From srwick at hotmail.com  Fri Dec  3 19:14:47 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

Steve
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Dec  3 22:02:32 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 00:02:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary


>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission. 
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
> 
>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
> 
>     Steve
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From deiland1 at att.net  Fri Dec  3 22:29:12 2021
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 05:29:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android 
 
  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  4 07:22:20 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 09:22:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it
came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng
into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.
My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  Beau

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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 +0000
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20
years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the
wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due
to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was
completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that
now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure
if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and
from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind
me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the
bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car
lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform,
block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down
and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to
the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and
why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to
"refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare
car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun
with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam
302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability,
reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the
car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff
installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

Steve
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and
if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.
I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked
slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary


>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:
>
>
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger
for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with
the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due
to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
transmission.
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My
car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of
red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black.
I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the
top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way
behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from
the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car
lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform,
block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down
and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front
crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to
the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and
why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to
"refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare
car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun
with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam
302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability,
reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the
car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff
installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>
>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>
>     Steve
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From: Daniel Eiland <deiland1 at att.net>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer
your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car,
so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body
color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they
dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier
and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine
and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more
or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the
work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay
with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them
properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to
return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your
modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android

  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P
{margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear
with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I
had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded
several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100
miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the
unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating
the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the
original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I
was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the
engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted,
inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious
help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to
repaint everything
 , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people
pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my
bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of
the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to
attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the
car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar
and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air,
minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission,
strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would
be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are
out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want
to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive
and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using
a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
 f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power,
etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original
engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock
units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
Steve_______________________________________________

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From jvparlanti at gmail.com  Sat Dec  4 08:02:26 2021
From: jvparlanti at gmail.com (jvparlanti at gmail.com)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 10:02:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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Steve,
 
1.	The engine compartment color should be the body color.
2.	I?ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) on the ground. You?ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
3.	I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale?s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.
 
Hope this helps,
 
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I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.
My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  Beau 
 
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

Steve
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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary


>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:
> 
> 
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission. 
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
> 
>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
> 
>     Steve
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From: Daniel Eiland <deiland1 at att.net <mailto:deiland1 at att.net> >
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

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  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
 , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
 f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  4 08:11:40 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 15:11:40 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Normally I would have dived right in and got the thing running right, but had several other projects lined up before it. I finished a '69 XL convertible with my son, a '68 California Special Mustang, '73 Mach 1 and '70 Cougar XR7. The Tiger started having problems in the middle of these and I didn't want to tear another car apart in the middle of the chaos. It started with a shorted wire at the alternator conversion that was done by the previous owner. The ammeter acted like a fuse and I lost all power at 70 mph on the freeway and had to coast to the side with no signals or lights. After that, I had fuel pump issues, where the electric pump would just randomly stop running while I was driving. It would sometimes come back in a half hour, sometimes several days later, so I was afraid to drive very far from home. Changing pumps didn't make a difference. The last 10 years or so, I've had two moves for jobs, 5 surgeries, and now a move for retirement, and I haven't spun a wrench except for maintenance, so the Tiger just sat. Now I'm ready to put in a new wiring harness with proper fuses and get this thing running like it should.

Steve

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To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>; steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions

Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary

On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

Steve
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  4 08:13:39 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 10:13:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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Thanks for the info. Great explanation of the process.

On Sat, Dec 4, 2021, 10:02 AM <jvparlanti at gmail.com> wrote:

> Steve,
>
>
>
>    1. The engine compartment color should be the body color.
>    2. I?ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the
>    way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread
>    them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through
>    a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While
>    supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember
>    bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on
>    it) on the ground. You?ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get
>    it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car.
>    Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly.
>    Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the
>    transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the
>    cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
>    3. I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I
>    went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a
>    baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed
>    Dale?s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.
>
>
>
> Hope this helps,
>
>
>
> JVP
>
>
>
>
>
>
>          16048 Copen Meadow Dr
>         North Potomac, MD 20878
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>
>       Email - jvparlanti at gmail.com
>
>
>
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> *Subject:* [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
>
>
>
> I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over
> it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh
> eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.
>
> My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.
> Beau
>
>
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> This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20
> years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the
> wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
> years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due
> to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
> through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
> getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
> throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
> transmission.
>   First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car
> was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red
> that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I
> figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>   Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top
> and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way
> behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from
> the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car
> lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform,
> block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down
> and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front
> crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to
> the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and
> why?
>   Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to
> "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare
> car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun
> with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam
> 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability,
> reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the
> car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff
> installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>
> Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>
> Steve
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> Steve,
>
> Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
> A full restore is always nice though.
> Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and
> if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
> A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go
> back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
> and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
> I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked
> slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
> Gary
>
>
> >     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger
> for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with
> the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
> years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due
> to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
> through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
> getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
> throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
> transmission.
> >       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My
> car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of
> red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black.
> I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
> >       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the
> top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way
> behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from
> the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car
> lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform,
> block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down
> and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front
> crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to
> the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and
> why?
> >       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to
> "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare
> car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun
> with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam
> 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability,
> reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the
> car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff
> installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
> >
> >     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
> >
> >     Steve
> >     _______________________________________________
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>         <tigers at autox.team.net>
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> Steve,
> I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer
> your questions, but my input is free.
> On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car,
> so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body
> color. Entire car was painted body color.
> Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they
> dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier
> and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine
> and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
> Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any
> more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as
> all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is
> to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and
> store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner
> wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt
> your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
> Hope this helps a little.?
> Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner
>
> Sent from AT&T Yahoo Mail on Android
>
>   On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<
> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P
> {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear
> with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I
> had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded
> several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100
> miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the
> unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating
> the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the
> original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I
> was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the
> engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted,
> inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious
> help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to
> repaint everything
>  , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people
> pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my
> bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of
> the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to
> attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the
> car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar
> and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air,
> minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission,
> strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would
> be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are
> out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want
> to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive
> and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using
> a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
>  f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power,
> etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original
> engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock
> units?
> Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
> Steve_______________________________________________
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  4 08:15:50 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 15:15:50 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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Thanks to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm doing. ?

Steve

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Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:02 AM
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal


Steve,



  1.  The engine compartment color should be the body color.
  2.  I?ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) on the ground. You?ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
  3.  I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale?s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.



Hope this helps,



JVP





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         16048 Copen Meadow Dr
        North Potomac, MD 20878
             Cell - 410-599-5475

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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal



I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.

My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  Beau



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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 +0000
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

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From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary


>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>
>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>
>     Steve
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

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  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
 , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
 f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sat Dec  4 09:33:46 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 11:33:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.  That also keeps the wheels, steering, and brakes working for moving the body
around for body and paint!
Poor photo attached.  I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low profile engine/tranny dolly I made.
Gary


>     On 12/04/2021 10:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Thanks to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm doing. ?
> 
>     Steve
> 
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Parlanti via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:02 AM
>     To: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
> 
>     Steve,
>      
>        1. The engine compartment color should be the body color.
>        2. I?ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) on the ground. You?ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
>        3. I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale?s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.
>      
>     Hope this helps,
>      
>     JVP
>      
>      
> 
>              16048 Copen Meadow Dr
>             North Potomac, MD 20878
>                  Cell - 410-599-5475
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>      
>     From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
>     Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM
>     To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
> 
>     I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.
>     My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  Beau 
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>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
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>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
> 
>     Steve
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>     Steve,
> 
>     Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
>     A full restore is always nice though.
>     Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
>     A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
>     and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
>     I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
>     Gary
> 
> 
>     >     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
>     >
>     >
>     >     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
>     >       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>     >       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>     >       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>     >
>     >     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>     >
>     >     Steve
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>     Steve,
>     I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.
>     On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.
>     Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
>     Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
>     Hope this helps a little.?
>     Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner
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>       On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
>      , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
>      f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Dec  4 10:00:05 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 12:00:05 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve

                Looks like your getting good advice from many.

Fuel and electrical problem - what are the odds.

 

I can remember tickling the fuel pump to keep me going a few times.  Moved
fuel pump to trunk, now a cube type fuel pump.

 

I had problems with the Voltage Regulator for many years, then I finally
figured out how to do an alternator conversion by making the VR into a
junction box - no more electrical gremlins -  the Lucas smoke stays in.

 

Q 1 - body color - many Tigers have part of the front grille area painted
black - not sure Midnight Blue needs that.

 

Q 2 - I pulled the engine out the bottom - supported the body, used engine
hoist to hold and drop the engine onto a low cart,

Tilt lifted the body up - 2 people to pick body up and roll body back on
rear wheels

 

Q 3 - IMO there is nothing wrong with the 260 engine - I would rebuild it
but that is me.

 

Generally changing the engine will do little to change the value but I would
keep the original engine with the car.

 

Understand that the Tiger chassis is just barely adequate to handle the
torque of the 260.   The rear spring perches must be inspected for cracks.
I would suggest you buy and install the kit from Tom Hall.

 

For the original engine - please go to the TE/AE web site and fill out the
online Original Tiger Engine Study.

 <https://teae.org/tiger-engine-study/> Tiger Engine Study - TigersEast
AlpinesEast (teae.org)

 

Also, anyone who has in the past filled out one of my Original Tiger Engine
Study worksheets, please fill out the online form.

I'm not transferring the information I gathered due to much of it being out
of date plus over the years the worksheet has grown with additional
questions.   As always there is no need to pull your engine apart for any of
this, I'm only asking for visible casting numbers and dates unless your
engine is apart and thus more information can be gathered.

 

Any original Ford engine part questions - I'll be glad to help.

 

Thanks

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of steve wick via
Tigers
Sent: Friday, December 03, 2021 9:15 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions

 

This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20
years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the
wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to
work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
transmission. 

  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was
completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that
now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure
if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.

  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and
from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me,
so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom.
I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can
position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the
frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the
whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove
the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the
top. Which would be the best way, and why?

  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to
"refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare
car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with,
without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302
and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability,
small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having
the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs.
rebuilding the stock units?

 

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

 

Steve

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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Sat Dec  4 12:10:42 2021
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 14:10:42 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve,
I've dropped the engine/transmission maybe eight or nine times out of
various Tigers. It's usually a one-man operation for me with just an engine
crane, a couple heavy duty dollies, a couple floor jacks, and several jack
stands.Attached are some documents I've accumulated that describe various
ways to do it,  and a link to my buddy Duke S. youtube video. There are
also other youtube videos out there and plenty of instructions on the
TE/AE, STOA, and CAT sites. It takes me about three hours to do it by
myself now as I'm old and slow.

Bugz

https://youtu.be/A13lFqRls-U


On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 9:15 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20
> years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the
> wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10
> years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due
> to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going
> through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus,
> getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue)
> throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and
> transmission.
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Sat Dec  4 15:02:39 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 14:02:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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The roller cam 302 is a nice upgrade. Others who have done the swap can 
better advise but the bellhousing you now have is a 5 bolt and the 302 
bellhousing is a 6 bolt. The bolt pattern on the Toploader 4 speed is 
the older style. I'm not 100% sure but some bellhousings I believe have 
both transmission bolt patterns. Also, as I recall there was a (likely 
rare) cast iron bellhousing that have both 5 and 6 bolt block 
arrangement. I believe certain scatter shields had that too. You will 
need the 302 flywheel and there are different teeth counts on the 
flywheel. So, how that all mates up with the starter I do not know.? As 
I said, others have done the swap and can best advise. I just know what 
the potential issues are..., not how to solve them.


Keep us posted on the project. It can be inspirational (says the guy 
whose Tiger has been on jackstands for almost 22 years now). And yes, I 
can understand how the interruptions happen and the desire to not have 
multiple cars disassembled and scattered about. All the best.



