From weslake1330 at gmail.com Tue Apr 8 23:33:21 2025 From: weslake1330 at gmail.com (Weslake1330) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 06:33:21 +0100 Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard Message-ID: Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard and yesterday I was that fool. While I have several angle grinders, I need one more before I no longer have to change the occasional disc from one type to another. The usual dilemma is which grinder to change the disc on so that half an hour later I?m not changing it back again. I?d had a fairly well used hard disc on one grinder and had removed the guard to get into a tight spot while working on the Sprite?s floor pan replacement. I was now replacing the garage roof and needed a thin cutting disc to cut through some old J bolts and other fixings and fitted a full-size brand-new thin cutting disc. It wasn?t long before I cut through my glove and into my finger. The cut isn?t very deep and I guess the gloves helped. Of course, I didn?t immediately put the guard back on it and had to have a near miss before I did. I realised at that point it might not have had the accident if I?d used a smaller disc. So, I?m sharing my stupidity in the hope others won?t be the fool, albeit a ?lucky? fool that I was yesterday and use a angle grinder without the guard. Daniel the sometime fool -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Wed Apr 9 00:07:16 2025 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (David Woerpel) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 01:07:16 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thank you Daniel and so glad all ended so well, could have been much worse, says I who almost lost a thumb to a vintage table saw (read, no guard or anti-kick up device). I remember the thought process. "This could go badly but it'll just take a second, I'm almost finished" and WHAM! When you hear that little voice in your head telling you to back off...do so. Regards, Dave W. Foolish more than once '59 :() '59 MGA 1500 "Pay It Forward" On Wed, Apr 9, 2025, 12:39?AM Weslake1330 via Spridgets < spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard and yesterday I was that > fool. > While I have several angle grinders, I need one more before I no longer > have to change the occasional disc from one type to another. The usual > dilemma is which grinder to change the disc on so that half an hour later > I?m not changing it back again. I?d had a fairly well used hard disc on > one grinder and had removed the guard to get into a tight spot while > working on the Sprite?s floor pan replacement. I was now replacing the > garage roof and needed a thin cutting disc to cut through some old J bolts > and other fixings and fitted a full-size brand-new thin cutting disc. It > wasn?t long before I cut through my glove and into my finger. The cut > isn?t very deep and I guess the gloves helped. Of course, I didn?t > immediately put the guard back on it and had to have a near miss before I > did. I realised at that point it might not have had the accident if I?d > used a smaller disc. So, I?m sharing my stupidity in the hope others won?t > be the fool, albeit a ?lucky? fool that I was yesterday and use a angle > grinder without the guard. > > Daniel the sometime fool > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dtwoerpel at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grday at btinternet.com Wed Apr 9 03:02:34 2025 From: grday at btinternet.com (GUY DAY) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 10:02:34 +0100 (BST) Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <29d60418.73f.19619c9716f.Webtop.250@btinternet.com> My tale of woe from angle grinder use is when at the bench and not noting the direction and distance the sparks were going. ?Straight back towards me, stood in one spot next to the bench and wearing nylon/cotton overall's. ?The upshot was that I set myself on fire. ?Concentrating on the workpiece and with warmth from my stomach area only slowly getting greater, my first distraction was smoke rising and masking my vision of the work detail. ?I looked for the cause and saw clothing in the area round my belly button on fire. ?No room on the bench to throw a quickly turned off grinder that was still rotating so I held onto that with one hand and used my welding gloves encased left hand to pat my stomach. ?By now I was in full panic mode and found myself trying to use my right hand to put out the flames and pat the burning area with the still rotating disc on the grinder. ?Thankfully I was able to resist that after a very close encounter and the flames went out either because their feeding source had ended or the glove patting worked - or both. ?I wasn't burnt, clothing under my overalls saved me from that and even though it happened decades ago it was a lesson still remembered. ? Best wishes to all ? Guy R Day? ? ? ? ? ------ Original Message ------ From: spridgets at autox.team.net To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 9th 2025, 06:39 Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard ? Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard and yesterday I was that fool. While I have several angle grinders, I need one more before I no longer have to change the occasional disc from one type to another.? The usual dilemma is which grinder to change the disc on so that half an hour later I?m not changing it back again.? I?d had a fairly well used hard disc on one grinder and had removed the guard to get into a tight spot while working on the Sprite?s floor pan replacement.? I was now replacing the garage roof and needed a thin cutting disc to cut through some old J bolts and other fixings and fitted a full-size brand-new thin cutting disc. It wasn?t long before I cut through my glove and into my finger.? The cut isn?t very deep and I guess the gloves helped.? Of course, I didn?t immediately put the guard back on it and had to have a near miss before I did.? I realised at that point it might not have had the accident if I?d used a smaller disc.? So, I?m sharing my stupidity in the hope others won?t be the fool, albeit a ?lucky? fool that I was yesterday and use a angle grinder without the guard. ? ? Daniel the sometime fool ------------------------ spridgets at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation: $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets ? http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/grday at btinternet.com ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From crusaderchuck55 at aol.com Wed Apr 9 09:58:30 2025 From: crusaderchuck55 at aol.com (AOL Mail Update (Terms & Policy)) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 15:58:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard In-Reply-To: <29d60418.73f.19619c9716f.Webtop.250@btinternet.com> References: <29d60418.73f.19619c9716f.Webtop.250@btinternet.com> Message-ID: <1941265390.3579638.1744214310496@mail.yahoo.com> I think it was Richard Pryor who stated something about fire being very inspirational?Learned my "fire" lesson from using the removed carpet from the Jaguar showroom remodeling at work , in my garage to end working on the cold concrete floor!? One hot welding spark and I never welded without an extinguisher after that point.? Although I must say , having a carpeted garage was pretty nice.? The showroom carpet was a very low pile so my jack rolled effortlessly as did my creeper.? ?ChuckBeen there , broke that....fixed that...broke it again....and fixed it again!? ? On Wednesday, April 9, 2025 at 05:10:53 AM EDT, GUY DAY via Spridgets wrote: My tale of woe from angle grinder use is when at the bench and not noting the direction and distance the sparks were going. ?Straight back towards me, stood in one spot next to the bench and wearing nylon/cotton overall's. ?The upshot was that I set myself on fire. ?Concentrating on the workpiece and with warmth from my stomach area only slowly getting greater, my first distraction was smoke rising and masking my vision of the work detail. ?I looked for the cause and saw clothing in the area round my belly button on fire. ?No room on the bench to throw a quickly turned off grinder that was still rotating so I held onto that with one hand and used my welding gloves encased left hand to pat my stomach. ?By now I was in full panic mode and found myself trying to use my right hand to put out the flames and pat the burning area with the still rotating disc on the grinder. ?Thankfully I was able to resist that after a very close encounter and the flames went out either because their feeding source had ended or the glove patting worked - or both. ?I wasn't burnt, clothing under my overalls saved me from that and even though it happened decades ago it was a lesson still remembered. ? Best wishes to all ? Guy R Day? ? ? ? ? ------ Original Message ------ From: spridgets at autox.team.net To: spridgets at autox.team.net Sent: Wednesday, April 9th 2025, 06:39 Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard ? Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard and yesterday I was that fool. While I have several angle grinders, I need one more before I no longer have to change the occasional disc from one type to another.? The usual dilemma is which grinder to change the disc on so that half an hour later I?m not changing it back again.? I?d had a fairly well used hard disc on one grinder and had removed the guard to get into a tight spot while working on the Sprite?s floor pan replacement.? I was now replacing the garage roof and needed a thin cutting disc to cut through some old J bolts and other fixings and fitted a full-size brand-new thin cutting disc. It wasn?t long before I cut through my glove and into my finger.? The cut isn?t very deep and I guess the gloves helped.? Of course, I didn?t immediately put the guard back on it and had to have a near miss before I did.? I realised at that point it might not have had the accident if I?d used