From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jun  1 09:46:12 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 09:46:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
In-Reply-To: <006701d517fd$a4832300$ed896900$@charter.net>
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On 5/31/19 4:10 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> At least there seems to be a clear path to the ice box!
>
> Alex Thomson
>

Yes, that was one of the first things to do.? I wanted to make sure that 
I would have access to sufficient quantities of mechanic's elixir, to be 
applied as needed for relief from the pain in back, hip and knee.? I 
wanted to keep it chilled, in the proper 12 ounce dose containers, and 
the frost buildup was detrimental to proper operation of the, uh, 
medicine cabinet. Defrosted now, in fine working order.

mjb.


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jun  1 16:36:28 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 22:36:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
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 12 oz dose.? HA.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
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Sent: Sat, Jun 1, 2019 10:46 am
Subject: Re: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.

On 5/31/19 4:10 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> At least there seems to be a clear path to the ice box!
>
> Alex Thomson
>

Yes, that was one of the first things to do.? I wanted to make sure that 
I would have access to sufficient quantities of mechanic's elixir, to be 
applied as needed for relief from the pain in back, hip and knee.? I 
wanted to keep it chilled, in the proper 12 ounce dose containers, and 
the frost buildup was detrimental to proper operation of the, uh, 
medicine cabinet. Defrosted now, in fine working order.

mjb.

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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Sun Jun  2 10:20:32 2019
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 12:20:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
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About the only time my garage fridge gets defrosted is when we have a power
outage....

My freezer has nothing but frost in it as well.

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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Sun Jun  2 11:24:44 2019
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 17:24:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Tyres for TR's
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?I installed Michelin on my TR-3 in the mid-1960's. These which were the X series, the original radials that were much better than anything else available at the time. I later tried Dunlops that seemed to run better in the rain. I live in ice and snow country and use Nokian tires from Finland which now are the tires to beat. They fit my TR-6, not sure about TR-3. You can get them online from Walmart or Simple Tire which offer free shipping.    On Saturday, June 1, 2019, 2:02:11 PM EDT, triumphs-request at autox.team.net <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:  
 
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? 1. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (CFM-TR)
? 2. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Wbeech at flash.net)
? 3. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Reihing, Randall S.)
? 4. Vacuum Leak (TERRY SMITH)
? 5. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Jerry Van Vlack)
? 6. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Kinderlehrer)
? 7. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Kinderlehrer)
? 8. Re: Vacuum Leak (wbeech)
? 9. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (wbeech)
? 10. More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
? ? ? (Mark J Bradakis)
? 11. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Reihing, Randall S.)
? 12. Re: Vacuum Leak (Randall)
? 13. Re: More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
? ? ? (Alex & Janet Thomson)
? 14. Re: Nexen tires for a TR3A (Brian Kemp)
? 15. Re: More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
? ? ? (Mark J Bradakis)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:35:24 -0400
From: "CFM-TR" <cfmtr3a at verizon.net>
To: "'Kinderlehrer'" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>,
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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Have the Nexen's; replaced 10 year old Dunlops (because of sidewall
cracking) about 3 years ago.? Very similar tread design.? Don't run many
miles so can't tell you about longevity.? Minimal lead to balance tires.? In
fact, one didn't require any.? I don't know if I believe it but the old guy
that did the balancing said that many times it is the wheel (either wire or
steel or even mag repro's) that cause the balancing problems.? Many times
you can move the tire on the wheel 1/8 or 1/4 turn at a time and eliminate
the issue.

Carl 
1960 Triumph TR3
TS81802LO
Tampa, FL



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Kinderlehrer
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 1:59 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder? 

Thanks,
Bob

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Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:56:51 -0500
From: "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.? 

As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.? 

Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder? 

Thanks,
Bob

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Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 19:46:57 +0000
From: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>
To: "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net>, Kinderlehrer
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated.


Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer), where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying.


I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was when new.


Randall Reihing

1959 TR3A


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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.

As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.

Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?

Thanks,
Bob

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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:15:49 -0400 (EDT)
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Leak
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Randall was right.? I did have multiple problems.? Closer inspection of the ground in the distributor plate showed it was connected and tested fine with an ohms check, but in truth was hanging on by just a few threads.? Fabricated another and now spark is exceptional out of the wire.? Don't ask me how I know that but if you'd like a recommendation of the type screwdriver to test the wire to ground, I can tell you which kind NOT to use.? 


So...the 3 has spark to the plugs and has fuel to the carbs.? Engine cranks but won't catch.? Rechecked float specs and they're good.? Reset richness to 12 flat start-up specs.? So good.? Ran a timing light to see if it had jumped time, tested good.? 


I'm now suspecting a severe enough vacuum leak to keep the gas from being sucked into the chambers.? Checked valve lash, no issues.? Compression test shows 90 plus in all cylinders.? I can't see the intake manifold gasket on the bottom, but that's where it would be...if it is.? 


Question:? with the carbs off and using the solenoid to crank the engine, how much should one feel suction against ones hand at the ports of the intake manifold?? I'm barely feeling any if at all.? Certainly not enough to draw gas in.? 


Thanks, everyone, for your patience!


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A? TS 58667

New Hampshire
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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:20:37 -0400
From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
To: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>,
??? "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net>, "Kinderlehrer"
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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Moral of the story is don?t buy Michelin tires. Actually just my personal opinion, I?ve had them on new cars and could not wait until I could replace them. I think they are overrated. 

From: Reihing, Randall S. 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM
To: Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer 
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A



When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated. 



Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer), where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying. 



I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was when new. 



Randall Reihing

1959 TR3A




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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A 

I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.? 

As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.? 

Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder? 

Thanks,
Bob

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Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:22:22 -0700
From: "Kinderlehrer" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
To: "'Wbeech at flash.net'" <wbeech at flash.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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Thanks. I was offered other brands, like American Tire and BF Goodrich, but at more than twice the price. These are $80/tire, which is really inexpensive - if it's a decent tire. I've seen the Vredesteins on Coker for $120, but I? prefer to buy the tires from the installer.

Bob 

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 11:57 AM
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.? 

As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.? 

Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering be even harder? 

Thanks,
Bob

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Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 13:30:15 -0700
From: "Kinderlehrer" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
To: "'Jerry Van Vlack'" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>, "'Reihing, Randall
??? S.'" <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>, "'Wbeech at flash.net'"
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I think you can have those problems with any brand. I replaced the tires on
my daily driver and they couldn't get the vibration out, tried to tell me I
was the wheels and I should go back to Toyota, they had a good laugh. Made
them replace the tires, BF Goodrich if I remember correctly, and the problem
went away.? 

Bob

 

From: Jerry Van Vlack [mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com] 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 1:21 PM
To: Reihing, Randall S.; Wbeech at flash.net; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

 

Moral of the story is don't buy Michelin tires. Actually just my personal
opinion, I've had them on new cars and could not wait until I could replace
them. I think they are overrated. 

 

From: Reihing, Randall S. 

Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM

To: Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer 

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net 

Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

 

 

When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned
since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue
with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the
vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had
demonstrated. 

 

Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer),
where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my
vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been
installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal
expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel
and it was really annoying. 

 

I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a
balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the
usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move
the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find
the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an
hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was
when new. 

 

Randall Reihing

1959 TR3A

 

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of
Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A 

 

I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone has this
size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155
but not sure about 165.? 

As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run
165 width on 6" minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and
no rubbing.? 

Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder? 

Thanks,
Bob

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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:36:25 -0500
From: "wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Vacuum Leak
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Terry,

You should definitely feel the suck, remember the manifold is cross-connected so you would have to cover both openings at the same time.? Have you tried shooting a little starting fluid into the carbs to see if it will try to start that way?? I know this sounds dumb, but is the rotor on and seated correctly?(BTDT)

Keep chasing you will find it.

 

All the best,

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:16 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Leak

 

Randall was right.? I did have multiple problems.? Closer inspection of the ground in the distributor plate showed it was connected and tested fine with an ohms check, but in truth was hanging on by just a few threads.? Fabricated another and now spark is exceptional out of the wire.? Don't ask me how I know that but if you'd like a recommendation of the type screwdriver to test the wire to ground, I can tell you which kind NOT to use.? 

 

So...the 3 has spark to the plugs and has fuel to the carbs.? Engine cranks but won't catch.? Rechecked float specs and they're good.? Reset richness to 12 flat start-up specs.? So good.? Ran a timing light to see if it had jumped time, tested good.? 

 

I'm now suspecting a severe enough vacuum leak to keep the gas from being sucked into the chambers.? Checked valve lash, no issues.? Compression test shows 90 plus in all cylinders.? I can't see the intake manifold gasket on the bottom, but that's where it would be...if it is.? 

 

Question:? with the carbs off and using the solenoid to crank the engine, how much should one feel suction against ones hand at the ports of the intake manifold?? I'm barely feeling any if at all.? Certainly not enough to draw gas in.? 

 

Thanks, everyone, for your patience!

 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A? TS 58667

New Hampshire

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Message: 9
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:36:25 -0500
From: "wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: "'Kinderlehrer'" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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FWIW, I'm running Nexen tires on my F-150 pickup, they are just fine.
Bill

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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:22 PM
To: 'Wbeech at flash.net' <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

Thanks. I was offered other brands, like American Tire and BF Goodrich, but at more than twice the price. These are $80/tire, which is really inexpensive - if it's a decent tire. I've seen the Vredesteins on Coker for $120, but I? prefer to buy the tires from the installer.

Bob 

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From: Wbeech at flash.net [mailto:wbeech at flash.net] 
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 11:57 AM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.? 

As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.? 

Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering be even harder? 

Thanks,
Bob

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Message: 10
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 15:37:25 -0600
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
Message-ID: <6018e823-5669-bf23-6018-8c24a66ada78 at bradakis.com>
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The thread on TR3 tires got me thinking.? A fire was lit under my lazy 
ass, and I am motivated to get back on the track, and the road.? Sitting 
in the garage is a squaretail Spit that was a driver many years ago.? 
Needed clutch work, which actually got done.? What didn't get done is 
bolting the gearbox back in, etc. So part of the new plan involves 
getting it back together and running again.? The ultimate goal is to get 
the Killer Spitfire back on track and have me drive it in a Kastner Cup 
race.? More on that later.? Well, more on that as time goes along I plan 
to share my progress and shamelessly seek encouragement and support from 
whomever.? The website http://teamfatracing.com should chronicle my 
progress, but at the moment it is a snapshot of The Fat Chance Garage 
page from 15 or so years ago.

Anyway, what are some currently available, decent tires in 185/60-13?

mjb.


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Message: 11
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 21:37:46 +0000
From: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>, "Wbeech at flash.net"
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Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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I don't disagree. I thought it was interesting how moving the tire around the rim, as opposed to those clamp on lead weights, resolved the vibration issue perfectly.


Sincerely,

Randall Reihing

1959 TR3A


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Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 4:20:37 PM
To: Reihing, Randall S.; Wbeech at flash.net; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

Moral of the story is don?t buy Michelin tires. Actually just my personal opinion, I?ve had them on new cars and could not wait until I could replace them. I think they are overrated.

From: Reihing, Randall S.
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM
To: Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A




When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated.



Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a customer), where I buy tires, the salesman said the wheel may be the culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying.



I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration free and smooth driving as it was when new.



Randall Reihing

1959 TR3A



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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
To: Kinderlehrer
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I know they have 155 but not sure about 165.

As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the ground and no rubbing.

Just my thoughts,
Bill B
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> wrote:

Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel and the
only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the steering
be even harder?

Thanks,
Bob

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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 14:36:44 -0700
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <terryrs at comcast.net>,??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Vacuum Leak
Message-ID: <12B2E4DE5B0A43A288B5CD1F7941BB7E at RYPC>
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> Question:? with the carbs off and using the solenoid to crank 
> the engine, how much should one feel suction against ones 
> hand at the ports of the intake manifold?? I'm barely feeling 
> any if at all.? Certainly not enough to draw gas in.? 

With only one hand, almost nothing would be normal.? There is a balance tube
in the manifold, so you would have to block both openings at the same time.
If you only block one, it just draws from the other.

One trick that works well with recalcitrant engines is to squirt a dollop of
carb cleaner (eg Gumout) into each carb throat just before cranking the
engine.? Gumout is actually more flammable than "starting fluid" these days
(they don't sell real ether any more no matter what it says on the can).

If it starts and dies, then you're not getting fuel to the cylinders for
some reason.? Blocked jets, not enough choke, or whatever.? Lift the float
bowl caps off and check actual fuel level in the bowl; it's not un-heard of
for the float valves to stick closed (especially with the fuel we get here
in CA, which seems to dry to an extremely hard white substance instead of
the old brown gummy varnish).

If it won't fire at all, you're either not getting ignition, or it's at the
wrong time.? Clean or change the plugs, test for spark right at a plug
connector, double check that the valves are closed and the piston is near
the top when #1 tries to fire.? Note that it's possible to have fire at the
coil and not at the plugs (bad rotor).? It's also possible to have a spark
that will jump the gap with the plug out of the engine, but won't make it
under compression.? I've had a bad condenser do that to me several times
now, but a bad coil wire (or coil) can do it too.

It's easy for even new plugs to get fouled enough to not fire under
compression.? Just being wet with fuel (or oil) can do it.? Another trick
that sometimes works is to remove each plug in turn and hold it gently with
pliers while you heat the business end with a propane torch.? Keep heating
until there is no more yellow in the flame, or if you never see yellow, the
side electrode glows red.? Reinstall the plug and do the next one.? Don't
forget it's hot!

-- Randall



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Message: 13
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 18:10:22 -0400
From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: "'Mark J Bradakis'" <mark at bradakis.com>,??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
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At least there seems to be a clear path to the ice box!

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Friday, May 31, 2019 5:37 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.

The thread on TR3 tires got me thinking.? A fire was lit under my lazy ass, and I am motivated to get back on the track, and the road.? Sitting in the garage is a squaretail Spit that was a driver many years ago. Needed clutch work, which actually got done.? What didn't get done is bolting the gearbox back in, etc. So part of the new plan involves getting it back together and running again.? The ultimate goal is to get the Killer Spitfire back on track and have me drive it in a Kastner Cup race.? More on that later.? Well, more on that as time goes along I plan to share my progress and shamelessly seek encouragement and support from whomever.? The website http://teamfatracing.com should chronicle my progress, but at the moment it is a snapshot of The Fat Chance Garage page from 15 or so years ago.

Anyway, what are some currently available, decent tires in 185/60-13?

mjb.





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Message: 14
Date: Fri, 31 May 2019 16:36:17 -0700
From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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I've installed Michelin tires on four different cars and been very 
happy.? I would not judge a brand based on the OEM version of the 
tires.? The manufactures care more about a comfortable ride and things 
that help mpg for their overall fleet economy ratings, so even tires 
with the same name can be different between the OEM and retail models.

Brian

On 5/31/2019 1:20 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
> Moral of the story is don?t buy Michelin tires. Actually just my 
> personal opinion, I?ve had them on new cars and could not wait until I 
> could replace them. I think they are overrated.
> *From:* Reihing, Randall S.
> *Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 3:46 PM
> *To:* Wbeech at flash.net ; Kinderlehrer
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
>
> When recently buying a set of four Michelin Defender's for my truck, 
> owned since new and never wrecked or damaged, etc., there was a 
> balancing issue with the new Michelin Defender's. The usual weights 
> were not achieving the vibration free use the prior, worn down but 
> smooth driving BFG tires had demonstrated.
>
> Tireman of Maumee, Ohio (zero affiliation on my part except as a 
> customer), where I buy tires,the salesman said the wheel may be the 
> culprit for my vibration complaint on the brand new Michelin 
> Defender's that had just been installed and had been balanced but were 
> vibrating enough at normal expressway speed limits of 55-65 mph, I 
> could feel it in the steering wheel and it was really annoying.
>
> I returned in less than 8 miles. The Tireman salesman said Tireman had 
> a balancing option referred to as "Force Balancing" wherein they don't 
> use the usual weight's. For "Force Balancing" they use a different 
> machine and move the tire around the rim a very small amount several 
> times until they find the perfect balancing location of tire to wheel. 
> This worked for me and an hour later the truck is now as vibration 
> free and smooth driving as it was when new.
>
> Randall Reihing
>
> 1959 TR3A
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of 
> Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
> *Sent:* Friday, May 31, 2019 2:56:51 PM
> *To:* Kinderlehrer
> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
> I have Vredesteins on the TR3, excellent handling.? Also, Firestone 
> has this size too, Coker may have this in their Michelin X tire, I 
> know they have 155 but not sure about 165.
>
> As for rubbing with wider tires, someone else needs to comment, I have 
> run 165 width on 6? minilites with great results, more rubber on the 
> ground and no rubbing.
>
> Just my thoughts,
> Bill B
> TS30800L
>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On May 31, 2019, at 12:58 PM, Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net> 
> wrote:
>
> Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)? There are very few
> tire stores around here that can still mount a tire on a wire wheel 
> and the
> only tire they seem to be able to get in a 165/80-15 is the Nexen. If I go
> with a wider tire, will I have a problem with rubbing and will the 
> steering
> be even harder?
>
> Thanks,
> Bob
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Message: 15
Date: Sat, 1 Jun 2019 09:46:12 -0600
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] More on tires. And time. And entropy. And inertia.
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On 5/31/19 4:10 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> At least there seems to be a clear path to the ice box!
>
> Alex Thomson
>

Yes, that was one of the first things to do.? I wanted to make sure that 
I would have access to sufficient quantities of mechanic's elixir, to be 
applied as needed for relief from the pain in back, hip and knee.? I 
wanted to keep it chilled, in the proper 12 ounce dose containers, and 
the frost buildup was detrimental to proper operation of the, uh, 
medicine cabinet. Defrosted now, in fine working order.

mjb.


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From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Sun, 2 Jun 2019 18:03:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] Troubleshooting TR3A fuel gauge
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From davidt at opentext.com  Mon Jun  3 11:15:18 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:15:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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FWIW, I am running 195/60/15 goodyear eagle sports on TR6 rims on the ?3a.   Now why did I go this route, well ( the Canadians in the group will understand ) Canadian Tire had an end of line on the model which had 25% of and then on top buy 3 and get 4th.  In the end $$$ trumps just about anything ?

Yeah not completely original but so far seem decent ?

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jun  3 11:23:22 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:23:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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Look good, would never have though to put TR6 rims in a 3.  How wide are the rims?

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:15 PM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:

FWIW, I am running 195/60/15 goodyear eagle sports on TR6 rims on the ?3a.   Now why did I go this route, well ( the Canadians in the group will understand ) Canadian Tire had an end of line on the model which had 25% of and then on top buy 3 and get 4th.  In the end $$$ trumps just about anything ? 
 
Yeah not completely original but so far seem decent ?
 
David
 
 
 
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From davidt at opentext.com  Mon Jun  3 11:54:04 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 17:54:04 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Nexen tires for a TR3A
In-Reply-To: <898D385C-BB82-41F5-A7CF-B9C2A77F53E8@flash.net>
References: <9caba7dc27955d4c0578025ab5adf13c@mail.gmail.com>
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I think they are 7?!?!??!    I am sure Randall Young would have the spec?s for sure :_0

From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 1:23 PM
To: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
Cc: Reihing, Randall S. <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>; Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A

Look good, would never have though to put TR6 rims in a 3.  How wide are the rims?
Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:15 PM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com<mailto:davidt at opentext.com>> wrote:
FWIW, I am running 195/60/15 goodyear eagle sports on TR6 rims on the ?3a.   Now why did I go this route, well ( the Canadians in the group will understand ) Canadian Tire had an end of line on the model which had 25% of and then on top buy 3 and get 4th.  In the end $$$ trumps just about anything ?

Yeah not completely original but so far seem decent ?

David



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From ryel at mac.com  Mon Jun  3 12:00:23 2019
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 11:00:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Nexen tires for a TR3A
In-Reply-To: <YTXPR0101MB21746D3D36B71431F37A61C2B6140@YTXPR0101MB2174.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <9caba7dc27955d4c0578025ab5adf13c@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <D15BBE95-9399-41CB-AE31-84B67B89FDE6@mac.com>

For what it?s worth, I?ve got  6 1/2" Panasport Wheels with 205/60R15 Goodrich Tires, along with a 7/8? front sway bay on my 1960 TR3A. The car handles great.

Rye

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 3, 2019, at 10:54 AM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:
> 
> I think they are 7?!?!??!    I am sure Randall Young would have the spec?s for sure :_0
>  
> From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> 
> Sent: Monday, June 3, 2019 1:23 PM
> To: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
> Cc: Reihing, Randall S. <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>; Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
>  
> Look good, would never have though to put TR6 rims in a 3.  How wide are the rims?
> 
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
> 
> On Jun 3, 2019, at 12:15 PM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:
> 
> FWIW, I am running 195/60/15 goodyear eagle sports on TR6 rims on the ?3a.   Now why did I go this route, well ( the Canadians in the group will understand ) Canadian Tire had an end of line on the model which had 25% of and then on top buy 3 and get 4th.  In the end $$$ trumps just about anything ? 
>  
> Yeah not completely original but so far seem decent ?
>  
> David
>  
>  
>  
> <20190518_161409-1.jpg>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 12:12:44 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 11:12:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Here is a location of spifire parts catalog online
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGih8M5nTJiTXAkeQSoc0k_c_NMYdkUfGKw5oa12zjyUg@mail.gmail.com>

http://www.waghornswood.net.nz/Manuals_01_18/Vehicles/Triumph/Spitfire/triumph_spitfire_1500_1975_onwards_parts_catalogue.pdf


-- 
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Cupertino, California

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jun  3 13:07:59 2019
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 12:07:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Nexen tires for a TR3A
In-Reply-To: <YTXPR0101MB21746D3D36B71431F37A61C2B6140@YTXPR0101MB2174.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
References: <9caba7dc27955d4c0578025ab5adf13c@mail.gmail.com>
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TR6 rims are 5.5", measured in the usual fashion (between the bead seats).