On 12/3/2021 6:14 PM, steve wick via Tigers wrote:
> This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger 
> for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems 
> with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. 
> The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per 
> year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability 
> issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the 
> wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the 
> original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of 
> that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
> ? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My 
> car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some 
> shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was 
> painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as 
> well do it right.
> ? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the 
> top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are 
> way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I 
> pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I 
> have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the 
> edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain 
> the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the 
> front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the 
> engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be 
> the best way, and why?
> ? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to 
> "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a 
> rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and 
> have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering 
> using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts 
> availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I 
> hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny 
> available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>
> Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>
> Steve
>
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Sat Dec  4 15:52:45 2021
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 17:52:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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The 302 rotating assembly can be fitted to a 5 bolt 289 block, enabling the stock top loader to be used if desired.

I?m unsure about a roller cam but hydraulic lifter and solid lifter cams should?t be a problem.

I?m running a 302 rotating assembly paired to the Holman Moody hydraulic lifter version of the 289 HIPO cam with big valve
Aluminum heads and CAT headers.

The stock toploader was kept although I?m considering the addition of a 5 speed.

This isn?t as radical a setup as a roller cam provides but is a good option for a more warm than hot setup.

Allan Ballard
-Atlanta




> On Dec 4, 2021, at 5:02 PM, Tom Witt via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> The roller cam 302 is a nice upgrade. Others who have done the swap can better advise but the bellhousing you now have is a 5 bolt and the 302 bellhousing is a 6 bolt. The bolt pattern on the Toploader 4 speed is the older style. I'm not 100% sure but some bellhousings I believe have both transmission bolt patterns.  Also, as I recall there was a (likely rare) cast iron bellhousing that have both 5 and 6 bolt block arrangement. I believe certain scatter shields had that too. You will need the 302 flywheel and there are different teeth counts on the flywheel. So, how that all mates up with the starter I do not know.  As I said, others have done the swap and can best advise. I just know what the potential issues are..., not how to solve them.
> 
> Keep us posted on the project. It can be inspirational (says the guy whose Tiger has been on jackstands for almost 22 years now). And yes, I can understand how the interruptions happen and the desire to not have multiple cars disassembled and scattered about. All the best.
> 
> 
> On 12/3/2021 6:14 PM, steve wick via Tigers wrote:
>> This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission. 
>>   First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>>   Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>>   Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>> 
>> Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>> 
>> Steve
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From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 18:58:43 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] =?utf-8?q?CNN_fires_anchor_Chris_Cuomo_after_new_detail?=
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> https://www.al.com/news/2021/12/cnn-fires-anchor-chris-cuomo-after-new-details-emerge-on-help-with-brother-andrews-scandal.html?fbclid=IwAR1pkMNpgPJkqKLdQ7LwWG7tpMkHkHB8ICng8EF18sqpoHZ2nrHosjVSHKE <https://www.al.com/news/2021/12/cnn-fires-anchor-chris-cuomo-after-new-details-emerge-on-help-with-brother-andrews-scandal.html?fbclid=IwAR1pkMNpgPJkqKLdQ7LwWG7tpMkHkHB8ICng8EF18sqpoHZ2nrHosjVSHKE>
> ?We have retained a respected law firm to conduct the review, and have terminated him, effective immediately,? CNN said in a statement.

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From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 08:01:17 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] 
	=?utf-8?q?CNN_fires_anchor_Chris_Cuomo_after_new_detail?=
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Allan. Which part is this Chris guy looking for? Or is he trying to buy a
Tiger?

Maybe accidental email to the list?

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> https://www.al.com/news/2021/12/cnn-fires-anchor-chris-
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> ?We have retained a respected law firm to conduct the review, and have
> terminated him, effective immediately,? CNN said in a statement.
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> Despite the termination, we will investigate as appropriate.?
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From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 19:09:33 -0500
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Typo. 
Sorry for the news item being sent to this list.

> On Dec 4, 2021, at 7:01 PM, michael king <michael.s.king at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Allan. Which part is this Chris guy looking for? Or is he trying to buy a Tiger? 
> 
> Maybe accidental email to the list?
> 
> On Sunday, 5 December 2021, Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
> 
>> https://www.al.com/news/2021/12/cnn-fires-anchor-chris-cuomo-after-new-details-emerge-on-help-with-brother-andrews-scandal.html?fbclid=IwAR1pkMNpgPJkqKLdQ7LwWG7tpMkHkHB8ICng8EF18sqpoHZ2nrHosjVSHKE <https://www.al.com/news/2021/12/cnn-fires-anchor-chris-cuomo-after-new-details-emerge-on-help-with-brother-andrews-scandal.html?fbclid=IwAR1pkMNpgPJkqKLdQ7LwWG7tpMkHkHB8ICng8EF18sqpoHZ2nrHosjVSHKE>
>> ?We have retained a respected law firm to conduct the review, and have terminated him, effective immediately,? CNN said in a statement.
> 
>> ?While in the process of that review, additional information has come to light.
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Sat Dec  4 22:34:10 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 05:34:10 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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Well that would save a lot of time. I'll have to look at it closer when I get ready to put it on the lift. I was going to strip the interior and dash first while it's on the ground, and work out from there.

Steve

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal

If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.  That also keeps the wheels, steering, and brakes working for moving the body
around for body and paint!
Poor photo attached.  I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low profile engine/tranny dolly I made.
Gary

On 12/04/2021 10:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


Thanks to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm doing. ?

Steve


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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal


Steve,



  1.  The engine compartment color should be the body color.
  2.  I?ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) on the ground. You?ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
  3.  I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale?s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.



Hope this helps,



JVP





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Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM
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Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal


I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.

My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  Beau


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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 02:14:47 +0000
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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary


>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
>
>
>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>
>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>
>     Steve
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From: Daniel Eiland <deiland1 at att.net<mailto:deiland1 at att.net>>
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Engine removal/ paint questions
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

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  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
 , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
 f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Sun Dec  5 09:30:32 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Sun, 5 Dec 2021 11:30:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR06MB83565D00703188770D83C5ECD86C9@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <mailman.495.1638595770.13630.tigers@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <928718577.1451802.1638721832507@connect.xfinity.com>

Remove radiator, headers, carb, etc.
Slide it forward out of x-frame, let tranny end down and drop it out.  Push the button and raise Tiger off the top.
Gary


>     On 12/05/2021 12:34 AM steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Well that would save a lot of time. I'll have to look at it closer when I get ready to put it on the lift. I was going to strip the interior and dash first while it's on the ground, and work out from there.
> 
>     Steve
> 
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
>     Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 8:33 AM
>     To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>; steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>; jvparlanti at gmail.com <jvparlanti at gmail.com>
>     Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
> 
>     If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.  That also keeps the wheels, steering, and brakes working for moving the body
>     around for body and paint!
>     Poor photo attached.  I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low profile engine/tranny dolly I made.
>     Gary
> 
> 
>         > >         On 12/04/2021 10:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >         Thanks to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm doing. ?
> > 
> >         Steve
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
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From rollright at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 16:56:45 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 23:56:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?From the pictures that I've got, there appears to be 6 clips that fasten the lug wrench and the jack to the trunk floor.?I'm in possession of (4) small clips, (2) medium, and one large clip.?Where do they go, on which tool and so on? Help!
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From gammaman at mokancomm.net  Tue Dec  7 17:17:31 2021
From: gammaman at mokancomm.net (Richard Bruner)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 18:17:31 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c39d29ba72d5de77e7fa57d34ee7dce6.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>



I don't know how helpful this will be, but it is the only one I could find
of my trunk.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Tue Dec  7 17:33:45 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 19:33:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <002a01d7ebcb$43286c10$c9794430$@bluefrog.com>

Jim 

                There are a couple different combinations possible.   You need to see where the holes are in your trunk floor.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 6:57 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips

 

Hello,

 

>From the pictures that I've got, there appears to be 6 clips that fasten the lug wrench and the jack to the trunk floor.

 

I'm in possession of (4) small clips, (2) medium, and one large clip.

 

Where do they go, on which tool and so on? Help!

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A

382002083 LRXFE

Code 86

TAC # 0763

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From chris at cthompson.net  Tue Dec  7 17:34:56 2021
From: chris at cthompson.net (Chris Thompson)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 19:34:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <c39d29ba72d5de77e7fa57d34ee7dce6.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c39d29ba72d5de77e7fa57d34ee7dce6.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>
Message-ID: <5e0466dd-97b9-f02a-e747-e2d2ccdc7216@cthompson.net>

For other folks looking to complete their trunks, but aren't TE/AE 
members, in the latest issue there is an ad for a reproduction tool roll.

I just got mine this week, and it's very good quality.? Made by Gary 
Schotland. It's pretty co$ty, but he had to go through a whole lot to 
get as close to a spot-on reproduction as possible.

I've lost track of the web site, but if you email him, you can get all 
the info.

gschotland at gmail.com

B382000331


From rollright at aol.com  Tue Dec  7 17:54:35 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 19:54:35 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <002a01d7ebcb$43286c10$c9794430$@bluefrog.com>
References: <002a01d7ebcb$43286c10$c9794430$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <BA9CFE81-8050-434F-B1B2-67FC8A3269C9@aol.com>

Thank you very much for the  picture !

Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 7, 2021, at 7:33 PM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim
>                 There are a couple different combinations possible.   You need to see where the holes are in your trunk floor.
>  
> Ron Fraser
>  
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of James Armstrong via Tigers
> Sent: Tuesday, December 07, 2021 6:57 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
>  
> Hello,
>  
> From the pictures that I've got, there appears to be 6 clips that fasten the lug wrench and the jack to the trunk floor.
>  
> I'm in possession of (4) small clips, (2) medium, and one large clip.
>  
> Where do they go, on which tool and so on? Help!
>  
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Tue Dec  7 18:27:58 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Tue, 7 Dec 2021 20:27:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CAMRx0hbpuo+HPZHGR6nwDjGmjcSrETy=5=PBtRshyO273ApNZA@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,
Here's a picture that I had of the trunk layout.  The picture doesn't show
the last (large) clip at the end of the jack (off to the right).
Hint:  if you're restoring the clips, after you paint them (black), dip
each in black Plasti Dip.  Should look and work as factory.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Tue, Dec 7, 2021 at 6:56 PM James Armstrong via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> From the pictures that I've got, there appears to be 6 clips that fasten
> the lug wrench and the jack to the trunk floor.
>
> I'm in possession of (4) small clips, (2) medium, and one large clip.
>
> Where do they go, on which tool and so on? Help!
>
> Jim Armstrong
> Mk 1A
> 382002083 LRXFE
> Code 86
> TAC # 0763
> _______________________________________________
>
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Wed Dec  8 08:48:43 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 15:48:43 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <5e0466dd-97b9-f02a-e747-e2d2ccdc7216@cthompson.net>
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c39d29ba72d5de77e7fa57d34ee7dce6.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>
 <5e0466dd-97b9-f02a-e747-e2d2ccdc7216@cthompson.net>
Message-ID: <SA1PR06MB83565A5D9D1BCFEF52D456E8D86F9@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

So out of curiosity, how much is "pretty co$ty"?

Steve

________________________________
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net>; James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips

For other folks looking to complete their trunks, but aren't TE/AE
members, in the latest issue there is an ad for a reproduction tool roll.

I just got mine this week, and it's very good quality.  Made by Gary
Schotland. It's pretty co$ty, but he had to go through a whole lot to
get as close to a spot-on reproduction as possible.

I've lost track of the web site, but if you email him, you can get all
the info.

gschotland at gmail.com

B382000331

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Wed Dec  8 09:44:55 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 11:44:55 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <SA1PR06MB83565A5D9D1BCFEF52D456E8D86F9@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c39d29ba72d5de77e7fa57d34ee7dce6.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>
 <5e0466dd-97b9-f02a-e747-e2d2ccdc7216@cthompson.net>
 <SA1PR06MB83565A5D9D1BCFEF52D456E8D86F9@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000901d7ec52$ef613e80$ce23bb80$@bluefrog.com>

Steve

                There is a nice write up of this tool roll in the Nov 2021
issue of TE/AE Rootes Review.

Gary went to great lengths to make it as original looking as possible.