a smaller disc.? So, I?m sharing my stupidity in the hope others won?t be the fool, albeit a ?lucky? fool that I was yesterday and use a angle grinder without the guard. ? ?Daniel the sometime fool ------------------------ spridgets at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation: $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets? http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/grday at btinternet.com ? ------------------------ spridgets at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Suggested annual donation: $12.75 Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets? http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/crusaderchuck55 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From oldsaabguy at comcast.net Wed Apr 9 14:55:56 2025 From: oldsaabguy at comcast.net (JMFangio) Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 15:55:56 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard In-Reply-To: <29d60418.73f.19619c9716f.Webtop.250@btinternet.com> References: <29d60418.73f.19619c9716f.Webtop.250@btinternet.com> Message-ID: Similar even but welding. Spatter going off in various directions, smelled smoke, flipped up mask to find my overalls on fire. Now I wear a fire resistant garment when welding. Lester > On Apr 9, 2025, at 4:02 AM, GUY DAY via Spridgets wrote: > > My tale of woe from angle grinder use is when at the bench and not noting the direction and distance the sparks were going. Straight back towards me, stood in one spot next to the bench and wearing nylon/cotton overall's. The upshot was that I set myself on fire. Concentrating on the workpiece and with warmth from my stomach area only slowly getting greater, my first distraction was smoke rising and masking my vision of the work detail. I looked for the cause and saw clothing in the area round my belly button on fire. No room on the bench to throw a quickly turned off grinder that was still rotating so I held onto that with one hand and used my welding gloves encased left hand to pat my stomach. By now I was in full panic mode and found myself trying to use my right hand to put out the flames and pat the burning area with the still rotating disc on the grinder. Thankfully I was able to resist that after a very close encounter and the flames went out either because their feeding source had ended or the glove patting worked - or both. I wasn't burnt, clothing under my overalls saved me from that and even though it happened decades ago it was a lesson still remembered. > > > Best wishes to all > > > Guy R Day > > > > > > ------ Original Message ------ > From: spridgets at autox.team.net > To: spridgets at autox.team.net > Sent: Wednesday, April 9th 2025, 06:39 > Subject: [Spridgets] Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard > > > Only a fool uses an angle grinder without a guard and yesterday I was that fool. > While I have several angle grinders, I need one more before I no longer have to change the occasional disc from one type to another. The usual dilemma is which grinder to change the disc on so that half an hour later I?m not changing it back again. I?d had a fairly well used hard disc on one grinder and had removed the guard to get into a tight spot while working on the Sprite?s floor pan replacement. I was now replacing the garage roof and needed a thin cutting disc to cut through some old J bolts and other fixings and fitted a full-size brand-new thin cutting disc. It wasn?t long before I cut through my glove and into my finger. The cut isn?t very deep and I guess the gloves helped. Of course, I didn?t immediately put the guard back on it and had to have a near miss before I did. I realised at that point it might not have had the accident if I?d used a smaller disc. So, I?m sharing my stupidity in the hope others won?t be the fool, albeit a ?lucky? fool that I was yesterday and use a angle grinder without the guard. > > > > Daniel the sometime fool > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/grday at btinternet.com > > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/oldsaabguy at comcast.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refisk at chartermi.net Fri Apr 11 14:56:08 2025 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:56:08 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Frank Clarici III Message-ID: <443FDD20-18DF-483A-B4DA-7F5153812909@chartermi.net> ?I wonder if Frank is looking down and laughing at all of us flailing around. :-) From mark at bradakis.com Fri Apr 11 16:26:09 2025 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis) Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:26:09 -0600 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy Birthday! Message-ID: On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain. 34 years ago, how time flies! Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars. My, things have changed. At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think, stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey, etc lists. And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and Bricklin and ... you get the idea. While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the early days, there are still just over 30 lists. About half a dozen of these see daily, or almost daily, traffic. Some see hardly any use at all. Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand messages in August, leading up to the Nationals. I think the one and only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team Net. Lost track of how many stickers I sold. Still have a few somewhere in my office. As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line, with a 120 MHz processor. Attached is the label for that box. Cost me $2,500. See the photo for the specs :-) Actually, it didn't cost ME much money. Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser. Back then, having an internet connection at home was not cheap. I think I raised like $3,000 which got us started down this trail. Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a thing of the past. When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often! Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort. Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on. All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. That was nice. And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able. Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net! mjb. -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Then I sent my much honed original Lockheed cyls. out to be resleeved. In Remembrance of Frank and Paul, Dave W '59 :{) '59 MGA 1500 "Pay It Forward" On 4/11/2025 3:56 PM, Rick Fisk via Spridgets wrote: > ?I wonder if Frank is looking down and laughing at all of us flailing around. :-) > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dtwoerpel at gmail.com From refisk at chartermi.net Tue Apr 15 20:17:51 2025 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk) Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 22:17:51 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Happy Birthday! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2EF02AE6-B3EB-44C5-8691-ACB7DA5A1785@chartermi.net> Mark, 34 years is incredible! Thank you! This list and the people on it have meant a bunch to me over the years. I just wish the list was more active these days. Faceplant is a joke. The car forums I frequent are fine and enjoyable, but don't have the feeling of community like the list used to have. Guess we're getting old and too busy with other things. > On Apr 11, 2025, at 10:54?PM, Mark Bradakis via Spridgets wrote: > > ?On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain. 34 years ago, how time flies! Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars. My, things have changed. At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think, stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey, etc lists. And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and Bricklin and ... you get the idea. > > While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the early days, there are still just over 30 lists. About half a dozen of these see daily, or almost daily, traffic. Some see hardly any use at all. Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand messages in August, leading up to the Nationals. I think the one and only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team Net. Lost track of how many stickers I sold. Still have a few somewhere in my office. > > As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line, with a 120 MHz processor. Attached is the label for that box. Cost me $2,500. See the photo for the specs :-) Actually, it didn't cost ME much money. Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser. Back then, having an internet connection at home was not cheap. I think I raised like $3,000 which got us started down this trail. > > Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a thing of the past. When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often! > > Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort. Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on. All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of Fame. That was nice. > > And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able. > > Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net! > > mjb. > <20250411_131842.jpg> > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net From pvanwig at mac.com Wed Apr 16 11:55:07 2025 From: pvanwig at mac.com (Paul Van Wig) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 10:55:07 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Fusible Link Message-ID: <3897F3F3-E8FA-4980-B539-79CEBF526ECF@mac.com> I?m thinking about an overall fuse or circuit breaker to protect the wiring harness. But the question is how many amps? Paul Van Wig Big Bear/Lakewood, CA ? 1959 Nash Metropolitan "Tiffany" (the wife's fun ride) w/63MGB motor 1960 Bug Eye ?Frogari? 