I run them myself, work fine as long as you don't go too far overboard on
tire size.  I run 205/55 tires, which do rub lightly in the rear on hard
corners.

This photo mostly shows the "compact spare" I use (mounted on a stock TR3
rim) so it fits in the spare tire compartment.  But if you look closely,
there is a shiny stripe visible just above the top of the spare, which is
where the wide tires rub the fenders in a hard turn.
https://i.imgur.com/a0NFEto.jpg

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> I think they are 7"!?!??!    I am sure Randall Young would 
> have the spec's for sure :_0 
> 


From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 16:17:17 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 15:17:17 -0700
Subject: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
In-Reply-To: <005e01d517da$7f59f950$7e0debf0$@net>
References: <9caba7dc27955d4c0578025ab5adf13c@mail.gmail.com>
 <45169D326FA442D893E46EA557139B64@RYPC>
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On Fri, May 31, 2019 at 10:59 AM Kinderlehrer <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
wrote:

> Anyone have any experience with the Nexen tire (SB802)?
>

I had them on my (recently sold) TR3A for the past 10 years and had no
problems.  As noted elsewhere, they took very little or no weight to
balance.

[image: Nexen.JPG]

Geo
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Mon Jun  3 11:58:07 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 13:58:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] Nexen tires for a TR3A
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References: <9caba7dc27955d4c0578025ab5adf13c@mail.gmail.com>
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And no rubbing issues with that size, right?

Dave

On Mon, Jun 3, 2019, 1:15 PM David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:

> FWIW, I am running 195/60/15 goodyear eagle sports on TR6 rims on the
> ?3a.   Now why did I go this route, well ( the Canadians in the group will
> understand ) Canadian Tire had an end of line on the model which had 25% of
> and then on top buy 3 and get 4th.  In the end $$$ trumps just about
> anything ?
>
>
>
> Yeah not completely original but so far seem decent ?
>
>
>
> David
>
>
>
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From davidt at opentext.com  Mon Jun  3 12:24:37 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Mon, 3 Jun 2019 18:24:37 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Nexen tires for a TR3A
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjicZ3_A_z1Mk891-ROcaHhNOAQL6mO3_5SbztQpwAt+g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <9caba7dc27955d4c0578025ab5adf13c@mail.gmail.com>
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 <3c7adb156b86225de273049cde412ac5@mail.gmail.com>
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None so far, I think the lower profile really helps.  I am not a small lad and this morning she had a 40mile shakedown.  No rubbing from what I could see.   Now, that being said I wasn?t taking corners at 40mph/60kph ? The attached is the actual size difference.  Original 165/80/15 tr3 tires on top of course.


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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Jun  4 18:01:14 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 17:01:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] what cleaning fluid to use on the face of a block before
 placing head gasket
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGxPkxYUfD2idakfZy11pN1S2jqL7oiPYv5CPd6qrSRmA@mail.gmail.com>

I've used thinners in the past I googled the subject and brake cleaner
comes up often.

Any other recommendations to make sure the block and head are clean before
I reassemble?

Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jun  4 20:14:10 2019
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 21:14:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] what cleaning fluid to use on the face of a block before
 placing head gasket
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGxPkxYUfD2idakfZy11pN1S2jqL7oiPYv5CPd6qrSRmA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGxPkxYUfD2idakfZy11pN1S2jqL7oiPYv5CPd6qrSRmA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9be5a476-82a4-f4e4-6239-d0a241ffaa66@tonydrews.com>

Brake cleaner or Lacquer Thinner.? I typically use Lacquer thinner for 
the head gasket surfaces.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 6/4/2019 7:01 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> I've used thinners in the past I googled the subject and brake cleaner 
> comes up often.
>
> Any other recommendations to make sure the block and head are clean 
> before I reassemble?
>
> Sujit
>
> -- 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Jun  4 22:01:53 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 00:01:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] Overdrive in a TR6
Message-ID: <016301d51b53$698d2170$3ca76450$@uprichard.net>

I have never restored a TR6 but there is one for sale locally.  Apparently
it comes "with the rare factory overdrive option".

 

It is a 1970 car, vin CC 55,000 (ish)

 

Is this likely to be an A-type or a J-type?  I know the difference to look
at the respective overdrives, but the car is lying in a yard, I probably
can't get under it, and the transmission tunnel looks from the photos to be
intact.

 

I'd like to know before making an offer for the car.  Any suggestions?

Andrew Uprichard

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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun  4 22:09:07 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 4 Jun 2019 22:09:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] Overdrive in a TR6
In-Reply-To: <016301d51b53$698d2170$3ca76450$@uprichard.net>
References: <016301d51b53$698d2170$3ca76450$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <dbbea9f8-6c19-d741-8b1f-4c4a20749e62@bradakis.com>

A 1970 would be an A type.

mjb.



From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun  5 05:50:11 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 11:50:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Overdrive in a TR6
In-Reply-To: <016301d51b53$698d2170$3ca76450$@uprichard.net>
References: <016301d51b53$698d2170$3ca76450$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1459195223.246222.1559735411636@mail.yahoo.com>

 The CC cars all had A-type.? I fitted a J-type to a 71 but only with some considerable improvisation.? Certainly not kosher.
 
Dave 
57 TR3
71 TR6

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'TR3/6' <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 4, 2019 11:07 pm
Subject: [TR] Overdrive in a TR6

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Andrew Uprichard** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 08:51:40 2019
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 14:51:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Overdrive in a TR6
In-Reply-To: <016301d51b53$698d2170$3ca76450$@uprichard.net>
References: <016301d51b53$698d2170$3ca76450$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1792461599.361731.1559746300750@mail.yahoo.com>

 If it's stock it would be an A-type.
Chad in Tulsa
    On Tuesday, June 4, 2019, 11:07:30 PM CDT, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:  
 
 
I have never restored a TR6 but there is one for sale locally.? Apparently it comes ?with the rare factory overdrive option?.

 ?

It is a 1970 car, vin CC 55,000 (ish)

 ?

Is this likely to be an A-type or a J-type?? I know the difference to look at the respective overdrives, but the car is lying in a yard, I probably can?t get under it, and the transmission tunnel looks from the photos to be intact.

 ?

I?d like to know before making an offer for the car.? Any suggestions?

Andrew Uprichard
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 10:10:53 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 09:10:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] test please ignore
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHP8n-pJZWFoir64nLhX3fSPWk03VEkgqNeR3ZPhRhsWA@mail.gmail.com>

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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Wed Jun  5 10:39:47 2019
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 12:39:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] Indoor to Outdoor exhaust
Message-ID: <6743f4f5-1a38-4d64-a973-48b25a1129f0@verizon.net>

Summer is upon us here in sunny Florida and the '3 is going into its annual hibernation.? (we have had 20 straight days of 90+ temps.? hardly any rain to cool us off)

Has anyone set up an exhaust extension system so that you can work on the car in the garage? 

My thoughts are to install a port in the wall that a flexible hose will be attached to on the inside and a standing pipe outside.

a) what kind of flex 'pipe' is available for this purpose?? I have seen short pieces of exhaust flex pipe but not sure that would work for longer lengths.
b) should the pipe diameter be larger than the exhaust pipe so that it doesn't create additional pressure on the system?? How much larger? That would require a reducer of some sort at the connection to the exhaust pipe.
c) do I need to be concerned about the total length of the extension?? I think 10-12ft inside will be sufficient and would like a minimum of 8ft vertical height outside.

your thoughts/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.

Carl
1960 TR3A - TS81802LO
Tampa, FL

?Sent from BlueMail ?
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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Wed Jun  5 10:57:29 2019
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 12:57:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL]  Indoor to Outdoor exhaust
In-Reply-To: <BL0PR12MB23693F3212D0E0AB2573029D92160@BL0PR12MB2369.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
References: <6743f4f5-1a38-4d64-a973-48b25a1129f0@verizon.net>
 <BL0PR12MB23693F3212D0E0AB2573029D92160@BL0PR12MB2369.namprd12.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <9c9f2b7d-7532-436d-8707-152973736705@verizon.net>

thanks.? that was in my original plan but not the on the one I was looking at when composing the email.?? I probably would have thought of it again but who knows.? it is roughed in now.? 

?Sent from BlueMail ?

On Jun 5, 2019, 12:44 PM, at 12:44 PM, "Cook, Tommie" <tommie.cook at usoncology.com> wrote:
>Be sure to build a fan into your system that draws the exhaust outside.
>i.e ductwork from tailpipe to a squirrel cage fan that pulls the
>exhaust to outside the garage.
>
>From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Carl-TR
>Sent: Wednesday, June 05, 2019 11:40 AM
>To: Triumph Mail List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TR] Indoor to Outdoor exhaust
>
>CAUTION: This email was sent from an EXTERNAL source. Use caution when
>clicking links or opening attachments
>________________________________
>Summer is upon us here in sunny Florida and the '3 is going into its
>annual hibernation.  (we have had 20 straight days of 90+ temps. 
>hardly any rain to cool us off)
>Has anyone set up an exhaust extension system so that you can work on
>the car in the garage?
>My thoughts are to install a port in the wall that a flexible hose will
>be attached to on the inside and a standing pipe outside.
>a) what kind of flex 'pipe' is available for this purpose?  I have seen
>short pieces of exhaust flex pipe but not sure that would work for
>longer lengths.
>b) should the pipe diameter be larger than the exhaust pipe so that it
>doesn't create additional pressure on the system?  How much larger?
>That would require a reducer of some sort at the connection to the
>exhaust pipe.
>c) do I need to be concerned about the total length of the extension? 
>I think 10-12ft inside will be sufficient and would like a minimum of
>8ft vertical height outside.
>your thoughts/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>Carl
>1960 TR3A - TS81802LO
>Tampa, FL
>Sent from
>BlueMail<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=http-3A__www.bluemail.me_r-3Fb-3D15038&d=DwMFaQ&c=hgbzV1lh1VoO1ynNpMERagHHl0mPTugT-WiPFVSzMn8&r=Tg-MIJHYmgFIzeARjRdB-z8KF0D-roFcj5TySVMB5Dk&m=Zk4v48LkBpXk-KopMcgoE99XKbg5DwEVeb9EVlaISAk&s=DJ2swlLJh2HEqe-XSbrpzfBnBZIDkKKzw3Z9niCW2dY&e=>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 11:55:41 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 10:55:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] Does the photo of this oil filler cap belong to or resemble
 one off a TR7?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFhwKr_Lie8OB1sSJfMUH_zTctofTDt=GLrTaoLdOnEHg@mail.gmail.com>

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From Arakelianp at mossmotors.com  Wed Jun  5 12:28:30 2019
From: Arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 18:28:30 +0000
Subject: [TR] what cleaning fluid to use on the face of a block before
Message-ID: <CO2PR05MB242316F4CA0B7DFF6735FDFFA9160@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

When I was redoing my cylinder head that has a solid copper head gasket, I was advised to use CRC #5021 Gasket remover.  It removes all types gaskets and sealants.  Worked great!
Available at most regular parts stores.  My local had to order it in, took a day.
Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6
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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 13:17:13 2019
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:17:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Does the photo of this oil filler cap belong to or
 resemble one off a TR7?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFhwKr_Lie8OB1sSJfMUH_zTctofTDt=GLrTaoLdOnEHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFhwKr_Lie8OB1sSJfMUH_zTctofTDt=GLrTaoLdOnEHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1039013089.457404.1559762233719@mail.yahoo.com>

 Looks like a gas cap off a Triumph Herald.? ?Little known fact, a Herald Gas cap is a direct fit replacement for a Stag oil fill cap.
Chad in Tulsa
    On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 12:57:41 PM CDT, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 

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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Wed Jun  5 14:26:18 2019
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 16:26:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] Indoor to Outdoor exhaust
In-Reply-To: <002601d51bc7$7773d760$665b8620$@ranteer.com>
References: <6743f4f5-1a38-4d64-a973-48b25a1129f0@verizon.net>
 <002601d51bc7$7773d760$665b8620$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <7310805b-a8e1-4986-88e3-e2bace27fc27@verizon.net>

Dave - will do.? Something to consider - if you can smell "stuff" then the odorless carbon monoxide is seeping into the house.

?Sent from BlueMail ?

On Jun 5, 2019, 1:52 PM, at 1:52 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>Let me know what you do and how it works.  I?m thinking of doing
>something similar.  Wife complains about the smell emanating from the
>garage!!!
>
> 
>
>From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Carl-TR
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:40 AM
>To: Triumph Mail List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [TR] Indoor to Outdoor exhaust
>
> 
>
>Summer is upon us here in sunny Florida and the '3 is going into its
>annual hibernation.  (we have had 20 straight days of 90+ temps. 
>hardly any rain to cool us off)
>
>Has anyone set up an exhaust extension system so that you can work on
>the car in the garage? 
>
>My thoughts are to install a port in the wall that a flexible hose will
>be attached to on the inside and a standing pipe outside.
>
>a) what kind of flex 'pipe' is available for this purpose?  I have seen
>short pieces of exhaust flex pipe but not sure that would work for
>longer lengths.
>
>b) should the pipe diameter be larger than the exhaust pipe so that it
>doesn't create additional pressure on the system?  How much larger?
>That would require a reducer of some sort at the connection to the
>exhaust pipe.
>
>c) do I need to be concerned about the total length of the extension? 
>I think 10-12ft inside will be sufficient and would like a minimum of
>8ft vertical height outside.
>
>your thoughts/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Carl
>
>1960 TR3A - TS81802LO
>
>Tampa, FL
>
>Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=15038>  
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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Wed Jun  5 14:26:22 2019
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (Carl-TR)
Date: Wed, 05 Jun 2019 16:26:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] Indoor to Outdoor exhaust
In-Reply-To: <002601d51bc7$7773d760$665b8620$@ranteer.com>
References: <6743f4f5-1a38-4d64-a973-48b25a1129f0@verizon.net>
 <002601d51bc7$7773d760$665b8620$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <ca756bcb-0d08-4f2c-ad4b-236d765aadc1@verizon.net>

Dave - will do.? Something to consider - if you can smell "stuff" then the odorless carbon monoxide is seeping into the house.

?Sent from BlueMail ?

On Jun 5, 2019, 1:52 PM, at 1:52 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>Let me know what you do and how it works.  I?m thinking of doing
>something similar.  Wife complains about the smell emanating from the
>garage!!!
>
> 
>
>From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Carl-TR
>Sent: Wednesday, June 5, 2019 11:40 AM
>To: Triumph Mail List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>Subject: [TR] Indoor to Outdoor exhaust
>
> 
>
>Summer is upon us here in sunny Florida and the '3 is going into its
>annual hibernation.  (we have had 20 straight days of 90+ temps. 
>hardly any rain to cool us off)
>
>Has anyone set up an exhaust extension system so that you can work on
>the car in the garage? 
>
>My thoughts are to install a port in the wall that a flexible hose will
>be attached to on the inside and a standing pipe outside.
>
>a) what kind of flex 'pipe' is available for this purpose?  I have seen
>short pieces of exhaust flex pipe but not sure that would work for
>longer lengths.
>
>b) should the pipe diameter be larger than the exhaust pipe so that it
>doesn't create additional pressure on the system?  How much larger?
>That would require a reducer of some sort at the connection to the
>exhaust pipe.
>
>c) do I need to be concerned about the total length of the extension? 
>I think 10-12ft inside will be sufficient and would like a minimum of
>8ft vertical height outside.
>
>your thoughts/suggestions will be greatly appreciated.
>
>Carl
>
>1960 TR3A - TS81802LO
>
>Tampa, FL
>
>Sent from BlueMail <http://www.bluemail.me/r?b=15038>  
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 14:35:21 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:35:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] Does the photo of this oil filler cap belong to or
 resemble one off a TR7?
In-Reply-To: <1039013089.457404.1559762233719@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaFhwKr_Lie8OB1sSJfMUH_zTctofTDt=GLrTaoLdOnEHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1039013089.457404.1559762233719@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHbXLh9e2qxfBEfojo0+H6+7wZBEJVtAk8kMAW6C_pJgA@mail.gmail.com>

Hi Chad,
I did a part no search on the Stag oil filler cap and saw the cross
reference to a Herald.
The Stag's normally has 2 prongs however, some folks on the SOC forum have
seen a three pronged one used.
Sujit


On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:17 PM Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> wrote:

> Looks like a gas cap off a Triumph Herald.   Little known fact, a Herald
> Gas cap is a direct fit replacement for a Stag oil fill cap.
>
> Chad in Tulsa
>
> On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 12:57:41 PM CDT, Sujit Roy <
> triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
>
> [image: 20190530_221606.jpg]
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
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>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jun  5 14:38:10 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 13:38:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] what cleaning fluid to use on the face of a block before
In-Reply-To: <CO2PR05MB242316F4CA0B7DFF6735FDFFA9160@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CO2PR05MB242316F4CA0B7DFF6735FDFFA9160@CO2PR05MB2423.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFx9N5w-muzgkQ0LGx=GCfXio_R4KA0jFnM8Es_heUhrg@mail.gmail.com>

I uses Rolocs to clean the block face, but want to make sure it is clean of
oils before I apply a gasket sealant.

Sujit



On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 11:28 AM Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
wrote:

> When I was redoing my cylinder head that has a solid copper head gasket, I
> was advised to use CRC #5021 Gasket remover.  It removes all types gaskets
> and sealants.  Worked great!
>
> Available at most regular parts stores.  My local had to order it in, took
> a day.
>
> Peter Arakelian ? ?71 TR6
>


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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun  5 15:07:15 2019
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 21:07:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Does the photo of this oil filler cap belong to or
 resemble one off a TR7?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHbXLh9e2qxfBEfojo0+H6+7wZBEJVtAk8kMAW6C_pJgA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFhwKr_Lie8OB1sSJfMUH_zTctofTDt=GLrTaoLdOnEHg@mail.gmail.com>
 <1039013089.457404.1559762233719@mail.yahoo.com>
 <CANLCLaHbXLh9e2qxfBEfojo0+H6+7wZBEJVtAk8kMAW6C_pJgA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2035072977.572024.1559768835358@mail.yahoo.com>

 My Stag had 3 prongs.
    On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 3:35:38 PM CDT, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Hi Chad,I did a part no search on the Stag oil filler cap and saw the cross reference to a Herald.The Stag's normally has 2 prongs however, some folks on the SOC forum have seen a three pronged one used.?Sujit

On Wed, Jun 5, 2019 at 12:17 PM Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com> wrote:

 Looks like a gas cap off a Triumph Herald.? ?Little known fact, a Herald Gas cap is a direct fit replacement for a Stag oil fill cap.
Chad in Tulsa
    On Wednesday, June 5, 2019, 12:57:41 PM CDT, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Wed Jun  5 18:05:31 2019
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 19:05:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] Does the photo of this oil filler cap belong to or
 resemble one off a TR7?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFhwKr_Lie8OB1sSJfMUH_zTctofTDt=GLrTaoLdOnEHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFhwKr_Lie8OB1sSJfMUH_zTctofTDt=GLrTaoLdOnEHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <dbdf87b0-ca37-1840-98c0-182843a29421@satx.rr.com>

looks like my stags oil filler cap

On 6/5/2019 12:55 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>
> 20190530_221606.jpg
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Wed Jun  5 21:06:01 2019
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Wed, 5 Jun 2019 22:06:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] 1977 Spitfire in Peyton, CO - $5000
Message-ID: <83fbad3a-df32-4965-fe22-ee9a5ef44d18@tonydrews.com>

Facebook marketplace:

https://www.facebook.com/marketplace/item/327525724613867/?ref=messenger_share

Description:

This is an original 42,000 mile car. New Weber Carb. New Exhaust. New 
brakes and brake lines. Engine and transmission were pulled and new 
gaskets installed. New carpet. New battery. Factory inspection marks. 
Too many new parts to list

NFI, a friend passed this on.

Cheers, Tony Drews

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From staffel at comcast.net  Thu Jun  6 03:53:02 2019
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Thu, 06 Jun 2019 05:53:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cleaning block Tip
Message-ID: <mailman.5.1559814797.12064.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Respectfully? recommended cleaning each thread orifice with brake cleaner and several rounds of Q-tip cleaning until no more oil residue shows on the Q-tip.You really want to make sure that when you Torque down the Cylinder Head? your Torque wrench specs are 'Consistent ' for each sequential Bolt.On Aluminum engines this is way more critical than on Triumph cast iron blocks/cylinder heads, but 'Cleanliness' will ensure future service non weeping head gaskets.Sherman D Taffel, PhDColumbia MD & Goldvein VA65 TR4 CT50054L (original owner)4 Jaguar V12s2 Jensen Interceptors(Chrysler383/440s)3 Jensen GTs (Lotus 907 engines)14 Americans 1936-2015 (4,6,& 8s)Winter motto: "Why start 12 cyl when 4 will do just fine"Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Thu Jun  6 09:39:36 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 11:39:36 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Bought a can of Gremlin Be-Gone
Message-ID: <898951242.532746.1559835577239@connect.xfinity.com>

Quick recap:  TR3 was running smooth, then fluttering for several runs, then the fluttering turned into stalling, but all intermittent.  Couple of times during the trouble-shooting, attempts to start the engine met with a solid clunk and nothing more.  


What I found:


1)  Couple of years ago, the carburetor linkage dropped and shorted the starter hot cable to ground.  Completely melted through the linkage rod.  After replacing just the linkage, car started and ran fine.  Looking deeper this week, though, I saw that the insulator between the positive cable and the starter had cooked.  I don't think that it was malfunctioning because there were no sparks or battery drain, but I did put a thick rubber washer under the cable to the starter.  


