[Shotimes] SHO will not start

[Rick Glass]

Ok, I'm a bit late jumping on this one, but maybe....just maybe the timing 
belt has broken (happened to my '93).
Pull the upper timing cover, I can't remember all the details for doing 
this, but I recall it being very easy, and it will be quite obvious if you 
can't see the belt.

Rick Glass
        '99 SF  78k
         Flowmasters
         Kirk'd

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "Zach Leahy" <leahyz@gmail.com>
To: <MonsieurBoo@aol.com>
Cc: <shotimes@autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, September 16, 2005 9:21 AM
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] SHO will not start


> Agreed, Justin just demonstrated thinking logically. Sounds like the ford
> dealer mentioned is not doing that. I would think about taking the car
> elswhere and telling the dealer to shove it. Sounds like they are just
> guessing and throwing parts at it.
> Think about it, there are 4 items to make a car run, and one of them is
> missing.
> 1: Fuel
> 2: Spark
> 3: Compression
> 4: Timing it all together
> (getting air in is usually not an issue for it running - but may be an 
> issue
> for it running rouh or not as well as we would all like)
> So I am with Justin, step one check that there is fuel in the rails and 
> you
> hear the pump prime. If it does not. Stop there and figure out why. If it
> does go to number 2.
> Check for spark. There's a lot of ways to do it, justin's suggestion of a
> timing light is a good one, especially in a SHO. You could also pull a 
> wire
> and stick a plug in it, ground it, and crank the motor. If there is spark,
> then move to step three.
> Step 3 is a long shot with most modern cars, and generally is not going to
> keep an engine from running. I have however had one SHO not run becasue 
> the
> valve adjustment was way out of whack (machine shop screwed up the valve
> grind). No compression, no run. But you can _hear_ an engine with no
> compression.
> Step 4 is timing, likely if you have not tried to put on a timing belt, 
> and
> it's not broken, all is fine. Exception to this would be if you are 
> getting
> crank cancer, but that generally will not casue the car not to run at all,
> it just won't run really well.
> So start there, figure out which one of the 4 things you are missing and
> then start moving into the details.
> Oh, and one tip from Zach: Never ever ever put an alarm system in a car.
> and if you DO put one in. SOLDER ALL THE OCNNECTIONS! I don't know how 
> many
> cars I have seen with an aftermarket alarm that won't run becasue the
> connections fell apart or the wiring was done poorly. Here's a tip: just
> don't put one in your car, no one is gonna care if it goes off anyway, 
> they
> are just going to be pissed about it caus eit's annoying. Likely if 
> someones
> alarm was going off because smoeone was really trying to steal the car or
> break into it, I would ignore the alarm anyway and not even bother to 
> think
> about it. (Did I mention I HATE car alarms?)
> Z
> Z
>
> On 9/15/05, MonsieurBoo@aol.com <MonsieurBoo@aol.com> wrote:
>>
>> I really love the "Justin" style of checking this stuff. Irrespective of
>> what the codes may or may not show, ya just can't go wrong by verifying
>> there
>> is physically gas in the rails and physically high voltage in the spark
>> wires.
>> Once you've got that, then it's time to focus on anything computeroid.
>>
>> On the one hand I wonder if today's crop of mechanics instinctively goes
>> to
>> test the physical stuff first -- or just grabs right for the code reader.
>> But on the other hand I've watched the kids at a couple of those
>> mechanics'
>> olympics where they break five or ten things on each car and the kids 
>> race
>> to
>> see who can fix 'em the fastest. It's pretty amazing how they dive in and
>> get
>> things working so quick. Good training for doing things on the book rate,
>> obviously! (At least the "quick" part, if not always the "working")
>>
>> Cheers,
>> Mark LaBarre
>> 94 atx 130k
>>
>> ====================
>> I've been informed that the crank sensor was ruled out just today. Next
>> thing is to take off the Alpine security system (installed by a 3rd
>> party before I owned it).
>>
>> -- Ed
>>
>>
>>
>> Does the fuel pump prime the system when the key is turned to the ON
>> position, prior to going to START? You should hear it run for a couple of
>> seconds.
>> You can put a pressure gauge on the schrader valve, or just push it in
>> with
>> your finger to verify the rail is being pressurized.
>>
>> Are you getting any spark at all? A good way to check is to just put a
>> timing light on each plug wire and turn it over. If it blinks, you've got
>> spark.
>>
>> -- Justin
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