1310cc,Kent 286 cam, Webber 45, Datsun 5 speed,4 wheel disc brakes 1968 Morris Minor Woody RHD "Thomas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: PastedGraphic-1.tiff Type: image/tiff Size: 320058 bytes Desc: not available URL: From mbalsup at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 14:23:41 2025 From: mbalsup at gmail.com (Michael Alsup) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 15:23:41 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fusible Link In-Reply-To: <3897F3F3-E8FA-4980-B539-79CEBF526ECF@mac.com> References: <3897F3F3-E8FA-4980-B539-79CEBF526ECF@mac.com> Message-ID: Paul, I have a close friend who is a retired electrical engineer If you don't get an adequate response let me know. I'm willing to ask my guy to help. On Wed, Apr 16, 2025, 1:04 PM Paul Van Wig via Spridgets < spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > I?m thinking about an overall fuse or circuit breaker to protect the > wiring harness. But the question is how many amps? > > > Paul Van Wig > Big Bear/Lakewood, CA > > [image: PastedGraphic-1.tiff] > > *1959 Nash Metropolitan "Tiffany" (the wife's fun ride) w/63MGB motor* > *1960 Bug Eye ?Frogari? **1310cc,Kent 286 cam, Webber 45, Datsun 5 > speed,4 wheel disc brakes* > *1968 Morris Minor Woody RHD "Thomas"* > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/mbalsup at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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But that's just me. :-) > On Apr 16, 2025, at 2:05?PM, Paul Van Wig via Spridgets wrote: > > ?I?m thinking about an overall fuse or circuit breaker to protect the wiring harness. But the question is how many amps? > > > Paul Van Wig > Big Bear/Lakewood, CA > > > > > 1959 Nash Metropolitan "Tiffany" (the wife's fun ride) w/63MGB motor > 1960 Bug Eye ?Frogari? 1310cc,Kent 286 cam, Webber 45, Datsun 5 speed,4 wheel disc brakes > 1968 Morris Minor Woody RHD "Thomas" > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jorkin at emory.edu Wed Apr 16 15:11:04 2025 From: jorkin at emory.edu (Orkin, Jack L) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 21:11:04 +0000 Subject: [Spridgets] circuit breaker Message-ID: [Attachment thumbnail] Paul, I was thinking about the same thing. I bought a large circuit breaker a while ago but never did anything with it because I didn't know where to put it or if it was even needed with all the existing fuses. I wonder where a high amperage short could happen that would not be handled by the fuses? Between the alternator and battery? Or, battery and fuse block? I've only seen something like this on one LBC so I guess not too many people are concerned about it! Breaker shown is a 100 A, Napa/Buss 782-3114 After seeing Rick's post, maybe 100A is overkill? Jack ________________________________ From: Spridgets on behalf of Paul Van Wig via Spridgets Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 1:55 PM To: Spridgets Subject: [External] [Spridgets] Fusible Link I?m thinking about an overall fuse or circuit breaker to protect the wiring harness. But the question is how many amps? Paul Van Wig Big Bear/Lakewood, CA ? 1959 Nash Metropolitan "Tiffany" (the wife's fun ride) w/63MGB motor 1960 Bug Eye ?Frogari? 1310cc,Kent 286 cam, Webber 45, Datsun 5 speed,4 wheel disc brakes 1968 Morris Minor Woody RHD "Thomas" -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From refisk at chartermi.net Wed Apr 16 15:56:14 2025 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 17:56:14 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] circuit breaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Jack, I was doing some simple adding in my head when I came up with the 30A number. The unfused standard headlamps are about 4-5 amps each, the parking lamps are probably another 2-3 amps. I know from personal experience that you can safely replace the British 35A fuses with American 15A fuses and they don't blow. Maybe a better way to go would be to fuse the unfused circuits. Rick > On Apr 16, 2025, at 5:13?PM, Orkin, Jack L via Spridgets wrote: > > ? > > > Paul, I was thinking about the same thing. I bought a large circuit breaker a while ago but never did anything with it because I didn't know where to put it or if it was even needed with all the existing fuses. I wonder where a high amperage short could happen that would not be handled by the fuses? Between the alternator and battery? Or, battery and fuse block? I've only seen something like this on one LBC so I guess not too many people are concerned about it! Breaker shown is a 100 A, Napa/Buss 782-3114 > > After seeing Rick's post, maybe 100A is overkill? > > Jack > From: Spridgets on behalf of Paul Van Wig via Spridgets > Sent: Wednesday, April 16, 2025 1:55 PM > To: Spridgets > Subject: [External] [Spridgets] Fusible Link > > I?m thinking about an overall fuse or circuit breaker to protect the wiring harness. But the question is how many amps? > > > Paul Van Wig > Big Bear/Lakewood, CA > > ? > > > 1959 Nash Metropolitan "Tiffany" (the wife's fun ride) w/63MGB motor > 1960 Bug Eye ?Frogari? 