From jliny5 at cox.net Fri May 1 12:13:40 2020 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Fri, 1 May 2020 14:13:40 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Clocks In-Reply-To: <1544113759.146245.1588305783850@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1544113759.146245.1588305783850@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Brian Still interested to hear from Norm on what evidence led him to state in his book that the Mk1 Tiger clock was 3030/00. Also, I thought I saw in the replies to your first email, somebody posted a photo of a 3131/00 clock AND a 3131/01. The 00 model had the 3&9 horizontal, while on the 01 model they were vertical. It was my understanding this feature everybody agreed upon in distinguishing Mk1 from Mk1a/Mk2 clocks. Really looking forward to reading about what you finally determine. Jim Lindner Sent from my iPad > On May 1, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brian Glenn via Tigers wrote: > > ? > I mentioned earlier that I am preparing an article for CAT Tiger Tales regarding Tiger clocks and clock aperture motifs. > I have several preliminary conclusions that I wanted to run past the group before committing the findings to print. > > 1) There is no such animal as a Smiths 3030 clock. > I've been searching for anyone that can tell me different and/or show me an example. > > I've checked with the current owners of Smiths instruments and the folks at Nisonger. > Smiths tells me there is a gap in model numbers and picks up at 3100. > Nisonger referenced Smiths 3131/01 for all Tiger models. > > 2) A 1967 Nisonger catalog and the Tiger parts supplement both indicate a single model of clock for all Tiger models. > > Nisonger references Smiths 3131/01 and Rootes #1235813 which is not in either the Tiger or Alpine parts catalogs. > Rootes catalogs 6601131 and 6601334 both list a Tiger "clock kit" as Rootes #1229322. > > If there is a 3030 clock in your collection, please pass on a photo and any provenance information, e.g. it came with the car new, etc. > > Seems like this issue has remained unanswered for the last 50 years. > I'd like to put it to rest if possible, but want to get it right. > There's enough bad information out there already. > > Cheers, > Brian > > Brian Glenn > P.O. 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URL: From blance598 at gmail.com Mon May 4 09:41:34 2020 From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 11:41:34 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Led rail lights Message-ID: Does anyone have a recommendation on which bulbs are best for our Tigers rear taillights? Beau -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From tsmit at shaw.ca Mon May 4 09:52:35 2020 From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 09:52:35 -0600 (MDT) Subject: [Tigers] Led rail lights In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1558579327.102769958.1588607555405.JavaMail.zimbra@cds218.dcs.int.inet> I think Joe Parlanti has a LED light kit for all the bulbs on the Tiger and he is probably the best source for information if not the actual parts. Late last year, I bought four pairs of the LED rings pictured below but I still have to do something with them. 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I think I'll use this as a host for a Voltmeter conversion, since I'm not excited about all the power running through a gauge in the dash anyway. When the shunt opened, the car lost all power at 70 mph in the left lane of the freeway. No more engine, no more turn signals, brake lights, anything. Quite exciting. Has anyone converted one of these, or do you just buy an aftermarket voltmeter and install it. I kind of like the idea of it at least appearing factory. > > Steve > > From: Jay Laifman > > Sent: Thursday, April 30, 2020 8:08 AM > To: michael king > > Cc: steve wick >; Tiger Talk List Tiger > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Correct gauges > > Answered my own question: After WWI, the British subsidiary (British Jaeger) of Jaeger of Paris secured the manufacturing rights to the chronometric mechanism and manufactured these very reliable chronometric mechanisms at a factory at Willesden. In 1927 British Jaeger was purchased by Smiths Industries Limited. > > On Thu, Apr 30, 2020 at 7:45 AM michael king via Tigers > wrote: > All the standard spec gauges are british jaeger. The optional clock was smiths and the ammeter lucas. The lighter was a casco. > > On Fri., 1 May 2020, 00:15 steve wick via Tigers, > wrote: > I'm not even close to being the original owner of my Tiger. I bought it in 2000. My ammeter completely cooked and I'm considering a replacement or switching to a voltmeter. My question is, who was the original manufacturer of the gauges for an early MK1? The gauges in my dash are Jaeger, but I have some Lucas gauges in the spare parts that came with the car. I see lots of Lucas gauges on ebay, but not Jaeger. Thanks for any insight. > > Steve > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/tigers at embarqmail.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/dave.barakat at icloud.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Submission Subject: Re: [Tigers] Led rail lights I think Joe Parlanti has a LED light kit for all the bulbs on the Tiger and he is probably the best source for information if not the actual parts. Late last year, I bought four pairs of the LED rings pictured below but I still have to do something with them. Cheers, Theo On May 4, 2020, at 9:41 AM, Lance Beauchamp via Tigers > wrote: ? Does anyone have a recommendation on which bulbs are best for our Tigers rear taillights? Beau -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 3211 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On Fri, May 1, 2020 at 11:18 AM James Lindner via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Brian > > Still interested to hear from Norm on what evidence led him to state in > his book that the Mk1 Tiger clock was 3030/00. > > Also, I thought I saw in the replies to your first email, somebody posted > a photo of a 3131/00 clock AND a 3131/01. The 00 model had the 3&9 > horizontal, while on the 01 model they were vertical. It was my > understanding this feature everybody agreed upon in distinguishing Mk1 from > Mk1a/Mk2 clocks. > > Really looking forward to reading about what you finally determine. > > Jim Lindner > > Sent from my iPad > > On May 1, 2020, at 10:39 AM, Brian Glenn via Tigers > wrote: > > ? > I mentioned earlier that I am preparing an article for CAT Tiger Tales > regarding Tiger clocks and clock aperture motifs. > I have several preliminary conclusions that I wanted to run past the group > before committing the findings to print. > > 1) There is no such animal as a Smiths 3030 clock. > I've been searching for anyone that can tell me different and/or show me > an example. > > I've checked with the current owners of Smiths instruments and the folks > at Nisonger. > Smiths tells me there is a gap in model numbers and picks up at 3100. > Nisonger referenced Smiths 3131/01 for all Tiger models. > > 2) A 1967 Nisonger catalog and the Tiger parts supplement both indicate a > single model of clock for all Tiger models. > > Nisonger references Smiths 3131/01 and Rootes #1235813 which is not in > either the Tiger or Alpine parts catalogs. > Rootes catalogs 6601131 and 6601334 both list a Tiger "clock kit" as > Rootes #1229322. > > If there is a 3030 clock in your collection, please pass on a photo and > any provenance information, e.g. it came with the car new, etc. > > Seems like this issue has remained unanswered for the last 50 years. > I'd like to put it to rest if possible, but want to get it right. > There's enough bad information out there already. > > Cheers, > Brian > > Brian Glenn > P.O. Box 578 > Julian, CA 92036-0578 > 714.345.9883 > > B9470208LRXFE GT > B9471101LRXFE > B9472615LRXFE > B382000846LRXFE > B382001212LRXFE > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Mon May 4 15:20:49 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 14:20:49 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 Clock? Message-ID: Here is a Tiger with white hands. Obviously can't read the gauge number. But as I now understand it, both 3131/00 and 3131/01 were red hands, and 3030/00 is supposed to be white hands. https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1965-sunbeam-tiger-alpine-260-artist-unknown-135307228.html How many other old Tiger pictures show white hands? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1965-sunbeam-tiger-alpine-260-artist-unknown-135307228.html -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ora_archy at yahoo.com Mon May 4 15:41:49 2020 From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 21:41:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 Clock? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2016204805.813770.1588628509363@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks Jay,For my article, I classified clocks as 3131/00 (red hands, 3 & 9 horizontal, adjustments at 4 & 8 and Smiths logo below center), 3131/01 (red hands, 3 & 9 vertical, adjustments at 4 & 8 and Smiths logo above center), and Other Clocks that include a variety of Smiths clocks that either weren't the above or couldn't tell from the picture, as well as all other clocks. So, I don't know how many have clocks with white hands. I'm focusing the article on occurrence of motif type (gold or silver, unknown color) and clocks (as described above). I'll leave the nuance of clocks for another day. Thanks for your input,B Brian Glenn P.O. Box 578 Julian, CA 92036-0578 714.345.9883 B9470208LRXFE GT B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE On Monday, May 4, 2020, 02:21:37 PM PDT, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote: Here is a Tiger with white hands.? Obviously can't read the gauge number.? But as I now understand it, both 3131/00 and 3131/01 were red hands, and 3030/00 is supposed to be white hands.?? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1965-sunbeam-tiger-alpine-260-artist-unknown-135307228.html? How many other old Tiger pictures show white hands? https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1965-sunbeam-tiger-alpine-260-artist-unknown-135307228.html? _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ora_archy at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Mon May 4 15:56:18 2020 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Mon, 04 May 2020 17:56:18 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 Clock? In-Reply-To: Message-ID: The bezel doesn't match the other gauges.? The clock pictured came from another British car.Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Jay Laifman via Tigers Date: 5/4/20 5:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger's Den Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 Clock? Here is a Tiger with white hands.? Obviously can't read the gauge number.? But as I now understand it, both 3131/00 and 3131/01 were red hands, and 3030/00 is supposed to be white hands.??https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1965-sunbeam-tiger-alpine-260-artist-unknown-135307228.html?How many other old Tiger pictures show white hands?https://www.alamy.com/stock-photo-1965-sunbeam-tiger-alpine-260-artist-unknown-135307228.html? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rollright at aol.com Mon May 4 17:25:21 2020 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Mon, 4 May 2020 23:25:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] weakness References: <1366687501.849898.1588634721310.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1366687501.849898.1588634721310@mail.yahoo.com> Hello The cam drive gear on my engine (and yours) had nylon teeth that lost four teeth as I pulled quickly out of a stop-light. Timing chain skipped. On later Small Blocks, Fords dispensed with the nylon teeth (noise abatement) as they failed over time. Since the engine was way out of time, the result was a piston that came in contact with a valve, broke the valve,which rotated and split the piston, etc. I was fortunate in that I was able to save the block, crank, and both heads. Bottom line: if you haven't done so, change that verdamt cam gear and chain while you're at it. 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I'm wondering if he misread the numbers on the clock. Note that he says his 9 and 3 are laying down, and that they are red. https://www.sunbeamclub.com/forum/tigers-list-archive.14/sunbeam-clock.67756/ *The Sunbeam Tiger Mk I used Smiths CE 3030/00, which is in my car.* *The 3 and 9 are sideways, and the bottom timing adjust and time* *set are on the bottom sides, and the hands are red.* *[Smiths CE 3030/00 Picture]* *[Smiths CE 3131/01 Picture]* *In summary, the MkIA and MkII used Smiths CE 3131/01. The 3 and 9 are upright, and* *correct number for your car.* Brian Glenn is reporting that 3131/00 has red hands, and the belief is that 3030/00 has white hands. Assuming my dad could easily see that the arms were red, as he typed, that would suggest he actually had a 3131/00. This still doesn't mean that there is no 3030/00 - as Norman also wrote that the 3030/00 was used. Or that the earliest Tigers didn't come with white hands clocks. But it might just mean my dad misread the numbers on the gauge. Note that his email above went to *Tom Parker* and *Michael King* on August 5, 2020 (that was his birthday by the way). So they would have received the pictures that are omitted from that post. Do either of you guys still have that old email? Jay -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Tue May 5 17:30:21 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Tue, 5 May 2020 19:30:21 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] weakness In-Reply-To: <1366687501.849898.1588634721310@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1366687501.849898.1588634721310.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1366687501.849898.1588634721310@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <008501d62335$279ae5f0$76d0b1d0$@bluefrog.com> Jim is correct. Ford introduced the aluminum cam gear with nylon teeth in March 1965. It was prone to failure with high mileage or age. Most B19KC engines probably have the aluminum gear and all Mk II 289 engines do have the aluminum gear. Basically if your engine was assembled from March 1965, 5Cxx assembly date code stamped into the block, onward you have an aluminum cam gear. Most of the B19KC engines have a 5Kxx assembly date code so they have the aluminum gear. The Tiger 260 and 289 engines are a great touring car engine. If you want more than that you need to build an engine with your expectations in mind. You also need to understand that the Tiger Chassis and suspension is just barely adequate for the basic original Tiger engine. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers Sent: Monday, May 04, 2020 7:25 PM To: robertdhogan at gmail.com Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] weakness Hello The cam drive gear on my engine (and yours) had nylon teeth that lost four teeth as I pulled quickly out of a stop-light. Timing chain skipped. On later Small Blocks, Fords dispensed with the nylon teeth (noise abatement) as they failed over time. Since the engine was way out of time, the result was a piston that came in contact with a valve, broke the valve,which rotated and split the piston, etc. I was fortunate in that I was able to save the block, crank, and both heads. Bottom line: if you haven't done so, change that verdamt cam gear and chain while you're at it. Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Code 86 TAC #.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Tue May 5 19:17:44 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 6 May 2020 11:17:44 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] What my dad said about the Smiths 3030 Clock In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Jay, I had suggested Jim contact you due to my correspondence with Steve, the photo he sent was from the saoca site not from his car. In my backup hdds somewhere i am confident i have pictures of 2 of the mystery clocks.. Sadly those drives are a long way from my reach currently. I do not think early tigers used white hands as rootes had phased those out during series 3 production. If anyone has a copy of the alpine/tiger gold portfolio roadtest book handy look at the tiger road test articles. IIRC the early tiger usa test cars were black dash and blanking plates.. So probably need to look at the early UK tests. MK On Wed., 6 May 2020, 03:14 Jay Laifman via Tigers, wrote: > Here is a link to emails my dad sent about the 3030 clock. I'm wondering > if he misread the numbers on the clock. Note that he says his 9 and 3 are > laying down, and that they are red. > > > https://www.sunbeamclub.com/forum/tigers-list-archive.14/sunbeam-clock.67756/ > > > *The Sunbeam Tiger Mk I used Smiths CE 3030/00, which is in my car.* > > *The 3 and 9 are sideways, and the bottom timing adjust and time* > > *set are on the bottom sides, and the hands are red.* > > *[Smiths CE 3030/00 Picture]* > > *[Smiths CE 3131/01 Picture]* > > *In summary, the MkIA and MkII used Smiths CE 3131/01. The 3 and 9 are > upright, and* > > *correct number for your car.* > > > Brian Glenn is reporting that 3131/00 has red hands, and the belief is > that 3030/00 has white hands. Assuming my dad could easily see that the > arms were red, as he typed, that would suggest he actually had a 3131/00. > > This still doesn't mean that there is no 3030/00 - as Norman also wrote > that the 3030/00 was used. Or that the earliest Tigers didn't come with > white hands clocks. But it might just mean my dad misread the numbers on > the gauge. > > Note that his email above went to *Tom Parker* and *Michael King* on > August 5, 2020 (that was his birthday by the way). So they would have > received the pictures that are omitted from that post. Do either of you > guys still have that old email? > > Jay > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > suppose I could pry open the furflex trim but it just seems like that > might not work. > > Thanks, > Joe > > ---------- Forwarded message --------- > From: Joe Brown > Date: Tue, May 5, 2020, 11:54 AM > Subject: Furflex > To: Tigers Den > > > Hi, > > I am about to install the furflex trim around the door openings and I have > a question. One piece is just furflex and the other piece is furflex with > a rubber tube on one side. Does the piece with the rubber tube run down > from the windshield and the other piece go under the threshold trim? > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Negative earth Adjusters on the bottom. Smiths name on the bottom The SAOCA website was correct. Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? And where is my dad's 3030/00? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Smiths 3030 2.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 176207 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Smiths 3030.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 268990 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Mon May 11 16:27:30 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:27:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: > Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > Features noted: > orange arms. > 9 and 3 laying down. > Negative earth > Adjusters on the bottom. > Smiths name on the bottom > The SAOCA website was correct. > > Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > > And where is my dad's 3030/00? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Mon May 11 16:56:43 2020 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:56:43 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! In-Reply-To: Message-ID: Well I'll be, it does exist.??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Jay Laifman via Tigers Date: 5/11/20 6:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote:Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at island.net Mon May 11 17:20:37 2020 From: jim at island.net (Jim) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:20:37 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <70EEA16C-981F-4D6B-991A-00A8E0D5669C@island.net> The big question is...is it original ?? I know for a fact that a few years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought a CE.3030/00 should look like... Jim Sent from my ShoePhone > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote: > > ? > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > >> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! >> Features noted: >> orange arms. >> 9 and 3 laying down. >> Negative earth >> Adjusters on the bottom. >> Smiths name on the bottom >> The SAOCA website was correct. >> >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? >> >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Mon May 11 17:43:05 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:43:05 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! In-Reply-To: <5eb9e268.1c69fb81.5ca82.5579SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <70EEA16C-981F-4D6B-991A-00A8E0D5669C@island.net> <5eb9e268.1c69fb81.5ca82.5579SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The owner said the gauge has been on the car since the '70s. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:40 PM jimdamelio wrote: > Wow, I didn't think about that. And the saga continues. > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Jim via Tigers > Date: 5/11/20 7:20 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > > The big question is...is it original ?? I know for a fact that a few > years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought > a CE.3030/00 should look like.. > > Jim > > > Sent from my ShoePhone > > > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers > wrote: > > ? > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: > >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! >> Features noted: >> orange arms. >> 9 and 3 laying down. >> Negative earth >> Adjusters on the bottom. >> Smiths name on the bottom >> The SAOCA website was correct. >> >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? >> >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The big question is...is it original ?? ?I know for a fact that a few years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought a CE.3030/00 should look like..?JimSent from my ShoePhoneOn May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:?FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote:Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? _______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The big question is...is it original ?? ?I know for a fact that a few years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought a CE.3030/00 should look like..?JimSent from my ShoePhoneOn May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:?FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote:Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? _______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jim at island.net Mon May 11 18:09:53 2020 From: jim at island.net (jim) Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 17:09:53 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! In-Reply-To: References: <70EEA16C-981F-4D6B-991A-00A8E0D5669C@island.net> <5eb9e268.1c69fb81.5ca82.5579SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: <004b01d627f1$aa751610$ff5f4230$@island.net> The numbering system really is a mystery? Logically ( at least in my mind) I would think that the progression from white hands to red? and pos, ground to neg. would be in ascending numerical order. I know that the ( higher number than CE.3030/00 ) CE.3130/00 is Pos. ground and white hands ( numbers at top which all pos. ground clocks seem to have ) and then the CE.3131/00 and beyond are Neg. ground and red hands From: Jay Laifman Sent: Monday, May 11, 2020 4:43 PM To: jimdamelio Cc: Jim ; Tiger's Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! The owner said the gauge has been on the car since the '70s. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:40 PM jimdamelio > wrote: Wow, I didn't think about that. And the saga continues. Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Jim via Tigers > Date: 5/11/20 7:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! The big question is...is it original ?? I know for a fact that a few years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought a CE.3030/00 should look like.. Jim Sent from my ShoePhone On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers > wrote: ? FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman > wrote: Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! Features noted: orange arms. 9 and 3 laying down. Negative earth Adjusters on the bottom. Smiths name on the bottom The SAOCA website was correct. Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? 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Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jay Laifman) ? 2. Re: 3030/00 exists! (jimdamelio) ? 3. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jim) ? 4. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jay Laifman) ? 