 

$135

SunbeamParts.net

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of steve wick via
Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 10:49 AM
To: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net>; James Armstrong
<rollright at aol.com>; chris at cthompson.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips

 

So out of curiosity, how much is "pretty co$ty"?

 

Steve

 

  _____  

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of Chris Thompson via
Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net <mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>
>; James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> >
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>
<tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips 

 

For other folks looking to complete their trunks, but aren't TE/AE 
members, in the latest issue there is an ad for a reproduction tool roll.

I just got mine this week, and it's very good quality.  Made by Gary 
Schotland. It's pretty co$ty, but he had to go through a whole lot to 
get as close to a spot-on reproduction as possible.

I've lost track of the web site, but if you email him, you can get all 
the info.

gschotland at gmail.com <mailto:gschotland at gmail.com> 

B382000331

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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Dec  8 13:50:15 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 8 Dec 2021 20:50:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Tool fixing clips
References: <1460008783.29533.1638996615986.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1460008783.29533.1638996615986@mail.yahoo.com>

Hello,
?I screwed up !?Someone sent me a single email, with a lot of data on tools, tool rolls, and parts list to back all up. This was in response to my question about truck floor tool? fixing clips.?At the doctor's office this morning, I was engrossed in the e-mail and was called in to a procedure figuring Icould finish reading it at home.?Now I can't find it.!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!?Can you please resend your email to me? Promos I won't loose it this time ! DUH
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Thu Dec  9 09:05:01 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 16:05:01 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips
In-Reply-To: <000901d7ec52$ef613e80$ce23bb80$@bluefrog.com>
References: <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1901192099.3148538.1638921405082@mail.yahoo.com>
 <c39d29ba72d5de77e7fa57d34ee7dce6.squirrel@webmail.mokancomm.net>
 <5e0466dd-97b9-f02a-e747-e2d2ccdc7216@cthompson.net>
 <SA1PR06MB83565A5D9D1BCFEF52D456E8D86F9@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
 <000901d7ec52$ef613e80$ce23bb80$@bluefrog.com>
Message-ID: <SA1PR06MB8356DD16CACD938780DACCCBD8709@SA1PR06MB8356.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Thanks Ron. Unfortunately, I'm not a member of TE/AE, and you have to be a member to read the Rootes Review. I appreciate the info and contact information.

Steve

________________________________
From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
Sent: Wednesday, December 8, 2021 8:44 AM
To: 'steve wick' <srwick at hotmail.com>; 'Richard Bruner' <gammaman at mokancomm.net>; 'James Armstrong' <rollright at aol.com>; chris at cthompson.net <chris at cthompson.net>
Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net <tigers at Autox.Team.Net>
Subject: RE: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips


Steve

                There is a nice write up of this tool roll in the Nov 2021 issue of TE/AE Rootes Review.

Gary went to great lengths to make it as original looking as possible.



$135

SunbeamParts.net



Ron Fraser







From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of steve wick via Tigers
Sent: Wednesday, December 08, 2021 10:49 AM
To: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net>; James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com>; chris at cthompson.net
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips



So out of curiosity, how much is "pretty co$ty"?



Steve



________________________________

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net>> on behalf of Chris Thompson via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Sent: Tuesday, December 7, 2021 4:34 PM
To: Richard Bruner <gammaman at mokancomm.net<mailto:gammaman at mokancomm.net>>; James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com<mailto:rollright at aol.com>>
Cc: tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] trunk floor tool fistening clips



For other folks looking to complete their trunks, but aren't TE/AE
members, in the latest issue there is an ad for a reproduction tool roll.

I just got mine this week, and it's very good quality.  Made by Gary
Schotland. It's pretty co$ty, but he had to go through a whole lot to
get as close to a spot-on reproduction as possible.

I've lost track of the web site, but if you email him, you can get all
the info.

gschotland at gmail.com<mailto:gschotland at gmail.com>

B382000331

_______________________________________________

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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 10:06:09 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 09:06:09 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
Message-ID: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>

As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.

(1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?  
(2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
(3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a lot.

The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at 23-24?.



In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6 threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4 rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.



From chip.broadbooks at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 10:27:39 2021
From: chip.broadbooks at gmail.com (Chip Broadbooks)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 12:27:39 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
References: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAAP8cn7k_oLqZ-vZV86nTixp78cV8saEHDJCjCJAB2=z6ez3pw@mail.gmail.com>

I have 15" Mags on mine. It took a little while to get the offsets dialed
in. My fenders are stock. There is no rubbing going on.

I don't know if that helps...

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 12:13 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come
> by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire
> wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire
> or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires
> for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
>
> (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?
> (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
> (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a
> lot.
>
> The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But
> I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of
> Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a
> totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how
> low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at
> 23-24?.
>
>
>
> In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine
> one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in
> the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6
> threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4
> rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine
> owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not
> confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 10:34:35 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 11:34:35 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
References: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
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I have the 15" LAT70 wheels from Sunbeam Specialties with 205/50 Dunlop
tires.  I will probably try to go a little narrower the next time I buy
tires.
[image: Tiger.jpg]

Have Fun,
Joe Brown

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 11:14 AM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come
> by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire
> wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire
> or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires
> for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
>
> (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?
> (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
> (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a
> lot.
>
> The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But
> I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of
> Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a
> totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how
> low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at
> 23-24?.
>
>
>
> In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine
> one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in
> the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6
> threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4
> rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine
> owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not
> confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From chip.broadbooks at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 11:04:19 2021
From: chip.broadbooks at gmail.com (Chip Broadbooks)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 13:04:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <CAKb_wfnQJa4BBUeKYbwDFp5PnE1Sofxux5Wm0PDDZ7Zzq3orAQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
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Son of a Bitch!!!!
Those were not available when I was restoring mine (my Dad's).

Those look GREAT!!!
And a good deal less than what I spent!

:,(

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021, 12:44 PM Joe Brown via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> I have the 15" LAT70 wheels from Sunbeam Specialties with 205/50 Dunlop
> tires.  I will probably try to go a little narrower the next time I buy
> tires.
> [image: Tiger.jpg]
>
> Have Fun,
> Joe Brown
>
> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 11:14 AM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>
>> As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come
>> by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire
>> wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire
>> or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires
>> for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
>>
>> (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?
>> (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
>> (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a
>> lot.
>>
>> The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But
>> I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of
>> Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a
>> totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how
>> low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at
>> 23-24?.
>>
>>
>>
>> In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine
>> one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in
>> the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6
>> threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4
>> rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine
>> owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not
>> confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
>>
>>
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 11:20:56 2021
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 13:20:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
References: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CA+8dKTs6aK6DHd5sK0nHTE5xyhEK6ab+_h+UA9bueg1mG=XhvA@mail.gmail.com>

Here is one of mine with 15" Minilites.

My other has 14" and there is some really good rubber being made again for
that size. Check out the Falken Azenis RT615K+.

Bugz

On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come
> by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire
> wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire
> or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires
> for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
>
> (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?
> (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
> (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a
> lot.
>
> The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But
> I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of
> Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a
> totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how
> low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at
> 23-24?.
>
>
>
> In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine
> one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in
> the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6
> threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4
> rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine
> owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not
> confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
>
>
> _______________________________________________
>
> tigers at autox.team.net
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Thu Dec  9 12:08:32 2021
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 14:08:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <CA+8dKTs6aK6DHd5sK0nHTE5xyhEK6ab+_h+UA9bueg1mG=XhvA@mail.gmail.com>
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I have a set of 15? LAT 70?s still in their boxes.

Has anyone determined if wheels in that size increase mileage?

I enjoy the open road but 13? LAT 70?s plus only 13 gallons in the tanks and a thirsty engine results in a limited range between fill-ups.

In some areas that can be a problem.

Thx,

Allan Ballard
Mk1a Tiger
Series 1 Alpine (v6)



Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Mark Rense via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> Here is one of mine with 15" Minilites.
> 
> My other has 14" and there is some really good rubber being made again for that size. Check out the Falken Azenis RT615K+.
> 
> Bugz
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
>> 
>> (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?  
>> (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
>> (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a lot.
>> 
>> The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at 23-24?.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6 threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4 rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
>> tigers at autox.team.net
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Thu Dec  9 12:08:44 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 11:08:44 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <CA+8dKTs6aK6DHd5sK0nHTE5xyhEK6ab+_h+UA9bueg1mG=XhvA@mail.gmail.com>
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Nice Tiger Bugz!
Same color (warm off-white) I have always 
been planning to do mine.
What color and paint is yours?
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Mark Rense via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
> Here is one of mine with 15" Minilites.
> 
> My other has 14" and there is some really good rubber being made again for that size. Check out the Falken Azenis RT615K+.
> 
> Bugz
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
>> 
>> (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?  
>> (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
>> (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a lot.
>> 
>> The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at 23-24?.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6 threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4 rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
>> 
>> 
>> _______________________________________________
>> 
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From tym2 at comcast.net  Thu Dec  9 14:26:31 2021
From: tym2 at comcast.net (Dr. T. Y. McDowell)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 16:26:31 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
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I have 15" Panasports on my Mk1A.
No issues and I like the look.  I've attached two (2) pix.

Tym McDowell

>     On 12/09/2021 2:08 PM Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Nice Tiger Bugz!
>     Same color (warm off-white) I have always 
>     been planning to do mine.
>     What color and paint is yours?
>     Gary
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
>         > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Mark Rense via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> >     > 
>         > > 
> >         Here is one of mine with 15" Minilites.
> > 
> >         My other has 14" and there is some really good rubber being made again for that size. Check out the Falken Azenis RT615K+.
> > 
> >         Bugz
> > 
> >         On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
> > > 
> > >             (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not? 
> > >             (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
> > >             (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a lot.
> > > 
> > >             The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at 23-24?.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6 threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4 rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
> > > 
> > > 
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 17:31:52 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 19:31:52 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 375
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Just though I'd put my two cents in, I too have 15" Panasports, love the
wheels and the look. If you're front suspension is weak you may have an
issue with your front  inner fender lip on corners.

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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 16:26:31 -0500 (EST)
From: "Dr. T. Y. McDowell" <tym2 at comcast.net>
To: Gary <garywinblad at comcast.net>, Gary via Tigers
        <tigers at autox.team.net>, Mark Rense <mark44124 at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
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I have 15" Panasports on my Mk1A.
No issues and I like the look.  I've attached two (2) pix.

Tym McDowell

>     On 12/09/2021 2:08 PM Gary via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>
>
>     Nice Tiger Bugz!
>     Same color (warm off-white) I have always
>     been planning to do mine.
>     What color and paint is yours?
>     Gary
>
>
>     Sent from my iPhone
>
>
>         > > On Dec 9, 2021, at 10:35 AM, Mark Rense via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> >     >
>         > >
> >         Here is one of mine with 15" Minilites.
> >
> >         My other has 14" and there is some really good rubber being
made again for that size. Check out the Falken Azenis RT615K+.
> >
> >         Bugz
> >
> >         On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 PM Jay via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> >
> >             > > > As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder
and harder to come by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for
my Alpine with wire wheels is absolutely no longer available except from
Coker at $250 a tire or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to
spend $1,250 on tires for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
> > >
> > >             (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?
> > >             (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire
selection a little bit.
> > >             (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the
tire selection a lot.
> > >
> > >             The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those
looks great.  But I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone
have pictures of Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?
I know it?s a totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a
sense of how low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the
overall diameter at 23-24?.
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > >             In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not
match the Alpine one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all
around, except in the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the
knock off (for 6 threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an
Alpine gets 4 rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a
number of Alpine owners running this way and say they have never had a
problem.  I?m not confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 17:40:27 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 19:40:27 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] 15 inch look
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec  9 17:41:46 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 16:41:46 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Picture of 15" Wires on a Tiger
Message-ID: <2D97DD33-07DD-47F7-8285-6BABEBEF762A@gmail.com>

Well, of all things, I got a picture of 15? wires on a Tiger (72 spokes) and I have to say that I think it looks really good.  I?m hoping for more pictures that might show the full side.  But it doesn?t look like a silly Hot Wheels car on stilts like I was worried.  Hope you can all see this picture.

