[TR] Gas Tax
Ann Carletta
anncarletta at yahoo.com
Tue Dec 15 15:05:46 MST 2015
Love them!
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On Tue, 12/15/15, David Porter <frogeye at porterscustom.com> wrote:
Subject: Re: [TR] Gas Tax
To: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>, "'Ann Carletta'" <anncarletta at yahoo.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
Date: Tuesday, December 15, 2015, 4:40 PM
Carly and Rand both are big on
shrinking government... it's time..
On 12/15/2015 2:26 PM, Alex&Janet Thomson wrote:
> And then there are us in Connecticut where not only do
we have a 25 cent per gallon tax on gasoline (54 cents on
diesel) but there is also the 8% gross receipts tax that
wholesalers have to pay to the state. Naturally, that gets
passed on to the consumer. So when gasoline is at 3.00 per
gallon, there will be an additional 24 cents built into the
price at the distribution level. The joke is on the consumer
because that additional money was originally
designated for road repair, underground tank replacement
assistance to filling stations and the like. Too bad the
transportation fund gets raided every year by the governor's
office and the state legislature.
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
On Behalf Of Ann Carletta
> Sent: Tuesday, December 15, 2015 2:23 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Gas Tax
>
> A good chunk of the cost per gallon comes from taxes
that don't change, regardless of fuel cost.
Pennsylvania has the highest rate of 51.60 cents per gallon
(cpg), and is followed closely by New York (45.99 cpg),
Hawaii (45.10 cpg), and California (42.35 cpg). On the other
end of the spectrum, Alaska has the lowest rate at 12.25
cpg, but New Jersey (14.50 cpg) and South Carolina (16.75
cpg) aren’t far behind. These rates do not include the
additional 18.40 cent federal excise tax., So Pennsylvanians
pay a 70 cents tax on every gallon and NYers 64.39 while
good ole NJ, which is in between the two states adds 32.9
cents to every gallon (and we're full-serve, no self-serve
here!). Realize your tax on gas can be as high as 25%!
If you have a 20 gallon tank, you're paying $14.00 in tax
every time you fill up in PA! Once a week brings you
to $728 in taxes a year.
>
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> 1. Replacing Universal joints on a
drive shaft (Sujit Roy)
> 2. Re: Replacing Universal joints
on a drive shaft
> (Alex&Janet
Thomson)
> 3. Re: value for insurance
proposes?
> (David Ljung Madison)
> 4. Ruminations (Home Consolidated)
> 5. Re: Ruminations (Joe Curry)
> 6. Re: Ruminations (Bob Labuz)
> 7. Re: Ruminations (David
Friedlander)
> 8. Re: Ruminations (John
Macartney)
> 9. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
> 10. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
> 11. Re: Ruminations (Dave)
> 12. Re: Ruminations (Randall)
> 13. Re: Ruminations (Jeff
Scarbrough)
> 14. Re: Ruminations (Bob
Labuz)
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:04:35 -0800
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal
joints on a drive shaft
> Message-ID:
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> I?ve been fortunate enough to source
myself a pair of half shafts from a Triumph
2000. These apparently fit a Triumph Stag which I
have. The shafts come with replicable universal
joints, unlike the staked type currently on my
Stag.
>
> I can get two types of joint GUJ102
without zirk / grease nipple or GUJ107 with zirk
/ grease nipple. 2 are required per side. The problem
with
> GUJ107 is once fitted to the car there
is no way to get to the zirk closet to the hub
as it is enclosed by the radius arm. I?m aware
TR6s have a similar setup.
>
> So should I get 4 no-zirked type and
fit once and forget, or buy the zirked type and
periodically, which means never in my case, re- grease
by removing the shaft?
>
> Do the zirked type really need pumping
with grease once in a while?
>
> Also, doing a cross reference to other
part numbers of the zirked type , prices vary
from $11 to $25 Any recommendations on brand I found
the ones below.
>
> I also found a cross reference to GMB
>
>
>
> GUJ107 cross references these
following parts
>
> Factory Number
>
> ACDelco
> 45U0168
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0031
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0106
>
> REO 55P1
>
>
>
> CARRARO
107625
>
> JENSEN 94425
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
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> Message: 2
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 17:20:09 -0500
> From: "Alex&Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>
> To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag at gmail.com>,
"'Triumphs'"
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Replacing Universal
joints on a drive shaft
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> For what it is worth, the original,
?sealed?, non-greaseable u-joint crosses on my ?81
Toyota diesel pickup were as smooth as new when I
junked the truck after 140,000 miles and 10 years of
use.