5. Re: 3030/00 exists! (jimdamelio) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:27:30 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: "Tiger's Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: > Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > Features noted: > orange arms. > 9 and 3 laying down. > Negative earth > Adjusters on the bottom. > Smiths name on the bottom > The SAOCA website was correct. > > Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > > And where is my dad's 3030/00? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Jim Sent from my ShoePhone > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote: > > ? > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > >> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00!? >> Features noted: >> orange arms. >> 9 and 3 laying down. >> Negative earth >> Adjusters on the bottom. >> Smiths name on the bottom >> The SAOCA website was correct. >> >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? >> >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I know for a fact that a few > years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought > a CE.3030/00 should look like.. > > Jim > > > Sent from my ShoePhone > > > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers > wrote: > > ? > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: > >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! >> Features noted: >> orange arms. >> 9 and 3 laying down. >> Negative earth >> Adjusters on the bottom. >> Smiths name on the bottom >> The SAOCA website was correct. >> >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? >> >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The big question is...is it original ?? ?I know for a fact that a few years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought a CE.3030/00 should look like..?JimSent from my ShoePhoneOn May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers wrote:?FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote:Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? _______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I have no reason to question him. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:32 PM Warren Goodman via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Really has the later heater controls been on since the 70s as well? > ------------------------------ > On Monday, May 11, 2020 tigers-request wrote: > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jay Laifman) > 2. Re: 3030/00 exists! (jimdamelio) > 3. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jim) > 4. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jay Laifman) > 5. Re: 3030/00 exists! (jimdamelio) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:27:30 -0700 > From: Jay Laifman > To: "Tiger's Den" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: > > > Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > > Features noted: > > orange arms. > > 9 and 3 laying down. > > Negative earth > > Adjusters on the bottom. > > Smiths name on the bottom > > The SAOCA website was correct. > > > > Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > > > > And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/280684a9/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:56:43 -0400 > From: jimdamelio > To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well I'll be, it does exist.??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/11/20 6:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger's > Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! FYI, > this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 > PM Jay Laifman wrote:Here are pictures of an > actual 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative > earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was > correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and > 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/8e5cbe6e/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:20:37 -0700 > From: Jim > To: Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: <70EEA16C-981F-4D6B-991A-00A8E0D5669C at island.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The big question is...is it original ?? I know for a fact that a few > years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought > a CE.3030/00 should look like... > > Jim > > > Sent from my ShoePhone > > > > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > ? > > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > > >> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman > wrote: > >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > >> Features noted: > >> orange arms. > >> 9 and 3 laying down. > >> Negative earth > >> Adjusters on the bottom. > >> Smiths name on the bottom > >> The SAOCA website was correct. > >> > >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > >> > >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/d9896e3c/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:43:05 -0700 > From: Jay Laifman > To: jimdamelio > Cc: Jim , "Tiger's Den" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The owner said the gauge has been on the car since the '70s. > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:40 PM jimdamelio wrote: > > > Wow, I didn't think about that. And the saga continues. > > > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jim via Tigers > > Date: 5/11/20 7:20 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: Jay Laifman > > Cc: Tiger's Den > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > > > > The big question is...is it original ?? I know for a fact that a few > > years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was > thought > > a CE.3030/00 should look like.. > > > > Jim > > > > > > Sent from my ShoePhone > > > > > > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> > > wrote: > > > > ? > > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman > wrote: > > > >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > >> Features noted: > >> orange arms. > >> 9 and 3 laying down. > >> Negative earth > >> Adjusters on the bottom. > >> Smiths name on the bottom > >> The SAOCA website was correct. > >> > >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > >> > >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/b621075e/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:40:20 -0400 > From: jimdamelio > To: Jim , Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wow, I didn't think about that.? And the saga continues.Sent from my > Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Jim via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/11/20 7:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Jay > Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! The big question is...is it original > ?? ?I know for a fact that a few years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several > clock faces to what was thought a CE.3030/00 should look like..?JimSent > from my ShoePhoneOn May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:?FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 > build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman < > jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:Here are pictures of an actual > 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative > earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was > correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and > 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > _______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: > http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/f91e89dd/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 39 > ************************************** > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 39 (Jay Laifman) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:46:57 -0700 From: Jay Laifman To: Warren Goodman Cc: "Tiger's Den" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 39 Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" He didn't say that. He said the clock has been there since the 70s when he bought the car. I have no reason to question him. On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 5:32 PM Warren Goodman via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Really has the later heater controls been on since the 70s as well? > ------------------------------ > On Monday, May 11, 2020 tigers-request wrote: > Send Tigers mailing list submissions to > tigers at autox.team.net > > To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to > tigers-request at autox.team.net > > You can reach the person managing the list at > tigers-owner at autox.team.net > > When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific > than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." > > > Today's Topics: > > 1. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jay Laifman) > 2. Re: 3030/00 exists! (jimdamelio) > 3. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jim) > 4. Re: 3030/00 exists! (Jay Laifman) > 5. Re: 3030/00 exists! (jimdamelio) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 15:27:30 -0700 > From: Jay Laifman > To: "Tiger's Den" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman wrote: > > > Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > > Features noted: > > orange arms. > > 9 and 3 laying down. > > Negative earth > > Adjusters on the bottom. > > Smiths name on the bottom > > The SAOCA website was correct. > > > > Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > > > > And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/280684a9/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 18:56:43 -0400 > From: jimdamelio > To: Jay Laifman , Tiger's Den > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Well I'll be, it does exist.??Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/11/20 6:27 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Tiger's > Den Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! FYI, > this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 > PM Jay Laifman wrote:Here are pictures of an > actual 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative > earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was > correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and > 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/8e5cbe6e/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 3 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:20:37 -0700 > From: Jim > To: Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: <70EEA16C-981F-4D6B-991A-00A8E0D5669C at island.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The big question is...is it original ?? I know for a fact that a few > years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was thought > a CE.3030/00 should look like... > > Jim > > > Sent from my ShoePhone > > > > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > > ? > > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > > >> On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman > wrote: > >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > >> Features noted: > >> orange arms. > >> 9 and 3 laying down. > >> Negative earth > >> Adjusters on the bottom. > >> Smiths name on the bottom > >> The SAOCA website was correct. > >> > >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > >> > >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/d9896e3c/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 4 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 16:43:05 -0700 > From: Jay Laifman > To: jimdamelio > Cc: Jim , "Tiger's Den" > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > The owner said the gauge has been on the car since the '70s. > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 4:40 PM jimdamelio wrote: > > > Wow, I didn't think about that. And the saga continues. > > > > > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > > > > -------- Original message -------- > > From: Jim via Tigers > > Date: 5/11/20 7:20 PM (GMT-05:00) > > To: Jay Laifman > > Cc: Tiger's Den > > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > > > > The big question is...is it original ?? I know for a fact that a few > > years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several clock faces to what was > thought > > a CE.3030/00 should look like.. > > > > Jim > > > > > > Sent from my ShoePhone > > > > > > On May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> > > wrote: > > > > ? > > FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 build date. > > > > On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman > wrote: > > > >> Here are pictures of an actual 3030/00! > >> Features noted: > >> orange arms. > >> 9 and 3 laying down. > >> Negative earth > >> Adjusters on the bottom. > >> Smiths name on the bottom > >> The SAOCA website was correct. > >> > >> Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and 3131/00? > >> > >> And where is my dad's 3030/00? > >> > > _______________________________________________ > > > > tigers at autox.team.net > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > > > > > > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/b621075e/attachment-0001.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 5 > Date: Mon, 11 May 2020 19:40:20 -0400 > From: jimdamelio > To: Jim , Jay Laifman > Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! > Message-ID: > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Wow, I didn't think about that.? And the saga continues.Sent from my > Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > -------- Original message --------From: Jim via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 5/11/20 7:20 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Jay > Laifman Cc: Tiger's Den > Subject: Re: [Tigers] 3030/00 exists! The big question is...is it original > ?? ?I know for a fact that a few years ago someone had a guy ?redo? several > clock faces to what was thought a CE.3030/00 should look like..?JimSent > from my ShoePhoneOn May 11, 2020, at 3:50 PM, Jay Laifman via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:?FYI, this is on a Tiger with a late 1964 > build date.On Mon, May 11, 2020 at 3:24 PM Jay Laifman < > jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:Here are pictures of an actual > 3030/00!??Features noted:orange arms.9 and 3 laying down.Negative > earthAdjusters on the bottom.Smiths?name on the?bottomThe SAOCA website was > correct.Now the question is, what is the difference between 3030/00 and > 3131/00?And where is my dad's 3030/00? > > _______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate : > http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jim at island.net > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: < > http://autox.team.net/pipermail/tigers/attachments/20200511/f91e89dd/attachment.htm > > > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > Tigers mailing list > Tigers at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 39 > ************************************** > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Tue May 12 14:35:42 2020 From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 20:35:42 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] clocks References: <885453146.60526.1589315742634.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <885453146.60526.1589315742634@mail.yahoo.com> I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? ?That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From awtiger at cox.net Tue May 12 15:15:23 2020 From: awtiger at cox.net (Andy Walker) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 16:15:23 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <885453146.60526.1589315742634@mail.yahoo.com> References: <885453146.60526.1589315742634.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <885453146.60526.1589315742634@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d628a2$7651be90$62f53bb0$@cox.net> Excellent point, Clyde. I, too, have always been under the impression that the clocks were dealer add-ons, which could for certain lead to a situation like you are referring to. All the clock talk DID help me identify mine, though. Of course, I found out that it was a positive ground unit and was in no way, shape, or form original to my Tiger. Oh, well?you win some, you lose some? Stay safe, Andy Walker Edmond, OK From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 3:36 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] clocks I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Tue May 12 15:43:07 2020 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 17:43:07 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <885453146.60526.1589315742634@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Clyde, what you wrote is very true.? Rootes used what was available from their suppliers.? There weren't many factory installed options.? White walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc.? Most all of the factory options could be dealer installed.? So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them.??The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 exists.? I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with it.? Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers.? My thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later one.? I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00.Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] clocks I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? ?That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From twotigers at verizon.net Tue May 12 15:43:42 2020 From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 14:43:42 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <000001d628a2$7651be90$62f53bb0$@cox.net> References: <885453146.60526.1589315742634.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <885453146.60526.1589315742634@mail.yahoo.com> <000001d628a2$7651be90$62f53bb0$@cox.net> Message-ID: <000a01d628a6$684b5d20$38e21760$@verizon.net> How about this one- not Tiger, but looks right, fits right, even keeps time when it feels like it- Jaeger 3106/00 From: Tigers On Behalf Of Andy Walker via Tigers Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 2:15 PM To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] clocks Excellent point, Clyde. I, too, have always been under the impression that the clocks were dealer add-ons, which could for certain lead to a situation like you are referring to. All the clock talk DID help me identify mine, though. Of course, I found out that it was a positive ground unit and was in no way, shape, or form original to my Tiger. Oh, well?you win some, you lose some? Stay safe, Andy Walker Edmond, OK From: Tigers [mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of clyde mclaughlin via Tigers Sent: Tuesday, May 12, 2020 3:36 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] clocks I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Tiger clock 005.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 2243462 bytes Desc: not available URL: From ora_archy at yahoo.com Tue May 12 17:44:12 2020 From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 23:44:12 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <20200512220908.BCD1FA0C3F@autox.team.net> References: <885453146.60526.1589315742634@mail.yahoo.com> <20200512220908.BCD1FA0C3F@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <2002045797.126258.1589327052408@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks for all your input regarding the clock topic.David Wilson (CAT Tiger Tales editor) and I have completed the article to the extent possible with the data at hand.I've received photos of a CE 3030/00 clock clearly showing the model number.The face differs slightly from the CE 3131/00 face (the font used on the 1 in the 12 is serif on the 3030 and sans serif on the 3131), but is difficult to discern in the majority of the photos in the archive.I have, therefore, lumped these for the purpose of analysis. Further research did obtain paperwork for B9472881 that was purchased via the Auto Europe program (see attached).Documents list accessories installed by Rootes that included an ammeter.Other options on the Auto Europe form that could be selected include an Electric Clock.While not confirmation, it appears likely that the clock could be installed at the factory if requested as part of a special order. Brian Glenn B9470208LRXFE GT B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 03:09:12 PM PDT, jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: Clyde, what you wrote is very true.? Rootes used what was available from their suppliers.? There weren't many factory installed options.? White walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc.? Most all of the factory options could be dealer installed.? So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them.?? The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 exists.? I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with it.? Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers.? My thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later one.? I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00. Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] clocks I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? ?That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ora_archy at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: B9472881LRXFE 33.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 93421 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: B9472881LRXFE 27.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 153404 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jliny5 at cox.net Tue May 12 17:58:38 2020 From: jliny5 at cox.net (James Lindner) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 19:58:38 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <20200512220917.0E857A0C60@autox.team.net> References: <20200512220917.0E857A0C60@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <0A39ECCD-989A-4564-BBC8-9F0430621018@cox.net> I would still like to hear from Norm Miller. When he wrote his book 20+ years ago something made him say the clock was a 3030/00. I need to hear that before I can make any informed decision. Jim L Sent from my iPad > On May 12, 2020, at 6:09 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: > > ? > Clyde, what you wrote is very true. Rootes used what was available from their suppliers. There weren't many factory installed options. White walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc. Most all of the factory options could be dealer installed. So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them. > > The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 exists. I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with it. Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers. My thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later one. I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00. > > Jim D > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers > Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] clocks > > I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jliny5 at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbsyv at yahoo.com Tue May 12 23:23:35 2020 From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B) Date: Tue, 12 May 2020 22:23:35 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <20200512220908.B43BAA0C3D@autox.team.net> References: <20200512220908.B43BAA0C3D@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <9315EC72-BA2A-4A15-851A-EE9A8BF05C98@yahoo.com> I too have been following this thread. Interesting stuff. If the clocks were dealer installed, did they have a LAT number? I?ve never seen a clock on the lists of LAT options that I?ve seen. And, I wonder what the cost was to have the clock installed. I think it has been established that clocks were not that common originally in Tigers or Alpines for that matter which makes me wonder if buyers looked at the options and decided a 4 bbl was money better spent. Also, if the 3030 was indeed never produced, and then was reproduced from legend, that would be amazing to me! > On May 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: > > Clyde, what you wrote is very true. Rootes used what was available from their suppliers. There weren't many factory installed options. White walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc. Most all of the factory options could be dealer installed. So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them. > > The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 exists. I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with it. Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers. My thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later one. I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00. > > Jim D > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers > Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] clocks > > I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ora_archy at yahoo.com Wed May 13 02:10:29 2020 From: ora_archy at yahoo.com (Brian Glenn) Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 08:10:29 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <9315EC72-BA2A-4A15-851A-EE9A8BF05C98@yahoo.com> References: <20200512220908.B43BAA0C3D@autox.team.net> <9315EC72-BA2A-4A15-851A-EE9A8BF05C98@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1995490426.217268.1589357429589@mail.yahoo.com> Jim,Electric clocks were options, but not LAT.LAT were performance options.Rootes had a number of other options, such as seat belts, back up lights, cigar lighter, etc.The cost is listed as $24. Brian Glenn P.O. Box 578 Julian, CA 92036-0578 714.345.9883 B9470208LRXFE GT B9471101LRXFE B9472615LRXFE B382000846LRXFE B382001212LRXFE On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 10:50:07 PM PDT, Jim B via Tigers wrote: I too have been following this thread. Interesting stuff. If the clocks were dealer installed, did they have a LAT number? I?ve never seen a clock on the lists of LAT options that I?ve seen. And, I wonder what the cost was to have the clock installed. I think it has been established that clocks were not that common originally in Tigers or Alpines for that matter which makes me wonder if buyers looked at the options and decided a 4 bbl was money better spent. Also, if the 3030 was indeed never produced, and then was reproduced from legend, that would be amazing to me!? On May 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: Clyde, what you wrote is very true.? Rootes used what was available from their suppliers.? There weren't many factory installed options.? White walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc.? Most all of the factory options could be dealer installed.? So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them.?? The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 exists.? I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with it.? Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers.? My thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later one.? I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00. Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] clocks I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? ?That being said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ora_archy at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed May 13 03:10:43 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 19:10:43 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <1995490426.217268.1589357429589@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20200512220908.B43BAA0C3D@autox.team.net> <9315EC72-BA2A-4A15-851A-EE9A8BF05C98@yahoo.com> <1995490426.217268.1589357429589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: The clocks were part of the Rootes factory approved options list. Parts supllied by UK mfgs for rootes cars at their request or from existing optional parts and often branded or boxed for rootes application. Some of the factory options crossed over with LAT options: LAT-1 Induction kits LAT-69: Talbot "303" Sr. Bullet Mirro r LAT-72: Motorola Radio Kit LSD and traction bars, These were available in the UK.. But most LAT parts were usa sourced and designed to homologate performance parts for scca prod racing or dress-up and merchandise bits for extra sales and PR and not comonly available in the UK On Wed., 13 May 2020, 18:47 Brian Glenn via Tigers, wrote: > Jim, > Electric clocks were options, but not LAT. > LAT were performance options. > Rootes had a number of other options, such as seat belts, back up lights, > cigar lighter, etc. > The cost is listed as $24. > > Brian Glenn > P.O. Box 578 > Julian, CA 92036-0578 > 714.345.9883 > > B9470208LRXFE GT > B9471101LRXFE > B9472615LRXFE > B382000846LRXFE > B382001212LRXFE > > > On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 10:50:07 PM PDT, Jim B via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I too have been following this thread. Interesting stuff. If the clocks > were dealer installed, did they have a LAT number? I?ve never seen a clock > on the lists of LAT options that I?ve seen. And, I wonder what the cost was > to have the clock installed. I think it has been established that clocks > were not that common originally in Tigers or Alpines for that matter which > makes me wonder if buyers looked at the options and decided a 4 bbl was > money better spent. Also, if the 3030 was indeed never produced, and then > was reproduced from legend, that would be amazing to me! > > On May 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers > wrote: > > Clyde, what you wrote is very true. Rootes used what was available from > their suppliers. There weren't many factory installed options. White > walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc. Most all of the factory options could be > dealer installed. So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them. > > The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 > exists. I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with > it. Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers. My > thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later > one. I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00. > > Jim D > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers > Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] clocks > > I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing > something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed > accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? That being > said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an > early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when > stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always > shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't > know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it > out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ora_archy at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Wed May 13 08:42:52 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Wed, 13 May 2020 07:42:52 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] clocks In-Reply-To: <1995490426.217268.1589357429589@mail.yahoo.com> References: <20200512220908.B43BAA0C3D@autox.team.net> <9315EC72-BA2A-4A15-851A-EE9A8BF05C98@yahoo.com> <1995490426.217268.1589357429589@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: And here is everything you might want to know about LAT - which stands for "Los Angeles Tiger." Thus, not basic factory options: http://tigersunited.com/resources/parts_service/lat.asp >From Tom Hall at that page: *" Since I didn't know Ian Garrad until Dick Wheatly introduced us in 1971, I can only tell you what I know of the situation from discussions at that time. By that time, I had been communicating with Dick for about a year about LAT Options and SCCA Homologation. Mr. Wheatly was the only contact I could find that was familiar with Tiger Production and distribution. We, STOA, were up to our ears in negotiations with the SF Region of SCCA in support of Tiger Owner/Members that were Auto Crossing locally at that time.* *Dick was one of Ian's point men in the development of the whole series of LAT options while he was an employee of International Automobiles (Ian's West Coast Rootes Group Sunbeam Distributorship). I do know that Ian had Sunbeam Factory Authorization to develop these options and they were developed for two very good reasons. First they helped the cars go fast on race day which helped sell cars big time in that era. Essentially anything that Doane Spencer developed for racing application was given an LAT number and some quantity of these items were produced and put into "inventory". This "inventory" was primarily for SCCA Homogulation purposes, so the material in inventory might or might not have been the same as Doane's functioning hardware, but it "looked" like it. If you knew the right people (most likely Shelby, International Automobile, or Hollywood Sports Car employees) you could have Special Ordered a Tiger and had those parts installed by someone in that chain prior to having the car delivered to the dealership. I'll be the first to admit that this was not a common situation and the vast majority of the cars were sent to the dealers as received from England, but that gets us to the second reason for the LAT Option development.* *The Tiger was not particularly profitable as it was produced in basic form. The LAT Options list was another way for International Automobiles and the retail dealers to share in the sale of options which enhanced the profitability of their operations. This was of paramount importance to Ian, the CEO of the West Coast Sunbeam Distributorship, International Automobiles, who knew that his parent company was in a desperate financial situation. You have to give them credit for at least attempting to meet all of these potentially conflicting situations. By mid 1966 their efforts proved insufficient and Chrysler Corporation assumed management control of the Rootes Group in an attempt to control the continued corporate losses of their subsidiary .* *In the process, they managed to flush the whole of International Automobiles personnel from the remaining operation. In doing so, they also created a situation where most of the "documentation" was "lost". All we have is a few random letters and copies of "stuff". Some of us have special memories for those who tried to make it happen."* On Wed, May 13, 2020 at 1:47 AM Brian Glenn via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Jim, > Electric clocks were options, but not LAT. > LAT were performance options. > Rootes had a number of other options, such as seat belts, back up lights, > cigar lighter, etc. > The cost is listed as $24. > > Brian Glenn > P.O. Box 578 > Julian, CA 92036-0578 > 714.345.9883 > > B9470208LRXFE GT > B9471101LRXFE > B9472615LRXFE > B382000846LRXFE > B382001212LRXFE > > > On Tuesday, May 12, 2020, 10:50:07 PM PDT, Jim B via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I too have been following this thread. Interesting stuff. If the clocks > were dealer installed, did they have a LAT number? I?ve never seen a clock > on the lists of LAT options that I?ve seen. And, I wonder what the cost was > to have the clock installed. I think it has been established that clocks > were not that common originally in Tigers or Alpines for that matter which > makes me wonder if buyers looked at the options and decided a 4 bbl was > money better spent. Also, if the 3030 was indeed never produced, and then > was reproduced from legend, that would be amazing to me! > > On May 12, 2020, at 2:43 PM, jimdamelio via Tigers > wrote: > > Clyde, what you wrote is very true. Rootes used what was available from > their suppliers. There weren't many factory installed options. White > walls, sunvisors, hardtop etc. Most all of the factory options could be > dealer installed. So everyone was dependent on what was supplied to them. > > The clock thread began because some of us don't believe that a 3030/00 > exists. I believe it was a typo in an article and people have run with > it. Even gone so far as reproducing the clock face with those numbers. My > thought are it should be 3131/00 for early Tigers and 3131/01 for later > one. I would like to see a picture of a clapped out 3030/00. > > Jim D > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: clyde mclaughlin via Tigers > Date: 5/12/20 4:35 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] clocks > > I have watched all this clock talk for over a week now, I maybe missing > something but my understanding was that the clock was a dealer installed > accessory, not installed at the factory, am I right or wrong?? That being > said, if the clocks were in fact dealer installed then couldn't you have an > early clock installed in a late car depending on the dealers stock, or when > stock was ordered from Rootes warehouse who's to say if it was always > shipped out on in the order of production or receipt from supplier. I don't > know which clock I have because I'm presently not where my car is to ck it > out, I do know it has been converted to quarts and keeps perfect time, Clyde > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ora_archy at yahoo.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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If it happens, you might be seeing a status message from hoosierq at gmail.com that may look suspicious at first glance.? It will be from me. And another note, the old problem of delayed email seems to be occurring again.? Currently the delay is one the order of an hour or so, I'll be looking into the situation. Fun times indeed! mjb. From randya at pacbell.net Sat May 16 13:43:30 2020 From: randya at pacbell.net (Randall Antosiak) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 19:43:30 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Cooling the Tiger References: <1117244476.229193.1589658210527.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1117244476.229193.1589658210527@mail.yahoo.com> My Tiger's engine runs hot a low speeds and I want to increase the airflow.? I'd like to know if anyone has successfully addressed this issue with a Derale fan, or another type of fan, or an electric fan. I'm in the process of installing a Derale 17015 fan, but I have had to depitch the blades to clear the upper rad hose, which reduces the airflow.? 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URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat May 16 16:25:01 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 15:25:01 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Joe, There IS a seal there.? I know because I have been noticing mine is slipping out. I forget the details, I installed it in 1979 after my paint job.? I wouldn't have put anything there if there wasn't something there originally. I think I made a new one from gasket paper, but not sure.? I know I made several seals, back then you couldn't just get things from Sunbeam Specialties. I am not sure what it really seals, maybe just to protect the paint.? The tops fit so loosely around there that the rain will get in through much larger gaps anyway. Gary On 5/16/2020 1:42 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote: > Hi, > > The parts manual seems to indicate that there is a seal that goes > under the chrome B-post cap.? I can't find a seal like this in the > Sunbeam Specialties catalog.? 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I'm in the process of installing a Derale 17015 fan, but I have had to depitch the blades to clear the upper rad hose, which reduces the airflow.? In addition, I will have to create a custom spacer, so it is getting to the point where I am not sure it is worth the bother. I am now leaning towards using the original fan and an electric fan, but want to survey the group first. Thanks for your response. _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/lovemygirls365 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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In addition, I will have to create a custom spacer, so it is getting to the point where I am not sure it is worth the bother. I am now leaning towards using the original fan and an electric fan, but want to survey the group first. Thanks for your response. [https://ipmcdn.avast.com/images/icons/icon-envelope-tick-round-orange-animated-no-repeat-v1.gif] Virus-free. www.avast.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Sat May 16 17:55:48 2020 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 18:55:48 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap In-Reply-To: <5ec06b15.1c69fb81.9cf8d.aa37SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <5ec06b15.1c69fb81.9cf8d.aa37SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks for the photo. I have some thin sheet rubber that I will try to use. Thanks, Joe On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:37 PM jimdamelio wrote: > Joe, > > Yes, there is a gasket for under the B-post capping. Don't know why they > aren't reproduced. Hope the attachment come through. > > Jim D > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joe Brown via Tigers > Date: 5/16/20 4:42 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Tigers Den > Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap > > Hi, > > The parts manual seems to indicate that there is a seal that goes under > the chrome B-post cap. I can't find a seal like this in the Sunbeam > Specialties catalog. Can someone verify that there is supposed to be a > seal under the cap? > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Sat May 16 18:13:36 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 10:13:36 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap In-Reply-To: References: <5ec06b15.1c69fb81.9cf8d.aa37SMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: The great gasket question... If making your own gaskets lots of people ( including our suplliers) remake what were paper gaskets in rubber. A good example are the trunk (boot) hinge gaskets and the door handle gaskets. These are originally a paper type gasket material. The modern repros are a molded rubber with a edge hob/ridge to locate the part. The better quality rubbers will have a cross hatch on the back of the rubber gasket to provide grip.. But you will note that with the moderm rubbers the gaskets often form a fat black like around the handles and hinges.. They also often move and you see them skewed under the part. The original gaskets located much better and were not visible and less likely to move. So if making gaskets dont always assume a rubber gasket is a better option. Just my .02 On Sun., 17 May 2020, 10:06 Joe Brown via Tigers, wrote: > Thanks for the photo. I have some thin sheet rubber that I will try to > use. > > Thanks, > Joe > > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:37 PM jimdamelio wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> Yes, there is a gasket for under the B-post capping. Don't know why they >> aren't reproduced. Hope the attachment come through. >> >> Jim D >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Joe Brown via Tigers >> Date: 5/16/20 4:42 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: Tigers Den >> Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap >> >> Hi, >> >> The parts manual seems to indicate that there is a seal that goes under >> the chrome B-post cap. I can't find a seal like this in the Sunbeam >> Specialties catalog. Can someone verify that there is supposed to be a >> seal under the cap? >> >> Thanks, >> Joe Brown >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From e.coiner at cox.net Sat May 16 22:43:47 2020 From: e.coiner at cox.net (e.coiner e.coiner) Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:43:47 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [Tigers] Cooling the Tiger In-Reply-To: <1117244476.229193.1589658210527@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1117244476.229193.1589658210527.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1117244476.229193.1589658210527@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1597635523.614270.1589690627284@myemail.cox.net> I installed the same fan on my Tiger, I had to trim a little corner off the leading edge to clear the radiator. Don't remember any issues with the hose. The air flow on that thing is insane. I have a LAT fiberglass hood. Reving the engine will cause the corners of the hood to flex up from the air pressure. The sound is just like a Cessna on full power take off roll. Cooling problems under control. After a while I found the Ford Maverick fan and installed that. The Derale was too noisy compared to the Maverick. Cooling still under control. > On May 16, 2020 at 3:43 PM Randall Antosiak via Tigers wrote: > > My Tiger's engine runs hot a low speeds and I want to increase the airflow. I'd like to know if anyone has successfully addressed this issue with a Derale fan, or another type of fan, or an electric fan. > > I'm in the process of installing a Derale 17015 fan, but I have had to depitch the blades to clear the upper rad hose, which reduces the airflow. In addition, I will have to create a custom spacer, so it is getting to the point where I am not sure it is worth the bother. > > I am now leaning towards using the original fan and an electric fan, but want to survey the group first. > > Thanks for your response. > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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On Saturday, May 16, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Cooling the Tiger (Brent Edinger) ? 2. Re: B-Post Cap (Joe Brown) ? 3. Re: B-Post Cap (michael king) ? 4. Re: Cooling the Tiger (e.coiner e.coiner) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 22:57:19 +0000 From: Brent Edinger To: "tigers at autox.team.net" Subject: [Tigers] Cooling the Tiger Message-ID: ??? ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="iso-8859-1" This pretty much covers it all.? It's all about airflow in and out of the engine compartment. http://www.tigersunited.com/techtips/SteveLaifmanValance/pt-SteveLaifmanValance1.asp Brent From: Randall Antosiak To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Cooling the Tiger Message-ID: <1117244476.229193.1589658210527 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" My Tiger's engine runs hot a low speeds and I want to increase the airflow.? I'd like to know if anyone has successfully addressed this issue with a Derale fan, or another type of fan, or an electric fan. I'm in the process of installing a Derale 17015 fan, but I have had to depitch the blades to clear the upper rad hose, which reduces the airflow.? In addition, I will have to create a custom spacer, so it is getting to the point where I am not sure it is worth the bother. I am now leaning towards using the original fan and an electric fan, but want to survey the group first. Thanks for your response. 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Hope the attachment come through. > > Jim D > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Joe Brown via Tigers > Date: 5/16/20 4:42 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Tigers Den > Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap > > Hi, > > The parts manual seems to indicate that there is a seal that goes under > the chrome B-post cap.? I can't find a seal like this in the Sunbeam > Specialties catalog.? Can someone verify that there is supposed to be a > seal under the cap? > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 10:13:36 +1000 From: michael king To: Joe Brown Cc: jimdamelio , Tigers Den ??? Subject: Re: [Tigers] B-Post Cap Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" The great gasket question... If making your own gaskets lots of people ( including our suplliers) remake what were paper gaskets in rubber. A good example are the trunk (boot) hinge gaskets and the door handle gaskets. These are originally a paper type gasket material. The modern repros are a molded rubber with a edge hob/ridge to locate the part. The better quality rubbers will have a cross hatch on the back of the rubber gasket to provide grip.. But you will note that with the moderm rubbers the gaskets often form a fat black like around the handles and hinges.. They also often move and you see them skewed under the part. The original gaskets located much better and were not visible and less likely to move. So if making gaskets dont always assume a rubber gasket is a better option. Just my .02 On Sun., 17 May 2020, 10:06 Joe Brown via Tigers, wrote: > Thanks for the photo.? I have some thin sheet rubber that I will try to > use. > > Thanks, > Joe > > On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 5:37 PM jimdamelio wrote: > >> Joe, >> >> Yes, there is a gasket for under the B-post capping.? Don't know why they >> aren't reproduced.? Hope the attachment come through. >> >> Jim D >> >> >> >> Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. >> >> >> -------- Original message -------- >> From: Joe Brown via Tigers >> Date: 5/16/20 4:42 PM (GMT-05:00) >> To: Tigers Den >> Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap >> >> Hi, >> >> The parts manual seems to indicate that there is a seal that goes under >> the chrome B-post cap.? I can't find a seal like this in the Sunbeam >> Specialties catalog.? Can someone verify that there is supposed to be a >> seal under the cap? >> >> Thanks, >> Joe Brown >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 4 Date: Sun, 17 May 2020 00:43:47 -0400 (EDT) From: "e.coiner e.coiner" To: Randall Antosiak via Tigers Subject: Re: [Tigers] Cooling the Tiger Message-ID: <1597635523.614270.1589690627284 at myemail.cox.net> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" I installed the same fan on my Tiger,? I had to trim a little corner off the leading edge to clear the radiator. Don't remember any issues with the hose. The air flow on that thing is insane.? I have a LAT fiberglass hood.? Reving the engine will cause the corners of the hood to flex up from the air pressure. The sound is just like a Cessna on full power take off roll. Cooling problems under control.? After a while I found the Ford Maverick fan and installed that.? The Derale was too noisy compared to the Maverick. Cooling still under control. > On May 16, 2020 at 3:43 PM Randall Antosiak via Tigers wrote: > >? ? My Tiger's engine runs hot a low speeds and I want to increase the airflow.? I'd like to know if anyone has successfully addressed this issue with a Derale fan, or another type of fan, or an electric fan. > >? ? I'm in the process of installing a Derale 17015 fan, but I have had to depitch the blades to clear the upper rad hose, which reduces the airflow.? In addition, I will have to create a custom spacer, so it is getting to the point where I am not sure it is worth the bother. > >? ? I am now leaning towards using the original fan and an electric fan, but want to survey the group first. > >? ? Thanks for your response. > > > _______________________________________________ > >? ? tigers at autox.team.net > >? ? Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >? ? Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > >? ? Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/e.coiner at cox.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I recently took apart an original paint series SV Alpine, and pretty soon after I get a nice positive drive screwdriver I will take another original paint car apart to look for your paper gasket. I do not see that same style of washer on either car. I've certainly seen that washer on an original hardtop. not sure why the factory would use that or anybody else for that matter cuz it makes a really wonderful place for water and salt and road debris to get trapped. I'm sure it's a matter of they did different things at different times if it was the first time your car was apart. On Saturday, May 16, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Cooling the Tiger (Randall Antosiak) ? 2. B-Post Cap (Joe Brown) ? 3. Re: B-Post Cap (Gary) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 19:43:30 +0000 (UTC) From: Randall Antosiak To: Tiger List Subject: [Tigers] Cooling the Tiger Message-ID: <1117244476.229193.1589658210527 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" My Tiger's engine runs hot a low speeds and I want to increase the airflow.? I'd like to know if anyone has successfully addressed this issue with a Derale fan, or another type of fan, or an electric fan. I'm in the process of installing a Derale 17015 fan, but I have had to depitch the blades to clear the upper rad hose, which reduces the airflow.? In addition, I will have to create a custom spacer, so it is getting to the point where I am not sure it is worth the bother. I am now leaning towards using the original fan and an electric fan, but want to survey the group first. Thanks for your response. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 15:42:49 -0500 From: Joe Brown To: Tigers Den Subject: [Tigers] B-Post Cap Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Hi, The parts manual seems to indicate that there is a seal that goes under the chrome B-post cap.? I can't find a seal like this in the Sunbeam Specialties catalog.? Can someone verify that there is supposed to be a seal under the cap? Thanks, Joe Brown -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 15:25:01 -0700 From: Gary To: Joe Brown Cc: Tiger Group Subject: Re: [Tigers] B-Post Cap Message-ID: Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"; Format="flowed" Joe, There IS a seal there.? I know because I have been noticing mine is slipping out. I forget the details, I installed it in 1979 after my paint job.? I wouldn't have put anything there if there wasn't something there originally. I think I made a new one from gasket paper, but not sure.? I know I made several seals, back then you couldn't just get things from Sunbeam Specialties. I am not sure what it really seals, maybe just to protect the paint.? The tops fit so loosely around there that the rain will get in through much larger gaps anyway. Gary On 5/16/2020 1:42 PM, Joe Brown via Tigers wrote: > Hi, > > The parts manual seems to indicate that there is a seal that goes > under the chrome B-post cap.? I can't find a seal like this in the > Sunbeam Specialties catalog.? Can someone verify that there is > supposed to be a seal under the cap? > > Thanks, > Joe Brown > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is 1/16" thick and looks like the material that the original trunk hinge gaskets were.Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200519_141114.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1575438 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Wed May 20 09:46:34 2020 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Wed, 20 May 2020 15:46:34 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Mystery Part References: <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517@mail.yahoo.com> 1966 MK 1A I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it does.? Can anyone identify? Thanks Joel Martin -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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It is > 1/16" thick and looks like the material that the original trunk hinge > gaskets were. > > Jim D > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Thu May 21 07:17:30 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 06:17:30 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mystery Part In-Reply-To: <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <77012eaa-04c1-d50a-60aa-5716bea898a5@comcast.net> Having only had MK1s I don't recognize this part. I suggest it is somehow part of the "soft boot" over the soft top. It looks aluminum, should not be painted. Gary On 5/20/2020 8:46 AM, Joel Martin via Tigers wrote: > 1966 MK 1A > > I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it does.? Can anyone identify? > > Thanks > Joel Martin > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Stu On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Joel Martin via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > 1966 MK 1A > > I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it > does. Can anyone identify? > > Thanks > Joel Martin_______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mwood24020 at aol.com Thu May 21 09:51:04 2020 From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 15:51:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Mystery Part In-Reply-To: References: <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1451146595.1049951.1590076264283@mail.yahoo.com> No idea, here, either. Never seen a part like that on any of the Tigers or Alpines I've worked on. -----Original Message----- From: Stu via Tigers To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 6:55 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mystery Part This reminds me of when I bought my Tiger.?This uncompleted restoration was?sort of a kit. It?mostly ran, but there were lots of parts still in boxes.?The problem was that the previous owner had also rebuilt an International Scout, and there were parts from that mixed in the boxes too.? Unfortunately, this was back in the days before Al Gore invented the internet, but I? bumped into another owner of a very complete tiger (Wally Swift)?and took lots of pictures, which helped sort things out.? Sorry, I don't recognize your part. Stu On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Joel Martin via Tigers wrote: 1966 MK 1A I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it does.? Can anyone identify? Thanks Joel Martin_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jmartiniii at yahoo.com Thu May 21 10:51:53 2020 From: jmartiniii at yahoo.com (Joel Martin) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 16:51:53 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Mystery Part In-Reply-To: <1451146595.1049951.1590076264283@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517@mail.yahoo.com> <1451146595.1049951.1590076264283@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <283435005.1940793.1590079913302@mail.yahoo.com> Thanks all. For now remains a mystery part. We bagged and tagged most parts when we took the car apart and then lost some tagging when it went to the paint booth as this part was painted body color. Must have seemed like the right thing to do at the time. Now bagged on parts shelf as 'mystery part' non essential. Too much time on our hands as I am reviewing Sunbeam parts not on car. Second leaking rear brake cylinder to fail in a couple of years from TRW to be replaced and just received new pressure brake light switch from SS, oh the fun. Joel Martin On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 11:51:07 AM EDT, Michael Wood wrote: No idea, here, either. Never seen a part like that on any of the Tigers or Alpines I've worked on. -----Original Message----- From: Stu via Tigers To: Joel Martin Cc: Tiger List Serve Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 6:55 am Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mystery Part This reminds me of when I bought my Tiger.?This uncompleted restoration was?sort of a kit. It?mostly ran, but there were lots of parts still in boxes.?The problem was that the previous owner had also rebuilt an International Scout, and there were parts from that mixed in the boxes too.? Unfortunately, this was back in the days before Al Gore invented the internet, but I? bumped into another owner of a very complete tiger (Wally Swift)?and took lots of pictures, which helped sort things out.? Sorry, I don't recognize your part. Stu On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Joel Martin via Tigers wrote: 1966 MK 1A I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it does.? Can anyone identify? Thanks Joel Martin_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Thu May 21 11:12:40 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Thu, 21 May 2020 10:12:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Mystery Part In-Reply-To: <283435005.1940793.1590079913302@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1911138403.1487907.1589989595517@mail.yahoo.com> <1451146595.1049951.1590076264283@mail.yahoo.com> <283435005.1940793.1590079913302@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ever watch the Prisoner? He drives his Lotus 7 at the beginning of every episode. Then in one particular episode, he gets his car back and he confirms it is his car because, as he said, "that is my car, I know every nut and bolt on it." I haven't done that on my Tiger. But I did that on two Alpines - every piece, stripped down to just the body shell, and put back together. Neither Alpine had that part. That part doesn't look particularly strong. So I don't see why a Tiger would have something like that, but an Alpine would not. Happy to be shown wrong. On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 9:53 AM Joel Martin via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Thanks all. For now remains a mystery part. We bagged and tagged most > parts when we took the car apart and then lost some tagging when it went to > the paint booth as this part was painted body color. Must have seemed like > the right thing to do at the time. > > Now bagged on parts shelf as 'mystery part' non essential. Too much time > on our hands as I am reviewing Sunbeam parts not on car. > > Second leaking rear brake cylinder to fail in a couple of years from TRW > to be replaced and just received new pressure brake light switch from SS, > oh the fun. > > Joel Martin > On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 11:51:07 AM EDT, Michael Wood < > mwood24020 at aol.com> wrote: > > > No idea, here, either. Never seen a part like that on any of the Tigers or > Alpines I've worked on. > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Stu via Tigers > To: Joel Martin > Cc: Tiger List Serve > Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 6:55 am > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mystery Part > > This reminds me of when I bought my Tiger. This uncompleted restoration > was sort of a kit. It mostly ran, but there were lots of parts still in > boxes. The problem was that the previous owner had also rebuilt an > International Scout, and there were parts from that mixed in the boxes > too. Unfortunately, this was back in the days before Al Gore invented the > internet, but I bumped into another owner of a very complete tiger (Wally > Swift) and took lots of pictures, which helped sort things out. > > Sorry, I don't recognize your part. > > Stu > > On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Joel Martin via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > 1966 MK 1A > > I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it > does. Can anyone identify? > > Thanks > Joel Martin_______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com > > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Neither Alpine had that part. > > That part doesn't look particularly strong. So I don't see why a Tiger would have something like that, but an Alpine would not. Happy to be shown wrong. > >> On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 9:53 AM Joel Martin via Tigers wrote: >> Thanks all. For now remains a mystery part. We bagged and tagged most parts when we took the car apart and then lost some tagging when it went to the paint booth as this part was painted body color. Must have seemed like the right thing to do at the time. >> >> Now bagged on parts shelf as 'mystery part' non essential. Too much time on our hands as I am reviewing Sunbeam parts not on car. >> >> Second leaking rear brake cylinder to fail in a couple of years from TRW to be replaced and just received new pressure brake light switch from SS, oh the fun. >> >> Joel Martin >> On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 11:51:07 AM EDT, Michael Wood wrote: >> >> >> No idea, here, either. Never seen a part like that on any of the Tigers or Alpines I've worked on. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stu via Tigers >> To: Joel Martin >> Cc: Tiger List Serve >> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 6:55 am >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mystery Part >> >> This reminds me of when I bought my Tiger. This uncompleted restoration was sort of a kit. It mostly ran, but there were lots of parts still in boxes. The problem was that the previous owner had also rebuilt an International Scout, and there were parts from that mixed in the boxes too. Unfortunately, this was back in the days before Al Gore invented the internet, but I bumped into another owner of a very complete tiger (Wally Swift) and took lots of pictures, which helped sort things out. >> >> Sorry, I don't recognize your part. >> >> Stu >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Joel Martin via Tigers wrote: >> 1966 MK 1A >> >> I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it does. Can anyone identify? >> >> Thanks >> Joel Martin_______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ggere at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Happy to be shown > wrong. > > On Thu, May 21, 2020 at 9:53 AM Joel Martin via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Thanks all. For now remains a mystery part. We bagged and tagged most >> parts when we took the car apart and then lost some tagging when it went to >> the paint booth as this part was painted body color. Must have seemed like >> the right thing to do at the time. >> >> Now bagged on parts shelf as 'mystery part' non essential. Too much time >> on our hands as I am reviewing Sunbeam parts not on car. >> >> Second leaking rear brake cylinder to fail in a couple of years from TRW >> to be replaced and just received new pressure brake light switch from SS, >> oh the fun. >> >> Joel Martin >> On Thursday, May 21, 2020, 11:51:07 AM EDT, Michael Wood < >> mwood24020 at aol.com> wrote: >> >> >> No idea, here, either. Never seen a part like that on any of the Tigers >> or Alpines I've worked on. >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: Stu via Tigers >> To: Joel Martin >> Cc: Tiger List Serve >> Sent: Thu, May 21, 2020 6:55 am >> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Mystery Part >> >> This reminds me of when I bought my Tiger. This uncompleted restoration >> was sort of a kit. It mostly ran, but there were lots of parts still in >> boxes. The problem was that the previous owner had also rebuilt an >> International Scout, and there were parts from that mixed in the boxes >> too. Unfortunately, this was back in the days before Al Gore invented the >> internet, but I bumped into another owner of a very complete tiger (Wally >> Swift) and took lots of pictures, which helped sort things out. >> >> Sorry, I don't recognize your part. >> >> Stu >> >> On Wed, May 20, 2020 at 12:20 PM Joel Martin via Tigers < >> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >> 1966 MK 1A >> >> I painted this part body color and have no idea where it goes or what it >> does. Can anyone identify? >> >> Thanks >> Joel Martin_______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sabre2tgr at gmail.com >> >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/mwood24020 at aol.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com >> >> >> _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/ggere at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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(We can't afford to throw a party and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to pay for.) > > The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or two hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out yours ASAP. The better our data, the better the decisions. > > thanks, > Buck Trippel > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jipme at hotmail.com Sat May 23 19:38:59 2020 From: jipme at hotmail.com (J H) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 01:38:59 +0000 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net>, Message-ID: September 2021! Yes, I?m in! Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: ? This September? Are you kidding? Don?t you guys listen to the news (I mean real news, not Trump). Gary Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote: ? Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. It promises to be a spectacular event but the organizers need to know how many would be interested in attending. (We can't afford to throw a party and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to pay for.) The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or two hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out yours ASAP. 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URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Sat May 23 20:50:57 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 19:50:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: ... Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI *to be held_a year from_ this coming September* in Independence, MO. ... On 5/23/2020 6:27 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: > This September? ?Are you kidding? > Don?t you guys listen to the news (I mean > real news, not Trump). > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers >> wrote: >> >> ? >> >> Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently >> emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be >> held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. >> >> It promises to be a spectacular event but the organizers need to know >> how many would be interested in attending. (We can't afford to throw >> a party and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to pay for.) >> >> The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or >> two hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out >> yours ASAP. 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URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Sat May 23 21:10:23 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 20:10:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: OOPs, my mistake.. sorry Gary On 5/23/2020 7:50 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: > > ... Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently > emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI *to be > held_a year from_ this coming September* in Independence, MO. ... > > On 5/23/2020 6:27 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: >> This September? ?Are you kidding? >> Don?t you guys listen to the news (I mean >> real news, not Trump). >> Gary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers >>> wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> >>> Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently >>> emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be >>> held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. >>> >>> It promises to be a spectacular event but the organizers need to >>> know how many would be interested in attending. (We can't afford to >>> throw a party and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to >>> pay for.) >>> >>> The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or >>> two hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out >>> yours ASAP. The better our data, the better the decisions. >>> >>> thanks, >>> >>> Buck Trippel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >>> >>> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com Sat May 23 21:53:06 2020 From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 22:53:06 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: I would be interested. I'm just about finished with my car and the kinks should all be worked out by next year. Thanks, Joe Brown On Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:11 PM Gary via Tigers wrote: > OOPs, my mistake.. sorry > Gary > > > On 5/23/2020 7:50 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: > > ... Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed > out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI *to be held a year > from this coming September* in Independence, MO. ... > On 5/23/2020 6:27 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: > > This September? Are you kidding? > Don?t you guys listen to the news (I mean > real news, not Trump). > Gary > > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers > wrote: > > ? > > Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out > a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be held a year from this > coming September in Independence, MO. > > > > It promises to be a spectacular event but the organizers need to know how > many would be interested in attending. (We can't afford to throw a party > and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to pay for.) > > > > The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or two > hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out yours ASAP. > The better our data, the better the decisions. > > > > thanks, > > Buck Trippel > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > > _______________________________________________ > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > > _______________________________________________ > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbsyv at yahoo.com Sat May 23 22:59:54 2020 From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 21:59:54 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <654441D3-55B1-41F0-AE19-BB7A2FE3DAE5@yahoo.com> So, just to clarify, that?s 14 months from now. Right? > On May 23, 2020, at 6:38 PM, J H via Tigers wrote: > > September 2021! > Yes, I?m in! > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 23, 2020, at 8:35 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: >> >> ? This September? Are you kidding? >> Don?t you guys listen to the news (I mean >> real news, not Trump). >> Gary >> >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >>> On May 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote: >>> >>> ? >>> Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. >>> >>> It promises to be a spectacular event but the organizers need to know how many would be interested in attending. (We can't afford to throw a party and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to pay for.) >>> >>> The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or two hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out yours ASAP. The better our data, the better the decisions. >>> >>> thanks, >>> Buck Trippel >>> >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >>> >>> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fdonate.html&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f59cef47c204df32a9708d7ff82c76c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637258809456634793&sdata=VRoCmHQKamnqhA60h1Avs%2BWE3UQzBYpf7jfTEOgkYx0%3D&reserved=0 >> Archive: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.team.net%2Fpipermail%2Ftigers&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f59cef47c204df32a9708d7ff82c76c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637258809456644797&sdata=90DN3YKG1HzBIFPXoCBcmNWztG%2BBPck22kQ1lH1tHB0%3D&reserved=0 https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Farchive&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f59cef47c204df32a9708d7ff82c76c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637258809456644797&sdata=xh5kcZ6WTyhvg3oHlCjHyi5j%2F%2FhE6rBEldsJQS818H8%3D&reserved=0 >> >> Unsubscribe: https://nam12.