[TR] MGA

Wed Jul 17 17:58:51 MDT 2019

On 7/17/19 4:43 PM, EDWARD WOODS wrote:
>
> Well, in 1951 the TR2 hadn't been invented. But then, neither had the 
> MGA. So what's wrong here? The year?
>
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_continue=4&v=p2qrOg8COx8

Relevant section starts at 8:00 minutes


>
> Ed
>
>> On July 17, 2019 at 3:26 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> I don't know the racing history of the two cars together, but the 
>> racing heritage of Porsche out performing bigger horsepower cars is 
>> legendary.  It all started with a 356 in 1951 when Porsche entered Le 
>> Mans with a 1.1 liter car.  The link below is to a fantastic video of 
>> the restoration of that car.  At 2:30 minute mark into the video is a 
>> still photo from the race, and you can see two MGAs in the photo, but 
>> I don't see a Triumph.  It was the smallest engine in the race, 
>> and they won the race, and that started Porsche racing.  If they had 
>> lost or not done well, history of Porsche would have been changed.
>>
>> The rest of the video is pretty cool how they found the car, through 
>> years of research they were able to verify it was the car that won Le 
>> Mans, and then they did an amazing job to restore it.  The CEO of 
>> Kettle potato chips, he is the owner of the car.
>>
>> https://www.roadandtrack.com/car-culture/classic-cars/a20652380/1951-porsche-356-sl-le-mans-restoration/
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> On July 17, 2019 at 10:16 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>
>>> Cool. Thanks, Rye.  That's sort of what I'm asking.  Engine size can 
>>> be made up by gear ratios, OD's, cams, and so on.  So the Spyder was 
>>> 500 cc's smaller than a Triumph, but significantly outperformed?
>>>
>>>> On July 17, 2019 at 12:30 PM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>>>>
>>>> One correction, James Dean died in a 550 Porsche Spyder, one of 
>>>> only 90 produced, not a Speedster.  It had a 1.5 liter engine, but 
>>>> it was a Carrera engine with twin overhead cams, two separate 
>>>> ignition manifolds and two ignition coils.  It was also a mid 
>>>> engine design like the 914 and the current Boxter and Cayman.  So 
>>>> this car isn't comparable to a Triumph or MGA of that era.
>>>>
>>>> Rye
>>>> 1960 TR3A
>>>> 1963 356
>>>> 1968 912
>>>> 1988 911 Carrera
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On July 16, 2019 at 4:48 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>> Hmmm. So looking quickly other street cars of the time, a 1959 
>>>>> Porsche 356 A had a 1.6 liter engine; I don't know about the 
>>>>> Porsche "speedster" or even if it was different, other than James 
>>>>> Dean died in one.  The 1959 MGA had a 1.6 liter.  The Jaguar XK 
>>>>> 150 had a 3.8 liter engine.  Karmann Ghia had between a 1.1 and 
>>>>> 1.3 liter engine.  As far as I can tell the Fiat 850 started in 
>>>>> 1964, with an engine a single strong man could seemingly lift.  
>>>>> The Sunbeam Alpine was a 1.5 liter.  The Austin Martin DB4 was 3.7 
>>>>> liters.  Couldn't quickly find the big Healeys four and six 
>>>>> cylinder engines.  The Bugeye Sprite was a 0.948 liter; my sister 
>>>>> called it her putt-putt.  Triumphs and Morgans, of course, ran the 
>>>>> same 2 liter engine.
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> All this said, and certainly subject to any corrections you might 
>>>>> have, I remain unsure how Triumphs stacked up in races against 
>>>>> these. Anybody?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> Terry
>>>>>
>>>>>> On July 16, 2019 at 5:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>> 110 mph in 4^th OD is only 4500 rpm. Not what I call “crank 
>>>>>> shattering rpm”.  A stock TR3 won’t usually run that fast of 
>>>>>> course, but 87mm liners were actually cheaper than 83s, back in 
>>>>>> the 70s.  (I actually found a set that had been returned to 
>>>>>> Warshawski’s in Chicago, better known as JC Whitney, for even 
>>>>>> less than the usual price.)
>>>>>>
>>>>>> And I’ve run 4500 for literally hours without a problem.  (Speed 
>>>>>> enforcement in the desert tends to be lax ðŸ˜Š )
>>>>>>
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>>>>>> *From: *TERRY SMITH <mailto:terryrs at comcast.net>
>>>>>> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 16, 2019 1:47 PM
>>>>>> *To: *Randall <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>>>>>> *Cc: *Triumphs <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>>>>> *Subject: *Re: [TR] MGA
>>>>>>
>>>>>> That reminds me.  When I say my TR3 "keeps up with traffic," I'm 
>>>>>> referencing traffic on the freeway here (tollway, rather) that 
>>>>>> clips along between 70 and 80 mph.  I've been curious about the 
>>>>>> various cruising speeds and power performances of TR3's and their 
>>>>>> competition back in the day, cruising that is without winding up 
>>>>>> to crank shattering rpm's.  Anybody familiar with that?
>>>>>>
>>>>>
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