2)  The ground wire on the distributor plate had frayed so just a few strands were holding it on.  Replaced that.  I'm assuming it affected the strength of spark.


3)  I've never encountered this and can't explain it.  My carbs are brand new rebuilds from a famous company.  Doesn't matter who.  I'd had them do that several years ago, then simply stored the carbs in the garage without opening the box because I wanted a replacement set ready for when the ones I ran started sucking air at the throttle shafts.  I'd put these on the car because the originals were leaking.  When I was diagnosing the intermittent engine failure, per Randall's suggestion and others I sprayed carburetor cleaner into the intake ports and the car started (briefly).  I could now rule out spark.  And I tested and knew I was getting gas. 


I took the rebuilt carbs apart, checked float levels and all that.  All good.  Then, with the float bowls completely off the carb, I blew through the fuel inlets.  The second carb closest to the firewall tested good, with air going through.  The initial carb, though, has some kind of blockage.  Nothing was getting through.  With the float chamber lid off, the same test came out good, so the float needle valve was working.  The issue, then was some blockage in the float bowl mounting bolt, the one with the hole that lets gas feed the jet assembly (remember, the bowl is off the carb).  I tried taking the float bowl mounting bolt out, but it's froze solid (again, this was a professional rebuild).  I haven't taken the time to seriously break it down yet.  


In the end, I simply replaced the whole float bowl with one from the original carb, reinstalled everything, and the car is back on the road running again smoothly and with power.   What I can't figure out is how a bowl mounting bolt could get blockage when the orifice for the float needle valve is so much smaller, unless some detritus was left behind in the float bowl during the professional rebuild.  


No knock on the rebuilder, though.  They did some heroics for me in the past.  


Thanks, everyone, for your help with all this.


Terry
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From Arakelianp at mossmotors.com  Thu Jun  6 14:04:08 2019
From: Arakelianp at mossmotors.com (Pete Arakelian)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:04:08 +0000
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales of
 E15 Gasoline
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https://www.sema.org/sema-enews/2019/23/us-epa-finalizes-rulemaking-to-permit-year-round-sales-of-e15-gasoline?utm_source=ET&utm_medium=email&utm_content=251663&utm_campaign=eNews3.5



EPA has authorized year round sale of E15.  What is that going to do to our cars?



Peter Arakelian - '71 TR6
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun  6 14:05:47 2019
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:05:47 -0700
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
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> EPA has authorized year round sale of E15.  What is that 
> going to do to our cars?

Not much, especially if you don't put it in the tank.

Seems like a sales opportunity to me, though.  Find (or have made) some carb
needles that are better calibrated to E15 and the world will beat a path to
your door.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Jun  6 14:24:52 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 22:24:52 +0200
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
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I will get the Dremel out and see what I can come up with, just take a
little of the needle to allow more fual and compensate for lower energy
content, right??  Of course may write up will say "digitally (read
"fingers") developed and manufactured to the finest tolerances by Craftsmen
with a lifetime of experience in British engineering (read "fiddling about
with MGs and Triumphs and stuff until they start and idle reasonably
reliable") these special needles will improve the performance of your
Triumph over a broad range of....."


Regards,

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 10:10 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>
> > EPA has authorized year round sale of E15.  What is that
> > going to do to our cars?
>
> Not much, especially if you don't put it in the tank.
>
> Seems like a sales opportunity to me, though.  Find (or have made) some
> carb
> needles that are better calibrated to E15 and the world will beat a path to
> your door.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun  6 14:57:42 2019
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:57:42 -0700
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
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Perhaps I should mention, there is nothing about changing the E15 warning
label, which says to only use E15 in 2001 and newer vehicles.  Since the
last Triumph was some 20 years before that, even the EPA does not recommend
using it in Triumphs.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/EPA_E15_warning_label.jp
g

Personally, I think having more choice is a Good Thing, even if the choices
are not things I want to choose.  AFAIK, the state of California does not
allow E15 here (yet), but I've pulled up to lots of gas pumps in other parts
of the country where the button for E15 is right next to the one for E85.
Didn't hurt me or my car a bit! (Since I didn't push either one of them.)

> I will get the Dremel out and see what I can come up with, 
> just take a little of the needle to allow more fual and 
> compensate for lower energy content, right??  

Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth file and a
light touch rather than a Dremel.  I haven't worked out how big the flat
should be, but it won't take much.  You're only looking for something like
5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).

Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.

-- Randall


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Jun  6 15:58:38 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 15:58:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
In-Reply-To: <A977DEC0BB084269B41EE85B61224458@RYPC>
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Message-ID: <b30a33bc-b354-19df-058d-3f4099a0420c@dfn.com>

On 6/6/2019 2:57 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth file and a
> light touch rather than a Dremel.  I haven't worked out how big the flat
> should be, but it won't take much.  You're only looking for something like
> 5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).
>
> Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.
>
The calculation is .85 x 115.5 + .15 x 76.0/115.5 = 0.94874, nominally - 
5.125%.? But, there are other considerations.? The latent heat of 
evaporation of alcohol is pretty high, so the flame front will propagate 
a bit more slowly, which means the advance can be raised slightly.? And, 
since the octane rating for ethanol is 110, the compression ratio can be 
raised slightly with no ill effect.? Both of those effects translate to 
slightly better mileage, or at least mitigate the loss in fuel value.? 
The octane increase is not insubstantial.? If the gasoline in the blend 
is 87 octane, the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.

Anyone operating at altitudes well above sea level will probably see a 
slight improvement in performance, because of an oxygen atom in the 
alcohol molecule, presuming that all else is right with the engine 
(i.e., mixture correct and timing adjusted for altitude).

The bugaboo, I suppose, is that some people may still have rubber hoses 
installed that aren't alcohol-proof, and that's something that would 
have to be corrected.? Buna-n (nitrile) will work, but with shorter 
life, but neoprene or SBR (styrene-butadiene rubber) would have good 
resistance to alcohol and are readily available. Anyone contemplating 
replacement of rubber hoses with braided stainless steel w/Teflon liners 
should avoid that.? Nylon or XLPE liners are fine.

But, in general, go easy on needle mods.? For SUs and Strombergs, simple 
mixture enrichment and a little fiddling with the advance may get one 
most of the way there.? Plug cuts will tell the tale.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....



From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun  6 18:07:03 2019
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:07:03 -0700
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
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> ? If the gasoline in the blend is 87 octane, 
> the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.

Seems like a big IF to me.  More likely, they'll use a lower (cheaper) cut
of gasoline, so the overall octane will remain much the same.  The E15 pumps
I've seen are still posted at around 87 octane.

-- Randall


From mdporter at dfn.com  Thu Jun  6 18:19:12 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 18:19:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
In-Reply-To: <ECA4BD187679404DAD309148AF719B16@RYPC>
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On 6/6/2019 6:07 PM, Randall wrote:
>>  ? If the gasoline in the blend is 87 octane,
>> the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.
> Seems like a big IF to me.  More likely, they'll use a lower (cheaper) cut
> of gasoline, so the overall octane will remain much the same.  The E15 pumps
> I've seen are still posted at around 87 octane.
>
Very possible.? I don't think we have any around here (although there 
are a few around with "ethanol added," probably at rates of 8-10%, and, 
yeah, those are not uniformly rated at higher octane), so I can only 
guess at E15.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....



From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jun  6 19:15:10 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 01:15:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
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 I would have thought you can get +\- 5% changes just in the adjustments available.
The other consideration is what does the alcohol do the the rubber parts in the fuel system.? Here in the Midwest we have had 5% alcohol in our gas for decades.? Both my cars suffered fuel pump failures when the pump diaphragm? went all stiff and cardboardy on me.? I fitted an electric pump to the TR6 and a rebuild kit in the TR3 is still working just fine.? Replacing all the fuel hoses is a good idea, too.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>; 'Greg Lemon' <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 'Pete Arakelian' <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2019 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales of E15 Gasoline

On 6/6/2019 2:57 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth file and a
> light touch rather than a Dremel.? I haven't worked out how big the flat
> should be, but it won't take much.? You're only looking for something like
> 5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).
>
> Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.
>
The calculation is .85 x 115.5 + .15 x 76.0/115.5 = 0.94874, nominally - 
5.125%.? But, there are other considerations.? The latent heat of 
evaporation of alcohol is pretty high, so the flame front will propagate 
a bit more slowly, which means the advance can be raised slightly.? And, 
since the octane rating for ethanol is 110, the compression ratio can be 
raised slightly with no ill effect.? Both of those effects translate to 
slightly better mileage, or at least mitigate the loss in fuel value.? 
The octane increase is not insubstantial.? If the gasoline in the blend 
is 87 octane, the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.

Anyone operating at altitudes well above sea level will probably see a 
slight improvement in performance, because of an oxygen atom in the 
alcohol molecule, presuming that all else is right with the engine 
(i.e., mixture correct and timing adjusted for altitude).

The bugaboo, I suppose, is that some people may still have rubber hoses 
installed that aren't alcohol-proof, and that's something that would 
have to be corrected.? Buna-n (nitrile) will work, but with shorter 
life, but neoprene or SBR (styrene-butadiene rubber) would have good 
resistance to alcohol and are readily available. Anyone contemplating 
replacement of rubber hoses with braided stainless steel w/Teflon liners 
should avoid that.? Nylon or XLPE liners are fine.

But, in general, go easy on needle mods.? For SUs and Strombergs, simple 
mixture enrichment and a little fiddling with the advance may get one 
most of the way there.? Plug cuts will tell the tale.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....



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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun  6 21:10:33 2019
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:10:33 -0700
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
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> I would have thought you can get +\- 5% changes just in the 
> adjustments available.

A stock TR250 lacks mixture adjustment at all; the later TR6 carbs have only
a very limited range of adjustment.  And it mostly affects idle, the effect
on open throttle is even less.

> The other consideration is what does the alcohol do the the 
> rubber parts in the fuel system. 

Agreed, but E15 isn't going to be any worse in that respect than E10; which
is already available everywhere, year round.

> Replacing all the fuel hoses is a good idea, too.

Good idea anyway, if they haven't been done in the past decade or two.  The
original type hoses are only good for 10-20 years, even without ethanol in
the fuel.

But anything sold in the US as "fuel line" in the past 20 years or so should
be ethanol-resistant.

-- Randall


From spamiam at comcast.net  Fri Jun  7 14:32:07 2019
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 16:32:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
Message-ID: <C1EF217F-C989-4910-BECB-A7EA05F4AC1C@comcast.net>

I worked on this for my TR4A with stock engine and everything.   

I forget the details but as I recall the mixture needed to be a bit richer.  Again, as I recall, pure ethanol needs to be quite rich compared to pure gasoline.  
I then computed the added mixture for E10.  Then I calculated the open area of the stock needle in the jet.  I made a first approximation that the mixture is directly proportional to the open area between the needle and the jet.  

So I needed to calculate a smaller diameter such that the area was the correct proportion larger.  I then did that for each of the "stations" on the needle specification.   

I then used an excel spreadsheet that can search for the closest overall match for the hypothetical needle profile.  As I vaguely recall it was RL.  I'd have to check on that.  

I put that needle in the carbs and it runs fine and a wide band oxygen sensor up the tail pipe said the mixture was quite reasonable throughout the full power range

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 2
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:05:47 -0700
> From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: "'Pete Arakelian'" <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>,
>    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
>    Sales of E15 Gasoline
> Message-ID: <02CFBDF94A114C64BBA34ABFF7FB0EFB at RYPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
>> EPA has authorized year round sale of E15.  What is that 
>> going to do to our cars?
> 
> Not much, especially if you don't put it in the tank.
> 
> Seems like a sales opportunity to me, though.  Find (or have made) some carb
> needles that are better calibrated to E15 and the world will beat a path to
> your door.


From spamiam at comcast.net  Fri Jun  7 14:40:24 2019
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 16:40:24 -0400
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
Message-ID: <80F809A1-F046-489D-A907-AC267896DDE8@comcast.net>

Even a file is too aggressive and can't possibly get it round enough

Ideally it would be in a lathe but that is really hard to do

The best way to do it by hand is to chuck it into a drill press and spin it. Then use fine sandpaper and remove brass in the desired area very gently.  A thousandth of an inch makes a big difference!  You are likely looking for around 0.005" removal.  

I suspect that the mixture is a non-linear function of open cross section area. As the space between the needle and the jet gets wider, I bet the flow gets a lot easier.  There could easily be issues of turbulent flow vs laminar flow as the walls get further apart.  

Nevertheless my first approximation assuming a linear function resulted in a needle selection that seemed quite good for my engine. 

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jun 7, 2019, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 4
> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:57:42 -0700
> From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
> To: "'Greg Lemon'" <grglmn at gmail.com>
> Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "'Pete Arakelian'"
>    <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
>    Sales of E15 Gasoline
> Message-ID: <A977DEC0BB084269B41EE85B61224458 at RYPC>
> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
> 
> 
> Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth file and a
> light touch rather than a Dremel.  I haven't worked out how big the flat
> should be, but it won't take much.  You're only looking for something like
> 5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).
> 
> Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.
> 
> -- Randall


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jun  7 14:53:12 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 07 Jun 2019 13:53:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
 of E15 Gasoline
In-Reply-To: <80F809A1-F046-489D-A907-AC267896DDE8@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <97732F5B-1C69-41BD-B7FE-BDEE809F4BDE@ca.rr.com>

Why would it have to be round?

Sure, there are boundary effects and such, but the fuel velocity in the jet is low, reasonably constant, and the same as before.  I would expect the side effects to be reasonably small. A 5% increase in effective opening should get pretty close to 5% more fuel, even if the opening is no longer a ring??
-- Randall

On 7 June 2019 13:40:24 GMT-07:00, Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> wrote:
>Even a file is too aggressive and can't possibly get it round enough
>
>Ideally it would be in a lathe but that is really hard to do
>
>The best way to do it by hand is to chuck it into a drill press and
>spin it. Then use fine sandpaper and remove brass in the desired area
>very gently.  A thousandth of an inch makes a big difference!  You are
>likely looking for around 0.005" removal.  
>
>I suspect that the mixture is a non-linear function of open cross
>section area. As the space between the needle and the jet gets wider, I
>bet the flow gets a lot easier.  There could easily be issues of
>turbulent flow vs laminar flow as the walls get further apart.  
>
>Nevertheless my first approximation assuming a linear function resulted
>in a needle selection that seemed quite good for my engine. 
>
>-Tony
>
>Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine
>
>> On Jun 7, 2019, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
>> 
>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:57:42 -0700
>> From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
>> To: "'Greg Lemon'" <grglmn at gmail.com>
>> Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "'Pete Arakelian'"
>>    <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
>>    Sales of E15 Gasoline
>> Message-ID: <A977DEC0BB084269B41EE85B61224458 at RYPC>
>> Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"
>> 
>> 
>> Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth
>file and a
>> light touch rather than a Dremel.  I haven't worked out how big the
>flat
>> should be, but it won't take much.  You're only looking for something
>like
>> 5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).
>> 
>> Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.
>> 
>> -- Randall
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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Sat Jun  8 08:11:19 2019
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 14:11:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 123
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I just go to NY and buy the nonalcohol gas they have for sale for my small engine stuff. Would work here, don't know availability elsewhere. Joe
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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? 1. U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales of
? ? ? E15 Gasoline (Pete Arakelian)
? 2. Re: U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (Randall)
? 3. Re: U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (Greg Lemon)
? 4. Re: U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (Randall)
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? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (Michael Porter)
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? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (Randall)
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? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (Michael Porter)
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? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (DAVID MASSEY)
? 9. Re: U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
? ? ? of E15 Gasoline (Randall)


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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:04:08 +0000
From: Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
To: "'triumphs at autox.team.net'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales
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EPA has authorized year round sale of E15.? What is that going to do to our cars?



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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 13:05:47 -0700
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'Pete Arakelian'" <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>,
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Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
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> EPA has authorized year round sale of E15.? What is that 
> going to do to our cars?

Not much, especially if you don't put it in the tank.

Seems like a sales opportunity to me, though.? Find (or have made) some carb
needles that are better calibrated to E15 and the world will beat a path to
your door.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 



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Message: 3
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 22:24:52 +0200
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Pete Arakelian <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>,
??? triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
??? Sales of E15 Gasoline
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I will get the Dremel out and see what I can come up with, just take a
little of the needle to allow more fual and compensate for lower energy
content, right??? Of course may write up will say "digitally (read
"fingers") developed and manufactured to the finest tolerances by Craftsmen
with a lifetime of experience in British engineering (read "fiddling about
with MGs and Triumphs and stuff until they start and idle reasonably
reliable") these special needles will improve the performance of your
Triumph over a broad range of....."


Regards,

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Jun 6, 2019, 10:10 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

>
> > EPA has authorized year round sale of E15.? What is that
> > going to do to our cars?
>
> Not much, especially if you don't put it in the tank.
>
> Seems like a sales opportunity to me, though.? Find (or have made) some
> carb
> needles that are better calibrated to E15 and the world will beat a path to
> your door.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
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From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'Greg Lemon'" <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>, "'Pete Arakelian'"
??? <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
??? Sales of E15 Gasoline
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Perhaps I should mention, there is nothing about changing the E15 warning
label, which says to only use E15 in 2001 and newer vehicles.? Since the
last Triumph was some 20 years before that, even the EPA does not recommend
using it in Triumphs.
https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/7/72/EPA_E15_warning_label.jp
g

Personally, I think having more choice is a Good Thing, even if the choices
are not things I want to choose.? AFAIK, the state of California does not
allow E15 here (yet), but I've pulled up to lots of gas pumps in other parts
of the country where the button for E15 is right next to the one for E85.
Didn't hurt me or my car a bit! (Since I didn't push either one of them.)

> I will get the Dremel out and see what I can come up with, 
> just take a little of the needle to allow more fual and 
> compensate for lower energy content, right??? 

Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth file and a
light touch rather than a Dremel.? I haven't worked out how big the flat
should be, but it won't take much.? You're only looking for something like
5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).

Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.

-- Randall



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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 15:58:38 -0600
From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>, 'Greg Lemon' <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, 'Pete Arakelian'
??? <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
??? Sales of E15 Gasoline
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On 6/6/2019 2:57 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth file and a
> light touch rather than a Dremel.? I haven't worked out how big the flat
> should be, but it won't take much.? You're only looking for something like
> 5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).
>
> Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.
>
The calculation is .85 x 115.5 + .15 x 76.0/115.5 = 0.94874, nominally - 
5.125%.? But, there are other considerations.? The latent heat of 
evaporation of alcohol is pretty high, so the flame front will propagate 
a bit more slowly, which means the advance can be raised slightly.? And, 
since the octane rating for ethanol is 110, the compression ratio can be 
raised slightly with no ill effect.? Both of those effects translate to 
slightly better mileage, or at least mitigate the loss in fuel value.? 
The octane increase is not insubstantial.? If the gasoline in the blend 
is 87 octane, the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.

Anyone operating at altitudes well above sea level will probably see a 
slight improvement in performance, because of an oxygen atom in the 
alcohol molecule, presuming that all else is right with the engine 
(i.e., mixture correct and timing adjusted for altitude).

The bugaboo, I suppose, is that some people may still have rubber hoses 
installed that aren't alcohol-proof, and that's something that would 
have to be corrected.? Buna-n (nitrile) will work, but with shorter 
life, but neoprene or SBR (styrene-butadiene rubber) would have good 
resistance to alcohol and are readily available. Anyone contemplating 
replacement of rubber hoses with braided stainless steel w/Teflon liners 
should avoid that.? Nylon or XLPE liners are fine.

But, in general, go easy on needle mods.? For SUs and Strombergs, simple 
mixture enrichment and a little fiddling with the advance may get one 
most of the way there.? Plug cuts will tell the tale.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....




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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 17:07:03 -0700
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
??? Sales of E15 Gasoline
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> ? If the gasoline in the blend is 87 octane, 
> the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.

Seems like a big IF to me.? More likely, they'll use a lower (cheaper) cut
of gasoline, so the overall octane will remain much the same.? The E15 pumps
I've seen are still posted at around 87 octane.

-- Randall



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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 18:19:12 -0600
From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
??? Sales of E15 Gasoline
Message-ID: <1dd9d772-3b4f-dc84-ad0a-b8cbb7864141 at dfn.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed

On 6/6/2019 6:07 PM, Randall wrote:
>>? ? If the gasoline in the blend is 87 octane,
>> the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.
> Seems like a big IF to me.? More likely, they'll use a lower (cheaper) cut
> of gasoline, so the overall octane will remain much the same.? The E15 pumps
> I've seen are still posted at around 87 octane.
>
Very possible.? I don't think we have any around here (although there 
are a few around with "ethanol added," probably at rates of 8-10%, and, 
yeah, those are not uniformly rated at higher octane), so I can only 
guess at E15.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....