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From rollright at aol.com  Thu Dec  9 20:03:32 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 22:03:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
References: <037229C5-FA1B-4EC2-A9F7-0FE12AA59E55.ref@aol.com>
Message-ID: <037229C5-FA1B-4EC2-A9F7-0FE12AA59E55@aol.com>

Hello all,

I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?

Jim Armstrong

Sent from my iPhone

From jim at island.net  Thu Dec  9 22:39:39 2021
From: jim at island.net (Jim)
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 21:39:39 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
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Alpine parts cars !!  ;)


Sent from my ShoePhone


> On Dec 9, 2021, at 7:03 PM, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello all,
> 
> I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Dec 10 08:30:06 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:30:06 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Fixed Door Window
Message-ID: <1071007560.402031.1639150209471@verizon.net>

Starting the process of replacing the glazing rubber and glass on the fixed quarter window.? Anybody have any advice or tricks to make this easy.? I assume the glazing rubber goes in the channel first.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Dec 10 09:27:18 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:27:18 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <D00D1183-8A7C-4EDE-8576-081A6163C747@ix.netcom.com>
References: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
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Increasing total wheel/tire circumference WILL increase MPG...  More road covered for each explosion!
Back in the day, I used to log every gallon that went through my Tiger and larger tires definitely give more MPG.
Same as adding an overdrive trans.  But if you have a big cam, it might be happier turning more revs.
Changing rear wheels for a road trip is easier than changing the trans or rear end gears!
Gary


>     On 12/09/2021 2:08 PM Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     I have a set of 15? LAT 70?s still in their boxes.
> 
>     Has anyone determined if wheels in that size increase mileage?
> 
>     I enjoy the open road but 13? LAT 70?s plus only 13 gallons in the tanks and a thirsty engine results in a limited range between fill-ups.
> 
>     In some areas that can be a problem.
> 
>     Thx,
> 
>     Allan Ballard
>     Mk1a Tiger
>     Series 1 Alpine (v6)
> 
> 
> 
>     Sent from my iPhone
> 
>     On Dec 9, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Mark Rense via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> 
> 
>         > > 
> >         Here is one of mine with 15" Minilites.
> > 
> >         My other has 14" and there is some really good rubber being made again for that size. Check out the Falken Azenis RT615K+.
> > 
> >         Bugz
> > 
> >         On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net mailto:tigers at autox.team.net > wrote:
> > 
> >             > > > As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives.
> > > 
> > >             (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not? 
> > >             (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit.
> > >             (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a lot.
> > > 
> > >             The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at 23-24?.
> > > 
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6 threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4 rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on.
> > > 
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From blance598 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 09:40:48 2021
From: blance598 at gmail.com (Lance Beauchamp)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 11:40:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Rug kits
Message-ID: <CACQC2nXC2ERB30W6VzrgquPtGEsmMZtP=8psJ=G5207Uhdt=xg@mail.gmail.com>

Do we have any specific or special kits or a certain weave or pile  we like
over others?  Spring project, my tan is now a yelloie tan color resembling
bird droppings. You too much sun does a job on tan rugs. What was in the
car originally?

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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 09:44:33 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 08:44:33 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
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To be more precise, increasing/decreasing total TIRE circumference will impact MPG, acceleration and top speed.  Increasing/decreasing WHEEL circumference is irrelevant.



> On Dec 10, 2021, at 8:27 AM, GARY WINBLAD via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Increasing total wheel/tire circumference WILL increase MPG...  More road covered for each explosion!
> Back in the day, I used to log every gallon that went through my Tiger and larger tires definitely give more MPG.
> Same as adding an overdrive trans.  But if you have a big cam, it might be happier turning more revs.
> Changing rear wheels for a road trip is easier than changing the trans or rear end gears!
> Gary
> 
>> On 12/09/2021 2:08 PM Allan Ballard via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> I have a set of 15? LAT 70?s still in their boxes.
>> 
>> Has anyone determined if wheels in that size increase mileage?
>> 
>> I enjoy the open road but 13? LAT 70?s plus only 13 gallons in the tanks and a thirsty engine results in a limited range between fill-ups.
>> 
>> In some areas that can be a problem.
>> 
>> Thx,
>> 
>> Allan Ballard
>> Mk1a Tiger
>> Series 1 Alpine (v6) 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
>> 
>> On Dec 9, 2021, at 1:20 PM, Mark Rense via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote: 
>> 
>>> 
>>> Here is one of mine with 15" Minilites.
>>> 
>>> My other has 14" and there is some really good rubber being made again for that size. Check out the Falken Azenis RT615K+. 
>>> 
>>> Bugz 
>>> 
>>> On Thu, Dec 9, 2021 at 12:14 PM Jay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote: 
>>> As I?m sure many know, 13? tires are getting harder and harder to come by.  In fact, the specific 13? tires that I prefer for my Alpine with wire wheels is absolutely no longer available except from Coker at $250 a tire or racing Dunlops at $320 a tire.  Before I decide to spend $1,250 on tires for my Alpine, I?m thinking of alternatives. 
>>> 
>>> (1) Buy racing Dunlop tires - why the heck not?  
>>> (2) Get MGB 14? wire wheels, which opens up tire selection a little bit. 
>>> (3) Get TR3 or TR4 15? wire wheels, which opens up the tire selection a lot. 
>>> 
>>> The Tiger/Alpine was designed for 14? wheels.  So those looks great.  But I?m worried that 15? wire wheels will look silly.  Anyone have pictures of Tigers with 15?, and can indicate what tires are on them?  I know it?s a totally different look with a mag wheel.  But I want to get a sense of how low profile the tires would be.  I?m hoping to keep the overall diameter at 23-24?. 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> In case anyone cares, the MGB wire wheel hub does not match the Alpine one.  The TR hub does match.  The MGB hub is the same all around, except in the length.  So instead of getting 6 rotations of the knock off (for 6 threads) to tighten on the wheel, an MGB wheel on an Alpine gets 4 rotations of the knock off, for 4 threads.  There are a number of Alpine owners running this way and say they have never had a problem.  I?m not confident in that as a legitimate conclusion to rely on. 
>>> 
>>> 
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Dec 10 09:52:30 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Tom Witt)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 08:52:30 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] 15" wheels?
In-Reply-To: <1022984146.1640315.1639153638144@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <A26E6472-9555-4380-8023-06711ACCB0E5@gmail.com>
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/"Increasing total wheel/tire circumference WILL increase MPG...? More 
road covered for each explosion!"/

"C/hanging rear wheels for a road trip is easier than changing the trans 
or rear end gears/!"

I agree with that with these caveats. The increase comes mostly on level 
or downhill roadways. Inclines can require more throttle than with 
shorter tires and you are back on the other side of the "sweet spot." 
RPM is not the only factor. My daily driver Mazda spins at 3,000 RPM and 
gets near 35 MPG. My Studebaker with a 700R4, 225-60-16 tires and 3:07 
gears spins at 1,600 RPM and gets about 17MPG. both cars at 65 MPH 
freeway speeds. Yea, weight and displacement is a factor but half the 
RPM gets half the mileage.

Taller tires and a Tiger with a close ratio transmission are not a good 
match. Also unless one has a compensated odometer you need to do the 
math to recalculate the actual mileage. A T-5 transmission over a wide 
ratio Toploader will likely see little difference in city driving. If 
you are driving across country for a SUNI or such you may well 
appreciate the investment. But, yes, I'd say a few hundred dollars 
invested in rather taller tires for a lengthy road trip is quite a 
difference over $4,000-$5,000 for T-5 install. The only thing is you 
need to bring your regular tires to swap out once you get there. 
Everything seems to have its tradeoffs. BTW, a 13 gallon tank can also 
be compensated for with a 5 gallon jug - likely the most economical 
solution.

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From jbsyv at yahoo.com  Fri Dec 10 11:44:05 2021
From: jbsyv at yahoo.com (Jim B)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 10:44:05 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
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Jim,
I only had a couple of original tool clips that were in a box of bits and pieces when I started my Tiger project. I bought some wall mount tool spring clips online, painted them black and used those as a substitute until I could find some originals (which I still haven?t found). I?ve thought about dipping them in ?Black Plastic-Dip? to get closer to original. 
Just a thought.
Jim B

> On Dec 9, 2021, at 9:39 PM, Jim via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Alpine parts cars !!  ;)
> 
> 
> Sent from my ShoePhone
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>> 
>> ?Hello all,
>> 
>> I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?
>> 
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Dec 10 12:07:56 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 14:07:56 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
In-Reply-To: <037229C5-FA1B-4EC2-A9F7-0FE12AA59E55@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1185848082.629451.1639163292141@verizon.net>

Moss Motors has them listed for Jag XK120's. Problem with Moss is they don't list dimensions, so don't know if they are the proper size.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> Date: 12/9/21  10:03 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: tigers at autox.team.net Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips Hello all,I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?Jim ArmstrongSent from my iPhone_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net
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From jbbrown1980 at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 13:57:56 2021
From: jbbrown1980 at gmail.com (Joe Brown)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 14:57:56 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
In-Reply-To: <1185848082.629451.1639163292141@verizon.net>
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I believe I took my old ones to an Ace Hardware and found some that
matched.  Then I dipped them in black Plasti Dip.  You can see a big
variety of this type of clip at
https://www.google.com/search?q=boat+hook+spring+clamp&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwjDuvmSi9r0AhVOXawKHYZaCCwQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=boat+hook+spring+clamp&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQAzIECAAQGDIECAAQGDoHCCMQ7wMQJzoICAAQgAQQsQM6BQgAEIAEOgQIABBDOgYIABAHEB46CAgAEAgQBxAeUJoJWMNKYIVNaABwAHgAgAF1iAHpCpIBBDE0LjKYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=n7qzYYPvBs66sQWGtaHgAg&bih=789&biw=1600

[image: Trunk.jpg]



On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 1:08 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Moss Motors has them listed for Jag XK120's. Problem with Moss is they
> don't list dimensions, so don't know if they are the proper size.
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
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> Date: 12/9/21 10:03 PM (GMT-05:00)
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
>
> Hello all,
>
> I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a
> source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?
>
> Jim Armstrong
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From drmayf at mayfco.com  Fri Dec 10 13:58:36 2021
From: drmayf at mayfco.com (Larry Mayfield)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 12:58:36 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
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Here is an overseas place 
www.sunbeamalpinetigersspares.co.uk    which might have stuff like that.  However, make sure your heart pills are handy.  VAT taxes are killers...

How about contacting Curt Meinel?   Curt & Patti Meinel <cmeinel464 at aol.com>   he used to collect old Sunbeam cars as spare parts. Drop im a line and say Larry Mayfield sent you, lol.  Hopefully he is still in business. 

Larry
Or drmayf
World's fastest Sunbeam. Period. 

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers
Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:04 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips

Hello all,

I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?