>
>
>
> Alex Thomson
>
>
>
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 5:05
PM
> To: Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] Replacing Universal
joints on a drive shaft
>
>
>
> I?ve been fortunate enough to source
myself a pair of half shafts from a Triumph 2000.
These apparently fit a Triumph Stag which I have. The
shafts come with replicable universal joints, unlike
the staked type currently on my Stag.
>
> I can get two types of joint GUJ102
without zirk / grease nipple or GUJ107 with zirk /
grease nipple. 2 are required per side. The
problem with GUJ107 is once fitted to the car there is
no way to get to the zirk closet to the hub as it is
enclosed by the radius arm. I?m aware TR6s have
a similar setup.
>
> So should I get 4 no-zirked type and
fit once and forget, or buy the zirked type and
periodically, which means never in my case, re- grease
by removing the shaft?
>
> Do the zirked type really need pumping
with grease once in a while?
>
> Also, doing a cross reference to other
part numbers of the zirked type , prices vary from $11
to $25 Any recommendations on brand I found the ones
below.
>
> I also found a cross reference to GMB
>
>
>
> GUJ107 cross references these
following parts
>
> Factory Number
>
> ACDelco
> 45U0168
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0031
>
> BECK/ARNLEY 102-0106
>
> REO 55P1
>
>
>
> CARRARO
107625
>
> JENSEN 94425
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
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> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 14:22:29 -0800
> From: David Ljung Madison <team.net at daveola.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] value for insurance
proposes?
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>
> JonMac says:
> > In my case, my first valuation
was based on:
> > 1. What I paid for the car -
(which was nothing because it was a wreck) PLUS
> 2. The value of parts I had bought for it supported
by receipts or a referenced Excel spreadsheet that
could be checked > 3. The known or likely
number of hours work I had done on the car in my
ownership up to a maximum of 500 hours.
> This was multiplied by a very nominal
hourly unskilled labour rate, PLUs > 4. The
value of any work done to the car by a professional -
i.e. a repaint.
>
> This estimate is going to be a bit on
the high-side, which may be desirable, but might
be difficult to convince an insurance company of
ipso-facto. For example, if you have a $30k car
with fairly good paint on it, and you get it
repainted for $10k, you probably *do not* have a
$40k car. And plenty of work done on the car is
to just fight entropy and replace things that are
breaking, that doesn't really add to the cars
value, just maintains it.
>
> Let's just hope that the number of us
who need to face these issues is kept to a
minimum. :)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
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> Message: 4
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 22:59:21 -0600
> From: Home Consolidated <triumphs at consolidated.net>
> To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Ruminations
> Message-ID: <CC309723-ED32-4A52-B96D-4F2F0C23C163 at consolidated.net>
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> I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline
recently which got me to thinking. Has gas ever
been this low?
>
> An inflation calculator. http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me that a buck sixty today is
the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970, $0.57 in
1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never
remember gas prices that low. I remember
> $0.14 for a week or so during a local
gas war in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right
in the early 70's, before the first Arab embargo, but
otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot
higher. In 2005 I remember paying north of $4.00
per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching
an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
> $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
> Ken Gano
>
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> Message: 5
> Date: Mon, 14 Dec 2015 23:18:19 -0700
> From: "Joe Curry" <spitlist at cox.net>
> To: "'Home Consolidated'" <triumphs at consolidated.net>,
"'Listserv
> Triumph'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> I can remember when I was in High
School when the local stations regularly staged
"Gas Wars" and one time it got as low as 5 cents a
gallon. That would be equivalent to %0 cents per
gallon today.
>
>
>
> Joe
>
>
>
> _____
>
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
> On Behalf Of Home
> Consolidated
> Sent: Monday, December 14, 2015 9:59
PM
> To: Listserv Triumph
> Subject: [TR] Ruminations
>
>
>
> I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline
recently which got me to thinking. Has gas
ever been this low?
>
>
>
> An inflation calculator.
> http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me
> that a buck sixty today is the same as
$0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970, $0.57 in 1980,
$0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas
prices that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so
during a local gas war in the early sixties and
$0.35 was about right in the early 70's, before the
first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices
were always a lot higher. In
> 2005 I remember paying north of $4.00
per on the west coast or $4.88 today.