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Message: 8
Date: Fri, 7 Jun 2019 01:15:10 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: mdporter at dfn.com, TR3driver at ca.rr.com, grglmn at gmail.com
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, Arakelianp at mossmotors.com
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
??? Sales of E15 Gasoline
Message-ID: <1360013097.13274.1559870110702 at mail.yahoo.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 I would have thought you can get +\- 5% changes just in the adjustments available.
The other consideration is what does the alcohol do the the rubber parts in the fuel system.? Here in the Midwest we have had 5% alcohol in our gas for decades.? Both my cars suffered fuel pump failures when the pump diaphragm? went all stiff and cardboardy on me.? I fitted an electric pump to the TR6 and a rebuild kit in the TR3 is still working just fine.? Replacing all the fuel hoses is a good idea, too.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>; 'Greg Lemon' <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 'Pete Arakelian' <Arakelianp at mossmotors.com>
Sent: Thu, Jun 6, 2019 4:59 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round Sales of E15 Gasoline

On 6/6/2019 2:57 PM, Randall wrote:
>
> Those brass needles are really soft; I would suggest a fine tooth file and a
> light touch rather than a Dremel.? I haven't worked out how big the flat
> should be, but it won't take much.? You're only looking for something like
> 5% more fuel (or maybe 6%, depending on whose numbers you believe).
>
> Again assuming you want to run E15 in the first place.
>
The calculation is .85 x 115.5 + .15 x 76.0/115.5 = 0.94874, nominally - 
5.125%.? But, there are other considerations.? The latent heat of 
evaporation of alcohol is pretty high, so the flame front will propagate 
a bit more slowly, which means the advance can be raised slightly.? And, 
since the octane rating for ethanol is 110, the compression ratio can be 
raised slightly with no ill effect.? Both of those effects translate to 
slightly better mileage, or at least mitigate the loss in fuel value.? 
The octane increase is not insubstantial.? If the gasoline in the blend 
is 87 octane, the total blend with 15% ethanol is 90.5.

Anyone operating at altitudes well above sea level will probably see a 
slight improvement in performance, because of an oxygen atom in the 
alcohol molecule, presuming that all else is right with the engine 
(i.e., mixture correct and timing adjusted for altitude).

The bugaboo, I suppose, is that some people may still have rubber hoses 
installed that aren't alcohol-proof, and that's something that would 
have to be corrected.? Buna-n (nitrile) will work, but with shorter 
life, but neoprene or SBR (styrene-butadiene rubber) would have good 
resistance to alcohol and are readily available. Anyone contemplating 
replacement of rubber hoses with braided stainless steel w/Teflon liners 
should avoid that.? Nylon or XLPE liners are fine.

But, in general, go easy on needle mods.? For SUs and Strombergs, simple 
mixture enrichment and a little fiddling with the advance may get one 
most of the way there.? Plug cuts will tell the tale.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


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Date: Thu, 6 Jun 2019 20:10:33 -0700
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] U.S. EPA Finalizes Rulemaking to Permit Year-Round
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> I would have thought you can get +\- 5% changes just in the 
> adjustments available.

A stock TR250 lacks mixture adjustment at all; the later TR6 carbs have only
a very limited range of adjustment.? And it mostly affects idle, the effect
on open throttle is even less.

> The other consideration is what does the alcohol do the the 
> rubber parts in the fuel system. 

Agreed, but E15 isn't going to be any worse in that respect than E10; which
is already available everywhere, year round.

> Replacing all the fuel hoses is a good idea, too.

Good idea anyway, if they haven't been done in the past decade or two.? The
original type hoses are only good for 10-20 years, even without ethanol in
the fuel.

But anything sold in the US as "fuel line" in the past 20 years or so should
be ethanol-resistant.

-- Randall



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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Sat Jun  8 16:05:21 2019
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 22:05:21 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR Needles
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Listers,

 I have been running a TR3 with a 89MM bore and various other stuff. It should have a good 140+ HP.

 It is quick.

It has RH needles and is run on E15. The needles show a good color.


CHEERS

John Taylor

133 Barton RD

Greenfield MA 01301 USA


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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sat Jun  8 16:22:35 2019
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sat, 8 Jun 2019 18:22:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR Needles
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What does the color of needles have to do with this or did you mean the plugs show good color?

From: j t 
Sent: Saturday, June 8, 2019 6:05 PM
To: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest 
Subject: [TR] TR Needles

Listers,

I have been running a TR3 with a 89MM bore and various other stuff. It should have a good 140+ HP.

It is quick.

It has RH needles and is run on E15. The needles show a good color. 

CHEERS

John Taylor

133 Barton RD

Greenfield MA 01301 USA




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From davidt at opentext.com  Sun Jun  9 12:05:27 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 18:05:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] Shakedown drive questions
Message-ID: <YTXPR0101MB21897A92AEFBE456F35D6246B6120@YTXPR0101MB2189.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

As reported, I have been doing shakedown runs with the ?3a, getting in the 100km shake out and seeing where everything is.  What I have so far


  *   5w-30 and cheap oil filter swapped out for VR-1 20-50 and much better filter.
  *   Gearbox oil drained ( unknown vintage ) and Valvoline MTL filled ( very quiet now ?)
  *   Looks like my attempt to adjust the fuel gauge is not working completely.

But some things I have noticed during and after a drive


  *   After even a short drive, open the hood and vapors, do not know if it is steam or smoke is coming out of the valve breather?.What is that?
  *   Cruising along in 4th at about 100kph/60mph, give a little more gas I hear, what is badly described as a ?pinging? of ?tinging?.  I am thinking the dizzy is advancing too far?  Or not far enough?
  *   Looks like the MTL being a little thinner and as such is ?weeping? from places ?

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jun  9 12:46:48 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 13:46:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Shakedown drive questions
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Shakedown runs are good, I try to get in at least 200 miles before buttoning up the interior 

RE: Smoke from the breather.  Check you water level to be sure it is where you last checked it.  Pull the oil filler cap and look underneath, if you see a grayish gunk then you probably have water in your oil....not a good thing.  Clean it off and go again to be sure.  

RE: Pinging.  Where do you live, hot day driving?  Pinging, or pre-ignition, can be either timing is too advanced or you need to step up the octane rating of your petrol.  In the summertime I always run premium.  This could be causing the engine to run hot and thus some smoke, if not steam, at your breather.  

Hope this helps,
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:05 PM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:

As reported, I have been doing shakedown runs with the ?3a, getting in the 100km shake out and seeing where everything is.  What I have so far
 
5w-30 and cheap oil filter swapped out for VR-1 20-50 and much better filter.
Gearbox oil drained ( unknown vintage ) and Valvoline MTL filled ( very quiet now ?)
Looks like my attempt to adjust the fuel gauge is not working completely. 
 
But some things I have noticed during and after a drive
 
After even a short drive, open the hood and vapors, do not know if it is steam or smoke is coming out of the valve breather?.What is that?
Cruising along in 4th at about 100kph/60mph, give a little more gas I hear, what is badly described as a ?pinging? of ?tinging?.  I am thinking the dizzy is advancing too far?  Or not far enough?
Looks like the MTL being a little thinner and as such is ?weeping? from places ?
 
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From davidt at opentext.com  Sun Jun  9 13:19:12 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:19:12 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Shakedown drive questions
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Ok checked under cap, minor amount of black "soot" so thinking oil blow off?   Definitely no water.  Phew :-)

As for the temperature, southern Ontario yesterday was 24degC so nothing overly hot but motor did get up to 190degF.

So, try retarding the dizzy a bit or stick some premium fuel in as step one?



On Jun 9, 2019 2:47 PM, "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
Shakedown runs are good, I try to get in at least 200 miles before buttoning up the interior

RE: Smoke from the breather.  Check you water level to be sure it is where you last checked it.  Pull the oil filler cap and look underneath, if you see a grayish gunk then you probably have water in your oil....not a good thing.  Clean it off and go again to be sure.

RE: Pinging.  Where do you live, hot day driving?  Pinging, or pre-ignition, can be either timing is too advanced or you need to step up the octane rating of your petrol.  In the summertime I always run premium.  This could be causing the engine to run hot and thus some smoke, if not steam, at your breather.

Hope this helps,
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:05 PM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com<mailto:davidt at opentext.com>> wrote:

As reported, I have been doing shakedown runs with the ?3a, getting in the 100km shake out and seeing where everything is.  What I have so far


  *   5w-30 and cheap oil filter swapped out for VR-1 20-50 and much better filter.
  *   Gearbox oil drained ( unknown vintage ) and Valvoline MTL filled ( very quiet now ?)
  *   Looks like my attempt to adjust the fuel gauge is not working completely.

But some things I have noticed during and after a drive


  *   After even a short drive, open the hood and vapors, do not know if it is steam or smoke is coming out of the valve breather?.What is that?
  *   Cruising along in 4th at about 100kph/60mph, give a little more gas I hear, what is badly described as a ?pinging? of ?tinging?.  I am thinking the dizzy is advancing too far?  Or not far enough?
  *   Looks like the MTL being a little thinner and as such is ?weeping? from places ?

David



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From davidt at opentext.com  Sun Jun  9 13:33:56 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 19:33:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Shakedown drive questions
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Popped the dizzy cap off and the rotor looks like this.  And further clues?

On Jun 9, 2019 2:47 PM, "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
Shakedown runs are good, I try to get in at least 200 miles before buttoning up the interior

RE: Smoke from the breather.  Check you water level to be sure it is where you last checked it.  Pull the oil filler cap and look underneath, if you see a grayish gunk then you probably have water in your oil....not a good thing.  Clean it off and go again to be sure.

RE: Pinging.  Where do you live, hot day driving?  Pinging, or pre-ignition, can be either timing is too advanced or you need to step up the octane rating of your petrol.  In the summertime I always run premium.  This could be causing the engine to run hot and thus some smoke, if not steam, at your breather.

Hope this helps,
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:05 PM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com<mailto:davidt at opentext.com>> wrote:

As reported, I have been doing shakedown runs with the ?3a, getting in the 100km shake out and seeing where everything is.  What I have so far


  *   5w-30 and cheap oil filter swapped out for VR-1 20-50 and much better filter.
  *   Gearbox oil drained ( unknown vintage ) and Valvoline MTL filled ( very quiet now ?)
  *   Looks like my attempt to adjust the fuel gauge is not working completely.

But some things I have noticed during and after a drive


  *   After even a short drive, open the hood and vapors, do not know if it is steam or smoke is coming out of the valve breather?.What is that?
  *   Cruising along in 4th at about 100kph/60mph, give a little more gas I hear, what is badly described as a ?pinging? of ?tinging?.  I am thinking the dizzy is advancing too far?  Or not far enough?
  *   Looks like the MTL being a little thinner and as such is ?weeping? from places ?

David



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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jun  9 13:52:58 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 14:52:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Shakedown drive questions
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Glad to hear you don?t have a water issue?? If this is a new build the smoke you are seeing could simply be stray bits of lube burning off.

 

Fiddle with the timing a little, I use the factory recommended 4deg BTDC but other people have varied from this, usually more advanced.  Don?t know how much petro is in your tank so allow for that blending before you rule out premium gas as a solution.

 

Good luck.

Bill

 

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Sent: Sunday, June 9, 2019 2:19 PM
To: Wbeech at flash.net
Cc: Triumphs at Autox Team. Net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [TR] Shakedown drive questions

 

Ok checked under cap, minor amount of black "soot" so thinking oil blow off?   Definitely no water.  Phew :-) 

 

As for the temperature, southern Ontario yesterday was 24degC so nothing overly hot but motor did get up to 190degF.  

 

So, try retarding the dizzy a bit or stick some premium fuel in as step one?

 

 

 

On Jun 9, 2019 2:47 PM, "Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net> " <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote:

Shakedown runs are good, I try to get in at least 200 miles before buttoning up the interior  

 

RE: Smoke from the breather.  Check you water level to be sure it is where you last checked it.  Pull the oil filler cap and look underneath, if you see a grayish gunk then you probably have water in your oil....not a good thing.  Clean it off and go again to be sure.  

 

RE: Pinging.  Where do you live, hot day driving?  Pinging, or pre-ignition, can be either timing is too advanced or you need to step up the octane rating of your petrol.  In the summertime I always run premium.  This could be causing the engine to run hot and thus some smoke, if not steam, at your breather.  

 

Hope this helps,

Bill

 

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X


On Jun 9, 2019, at 1:05 PM, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com <mailto:davidt at opentext.com> > wrote:

As reported, I have been doing shakedown runs with the ?3a, getting in the 100km shake out and seeing where everything is.  What I have so far

 

*	5w-30 and cheap oil filter swapped out for VR-1 20-50 and much better filter.
*	Gearbox oil drained ( unknown vintage ) and Valvoline MTL filled ( very quiet now ?) 
*	Looks like my attempt to adjust the fuel gauge is not working completely.  

 

But some things I have noticed during and after a drive

 

*	After even a short drive, open the hood and vapors, do not know if it is steam or smoke is coming out of the valve breather?.What is that?
*	Cruising along in 4th at about 100kph/60mph, give a little more gas I hear, what is badly described as a ?pinging? of ?tinging?.  I am thinking the dizzy is advancing too far?  Or not far enough?
*	Looks like the MTL being a little thinner and as such is ?weeping? from places ? 

 

David 

 

 

 

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Should have said color of plugs



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Listers,

 I have been running a TR3 with a 89MM bore and various other stuff. It should have a good 140+ HP.

 It is quick.

It has RH needles and is run on E15. The needles show a good color.


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What does the color of needles have to do with this or did you mean the plugs show good color?

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Listers,

I have been running a TR3 with a 89MM bore and various other stuff. It should have a good 140+ HP.

It is quick.

It has RH needles and is run on E15. The needles show a good color.

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jun  9 17:51:04 2019
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 16:51:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] Shakedown drive questions
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> *	After even a short drive, open the hood and vapors, do 
> not know if it is steam or smoke is coming out of the valve 
> breather?.What is that?

Piston rings never seal perfectly, a tiny bit of exhaust gets into the crankcase every time a cylinder fires.  Exhaust has a lot of water in it, which can condense to visible vapor.  Plus, the oil flying off the crankshaft (and other places) tends to form an oil mist, which gets pushed out by the exhaust gases.  So, it winds up being a mixture of oil, smoke and steam.

> *	Cruising along in 4th at about 100kph/60mph, give a 
> little more gas I hear, what is badly described as a 
> ?pinging? of ?tinging?.  I am thinking the dizzy is advancing 
> too far?  Or not far enough?

Probably too far for conditions.  Double-check your initial advance, which should be around 4 degrees BTDC.  If you can set it there and still hear pinging under any conditions, then I would check the advance operation.

Don't continue to drive it that way, as pinging can destroy pistons, etc.

> *	Looks like the MTL being a little thinner and as such 
> is ?weeping? from places ? 

Part of the reason I like MT-90 instead.

-- Randall


From lherault at verizon.net  Sun Jun  9 20:04:48 2019
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 22:04:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 126
In-Reply-To: <mailman.796.1560108843.12067.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.796.1560108843.12067.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <002c01d51f30$e242af50$a6c80df0$@net>

When I first got my then 10 year old '58 TR-3 I mentioned to our family's
mechanic that the car had a fair amount of vibration at 65 MPH.  He told me
to not go that fast. 8-).  He did also agree to check tire balance which
fixed the issue.

Ron L

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Today's Topics:

   1. Shakedown drive questions (David Templeton)
   

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Date: Sun, 9 Jun 2019 18:05:27 +0000
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Shakedown drive questions
Message-ID:
	
<YTXPR0101MB21897A92AEFBE456F35D6246B6120 at YTXPR0101MB2189.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTL
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As reported, I have been doing shakedown runs with the ?3a, getting in the
100km shake out and seeing where everything is.  What I have so far



From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Jun 10 08:29:30 2019
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 07:29:30 -0700
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Shakedown drive questions
In-Reply-To: <13e730c3-f975-4771-98d0-b74a73a2d282@email.android.com>
References: <YTXPR0101MB21897A92AEFBE456F35D6246B6120@YTXPR0101MB2189.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>,
 <21EB7687-265C-4135-9951-B5BA0379924E@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <081D6F3E155F4EC88748168F22F8B68D@RYPC>

> Popped the dizzy cap off and the rotor looks like this.  And 
> further clues?

Looks fine to me.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


From staffel at comcast.net  Mon Jun 10 20:18:10 2019
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Mon, 10 Jun 2019 22:18:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Smoke -breather or new build 'burn off'
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1560219504.12064.triumphs@autox.team.net>

David- It is well known in automotive engineering world but even more so in air cooled aviation piston engines, that internal condensation occurs (more than one would anticipate) not only from 'engine cooldown' but just from atmospheric weather/climate changes.So in the Aviation world, it is drilled into aircraft owners that if one can not fly the airplane-AT NORMAL OPERATING TEMPERATURES (Oil Temperature as indicator) per Manufacturer Specifixations for 45-60 mins MINIMUM -Dont? start it as the Condensation factor is exacerbated: contaminating (rust potential)(especially tappets & camshafts) .Now in these air cooled cylinder finned engines the monitoring of cylinder head temperatures, exhaust gas temperatures (FOR each cylinder AND TURBO INLET TEMPERATURES VS OIL TEMPERATURE IS CRITICAL FOR LONG LIFE.IN OUR Cast iron Engined Triumphs,The moisture contamination of the Oil is usually seen on the bottom of the valve cover & on the cylinder head.-it will appear as a? milky layer -especially in colder temps but can occur in summer -even in climates where 95-100 ^ daily temps is normal (Oklahoma).It is important to frequently run the engines for an hour or more, preferably? several hours at operating temperatures to 'evaporate any moisture that has accumulated? in the oil'. When this evaporation happens on a well used engine or during a breaking in of a rebuilt engine, some oil vapors will also 'appear from the breather', especuallybif the rings are not sealing well in a used engine or not yet seated in a freshly rebuilt engine.Respectfully suggest you run the engine-keeping it at operating temps as stated above. Monitor the oil pressure contrasted to coolant temperature. Operating temp usually brings a lowering of the oil pressure indication as contrasted with initial? high cold start up oil pressure and early running oil pressure.?Let us know your observations.These older engines sometimes require straight weight oil to improve compression and reduce oil consumption whether burningbor evaporating vapors.? Even when my 65 Triumph TR4 was relatively young, 14,000 mi? in 1970 I used straight 50 Weight oil during the summers in Oklahoma to reduce viscosity thing in the extreme summer heat. I made alot of 100-200 mile highway? trips then at TR CAPABLE speeds and in fact reset my valve cleances per Triumph racing team recommendations for constant engine rpms between 4000 & 5000 rpms. Think it was .012 CD. .010.? This was? due to the higher cylinder head temps and related metal expansion.Point being that? Oil vapors and moisture? evaporation can be successfully? resolved? to 'safe status'.?Sherman D Taffel PhDTR4 with bored rebuilt engine? now 2170cc. 87mm head gaskets.(Last rebuild 1998).?Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Jun 11 17:23:06 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 16:23:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] what type of prop shaft to get
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFHEesFNdRZBLzx9gUrRdU2gASVvDnZQ_Dyx_c_1G3HxA@mail.gmail.com>

I took two prop shafts for a manual Stag to get balanced. The guy at the
shop said the splines are worn and it can?t be balanced. He said he can
make me a new custom one for 500$. The new one will use UJs The shop has
been around for years and they balanced my BW35 auto one many years back.

LDParts has a prop shaft for sale. It is fitted with universal joints.
Rimmer Bros. sells a prop shaft fitted with CV joints. With shipping to the
USA, I can get either shipped for less than $300.



While talking this guy, he said don?t get the one with the CV joints. CV
joints are not suited for prop shafts. I didn?t probe why but am curious if
there is any truth to what he said.



With the rate of exchange between the UKP and US$ being the way it is I?m
hedging to get one with CV shipped from Rimmers

Have others in the US got a prop shaft custom made? If so, what is a
typical cost?



Regards, Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Tue Jun 11 17:57:29 2019
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:57:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] what type of prop shaft to get
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFHEesFNdRZBLzx9gUrRdU2gASVvDnZQ_Dyx_c_1G3HxA@mail.gmail.com>
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Hey Sujit

 ??? My old prop shaft was out of balance also. Couldn't be fixed due to 
worn splines.? My shifter use to shake while driving. I put in the CV 
style prop shaft and couldn't be more pleased

Patrick

71 Stag

On 6/11/2019 6:23 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>
> I took two prop shafts for a manual Stag to get balanced. The guy at 
> the shop said the splines are worn and it can?t be balanced. He said 
> he can make me a new custom one for 500$. The new one will use UJs The 
> shop has been around for years and they balanced my BW35 auto one many 
> years back.
>
> LDParts has a prop shaft for sale. It is fitted with universal joints. 
> Rimmer Bros. sells a prop shaft fitted with CV joints. With shipping 
> to the USA, I can get either shipped for less than $300.
>
> While talking this guy, he said don?t get the one with the CV joints. 
> CV joints are not suited for prop shafts. I didn?t probe why but am 
> curious if there is any truth to what he said.
>
> With the rate of exchange between the UKP and US$ being the way it is 
> I?m hedging to get one with CV shipped from Rimmers
>
> Have others in the US got a prop shaft custom made? If so, what is a 
> typical cost?
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
> -- 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Tue Jun 11 18:21:44 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 18:21:44 -0600
Subject: [TR] what type of prop shaft to get
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFHEesFNdRZBLzx9gUrRdU2gASVvDnZQ_Dyx_c_1G3HxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFHEesFNdRZBLzx9gUrRdU2gASVvDnZQ_Dyx_c_1G3HxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <632b52ae-d608-edb3-744c-cbc7aa032790@dfn.com>

On 6/11/2019 5:23 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>
> While talking this guy, he said don?t get the one with the CV joints. 
> CV joints are not suited for prop shafts. I didn?t probe why but am 
> curious if there is any truth to what he said.
>
Hmm, that doesn't make much sense to me.? CV stands for constant 
velocity, so the angular momentum of the shaft stays relatively 
constant, instead of the sinusoidal loading of u-joints.? These joints 
have worked pretty well in axle shafts for now about fifty years.? 
Providing that there's nothing amiss in the design or manufacture or 
torque specs of the specific CV joints used in the newer propshaft, I 
don't see any problem with them.? If anything, they should smooth out 
the irregular loading on the pinion.? And, if the linear displacement of 
two CV joints is the same as the splined driveshaft, that eliminates the 
splines.