Jim Armstrong

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From jefferyrandall at gmail.com  Fri Dec 10 15:07:57 2021
From: jefferyrandall at gmail.com (Jeffery Randall)
Date: Fri, 10 Dec 2021 17:07:57 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
In-Reply-To: <001301d7ee08$b505e350$1f11a9f0$@mayfco.com>
References: <037229C5-FA1B-4EC2-A9F7-0FE12AA59E55.ref@aol.com>
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Jim,
  Try Bob Jaarsma, I'm sure he's got'em, he's got everything else.
  Jeff

On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 3:59 PM Larry Mayfield via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Here is an overseas place
> www.sunbeamalpinetigersspares.co.uk    which might have stuff like that.
> However, make sure your heart pills are handy.  VAT taxes are killers...
>
> How about contacting Curt Meinel?   Curt & Patti Meinel <
> cmeinel464 at aol.com>   he used to collect old Sunbeam cars as spare parts.
> Drop im a line and say Larry Mayfield sent you, lol.  Hopefully he is still
> in business.
>
> Larry
> Or drmayf
> World's fastest Sunbeam. Period.
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JAMES ARMSTRONG
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> Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:04 PM
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> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
>
> Hello all,
>
> I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a
> source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?
>
> Jim Armstrong
>
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From rollright at aol.com  Sat Dec 11 12:09:31 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 14:09:31 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 381
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Thanks everybody for the tips on the trunk tool fixing clips. I got some good advice and I thank you guys for it.
Jim Armstrong

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> Here is an overseas place 
> www.sunbeamalpinetigersspares.co.uk    which might have stuff like that.  However, make sure your heart pills are handy.  VAT taxes are killers...
> 
> How about contacting Curt Meinel?   Curt & Patti Meinel <cmeinel464 at aol.com>   he used to collect old Sunbeam cars as spare parts. Drop im a line and say Larry Mayfield sent you, lol.  Hopefully he is still in business. 
> 
> Larry
> Or drmayf
> World's fastest Sunbeam. Period. 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers
> Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:04 PM
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> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
> 
> Hello all,
> 
> I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?
> 
> Jim Armstrong
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
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> Cc: JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright at aol.com>, Tiger List List
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> Jim,
>  Try Bob Jaarsma, I'm sure he's got'em, he's got everything else.
>  Jeff
> 
>> On Fri, Dec 10, 2021 at 3:59 PM Larry Mayfield via Tigers <
>> tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Here is an overseas place
>> www.sunbeamalpinetigersspares.co.uk    which might have stuff like that.
>> However, make sure your heart pills are handy.  VAT taxes are killers...
>> 
>> How about contacting Curt Meinel?   Curt & Patti Meinel <
>> cmeinel464 at aol.com>   he used to collect old Sunbeam cars as spare parts.
>> Drop im a line and say Larry Mayfield sent you, lol.  Hopefully he is still
>> in business.
>> 
>> Larry
>> Or drmayf
>> World's fastest Sunbeam. Period.
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of JAMES ARMSTRONG
>> via Tigers
>> Sent: Thursday, December 9, 2021 7:04 PM
>> To: tigers at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [Tigers] Tiger trunks lower tool clips
>> 
>> Hello all,
>> 
>> I checked Rick?scatalog, and he doesn?t carry them. Does anybody know of a
>> source for the Tiger trunk tool clips out there in British car land?
>> 
>> Jim Armstrong
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From clydemclaughlin at verizon.net  Sat Dec 11 13:56:02 2021
From: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net (clydemclaughlin at verizon.net)
Date: Sat, 11 Dec 2021 20:56:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
References: <178194419.595840.1639256162842.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject. ?First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire ?wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning. ?Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers. ?I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg. ?Carb fuel ?mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. ?Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.
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From deiland1 at att.net  Sun Dec 12 07:35:09 2021
From: deiland1 at att.net (Daniel Eiland)
Date: Sun, 12 Dec 2021 14:35:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Our Fellow Car Enthusiasts in Affected Areas
References: <1552220932.651290.1639319709029.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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I pray that all our friends and family are OK in the areas affected by the weather. Our thoughts and prayers are with all of you, your families, your friends and your neighbors. We are here if you need us, just let us know if there is anything we can do to help.?
Dan Eiland?

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Dec 13 07:14:44 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:14:44 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
Message-ID: <1078879548.277237.1639404891423@verizon.net>

Does any one know how this piece was attached to the trunk floor. Rivets or sheet metal screws. Been too many years since I took mine out. I have my strap, but misplaced the metal plate.? Made a new one using Ron's dimensions.?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Dec 13 07:42:26 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 09:42:26 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
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Jim

                I believe pop rivets is correct.

 

Ron Fraser

 

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Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor

 

Does any one know how this piece was attached to the trunk floor. Rivets or sheet metal screws. Been too many years since I took mine out. I have my strap, but misplaced the metal plate.  Made a new one using Ron's dimensions. 

 

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Dec 13 09:03:13 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 11:03:13 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor
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Thanks Ron, that's what I was thinking.? Sheet metal screws would be difficult through two layers of metal.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 12/13/21  9:42 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor Jim??????????????? I believe pop rivets is correct.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Monday, December 13, 2021 9:15 AMTo: tigers at autox.team.netSubject: [Tigers] tool kit metal plate on trunk floor?Does any one know how this piece was attached to the trunk floor. Rivets or sheet metal screws. Been too many years since I took mine out. I have my strap, but misplaced the metal plate.? Made a new one using Ron's dimensions.??Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?
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From harryb at elams.org  Mon Dec 13 14:18:21 2021
From: harryb at elams.org (H B Elam)
Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 16:18:21 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Toolkit metal plate
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Jim,  The plate in B392000471 has already been painted over, at least twice. Looks to me like it is riveted. Not sure I can determine a rivit size without attacking the paint. 
Harry Elam
B382000471
TAC #037

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From: randya at pacbell.net (Randall Antosiak)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 00:42:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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 Hi Steve -?Another item for your engine part removal check list: speedo cable!? ?I noticed that it was not listed on that engine removal pdf.- Randy
    On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 09:35:16 PM PST, steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
 Well that would save a lot of time. I'll have to look at it closer when I get ready to put it on the lift. I was going to strip the interior and dash first while it's on the ground, and work out from there.
Steve
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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal?If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.? That also keeps the wheels, steering, and brakes working for moving the bodyaround for body and paint! Poor photo attached.? I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low profile engine/tranny dolly I made.Gary 

On 12/04/2021 10:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote: 

Thanks?to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm doing.??
Steve 

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal

Steve,

?
   
   - The engine compartment color should be the body color.
   - I?ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) on the ground. You?ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
   - I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale?s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.

?

Hope this helps,

?

JVP

?

?




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Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal




I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly? painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.

My car is presently being totally refreshed,? good luck and have fun.? Beau?




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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.? I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise? at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.? I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary


>? ? ?On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>? ? ?This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
>? ? ? ?First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>? ? ? ?Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>? ? ? ?Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
> 
>? ? ?Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

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? On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:? ? #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
?, I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
?f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
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From srwick at hotmail.com  Tue Dec 14 08:45:41 2021
From: srwick at hotmail.com (steve wick)
Date: Tue, 14 Dec 2021 15:45:41 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal
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Yep, that would kind of suck to rip that loose.

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal

Hi Steve -
Another item for your engine part removal check list: speedo cable!   I noticed that it was not listed on that engine removal pdf.
- Randy

On Saturday, December 4, 2021, 09:35:16 PM PST, steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


Well that would save a lot of time. I'll have to look at it closer when I get ready to put it on the lift. I was going to strip the interior and dash first while it's on the ground, and work out from there.

Steve

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From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 8:33 AM
To: steve wick <srwick at hotmail.com>; steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>; Lance Beauchamp <blance598 at gmail.com>; jvparlanti at gmail.com <jvparlanti at gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal

If you use your 4-post lift, you don't have to remove the crossmember.  That also keeps the wheels, steering, and brakes working for moving the body
around for body and paint!
Poor photo attached.  I did use my engine hoist, floor jack and a low profile engine/tranny dolly I made.
Gary

On 12/04/2021 10:15 AM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


Thanks to all for all the advice on engine removal, compartment color and your experiences with updated drivetrains. I think I now know what I'm doing. ?

Steve


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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Joe Parlanti via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 7:02 AM
To: 'Lance Beauchamp' <blance598 at gmail.com>; tigers at autox.team.net <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal


Steve,



  1.  The engine compartment color should be the body color.
  2.  I?ve taken engines out dozens of times and out the bottom is the way to go. I normally take 2 of the front crossmember bolts out and thread them into the top inside the engine compartment after putting them through a link of large chain. Now you have something to lift with. While supporting the car via this chain and hoist, remove the other 2 crossmember bolts. Raise the car up leaving the crossmember (with the wheels still on it) on the ground. You?ll need to wiggle it as things are going up to get it clear. Once high enough, roll the crossmember out from under the car. Now lower the car back down until the engine rests on an engine dolly. Remove the motor mounts and anything else still attached leaving the transmission with the engine. Lift the body leaving the engine on the cradle. Roll the engine / transmission out the front.
  3.  I drive my car a lot, usually 3,000 to 5,000 miles per year so I went with a non-stock approach. I still have my numbers matching 260 in a baggie in my garage but built a very nice 302 for my car. I also installed Dale?s 5-speed a couple of years ago. Transformed the car.



Hope this helps,



JVP





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         16048 Copen Meadow Dr
        North Potomac, MD 20878
             Cell - 410-599-5475

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From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lance Beauchamp via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, December 4, 2021 9:22 AM
To: Tiger Club. Submission <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: [Tigers] Fwd: Tigers eng removal


I've had my midnight blue Tiger 35 years now, and when I did my eng over it came out the bottom. Much easier especially when reinstalling a fresh eng into a newly  painted compartment which will also be Midnight blue.

My car is presently being totally refreshed,  good luck and have fun.  Beau


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This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
  First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
  Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
  Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?

Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.

Steve
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From: GARY WINBLAD <garywinblad at comcast.net<mailto:garywinblad at comcast.net>>
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Steve,

Its a shame you couldn't get it reliable in 20 years...
A full restore is always nice though.
Engine compartment should be body color, my car was Midnight Blue too and if I ever get around to it, I think I may go back to original too.
A 5.0/5speed transforms the car to a modern car. you won't wan to go back.  I just have a stock cam Mustang engine but its awesome fast
and loves to cruise  at 80 with good mileage.
I use my 4-post lift to drop the engine/tranny out the bottom, worked slick.  I wouldn't try to hang it over the end though.
Gary


>     On 12/03/2021 9:14 PM steve wick via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:
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>     This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.
>       First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything, I might as well do it right.
>       Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?
>       Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because of the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
>
>     Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
>
>     Steve
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Date: Sat, 4 Dec 2021 05:29:12 +0000 (UTC)
From: Daniel Eiland <deiland1 at att.net<mailto:deiland1 at att.net>>
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Steve,
I'm sure there are more knowledgeable people on the list who can answer your questions, but my input is free.
On question 1, when I owned my Tiger it was a one owner all original car, so my response is based on my old car. The engine compartment was body color. Entire car was painted body color.
Question 2, IIRC, the engine was mounted to the front suspension and they dropped the car down onto the suspension. I've always read it was easier and safer to do the same if you can. Since I never had to remove my engine and tranny I'll have to leave this to someone more knowledgeable than me.
Question 3, I haven't noticed if a stock, original Tiger sells for any more or less than one with an engine and transmission upgrade as long as all the work looks like it was done at the factory. The best compromise is to stay with bolt-on upgrades only and keep all the original parts and store them properly. This way if you ever sell your car and a future owner wants to return it to its original configuration they can easily unbolt your modifications and bolt all the original parts back on the car.
Hope this helps a little.?
Dan Eiland?Ex Tiger Owner

