From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sat May  3 07:18:10 2025
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 06:18:10 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rotted Tiger
Message-ID: <CAAjp1z5cn0j4wZ0Pw_VKi9HBOjfvSg8qzMF321C5Gq1WiuQuVw@mail.gmail.com>

I'm surprised how many people are saying positive things about this car.
The amount of patches, rust holes showing light, wobbly metal, a new paint
job to hide how really bad the body is, and the twisted shape of the body
up front.  Ugh.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger-26/
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From winbladgary at gmail.com  Sat May  3 08:33:24 2025
From: winbladgary at gmail.com (Gary Winblad)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 07:33:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rotted Tiger
In-Reply-To: <CAAjp1z5cn0j4wZ0Pw_VKi9HBOjfvSg8qzMF321C5Gq1WiuQuVw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjp1z5cn0j4wZ0Pw_VKi9HBOjfvSg8qzMF321C5Gq1WiuQuVw@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Jay,
I am one that has been saying good things.
Its the first entry level project that i have seen on BAT in a long time.
Yeah, its a non-runner.  Yeah, its not a good candidate for a full show
quality car.
BUT, it looks (and its hard to really tell from a few photos I know) like
it could be a runner pretty easily.
It takes me back to Tigers we were buying in the '70s.
It doesn't have the huge rust problem.. though the floors have been very
abused.  Panhard bar frame
mount has been "fixed" poorly too.
I don't see the twisted body up front.. it looks to me like just the
bumpers (both) are toast.
Its NR with 4 hours to go and bid is only $7600 but too, its in FL.
Gary W.


On Sat, May 3, 2025 at 6:22?AM Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised how many people are saying positive things about this car.
> The amount of patches, rust holes showing light, wobbly metal, a new paint
> job to hide how really bad the body is, and the twisted shape of the body
> up front.  Ugh.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger-26/
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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Sat May  3 09:43:24 2025
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 08:43:24 -0700
Subject: [Tigers] Rotted Tiger
In-Reply-To: <CADoP9FfDL96uR+5wd8FvWXiAipkR1JA_21JQx-z_my5xo7iuRQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAAjp1z5cn0j4wZ0Pw_VKi9HBOjfvSg8qzMF321C5Gq1WiuQuVw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CADoP9FfDL96uR+5wd8FvWXiAipkR1JA_21JQx-z_my5xo7iuRQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Yeah, it's always a balance.  I hate when people go on BAT and just trash a
car.  But then I figure every seller using the platform has to know that is
the risk.  I wonder if the potential sale prices make it worth it.

There is a guy who sells Porsches on BAT.  He has the greatest write ups
and pictures - they all look in top condition.  Yet, I also see those cars
get relisted, and when they are, they show a fair amount of work that had
to be done.  It just goes to show you just how real buyer beware is on BAT.

I'm still amazed how many people spend high dollars on cars on BAT without
a real inspection.

I think on this Tiger, someone may strip off the paint and find a disaster
that is not remotely economical to repair.

On Sat, May 3, 2025 at 7:33?AM Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> I am one that has been saying good things.
> Its the first entry level project that i have seen on BAT in a long time.
> Yeah, its a non-runner.  Yeah, its not a good candidate for a full show
> quality car.
> BUT, it looks (and its hard to really tell from a few photos I know) like
> it could be a runner pretty easily.
> It takes me back to Tigers we were buying in the '70s.
> It doesn't have the huge rust problem.. though the floors have been very
> abused.  Panhard bar frame
> mount has been "fixed" poorly too.
> I don't see the twisted body up front.. it looks to me like just the
> bumpers (both) are toast.
> Its NR with 4 hours to go and bid is only $7600 but too, its in FL.
> Gary W.
>
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2025 at 6:22?AM Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised how many people are saying positive things about this car.
>> The amount of patches, rust holes showing light, wobbly metal, a new paint
>> job to hide how really bad the body is, and the twisted shape of the body
>> up front.  Ugh.
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger-26/
>> _______________________________________________
>>
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>>
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From cyclonegord66 at msn.com  Sat May  3 12:17:47 2025
From: cyclonegord66 at msn.com (Gord Dewhurst)
Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 18:17:47 +0000
Subject: [Tigers] Tigers Digest, Vol 18, Issue 72
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I see the same thing on BAT with the 55 - 57 Thunderbirds. People saying what a great car or how solid they are when the inner rockers and body supports are rusted out.
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Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 06:18:10 -0700
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Subject: [Tigers] Rotted Tiger
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I'm surprised how many people are saying positive things about this car.
The amount of patches, rust holes showing light, wobbly metal, a new paint
job to hide how really bad the body is, and the twisted shape of the body
up front.  Ugh.