Nope, doesn't make sense to me.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


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From mark at bradakis.com  Tue Jun 11 21:33:52 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Tue, 11 Jun 2019 21:33:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR 250K
Message-ID: <10dc4819-ae86-66ca-267b-20e6698f4787@bradakis.com>

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLcAUqjZ1A&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0YFOF88TCKxqS8upZkKEAAHjGYfCfX6ng7FLj_u4oshs-ELu4BIviwpdw




From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun 12 05:49:38 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 11:49:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] what type of prop shaft to get
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaFHEesFNdRZBLzx9gUrRdU2gASVvDnZQ_Dyx_c_1G3HxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaFHEesFNdRZBLzx9gUrRdU2gASVvDnZQ_Dyx_c_1G3HxA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <939494999.132703.1560340178183@mail.yahoo.com>

 The TR7 and TR8 both run with CV prop shafts.? No issues.
The only down side to CV joints is that when they fail they leave you stranded.? When U-joints fail they make a bunch of noise and vibration but you can still go.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Jun 11, 2019 6:23 pm
Subject: [TR] what type of prop shaft to get

I took two prop shafts for a manual Stag to get balanced. Theguy at the shop said the splines are worn and it can?t be balanced. He said hecan make me a new custom one for 500$. The new one will use UJs The shop hasbeen around for years and they balanced my BW35 auto one many years back.LDParts has a prop shaft for sale. It is fitted with universaljoints. Rimmer Bros. sells a prop shaft fitted with CV joints. With shipping tothe USA, I can get either shipped for less than $300.?While talking this guy, he said don?t get the one with theCV joints. CV joints are not suited for prop shafts. I didn?t probe why but amcurious if there is any truth to what he said.?With the rate of exchange between the UKP and US$ being the wayit is I?m hedging to get one with CV shipped from RimmersHave others in the US got a prop shaft custom made? If so,what is a typical cost??Regards, Sujit
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Cupertino, California
https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 12 07:31:10 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:31:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] Part Request TR3A Tach
Message-ID: <00d801d52123$1a131d90$4e3958b0$@gmail.com>

Looking for a TR3A tachometer in good working condition.  
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
2002 Triumph Trophy



From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jun 12 08:08:09 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 09:08:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Part Request TR3A Tach
In-Reply-To: <00d801d52123$1a131d90$4e3958b0$@gmail.com>
References: <00d801d52123$1a131d90$4e3958b0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <A20BEC46-F249-411C-96F8-C2E084E0FACD@flash.net>

I would first go to eBay, then call Morris at West Valley Instruments. 

NFI,
Bill

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

Looking for a TR3A tachometer in good working condition.  
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
60 TR3A
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
2002 Triumph Trophy


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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Jun 12 11:42:10 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 13:42:10 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Part Request TR3A Tach
In-Reply-To: <A20BEC46-F249-411C-96F8-C2E084E0FACD@flash.net>
References: <00d801d52123$1a131d90$4e3958b0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <314133155.666616.1560361331115@connect.xfinity.com>

I've bought plenty of good used parts from Mike Bonaducci in Bradford, VT, including a set of new old stock AE pistons and liners.  He ships.  Phone:  802 439 5815.

No financial interest and all that....

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire

> On June 12, 2019 at 10:08 AM "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> I would first go to eBay, then call Morris at West Valley Instruments. 
> 
> NFI,
> Bill
> 
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
> 
> On Jun 12, 2019, at 8:31 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Looking for a TR3A tachometer in good working condition.  
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 60 TR3A
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 2002 Triumph Trophy
> 
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From lee at automate-it.com  Wed Jun 12 17:14:10 2019
From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:14:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 250K
In-Reply-To: <10dc4819-ae86-66ca-267b-20e6698f4787@bradakis.com>
References: <10dc4819-ae86-66ca-267b-20e6698f4787@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <0907aec785f0429a0929499d6e69773f.squirrel@automate-it.com>

Wow. What a great opportunity to hear these two giants of "our" history
discuss this project. Lots of info about the 250K that I never heard before.

I started this out on my computer screen, then bumped over to my smart TV so I
could sit back with a cold one and take it all in.

Thanks Mark!
 Lee

On Tue, June 11, 2019 22:33, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLcAUqjZ1A&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0YFOF
> 88TCKxqS8upZkKEAAHjGYfCfX6ng7FLj_u4oshs-ELu4BIviwpdw
>


From lee at automate-it.com  Wed Jun 12 17:17:35 2019
From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 18:17:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 250K
In-Reply-To: <10dc4819-ae86-66ca-267b-20e6698f4787@bradakis.com>
References: <10dc4819-ae86-66ca-267b-20e6698f4787@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <8e901dee6f4eaa82c2dc66ac0fe48a29.squirrel@automate-it.com>

P.S. your really long URL tends to wrap and get broken, here's the short version:

  https://youtu.be/UzLcAUqjZ1A


On Tue, June 11, 2019 22:33, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLcAUqjZ1A&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0YFOF
> 88TCKxqS8upZkKEAAHjGYfCfX6ng7FLj_u4oshs-ELu4BIviwpdw
>


From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jun 12 18:04:56 2019
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 20:04:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 250K
In-Reply-To: <10dc4819-ae86-66ca-267b-20e6698f4787@bradakis.com>
References: <10dc4819-ae86-66ca-267b-20e6698f4787@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <00a001d5217b$a2617e50$e7247af0$@charter.net>

What a fantastic film. It reminds me of the VTR convention in New Jersey two
years ago when I had the chance to sit in on a discussion forum between Mike
Cook and Ted Schumacher. That was another classic that most LBC people could
only hope to attend. Thanks for sharing.

Alex Thomson
Connecticut Triumph Register

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Bradakis
Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:34 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR 250K

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLcAUqjZ1A&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0YFO
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jun 12 19:28:33 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:28:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 250K
In-Reply-To: <00a001d5217b$a2617e50$e7247af0$@charter.net>
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yep, Ted can chat ... his video library from 'back in the day' is a 
blast to watch ...even more so when Dorothy just fed you, and Ted is 
personally narrating late into the night. The only down side was waking 
up to 6" of snow on the ground at his house.

Kas signed the inside of my bonnet at Road Atlanta 2012... was the same 
evening Mike did his write-up on FIS6. wow time flies, that was 7 years 
ago already!
Somewhere I've got a shot of me sitting in the 250 at Lime Rock. a VERY 
beautiful automobile

ptegler

On 6/12/2019 8:04 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> What a fantastic film. It reminds me of the VTR convention in New Jersey two
> years ago when I had the chance to sit in on a discussion forum between Mike
> Cook and Ted Schumacher. That was another classic that most LBC people could
> only hope to attend. Thanks for sharing.
>
> Alex Thomson
> Connecticut Triumph Register
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J
> Bradakis
> Sent: Tuesday, June 11, 2019 11:34 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR 250K
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UzLcAUqjZ1A&feature=youtu.be&fbclid=IwAR0YFO
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Wed Jun 12 19:45:44 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 21:45:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
Message-ID: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>

When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second
turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a
show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and
ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque
starter and had lots of "oomph". The rough running was like it was on two
cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including
some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the
battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the
"start" setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the
filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was
between the oil filter head and the adapter.

 

Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take
care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the
filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter
and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil.
I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The
fuel pump was one of TRF's "Made in Italy" pumps. The additional start
attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.

 

Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed
the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted
start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK,
but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried
both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the
Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1,
grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark
right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly - there
were only three cylinders getting spark.

 

I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck.
Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car
starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will
not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after
several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during
starter engagement.

 

I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from
the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.

 

All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery
connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at
the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.

 

I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most
welcome.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Jun 12 20:05:30 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:05:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <2138611162.667562.1560391531009@connect.xfinity.com>

Hi, Keith.  My first guess is a sticking needle in the float valve which could be caused by slight corrosion.  JonMac suggests a light sanding of the fins.  Whhile you're in there might as well double check the setting for the float lever despite it not likely to have changed.  You can use a 5/16ths wood dowel.


Terry

> On June 12, 2019 at 9:45 PM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of ?oomph?. The rough running was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the ?start? setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil filter head and the adapter.
> 
>      
> 
>     Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF?s ?Made in Italy? pumps. The additional start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.
> 
>      
> 
>     Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly ? there were only three cylinders getting spark.
> 
>      
> 
>     I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during starter engagement.
> 
>      
> 
>     I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.
> 
>      
> 
>     All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.
> 
>      
> 
>     I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most welcome.
> 
>      
> 
>      
> 
>     Keith Stewart
> 
>     keithstewart at bell.net
> 
>      
> 


 

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From smithw1 at optonline.net  Wed Jun 12 20:25:35 2019
From: smithw1 at optonline.net (William Smith)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 22:25:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Propshaft
Message-ID: <D0.5B.17549.F14B10D5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>

While my experience relates to a TR7, it may apply to a Stag also. The stock TR7 with 5-speed used a propshaft with CV joints. These CV joints have donut shaped diaphragm rubber seals that can tear/degenerate. That happened to my TR7 with only about 25k miles on it. All the grease was expelled from the front CV joint, making a mess and it started making tin can rattling sounds upon heavy acceleration.?Since Rimmer shows a "new" propshaft in their catalog and on their website, I decided to order one. When I received it, it was in worse condition than the one I was replacing.? When I contacted them about it, they told me it was NOS/"new" old stock" and that if they sent me another one, it would probably be in just as bad condition. To their credit, they refunded my money after returning it to their U.S. representative. BTW, I don't know if it is true, but someone had mentioned that Rimmer had bought a large batch of NOS parts from some company in India which had been sitting in the sun in non-climate containers for many years. In the end, I purchased a brand new propshaft that uses universal joints. So far I've been very happy with it - no leaking grease and no more rattles.FWIW, I still deal with Rimmer and have been generally happy with their products and service. I chalk this propshaft experience with them as an aberration.?Bill Smith?'72 TR6?'80 TR7?
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jun 13 00:27:27 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 12 Jun 2019 23:27:27 -0700
Subject: [TR] Propshaft
In-Reply-To: <D0.5B.17549.F14B10D5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
References: <D0.5B.17549.F14B10D5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHAJycwG=2g1nyAMqrn0PqB2nya7Dfzt245u7SKNxVMbg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Bill. The cv jointed one sounds good but as u mention once the boot
splits and grit gets in ur left to get another shaft. I'm hoping my one of
my kids takes the stag and works on it so I may opt for the uj type so a
replacement uj will be much cheaper.

 I recall Rimmer Bros bought Rover 3500 sdi parts out of India. The car was
called Standard 2000 out there. They where partial knock down kits I think.
But used a Japanese engine and under powered

On Wed, Jun 12, 2019, 7:25 PM William Smith <smithw1 at optonline.net> wrote:

> While my experience relates to a TR7, it may apply to a Stag also. The
> stock TR7 with 5-speed used a propshaft with CV joints. These CV joints
> have donut shaped diaphragm rubber seals that can tear/degenerate. That
> happened to my TR7 with only about 25k miles on it. All the grease was
> expelled from the front CV joint, making a mess and it started making tin
> can rattling sounds upon heavy acceleration.
> Since Rimmer shows a "new" propshaft in their catalog and on their
> website, I decided to order one. When I received it, it was in worse
> condition than the one I was replacing.  When I contacted them about it,
> they told me it was NOS/"new" old stock" and that if they sent me another
> one, it would probably be in just as bad condition. To their credit, they
> refunded my money after returning it to their U.S. representative. BTW, I
> don't know if it is true, but someone had mentioned that Rimmer had bought
> a large batch of NOS parts from some company in India which had been
> sitting in the sun in non-climate containers for many years. In the end, I
> purchased a brand new propshaft that uses universal joints. So far I've
> been very happy with it - no leaking grease and no more rattles.
> FWIW, I still deal with Rimmer and have been generally happy with their
> products and service. I chalk this propshaft experience with them as an
> aberration.
> Bill Smith
> '72 TR6
> '80 TR7
>
> Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jun 13 06:57:45 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 08:57:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>

Hey, Keith:

 

I think we are still in "information gathering mode" J

 

You say "there were only 3 cylinders getting spark", but then "I also had
spark on #2, #3, and #4", so it sounds like you do have a spark at all 4
plugs?  One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:  are they
wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?

 

Have you done a compression test?

 

My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but maybe
someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have a spark,
albeit insufficient to get the car to run.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith
Richard Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second
turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a
show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and
ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque
starter and had lots of "oomph". The rough running was like it was on two
cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including
some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the
battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the
"start" setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the
filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was
between the oil filter head and the adapter.

 

Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take
care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the
filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter
and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil.
I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The
fuel pump was one of TRF's "Made in Italy" pumps. The additional start
attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.

 

Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed
the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted
start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK,
but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried
both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the
Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1,
grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark
right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly - there
were only three cylinders getting spark.

 

I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck.
Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car
starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will
not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after
several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during
starter engagement.

 

I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from
the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.

 

All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery
connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at
the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.

 

I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most
welcome.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 13 07:07:28 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:07:28 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
 <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <016c01d521e8$f3fc1190$dbf434b0$@bell.net>

I checked for spark on all four plugs, one at a time. Each plug showed
spark. While the plug was out and being tested, the engine started each time
a plug was tested. The plugs were damp and smelled of gas. Have not checked
compression yet, but will do so.

 

Keith

 

From: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> 
Sent: June 13, 2019 8:58 AM
To: 'Keith Richard Stewart' <keithstewart at bell.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

Hey, Keith:

 

I think we are still in "information gathering mode" :)

 

You say "there were only 3 cylinders getting spark", but then "I also had
spark on #2, #3, and #4", so it sounds like you do have a spark at all 4
plugs?  One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:  are they
wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?

 

Have you done a compression test?

 

My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but maybe
someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have a spark,
albeit insufficient to get the car to run.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith
Richard Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second
turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a
show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and
ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque
starter and had lots of "oomph". The rough running was like it was on two
cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including
some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the
battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the
"start" setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for
a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the
filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was
between the oil filter head and the adapter.

 

Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take
care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the
filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter
and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil.
I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The
fuel pump was one of TRF's "Made in Italy" pumps. The additional start
attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.

 

Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed
the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted
start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK,
but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried
both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the
Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1,
grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark
right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly - there
were only three cylinders getting spark.

 

I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck.
Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car
starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will
not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after
several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during
starter engagement.

 

I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from
the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.

 

All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery
connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at
the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.

 

I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most
welcome.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

 

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 13 07:09:46 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:09:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <2138611162.667562.1560391531009@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
 <2138611162.667562.1560391531009@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <018e01d521e9$468bc7c0$d3a35740$@bell.net>

Thanks Terry. Will check.

 

Keith

 

From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> 
Sent: June 12, 2019 10:06 PM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

Hi, Keith.  My first guess is a sticking needle in the float valve which could be caused by slight corrosion.  JonMac suggests a light sanding of the fins.  Whhile you're in there might as well double check the setting for the float lever despite it not likely to have changed.  You can use a 5/16ths wood dowel.

 

Terry

On June 12, 2019 at 9:45 PM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> > wrote: 

When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of ?oomph?. The rough running was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the ?start? setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil filter head and the adapter.

 

Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF?s ?Made in Italy? pumps. The additional start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.

 

Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly ? there were only three cylinders getting spark.

 

I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during starter engagement.

 

I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.

 

All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.

 

I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most welcome.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

 


 

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Thu Jun 13 07:11:44 2019
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:11:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
 <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <0774532CAABE4940A01B7D089E1D8C64@VlackTK121647>

What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work well with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires.

From: Andrew Uprichard 
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM
To: 'Keith Richard Stewart' ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

Hey, Keith:

 

I think we are still in ?information gathering mode? J

 

You say ?there were only 3 cylinders getting spark?, but then ?I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4?, so it sounds like you do have a spark at all 4 plugs?  One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:  are they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?

 

Have you done a compression test?

 

My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but maybe someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to run.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Keith Richard Stewart
Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of ?oomph?. The rough running was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the ?start? setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment for a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil filter head and the adapter.

 

Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF?s ?Made in Italy? pumps. The additional start attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.

 

Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly ? there were only three cylinders getting spark.

 

I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during starter engagement.

 

I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.

 

All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v. Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.

 

I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are most welcome.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 



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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 13 07:19:04 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:19:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <0774532CAABE4940A01B7D089E1D8C64@VlackTK121647>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
 <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
 <0774532CAABE4940A01B7D089E1D8C64@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <019f01d521ea$92d4a150$b87de3f0$@bell.net>

I will have to check the wire. They have been on the car, with the Pertronix, for three or four years without problem. The most confusing point to me is that the car will actually start with only three plugs but only if one plug is removed. If only the wire is removed from the plug, it still will not start.

 

BTW, I put in new NGK plugs, but got the same results.

 

Keith

 

From: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> 
Sent: June 13, 2019 9:12 AM
To: Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>; 'Keith Richard Stewart' <keithstewart at bell.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work well with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires. 

 

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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Thu Jun 13 10:08:49 2019
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 09:08:49 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
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Message-ID: <004101d52202$4a353e60$de9fbb20$@net>

When my car started running very poorly, I assumed that if it was the
Pertronix, it wouldn't run at all. Poor assumption. The magnets in the
collar went all askew, so it was sparking but at all the wrong times. I
don't know if that's the situation here, but I think the next thing I would
do is replace the Pertronix with points. Even if that doesn't solve the
problem, at least you can static time it and get a baseline. Next I would
look for a vacuum leak.

  

Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Andrew
Uprichard
Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 5:58 AM
To: 'Keith Richard Stewart'; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

Hey, Keith:

 

I think we are still in "information gathering mode" J

 

You say "there were only 3 cylinders getting spark", but then "I also had
spark on #2, #3, and #4", so it sounds like you do have a spark at all 4
plugs?  One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs:  are they
wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?

 

Have you done a compression test?

 

My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but maybe
someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have a spark,
albeit insufficient to get the car to run.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jun 13 10:42:07 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:42:07 -0400
Subject: [TR] Craigslist posting from Indiana
Message-ID: <000901d52206$f147a450$d3d6ecf0$@uprichard.net>

If only it was a TR3.......

 

https://southbend.craigslist.org/bar/d/winamac-classic-car-for-tree-removal/
6903660816.html

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 13 10:53:35 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:53:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <1557309064.725913.1560443714653@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
 <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
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Thanks Terry. Will check. As I said before, it is very strange that the car starts so readily when one plug is removed.

 

Keith

 

From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> 
Sent: June 13, 2019 12:35 PM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

You've tested spark and are getting it, so doubt it's the Pertonix.  You smell gas so you're likely getting flooding.  One way to test is to take off the air cleaners, crank the engine and watch the jet needles for any gas pooling at the base of the needle.  If so, your needle is stuck open, letting gas pour in and flooding the engine.  A vacuum leak, on the other hand, would prevent the carbs from sucking gas into the engine, causing it to run too lean.  Same sympton, but you wouldn't smell gas.

 

Just my two cents, and good luck!

 

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 13 10:58:57 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 10:58:57 -0600
Subject: [TR] Propshaft
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHAJycwG=2g1nyAMqrn0PqB2nya7Dfzt245u7SKNxVMbg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <D0.5B.17549.F14B10D5@mta3.srv.hcvlny.cv.net>
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Message-ID: <1E4FA091-3F7D-4F12-94B6-8333C4C5B903@ca.rr.com>

I'm just curious, why can't the boots be replaced on a RWD shaft ?
Replacing them on FWD is a fairly standard maintenance item, as long as you discover the problem before grit gets into the joint and ruins it.
-- Randall
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From wbeech at flash.net  Thu Jun 13 11:30:37 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 12:30:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Craigslist posting from Indiana
In-Reply-To: <000901d52206$f147a450$d3d6ecf0$@uprichard.net>
References: <000901d52206$f147a450$d3d6ecf0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <ABACA33A-358F-4878-A2A1-AED690ED77D3@flash.net>

Well, I?ll just drive my bulldozer right over there!

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 13, 2019, at 11:42 AM, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

If only it was a TR3?????..
 
https://southbend.craigslist.org/bar/d/winamac-classic-car-for-tree-removal/6903660816.html
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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Thu Jun 13 13:11:10 2019
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:11:10 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
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I would definitely try swapping in points/condenser. They are much more tolerable to low voltage conditions. I'd also check all your grounds. I run heavy gauge gound cables between the battery, body, chassis and engine. That the best way to reduce voltage drop to the ignition during starting.

Joel Justin...

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 13 13:31:20 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 15:31:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR Wont' Start
In-Reply-To: <CAMHq6Zx7VyEgnTQX+VdNJthbABjyxcKz6Va9P7a9jnUc97FnaA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMHq6Zx7VyEgnTQX+VdNJthbABjyxcKz6Va9P7a9jnUc97FnaA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <027201d5221e$943e6ce0$bcbb46a0$@bell.net>

No start began after the car had been brought home from winter storage. It ran fine on the trip from storage to home. Only one plug wire was ever removed at a time. Wires are in the correct firing order. Thanks.

 

Keith

 

From: Benjamin Zwissler <bjzwissler at gmail.com> 
Sent: June 13, 2019 2:40 PM
To: keithstewart at bell.net
Subject: TR Wont' Start

 

Have you checked the firing order?  Meaning are the wires connected to the right plugs?  That might be an explanation why it won't start with all the wires connected but will w/o.  Maybe you swapped two while you were troubleshooting.

 

Ben...