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  On Fri, Dec 3, 2021 at 7:15 PM, steve wick via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net<mailto:tigers at autox.team.net>> wrote:    #yiv8173281967 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}This will be a long post, so please bear with me. I've had my Tiger for 20 years, but only drove it occasionally. I had constant problems with the wiring and fuel system that left me stranded several times. The last 10 years or so, I haven't driven it more than 100 miles per year, mainly due to work, health issues, time and the unreliability issue. I plan on going through my Tiger this winter, updating the wiring harness and, as a bonus, getting it ready to go back to the original paint color (Midnight Blue) throughout the car. As part of that, I was going to pull the engine and transmission.?? First question. Is the engine compartment body color or black? My car was completely repainted, inside and out, in the 70's to some shade of red that now needs serious help. The engine compartment was painted black. I figure if I'm going to repaint everything
 , I might as well do it right.? Second question. I've heard of people pulling the engine from the top and from the bottom. It's just me, and my bench-pressing days are way behind me, so I won't be lifting the front of the car myself if I pull from the bottom. I don't see a good place to attach a hoist. I have a 4-post car lift, so can position the front of the car over the edge of the platform, block up the frame under the A pillar and chain the rear frame rails down and lift the whole car in the air, minus the front crossmember/engine/tranny, or remove the transmission, strip the engine to the block and heads and pull from the top. Which would be the best way, and why?? Last question. As long as the engine/tranny are out, I'm going to "refresh" them. I'm a hot rodder at heart, but don't want to mess up a rare car like a Tiger. I'm looking for something just to drive and have fun with, without getting smoked by a Prius. I'm considering using a roller cam 302 and a 5 speed, because o
 f the ZDDP issue, parts availability, reliability, small boost in power, etc. How much do I hurt the value of the car by having the original engine/tranny available but newer stuff installed, vs. rebuilding the stock units?
Thanks guys. Looking forward to everyone's input and opinion.
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From rollright at aol.com  Wed Dec 15 16:05:37 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Wed, 15 Dec 2021 23:05:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] trunk lifting jack fixing clips
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Help !!!
?There are three large fixing clips that hold the lifting jack? in place to the floor in the trunk.?I have one, and the other sources are close but incorrect (Moss Motors, West Marine).?Anyone have (2) originals in their parts stash? I'll pay handsomely.
BTW: Trunk is in primer paint and looks great? !?James R. Armstrong62 Cornell RoadMarblehead, MA 01945617-834-6778rollright at aol.com
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From rollright at aol.com  Thu Dec 16 12:20:33 2021
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Date: Thu, 16 Dec 2021 14:20:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips
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There?s a guy that lives in Massachusetts that has about a dozen Sunbeams. He sort of has a junkyard I guess, but he also buys and sells Sunbeams, mostly tigers but also Alpines. He went out and looked today to see what the configuration of clips was for the lifting jack, and found that the lifting jack takes two medium clips and one large one. The large one is for the part of the lifting jack that is inserted into the body channels of the car. My search is at an end because I have one large two mediums and four smalls. I?m all set. Thanks to all that had to put up with all this.  Yay!!! 

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> ?There are three large fixing clips that hold the lifting jack? in place to the floor in the trunk.?I have one, and the other sources are close but incorrect (Moss Motors, West Marine).?Anyone have (2) originals in their parts stash? I'll pay handsomely.
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Dec 17 09:57:49 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 11:57:49 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips
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> On 12/16/2021 2:20 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>and one large one. The large one is for the part of the lifting jack that is inserted into the body channels of the car. 

Is that right?
I am pretty sure mine in B9470622 are original.  All 3 for the jack seem to be the same.
A larger one for the smaller arm doesn't make sense...?
Gary

From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Dec 17 10:29:03 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 12:29:03 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips
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Gary
	I believe there are multiple answers to this question just like
there are several ways the Jack and Brace are placed.
I only have the small clips on the Brace and 3 large clips on the Jack but I
don't know that is absolutely correct.
I have seen pictures that look like there is a medium clip on the big end of
the Brace with 2 small clips on the handle.

The size of these clips and placement could be almost as random as Tiger
engine # install.

The Parts Lists does not list these clips as far as I know.

Ron Fraser

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> On 12/16/2021 2:20 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:
>and one large one. The large one is for the part of the lifting jack that
is inserted into the body channels of the car. 

Is that right?
I am pretty sure mine in B9470622 are original.  All 3 for the jack seem to
be the same.
A larger one for the smaller arm doesn't make sense...?
Gary
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Fri Dec 17 11:12:15 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 13:12:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips
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My Tiger has 3 large ones for the jack and 3 smaller ones for the wheel brace.? This is how my car came from the factory.??Jim D
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 12/17/21  12:32 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'GARY WINBLAD' <garywinblad at comcast.net>, 'JAMES ARMSTRONG' <rollright at aol.com>, 'JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers' <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips Gary	I believe there are multiple answers to this question just likethere are several ways the Jack and Brace are placed.I only have the small clips on the Brace and 3 large clips on the Jack but Idon't know that is absolutely correct.I have seen pictures that look like there is a medium clip on the big end ofthe Brace with 2 small clips on the handle.The size of these clips and placement could be almost as random as Tigerengine # install.The Parts Lists does not list these clips as far as I know.Ron Fraser-----Original Message-----From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GARY WINBLADSent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:58 AMTo: JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright at aol.com>; JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers<tigers at autox.team.net>Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips> On 12/16/2021 2:20 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>wrote:>and one large one. The large one is for the part of the lifting jack thatis inserted into the body channels of the car. Is that right?I am pretty sure mine in B9470622 are original.? All 3 for the jack seem tobe the same.A larger one for the smaller arm doesn't make sense...?Gary_______________________________________________tigers at autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe:http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/rfraser at bluefrog.com_______________________________________________tigers@autox.team.netDonate: http://www.team.net/donate.htmlArchive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/tigers http://autox.team.net/archiveUnsubscribe: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/tigers/jimdamelio at verizon.net
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From rollright at aol.com  Fri Dec 17 13:02:44 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 20:02:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk jack clips
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Hello,
?Ron asked me to make some measurements of the three clips:?Small - 1 1/4" high,? 7/8" wide at base? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 3 used on wheel brace (tire iron)Medium- 2"? ? high,? ?1 1/8" wide at base? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? 2 used on lifting jackLarge ? ? ? 1 13/16" high, 1 9/16" wide at base? ? ? ? 1 used on lifting jack on square section?Attached is a picture of all three clips.?Thanks all,?Jim ArmstrongMk 1A
In a message dated 12/17/2021 12:29:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com writes:?
Gary
??? I believe there are multiple answers to this question just like
there are several ways the Jack and Brace are placed.
I only have the small clips on the Brace and 3 large clips on the Jack but I
don't know that is absolutely correct.
I have seen pictures that look like there is a medium clip on the big end of
the Brace with 2 small clips on the handle.

The size of these clips and placement could be almost as random as Tiger
engine # install.

The Parts Lists does not list these clips as far as I know.

Ron Fraser

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Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips

> On 12/16/2021 2:20 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:
>and one large one. The large one is for the part of the lifting jack that
is inserted into the body channels of the car. 

Is that right?
I am pretty sure mine in B9470622 are original.? All 3 for the jack seem to
be the same.
A larger one for the smaller arm doesn't make sense...?
Gary
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From aballard at ix.netcom.com  Fri Dec 17 13:18:30 2021
From: aballard at ix.netcom.com (Allan Ballard)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 14:18:30 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
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I want to thank those who responded as you?ve provided much food for thought.

With my engine I?d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.

One option that hasn?t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.

For the  open road of course.

~Allan Ballard
~~Mk1a Tiger
~~Series I Alpine 

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> On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject.  First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire  wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning.  Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers.  I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg.  Carb fuel  mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm.  Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri Dec 17 13:24:12 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 15:24:12 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Trunk jack clips
In-Reply-To: <2052825705.1767843.1639771364134@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.7.1639681202.1334.tigers@autox.team.net>
 <01F9F201-D5C9-4BE7-96D3-DF7A64EA56FB@aol.com>
 <914371536.52013.1639760269632@connect.xfinity.com>
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Interesting!!

According to this picture I have small and medium clips, I don?t have a large clip.

I will have to check my tool clips more closely.

 

Thanks for the info and photo

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: James Armstrong <rollright at aol.com> 
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 3:03 PM
To: rfraser at bluefrog.com; tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: Trunk jack clips

 

Hello,

 

Ron asked me to make some measurements of the three clips:

 

Small - 1 1/4" high,  7/8" wide at base                    3 used on wheel brace (tire iron)

Medium- 2"    high,   1 1/8" wide at base                2 used on lifting jack

Large       1 13/16" high, 1 9/16" wide at base        1 used on lifting jack on square section

 

Attached is a picture of all three clips.

 

Thanks all,

 

Jim Armstrong

Mk 1A


In a message dated 12/17/2021 12:29:02 PM Eastern Standard Time, rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com>  writes: 

 

Gary
    I believe there are multiple answers to this question just like
there are several ways the Jack and Brace are placed.
I only have the small clips on the Brace and 3 large clips on the Jack but I
don't know that is absolutely correct.
I have seen pictures that look like there is a medium clip on the big end of
the Brace with 2 small clips on the handle.

The size of these clips and placement could be almost as random as Tiger
engine # install.

The Parts Lists does not list these clips as far as I know.

Ron Fraser

-----Original Message-----
From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:58 AM
To: JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright at aol.com <mailto:rollright at aol.com> >; JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers
<tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips

> On 12/16/2021 2:20 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
wrote:
>and one large one. The large one is for the part of the lifting jack that
is inserted into the body channels of the car. 

Is that right?
I am pretty sure mine in B9470622 are original.  All 3 for the jack seem to
be the same.
A larger one for the smaller arm doesn't make sense...?
Gary 


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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Dec 17 13:44:35 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 20:44:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
In-Reply-To: <BAA49E71-2F4C-4B7E-AD87-AEECEEB75F5A@ix.netcom.com>
References: <178194419.595840.1639256162842.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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"... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"

Are you?speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something equal?to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you stating?to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 speed?
The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th gear. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission.?http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm? ?I believe is was used only in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never recall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 speed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these transmissions. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability or performance driving enhancement.


-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage

I want to thank those who responded as you?ve provided much food for thought.
With my engine I?d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.
One option that hasn?t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.
For the ?open road of course.
~Allan Ballard~~Mk1a Tiger~~Series I Alpine?
Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:


I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject. ?First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire ?wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning. ?Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers. ?I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg. ?Carb fuel ?mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. ?Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.

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From twotigers at verizon.net  Fri Dec 17 17:17:35 2021
From: twotigers at verizon.net (twotigers at verizon.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:17:35 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
In-Reply-To: <364962136.2516204.1639773875957@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <178194419.595840.1639256162842.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <178194419.595840.1639256162842@mail.yahoo.com>
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 <364962136.2516204.1639773875957@mail.yahoo.com>
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Look up Malibu Revue on the CAT website. He?s done a lot of toploaders with the (IIRC) 2.72 final drive.

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt via Tigers
Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 PM
To: tigers at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage

 

"... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"

 

Are you speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something equal to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you stating to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 speed?

 

The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th gear. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission. http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm   I believe is was used only in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never recall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 speed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these transmissions. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability or performance driving enhancement.



-----Original Message-----
From: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com <mailto:aballard at ix.netcom.com> >
To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net <mailto:clydemclaughlin at verizon.net> 
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage

I want to thank those who responded as you?ve provided much food for thought. 

 

With my engine I?d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.

 

One option that hasn?t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.

 

For the  open road of course.

 

~Allan Ballard

~~Mk1a Tiger

~~Series I Alpine 

 

Sent from my iPhone


On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net <mailto:tigers at autox.team.net> > wrote:

I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject.  First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire  wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning.  Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers.  I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg.  Carb fuel  mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm.  Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.

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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Fri Dec 17 17:32:38 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (Gary)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 16:32:38 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
In-Reply-To: <002d01d7f3a4$a8ed0250$fac706f0$@verizon.net>
References: <002d01d7f3a4$a8ed0250$fac706f0$@verizon.net>
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If you are willing to modify your Tiger,
just put in a 5 speed, it is the best solution!
Don?t put in a big cam and leave the stock 
rear end.
Gary


Sent from my iPhone

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 4:19 PM, twotigers--- via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Look up Malibu Revue on the CAT website. He?s done a lot of toploaders with the (IIRC) 2.72 final drive.
>  
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Thomas Witt via Tigers
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 12:45 PM
> To: tigers at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage
>  
> "... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear"
>  
> Are you speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something equal to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you stating to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 speed?
>  
> The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th gear. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission. http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm   I believe is was used only in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never recall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 speed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these transmissions. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability or performance driving enhancement.
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
> To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
> Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage
> 
> I want to thank those who responded as you?ve provided much food for thought.
>  
> With my engine I?d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.
>  
> One option that hasn?t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.
>  
> For the  open road of course.
>  
> ~Allan Ballard
> ~~Mk1a Tiger
> ~~Series I Alpine 
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject.  First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire  wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning.  Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers.  I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg.  Carb fuel  mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm.  Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Fri Dec 17 17:34:46 2021
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 17:34:46 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
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The fourth gear in a top loader, like many transmissions, is a direct coupling of the input and output shafts. There is no actual gear train involved.
As Tom Witt mentions, the Granada overdrive four speed actually replaced the third gear with an overdrive ratio and then they flipped the arm on the 3/4 linkage so that the gears were selected in the opposite order. But as he mentioned the ratios were fairly widely and unevenly spaced. 