https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger-26/
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Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 07:33:24 -0700
From: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com>
To: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rotted Tiger
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Hi Jay,
I am one that has been saying good things.
Its the first entry level project that i have seen on BAT in a long time.
Yeah, its a non-runner.  Yeah, its not a good candidate for a full show
quality car.
BUT, it looks (and its hard to really tell from a few photos I know) like
it could be a runner pretty easily.
It takes me back to Tigers we were buying in the '70s.
It doesn't have the huge rust problem.. though the floors have been very
abused.  Panhard bar frame
mount has been "fixed" poorly too.
I don't see the twisted body up front.. it looks to me like just the
bumpers (both) are toast.
Its NR with 4 hours to go and bid is only $7600 but too, its in FL.
Gary W.


On Sat, May 3, 2025 at 6:22?AM Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:

> I'm surprised how many people are saying positive things about this car.
> The amount of patches, rust holes showing light, wobbly metal, a new paint
> job to hide how really bad the body is, and the twisted shape of the body
> up front.  Ugh.
>
> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger-26/
> _______________________________________________
>
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Date: Sat, 3 May 2025 08:43:24 -0700
From: Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com>
To: Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com>
Cc: "Tiger's Den" <tigers at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Tigers] Rotted Tiger
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Yeah, it's always a balance.  I hate when people go on BAT and just trash a
car.  But then I figure every seller using the platform has to know that is
the risk.  I wonder if the potential sale prices make it worth it.

There is a guy who sells Porsches on BAT.  He has the greatest write ups
and pictures - they all look in top condition.  Yet, I also see those cars
get relisted, and when they are, they show a fair amount of work that had
to be done.  It just goes to show you just how real buyer beware is on BAT.

I'm still amazed how many people spend high dollars on cars on BAT without
a real inspection.

I think on this Tiger, someone may strip off the paint and find a disaster
that is not remotely economical to repair.

On Sat, May 3, 2025 at 7:33?AM Gary Winblad <winbladgary at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hi Jay,
> I am one that has been saying good things.
> Its the first entry level project that i have seen on BAT in a long time.
> Yeah, its a non-runner.  Yeah, its not a good candidate for a full show
> quality car.
> BUT, it looks (and its hard to really tell from a few photos I know) like
> it could be a runner pretty easily.
> It takes me back to Tigers we were buying in the '70s.
> It doesn't have the huge rust problem.. though the floors have been very
> abused.  Panhard bar frame
> mount has been "fixed" poorly too.
> I don't see the twisted body up front.. it looks to me like just the
> bumpers (both) are toast.
> Its NR with 4 hours to go and bid is only $7600 but too, its in FL.
> Gary W.
>
>
> On Sat, May 3, 2025 at 6:22?AM Jay Laifman <jay.laifman at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> I'm surprised how many people are saying positive things about this car.
>> The amount of patches, rust holes showing light, wobbly metal, a new paint
>> job to hide how really bad the body is, and the twisted shape of the body
>> up front.  Ugh.
>>
>> https://bringatrailer.com/listing/1964-sunbeam-tiger-26/
>> _______________________________________________
>>
>> tigers at autox.team.net
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri May  9 11:23:16 2025
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 13:23:16 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] PCV investigation
Message-ID: <000901dbc107$0ec8bcd0$2c5a3670$@bluefrog.com>

I?m reviewing the Tiger PCV system and the part numbers listed in the Parts
List.

 

These listed part numbers are for the 1963 Ford PCV system, they are not
used on Tiger engines.

C3DE-6A664-A is 3.08? long, made from C3AZ-6A664-A ? too short for the Tiger
system

C3TZ-6A666-A ? this valve is for the 1963 PCV system, it screws into
C3DZ-6A665-A

C3DZ-6A665-A is an adaptor assembly that bolts to that triangular pad at the
rear of the intake manifold ? not a Tiger part

 

The Tiger engines use the 1964 & 1965 Ford PCV systems.

C3AZ-6A664-A is bulk ?? ID hose ? 25 foot length ? this is the service part
for all PCV hose

 

If anyone has original Tiger PCV parts; I?m interested in the part number on
your PCV valve.