1310cc,Kent 286 cam, Webber 45, Datsun 5 speed,4 wheel disc brakes > 1968 Morris Minor Woody RHD "Thomas" > > > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From Zormecteon at comcast.net Wed Apr 16 18:19:52 2025 From: Zormecteon at comcast.net (Bill L.) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 17:19:52 -0700 Subject: [Spridgets] Fusible Link In-Reply-To: <3897F3F3-E8FA-4980-B539-79CEBF526ECF@mac.com> References: <3897F3F3-E8FA-4980-B539-79CEBF526ECF@mac.com> Message-ID: <1355059782.20250416171952@comcast.net> Hello Paul, There's something about the ratings of those old British fuses that's odd. They are IIRC slow blow so not rated as we would normally think them. I know BugEyeGuy sells a dummy regulator )for use with a GENERNATOR with a 50A fuse link. I have one. .. On the other hand fuses are to protect the wires, not the devices that utilize the power. So what is the size (and thus the amperage rating of the wiring? I think that largest other than the starter is 14, (15A capacity in house wiring) but even if it's 12 that's still only 20A. .. On the other hand the starter is wired with #4. That's 100A house wiring and a typical starter in an MGB (from my quick research) is over 250A. All that taken into account, I think BugEyeGuy has it correct and the 50A fuse link has never cause me any problem. (here's where I mention that I put my STEBEL horn on it's own fuse as it draws 18A. 125db IIRC. -- Best regards, Bill mailto:Zormecteon at comcast.net Let's see your tagline hunting permit, sir. From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 18:27:19 2025 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (David Woerpel) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 19:27:19 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] circuit breaker In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If my old memory recalls correctly out British fuses are rated differently from U.S. fuses. British fuses are rated at 35A. That's the blow rating. They will carry ~17A I believe. U.S. fuses are rated by the current they will carry. I recall something about "slow" blow vs ""fast" blow but don't remember how that fits the equation. Can someone verify the horn fuses is 50A? That's what I have and the 2nd fuses is 35A. Both are Lucas. Hey, it's what we did before relays came along. Dave W 59 :() 59 MGA 1500 "Pay It Forward" On Wed, Apr 16, 2025, 5:02?PM Rick Fisk via Spridgets < spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > Jack, > > I was doing some simple adding in my head when I came up with the 30A > number. The unfused standard headlamps are about 4-5 amps each, the > parking lamps are probably another 2-3 amps. I know from personal > experience that you can safely replace the British 35A fuses with American > 15A fuses and they don't blow. > > Maybe a better way to go would be to fuse the unfused circuits. > > Rick > > > > On Apr 16, 2025, at 5:13?PM, Orkin, Jack L via Spridgets < > spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > > ? > > [image: Attachment thumbnail] > Paul, I was thinking about the same thing. I bought a large circuit > breaker a while ago but never did anything with it because I didn't know > where to put it or if it was even needed with all the existing fuses. I > wonder where a high amperage short could happen that would not be handled > by the fuses? Between the alternator and battery? Or, battery and fuse > block? I've only seen something like this on one LBC so I guess not too > many people are concerned about it! Breaker shown is a 100 A, Napa/Buss > 782-3114 > > After seeing Rick's post, maybe 100A is overkill? > > Jack > ------------------------------ > *From:* Spridgets on behalf of Paul > Van Wig via Spridgets > *Sent:* Wednesday, April 16, 2025 1:55 PM > *To:* Spridgets > *Subject:* [External] [Spridgets] Fusible Link > > I?m thinking about an overall fuse or circuit breaker to protect the > wiring harness. But the question is how many amps? > > > Paul Van Wig > Big Bear/Lakewood, CA > > ? > > > *1959 Nash Metropolitan "Tiffany" (the wife's fun ride) w/63MGB motor* > *1960 Bug Eye ?Frogari? 1310cc,Kent 286 cam, Webber 45, Datsun 5 speed,4 > wheel disc brakes* > *1968 Morris Minor Woody RHD "Thomas"* > > > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/dtwoerpel at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtwoerpel at gmail.com Wed Apr 16 19:22:06 2025 From: dtwoerpel at gmail.com (David Woerpel) Date: Wed, 16 Apr 2025 20:22:06 -0500 Subject: [Spridgets] Fusible Link In-Reply-To: <1355059782.20250416171952@comcast.net> References: <3897F3F3-E8FA-4980-B539-79CEBF526ECF@mac.com> <1355059782.20250416171952@comcast.net> Message-ID: <97eb8945-e98d-499d-9370-2d9acbdf7601@gmail.com> As an addendum to my earlier post I found this on "Experience" https://www.ahexp.com/forum/the-sprite-forum.6/size-of-fuses-58-bugeye.229621/ Dave W '59 :{) '59 MGA 1500 "Pay It Forward" On 4/16/2025 7:19 PM, Bill