Theo

> On Dec 17, 2021, at 1:18 PM, Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I want to thank those who responded as you?ve provided much food for thought.
> 
> With my engine I?d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory.
> 
> One option that hasn?t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear.
> 
> For the  open road of course.
> 
> ~Allan Ballard
> ~~Mk1a Tiger
> ~~Series I Alpine 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> 
>> I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject.  First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire  wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning.  Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers.  I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg.  Carb fuel  mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm.  Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.
>> _______________________________________________
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From dave.barakat at icloud.com  Fri Dec 17 20:36:45 2021
From: dave.barakat at icloud.com (Dave Barakat)
Date: Fri, 17 Dec 2021 19:36:45 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips
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Here is a pic from my Tiger 1A and I believe they are original?3 small clips for the wrench and 3 large clips for the jack. By the way?.does anyone have a spare jack they can direct me to?.I am in need of one



> On Dec 17, 2021, at 9:29 AM, Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> wrote:
> 
> Gary
> 	I believe there are multiple answers to this question just like
> there are several ways the Jack and Brace are placed.
> I only have the small clips on the Brace and 3 large clips on the Jack but I
> don't know that is absolutely correct.
> I have seen pictures that look like there is a medium clip on the big end of
> the Brace with 2 small clips on the handle.
> 
> The size of these clips and placement could be almost as random as Tiger
> engine # install.
> 
> The Parts Lists does not list these clips as far as I know.
> 
> Ron Fraser
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of GARY WINBLAD
> Sent: Friday, December 17, 2021 11:58 AM
> To: JAMES ARMSTRONG <rollright at aol.com>; JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers
> <tigers at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 14, Issue 386. Trunk jack clips
> 
>> On 12/16/2021 2:20 PM JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
> wrote:
>> and one large one. The large one is for the part of the lifting jack that
> is inserted into the body channels of the car. 
> 
> Is that right?
> I am pretty sure mine in B9470622 are original.  All 3 for the jack seem to
> be the same.
> A larger one for the smaller arm doesn't make sense...?
> Gary
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From atwittsend at verizon.net  Fri Dec 17 20:42:29 2021
From: atwittsend at verizon.net (Thomas Witt)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 03:42:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
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Found? the post.? https://www.catmbr.org/cat-forum/threads/toploader.4170/? He used the 2.90 1st gear and then used 2.72 rear gears. So, yes, he did get the effect of an overdrive without? the final Toploader ratio changing from 1 to 1. Jeep used a Toploader in 1980-86 that had a 3.00 1st gear and rather even spacing. It is known as the T-178. Looked long and hard for one of those and never found it. I believe it was used in the larger pick up they had at the time. Likely not strong enough for a built engine but for a stock to mild engine it accomplished what Malibu Review did and you got an aluminum case too.


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Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milage ?"... substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear" ?Are you?speaking of swapping only the Toploader 4th gear to something equal?to an overdrive ratio (meaning 5th Gear - like)..., or are you stating?to swap the whole Toploader 4 speed for something like a T-5, 5 speed? ?The was an overdrive version of the Toploader that had an overdrive 4th gear. But as this link states it was not a performance transmission.?http://davidkeetoploaders.com/imposters.htm? ?I believe is was used only in the 77-78 Ford Granada. Frankly I frequented wrecking yards back when they were prevalent (they are virtually non-existent today) and I never recall seeing anything but automatics. There was also the SROD overdrive 4 speed transmission. It has an equally bad reputation and a shifter location issue. Gear spacing was at least one of the problems with these transmissions. So, unless there is some special gear out there from the Toploader vendors the advantage is mileage only and not any reliability or performance driving enhancement.

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From: Allan Ballard <aballard at ix.netcom.com>
To: clydemclaughlin at verizon.net
Cc: Tiger List List <tigers at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Dec 17, 2021 12:18 pm
Subject: Re: [Tigers] fuel milageI want to thank those who responded as you?ve provided much food for thought.  ?With my engine I?d consider mid-20s MPG to be a victory. ?One option that hasn?t been chronicled for those with stock 4 speed top loaders is substitution of the 4th gear with a 5th gear. ?For the ?open road of course. ?~Allan Ballard~~Mk1a Tiger~~Series I Alpine? ?Sent from my iPhone
On Dec 11, 2021, at 2:56 PM, clyde mclaughlin via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
I need to preface this posting with the idea that everyone will have comments on their personal experiences and ideas about fuel milage. I don't want to start a two week dialog on the subject, but would like to through out a few of my opinions on the subject. ?First and foremost fuel mileage and rear tire ?wear has a direct correlation to your right foot! Secondly gearing would be the next most bang for the buck, i.e. stock 2:88's and a 5speed OD transmission, followed with good engine tuning. ?Tire size that was previously mentioned would be very negligible given the restrictions of tire/rim combinations for our Tigers. ?I recall in the 50's when the hot dodders were jacking up the rear with spring shackles and other methods, us sports car people laughed and figure they have done it for fuel mileage because now it is going down hill all the time, Ha Ha! I can comment that my car had 3:54 gears with the 4 speed and a k code engine, mileage about as poor as it gets, I currently have 3:07 gears with a 5speed and with 70-75 highway speed I get 23-25mpg. ?Carb fuel ?mixture is about 3.5% CO with less than 200HC at idle and runs very well, it will lean out to about 2.5%CO and 150HC at a no load 2000rpm. ?Forgot to mention I have 13 inch tires, 205/60 rear 185/60 front.

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Dec 18 11:23:32 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:23:32 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid
Message-ID: <1692836803.832902.1639851817934@verizon.net>

I purchased a repro gas cap lid from Tiger Tom years ago.? I'm sure it's the same one Rick sells.? I was wondering if there are any instructions on attaching this to the base.? Can you thread the lid bosses to except screws for the center section and spring? Do the pins push out or do they have to be drilled? Don't want to mess this up.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From bob at hermitagewood.com  Sat Dec 18 12:01:05 2021
From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob hermitagewood.com)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 19:01:05 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid
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Jim,

I installed a new gas cap cover and push button from sunbeam specialties last year, so my experience may or may not match yours.   Rather than use my original gas cap, I found another one and disassembled it for the mounting flange.  I was glad I did, because the new one required some fiddling to get it to latch, and doesn't just flip-and-latch as the original one did.

If memory serves, I pressed out the pins using smaller pins and some c-clamps.   Be careful not to lose the small spring behind the push button.  I drilled the rivets that held the cover to the spring loaded cap, then mounted the cap with small metal screws.  The hook on the push button was not quite the same shape as the original, and required some filing to get it to latch.  With the entire thing assembled, I trial fitted it to the car and found that flipped open it would just touch the paint on the hinge side when opened fully.   I added some extra gasket material underneath when mounting it to the body, and that was solved.

It looks great, the only downside is that it requires closing by hand, and can't be casually flipped into place.

--Bob


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Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 13:23:32 -0500
From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid
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I purchased a repro gas cap lid from Tiger Tom years ago.? I'm sure it's the same one Rick sells.? I was wondering if there are any instructions on attaching this to the base.? Can you thread the lid bosses to except screws for the center section and spring? Do the pins push out or do they have to be drilled? Don't want to mess this up.Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Sat Dec 18 12:05:20 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 14:05:20 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid
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Jim

The quick answer is YES.

I do not remember all the details, I did this too long ago.

You should contact Tiger Tom or Rick to see if there are instructions.

 

Ron Fraser

 

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 1:24 PM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
Subject: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid

 

I purchased a repro gas cap lid from Tiger Tom years ago.  I'm sure it's the same one Rick sells.  I was wondering if there are any instructions on attaching this to the base.  Can you thread the lid bosses to except screws for the center section and spring? Do the pins push out or do they have to be drilled? Don't want to mess this up.

 

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From mark44124 at gmail.com  Sat Dec 18 12:22:18 2021
From: mark44124 at gmail.com (Mark Rense)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 14:22:18 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] fuel milage
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When I built a Tiger just for me I found a 2.72:1 rear gear set from a ?80
Corvette, installed a TracLoc diff, and converted the Toploader to a
standard wide ratio. I built a 5-bolt 289 into a 331 CI with 400 HP. Even
with a Holley 670 it gets low 20?s mpg cruising comfortably at 75mph.
That?s on 205/60-14? tires.
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Sat Dec 18 14:21:15 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Sat, 18 Dec 2021 16:21:15 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid
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Thanks to everyone who responded.? I have the old one apart, but need a number 4 bottoming tap and a new cork gasket to install the new cap.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 12/18/21  2:05 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid JimThe quick answer is YES.I do not remember all the details, I did this too long ago.You should contact Tiger Tom or Rick to see if there are instructions.?Ron Fraser??From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Saturday, December 18, 2021 1:24 PMTo: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: [Tigers] Reproduction Gas Cap Lid?I purchased a repro gas cap lid from Tiger Tom years ago.? I'm sure it's the same one Rick sells.? I was wondering if there are any instructions on attaching this to the base.? Can you thread the lid bosses to except screws for the center section and spring? Do the pins push out or do they have to be drilled? Don't want to mess this up.?Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Dec 20 08:55:37 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:55:37 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
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Does the spring loaded piece with the cork gasket come apart? How would a new gasket fit?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From garywinblad at comcast.net  Mon Dec 20 09:34:38 2021
From: garywinblad at comcast.net (GARY WINBLAD)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:34:38 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
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Though I have never done it...
I have it on good authority:
NO, it doesn't come apart.  A new cork gasket has enough elasticity to stretch over the lip.
I would buy two and be really careful!
Gary

>     On 12/20/2021 10:55 AM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>     Does the spring loaded piece with the cork gasket come apart? How would a new gasket fit?
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From bob at hermitagewood.com  Mon Dec 20 09:36:22 2021
From: bob at hermitagewood.com (bob hermitagewood.com)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:36:22 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
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Jim,

    I wish I could help, but I didn't replace the cork on my cap.     Here are some photos of mine, pardon the dust and water spots:

http://hermitagewood.com/tiger/index.php?blg=2021_1220_gas_cap

--Bob

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Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 10:55:37 -0500
From: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net>
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
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Does the spring loaded piece with the cork gasket come apart? How would a new gasket fit?Jim DSent from my Galaxy

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon Dec 20 09:54:19 2021
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 11:54:19 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
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Jim

                I don?t know, never did that.

 

My question is ? why are you changing the cork gasket?

It does not look that bad in this picture.

 

Ron Fraser

 

From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via Tigers
Sent: Monday, December 20, 2021 10:56 AM
To: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
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Does the spring loaded piece with the cork gasket come apart? How would a new gasket fit?