 

-- 

Ben Zwissler

bjzwissler at gmail.com <mailto:bjzwissler at gmail.com> 

Columbus, IN

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 13 14:53:24 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:53:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] Craigslist posting from Indiana
In-Reply-To: <000901d52206$f147a450$d3d6ecf0$@uprichard.net>
References: <000901d52206$f147a450$d3d6ecf0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <C0C4F5A8-EECE-4566-8937-D751BC3D9F25@ca.rr.com>

Either way, I would want to know a LOT more about the car. A rusty hulk 1800 isn't worth any more than a rusty hulk TR3, maybe less.
-- Randall

On 13 June 2019 10:42:07 GMT-06:00, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>If only it was a TR3.......
>
> 
>
>https://southbend.craigslist.org/bar/d/winamac-classic-car-for-tree-removal/
>6903660816.html
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 13 14:48:48 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:48:48 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <0774532CAABE4940A01B7D089E1D8C64@VlackTK121647>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
 <003901d521e7$99593520$cc0b9f60$@uprichard.net>
 <0774532CAABE4940A01B7D089E1D8C64@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <F33B8452-9800-4D77-B73E-F9E9E5FEE49E@ca.rr.com>

While at the same time, the stock TR4 distributor cap does not work well with "carbon core" wires.
-- Randall

On 13 June 2019 07:11:44 GMT-06:00, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
>What type plug wires are you using? Some Pertronic units will not work
>well with solid copper wires and only work using resistor type wires.
>
>From: Andrew Uprichard 
>Sent: Thursday, June 13, 2019 8:57 AM
>To: 'Keith Richard Stewart' ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
>Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
>
>Hey, Keith:
>
> 
>
>I think we are still in ?information gathering mode? J
>
> 
>
>You say ?there were only 3 cylinders getting spark?, but then ?I also
>had spark on #2, #3, and #4?, so it sounds like you do have a spark at
>all 4 plugs?  One thing you do not mention is the state of the plugs: 
>are they wet and fouled, suggesting flooding?
>
> 
>
>Have you done a compression test?
>
> 
>
>My experience with Pertronix is when they fail there is no spark, but
>maybe someone else will chime in on whether a failure could still have
>a spark, albeit insufficient to get the car to run.
>
> 
>
>Andrew Uprichard
>
>Jackson, Michigan
>
> 
>
>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>Keith Richard Stewart
>Sent: Wednesday, June 12, 2019 9:46 PM
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
>
> 
>
>When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the
>second turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up
>the car for a show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard
>starting, did catch and ran rough for a few seconds before stalling.
>The starter is a hi-torque starter and had lots of ?oomph?. The rough
>running was like it was on two cylinders or less. After several more
>attempts to get it started, including some starting fluid spray, I put
>the battery charger on to make sure the battery was charged fully. I
>attempted a start with the charger on the ?start? setting with no luck.
>While looking over the engine compartment for a loose wire or bad
>connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around the filter adapter.
>The location was such that it appeared the seeping was between the oil
>filter head and the adapter.
>
> 
>
>Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would
>take care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter
>and the filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a
>new filter and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel
>odor from the oil. I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I
>will check that later. The fuel pump was one of TRF?s ?Made in Italy?
>pumps. The additional start attempts since then have not produced any
>oil seeping out.
>
> 
>
>Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I
>removed the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an
>attempted start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor,
>it looked OK, but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red
>rotor, so I tried both with no luck. To make sure the battery was
>getting at least 10v to the Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I
>had. No luck. I removed plug #1, grounded it on the thermostat housing
>bolt and tried a start. I had a spark right away and almost immediately
>the car started up. Ran roughly ? there were only three cylinders
>getting spark.
>
> 
>
>I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No
>luck. Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2
>removed, car starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is
>back in, the car will not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not
>charged it again after several start attempts over the past few days)
>and drops to 11v during starter engagement.
>
> 
>
>I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections
>from the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and
>secure.
>
> 
>
>All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery
>connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v.
>Connections at the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and
>secure.
>
> 
>
>I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are
>most welcome.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Keith Stewart
>
>keithstewart at bell.net
>
> 
>
>
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Jun 13 14:46:35 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 14:46:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
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Its weird, it sounds ignition related, and you have a Pertronix.
That would certainly be enough for me!
On top of that, you've already replaced the coil and rotor.

Assuming you kept the old parts, it only takes a couple of minutes to swap out the Pertronix. I'll bet it at least changes the symptoms to something that makes more sense!

Also, check the resistance of each plug wire and the coil high tension lead, from the terminal inside the distributor cap to the end of the wire. 

Take the point plate ground lead loose from the distributor body, and check its resistance to the point plate, while moving and tugging gently on the wire. It rarely fails, but they can go intermittent without being visibly bad. And yes, the Pertronix module relies on a good ground through the point plate and that wire.
-- Randall

On 12 June 2019 19:45:44 GMT-06:00, Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
>When I took the TR4 (1962) out of winter storage, it started on the
>second
>turn of the key. I drove home fine, no problems. I cleaned up the car
>for a
>show last weekend. When I went to start, it was hard starting, did
>catch and
>ran rough for a few seconds before stalling. The starter is a hi-torque
>starter and had lots of "oomph". The rough running was like it was on
>two
>cylinders or less. After several more attempts to get it started,
>including
>some starting fluid spray, I put the battery charger on to make sure
>the
>battery was charged fully. I attempted a start with the charger on the
>"start" setting with no luck. While looking over the engine compartment
>for
>a loose wire or bad connection, I noticed substantial oil leak around
>the
>filter adapter. The location was such that it appeared the seeping was
>between the oil filter head and the adapter.
>
> 
>
>Although not associated with the non-start issue, I figured I would
>take
>care of the oil leak, thinking it was the seal between the adapter and
>the
>filter head. I drained the oil, removed the filter, installed a new
>filter
>and filled with oil. It did seem there was a bit of fuel odor from the
>oil.
>I did install a new fuel pump two years ago so I will check that later.
>The
>fuel pump was one of TRF's "Made in Italy" pumps. The additional start
>attempts since then have not produced any oil seeping out.
>
> 
>
>Back to the start problem.  The carbs are SU HS6, as on the TR4A. I
>removed
>the fuel line at the float bowl and gas pumped out during an attempted
>start. The ignition is a Pertronix. When I removed the rotor, it looked
>OK,
>but I had a spare in a tune up kit and a separate, red rotor, so I
>tried
>both with no luck. To make sure the battery was getting at least 10v to
>the
>Pertronix, I put in a new battery that I had. No luck. I removed plug
>#1,
>grounded it on the thermostat housing bolt and tried a start. I had a
>spark
>right away and almost immediately the car started up. Ran roughly -
>there
>were only three cylinders getting spark.
>
> 
>
>I shut off the engine, replaced the spark plug, and tried to start. No
>luck.
>Very baffling. I also had spark on #2, #3, and #4. With #2 removed, car
>starts, Ditto with #3 and #4 removed. Once the plug is back in, the car
>will
>not start. Voltage at rest is 12.75v (have not charged it again after
>several start attempts over the past few days) and drops to 11v during
>starter engagement.
>
> 
>
>I had a new coil on hand so I tried it as well. No luck. Connections
>from
>the coil to ignition switch and coil to Pertronix are clean and secure.
>
> 
>
>All plug leads and the distributor lead are clean and secure. Battery
>connections are clean and secure. Battery putting out 12-14v.
>Connections at
>the starter solenoid and the starter are clean and secure.
>
> 
>
>I think that is everything I have tried to date. Any suggestions are
>most
>welcome.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>Keith Stewart
>
>keithstewart at bell.net
>
> 
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Thu Jun 13 17:51:06 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 19:51:06 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <39F03D08-1350-464D-BAD7-1A147C7DB4BC@ca.rr.com>
References: <013d01d52189$b777b710$26672530$@bell.net>
 <39F03D08-1350-464D-BAD7-1A147C7DB4BC@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <02d001d52242$de664d50$9b32e7f0$@bell.net>

Thanks Randall. Will try some of those tomorrow.

 

Keith

 

From: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> 
Sent: June 13, 2019 4:47 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Won't Start

 

Its weird, it sounds ignition related, and you have a Pertronix.
That would certainly be enough for me!
On top of that, you've already replaced the coil and rotor.

Assuming you kept the old parts, it only takes a couple of minutes to swap out the Pertronix. I'll bet it at least changes the symptoms to something that makes more sense!

Also, check the resistance of each plug wire and the coil high tension lead, from the terminal inside the distributor cap to the end of the wire. 

Take the point plate ground lead loose from the distributor body, and check its resistance to the point plate, while moving and tugging gently on the wire. It rarely fails, but they can go intermittent without being visibly bad. And yes, the Pertronix module relies on a good ground through the point plate and that wire.
-- Randall

 

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Thu Jun 13 19:17:32 2019
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 21:17:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
Message-ID: <c854dd9696c52de6a06cc8a6e4c7a85b@mail.gmail.com>

 Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance

Hello:

I?m looking to replace the coil and spark plugs wires on my TR3A. The car
has been converted to negative ground and has a Crane XR-700 electronic
ignition. I?m a bit unsure about what I need.

1) Coil

Using instructions that Randall posted several years ago, I measured 3.8 o
hms and 10.8 volts from my existing coil. That makes me think that I need a
12v non-ballasted coil. Is that correct?

The connector for the high tension lead (to the distribution) is a push on;
the two small terminals on the coil are threaded so that the wires are
attached with nuts (not Lucar-type connectors).

I would welcome any recommendations as to coils. I was thinking of a
replacement like Moss #143-220 (
*https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-lucas*
<https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-lucas>) or Moss #
143-221 (
*https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-aftermarket*
<https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-aftermarket>).

2) Spark plug wires

I thought this would be simple, but it seems not. I was planning to buy Moss
571-005 (
*https://mossmotors.com/ignition-wire-set-push-in-style-cobalt-brand*
<https://mossmotors.com/ignition-wire-set-push-in-style-cobalt-brand>) but
was told that they weren?t appropriate because of my Crane unit. I didn?t
understand why.

What sort of wires would I need for my TR3A? I don?t run a radio in the car
so that I don?t imagine interference would be an issue.  I had thought I
could just buy any old spark plug wires, but find I must make a number of
choices: resistor or non-resistor wire, solid core or braided, type of cap,
screw-in, etc.

What does one need to know to select spark plug wires for a TR3A? Any
recommendations?

Thanks in advance,

Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

Near Toronto, Canada
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From actionsl at att.net  Thu Jun 13 21:30:25 2019
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Thu, 13 Jun 2019 20:30:25 -0700
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?TR_4_won=E2=80=99t_start?=
Message-ID: <7615090E-3290-4EC4-96B6-E907DD491C7A@att.net>

Pertronics tech says to use jumper wire from battery positive to coil positive to make sure you are getting full 12 volts. Use jumper only as test and then remove. Did the car run with the starting fluid?

Carl

From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jun 14 04:31:31 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 04:31:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
In-Reply-To: <c854dd9696c52de6a06cc8a6e4c7a85b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c854dd9696c52de6a06cc8a6e4c7a85b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <AFD00511-534E-4923-B982-BC515EE12695@ca.rr.com>

I used a 3 ohm Pertronix coil, and so far it has worked flawlessly. After a new Lucas coil died in less than a year, I won't use Lucas again.

Another alternative is to check with your FLAPS. I walked into a NAPA store in a small town last year, and they had a 3 ohm coil on the shelf. It has worked fine so far as well (on a Ferguson tractor with the Standard engine). Price was over twice that of a Pertronix from Amazon, but I got to try it that afternoon.

For wires, I went with classic copper core wire, combined with plug connectors that have suppression resistors built in. The plug boots I used are normally sold for motorcycles, I found some 135 degree ones from NGK that fit nicely. On Amazon IIRC, but likely available at my friendly local motorcycle parts store :)

The other option I see is to convert completely to push-on connectors for the high tension leads and carbon core wires. There is a distributor cap available with modern (well, more modern anyway) push-on terminals that fits exactly in place of the original cap with the piercing screws. Used on MGB I believe, probably lots of other British cars as well.
-- Randall

On 13 June 2019 19:17:32 GMT-06:00, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
>
>Hello:
>
>I?m looking to replace the coil and spark plugs wires on my TR3A. The
>car
>has been converted to negative ground and has a Crane XR-700 electronic
>ignition. I?m a bit unsure about what I need.
>
>1) Coil
>
>Using instructions that Randall posted several years ago, I measured
>3.8 o
>hms and 10.8 volts from my existing coil. That makes me think that I
>need a
>12v non-ballasted coil. Is that correct?
>
>The connector for the high tension lead (to the distribution) is a push
>on;
>the two small terminals on the coil are threaded so that the wires are
>attached with nuts (not Lucar-type connectors).
>
>I would welcome any recommendations as to coils. I was thinking of a
>replacement like Moss #143-220 (
>*https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-lucas*
><https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-lucas>) or Moss
>#
>143-221 (
>*https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-aftermarket*
><https://mossmotors.com/coil-ignition-push-on-coil-wire-aftermarket>).
>
>2) Spark plug wires
>
>I thought this would be simple, but it seems not. I was planning to buy
>Moss
>571-005 (
>*https://mossmotors.com/ignition-wire-set-push-in-style-cobalt-brand*
><https://mossmotors.com/ignition-wire-set-push-in-style-cobalt-brand>)
>but
>was told that they weren?t appropriate because of my Crane unit. I
>didn?t
>understand why.
>
>What sort of wires would I need for my TR3A? I don?t run a radio in the
>car
>so that I don?t imagine interference would be an issue.  I had thought
>I
>could just buy any old spark plug wires, but find I must make a number
>of
>choices: resistor or non-resistor wire, solid core or braided, type of
>cap,
>screw-in, etc.
>
>What does one need to know to select spark plug wires for a TR3A? Any
>recommendations?
>
>Thanks in advance,
>
>Dave MacKay
>
>1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
>
>Near Toronto, Canada
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From bjzwissler at gmail.com  Fri Jun 14 05:37:34 2019
From: bjzwissler at gmail.com (Benjamin Zwissler)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 07:37:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR Wont' Start
In-Reply-To: <027201d5221e$943e6ce0$bcbb46a0$@bell.net>
References: <CAMHq6Zx7VyEgnTQX+VdNJthbABjyxcKz6Va9P7a9jnUc97FnaA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CAMHq6ZwR0y8stcKco+20DN4HPqmXR6QYKv=LtwEa=a3PVk93kA@mail.gmail.com>

Keith,

I also have a TR4A with HS6s.   An issue I have regularly, but only when I
store it for a couple weeks or more in warm to hot temps, is that some kind
of blockage gets created in the jets.  It causes similar symptoms as yours,
but maybe not as pronounced.  It will normally idle OK, but has no power
when I try to drive it.

What I've learned to do is pull the carb's top covers (bell shaped housing)
and piston/needle assembly out and then spray some carb cleaner, WD40, or
any kind of thin HC based spray into the top of the jet using one of the
"straws" attached to the can.  Doesn't seem to be sensitive to how much.
This immediately fixes it and I've gotten to where I can do it in less than
10 minutes.

Sorry, I'm on the digest so this may be a bit behind.  Hopefully the
problem is already solved.

Ben...

Ben...

On Thu, Jun 13, 2019 at 3:31 PM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
wrote:

> No start began after the car had been brought home from winter storage. It
> ran fine on the trip from storage to home. Only one plug wire was ever
> removed at a time. Wires are in the correct firing order. Thanks.
>
>
>
> Keith
>
>
>
> *From:* Benjamin Zwissler <bjzwissler at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* June 13, 2019 2:40 PM
> *To:* keithstewart at bell.net
> *Subject:* TR Wont' Start
>
>
>
> Have you checked the firing order?  Meaning are the wires connected to the
> right plugs?  That might be an explanation why it won't start with all the
> wires connected but will w/o.  Maybe you swapped two while you were
> troubleshooting.
>
>
>
> Ben...
>
>
>
> --
>
> Ben Zwissler
>
> bjzwissler at gmail.com
>
> Columbus, IN
>


-- 
Ben Zwissler
bjzwissler at gmail.com
Columbus, IN
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Jun 14 06:46:19 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 08:46:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR Wont' Start
In-Reply-To: <CAMHq6ZwR0y8stcKco+20DN4HPqmXR6QYKv=LtwEa=a3PVk93kA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAMHq6Zx7VyEgnTQX+VdNJthbABjyxcKz6Va9P7a9jnUc97FnaA@mail.gmail.com>
 <027201d5221e$943e6ce0$bcbb46a0$@bell.net>
 <CAMHq6ZwR0y8stcKco+20DN4HPqmXR6QYKv=LtwEa=a3PVk93kA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <006601d522af$29e2ac80$7da80580$@bell.net>

Thanks Ben. Hopefully, I can get to the car today to check this and some other suggestions.

 

Keith

 

From: Benjamin Zwissler <bjzwissler at gmail.com> 
Sent: June 14, 2019 7:38 AM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: TR Wont' Start

 

Keith,

 

I also have a TR4A with HS6s.   An issue I have regularly, but only when I store it for a couple weeks or more in warm to hot temps, is that some kind of blockage gets created in the jets.  It causes similar symptoms as yours, but maybe not as pronounced.  It will normally idle OK, but has no power when I try to drive it.  

 

What I've learned to do is pull the carb's top covers (bell shaped housing) and piston/needle assembly out and then spray some carb cleaner, WD40, or any kind of thin HC based spray into the top of the jet using one of the "straws" attached to the can.  Doesn't seem to be sensitive to how much. This immediately fixes it and I've gotten to where I can do it in less than 10 minutes.   

 

Sorry, I'm on the digest so this may be a bit behind.  Hopefully the problem is already solved.

 

Ben...

 

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From davidt at opentext.com  Fri Jun 14 09:49:08 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 15:49:08 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
In-Reply-To: <c854dd9696c52de6a06cc8a6e4c7a85b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <c854dd9696c52de6a06cc8a6e4c7a85b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <YTXPR0101MB21896128C8C433220E9D80C2B6EE0@YTXPR0101MB2189.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

Dave

While this may seem blasphemy ? I put in pertronix flame-thrower 40Kv coil in the ?3a.  I had a lucas sport coil and a spark indicator showed spark then the new coil was insanely brighter.

I do wonder if the lucas one from the major vendors is just plain crap ? personal opinion.

David
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Fri Jun 14 10:34:30 2019
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 16:34:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] - original Lucas Sports coil;
 was Puzzled by simple things...
References: <254037191.1161780.1560530070601.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <254037191.1161780.1560530070601@mail.yahoo.com>

 I've never been the least inclined to purchase a current Lucas "Sports" coil, but that's primarily because it looks nothing like a "real" Lucas Sports coil. You know, that red end with the screw-in HT lead, etc. Fortunately, I have a couple of those, one of which did its job very well in my old ex-SCCA GP cum autocross Spitfire 4 in the 1980s and 1990s!

Anyone know what those original Sports coils put out?
--AndyAndrew Macezoboherald at aol.com
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Jun 14 16:14:34 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:14:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
Message-ID: <015901d522fe$8c8dd2c0$a5a97840$@bell.net>

Problem solved. Thanks to everyone that contributed - and there were many of
you. After the air cleaners were removed and I attempted to lift the
pistons, neither one would budge! I removed the suction chambers and
separated the piston/needle from the suction chamber. I used WD40 to wipe
the sliding surfaces between the piston/needle and the suction chamber. It
did not seem pitted but the surface definitely had rust impeding the
movement. After a slight rub down and reassembly, it started right up, first
turn of the key. Now, the "inquiring minds want to know" part, why would it
start when one plug was removed?

 

Again, you guys are the best. Thanks for your help.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

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From mdporter at dfn.com  Fri Jun 14 16:22:14 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 16:22:14 -0600
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <015901d522fe$8c8dd2c0$a5a97840$@bell.net>
References: <015901d522fe$8c8dd2c0$a5a97840$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <7314d7cd-50b8-0f25-2d8e-d5597643cdc7@dfn.com>

On 6/14/2019 4:14 PM, Keith Richard Stewart wrote:
>
> Now, the ?inquiring minds want to know? part, why would it start when 
> one plug was removed?
>
Just a WAG, but, with one cylinder open to the atmosphere, just enough 
air was getting to the other cylinders via the nearby runner and the 
balance tube to light off the residual fuel in those cylinders.? 
Wouldn't run great, but would run.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Jun 14 16:26:46 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:26:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <7314d7cd-50b8-0f25-2d8e-d5597643cdc7@dfn.com>
References: <015901d522fe$8c8dd2c0$a5a97840$@bell.net>
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Message-ID: <018b01d52300$40cc4a40$c264dec0$@bell.net>

Thanks Michael. Makes as much sense as anything I can think of.

 

Keith

 

From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> 
Sent: June 14, 2019 6:22 PM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>; 'Triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start

 

On 6/14/2019 4:14 PM, Keith Richard Stewart wrote:

Now, the "inquiring minds want to know" part, why would it start when one
plug was removed?

 

Just a WAG, but, with one cylinder open to the atmosphere, just enough air
was getting to the other cylinders via the nearby runner and the balance
tube to light off the residual fuel in those cylinders.  Wouldn't run great,
but would run.

 

Cheers.

-- 
 
 
Michael Porter
Roswell, NM
 
 
Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking
distance....
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Fri Jun 14 16:31:21 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:31:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <015901d522fe$8c8dd2c0$a5a97840$@bell.net>
References: <015901d522fe$8c8dd2c0$a5a97840$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <1189027747.444199.1560551481948@connect.xfinity.com>

just a suggestion.  Might want to take a very light grit sandpaper to the chamber and piston assembly to wipe off any grinding areas so as to ensure the lubrication isn't just temporary.