L. via Spridgets wrote: > Hello Paul, > > > There's something about the ratings of those old British fuses that's odd. They are IIRC slow blow so not rated as we would normally think them. > > I know BugEyeGuy sells a dummy regulator )for use with a GENERNATOR with a 50A fuse link. I have one. .. On the other hand fuses are to protect the wires, not the devices that utilize the power. So what is the size (and thus the amperage rating of the wiring? I think that largest other than the starter is 14, (15A capacity in house wiring) but even if it's 12 that's still only 20A. .. On the other hand the starter is wired with #4. That's 100A house wiring and a typical starter in an MGB (from my quick research) is over 250A. > > All that taken into account, I think BugEyeGuy has it correct and the 50A fuse link has never cause me any problem. > > (here's where I mention that I put my STEBEL horn on it's own fuse as it draws 18A. 125db IIRC. > > > > From refisk at chartermi.net Thu Apr 17 06:26:30 2025 From: refisk at chartermi.net (Rick Fisk) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 08:26:30 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Fusible Link In-Reply-To: <97eb8945-e98d-499d-9370-2d9acbdf7601@gmail.com> References: <97eb8945-e98d-499d-9370-2d9acbdf7601@gmail.com> Message-ID: <0BFBC3E3-85E8-4B79-A890-7E2D819089E8@chartermi.net> Paul and all, I was thinking about this last night while trying to fall asleep and came up with a simple plan to determine how big of a fuse or breaker you will need. Remove the brown wire from the starter switch and install an inline fuse holder between the end of the wire and it's connection point on the starter switch. All current used to run everything electrical on a Bugeye (except for the starter motor) goes through this wire. Install a big fuse of your choice and turn everything on and see if the fuse holds. Turn the key to the "On" position and then turn on the highbeam headlights, turn signals, heater fan, wipers, step on the brake pedal, and then blow the horn. If the fuse is big enough it won't blow. You can experiment with bigger and smaller fuses until you find the load. When you find the fuse that blows go 20% bigger for a safety margin and you're good. :-) Rick > On Apr 16, 2025, at 9:23?PM, David Woerpel via Spridgets wrote: > > ?As an addendum to my earlier post I found this on "Experience" > > https://www.ahexp.com/forum/the-sprite-forum.6/size-of-fuses-58-bugeye.229621/ > > Dave W > > '59 :{) > '59 MGA 1500 > > "Pay It Forward" > > > > >> On 4/16/2025 7:19 PM, Bill L. via Spridgets wrote: >> Hello Paul, >> >> >> There's something about the ratings of those old British fuses that's odd. They are IIRC slow blow so not rated as we would normally think them. >> >> I know BugEyeGuy sells a dummy regulator )for use with a GENERNATOR with a 50A fuse link. I have one. .. On the other hand fuses are to protect the wires, not the devices that utilize the power. So what is the size (and thus the amperage rating of the wiring? I think that largest other than the starter is 14, (15A capacity in house wiring) but even if it's 12 that's still only 20A. .. On the other hand the starter is wired with #4. That's 100A house wiring and a typical starter in an MGB (from my quick research) is over 250A. >> >> All that taken into account, I think BugEyeGuy has it correct and the 50A fuse link has never cause me any problem. >> >> (here's where I mention that I put my STEBEL horn on it's own fuse as it draws 18A. 125db IIRC. >> >> >> >> > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net From trevorjessie at gmail.com Thu Apr 17 07:30:52 2025 From: trevorjessie at gmail.com (Trevor Jessie) Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 09:30:52 -0400 Subject: [Spridgets] Fusible Link In-Reply-To: <0BFBC3E3-85E8-4B79-A890-7E2D819089E8@chartermi.net> References: <97eb8945-e98d-499d-9370-2d9acbdf7601@gmail.com> <0BFBC3E3-85E8-4B79-A890-7E2D819089E8@chartermi.net> Message-ID: I'm late to this convo, sorry if this has already been suggested, but wouldn't an amp meter on the main feed answer the question. -Trevor On Thu, Apr 17, 2025, 8:37?AM Rick Fisk via Spridgets < spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > Paul and all, > > I was thinking about this last night while trying to fall asleep and came > up with a simple plan to determine how big of a fuse or breaker you will > need. Remove the brown wire from the starter switch and install an inline > fuse holder between the end of the wire and it's connection point on the > starter switch. All current used to run everything electrical on a Bugeye > (except for the starter motor) goes through this wire. Install a big fuse > of your choice and turn everything on and see if the fuse holds. Turn the > key to the "On" position and then turn on the highbeam headlights, turn > signals, heater fan, wipers, step on the brake pedal, and then blow the > horn. If the fuse is big enough it won't blow. You can experiment with > bigger and smaller