I don?t think there is a part number on the hose but if you see one, I?m
interested.

 

Please include your engine # and group with any reply ? pictures welcome.

 

Thank you for your help

 

Ron Fraser



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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Fri May  9 12:28:29 2025
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Fri, 9 May 2025 14:28:29 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] PCV
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Gary 

Thank you for the pictures.
If you ever pull the PCV valve out, see if the C7OZ number is stamped into
the valve body.
C7OZ is a replacement number.

Ron Fraser

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From rfraser at bluefrog.com  Mon May 19 08:21:02 2025
From: rfraser at bluefrog.com (Ron Fraser)
Date: Mon, 19 May 2025 10:21:02 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Tiger PCV system investigation
Message-ID: <000001dbc8c9$41de21e0$c59a65a0$@bluefrog.com>

With help from Bob Mannel, here are some better Ford part numbers for the
Tiger PCV system.

Mk I

6100538                C3DE-6A664-A                   Ford lists this hose
at 3.08"           WRONG # - 1963 system

                                C4AE-6A664-A                   1964 System -
Ford lists this hose at 5.75"

                                C5OE-6A6853-A                1965 system -
Bob Mannel indicated this hose (I'm not sure)

                                C5xx-6A664-x                    1965 system
- (I expected a # like this)

6100669                97331-S                                Clip - Hose
Corbin Clip

6100215                C3TZ-6A666-A                    PCV valve
WRONG # - 1963 system

                                C4ZE-6A666-A1 

                                C4AZ-6A666-A2                 Part number
C5ZZ-6A666-A 

6100667                378754                                  Adaptor -
1964 - system - Part by WEATHERHEAD

6100668                378766-S                              Rubber Grommet
- valve cover

Replacement Parts

C4AE-6853-B                      Hose - cut to length       1964 system

C7OZ-6A666-B                   Valve - 1964 system

C6AZ-6A664-N                   Hose - 1965 system or cut to length for 1964
system

C5AE-6A666-A                   Valve - 1965 system

C7AE-6A666-B                   Valve - 1965 system

C8SZ-6A892-A                    Grommet - valve cover

 

Mk II

6100979                C3AZ-6A664-A                   Hose      Listed as
bulk hose 25 feet

                                C5xx-6A664-x                    1965 system
- (I expected a # like this)

6100669                97331-S                                Clips - Hose
Corbin Clip

6100825                C5AZ-6A666-A                   PCV valve


6100667                378754                                  Adaptor - not
compatible with the above PCV valve

6100668                378766-S                              Rubber Grommet

Replacement Parts

                                C6AZ-6A664-N                   Hose

                                C7AE-6A666-B                   Valve

                                C8SZ-6A892-A                    Grommet -
valve cover

 

Bob Mannel's book, PDF Edition
<https://fordsmallblock.com/product/pdf-edition/> - Home of the Ford Small
Block V8, indicates there are 4 possible PCV valves for the 1964 system.
C3TE-6A666-B, C4AE-6A666-A, C4ZE-6A666-A1 and C4ZE-6A666-A2 and 3 for the
1965 system - C5AE-6A666-A, C5AE-6A666-B and C5AE-6A666-C

             

All original Tiger PCV valves are serviceable; meaning they can be taken
apart, cleaned then reinstalled.

 

I still see some gaps in these part numbers that can only be filled in by
Tiger Owners.   If you have or think you have Original Tiger PCV system
parts I would like to know those numbers.   Please indicate your engine
number and group with any reply.   All additions and corrections welcome.

 

Ron Fraser - rfraser at bluefrog.com <mailto:rfraser at bluefrog.com> 

 

 



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From jay.laifman at gmail.com  Wed May 28 16:22:26 2025
From: jay.laifman at gmail.com (Jay Laifman)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 18:22:26 -0400
Subject: [Tigers] Original Rivets?
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I wonder what the original rivets looked like. 

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From ktisdale at ix.netcom.com  Wed May 28 16:41:08 2025
From: ktisdale at ix.netcom.com (Ken Tisdale)
Date: Wed, 28 May 2025 16:41:08 -0600
Subject: [Tigers] Original Rivets?
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?

On 5/28/2025 4:22 PM, Jay Laifman wrote:
> I wonder what the original rivets looked like.
>
>
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