[Tigers] Fw: big valve 260

[Little Jimmy Dickens]

Guys,

Let me introduce myself....My name is Doug & I've only been a member (lurker 
here a few weeks).
I'm not (yet) a tiger owner but have owned my 64 Falcon sprint since Dec 
1976. It still has the orig 260 (30 over.
It was built April 64 if I remember. If any info off my heads or block helps 
let me know.

Regards,
Doug

----- Original Message ----- 
From: " Ron Fraser" <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
To: "'Thomas Witt'" <atwittsend at verizon.net>; <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 4:46 PM
Subject: Re: [Tigers] big valve 260


> Thanks Tom but don't expect a book.   I just hope that I can one day
> confirm the Ford part configuration for each engine group; that takes 
> about
> 3 pages right now.
>
> Ron Fraser
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: tigers-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt
> Sent: Monday, August 27, 2012 1:25 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] big valve 260
>
>
>>>> It would be great to confirm the Ford part configuration of all
>>>> these
>>>> engine groups but I believe that is just " Wishin' and Hopin' ".<<<
>
> I just want to encourage the list to relay any engine information you have
> to Ron.  For years he has been diligent to compile information that has 
> been
>
> brought forth. And, he has freely given back whatever he can offer when
> asked.  So, the next time you have a valve cover off or your starter out 
> it
> would be great to record the various engine core numbers and forward them 
> to
>
> him. Maybe he can ultimately generate a book titled...,  the "Core - Ron."
> :-)  It would be a great compliment to "The Book of Norman."
>
> Tom Witt
>
>
>> Jim
>>    I don't have an absolute answer for this.   I have one source that
>> indicates the C4OE-A heads were introduced in July - Aug 1963 for the 
>> 1964
>> Ford model year.   If this is the case all Tiger 260 engines could have
>> the
>> larger valves.
>>
>>    I have another source that indicates the C4OE-A heads were
>> introduced
>> in
>> Feb 1964.   This would mean that Tiger engine groups T15KL, E7KL and 
>> G13KA
>> could have the C3OE-B head with smaller valves.
>>
>>    I have very little information in my Original Tiger Engine Study on
>> these first 3 engine groups.  I have 1 entry for a G13KA engine; it
>> does have C4OE-A heads with a date code of 3M13 = Dec 13, 1963; this
>> would indicate that most or all of the G13KA engines have the C4OE-A
>> heads with larger valves.
>>
>>    I have no information about the T15KL engine.   I'm not sure that any
>> of
>> them have survived.   Some of the early stories and writings about the
>> Tiger
>> indicate that there were some early engine problems.   This leads me to
>> believe that maybe those engines had the C3OE-B heads with the smaller
>> valves or it is very possible that the English expected these Fords
>> engines to easily rev to 6000 RPM as was common with their engines;
>> the stock 260 engine would generally break at that RPM.
>>
>>    I also have no confirmed information about the E7KL engine group.    I
>> only have my theory of the part configuration.    If anyone has an
>> original
>> 260 from one of these 3 early engine groups I would be glad to hear
>> from you.  It would be great to confirm the Ford part configuration of
>> all these engine groups but I believe that is just " Wishin' and
>> Hopin' ".
>>
>>    Unfortunately the only way to see the casting number on the heads is 
>> to
>> remove it from the engine to see the number on the underside.   The date
>> code is cast into the head under the valve cover but without the
>> casting number it only give you the date.
>>
>> Ron Fraser
>>
>>
>>
>> Ron,
>>
>> You wrote;
>>
>> " ....... I know many people look at the 164 HP spec for the 260 and
>> immediately want to upgrade to the 289. The 164HP rating only applies
>> to the early 260 with small intake valves. The later 260 with larger
>> intake valves was never rated by Ford but I'm sure it is in the 185 HP
>> realm. Also Alex Gabbard build up a 260 with a stroker kit and a bunch
>> of other goodies
>> resulting in around 350 HP, not bad for a 260.
>>
>> Did all  Mk 1 Tigers have the big valve 260? If not, when is the break
>> point?
>>
>> Jim Armstrong
>> Mk 1A
>> 382002083
>> LRXFE
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