fuses until you find the load. When you find the fuse > that blows go 20% bigger for a safety margin and you're good. :-) > > Rick > > > On Apr 16, 2025, at 9:23?PM, David Woerpel via Spridgets < > spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > ?As an addendum to my earlier post I found this on "Experience" > > > > > https://www.ahexp.com/forum/the-sprite-forum.6/size-of-fuses-58-bugeye.229621/ > > > > Dave W > > > > '59 :{) > > '59 MGA 1500 > > > > "Pay It Forward" > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/16/2025 7:19 PM, Bill L. via Spridgets wrote: > >> Hello Paul, > >> > >> > >> There's something about the ratings of those old British fuses that's > odd. They are IIRC slow blow so not rated as we would normally think them. > >> > >> I know BugEyeGuy sells a dummy regulator )for use with a GENERNATOR > with a 50A fuse link. I have one. .. On the other hand fuses are to protect > the wires, not the devices that utilize the power. So what is the size (and > thus the amperage rating of the wiring? I think that largest other than the > starter is 14, (15A capacity in house wiring) but even if it's 12 that's > still only 20A. .. On the other hand the starter is wired with #4. That's > 100A house wiring and a typical starter in an MGB (from my quick research) > is over 250A. > >> > >> All that taken into account, I think BugEyeGuy has it correct and the > 50A fuse link has never cause me any problem. > >> > >> (here's where I mention that I put my STEBEL horn on it's own fuse as > it draws 18A. 125db IIRC. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/trevor.jessie at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Remove the brown wire from the starter switch and install an inline > fuse holder between the end of the wire and it's connection point on the > starter switch. All current used to run everything electrical on a Bugeye > (except for the starter motor) goes through this wire. Install a big fuse > of your choice and turn everything on and see if the fuse holds. Turn the > key to the "On" position and then turn on the highbeam headlights, turn > signals, heater fan, wipers, step on the brake pedal, and then blow the > horn. If the fuse is big enough it won't blow. You can experiment with > bigger and smaller fuses until you find the load. When you find the fuse > that blows go 20% bigger for a safety margin and you're good. :-) > > Rick > > > On Apr 16, 2025, at 9:23?PM, David Woerpel via Spridgets < > spridgets at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > ?As an addendum to my earlier post I found this on "Experience" > > > > > https://www.ahexp.com/forum/the-sprite-forum.6/size-of-fuses-58-bugeye.229621/ > > > > Dave W > > > > '59 :{) > > '59 MGA 1500 > > > > "Pay It Forward" > > > > > > > > > >> On 4/16/2025 7:19 PM, Bill L. via Spridgets wrote: > >> Hello Paul, > >> > >> > >> There's something about the ratings of those old British fuses that's > odd. They are IIRC slow blow so not rated as we would normally think them. > >> > >> I know BugEyeGuy sells a dummy regulator )for use with a GENERNATOR > with a 50A fuse link. I have one. .. On the other hand fuses are to protect > the wires, not the devices that utilize the power. So what is the size (and > thus the amperage rating of the wiring? I think that largest other than the > starter is 14, (15A capacity in house wiring) but even if it's 12 that's > still only 20A. .. On the other hand the starter is wired with #4. That's > 100A house wiring and a typical starter in an MGB (from my quick research) > is over 250A. > >> > >> All that taken into account, I think BugEyeGuy has it correct and the > 50A fuse link has never cause me any problem. > >> > >> (here's where I mention that I put my STEBEL horn on it's own fuse as > it draws 18A. 125db IIRC. > >> > >> > >> > >> > > > > ------------------------ > > > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/refisk at chartermi.net > > ------------------------ > > spridgets at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Suggested annual donation: $12.75 > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/spridgets > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/spridgets/spridget at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have already planned relays to reduce the power at the ignition switch for the lights. I think I will fuse every circuit and slip the idea on a single protection point Once again, this old list has come through. Thanks again. I miss Frank Paul Van Wig Big Bear/Lakewood, CA https://www.youtube.com/user/pvanwig/videos ? 1959 Nash Metropolitan "Tiffany" (the wife's fun ride) w/63MGB motor 1960 Bugeye ?Frogari? 1968 Morris Minor Woody RHD ?Thomas" 2005 Jeep Lives @ 7440' 2012 Turbo Diesel Ram 2500 4X4 2019 Hyundai Kona Electric 2021 Jeep Gladiator (the wife's Mountain car) 2022 Hyundai Ioniq 5 (the wife's work ride) Does a golf cart count? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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