No stick? Ford is not on my shopping list either... The Cad CTS-V 6 speed seems nice but strikes me as very overpriced. -- Cheers, Carl Prochilo 92 Ultra Red Crimson On Tue, June 14, 2005 8:39 am, Donald Mallinson said: > Right now I have a 300C Hemi because I wanted room, power and > RWD, and Ford doesn't make such an animal so far.