> I was watching an old tv show (1977)
and the station sign said $0.609 or
> $2.13 today.
>
>
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
>
>
> Ken Gano
>
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> Message: 6
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:51:12 -0500
> From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>,
> 'Listserv Triumph'
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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> Joe,
>
> Another way to look at any price today
is this way.
>
> Back when our currency was silver
based and a quarter was about 1/5th of an oz AG,
gas was anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well if you
were smart and saved all your dimes, quarters, half
dollars and silver dollars you could go down to
your precious metal dealer and sell them 5
quarters (1.25) for about 13 to 14 dollars today. So a
quarter could get you about 3$ good for about 1.5
gallons up here in upstate NY. So if you
look at it that way, gas is cheaper today than it was
in the 60's.
>
> Just goes to show you how much our $
has fallen in 50 years.
>
> Now, I was just in northern CA and
drove on US 395 CA, and US 95 Nevada and I saw
prices in the 4.50 to almost 5$ range. This was in
October.
> Well over double what I saw on I 40
when I got into NM and TX.
>
> Bob
>
> On 12/15/2015 01:18 AM, Joe Curry
wrote:
> >
> > I can remember when I was in High
School when the local stations > regularly
staged ?Gas Wars? and one time it got as low as 5
cents a > gallon. That would be equivalent to
%0 cents per gallon today.
> >
> > Joe
> >
> >
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> >
> > *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net]
> *On Behalf Of
> > *Home Consolidated
> > *Sent:* Monday, December 14, 2015
9:59 PM > *To:* Listserv Triumph >
*Subject:* [TR] Ruminations > > I saw
$1.60 per gallon gasoline recently which got me to
thinking.
> > Has gas ever been this
low?
> >
> > An inflation calculator.
> > http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me
> > that a buck sixty today is the
same as $0.21 in 1962,
> $0.27 in 1970,
> > $0.57 in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and
$1.18 in 2000. I never remember gas > prices
that low. I remember $0.14 for a week or so during a
local gas > war in the early sixties and $0.35 was
about right in the early 70's, > before the
first Arab embargo, but otherwise it seems like prices
were > always a lot higher. In 2005 I
remember paying north of $4.00 per on > the
west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching an old tv
show (1977) > and the station sign said $0.609 or
$2.13 today.
> >
> > We must be doing something
right.
> >
> > Ken Gano
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net
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> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 10:20:21 -0500
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> To: Home Consolidated <triumphs at consolidated.net>
> Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> Ken;
>
> I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil
embargo, we were told of an 'oil shortage' which
forced the price of gas to double and even triple in
a matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab sheikdoms
became billionaires. Here we are, forty years
later and, somehow, we have an oil GLUT!
> Now how can that
> be??
>
> I'd like to asee a history graph
showing the price of a barrel of West Texas
crude vs. the price of a gallon of oil at any given
time? Last time oil was $38.50/barrel, as it is now,
how much was a gallon of gas? Makes me think
that even if a barrel of oil was FREE, we'd still pay
at least $1.50 gallon, what with all the taxes, fees
and whatnot (not to mention dealing with the
ethanol we didn't ask for).
>
> Dave
>
> On Mon, Dec 14, 2015 at 11:59 PM, Home
Consolidated < triumphs at consolidated.net>
> wrote:
>
> > I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline
recently which got me to thinking. Has
> gas ever been this low?
> >
> > An inflation calculator.
> > http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells
> > me that a buck sixty today is the
same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970, > $0.57
in 1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never
remember gas > prices that low. I remember $0.14
for a week or so during a local gas war > in
the early sixties and $0.35 was about right in the
early 70's, before > the first Arab embargo, but
otherwise it seems like prices were always a
> lot higher. In 2005 I remember paying north of
> $4.00 per on the west coast
> > or $4.88 today. I was watching an
old tv show (1977) and the station sign >
said $0.609 or $2.13 today.
> >
> > We must be doing something
right.
> >
> > Ken Gano
> >
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
> >
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net
> **
> >
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> Message: 8
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 16:52:54 -0000
> From: "John Macartney" <john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
> To: "'Triumph List'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> On the UK lunchtime news today, we
were told that inflation is now half of one percent
over the last year - and everyone is rejoicing at the
price of oil at $38 a barrel. Even more rejoicing that
gas is now cheaper than it was per litre in 2005.