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmailman%2Foptions%2Ftigers%2Fjipme%40hotmail.com&data=02%7C01%7C%7C5f59cef47c204df32a9708d7ff82c76c%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637258809456644797&sdata=7Ibb3dVaSHo%2FZdz1eT4S9qkk%2F9L0bt1zjqVeOSg6mjc%3D&reserved=0 >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Sat May 23 23:45:03 2020 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 22:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00e401d6318e$79b7e420$6d27ac60$@verizon.net> Mike, Joe, Lynn & JH. I?ve noted your interest (two ?yes? & two ?likely?). Mike, didn?t you win the autoX at the last SUNI? And I count a bit more than 14 months (16+?) until September 13-17 of 2021. I believe it is scheduled to start in 493 days. That should give all of us plenty of time to clean up our Tigers. Gary, I frequently need glasses when I?m using my i-phone, so I know how easy it is to miss a word here or there. BTW, looking at the survey responses, a number commented ?too early?. I think some of those responders may have misplaced their glasses as well. The basic idea was to try to locate a SUNI in the middle of the country once every 5 years. Admittedly this particular location favors the east, being about a two day drive from New York or Washington, DC while it?s a 3-day trip from the west coast. (And that?s without sightseeing along the way on historic Route 66.) Regardless which coast you?re coming from it will be a lot shorter than the nearly 5-thousand mile Tiger trip my wife and I did last summer ? I not only know it can be done but that the drive is a lot of fun. Obviously the folks in the heartland score, but that?s the point. Every year there are events on both the west coast and another in the east. I hope it?s not too much to ask to occasionally try to put an event in the middle. However it just may be that it is. That?s why we?re asking. Hopefully this will come together and we?ll have a great time. We?re planning (optional) activities every evening. Rosemary Smith will review Rootes rallying while Mike Smith (one of the four Rootes and Jensen engineers responsible for the production Tiger) will speak about developing the prototypes into production cars. And we?re trying to invite another very notable guest speaker as well. Stay tuned! Buck From: Tigers On Behalf Of Joe Brown via Tigers Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:53 PM To: Gary Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] SUNI Survey I would be interested. I'm just about finished with my car and the kinks should all be worked out by next year. Thanks, Joe Brown On Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:11 PM Gary via Tigers > wrote: OOPs, my mistake.. sorry Gary On 5/23/2020 7:50 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: ... Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. ... On 5/23/2020 6:27 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: This September? Are you kidding? Don?t you guys listen to the news (I mean real news, not Trump). Gary Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bucktrippel at verizon.net Sat May 23 23:45:03 2020 From: bucktrippel at verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Sat, 23 May 2020 22:45:03 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <00e401d6318e$79b7e420$6d27ac60$@verizon.net> Mike, Joe, Lynn & JH. I?ve noted your interest (two ?yes? & two ?likely?). Mike, didn?t you win the autoX at the last SUNI? And I count a bit more than 14 months (16+?) until September 13-17 of 2021. I believe it is scheduled to start in 493 days. That should give all of us plenty of time to clean up our Tigers. Gary, I frequently need glasses when I?m using my i-phone, so I know how easy it is to miss a word here or there. BTW, looking at the survey responses, a number commented ?too early?. I think some of those responders may have misplaced their glasses as well. The basic idea was to try to locate a SUNI in the middle of the country once every 5 years. Admittedly this particular location favors the east, being about a two day drive from New York or Washington, DC while it?s a 3-day trip from the west coast. (And that?s without sightseeing along the way on historic Route 66.) Regardless which coast you?re coming from it will be a lot shorter than the nearly 5-thousand mile Tiger trip my wife and I did last summer ? I not only know it can be done but that the drive is a lot of fun. Obviously the folks in the heartland score, but that?s the point. Every year there are events on both the west coast and another in the east. I hope it?s not too much to ask to occasionally try to put an event in the middle. However it just may be that it is. That?s why we?re asking. Hopefully this will come together and we?ll have a great time. We?re planning (optional) activities every evening. Rosemary Smith will review Rootes rallying while Mike Smith (one of the four Rootes and Jensen engineers responsible for the production Tiger) will speak about developing the prototypes into production cars. And we?re trying to invite another very notable guest speaker as well. Stay tuned! Buck From: Tigers On Behalf Of Joe Brown via Tigers Sent: Saturday, May 23, 2020 8:53 PM To: Gary Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] SUNI Survey I would be interested. I'm just about finished with my car and the kinks should all be worked out by next year. Thanks, Joe Brown On Sat, May 23, 2020, 10:11 PM Gary via Tigers > wrote: OOPs, my mistake.. sorry Gary On 5/23/2020 7:50 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers wrote: ... Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. ... On 5/23/2020 6:27 PM, Gary via Tigers wrote: This September? Are you kidding? Don?t you guys listen to the news (I mean real news, not Trump). Gary Sent from my iPhone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From windsowens at gmail.com Sun May 24 14:45:29 2020 From: windsowens at gmail.com (Windsor Owens) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 13:45:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs Message-ID: Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud. My fault, should have pulled over sooner and checked them. They are original and it is now time to replace them. Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive my Tiger! I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace with OE full-length ones. My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year. Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed without pulling the axles? Any suggestions appreciated. Looking forward to getting it back on the road, these cars are so much fun to drive! Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial Day- Windsor -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From achd73 at yahoo.com Sun May 24 17:56:20 2020 From: achd73 at yahoo.com (Tony .Someone...) Date: Sun, 24 May 2020 18:56:20 -0500 Subject: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Been there done this. Luckily I had an Alpine to rob studs from. Im 99% you need to prepare to pull the axel. May as well check the axel bearing and I installed a new seal. One axel came out pretty easy but drivers side took some excellent penatraing oil and a 100 watt bulb on it for 18 hours. Not saying this is what helped but the first time I tightened the puller it popped out. After doing it once its not that hard of a job but you will need the right puller. I wud have no problem driving the car to my garage/shop with only 3 studs. Just torque them and stop and check after approiate mileage!!! TonytheTiger Sent from Mail for Windows 10 From: Windsor Owens via Tigers Sent: Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:45 PM To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud.? My fault, should have pulled over sooner and checked them.? They are original and it is now time to replace them.? Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive my Tiger! I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace with OE full-length ones. My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year.? Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed without pulling the axles? Any suggestions appreciated.? Looking forward to getting it back on the road, these cars are so much fun to drive! Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial Day- Windsor -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phastphill at aol.com Sun May 24 19:20:51 2020 From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 01:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2011160521.1152162.1590369651584@mail.yahoo.com> a year from this coming September a year from this coming September -----Original Message----- From: Gary via Tigers To: Buck Trippel Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] SUNI Survey This September? ?Are you kidding?Don?t you guys listen to the news (I meanreal news, not Trump).Gary? Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote: ? #yiv0531215019 #yiv0531215019 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0531215019 #yiv0531215019 p.yiv0531215019MsoNormal, #yiv0531215019 li.yiv0531215019MsoNormal, #yiv0531215019 div.yiv0531215019MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv0531215019 span.yiv0531215019EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv0531215019 .yiv0531215019MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv0531215019 div.yiv0531215019WordSection1 {}#yiv0531215019 Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. ?It promises to be a spectacular event but the organizers need to know how many would be interested in attending. (We can't afford to throw a party and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to pay for.) ?The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or two hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out yours ASAP. The better our data, the better the decisions. ?thanks,Buck Trippel ?_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From phastphill at aol.com Sun May 24 19:20:51 2020 From: phastphill at aol.com (phastphill at aol.com) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 01:20:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] SUNI Survey In-Reply-To: References: <001701d6315e$bbc75ce0$335616a0$@verizon.net> Message-ID: <2011160521.1152162.1590369651584@mail.yahoo.com> a year from this coming September a year from this coming September -----Original Message----- From: Gary via Tigers To: Buck Trippel Cc: Tigers at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 23, 2020 9:27 pm Subject: Re: [Tigers] SUNI Survey This September? ?Are you kidding?Don?t you guys listen to the news (I meanreal news, not Trump).Gary? Sent from my iPhone On May 23, 2020, at 5:03 PM, Buck Trippel via Tigers wrote: ? #yiv0531215019 #yiv0531215019 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0531215019 #yiv0531215019 p.yiv0531215019MsoNormal, #yiv0531215019 li.yiv0531215019MsoNormal, #yiv0531215019 div.yiv0531215019MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv0531215019 span.yiv0531215019EmailStyle17 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv0531215019 .yiv0531215019MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv0531215019 div.yiv0531215019WordSection1 {}#yiv0531215019 Many of the Rootes clubs from across the country have recently emailed out a survey designed to measure interest in a SUNI to be held a year from this coming September in Independence, MO. ?It promises to be a spectacular event but the organizers need to know how many would be interested in attending. (We can't afford to throw a party and then have a lot of no shows whose rooms we have to pay for.) ?The clubs started sending the survey out a few days ago and one or two hope to get it to their members this weekend. Please fill out yours ASAP. The better our data, the better the decisions. ?thanks,Buck Trippel ?_______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/phastphill at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From owain.lloyd at gmail.com Mon May 25 00:15:00 2020 From: owain.lloyd at gmail.com (Owain Lloyd) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 08:15:00 +0200 Subject: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs In-Reply-To: <20200524235802.56902A19DC@autox.team.net> References: <20200524235802.56902A19DC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: You can notch the flange slightly with a hacksaw or grinder and get the new standard size stud in without removing the hub. Done it in a hotel car park in Marrakesh 11 years ago in about 20 minutes. On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 02:02, Tony .Someone... via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Been there done this. Luckily I had an Alpine to rob studs from. Im 99% > you need to prepare to pull the axel. May as well check the axel bearing > and I installed a new seal. One axel came out pretty easy but drivers side > took some excellent penatraing oil and a 100 watt bulb on it for 18 hours. > Not saying this is what helped but the first time I tightened the puller it > popped out. After doing it once its not that hard of a job but you will > need the right puller. I wud have no problem driving the car to my > garage/shop with only 3 studs. Just torque them and stop and check after > approiate mileage!!! > > TonytheTiger > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Windsor Owens via Tigers > *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:45 PM > *To: *tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject: *[Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs > > > > Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud. My fault, should have pulled > over sooner and checked them. They are original and it is now time to > replace them. Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive > my Tiger! > > I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace > with OE full-length ones. > > My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one > sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year. > Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed > without pulling the axles? > > > > Any suggestions appreciated. Looking forward to getting it back on the > road, these cars are so much fun to drive! > > > > Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial > Day- > > > > Windsor > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-8186986869824580701_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From windsowens at gmail.com Mon May 25 10:04:40 2020 From: windsowens at gmail.com (Windsor Owens) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 09:04:40 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs In-Reply-To: References: <20200524235802.56902A19DC@autox.team.net> Message-ID: Fantastic, thanks for the tip, Owain! Windsor On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:15 PM Owain Lloyd wrote: > You can notch the flange slightly with a hacksaw or grinder and get the > new standard size stud in without removing the hub. > > Done it in a hotel car park in Marrakesh 11 years ago in about 20 minutes. > > On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 02:02, Tony .Someone... via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Been there done this. Luckily I had an Alpine to rob studs from. Im 99% >> you need to prepare to pull the axel. May as well check the axel bearing >> and I installed a new seal. One axel came out pretty easy but drivers side >> took some excellent penatraing oil and a 100 watt bulb on it for 18 hours. >> Not saying this is what helped but the first time I tightened the puller it >> popped out. After doing it once its not that hard of a job but you will >> need the right puller. I wud have no problem driving the car to my >> garage/shop with only 3 studs. Just torque them and stop and check after >> approiate mileage!!! >> >> TonytheTiger >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> *From: *Windsor Owens via Tigers >> *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:45 PM >> *To: *tigers at autox.team.net >> *Subject: *[Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs >> >> >> >> Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud. My fault, should have pulled >> over sooner and checked them. They are original and it is now time to >> replace them. Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive >> my Tiger! >> >> I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace >> with OE full-length ones. >> >> My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one >> sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year. >> Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed >> without pulling the axles? >> >> >> >> Any suggestions appreciated. Looking forward to getting it back on the >> road, these cars are so much fun to drive! >> >> >> >> Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial >> Day- >> >> >> >> Windsor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> [image: Avast logo] >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#m_-1485636334426077024_m_-8186986869824580701_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From windsowens at gmail.com Mon May 25 10:22:57 2020 From: windsowens at gmail.com (Windsor Owens) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 09:22:57 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs In-Reply-To: <5ecb09a9.1c69fb81.f2ae8.56cfSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> References: <5ecb09a9.1c69fb81.f2ae8.56cfSMTPIN_ADDED_MISSING@mx.google.com> Message-ID: Thanks Tony. Yeah, I will definitely get the right puller and soak it with PB blaster or something similar for a while before attempting to pull the hubs. Good to know 3 lugs should hold for my ~ 20 mile trip back to my garage, saves me the trouble of putting in a temporary short one. Windsor On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 4:56 PM Tony .Someone... wrote: > Been there done this. Luckily I had an Alpine to rob studs from. Im 99% > you need to prepare to pull the axel. May as well check the axel bearing > and I installed a new seal. One axel came out pretty easy but drivers side > took some excellent penatraing oil and a 100 watt bulb on it for 18 hours. > Not saying this is what helped but the first time I tightened the puller it > popped out. After doing it once its not that hard of a job but you will > need the right puller. I wud have no problem driving the car to my > garage/shop with only 3 studs. Just torque them and stop and check after > approiate mileage!!! > > TonytheTiger > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Windsor Owens via Tigers > *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:45 PM > *To: *tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject: *[Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs > > > > Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud. My fault, should have pulled > over sooner and checked them. They are original and it is now time to > replace them. Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive > my Tiger! > > I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace > with OE full-length ones. > > My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one > sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year. > Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed > without pulling the axles? > > > > Any suggestions appreciated. Looking forward to getting it back on the > road, these cars are so much fun to drive! > > > > Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial > Day- > > > > Windsor > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_7352119853142673712_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From wjtwgoodman at aol.com Mon May 25 10:42:39 2020 From: wjtwgoodman at aol.com (Warren Goodman) Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 63 References: <934954391.4502504.1590424959660.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <934954391.4502504.1590424959660@mail.yahoo.com> There is a real nifty poor man's hub puller on the Alpine website.? I think I'm going to have to contact that guy I gave my Alpine rear end to . On Monday, May 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: Send Tigers mailing list submissions to ??? tigers at autox.team.net To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit ??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/tigers or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to ??? tigers-request at autox.team.net You can reach the person managing the list at ??? tigers-owner at autox.team.net When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific than "Re: Contents of Tigers digest..." Today's Topics: ? 1. Re: replacement rear wheel lugs (Owain Lloyd) ? 2. Re: replacement rear wheel lugs (Windsor Owens) ? 3. Re: replacement rear wheel lugs (Windsor Owens) ---------------------------------------------------------------------- Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 08:15:00 +0200 From: Owain Lloyd To: "Tony .Someone..." Cc: Tiger List , Windsor Owens ??? Subject: Re: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" You can notch the flange slightly with a hacksaw or grinder and get the new standard size stud in without removing the hub. Done it in a hotel car park in Marrakesh 11 years ago in about 20 minutes. On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 02:02, Tony .Someone... via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Been there done this. Luckily I had an Alpine to rob studs from. Im 99% > you need to prepare to pull the axel. May as well check the axel bearing > and I installed a new seal. One axel came out pretty easy but drivers side > took some excellent penatraing oil and a 100 watt bulb on it for 18 hours. > Not saying this is what helped but the first time I tightened the puller it > popped out. After doing it once its not that hard of a job but you will > need the right puller. I wud have no problem driving the car to my > garage/shop with only 3 studs. Just torque them and stop and check after > approiate mileage!!! > > TonytheTiger > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Windsor Owens via Tigers > *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:45 PM > *To: *tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject: *[Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs > > > > Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud.? My fault, should have pulled > over sooner and checked them.? They are original and it is now time to > replace them.? Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive > my Tiger! > > I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace > with OE full-length ones. > > My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one > sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year. > Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed > without pulling the axles? > > > > Any suggestions appreciated.? Looking forward to getting it back on the > road, these cars are so much fun to drive! > > > > Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial > Day- > > > > Windsor > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_-8186986869824580701_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 2 Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 09:04:40 -0700 From: Windsor Owens To: owain.lloyd at gmail.com Cc: "Tony .Someone..." , Tiger List ??? Subject: Re: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Fantastic, thanks for the tip, Owain! Windsor On Sun, May 24, 2020, 11:15 PM Owain Lloyd wrote: > You can notch the flange slightly with a hacksaw or grinder and get the > new standard size stud in without removing the hub. > > Done it in a hotel car park in Marrakesh 11 years ago in about 20 minutes. > > On Mon, 25 May 2020 at 02:02, Tony .Someone... via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Been there done this. Luckily I had an Alpine to rob studs from. Im 99% >> you need to prepare to pull the axel. May as well check the axel bearing >> and I installed a new seal. One axel came out pretty easy but drivers side >> took some excellent penatraing oil and a 100 watt bulb on it for 18 hours. >> Not saying this is what helped but the first time I tightened the puller it >> popped out. After doing it once its not that hard of a job but you will >> need the right puller. I wud have no problem driving the car to my >> garage/shop with only 3 studs. Just torque them and stop and check after >> approiate mileage!!! >> >> TonytheTiger >> >> >> >> Sent from Mail for >> Windows 10 >> >> >> >> *From: *Windsor Owens via Tigers >> *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:45 PM >> *To: *tigers at autox.team.net >> *Subject: *[Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs >> >> >> >> Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud.? My fault, should have pulled >> over sooner and checked them.? They are original and it is now time to >> replace them.? Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive >> my Tiger! >> >> I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace >> with OE full-length ones. >> >> My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one >> sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year. >> Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed >> without pulling the axles? >> >> >> >> Any suggestions appreciated.? Looking forward to getting it back on the >> road, these cars are so much fun to drive! >> >> >> >> Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial >> Day- >> >> >> >> Windsor >> >> >> >> >> >> >> ------------------------------ >> [image: Avast logo] >> >> This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. >> www.avast.com >> >> >> <#m_-1485636334426077024_m_-8186986869824580701_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/owain.lloyd at gmail.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: ------------------------------ Message: 3 Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 09:22:57 -0700 From: Windsor Owens To: "Tony .Someone..." Cc: Tiger List Subject: Re: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs Message-ID: ??? Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" Thanks Tony.? Yeah, I will definitely get the right puller and soak it with PB blaster or something similar for a while before attempting to pull the hubs.? Good to know 3 lugs should hold for my ~ 20 mile trip back to my garage, saves me the trouble of putting in a temporary short one. Windsor On Sun, May 24, 2020 at 4:56 PM Tony .Someone... wrote: > Been there done this. Luckily I had an Alpine to rob studs from. Im 99% > you need to prepare to pull the axel. May as well check the axel bearing > and I installed a new seal. One axel came out pretty easy but drivers side > took some excellent penatraing oil and a 100 watt bulb on it for 18 hours. > Not saying this is what helped but the first time I tightened the puller it > popped out. After doing it once its not that hard of a job but you will > need the right puller. I wud have no problem driving the car to my > garage/shop with only 3 studs. Just torque them and stop and check after > approiate mileage!!! > > TonytheTiger > > > > Sent from Mail for > Windows 10 > > > > *From: *Windsor Owens via Tigers > *Sent: *Sunday, May 24, 2020 3:45 PM > *To: *tigers at autox.team.net > *Subject: *[Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs > > > > Yesterday I sheared off a rear wheel stud.? My fault, should have pulled > over sooner and checked them.? They are original and it is now time to > replace them.? Also time for me to start paying more attention when I drive > my Tiger! > > I understand that the axle stubs need to be removed in order to replace > with OE full-length ones. > > My car is in temporary storage, and I want to replace the sheared one > sometime soon so I can drive the car to my own garage later this year. > Does anyone have a recommendation for a shorter stud that can be installed > without pulling the axles? > > > > Any suggestions appreciated.? Looking forward to getting it back on the > road, these cars are so much fun to drive! > > > > Hope everyone is out this weekend enjoying a nice drive, Happy Memorial > Day- > > > > Windsor > > > > > > > ------------------------------ > [image: Avast logo] > > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > www.avast.com > > <#m_7352119853142673712_DAB4FAD8-2DD7-40BB-A1B8-4E2AA1F9FDF2> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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By donating now, their gift will be matched by an anonymous donor. (the matching donation period ends this week) So the Archive will gross $4,830 which will go a long way towards retiring the remaining debt incurred for the new building. If anyone wants to join in donating during these last days of matching funds, you can find details at https://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=7004 Again, Thanks to the Alpine owners of America for this wonderful gift that benefits all in the Rootes world! Buck Trippel -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From windsowens at gmail.com Wed May 27 08:12:29 2020 From: windsowens at gmail.com (Windsor Owens) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 07:12:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] replacement rear wheel lugs (Windsor Owens) Message-ID: Thanks for the tip, Warren. I will check it out. Best, Windsor >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Message: 1 Date: Mon, 25 May 2020 16:42:39 +0000 (UTC) From: Warren Goodman To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 13, Issue 63 Message-ID: <934954391.4502504.1590424959660 at mail.yahoo.com> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" There is a real nifty poor man's hub puller on the Alpine website.? I think I'm going to have to contact that guy I gave my Alpine rear end to . On Monday, May 25, 2020 tigers-request wrote: >>>>>>>>>>>>> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing.? It shows the Tiger, its exhaust system, air cleaner and braking system.??Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Buck Trippel via Tigers Date: 5/23/20 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week For those of who would like to support the Rootes Archive Center Trust's efforts to preserve hundreds of thousands of Rootes' engineering drawings and many other items of Rootes heritage, this is the last week to make donations that will be matched on a dollar for dollar basis. It?s estimated that 10-thousand of the drawings are on Alpines and Tigers.?You can donate by PayPal or in many other ways. For details see, https://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=6183?Donations must be made by June 1st to qualify for the matching funds.?Buck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Wed May 27 17:16:37 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 23:16:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week & EXHAUST In-Reply-To: <20200527214537.44C74A0250@autox.team.net> References: <003301d63160$a2786930$e7693b90$@verizon.net> <20200527214537.44C74A0250@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <34477102.494187.1590621398420@mail.yahoo.com> I notice they show a resonator in the tail pipe. I don't believe these was used in production cars. David Franchi On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:33:42 PM PDT, jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: I was able to arrange a tour of the archive center on my trip to England last year.? Any Rootes Group fan would be in heaven.? All the displays, photos and drawings are amazing.? Well worth a visit.? Wonderful people too.? I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing.? It shows the Tiger, its exhaust system, air cleaner and braking system.?? Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Buck Trippel via Tigers Date: 5/23/20 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week For those of who would like to support the Rootes Archive Center Trust's efforts to preserve hundreds of thousands of Rootes' engineering drawings and many other items of Rootes heritage, this is the last week to make donations that will be matched on a dollar for dollar basis. It?s estimated that 10-thousand of the drawings are on Alpines and Tigers. ? You can donate by PayPal or in many other ways. For details see, https://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=6183 ? Donations must be made by June 1st to qualify for the matching funds. ? Buck _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 20200428_191419.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 4405727 bytes Desc: not available URL: From jimdamelio at verizon.net Wed May 27 17:55:05 2020 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 19:55:05 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week & EXHAUST In-Reply-To: <34477102.494187.1590621398420@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I don't believe they did either.? The parts book doesn't show one.?Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: D or G at sbc Date: 5/27/20 7:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: Buck Trippel , tigers at autox.team.net, jimdamelio Subject: Re: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week & EXHAUST I notice they show a resonator in the tail pipe. I don't believe these was used in production cars.David Franchi On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:33:42 PM PDT, jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: I was able to arrange a tour of the archive center on my trip to England last year? Any Rootes Group fan would be in heaven.? All the displays, photos and drawings are amazing.? Well worth a visit.? Wonderful people too.? I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing.? It shows the Tiger, its exhaust system, air cleaner and braking system.??Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.-------- Original message --------From: Buck Trippel via Tigers Date: 5/23/20 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week For those of who would like to support the Rootes Archive Center Trust's efforts to preserve hundreds of thousands of Rootes' engineering drawings and many other items of Rootes heritage, this is the last week to make donations that will be matched on a dollar for dollar basis. It?s estimated that 10-thousand of the drawings are on Alpines and Tigers. ?You can donate by PayPal or in many other ways. For details see, https://www.catmbrorg/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=6183 ?Donations must be made by June 1st to qualify for the matching funds. ?Buck_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed May 27 19:08:03 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:08:03 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: <784520146.472860.1590616900653@mail.yahoo.com> References: <784520146.472860.1590616900653.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784520146.472860.1590616900653@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? Pic attached On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Hello, > > > In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: > 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but > not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door > opener shaft? > > 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door > around the door opening shaft? > Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up > > Help please > > Jim > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 LRXFE > Code 86 > TAC #.... > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed May 27 19:09:08 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 11:09:08 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: <784520146.472860.1590616900653.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784520146.472860.1590616900653@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, wrote: > Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The > doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a > rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft > and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what > you are looking at? > > Pic attached > > > > On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> >> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but >> not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door >> opener shaft? >> >> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door >> around the door opening shaft? >> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >> >> Help please >> >> Jim >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A >> 382002083 LRXFE >> Code 86 >> TAC #.... >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: 4aef7790.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 10820 bytes Desc: not available URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed May 27 21:08:51 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:08:51 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Well that?s interesting, have never seen those rubber pieces in all my years of Tigering. Was that a late mod? My MK1s have springs behind the chrome ring that keeps them from rattling. Hi Michael! Did you ever get the horn ring? Gary Winblad Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king wrote: > > ? > Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. > >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, wrote: >> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? >> >> Pic attached >> >> >> >>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? >>> >>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? >>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>> >>> Help please >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Armstrong >>> Mk 1A >>> 382002083 LRXFE >>> Code 86 >>> TAC #.... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >>> >>> > > <4aef7790.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From michael.s.king at gmail.com Wed May 27 21:16:46 2020 From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 13:16:46 +1000 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hey Gary, Yes the springs are used behind the bakerlite escutcheons but that keeps them from dragging on the door trims when rotating and keeps them pished out over the pins that hold the handles on. The rubbers prevent the handle rattling on the shaft. And yes the horn ring arrived at my friends...but its yet to work its way to me yet... 2020.... Urgh On Thu., 28 May 2020, 13:08 Gary, wrote: > Well that?s interesting, have never seen > those rubber pieces in all my years of Tigering. > Was that a late mod? My MK1s have springs > behind the chrome ring that keeps them > from rattling. > > Hi Michael! Did you ever get the horn ring? > Gary Winblad > > Sent from my iPhone > > On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king > wrote: > > ? > Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. > > On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, > wrote: > >> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The >> doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a >> rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft >> and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what >> you are looking at? >> >> Pic attached >> >> >> >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, < >> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but >>> not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door >>> opener shaft? >>> >>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of >>> door around the door opening shaft? >>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>> >>> Help please >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Armstrong >>> Mk 1A >>> 382002083 LRXFE >>> Code 86 >>> TAC #.... >>> _______________________________________________ >>> >>> tigers at autox.team.net >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe: >>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >>> >>> >>> <4aef7790.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dtdaily at yahoo.com Wed May 27 21:56:25 2020 From: dtdaily at yahoo.com (Derek Daily) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 20:56:25 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> Hmmm, i was just going through door reassembly this weekend. Where would the rubber "sleeve" go? In my case, early MKIA ...000428, the handles are snug over the male post. In fact, as one of those original fixing pins has gone missing, i attempted to use plumbing tape over the post prior to replacing the handle pin and the handle could not slide over the thin tape. No way a rubber sleeve would work on this car (unless im misunderstanding Placement location..). FWIW, i have three donuts per side. Two on door latch post One on window crank. However, I can state no knowledge of original location. Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon with chrome ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" of lever after reattaching... those suck. On most i have the chrome pushed in to eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to be inserted and no way to pull chrome out once handle is connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never slide back in to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here including card are original. Lets see if i can attach... Derek Daily dtdaily at yahoo.com > On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king wrote: > > Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. > >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, wrote: >> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? >> >> Pic attached >> >> >> >>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? >>> >>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? >>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>> >>> Help please >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Armstrong >>> Mk 1A >>> 382002083 > > <4aef7790.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon with chrome ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" of lever after reattaching... those suck. On most i have the chrome pushed in to eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to be inserted and no way to pull chrome out once handle is connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never slide back in to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here including card are original. Lets see if i can attach... Derek Daily dtdaily at yahoo.com > On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king wrote: > > Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. > >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, wrote: >> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? >> >> Pic attached >> >> >> >>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, wrote: >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? >>> >>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? >>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>> >>> Help please >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Armstrong >>> Mk 1A >>> 382002083 > > <4aef7790.jpg> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu May 28 13:55:48 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:55:48 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week In-Reply-To: <20200527214533.AA543A0088@autox.team.net> References: <003301d63160$a2786930$e7693b90$@verizon.net> <20200527214533.AA543A0088@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <002201d63529$fe1f8c60$fa5ea520$@bluefrog.com> Jim Interesting drawing. Is there a readable date on the drawing anywhere? I see Humber in the top right corner so I?m guessing this is an early drawing ? maybe 1963. Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:44 PM To: Buck Trippel ; tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week I was able to arrange a tour of the archive center on my trip to England last year. Any Rootes Group fan would be in heaven. All the displays, photos and drawings are amazing. Well worth a visit. Wonderful people too. I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing. It shows the Tiger, its exhaust system, air cleaner and braking system. Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Buck Trippel via Tigers > Date: 5/23/20 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week For those of who would like to support the Rootes Archive Center Trust's efforts to preserve hundreds of thousands of Rootes' engineering drawings and many other items of Rootes heritage, this is the last week to make donations that will be matched on a dollar for dollar basis. It?s estimated that 10-thousand of the drawings are on Alpines and Tigers. You can donate by PayPal or in many other ways. For details see, https://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=6183 Donations must be made by June 1st to qualify for the matching funds. Buck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rfraser at bluefrog.com Thu May 28 13:59:27 2020 From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 15:59:27 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: <784520146.472860.1590616900653.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <784520146.472860.1590616900653@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002701d6352a$801ef7a0$805ce6e0$@bluefrog.com> Michael It is wonderful when pictures of these parts are available ? great job. Do you have dimensions for that rubber part? OD Length Material ? is it rubber hose or more foam rubber? Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of michael king Sent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 9:09 PM To: James Armstrong ; Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] inside door parts questions Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, > wrote: Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? Pic attached On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, > wrote: Hello, In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? 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I will post close up pictures to the list.Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser Date: 5/28/20 3:55 PM (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week Jim??????????????? Interesting drawing.Is there a readable date on the drawing anywhere?I see Humber in the top right corner so I?m guessing this is an early drawing ? maybe 1963.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:44 PMTo: Buck Trippel ; tigers at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week?I was able to arrange a tour of the archive center on my trip to England last year.? Any Rootes Group fan would be in heaven.? All the displays, photos and drawings are amazing.? Well worth a visit.? Wonderful people too.? I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing.? It shows the Tiger, its exhaust system, air cleaner and braking system.???Jim D???Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone.??-------- Original message --------From: Buck Trippel via Tigers Date: 5/23/20 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week ?For those of who would like to support the Rootes Archive Center Trust's efforts to preserve hundreds of thousands of Rootes' engineering drawings and many other items of Rootes heritage, this is the last week to make donations that will be matched on a dollar for dollar basis. It?s estimated that 10-thousand of the drawings are on Alpines and Tigers.?You can donate by PayPal or in many other ways. For details see, https://www.catmbr.org/VB_forum/showthread.php?t=6183?Donations must be made by June 1st to qualify for the matching funds.?Buck -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Interesting drawing.Is there a readable date on the drawing anywhere?I see Humber in the top right corner so I?m guessing this is an early drawing ? maybe 1963.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Wednesday, May 27, 2020 5:44 PMTo: Buck Trippel ; tigers at autox.team.netSubject: Re: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week?I was able to arrange a tour of the archive center on my trip to England last year.? Any Rootes Group fan would be in heaven.? All the displays, photos and drawings are amazing.? Well worth a visit.? Wonderful people too.? I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing.? 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The rare Imp water pump was able to be reproduced using the drawings.Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Joe Brown Date: 5/29/20 8:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: jimdamelio Cc: "Tigers at autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Do they sell full size copies of the drawings?On Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:38 AM jimdamelio via Tigers wrote:Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone._______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The rare Imp water pump was able to be reproduced using the drawings.Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: Joe Brown Date: 5/29/20 8:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: jimdamelio Cc: "Tigers at autox.team.net" Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Do they sell full size copies of the drawings?On Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:38 AM jimdamelio via Tigers wrote:Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone._______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Incidentally, Sunbeam Alpine 260 was the official internal name for the model (Tourer & GT). And is frequently noted as Sunbeam Alpine Project 260 as well. Never seen 'Thunderbolt' on any drawing. If nothing else lockdown enables the pursuit of such details!! Best Wishes. Graham ************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Fri May 29 08:01:23 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 07:01:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi Michael, I just noticed what you said.. The springs don't go behind the bakelite escutcheon but in front of..? between the escutcheon and the chrome ring, they push the escutcheon against the door trim (so it doesn't drag, chrome against chrome slips more easily). Also, I am thinking that the rubber piece goes inside the handle, not "around" anything.. ?? Gary On 5/27/2020 8:16 PM, michael king wrote: > Hey Gary, > > Yes the springs are used behind the bakerlite escutcheons but that > keeps them from dragging on the door trims when rotating and keeps > them pished out over the pins that hold the handles on. The rubbers > prevent the handle rattling on the shaft. > > And yes the horn ring arrived at my friends...but its yet to work its > way to me yet... 2020.... Urgh > > On Thu., 28 May 2020, 13:08 Gary, > wrote: > > Well that?s interesting, have never seen > those rubber pieces in all my years of Tigering. > Was that a late mod?? My MK1s have springs > behind the chrome ring that keeps them > from rattling. > > Hi Michael!? Did you ever get the horn ring? > Gary Winblad > > Sent from my iPhone > >> On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king >> > wrote: >> >> ? >> Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. >> >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, >> > wrote: >> >> Jim..? I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... >> But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and >> handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on >> the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips >> over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are >> looking at? >> >> Pic attached >> >> >> >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, >> > wrote: >> >> Hello, >> >> >> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder >> shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) >> and is there another on the door opener shaft? >> >> 2) what the heck are part #s YX? Illus. B # s? 98 and >> 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? >> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >> >> Help please >> >> Jim >> >> Jim Armstrong >> Mk 1A >> 382002083 LRXFE >> Code 86 >> TAC #.... >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >> >> >> <4aef7790.jpg> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jefferyrandall at gmail.com Wed May 27 19:37:54 2020 From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:37:54 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week & EXHAUST In-Reply-To: <20200527235539.897D4A0899@autox.team.net> References: <34477102.494187.1590621398420@mail.yahoo.com> <20200527235539.897D4A0899@autox.team.net> Message-ID: I had an original S5 with a resonator in the tailpipe, I believe it was around 4000# kind of early S5. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 7:59 PM jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: > I don't believe they did either. The parts book doesn't show one. > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: D or G at sbc > Date: 5/27/20 7:16 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Buck Trippel , tigers at autox.team.net, > jimdamelio > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week & EXHAUST > > I notice they show a resonator in the tail pipe. I don't believe these was > used in production cars. > > David Franchi > > On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:33:42 PM PDT, jimdamelio via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I was able to arrange a tour of the archive center on my trip to England > last year Any Rootes Group fan would be in heaven. All the displays, > photos and drawings are amazing. Well worth a visit. Wonderful people > too. I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing. It shows the > Tiger, its exhaust system, air cleaner and braking system. > > Jim D > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Buck Trippel via Tigers > Date: 5/23/20 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week > > For those of who would like to support the Rootes Archive Center Trust's > efforts to preserve hundreds of thousands of Rootes' engineering drawings > and many other items of Rootes heritage, this is the last week to make > donations that will be matched on a dollar for dollar basis. It?s estimated > that 10-thousand of the drawings are on Alpines and Tigers. > > > > You can donate by PayPal or in many other ways. 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URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed May 27 22:46:14 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:46:14 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> References: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I would assume that pictured little rubber piece goes inside the handle before you put it in the post. You must get the pin centralized in the handle, then the spring can push the ring out. The ring keeps the pin from falling out. I have used cut off nails when I have lost the pins. Gary Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Derek Daily via Tigers wrote: > > ?Hmmm, i was just going through door reassembly this weekend. Where would the rubber "sleeve" go? In my case, early MKIA ...000428, the handles are snug over the male post. In fact, as one of those original fixing pins has gone missing, i attempted to use plumbing tape over the post prior to replacing the handle pin and the handle could not slide over the thin tape. No way a rubber sleeve would work on this car (unless im misunderstanding Placement location..). > > FWIW, i have three donuts per side. Two on door latch post One on window crank. However, I can state no knowledge of original location. > > Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon with chrome ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" of lever after reattaching... those suck. On most i have the chrome pushed in to eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to be inserted and no way to pull chrome out once handle is connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never slide back in to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here including card are original. > > Lets see if i can attach... > > > > > > > Derek Daily > dtdaily at yahoo.com > >>> On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king wrote: >>> >> Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. >> >>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, wrote: >>> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? >>> >>> Pic attached >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? >>>> >>>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? >>>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>>> >>>> Help please >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Jim Armstrong >>>> Mk 1A >>>> 382002083 > >> >> <4aef7790.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Wed May 27 22:48:15 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Wed, 27 May 2020 21:48:15 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> References: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <0E5A1608-088C-4505-8554-5B52B8E22496@comcast.net> Oh, maybe you are missing the spring between the escutcheon and the chrome ring? Gary Sent from my iPhone > On May 27, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Derek Daily via Tigers wrote: > > ?Hmmm, i was just going through door reassembly this weekend. Where would the rubber "sleeve" go? In my case, early MKIA ...000428, the handles are snug over the male post. In fact, as one of those original fixing pins has gone missing, i attempted to use plumbing tape over the post prior to replacing the handle pin and the handle could not slide over the thin tape. No way a rubber sleeve would work on this car (unless im misunderstanding Placement location..). > > FWIW, i have three donuts per side. Two on door latch post One on window crank. However, I can state no knowledge of original location. > > Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon with chrome ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" of lever after reattaching... those suck. On most i have the chrome pushed in to eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to be inserted and no way to pull chrome out once handle is connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never slide back in to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here including card are original. > > Lets see if i can attach... > > > > > > > Derek Daily > dtdaily at yahoo.com > >>> On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king wrote: >>> >> Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. >> >>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, wrote: >>> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? >>> >>> Pic attached >>> >>> >>> >>>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, wrote: >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? >>>> >>>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? >>>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>>> >>>> Help please >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Jim Armstrong >>>> Mk 1A >>>> 382002083 > >> >> <4aef7790.jpg> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Thu May 28 08:07:29 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 07:07:29 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week & EXHAUST In-Reply-To: <20200527235536.EEE03A02E2@autox.team.net> References: <34477102.494187.1590621398420@mail.yahoo.com> <20200527235536.EEE03A02E2@autox.team.net> Message-ID: The Alpine definitely had one. So perhaps they were at some point planning on doing the same. On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 4:59 PM jimdamelio via Tigers wrote: > I don't believe they did either. The parts book doesn't show one. > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: D or G at sbc > Date: 5/27/20 7:16 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: Buck Trippel , tigers at autox.team.net, > jimdamelio > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week & EXHAUST > > I notice they show a resonator in the tail pipe. I don't believe these was > used in production cars. > > David Franchi > > On Wednesday, May 27, 2020, 3:33:42 PM PDT, jimdamelio via Tigers < > tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > > > I was able to arrange a tour of the archive center on my trip to England > last year Any Rootes Group fan would be in heaven. All the displays, > photos and drawings are amazing. Well worth a visit. Wonderful people > too. I was about to purchase a scan of the attached drawing. It shows the > Tiger, its exhaust system, air cleaner and braking system. > > Jim D > > > > Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. > > > -------- Original message -------- > From: Buck Trippel via Tigers > Date: 5/23/20 8:16 PM (GMT-05:00) > To: tigers at autox.team.net > Subject: [Tigers] Archive Matching Donations This Week > > For those of who would like to support the Rootes Archive Center Trust's > efforts to preserve hundreds of thousands of Rootes' engineering drawings > and many other items of Rootes heritage, this is the last week to make > donations that will be matched on a dollar for dollar basis. It?s estimated > that 10-thousand of the drawings are on Alpines and Tigers. > > > > You can donate by PayPal or in many other ways. 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URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Thu May 28 09:19:50 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 08:19:50 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> References: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I've had the same problem with getting that pin out. I recall having to damage the lip once to get an awl in there to push out the pin. I've never seen that rubber piece either. I'll have to check to see if the Tiger has them. No Alpine I've had did (I've had 3 of them). But I was certainly not the original owner on any of them - though one of them was very unmolested, and somewhat low mileage when I got it in 1977. But it was a very very late SV (like one of the last 150), and various money saving things were done on the cars by then. I will say as an aside, I recall the pot metal on those door handles breaking. I got a stainless steel pair from CAT probably around 1979. Still going strong. Thank you to whomever made those! Jay On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:59 PM Derek Daily via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Hmmm, i was just going through door reassembly this weekend. Where would > the rubber "sleeve" go? In my case, early MKIA ...000428, the handles are > snug over the male post. In fact, as one of those original fixing pins has > gone missing, i attempted to use plumbing tape over the post prior to > replacing the handle pin and the handle could not slide over the thin tape. > No way a rubber sleeve would work on this car (unless im misunderstanding > Placement location..). > > FWIW, i have three donuts per side. Two on door latch post One on window > crank. However, I can state no knowledge of original location. > > Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon with chrome > ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" of lever after > reattaching... those suck. On most i have the chrome pushed in to > eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to be inserted and no way to pull > chrome out once handle is connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never > slide back in to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here > including card are original. > > Lets see if i can attach... > > > > > > Derek Daily > dtdaily at yahoo.com > > On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king > wrote: > > Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. > > On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, > wrote: > >> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The >> doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a >> rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft >> and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what >> you are looking at? >> >> Pic attached >> >> >> >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, < >> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: >> >>> Hello, >>> >>> >>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but >>> not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door >>> opener shaft? >>> >>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of >>> door around the door opening shaft? >>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>> >>> Help please >>> >>> Jim >>> >>> Jim Armstrong >>> Mk 1A >>> 382002083 >>> >> > <4aef7790.jpg> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image1.jpeg Type: image/jpeg Size: 121517 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rollright at aol.com Thu May 28 11:59:51 2020 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Thu, 28 May 2020 17:59:51 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <893859693.806141.1590688791914@mail.yahoo.com> GREAT PICTURE ! Rick returned my call and said there are donuts on both shafts. And he sells them. they come as half donuts ! Hu-ray ! Jim A In a message dated 5/28/2020 11:20:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, jay.laifman at gmail.com writes: I've had the same problem with getting that pin out.? I recall having to damage the lip once to get an awl in there to push out the pin. I've never seen that rubber piece either.? I'll have to check to see if the Tiger has them.? No Alpine I've had did (I've had 3 of them).? But I was certainly not the original owner on any of them - though one of them was very unmolested, and somewhat low mileage when I got it in 1977.? But it was a very very late SV (like one of the last 150), and various money saving things were done on the cars by then. I will say as an aside, I recall the pot metal on those door handles breaking.? I got a stainless steel pair from CAT probably around 1979.? Still going strong.? Thank you to whomever made those! Jay On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:59 PM Derek Daily via Tigers wrote: Hmmm, i was just going through door reassembly this weekend. Where would the rubber "sleeve" go? In my case, early MKIA ...000428, the handles are snug over the male post. In fact, as one of those original fixing pins has gone missing, i attempted to use plumbing tape over the post prior to replacing the handle pin and the handle could not slide over the thin tape. No way a rubber sleeve would work on this car (unless im misunderstanding Placement location..).? FWIW, i have three donuts per side. Two on door latch post One on window crank. However, I can state no knowledge of original location. Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon with chrome ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" of lever after reattaching... those suck. On most i have the chrome pushed in to eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to be inserted and no way to pull chrome out once handle is connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never slide back in to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here including card are original. Lets see if i can attach... Derek Dailydtdaily at yahoo.com On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king wrote: Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, wrote: Jim..? I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? Pic attached On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, wrote: Hello, In putting my door back together, I have a few questions:1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? 2) what the heck are part #s YX? Illus. B # s? 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft?Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up Help please Jim Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 <4aef7790.jpg> _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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I saved up and finally got the Konis (my dad already had them on the Tiger). Very expensive. But very nice. My only regret is how long it took me to spend that money. On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 8:16 AM Lance Beauchamp wrote: > I know I've asked this to many times, but now that I am back with my car > it's serious, rear shocks, these are the numbers I got from the CAT FOURM > none worked at my local napa store KYB 743019 KYB 5522. Gabriel 42340 > red rider so my question is has anyone purchased and installed rear shocks > recently on their Tiger, and numbers please! > > Beau > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com Fri May 29 09:43:43 2020 From: sosnaenergyconsulting at gmail.com (David Sosna) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:43:43 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear shocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hi: Didn't CAT sell shocks? Do they still? I've been Tigerless and in Lurk mode for some time, but perhaps that's a possible source. Best Regards David Sosna On 5/29/20 7:33 AM, Lance Beauchamp wrote: > I know I've asked this to many times, but now that I am? back with my > car it's serious,? rear shocks, these are the numbers I got from the > CAT FOURM none worked at my local? napa store? KYB 743019? ?KYB 5522.? > Gabriel? 42340 red rider so my question is has anyone purchased and > installed rear shocks recently on their Tiger, and numbers please! > > Beau > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From atwittsend at verizon.net Fri May 29 09:58:12 2020 From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:58:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear shocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: As I recall there was a run of Edelbrock shocks made. I think something like 200 and CAT sold them? Not sure on that or if there are any still available. Geez, I remember buying a set of used, rear Koni shocks at a CAT Swapmeet for about $20. Well, that was probably 15 or so years ago. On 5/29/2020 8:43 AM, David Sosna wrote: > > Hi: > > Didn't CAT sell shocks? > > Do they still? > > I've been Tigerless and in Lurk mode for some time, but perhaps that's > a possible source. > > Best Regards > > David Sosna > > On 5/29/20 7:33 AM, Lance Beauchamp wrote: >> I know I've asked this to many times, but now that I am? back with my >> car it's serious,? rear shocks, these are the numbers I got from the >> CAT FOURM none worked at my local? napa store? KYB 743019? ?KYB >> 5522.? Gabriel? 42340 red rider so my question is has anyone >> purchased and installed rear shocks recently on their Tiger, and >> numbers please! >> >> Beau >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate:http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive:http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net >> >> > > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/atwittsend at verizon.net > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri May 29 10:50:22 2020 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 09:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 In-Reply-To: <20200529123600.96EB7A0385@autox.team.net> References: <20200529123600.96EB7A0385@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <003701d635d9$43f9ad60$cbed0820$@Verizon.net> About a year or so ago a benefactor who was closing a business donated quite a bit of equipment including a pair of large format printer/plotters to the Archive. I would not be surprised if they can now scan & print over 99% of the drawings in house. That being said, the UK has suffered quite a bit from the virus and the Archive has essentially been padlocked for many months. They lost a lot of revenue from fund raising events that had to be cancelled. Now that the country is re-opening they should soon again be able to address requests. ,Those interested in prints or scans (or donating during these last few ?matching? days, ?) can refer to their website at https://www.rootesarchive.org/ Buck PS About Graham?s comments on , I?d like to add that this drawing did use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit. From: Tigers On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 5:35 AM To: Joe Brown Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Good, looks like some drawings came through. They can scan any document they have. I believe I paid 10 British pounds for this one. Shipping to the US would cost. I had to find a tube to put it in and carried it on the plane. Got the tube for free from a store we just happened to go into. They had big rolls of paper on them. Buck probably knows more about what the Archive Center will do. What drawings they have cataloged so far are arranged by part number. The rare Imp water pump was able to be reproduced using the drawings. Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Joe Brown > Date: 5/29/20 8:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: jimdamelio > Cc: "Tigers at autox.team.net " > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Do they sell full size copies of the drawings? On Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:38 AM jimdamelio via Tigers > wrote: Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 59249 bytes Desc: not available URL: From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri May 29 10:50:22 2020 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 09:50:22 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 In-Reply-To: <20200529123600.96EB7A0385@autox.team.net> References: <20200529123600.96EB7A0385@autox.team.net> Message-ID: <003701d635d9$43f9ad60$cbed0820$@Verizon.net> About a year or so ago a benefactor who was closing a business donated quite a bit of equipment including a pair of large format printer/plotters to the Archive. I would not be surprised if they can now scan & print over 99% of the drawings in house. That being said, the UK has suffered quite a bit from the virus and the Archive has essentially been padlocked for many months. They lost a lot of revenue from fund raising events that had to be cancelled. Now that the country is re-opening they should soon again be able to address requests. ,Those interested in prints or scans (or donating during these last few ?matching? days, ?) can refer to their website at https://www.rootesarchive.org/ Buck PS About Graham?s comments on , I?d like to add that this drawing did use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit. From: Tigers On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 5:35 AM To: Joe Brown Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Good, looks like some drawings came through. They can scan any document they have. I believe I paid 10 British pounds for this one. Shipping to the US would cost. I had to find a tube to put it in and carried it on the plane. Got the tube for free from a store we just happened to go into. They had big rolls of paper on them. Buck probably knows more about what the Archive Center will do. What drawings they have cataloged so far are arranged by part number. The rare Imp water pump was able to be reproduced using the drawings. Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Joe Brown > Date: 5/29/20 8:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: jimdamelio > Cc: "Tigers at autox.team.net " > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Do they sell full size copies of the drawings? On Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:38 AM jimdamelio via Tigers > wrote: Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Ron Fraser From: Tigers On Behalf Of Gary Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 12:46 AM To: Derek Daily Cc: James Armstrong ; Tiger Talk List Tiger Subject: Re: [Tigers] inside door parts questions I would assume that pictured little rubber piece goes inside the handle before you put it in the post. You must get the pin centralized in the handle, then the spring can push the ring out. The ring keeps the pin from falling out. I have used cut off nails when I have lost the pins. Gary Sent from my iPhone On May 27, 2020, at 9:01 PM, Derek Daily via Tigers > wrote: ?Hmmm, i was just going through door reassembly this weekend. Where would the rubber "sleeve" go? In my case, early MKIA ...000428, the handles are snug over the male post. In fact, as one of those original fixing pins has gone missing, i attempted to use plumbing tape over the post prior to replacing the handle pin and the handle could not slide over the thin tape. No way a rubber sleeve would work on this car (unless im misunderstanding Placement location..). FWIW, i have three donuts per side. Two on door latch post One on window crank. However, I can state no knowledge of original location. Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon with chrome ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" of lever after reattaching... those suck. On most i have the chrome pushed in to eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to be inserted and no way to pull chrome out once handle is connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never slide back in to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here including card are original. Lets see if i can attach... Derek Daily dtdaily at yahoo.com On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king > wrote: Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, > wrote: Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? Pic attached On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, > wrote: Hello, In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door opener shaft? 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of door around the door opening shaft? 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Jim Armstrong ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ The rubber widget is pressed into the handle cavity. 9122188 rubber pad listed for door handle and window regulator I dug one of these pads out of a spare window regulator handle. The spare door handle I have did not have a rubber pad. Dimensions - .35? x .384? .293? thick Material ? rubber with some spring force ? I?m not the durometer specialist so not sure how to express this property Part is tampered so the Rootes drawing would be needed to see the exact dimensions. Ron Fraser -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From rollright at aol.com Fri May 29 16:49:08 2020 From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 22:49:08 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned References: <1372546063.1313391.1590792548550.ref@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1372546063.1313391.1590792548550@mail.yahoo.com> Gentlemen, First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always. What I learned:- both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) felt donuts or four half donuts(4)? ? ? ? ? ?per? door to set up proper door panel position and rigidity- Rick has these in stock if you need them- the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle tubes in the actuator insertion cavity. ??Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; Dimensions - .35? x .384?? ? ? ? .293? thick - the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar with or without spring. If not, make it so.- The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted with a positive stop. Almost no-one has? ? ? ? ? ? ?these today and new ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assembly effort required but OK- remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating plate that goes from the handle area? ? ? ?to the latch and travels right over the big window mechanism opening in the door? ? You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on? ? ? ? ? ? ?door closer/slam Thanks to all that contributed and lent a hand! Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC #.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Fri May 29 17:02:12 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 16:02:12 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned In-Reply-To: <1372546063.1313391.1590792548550@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1372546063.1313391.1590792548550.ref@mail.yahoo.com> <1372546063.1313391.1590792548550@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Ok, I'm going to add some more here. (1) On the door opening bar, on my Series 3, there was a small wire clip that went around both sides of the bar. It is a wire, bent 180* in the middle. Kind of like a hairclip. The open end would go around the bar, then into a small hole on one side of the channel. The closed end had a little loop (again, like a hairclip). A screw went through that into a small hole just above the channel. This helped keep the bar from bowing out or possibly rattling. I did not see this in the SIV I had. So many this never made it to Tigers. (2) On my very late SV, there was a thin piece of felt glued into the channel (and no wire clip), that I presume was their to avoid rattle. Maybe that is what you are talking about in your last bullet. On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 3:49 PM James Armstrong via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Gentlemen, > > First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always. > > What I learned: > - both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) > felt donuts or four half donuts(4) per door to set up proper > door panel position and rigidity > - Rick has these in stock if you need them > - the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle > tubes in the actuator insertion cavity. > Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; *Dimensions - .35? > x .384? .293? thick * > - the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar with > or without spring. If not, make it so. > - The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted > with a positive stop. Almost no-one has these today and new > ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assembly effort required but OK > - remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating > plate that goes from the handle area to the latch and travels right > over the big window mechanism opening in the door > You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of > dampener. Prevents a major rattle on door closer/slam > > Thanks to all that contributed and lent a hand! > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 LRXFE > Code 86 > TAC #.... > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jbsyv at yahoo.com Fri May 29 17:10:23 2020 From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 16:10:23 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Rear shocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Doesn?t Rick still have shocks? That?s where I got mine (Sunbeam Specialties) I think, without looking, there are 3 different types to choose from. Or, did I miss something here? > On May 29, 2020, at 8:43 AM, David Sosna wrote: > > Hi: > > Didn't CAT sell shocks? > > Do they still? > > I've been Tigerless and in Lurk mode for some time, but perhaps that's a possible source. > > Best Regards > > David Sosna > > On 5/29/20 7:33 AM, Lance Beauchamp wrote: >> I know I've asked this to many times, but now that I am back with my car it's serious, rear shocks, these are the numbers I got from the CAT FOURM none worked at my local napa store KYB 743019 KYB 5522. Gabriel 42340 red rider so my question is has anyone purchased and installed rear shocks recently on their Tiger, and numbers please! >> >> Beau >> >> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From orr4sale at sbcglobal.net Fri May 29 18:39:00 2020 From: orr4sale at sbcglobal.net (D or G at sbc) Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 00:39:00 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [Tigers] Rear shocks In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <561193914.1320538.1590799140038@mail.yahoo.com> They are also available on eBay. David https://www.ebay.com/sch/i.html?_sacat=0&_udlo=&_udhi=&_ftrt=901&_ftrv=1&_sabdlo=&_sabdhi=&_samilow=&_samihi=&_sadis=15&_stpos=94605-5640&_dmd=1&_ipg=50&_fosrp=1&_nkw=KYB+743019&_sop=15 On Friday, May 29, 2020, 5:06:30 PM PDT, Jim B via Tigers wrote: Doesn?t Rick still have shocks? That?s where I got mine (Sunbeam Specialties) I think, without looking, there are 3 different types to choose from. Or, did I miss something here? > On May 29, 2020, at 8:43 AM, David Sosna wrote: > >?? Hi: Didn't CAT sell shocks? Do they still? I've been Tigerless and in Lurk mode for some time, but perhaps that's a possible source. Best Regards David Sosna On 5/29/20 7:33 AM, Lance Beauchamp wrote: >?? I know I've asked this to many times, but now that I am? back with my car it's serious,? rear shocks, these are the numbers I got from the CAT FOURM none worked at my local? napa store? KYB 743019? ?KYB 5522.? Gabriel? 42340 red rider so my question is has anyone purchased and installed rear shocks recently on their Tiger, and numbers please! Beau _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/sosnaenergyconsulting at cox.net _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbsyv at yahoo.com _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/orr4sale at sbcglobal.net From jimdamelio at verizon.net Sat May 30 07:46:17 2020 From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio) Date: Sat, 30 May 2020 09:46:17 -0400 Subject: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned In-Reply-To: <1372546063.1313391.1590792548550@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Attached are two pictures of a NOS door handle buffer 9122188.? Hard to tell the dimensions, but I'd say it's 5/16.? It's not real hard rubber.? You can squeeze the shut.Jim DSent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message --------From: James Armstrong via Tigers Date: 5/29/20 6:49 PM (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Cc: sunsp22 at comcast.net Subject: [Tigers] Door project; what I learned Gentlemen, First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always. What I learned: - both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) felt donuts or four half donuts(4)? ? ? ? ? ?per? door to set up proper door panel position and rigidity - Rick has these in stock if you need them - the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle tubes in the actuator insertion cavity.??Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; Dimensions - .35? x .384?? ? ? ? .293? thick - the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar with or without spring. If not, make it so. - The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted with a positive stop. Almost no-one has? ? ? ? ? ? ?these today and new ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assembly effort required but OK - remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating plate that goes from the handle area? ? ? ?to the latch and travels right over the big window mechanism opening in the door ? ? You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of dampener. Prevents a major rattle on? ? ? ? ? ? ?door closer/slam Thanks to all that contributed and lent a hand! Jim Armstrong Mk 1A 382002083 LRXFE Code 86 TAC #.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Can somebody verify what the total thickness of one of the full donuts is? One of mine that still looks good measures .33", but it might have swollen up over the years. Thanks, Joe Brown On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 5:50 PM James Armstrong via Tigers < tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: > Gentlemen, > > First off, you are terrific and we are better together. Always. > > What I learned: > - both the window crank shaft and the door opening shaft each use two (2) > felt donuts or four half donuts(4) per door to set up proper > door panel position and rigidity > - Rick has these in stock if you need them > - the door handle and the window crank have very small rubber anti-rattle > tubes in the actuator insertion cavity. > Dr. Ron Fraser gave the dimensions, tentatively as; *Dimensions - .35? > x .384? .293? thick * > - the chrome collar should slide easily into the black plastic collar with > or without spring. If not, make it so. > - The original fixing pins were tapered so that they could be inserted > with a positive stop. Almost no-one has these today and new > ones have been fabricated from nails. Extra assembly effort required but OK > - remember to check for anti-rattle padding behind the door flat actuating > plate that goes from the handle area to the latch and travels right > over the big window mechanism opening in the door > You'll see traces of old glue where it was. You can use any kind of > dampener. Prevents a major rattle on door closer/slam > > Thanks to all that contributed and lent a hand! > > Jim Armstrong > Mk 1A > 382002083 LRXFE > Code 86 > TAC #.... > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jay.laifman at gmail.com Fri May 29 08:36:18 2020 From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 07:36:18 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Ohhhh. Now that you say that, I do believe there is a little black piece of rubber inside the hole of the handle! On Fri, May 29, 2020 at 7:03 AM Gary wrote: > Hi Michael, > I just noticed what you said.. > > The springs don't go behind the bakelite escutcheon but in front of.. > between the escutcheon and the > chrome ring, they push the escutcheon against the door trim (so it doesn't > drag, chrome against chrome > slips more easily). > Also, I am thinking that the rubber piece goes inside the handle, not > "around" anything.. ?? > Gary > > > On 5/27/2020 8:16 PM, michael king wrote: > > Hey Gary, > > Yes the springs are used behind the bakerlite escutcheons but that keeps > them from dragging on the door trims when rotating and keeps them pished > out over the pins that hold the handles on. The rubbers prevent the handle > rattling on the shaft. > > And yes the horn ring arrived at my friends...but its yet to work its way > to me yet... 2020.... Urgh > > On Thu., 28 May 2020, 13:08 Gary, wrote: > >> Well that?s interesting, have never seen >> those rubber pieces in all my years of Tigering. >> Was that a late mod? My MK1s have springs >> behind the chrome ring that keeps them >> from rattling. >> >> Hi Michael! Did you ever get the horn ring? >> Gary Winblad >> >> Sent from my iPhone >> >> On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king >> wrote: >> >> ? >> Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. >> >> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, >> wrote: >> >>> Jim.. I havent got access to the manuals in front of me... But.. The >>> doors have the felt spacers on the winder and handle. They also had a >>> rubber spacer sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the shaft >>> and the handle slips over those so stop them rattling.. Maybe thats what >>> you are looking at? >>> >>> Pic attached >>> >>> >>> >>> On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via Tigers, < >>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: >>> >>>> Hello, >>>> >>>> >>>> In putting my door back together, I have a few questions: >>>> 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window winder shaft (shown but >>>> not called out in Alpine parts manual) and is there another on the door >>>> opener shaft? >>>> >>>> 2) what the heck are part #s YX Illus. B # s 98 and 98/1 inside of >>>> door around the door opening shaft? >>>> Also in the Alpine parts manual Series 3 and up >>>> >>>> Help please >>>> >>>> Jim >>>> >>>> Jim Armstrong >>>> Mk 1A >>>> 382002083 LRXFE >>>> Code 86 >>>> TAC #.... >>>> _______________________________________________ >>>> >>>> tigers at autox.team.net >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >>>> http://autox.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe: >>>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/michael.s.king at gmail.com >>>> >>>> >>>> <4aef7790.jpg> >> _______________________________________________ >> >> tigers at autox.team.net >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers >> http://autox.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/garywinblad at comcast.net >> >> >> > _______________________________________________ > > tigers at autox.team.net > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers > http://autox.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jay.laifman at gmail.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From garywinblad at comcast.net Fri May 29 09:56:48 2020 From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 08:56:48 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] inside door parts questions In-Reply-To: <893859693.806141.1590688791914@mail.yahoo.com> References: <817D0B38-3631-46A6-A422-D7C6DF8D832F@yahoo.com> <893859693.806141.1590688791914@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Oh yeah... My MK1 did have half donuts glued on the back of the door panel around the shafts..? must be what Rick sells.? I can't remember if the originals were foam rubber or felt... Gary On 5/28/2020 10:59 AM, James Armstrong via Tigers wrote: > GREAT PICTURE ! > > Rick returned my call and said there are donuts on both shafts. > > And he sells them. they come as half donuts ! > > Hu-ray ! > > Jim A > > In a message dated 5/28/2020 11:20:48 AM Eastern Standard Time, > jay.laifman at gmail.com writes: > > I've had the same problem with getting that pin out.? I recall > having to damage the lip once to get an awl in there to push out > the pin. > > I've never seen that rubber piece either.? I'll have to check to > see if the Tiger has them.? No Alpine I've had did (I've had 3 of > them).? But I was certainly not the original owner on any of them > - though one of them was very unmolested, and somewhat low mileage > when I got it in 1977.? But it was a very very late SV (like one > of the last 150), and various money saving things were done on the > cars by then. > > I will say as an aside, I recall the pot metal on those door > handles breaking.? I got a stainless steel pair from CAT probably > around 1979.? Still going strong.? Thank you to whomever made those! > > Jay > > > > On Wed, May 27, 2020 at 8:59 PM Derek Daily via Tigers > > wrote: > > Hmmm, i was just going through door reassembly this weekend. > Where would the rubber "sleeve" go? In my case, early MKIA > ...000428, the handles are snug over the male post. In fact, > as one of those original fixing pins has gone missing, i > attempted to use plumbing tape over the post prior to > replacing the handle pin and the handle could not slide over > the thin tape. No way a rubber sleeve would work on this car > (unless im misunderstanding Placement location..). > > FWIW, i have three donuts per side. Two on door latch post One > on window crank. However, I can state no knowledge of original > location. > > Also: while we on on this Door topic, about the escutcheon > with chrome ring and spring to mate from door card to "base" > of lever after reattaching... those suck. On most i have the > chrome pushed in to eacutcheon far enough to allow the pin to > be inserted and no way to pull chrome out once handle is > connected. Even if i did, the chrome would never slide back in > to allow handle pin removal Ever again. All hardware here > including card are original. > > Lets see if i can attach... > > > > > > Derek Daily > dtdaily at yahoo.com > > On May 27, 2020, at 6:09 PM, michael king > > wrote: > > Sorry photo didn't attach...the anti rattle rubber. > > On Thu., 28 May 2020, 11:08 michael king, > > wrote: > > Jim..? I havent got access to the manuals in front of > me... But.. The doors have the felt spacers on the > winder and handle. They also had a rubber spacer > sleeve that was used on the handles that goes over the > shaft and the handle slips over those so stop them > rattling.. Maybe thats what you are looking at? > > Pic attached > > > > On Thu., 28 May 2020, 08:59 James Armstrong via > Tigers, > wrote: > > Hello, > > > In putting my door back together, I have a few > questions: > 1) are there two felt donuts, one on the window > winder shaft (shown but not called out in Alpine > parts manual) and is there another on the door > opener shaft? > > 2) what the heck are part #s YX? Illus. 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URL: From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri May 29 12:16:28 2020 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 11:16:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 In-Reply-To: <003701d635d9$43f9ad60$cbed0820$@Verizon.net> References: <20200529123600.96EB7A0385@autox.team.net> <003701d635d9$43f9ad60$cbed0820$@Verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001d635e5$4e13c630$ea3b5290$@Verizon.net> Oops! Typo! When I wrote, ?PS About Graham?s comments on , I?d like to add that this drawing did use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit.? ?I for got the word ?not?. It should have said ? ?that this drawing did not use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit. buck From: Tigers On Behalf Of Buck Trippel via Tigers Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:50 AM To: 'jimdamelio' ; 'Joe Brown' Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 About a year or so ago a benefactor who was closing a business donated quite a bit of equipment including a pair of large format printer/plotters to the Archive. I would not be surprised if they can now scan & print over 99% of the drawings in house. That being said, the UK has suffered quite a bit from the virus and the Archive has essentially been padlocked for many months. They lost a lot of revenue from fund raising events that had to be cancelled. Now that the country is re-opening they should soon again be able to address requests. ,Those interested in prints or scans (or donating during these last few ?matching? days, ?) can refer to their website at https://www.rootesarchive.org/ Buck PS About Graham?s comments on , I?d like to add that this drawing did use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit. From: Tigers > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 5:35 AM To: Joe Brown > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Good, looks like some drawings came through. They can scan any document they have. I believe I paid 10 British pounds for this one. Shipping to the US would cost. I had to find a tube to put it in and carried it on the plane. Got the tube for free from a store we just happened to go into. They had big rolls of paper on them. Buck probably knows more about what the Archive Center will do. What drawings they have cataloged so far are arranged by part number. The rare Imp water pump was able to be reproduced using the drawings. Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Joe Brown > Date: 5/29/20 8:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: jimdamelio > Cc: "Tigers at autox.team.net " > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Do they sell full size copies of the drawings? On Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:38 AM jimdamelio via Tigers > wrote: Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 59249 bytes Desc: not available URL: From BuckTrippel at Verizon.net Fri May 29 12:16:28 2020 From: BuckTrippel at Verizon.net (Buck Trippel) Date: Fri, 29 May 2020 11:16:28 -0700 Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 In-Reply-To: <003701d635d9$43f9ad60$cbed0820$@Verizon.net> References: <20200529123600.96EB7A0385@autox.team.net> <003701d635d9$43f9ad60$cbed0820$@Verizon.net> Message-ID: <000001d635e5$4e13c630$ea3b5290$@Verizon.net> Oops! Typo! When I wrote, ?PS About Graham?s comments on , I?d like to add that this drawing did use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit.? ?I for got the word ?not?. It should have said ? ?that this drawing did not use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit. buck From: Tigers On Behalf Of Buck Trippel via Tigers Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 9:50 AM To: 'jimdamelio' ; 'Joe Brown' Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 About a year or so ago a benefactor who was closing a business donated quite a bit of equipment including a pair of large format printer/plotters to the Archive. I would not be surprised if they can now scan & print over 99% of the drawings in house. That being said, the UK has suffered quite a bit from the virus and the Archive has essentially been padlocked for many months. They lost a lot of revenue from fund raising events that had to be cancelled. Now that the country is re-opening they should soon again be able to address requests. ,Those interested in prints or scans (or donating during these last few ?matching? days, ?) can refer to their website at https://www.rootesarchive.org/ Buck PS About Graham?s comments on , I?d like to add that this drawing did use the standard format Rootes drafting sheets. I assume this was because of the oversized nature of the drawing, but it?s on my ?to do? research list the next time I visit. From: Tigers > On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 5:35 AM To: Joe Brown > Cc: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Good, looks like some drawings came through. They can scan any document they have. I believe I paid 10 British pounds for this one. Shipping to the US would cost. I had to find a tube to put it in and carried it on the plane. Got the tube for free from a store we just happened to go into. They had big rolls of paper on them. Buck probably knows more about what the Archive Center will do. What drawings they have cataloged so far are arranged by part number. The rare Imp water pump was able to be reproduced using the drawings. Jim D Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. -------- Original message -------- From: Joe Brown > Date: 5/29/20 8:17 AM (GMT-05:00) To: jimdamelio > Cc: "Tigers at autox.team.net " > Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Drawing #4 Do they sell full size copies of the drawings? On Fri, May 29, 2020, 6:38 AM jimdamelio via Tigers > wrote: Sent from my Samsung Galaxy smartphone. _______________________________________________ tigers at autox.team.net Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archive Unsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jbbrown1980 at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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