[Shotimes] Re: West Coast Monsoons....

[Hartberger, Jason M. AT2 (AW)]

Heh, that would be hilarious! If there ever was a plane not designed to
work under 10,000 feet, the bear is it! Big, long, straight, and really
inflexible (like the Russians themselves!) wings make for a really bad
water bomber. But like Kerby said, good show. At least the 747's wings
can flex, what, like 26 feet in either direction (?) before they snap. I
agree, the Globemaster (C-17) would be a much better choice. They could
rename it the Glubmaster. The good ol' Hercules wouldn't be that bad
either. It'd be one more thing it could do...

Still stuck out here in the damn Persian! We have a bunch of POS S-3s
they could use; they sure as **** aren't doing any good out here.
ISAR-breaking assholes....

V/R
AT2(AW) Hartberger, Jason M.
DX Production Supervisor
USS Theodore Roosevelt CVN-71
AIMD/IM-3/Shops 8&10
01-54-0-Q/j-7877

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[mailto:shotimes-admin@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of G Kerby Haltom
Sent: Wednesday, January 04, 2006 3:28 PM
To: MonsieurBoo@aol.com; shotimes@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Shotimes] Re: West Coast Monsoons....

The C-17 would probably be the logical choice, which means that it will
never happen...
  
  That company chose the 747 because there are several parked out at
Palmdale that are brand new, never been put into service, but are 10
years out of date and available rather cheaply.  I'm not sure if a  new
747 being used for something other than it was designed for is  better,
or a 50 year old, worn out plane being used for something it  wasn't
designed for.  Might actually be a toss up, which is why  the FAA is
looking at the 747 rather closely.  Having that much  water available at
one time would sure be a big help.  Maybe the  Russians would sell up
some late model Bear bombers.  If nothing  else it would be fun to
watch...
  
  Kerby

MonsieurBoo@aol.com wrote:  It wrenches my heart to see them bust up
those Starships.  Canards  are the 
coolest, from Rutan's Voyager right on down to the old Pterodactyl and  
Goldwing ultralites.  
 
You pretty near homed in on a good solution for the next generation of  
tankers, I'm referring to the C-17.  True it has only half the payload
of  the 747. 
 That's still a heck of a lot more than those wore-out old  Orions can
hoist. 
 And it has gread short/unimproved field capability  as well as short
wings.  
Plus it was designed as a bulk cargo carrier from  the git go.  
 
On top of everything else Boeing needs some orders to keep the 17's
assembly 
line open.  The only thing it lacks is a SHO engine on each wing
driving a 
pusher prop to give 'er more oomph, but I'm sure we can help with that  
critical enhancement.
 
Cheers
Mark LaBarre
94 atx 135k
 
================
 
"Actually, a company in Arizona, that's been dismantling my beloved  
Beechcraft Starships, has built a 747-based tanker...Their 747-tanker
can carry  
24,000 gallons water/retardant, while quad-turboprop P-3 Orion, the
largest  tanker 
in service, can only carry 3,000 gallons.  (a C-5 based tanker could
carry 
30,000 gallons of water)

"Current tankers drop their load in one  pass, but this 747 is able to
do 
segmented drops.  Current tankers fly  about 200ft above the fire, this
747 will 
fly at around 600ft.

"Large  aircraft (like the 747 and C-5) have big wings, and big wings
will 
get hit with  alot of rising hot air from the fire below.  That will
make for 
one  seriously bumpy/turbulent ride.  The 747 and C-5 were designed for

high-altitude cruising with occasional light/moderate turbulence, not
low-altitude 
flying with massive turbulence on every  flight.



The other issue is turnaround time.  The 747 needs an airport with a
long 
runway.  After it dumps its load it must fly to a big airport - that
takes 
time..."
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