Still means a gallon here is rocking out at $6.80 :)
Blessings come with strange complexions...
>
> Jonmac
>
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> Message: 9
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:00:00 -0500
> From: Dave <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: triumphs at consolidated.net,
> triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> Sure, but I think the $1.60 is an
outlier. Looking at the GasBuddy site the
average price over the last 10 years has been more
like $2.80. That would be equivalent to
> $0.36 in 1962, $0.46 in 1970, $0.97 in
1980, $1.54 in 1990 and $2.03 in 2000.
Projections are for crude to stay low for a while but
that may turn out to be a year or two. Many
producers can't make money at the current rate for
crude.
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Home Consolidated <triumphs at consolidated.net>
> To: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Dec 14, 2015 10:59 pm
> Subject: [TR] Ruminations
>
>
>
> I saw $1.60 per gallon gasoline
recently which got me to thinking. Has gas ever
been this low?
>
>
> An inflation calculator. http://inflation-calculator.com/?gclid=CIyppfb83MkCFQuLaQodnV4AOg
> tells me that a buck sixty today is
the same as $0.21 in 1962, $0.27 in 1970, $0.57 in
1980, $0.90 in 1990, and $1.18 in 2000. I never
remember gas prices that low. I remember
> $0.14 for a week or so during a local
gas war in the early sixties and $0.35 was about right
in the early 70's, before the first Arab embargo, but
otherwise it seems like prices were always a lot
higher. In 2005 I remember paying north of $4.00
per on the west coast or $4.88 today. I was watching
an old tv show (1977) and the station sign said
> $0.609 or $2.13 today.
>
>
> We must be doing something right.
>
>
> Ken Gano
>
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net
> **
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> Message: 10
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:02:35 -0500
> From: Dave <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> Yeah, and another way to look at it is
back when Microsoft stock was $21 and hadn't split
yet...
>
> No, a more accurate way to look at it
is how many hours do you have to work at McDonald's to
fill your tank?
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> To: Joe Curry <spitlist at cox.net>;
> 'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:00 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
>
>
>
> Joe,
>
> Another way to
look at any price today is this way.
>
> Back when our
currency was silver based and a quarter was
about 1/5th of an oz AG, gas was
anywhere from 18 to 25c / gallon. Well
> if you were smart and
saved all your dimes, quarters, half dollars
and silver dollars you could go down to
your precious metal dealer and
sell them 5 quarters (1.25) for about 13 to 14 dollars
today. So a quarter could get you
about 3$ good for about 1.5 gallons up
here in upstate NY. So if you look at it
that way, gas is cheaper today than it was in the
60's.
>
> Just goes to show
you how much our $ has fallen in 50 years.
>
> Now, I was just
in northern CA and drove on US 395 CA, and US 95
Nevada and I saw prices in the 4.50 to
almost 5$ range. This was
> in October. Well over
double what I saw on I
> 40 when I got into NM
and TX.
>
> Bob
>
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> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 12:08:19 -0500
> From: Dave <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> Even if crude was free there are still
expenses relating to transportation, refining,
distribution, retailing, etc. Those are costs
that are not proportional to the price of crude.
Just because the price of crude has dropped in half
(or doubles) don't expect pump prices to change that
dramatically.
>
>
>
> Dave Massey
>
>
>
>
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> To: Home Consolidated <triumphs at consolidated.net>
> Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Tue, Dec 15, 2015 9:56 am
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>
> Ken;
>
>
> I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab Oil
embargo, we were told of an 'oil shortage' which
forced the price of gas to double and even triple in a
matter of weeks. Overnight, the Arab sheikdoms became
billionaires. Here we are, forty years later and,
somehow, we have an oil GLUT! Now how can that be??
>
>
> I'd like to asee a history graph
showing the price of a barrel of West Texas crude vs.
the price of a gallon of oil at any given time? Last
time oil was $38.50/barrel, as it is now, how much was
a gallon of gas? Makes me think that even if a barrel
of oil was FREE, we'd still pay at least $1.50 gallon,
what with all the taxes, fees and whatnot (not to
mention dealing with the ethanol we didn't ask for).
>
>
> Dave
>
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> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 09:33:22 -0800
> From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: "'David Friedlander'" <forzion7 at gmail.com>,
"'Home Consolidated'"
> <triumphs at consolidated.net>
> Cc: 'Listserv Triumph' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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> > I 'love' that. In the '73 Arab
Oil embargo, we were told of > an 'oil
shortage' which forced the price of gas to double
and > even triple in a matter of weeks. Overnight,
the Arab > sheikdoms became billionaires. Here we
are, forty years later > and, somehow, we
have an oil GLUT! Now how can that be??