 

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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Dec 20 10:12:46 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 12:12:46 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
In-Reply-To: <002001d7f5c2$3c021930$b4064b90$@bluefrog.com>
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Thanks for the responses.? ?Didn't think it came apart, but thought I'd ask.? My gasket is pretty dried out and is starting to crack.? I plugged the vent holes and used steel wool to brighten it up a little.? Will order two new gaskets from Rick.? Thursday a friend is coming over with 4-40 taps to thread the cap.Sent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 12/20/21  11:54 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap Jim??????????????? I don?t know, never did that.?My question is ? why are you changing the cork gasket?It does not look that bad in this picture.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Monday, December 20, 2021 10:56 AMTo: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap?Does the spring loaded piece with the cork gasket come apart? How would a new gasket fit??Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Mon Dec 20 12:41:34 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:41:34 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
In-Reply-To: <1028331580.1215409.1640020370647@verizon.net>
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Jim,
Just a word of caution.  The holes that you will be tapping are very
shallow (unless you want to poke through the cap.  To get a good thread you
will have to use a 4-40 bottom tap.  I found this out when I replaced my
cap with a stock cap that had been removed and rechromed.  No pictures.
Good luck

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 12:12 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Thanks for the responses.   Didn't think it came apart, but thought I'd
> ask.  My gasket is pretty dried out and is starting to crack.  I plugged
> the vent holes and used steel wool to brighten it up a little.  Will order
> two new gaskets from Rick.  Thursday a friend is coming over with 4-40 taps
> to thread the cap.
>
>
>
> Sent from my Galaxy
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>
> Date: 12/20/21 11:54 AM (GMT-05:00)
> To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net>
> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
>
> Jim
>
>                 I don?t know, never did that.
>
>
>
> My question is ? why are you changing the cork gasket?
>
> It does not look that bad in this picture.
>
>
>
> Ron Fraser
>
>
>
> *From:* Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *jimdamelio
> via Tigers
> *Sent:* Monday, December 20, 2021 10:56 AM
> *To:* tigers at Autox.Team.Net
> *Subject:* [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
>
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>
> Does the spring loaded piece with the cork gasket come apart? How would a
> new gasket fit?
>
>
>
> Jim D
>
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From JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net  Mon Dec 20 13:26:03 2021
From: JCMC2006 at suddenlink.net (Jerry Christopherson)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 14:26:03 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] FW: Gas cap
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Concerning the gas cap, I did mine 20+ years ago and I would agree with some
of the comments.  Be the most carful in the drilling of the four studs 4-40
is the correct size (#43 drill), a bottom tap is a must. The depth of the
cut is very critical (I'm very sorry I can't remember the depth too many
years ago). Be very careful and as always "measure twice and cut once"  If I
remember there are only two possibly three threads on the SS screw I used
(had to cut to size) also use thread locker.  I would strongly suggest
drilling the holes on a drill press using a good solid stop at the right
depth.  If you go through it's over!!

Best of luck, let us all know how it went.

Jerry Christopherson
9473187
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Mon Dec 20 13:28:48 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 15:28:48 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap
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Will,Thanks for the advice.? My friend is bringing a starter and bottom tap, so I should be okaySent from my Galaxy
-------- Original message --------From: Will Seay <Tigers at embarqmail.com> Date: 12/20/21  2:42 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: jimdamelio <jimdamelio at verizon.net> Cc: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com>, Tiger Server <tigers at autox.team.net> Subject: Re: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap Jim,Just a word of caution.? The holes that you will be tapping are very shallow (unless you want to poke through the cap.? To get a good thread you will have to use a 4-40 bottom tap.? I found this out when I replaced my cap with a stock cap that had been removed and rechromed.? No pictures.??Good luckWill - 382001570 Tigers at embarqmail.comOn Mon, Dec 20, 2021 at 12:12 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:Thanks for the responses.? ?Didn't think it came apart, but thought I'd ask.? My gasket is pretty dried out and is starting to crack.? I plugged the vent holes and used steel wool to brighten it up a little.? Will order two new gaskets from Rick.? Thursday a friend is coming over with 4-40 taps to thread the cap.Sent from my Galaxy-------- Original message --------From: Ron Fraser <rfraser at bluefrog.com> Date: 12/20/21  11:54 AM  (GMT-05:00) To: 'jimdamelio' <jimdamelio at verizon.net> Cc: tigers at Autox.Team.Net Subject: RE: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap Jim??????????????? I don?t know, never did that.?My question is ? why are you changing the cork gasket?It does not look that bad in this picture.?Ron Fraser?From: Tigers <tigers-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of jimdamelio via TigersSent: Monday, December 20, 2021 10:56 AMTo: tigers at Autox.Team.NetSubject: [Tigers] Tiger Gas Cap?Does the spring loaded piece with the cork gasket come apart? How would a new gasket fit??Jim D???Sent from my Galaxy?_______________________________________________

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From rollright at aol.com  Mon Dec 20 14:05:28 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (JAMES ARMSTRONG)
Date: Mon, 20 Dec 2021 16:05:28 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] Three Holes at rear of trunk
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Hello,

There are three holes about an inch and a half in diameter or so, at the rear of the trunk. On a stock car, they have a steel plug with a miniature handle to pull the plug out. Over the years all of mine have rusted, To the point that you can pull the plug out but there?s no hope and reusing it. Rick sells replacement rubber plugs but I was hoping to find a source for an original appearing steel one. Anybody know if there?s any available from any source?

Jim Armstrong,  Mk 1A
(The demon of the trunk)

Sent from my iPhone

From michael.s.king at gmail.com  Mon Dec 20 19:09:53 2021
From: michael.s.king at gmail.com (michael king)
Date: Tue, 21 Dec 2021 10:09:53 +0800
Subject: [Tigers] Three Holes at rear of trunk
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Jim,

the original metal sprung plugs are not repro'ed to my knowledge.. but were
used in other rootes cars.. finding a hillman minx parts car or other
rootes car that used them is the best bet.


On Tue, 21 Dec 2021 at 05:05, JAMES ARMSTRONG via Tigers <
tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:

> Hello,
>
> There are three holes about an inch and a half in diameter or so, at the
> rear of the trunk. On a stock car, they have a steel plug with a miniature
> handle to pull the plug out. Over the years all of mine have rusted, To the
> point that you can pull the plug out but there?s no hope and reusing it.
> Rick sells replacement rubber plugs but I was hoping to find a source for
> an original appearing steel one. Anybody know if there?s any available from
> any source?
>
> Jim Armstrong,  Mk 1A
> (The demon of the trunk)
>
> Sent from my iPhone
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 15:20:32 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 14:20:32 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Great Tire Options
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I just found this tire manufacturer.  It has a lot of the harder to find sizes.  I?m ordering tires from them for the Alpine - and I would have ordered them for the Tiger had I not recently purchased tires for the Tiger.

https://www.blockleytyre.com <https://www.blockleytyre.com/>

Not sure yet about the cost of shipping to the US.

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From mwood24020 at aol.com  Thu Dec 23 16:31:25 2021
From: mwood24020 at aol.com (Michael Wood)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 23:31:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Great Tire Options
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Roger Kraus Racing In Castro Valley still reps Blockley, I think. Might be a better deal than going direct and paying shipping?
Good vintage tires, for sure.
Mike

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  On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 2:23 PM, Jay<jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:   I just found this tire manufacturer. ?It has a lot of the harder to find sizes. ?I?m ordering tires from them for the Alpine - and I would have ordered them for the Tiger had I not recently purchased tires for the Tiger.
https://www.blockleytyre.com
Not sure yet about the cost of shipping to the US.
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Thu Dec 23 16:33:07 2021
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay)
Date: Thu, 23 Dec 2021 15:33:07 -0800
Subject: [Tigers] Great Tire Options
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Thanks!  I was actually thinking of getting Dunlop racing tires from him for the Alpine.  I?ll reach out to him.

FWIW, we were considering the Dunlop?s because (1) the car hardly gets driven, and the tires will hit their time max before they get worn out, (2) our race car will have Dunlops so it will be interesting to see how they behave on a car we?re used to, and (3) it would be fun.
Still might.

> On Dec 23, 2021, at 3:31 PM, Michael Wood <mwood24020 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> Roger Kraus Racing In Castro Valley still reps Blockley, I think. Might be a better deal than going direct and paying shipping?
> 
> Good vintage tires, for sure.
> 
> Mike
> 
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> On Thu, Dec 23, 2021 at 2:23 PM, Jay
> <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
> I just found this tire manufacturer.  It has a lot of the harder to find sizes.  I?m ordering tires from them for the Alpine - and I would have ordered them for the Tiger had I not recently purchased tires for the Tiger.
> 
> https://www.blockleytyre.com <https://www.blockleytyre.com/>
> 
> Not sure yet about the cost of shipping to the US.
> 
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From rollright at aol.com  Thu Dec 30 10:20:59 2021
From: rollright at aol.com (James Armstrong)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 17:20:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Replacement for "Large" jack clips
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Hello,
?In my desire to try other sources for trunk fixing clips, I researched Moss's online catalog.?I purchased their small clip # BD3438. Way too small, smaller than our small clip by half the size. Useless.?I also purchased their large clip # BD3431. This is a surprisingly good match for the "single large clip" used on some cars on the square section on the jack as well as the "medium clip" on all jack rounded sections?It's really too bad that their clip offerings don't match up with the most common of our Sunbeam requirements.I wonder, since they bought Vic. British, what and when we'll see what they offer for Sunbeams.?Finally, living near a West Marine store, I tried them but their clips have two off-center fixing holes on the base of the clip. Awkward..?Picture of Moss clip next to Rootes medium and large clips is attached.? Moss is shiny silver
Jim ArmstrongMk 1A382002083 LRXFECode 86TAC # 0763
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From jimdamelio at verizon.net  Thu Dec 30 12:59:45 2021
From: jimdamelio at verizon.net (jimdamelio)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 14:59:45 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] F4B Coil Placement
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Attached is a picture from the original LAT F4B intake kit.? Note the placement of the coil is at an angle.? Did this allow the use of the original bracket and where would it bolt.?Jim DSent from my Galaxy
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From randya at pacbell.net  Thu Dec 30 16:30:17 2021
From: randya at pacbell.net (Randall Antosiak)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 23:30:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [Tigers] Find Tiger Original Dealer?
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Hey Guys - Is there any way to find the name of the original dealer for a particular (my) Tiger?Thanks
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Thu Dec 30 20:18:58 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 22:18:58 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] F4B Coil Placement
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The F4B install instructions don't even mention the coil.  I guess you can
shoe-horn it in on top of the manifold.  I gave up on mounting on the
manifold and mounted my coil at the top of the generator bracket (picture
attached).  When I went to an alternator I had to fashion a new mount (2nd
pic).  I guess the crooked mount on the F4B could be considered "correct",
but my coil and I are happier with a mounting location away from a hot
manifold.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:59 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Attached is a picture from the original LAT F4B intake kit.  Note the
> placement of the coil is at an angle.  Did this allow the use of the
> original bracket and where would it bolt.
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
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From Tigers at embarqmail.com  Thu Dec 30 20:37:33 2021
From: Tigers at embarqmail.com (Will Seay)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 22:37:33 -0500
Subject: [Tigers] F4B Coil Placement
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My apologies.  Just checked the F4B install instructions and it says "Mount
coil on manifold as shown with furnished 5/16-18 X 2 1/2" cap screw".  So I
guess that somewhere on the manifold there's a 5/16-18 threaded hole.

Will - 382001570
Tigers at embarqmail.com


On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:59 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net>
wrote:

> Attached is a picture from the original LAT F4B intake kit.  Note the
> placement of the coil is at an angle.  Did this allow the use of the
> original bracket and where would it bolt.
>
> Jim D
>
>
>
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From tsmit at shaw.ca  Thu Dec 30 20:59:48 2021
From: tsmit at shaw.ca (Theo Smit)
Date: Thu, 30 Dec 2021 20:59:48 -0700 (MST)
Subject: [Tigers] F4B Coil Placement
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A 2 1/2 inch 5/16-18 screw would be one of the manifold-to-head mounting screws. If it was direct into the manifold there would be no reason to have more than about one inch of length. 
-Theo

> On Dec 30, 2021, at 8:38 PM, Will Seay via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> My apologies.  Just checked the F4B install instructions and it says "Mount coil on manifold as shown with furnished 5/16-18 X 2 1/2" cap screw".  So I guess that somewhere on the manifold there's a 5/16-18 threaded hole.
> 
> Will - 382001570 
> Tigers at embarqmail.com
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Dec 30, 2021 at 2:59 PM jimdamelio via Tigers <tigers at autox.team.net> wrote:
>> Attached is a picture from the original LAT F4B intake kit.  Note the placement of the coil is at an angle.  Did this allow the use of the original bracket and where would it bolt. 
>> 
>> Jim D
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Sent from my Galaxy
>> 
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