>
> Until the 73 oil embargo, there were
government controls on the wholesale price of
gasoline. Evidence suggests (to
> me) that the 73
> shortage was engineered by the oil
companies, in order to break the price controls.
Supposedly there were tanker trucks lined up for
miles outside the tank farms, because the tank farms
were full! As I recall, some industry exec even
got quoted as saying we could have all the
gasoline we wanted, for $2/gallon.
>
> The glut has many causes, but I'd say
chief among them is that the oil companies have
learned a LOT more since then on how to squeeze
more oil out of the ground (steam injection, oil
shale, fracking, etc) plus how to squeeze more gasoline
from a barrel of crude. High prices no
doubt played a part in their investments in those
technologies.
>
> There's also the problem that it takes
many years between going out to hunt for more oil; and
actually producing fuel from that oil.
> It's a big, complicated, expensive
(and dangerous) business, especially for off-shore
oil. When prices go up, exploration goes
way up. Then when all those new wells start
producing, there is an over-supply and prices
drop. Eventually the wells get shut down
because they are too expensive to run (when compared to
the glut prices) and the cycle repeats.
>
> Back in the early 80's, I worked for a
company that supplied custom computer navigation
systems to the oil industry, among others.
> When oil prices were up, we always got
a bunch of orders, for systems that would be multiple
millions of dollars in today's money.
> Peanuts really, when compared to the
costs of running an oil exploration ship. (I was
once told that operating costs for the RV Shell
America were around $10,000 PER HOUR.) When oil
prices collapsed in 1986, my company withdrew from
that market (closed the division), as there were
simply no more orders coming in at all.
(Fortunately, they had lots of other work, so I just
changed
> projects.)
>
> Don't get too complacent. The
oil boom/bust cycle is not dead and prices WILL go
back up. I have no doubt we'll be paying close
to $5/gallon again. It's only a question of
when http://www.investopedia.com/articles/investing/100615/will-oil-prices-go-2017.asp
>
> Randall
>
>
>
> ------------------------------
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> Message: 13
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:44:10 -0500
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> Cc: Listserv Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM,
Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> wrote:
> > The glut has many causes, but I'd
say chief among them is that the oil companies have
learned a LOT more since then on how to >
squeeze more oil out of the ground (steam injection,
oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to squeeze more
gasoline from a barrel of > crude.
>
> Not to mention overall average
gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not
sure how that number has changed over the years...doubled?
> tripled?
>
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
>
>
> ------------------------------
>
> Message: 14
> Date: Tue, 15 Dec 2015 13:58:51 -0500
> From: Bob Labuz <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> To: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>,
Triumphs List
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Ruminations
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> Jeff,
>
> Not so sure I agree.
>
> I have made over 30MPG on my 2.2 liter
TR3 in the past. 87MM upgrade but with the
stock 4sp transmission.
> WIth OD, I am sure many have done
better.
>
> I average about 25MPG on all my
Triumphs, a 3, 4 and 6 just driving to car hops
etc. No real long range highway mileage. My wife's
4cyl Camry just averaged about 35MPG on our trip out
West. That is real good, but hardly twice my
4CYLs Triumphs. And it is fuel infected etc with
many computers running the show and a 6 speed
transmission. The only computer available when I
drive a Triumph is in my pocket!
>
> The Camry is heavier I am sure and
that engine will last for many more miles but
mileage has not improved as much as one would expect.
I suspect some of the problem is alcohol and less bang
for the buck in the power in todays fuels.
>
> Bob
>
> On 12/15/2015 01:44 PM, Jeff
Scarbrough wrote:
> > On Tue, Dec 15, 2015 at 12:33 PM,
Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> wrote:
> >> The glut has many causes, but
I'd say chief among them is that the oil companies
have learned a LOT more since then on how to
>> squeeze more oil out of the ground (steam
injection, oil shale, fracking, etc) plus how to
squeeze more gasoline from a barrel of >>
crude.
> > Not to mention overall average
gasoline consumption per mile. I'm not
> sure how that number has changed over the
years...doubled? tripled?
> >
> >
> > Jeff Scarbrough
> > Corrosion Acres, Ga.
> >
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