Terry

> On June 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Problem solved. Thanks to everyone that contributed ? and there were many of you. After the air cleaners were removed and I attempted to lift the pistons, neither one would budge! I removed the suction chambers and separated the piston/needle from the suction chamber. I used WD40 to wipe the sliding surfaces between the piston/needle and the suction chamber. It did not seem pitted but the surface definitely had rust impeding the movement. After a slight rub down and reassembly, it started right up, first turn of the key. Now, the ?inquiring minds want to know? part, why would it start when one plug was removed?
> 
>      
> 
>     Again, you guys are the best. Thanks for your help.
> 
>      
> 
>     Keith Stewart
> 
>     keithstewart at bell.net
> 
>      
> 


 

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Jun 14 16:34:29 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:34:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
In-Reply-To: <1189027747.444199.1560551481948@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <015901d522fe$8c8dd2c0$a5a97840$@bell.net>
 <1189027747.444199.1560551481948@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <019a01d52301$54e15290$fea3f7b0$@bell.net>

Thanks for the suggestion. I thought about that as I cleaned it up but was leery of making it worse.

 

Keith

 

From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> 
Sent: June 14, 2019 6:31 PM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start

 

just a suggestion.  Might want to take a very light grit sandpaper to the chamber and piston assembly to wipe off any grinding areas so as to ensure the lubrication isn't just temporary.

 

Terry

On June 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> > wrote: 

Problem solved. Thanks to everyone that contributed ? and there were many of you. After the air cleaners were removed and I attempted to lift the pistons, neither one would budge! I removed the suction chambers and separated the piston/needle from the suction chamber. I used WD40 to wipe the sliding surfaces between the piston/needle and the suction chamber. It did not seem pitted but the surface definitely had rust impeding the movement. After a slight rub down and reassembly, it started right up, first turn of the key. Now, the ?inquiring minds want to know? part, why would it start when one plug was removed?

 

Again, you guys are the best. Thanks for your help.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

 


 

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jun 14 16:40:16 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 16:40:16 -0600
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
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The Lucas name has been sliced and diced so many times that I don't think the current company (whoever they are) has anything in common with the original, beyond owning the right to use those 5 letters in that order.
-- Randall

On 14 June 2019 09:49:08 GMT-06:00, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:
>Dave
>
>While this may seem blasphemy ? I put in pertronix flame-thrower 40Kv
>coil in the ?3a.  I had a lucas sport coil and a spark indicator showed
>spark then the new coil was insanely brighter.
>
>I do wonder if the lucas one from the major vendors is just plain crap
>? personal opinion.
>
>David
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Fri Jun 14 16:47:58 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:47:58 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
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Uhm, which five letters are we talking?  "light," "flicker," or "dark"???????   :o)

> Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidanceOn June 14, 2019 at 6:40 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
>     The Lucas name has been sliced and diced so many times that I don't think the current company (whoever they are) has anything in common with the original, beyond owning the right to use those 5 letters in that order.
>     -- Randall
> 
>     On 14 June 2019 09:49:08 GMT-06:00, David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com> wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         Dave
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         While this may seem blasphemy ? I put in pertronix flame-thrower 40Kv coil in the ?3a.  I had a lucas sport coil and a spark indicator showed spark then the new coil was insanely brighter. 
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         I do wonder if the lucas one from the major vendors is just plain crap ? personal opinion.
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         David
> > 
> >     > 


 

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From mdporter at dfn.com  Fri Jun 14 16:48:33 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 16:48:33 -0600
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
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On 6/14/2019 4:40 PM, Randall wrote:
> Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance The Lucas name has been 
> sliced and diced so many times that I don't think the current company 
> (whoever they are) has anything in common with the original, beyond 
> owning the right to use those 5 letters in that order.


They, indeed, are greatly diversified.? They even have an aircraft 
manufacturing division of some sort, and an engineering consulting group 
inside that division.? They were contracted to a parent company for 
which I worked a couple of decades plus ago, and they were nitwits.? And 
expensive nitwits at that.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


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From terryrs at comcast.net  Fri Jun 14 16:50:01 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 18:50:01 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
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Easy enough to check.  Just remove the chamber and piston assembly and move them upon and down listening and feeling for any "catch" points.  If  you feel minor grinding, the assembly is not moving smoothly enough.

> On June 14, 2019 at 6:34 PM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Thanks for the suggestion. I thought about that as I cleaned it up but was leery of making it worse.
> 
>      
> 
>     Keith
> 
>      
> 
>     From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
>     Sent: June 14, 2019 6:31 PM
>     To: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
> 
>      
> 
>     just a suggestion.  Might want to take a very light grit sandpaper to the chamber and piston assembly to wipe off any grinding areas so as to ensure the lubrication isn't just temporary.
> 
>      
> 
>     Terry
> 
>         > > 
> >         On June 14, 2019 at 6:14 PM Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net mailto:keithstewart at bell.net > wrote:
> > 
> >         Problem solved. Thanks to everyone that contributed ? and there were many of you. After the air cleaners were removed and I attempted to lift the pistons, neither one would budge! I removed the suction chambers and separated the piston/needle from the suction chamber. I used WD40 to wipe the sliding surfaces between the piston/needle and the suction chamber. It did not seem pitted but the surface definitely had rust impeding the movement. After a slight rub down and reassembly, it started right up, first turn of the key. Now, the ?inquiring minds want to know? part, why would it start when one plug was removed?
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Again, you guys are the best. Thanks for your help.
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >         Keith Stewart
> > 
> >         keithstewart at bell.net mailto:keithstewart at bell.net
> > 
> >          
> > 
> >     > 
> 
>      
> 
>         > > 
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Jun 14 17:47:49 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Fri, 14 Jun 2019 19:47:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
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? and it does seem to be moving smoothly. Regardless, now that I know what caused the problem, it is easy enough to address if it hangs up again.

 

Keith

 

From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> 
Sent: June 14, 2019 6:50 PM
To: Keith Richard Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>; Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start

 

Easy enough to check.  Just remove the chamber and piston assembly and move them upon and down listening and feeling for any "catch" points.  If  you feel minor grinding, the assembly is not moving smoothly enough.

 

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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sat Jun 15 03:26:43 2019
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 10:26:43 +0100
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
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References: <c854dd9696c52de6a06cc8a6e4c7a85b@mail.gmail.com>
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Lucas Industries merged with Varity in 1996 to become LucasVarity. That merger was then absorbed/bought out by TRW so Lucas now an American company?

Jonmac

Remember, it?s rarely a good idea to squat, unless you?ve already removed your spurs!

> On 14 Jun 2019, at 23:48, Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 6/14/2019 4:40 PM, Randall wrote:
>> The Lucas name has been sliced and diced so many times that I don't think the current company (whoever they are) has anything in common with the original, beyond owning the right to use those 5 letters in that order.
> 
> They, indeed, are greatly diversified.  They even have an aircraft manufacturing division of some sort, and an engineering consulting group inside that division.  They were contracted to a parent company for which I worked a couple of decades plus ago, and they were nitwits.  And expensive nitwits at that.
> 
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
> 
> 
> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sat Jun 15 04:14:51 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 04:14:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
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On 6/15/2019 3:26 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> Lucas Industries merged with Varity in 1996 to become LucasVarity. 
> That merger was then absorbed/bought out by TRW so Lucas now an 
> American company?
>
Not exactly.? The company's main divisions--aerospace, automotive and 
credit reporting--were sold off at various times over the past twenty 
years.? TRW bought LucasVarity, then sold off the division, LucasDiesel, 
to Delphi and Lucas Aerospace to Goodrich.? In 2002, Northrop Grumman 
took TRW in a hostile takeover.? The automotive assets of TRW and 
LucasVarity were then sold to the investment fund, the Blackstone Group, 
as TRW Automotive.? The credit reporting division was spun off as 
Experion, while the Blackstone Group eventually sold TRW Automotive to ZF.

So, technically, what's left of LucasVarity is now German-owned, and TRW 
is no more.


Cheers, John.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....



From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jun 15 05:53:43 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 11:53:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
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References: <c854dd9696c52de6a06cc8a6e4c7a85b@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <982326991.1368431.1560599623145@mail.yahoo.com>

 

So, technically, what's left of LucasVarity is now German-owned, and TRW 
is no more.
 Und, so now ze German take-over of Europe is complete !
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Sent: Sat, Jun 15, 2019 5:15 am
Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance

On 6/15/2019 3:26 AM, John Macartney wrote:
> Lucas Industries merged with Varity in 1996 to become LucasVarity. 
> That merger was then absorbed/bought out by TRW so Lucas now an 
> American company?
>
Not exactly.? The company's main divisions--aerospace, automotive and 
credit reporting--were sold off at various times over the past twenty 
years.? TRW bought LucasVarity, then sold off the division, LucasDiesel, 
to Delphi and Lucas Aerospace to Goodrich.? In 2002, Northrop Grumman 
took TRW in a hostile takeover.? The automotive assets of TRW and 
LucasVarity were then sold to the investment fund, the Blackstone Group, 
as TRW Automotive.? The credit reporting division was spun off as 
Experion, while the Blackstone Group eventually sold TRW Automotive to ZF.

So, technically, what's left of LucasVarity is now German-owned, and TRW 
is no more.


Cheers, John.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....


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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Jun 15 09:49:51 2019
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Richard Stewart)
Date: Sat, 15 Jun 2019 11:49:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Inquiring Minds Want to Know - Was TR Won't Start
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Phil Allen, who was the Team Triumph head mechanic back in the 60s when Craig Hill raced a TR4A for the Canadian Team has suggested that with one plug removed, the manifold vacuum would suck cylinder air back into the manifold and weaken the mixture as stuck pistons would have given a rich mixture.

 

Keit

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From davidt at opentext.com  Sun Jun 16 09:08:34 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:08:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Conversation starter.
Message-ID: <c4de5acc-843c-47e1-9683-b0eec80f4bcb@email.android.com>

Happy Father's Day to the list.  The '3a was out at her first show in 12 years and she held the conversation of a lot of people.  :-)

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From PeterAra at msn.com  Sun Jun 16 09:44:01 2019
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 15:44:01 +0000
Subject: [TR] Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB356467EA762BAB740F65231DC1E80@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

The "Lucas" name is laso being licensed to whoever has the cash.  that's why you are seeing Lucas gasket sets, water pumps, etc...  Foe example the currect "Lucas" sports coil is not.  If you want a real sports coil you have to buy one made by Intermotor, they had made it for old Lucas.  It still won't be the "real" one with the red top, but it will be a very good coil.

Peter Arakelian 71 TR6
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jun 16 13:33:04 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 14:33:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance
In-Reply-To: <DM5PR06MB356467EA762BAB740F65231DC1E80@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
References: <DM5PR06MB356467EA762BAB740F65231DC1E80@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <000a01d5247a$51b341d0$f519c570$@ranteer.com>

I guess it depends upon what you want.  Both Bosch and Pertronix make very high quality, high output coils.  They have been my go to for years.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Peter Arakelian
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:44 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Puzzled by simple things. Looking for guidance

 

The "Lucas" name is laso being licensed to whoever has the cash.  that's why you are seeing Lucas gasket sets, water pumps, etc...  Foe example the currect "Lucas" sports coil is not.  If you want a real sports coil you have to buy one made by Intermotor, they had made it for old Lucas.  It still won't be the "real" one with the red top, but it will be a very good coil.

 

Peter Arakelian 71 TR6

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jun 16 13:34:26 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 14:34:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Conversation starter.
In-Reply-To: <c4de5acc-843c-47e1-9683-b0eec80f4bcb@email.android.com>
References: <c4de5acc-843c-47e1-9683-b0eec80f4bcb@email.android.com>
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Pictures please!!!

 

We are making fajitas for dinner and celebrating me!!

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Templeton
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:09 AM
To: Triumphs at Autox Team. Net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Conversation starter.

 

Happy Father's Day to the list.  The '3a was out at her first show in 12 years and she held the conversation of a lot of people.  :-) 

 

David 

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From davidt at opentext.com  Sun Jun 16 16:28:46 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 16 Jun 2019 22:28:46 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  Conversation starter.
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My bad thought is had attached in the original ?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 3:34 PM
To: 'Triumphs at Autox Team. Net' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [TR] Conversation starter.

Pictures please!!!

We are making fajitas for dinner and celebrating me!!

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of David Templeton
Sent: Sunday, June 16, 2019 10:09 AM
To: Triumphs at Autox Team. Net <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] Conversation starter.

Happy Father's Day to the list.  The '3a was out at her first show in 12 years and she held the conversation of a lot of people.  :-)

David
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jun 17 15:18:49 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:18:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] oil
Message-ID: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>

I've been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and
it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.  It has
zddp.

 

Now its 1 to 2 months.

 

However - Advanced Auto Parts -
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthet
ic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synt
hetic

 

With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.  You can
buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it's a 6 pack), and it's a couple
pennies cheaper!!!

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Jun 17 15:43:44 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Mon, 17 Jun 2019 16:43:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <000001d52555$bd0a3bb0$371eb310$@flash.net>

Last I bought from Amazon was 23.99 for a case of 6, $3.99ea, bought two
cases and some other doodad to get the free shipping.  That was April, now I
don't see anything less than $34 for a case.  Still better than $6.50 at the
local FLAPS in our town.   Then there's the guy that wants $14.37 for 1
quart!!!

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 4:19 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] oil

 

I've been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and
it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.  It has
zddp.

 

Now its 1 to 2 months.

 

However - Advanced Auto Parts -
https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthet
ic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synt
hetic

 

With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.  You can
buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it's a 6 pack), and it's a couple
pennies cheaper!!!

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Tue Jun 18 13:24:57 2019
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 19:24:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>

I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on a regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for around $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot cheaper than a spun bearing or flattened cam!

Joel...

________________________________
From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] oil


I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.  It has zddp.



Now its 1 to 2 months.



However ? Advanced Auto Parts - https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic



With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.  You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Tue Jun 18 13:45:13 2019
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:45:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR Oil
Message-ID: <000801d5260e$590057d0$0b010770$@optonline.net>

   I bought a case of 6 Valvoline 20W-50 VR1 Racing Oil from Amazon on May
12, 2019 for $28.52 and it was delivered in less than 

48 hours (Prime).  It now looks like the price has gone up to $33.19 but it
says it's "in stock". YMMV.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY - 1976 TR6 CF57948U

 

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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Jun 18 14:25:09 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 15:25:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
 <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4CBA6C38-3A4A-47BF-809E-D0655B52E245@ca.rr.com>

In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).

I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff.

 Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed the name to avoid confusion.
-- Randall
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 15:44:09 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:44:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <4CBA6C38-3A4A-47BF-809E-D0655B52E245@ca.rr.com>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
 <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <4CBA6C38-3A4A-47BF-809E-D0655B52E245@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCmoibKHzk-vpc1XdqGVZYcqRyh+GX9D8FjrtKDOaPffQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff,
although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!

Don
1962 TR3B (87mm pistons & liners, fast road cam)

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required
> detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API
> SL (IIRC).
>
> I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt
> with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff.
>
> Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use
> on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed the
> name to avoid confusion.
> -- Randall** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From genewellenstein at gmail.com  Tue Jun 18 15:54:12 2019
From: genewellenstein at gmail.com (Eugene Wellenstein)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 16:54:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR Oil
In-Reply-To: <000801d5260e$590057d0$0b010770$@optonline.net>
References: <000801d5260e$590057d0$0b010770$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <CAGdYO9Jo-fYuMoyhxdB-Wri+=SVibd41hW6dafrHaSvJnC26Ew@mail.gmail.com>

If you live near a Menard's store (many stores in Wisconsin and neighboring
states)  the VR1 20W-50 is usually $4.99 a quart. This week it is on sale
for $4.44 a quart. You must buy in case quantities (6 quarts per case) and
pick up at the store. Usually not in stock, but only takes about a week to
arrive in store. The SKU is 2612837.

Gene Wellenstein, Kewaunee, WI

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 2:45 PM <dctr6 at optonline.net> wrote:

>    I bought a case of 6 Valvoline 20W-50 VR1 Racing Oil from Amazon on May
> 12, 2019 for $28.52 and it was delivered in less than
>
> 48 hours (Prime).  It now looks like the price has gone up to $33.19 but
> it says it?s ?in stock?. YMMV.
>
> Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY - 1976 TR6 CF57948U
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Jun 18 16:08:04 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 17:08:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFCmoibKHzk-vpc1XdqGVZYcqRyh+GX9D8FjrtKDOaPffQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
 <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <4CBA6C38-3A4A-47BF-809E-D0655B52E245@ca.rr.com>
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Message-ID: <000a01d52622$4e34e2d0$ea9ea870$@flash.net>

Same here, have used in all my TR3s for about 10 years now, no build up, no problems.  I use the organic version, not the synthetic.

Bill b

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:44 PM
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] oil

 

I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff, although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!

 

Don

1962 TR3B (87mm pistons & liners, fast road cam)

 

On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > wrote:

In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).

I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff

Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed the name to avoid confusion.
-- Randall** triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  **

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Jun 18 18:01:24 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:01:24 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <000a01d52622$4e34e2d0$ea9ea870$@flash.net>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
 <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <4CBA6C38-3A4A-47BF-809E-D0655B52E245@ca.rr.com>
 <CAPK7CFCmoibKHzk-vpc1XdqGVZYcqRyh+GX9D8FjrtKDOaPffQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <000a01d52622$4e34e2d0$ea9ea870$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <2058927385.810015.1560902486014@connect.xfinity.com>

Not sure I'm recalling correctly and I've deleted it, but was the original post about running Valvoline 20-50 synthetic?  


Just my experience, of course, but I ran that for the life of the first rebuild I ran in the TR3.  When I tore the engine down I found the lifters and cam had traded metal pretty severely.  Have been running VR1 20 50 non-syn in this second rebuild.  No issues so far and not seeing crud on the filler cap, but have yet to tear this engine down...thankfully!


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire

> On June 18, 2019 at 6:08 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Same here, have used in all my TR3s for about 10 years now, no build up, no problems.  I use the organic version, not the synthetic.
> 
>     Bill b
> 
>     TS30800L
> 
>      
> 
>     From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
>     Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:44 PM
>     To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>     Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] oil
> 
>      
> 
>     I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff, although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!
> 
>      
> 
>     Don
> 
>     1962 TR3B (87mm pistons & liners, fast road cam)
> 
>      
> 
>     On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com > wrote:
> 
>         > > 
> >         In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).
> > 
> >         I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff
> > 
> >         Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed the name to avoid confusion.
> >         -- Randall** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net **
> > 
> >         Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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> > 
> >     > 


 

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From L1j1s at aol.com  Tue Jun 18 18:46:04 2019
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:46:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] Craigslist posting from Indiana
In-Reply-To: <C0C4F5A8-EECE-4566-8937-D751BC3D9F25@ca.rr.com>
References: <000901d52206$f147a450$d3d6ecf0$@uprichard.net>
 <C0C4F5A8-EECE-4566-8937-D751BC3D9F25@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <E9430CC6-246B-4F41-AE39-ABC46FEBB602@aol.com>

That?s what i call old time bartering . Larry Schwartz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jun 13, 2019, at 4:53 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> Either way, I would want to know a LOT more about the car. A rusty hulk 1800 isn't worth any more than a rusty hulk TR3, maybe less.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 13 June 2019 10:42:07 GMT-06:00, Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>> If only it was a TR3?????..
>>  
>> https://southbend.craigslist.org/bar/d/winamac-classic-car-for-tree-removal/6903660816.html
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jun 18 19:22:21 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 20:22:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR Oil
In-Reply-To: <000801d5260e$590057d0$0b010770$@optonline.net>
References: <000801d5260e$590057d0$0b010770$@optonline.net>
Message-ID: <003801d5263d$71b0f260$5512d720$@ranteer.com>

That's dinosaur juice, not full syn

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
dctr6 at optonline.net
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 2:45 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR Oil

 

   I bought a case of 6 Valvoline 20W-50 VR1 Racing Oil from Amazon on May
12, 2019 for $28.52 and it was delivered in less than 

48 hours (Prime).  It now looks like the price has gone up to $33.19 but it
says it's "in stock". YMMV.

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY - 1976 TR6 CF57948U

 

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Jun 18 21:02:36 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 18 Jun 2019 23:02:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <47601716-e6ca-17c5-5276-15614486f050@verizon.net>

A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a guy...original owner from 
the early 70's, wanted to rebuild the car as a retirement gift to 
himself and his wife...apparent very fond memories.

Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I pulled the oil 
cap for a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were different 
colors...looked nearly new! The engine had never been touched, let alone 
that the car had sat for the last 15 years outdoors in the weather.? 
First tests, the engine still had great and even compression.? He'd been 
running Mobil 1 since the very first oil change in 1971.?? It made a 
believer out of me. I've been running Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever 
since... perhaps 110K+ miles cumulative now, without single issue.

Plus...you can buy 4 (5?) quart big jugs at Walmart for well under $30


ymmv

ptegler


On 6/18/2019 3:24 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote:
> I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does 
> have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on 
> a regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 
> 20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for 
> around $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot cheaper 
> than a spun bearing or flattened cam!
>
> Joel...
>
> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
> *From:* dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] oil
>
> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, 
> and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free 
> shipping.? It has zddp.
>
> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>
> However ? Advanced Auto Parts - 
> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic
>
> With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.? 
> You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and 
> it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Jun 19 04:50:36 2019
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 06:50:36 -0400
Subject: [TR] oil
In-Reply-To: <47601716-e6ca-17c5-5276-15614486f050@verizon.net>
References: <001801d52552$41bf26d0$c53d7470$@ranteer.com>
 <CY4PR13MB09511A36B7C0DD3A565FB096BEEA0@CY4PR13MB0951.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <47601716-e6ca-17c5-5276-15614486f050@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <C1ECCA1381FF486DB0FC6152D85A82E9@VlackTK121647>

Did you replace the cam and lifters at the time of rebuild or re-use the original ones? How many miles on the rebuild?
JVV

From: Paul Tegler 
Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:02 PM
To: Joel E. Justin ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] oil

A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a guy...original owner from the early 70's, wanted to rebuild the car as a retirement gift to himself and his wife...apparent very fond memories.

Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I pulled the oil cap for a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were different colors...looked nearly new! The engine had never been touched, let alone that the car had sat for the last 15 years outdoors in the weather.? First tests, the engine still had great and even compression.? He'd been running Mobil 1 since the very first oil change in 1971.?? It made a believer out of me. I've been running Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever since... perhaps 110K+ miles cumulative now, without single issue.

Plus...you can buy 4 (5?) quart big jugs at Walmart for well under $30



ymmv 


ptegler




On 6/18/2019 3:24 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote:

  I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down on a regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad Penn) 20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF for around $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot cheaper than a spun bearing or flattened cam!

  Joel...


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  From: dave mailto:dave at ranteer.com
  Sent: Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM
  To: triumphs at autox.team.net
  Subject: [TR] oil 
  ?
  I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free shipping.? It has zddp.

  ?

  Now its 1 to 2 months.

  ?

  However ? Advanced Auto Parts - https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic

  ?

  With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.? You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!


   
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jun 19 13:29:51 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 15:29:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] oil
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we didn't rebuild the engine!

After my post yesterday, it got me wondering...so I contacted him about 
the car. His daughter has been driving it to/from college these 
days...getting 30mpg on the highway

now has around 130K miles on it and running fine! He said (she said) it 
started fine all winter long for her without single issue.

(not sure what college she's at..didn't think to ask)

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On 6/19/2019 6:50 AM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
> Did you replace the cam and lifters at the time of rebuild or re-use 
> the original ones? How many miles on the rebuild?
> JVV
> *From:* Paul Tegler
> *Sent:* Tuesday, June 18, 2019 11:02 PM
> *To:* Joel E. Justin ; triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] oil
>
> A bunch of years ago I restored an LBC for a guy...original owner from 
> the early 70's, wanted to rebuild the car as a retirement gift to 
> himself and his wife...apparent very fond memories.
>
> Long story short.... 110K+ miles on the odo.... when I pulled the oil 
> cap for a first look, the valves, rockers, pedestals, all were 
> different colors...looked nearly new! The engine had never been 
> touched, let alone that the car had sat for the last 15 years outdoors 
> in the weather.? First tests, the engine still had great and even 
> compression.? He'd been running Mobil 1 since the very first oil 
> change in 1971.?? It made a believer out of me. I've been running 
> Mobil 1 20-50 in all my LBC's ever since... perhaps 110K+ miles 
> cumulative now, without single issue.
>
> Plus...you can buy 4 (5?) quart big jugs at Walmart for well under $30
>
> ymmv
>
> ptegler
>
> On 6/18/2019 3:24 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote:
>> I wouldn't advise using VR-1 Racing oil in our LBC's. While it does 
>> have some zinc, it's designed for racing engines that are torn down 
>> on a regular basis. My oil of choice is Penn Grade (used to be Brad 
>> Penn) 20W50 partially synthetic. You can get it from Amazon or TRF 
>> for around $8 per quart. Sure it's more expensive, but still a lot 
>> cheaper than a spun bearing or flattened cam!
>> Joel...
>> ------------------------------------------------------------------------
>> *From:* dave mailto:dave at ranteer.com
>> *Sent:* Monday, June 17, 2019 2:18 PM
>> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* [TR] oil
>> ?
>>
>> I?ve been using Valvoline 20w 50 full synthetic for several years 
>> now, and it used to be immediately available from Amazon with free 
>> shipping.? It has zddp.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Now its 1 to 2 months.
>>
>> ?
>>
>> However ? Advanced Auto Parts - 
>> https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline+20w-50+full+synthetic
>>
>> ?
>>
>> With free shipping with a minimum order of $25, which is 3 quarts.? 
>> You can buy it any number of quarts (from Amazon it?s a 6 pack), and 
>> it?s a couple pennies cheaper!!!
>>
>>
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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Wed Jun 19 13:49:01 2019
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (anabil007)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 12:49:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] oil
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I am sold on RedLine ... 20/50 of course...after a blown rocker gasket it got us home (50) miles with only 4 quarts...and no damage anywhere.
Just Saying...

Bill Pugh
Wallace, CA


> On Jun 18, 2019, at 5:01 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Not sure I'm recalling correctly and I've deleted it, but was the original post about running Valvoline 20-50 synthetic?  
> 
> 
> 
> Just my experience, of course, but I ran that for the life of the first rebuild I ran in the TR3.  When I tore the engine down I found the lifters and cam had traded metal pretty severely.  Have been running VR1 20 50 non-syn in this second rebuild.  No issues so far and not seeing crud on the filler cap, but have yet to tear this engine down...thankfully!
> 
> 
> 
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
> 
> New Hampshire
> 
>> On June 18, 2019 at 6:08 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> Same here, have used in all my TR3s for about 10 years now, no build up, no problems.  I use the organic version, not the synthetic.
>> 
>> Bill b
>> 
>> TS30800L
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
>> Sent: Tuesday, June 18, 2019 4:44 PM
>> To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] oil
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> I've used VR1 for years, too.  Nothing but compliments about the stuff, although to be honest, I can't say myTR really demands much from an oil!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Don
>> 
>> 1962 TR3B (87mm pistons & liners, fast road cam)
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> On Tue, Jun 18, 2019 at 4:35 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>> 
>> In spite of the name, VR1 is actually a street oil, with the required detergents and so on for long service. The 20W50 version actually meets API SL (IIRC).
>> 
>> I've used it for a long time, and never seen the kind of sludge and dirt with it that I have seen with other oils. IMO, it's good stuff
>> 
>> Valvoline also offers "Proline" racing oil, which is not designed for use on the street. It used to be called "Not Street Legal" but they changed the name to avoid confusion.
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From lherault at verizon.net  Wed Jun 19 14:23:16 2019
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Wed, 19 Jun 2019 16:23:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] 2 problems -'73 TR-6
Message-ID: <002e01d526dc$d41b57c0$7c520740$@net>

Hi gang,

 

I'll start with the newest first.  The brake pedal seems a bit soft and will
go down slowly to a point.   Car seems to stop OK, fluid level is not going
down.  I don't hear hissing from the booster.  Could it be time to rebuild
the (replaced) master cylinder?

 

The second problem is hard to describe.   The engine will run fine until it
gets to near operating temperature, usually.  Then  it seems like it runs on
only two cylinders.  Pulling out the choke helps and fluttering the gas
pedal to finally get the engine to rev up seems to stop it.  Once going at
speed it does not usually revert to the odd running.    What is the wisdom
of the collective to which I have been assimilated?

 

Thanks,

 

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From davidt at opentext.com  Sat Jun 22 21:33:11 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 03:33:11 +0000
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
Message-ID: <YTXPR0101MB21891AEE4372D43168A3E026B6E10@YTXPR0101MB2189.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here

https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ

I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Sat Jun 22 21:47:49 2019
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 22:47:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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im thinking rod bearing

Patrick

On 6/22/2019 10:33 PM, David Templeton wrote:
>
> I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.? On returning home and running 
> at idle I noticed a knock.? I hear in the video here
>
> https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ
>
> I am now scared ?? please tell me something is not going to blow 
> after all this work?
>
> David
>
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sat Jun 22 23:03:52 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sat, 22 Jun 2019 22:03:52 -0700
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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Just for giggles, pull your rocker arm assembly then the push rods. Roll 
the push rods on a flat surface to see if one might be bent. Also look 
closely at the cups to see if one might be cracked. I always like to 
check the cheapest/easiest to R&R parts to replace first. Sounds like a 
single cylinder.

Second I would drop the pan, check rod bearing torque. If that is good, 
take a look at each lower rod bearing.

On 6/22/19 8:47 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
>
> im thinking rod bearing
>
> Patrick
>
> On 6/22/2019 10:33 PM, David Templeton wrote:
>>
>> I ran the ???3 for about 60miles today.? On returning home and 
>> running at idle I noticed a knock.?? I hear in the video here
>>
>> ?
>>
>> https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ
>>
>> ?
>>
>> I am now scared ?????? please tell me something is not going to blow 
>> after all this work?
>>
>> ?
>>
>> David
>>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Jun 23 07:11:01 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:11:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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Good ideas Teriann but it does sound like a rod bearing.  

Set the hand brake, put the car in 2nd or 3rd gear and try to go.  Does the knock get more pronounced?   Yes, it?s a rod. 

Hope for the best,
Bill
TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 23, 2019, at 12:03 AM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

Just for giggles, pull your rocker arm assembly then the push rods. Roll the push rods on a flat surface to see if one might be bent. Also look closely at the cups to see if one might be cracked. I always like to check the cheapest/easiest to R&R parts to replace first. Sounds like a single cylinder.

Second I would drop the pan, check rod bearing torque. If that is good, take a look at each lower rod bearing.

> On 6/22/19 8:47 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
> im thinking rod bearing
> 
> Patrick
> 
>> On 6/22/2019 10:33 PM, David Templeton wrote:
>> I ran the ???3 for about 60miles today.?  On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.?  I hear in the video here
>> ? 
>> https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ
>> ? 
>> I am now scared ?????  please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?
>> ? 
>> David
>> 
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sun Jun 23 07:22:03 2019
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:22:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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Check the crank bolt holding the fan extension to be sure it?s tight. I once had a similar noise and it turned out to be a loose crank extension bolt.
JVV

From: David Templeton 
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 11:33 PM
To: 'Triumphs at Autox Team. Net' 
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?

I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here 

 

https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ

 

I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?

 

David 



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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 07:39:43 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 06:39:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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On 6/23/19 6:11 AM, Wbeech at flash.net wrote:
> Good ideas Teriann but it does sound like a rod bearing.
>
> Set the hand brake, put the car in 2nd or 3rd gear and try to go. 
> ?Does the knock get more pronounced? ? Yes, it???s a rod.
A cracked pushrod cup will do the same. My 3 had one when I purchased 
her. I had just about decided to go through the engine when I pulled the 
valve cover and noticed an oil line on the outside of a cup. Turned out 
to be the seam of a crack. The cup opened up under pressure and sounded 
just like a top end rod bearing.

From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 07:52:47 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 08:52:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFBJkqcyq5LRSmnV7X6bAXf7VcZt59hKSz8kLJVKsnwR2A@mail.gmail.com>

Did I miss a prior link to this on our list?  Some members of our community
are on the ballot this year...

http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/?fbclid=IwAR1yz_oPn-YAPke9kIBdJ-7_YQ1fSg5_AQeI3H1XTs_TRtW29KyzJepOhzU#
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jun 23 08:12:50 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:12:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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FWIW, I had a previous TR3A engine that made a similar knock at hot idle,
including the erratic aspect.  My best theory was piston slap, but after
driving it that way for several years, I wound up trading the engine off
without ever pulling it apart to discover what the true issue was.

With respect to TeriAnn, I don't see how a valve train problem can get
louder under load, since the load on the valve train does not depend on the
load on the engine.  A rod knock, OTOH, gets a LOT louder at low rpm and
heavy load.

Just to cover all possibilities, my current TR3 had a knock that I thought
must be connecting rod, even though it didn't sound or act quite the same.
Turned out the crankshaft snapped through the front web, near the rod
journal.  The break was almost invisible with the pan off, the most obvious
sign was the damage to #1 connecting rod where the crank had been flexing.
But once I knew what to look for, I could see the dark line around the crank
web.

But it didn't come and go as David's knock does, so I don't think that is
likely to be his problem.

-- Randall  


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 08:26:03 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 07:26:03 -0700
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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On 6/23/19 7:12 AM, Randall wrote:
> With respect to TeriAnn, I don't see how a valve train problem can get
> louder under load, since the load on the valve train does not depend on the
> load on the engine.  A rod knock, OTOH, gets a LOT louder at low rpm and
> heavy load.
Next time you are adjusting valves, loosen one to about 1/4" gap, put 
the valve cover back on and start the engine. Then take it around the 
block. Not trusting my own diagnosis at the time I took the car to a 
couple shops and they all said top end rod bearing.

From pryner at outlook.com  Sun Jun 23 08:33:16 2019
From: pryner at outlook.com (Peter Ryner)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:33:16 +0000
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
In-Reply-To: <83f9a26f-f497-cc17-bebb-c085d41c93a3@gmail.com>
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Before tearing into the engine too much check your fan belt.  I had a similar noise, thought it was in the engine.  Took out the pushrods and tappets and found nothing.  Put it all back together and noise still there.  I was under the car trying to listen for the noise and had someone accelerate the motor.  Heard the noise right above my head.  The belt had broken some of the metal fibers inside and under acceleration they were swinging out and hitting the cross bar in front of the engine.  Never hurts to look around.
Pete

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn J. Wakeman
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 10:26 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] What is the knock?

On 6/23/19 7:12 AM, Randall wrote:
> With respect to TeriAnn, I don't see how a valve train problem can get 
> louder under load, since the load on the valve train does not depend 
> on the load on the engine.  A rod knock, OTOH, gets a LOT louder at 
> low rpm and heavy load.
Next time you are adjusting valves, loosen one to about 1/4" gap, put the valve cover back on and start the engine. Then take it around the block. Not trusting my own diagnosis at the time I took the car to a couple shops and they all said top end rod bearing.
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From greg at gelhar.com  Sun Jun 23 08:51:05 2019
From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 09:51:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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A member of my Triumph Club had a similar sound coming from his engine bay. After investigation, we found one of the cooling fan mounting bolts had come loose. It was making that loud knocking sound and was a simple fix.

 

Greg G.

Osseo, MN

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Templeton
Sent: Saturday, June 22, 2019 10:33 PM
To: 'Triumphs at Autox Team. Net' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?

 

I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here 

 

https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ

 

I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?

 

David 

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From fmags at cox.net  Sun Jun 23 12:31:20 2019
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 13:31:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 139
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1561312802.25364.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.5.1561312802.25364.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Hi David,

To take the guesswork out of it, get a mechanics stethoscope and see if you
can isolate where the noise is coming from; top end, bottom end, etc.  A
large screwdriver works well also.  Put the tip of the blade against the
engine, and the end of the handle against your ear.  But, BE EXTREMELY
CAREFUL around a running engine and be aware of exactly where the
screwdriver or stethoscope is (and your body) in relation to rotating parts
like the fan blades, etc.  also be aware of loose clothing, tuck in shirt,
etc.  Not worth getting a serious injury.  A good mechanic ought to be able
to isolate it for you if you're not comfortable attempting it.

With the stethoscope or screwdriver against the rocker box you can determine
or isolate the top end and can actually identify which exact cylinder the
sound is coming from or not.  Same with middle of block for rod end bearing
or bottom of block for main bearing.

The only knock I've personally had was on my AH 3000 and it was a bad
lifter, which sounded much deeper than this knock.  One I've heard recently
on a video that sounded horrible was actually from a dent in the oil pan
that the crank slapped against.

Don't assume the worst; could be something simple and you should be able to
isolate it with the right tool and a good ear.  

Good luck,
Frank

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I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at idle
I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here

https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ

I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after all
this work?

David>


From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Jun 23 13:47:02 2019
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (Andrew Uprichard)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 15:47:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFBJkqcyq5LRSmnV7X6bAXf7VcZt59hKSz8kLJVKsnwR2A@mail.gmail.com>
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WHERE IS RANDALL YOUNG ???  J

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:53 AM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019

 

Did I miss a prior link to this on our list?  Some members of our community are on the ballot this year...

 

http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/?fbclid=IwAR1yz_oPn-YAPke9kIBdJ-7_YQ1fSg5_AQeI3H1XTs_TRtW29KyzJepOhzU# <http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/?fbclid=IwAR1yz_oPn-YAPke9kIBdJ-7_YQ1fSg5_AQeI3H1XTs_TRtW29KyzJepOhzU> 

 

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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Jun 23 14:21:05 2019
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 13:21:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] ref; What is the knock?
Message-ID: <24a10363-7d8c-4a13-57e3-ce978cdf93b4@att.net>

It could be the timing chain hitting the cover.  Later cars had a glob 
of dumdum on the cover to hide the sound.

If it is the chain it is loud enough that the tensioner is probably broken.

Beware inexpensive chains they don't last for very long.  I believe 
Reynolds were the original suppliers.

Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA

From dlhogye at comcast.net  Sun Jun 23 15:11:59 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 14:11:59 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
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Good question.  He'd get my vote.

DH

> On June 23, 2019 at 12:47 PM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     WHERE IS RANDALL YOUNG ???  J
> 
>      
> 
>     From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
>     Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:53 AM
>     To: Triumphs
>     Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
> 
>      
> 
>     Did I miss a prior link to this on our list?  Some members of our community are on the ballot this year...
> 
>      
> 
>     http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/?fbclid=IwAR1yz_oPn-YAPke9kIBdJ-7_YQ1fSg5_AQeI3H1XTs_TRtW29KyzJepOhzU# http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/?fbclid=IwAR1yz_oPn-YAPke9kIBdJ-7_YQ1fSg5_AQeI3H1XTs_TRtW29KyzJepOhzU
> 
>      
> 


 

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sun Jun 23 15:27:54 2019
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 16:27:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
In-Reply-To: <008501d529fc$6f69cdc0$4e3d6940$@uprichard.net>
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That sounds like you're volunteering to nominate Randall, Andrew!  Well
done.  He's most deserving.
http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/nominations/

On Sun, Jun 23, 2019 at 2:47 PM Andrew Uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> WHERE IS RANDALL YOUNG ???  J
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Don
> Hiscock
> *Sent:* Sunday, June 23, 2019 9:53 AM
> *To:* Triumphs
> *Subject:* [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
>
>
>
> Did I miss a prior link to this on our list?  Some members of our
> community are on the ballot this year...
>
>
>
>
> http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/?fbclid=IwAR1yz_oPn-YAPke9kIBdJ-7_YQ1fSg5_AQeI3H1XTs_TRtW29KyzJepOhzU#
> <http://www.britishsportscarhalloffame.org/vote/?fbclid=IwAR1yz_oPn-YAPke9kIBdJ-7_YQ1fSg5_AQeI3H1XTs_TRtW29KyzJepOhzU>
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Sun Jun 23 17:00:25 2019
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 19:00:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] What is the knock
In-Reply-To: <mailman.5.1561312802.25364.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Wow, what an interesting syncopated beat that knock has.  It seems to have  a hollow tone.  Like striking a wooden box.  

I might have expected a more metallic sound from a rod bearing but it could be almost anything. 

Could "mechanics stethoscope" help?

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jun 23, 2019, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 03:33:11 +0000
> From: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
> To: "'Triumphs at Autox Team. Net'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: m?
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>    
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here
> 
> https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ
> 
> I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?
> 
> David


From davidt at opentext.com  Sun Jun 23 17:20:05 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:20:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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Ok here is the update ?  Check the valves and they were out of spec.  they were .005, now reset to 0.010

https://youtu.be/I72CPihz4KQ

https://youtu.be/usZAzBiXejc

so this is not much different from before but as you can hear, there is no noise.  As you can see good pressure as she comes up to temp.

I think I need to do another run but it seems I have oil leaks to address.  And too thin of gearbox oil ( yes Angelo ? ) and leaving her mark not in one spot but the entire pattern of the frame on the floor?. And the underneath

But on startup I did notice what looked like exhaust coming out of the block side vent pipe????  That cant be normal??

It looks like the timing chain cover seal is leaking ?  I am idiot for not changing that out when I had the front off a couple of months ago.  But need to track more leaks.  I am wondering to drop the pan, check the the contents etc and make a new seal at the very least.

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From davidt at opentext.com  Sun Jun 23 17:20:32 2019
From: davidt at opentext.com (David Templeton)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 23:20:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] - Re:  What is the knock
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Exactly!! It is not rotational speed, much slower than that.

-----Original Message-----
From: Anthony Rhodes <spamiam at comcast.net> 
Sent: Sunday, June 23, 2019 7:00 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: David Templeton <davidt at opentext.com>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] - Re: [TR] What is the knock

Wow, what an interesting syncopated beat that knock has.  It seems to have  a hollow tone.  Like striking a wooden box.  

I might have expected a more metallic sound from a rod bearing but it could be almost anything. 

Could "mechanics stethoscope" help?

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Jun 23, 2019, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 03:33:11 +0000
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> 
> I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here
> 
> https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__youtu.be_fv21IunuojQ&d=DwIFAg&c=ZgVRmm3mf2P1-XDAyDsu4A&r=346MKQty4J9yevdUa9Fj_cT53y_74TwSRM-I7J2SFzs&m=nV7bmpBr3polEImUxmusDu3GNa8k65uTL426hKXX3Nk&s=QgIfT-1NSqxvOQ0KP1E9WayFQ2zhq0nnlwukEsdldnw&e= 
> 
> I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?
> 
> David


From n197tr4 at cs.com  Sun Jun 23 18:18:16 2019
From: n197tr4 at cs.com (Joe Alexander)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 19:18:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame
Message-ID: <19285EAA-4CEB-42B5-8083-1A9F5ECB79EE@cs.com>

In response to recent postings.

The next Class may be held in 2021.  

It is great idea, but did not get organized in time for the Class of 2019.  It may be taken over by another entity. Hopefully, this can be announced in a few months.

It is not my call, but I am promoting the concept.

Regards,

Joe Alexander
4505 Donald Dr
Cedar Falls, IA 50613
The-vintage-racer.com
Gasketinnovations.com
Cell:  319.464.4711



From zoboherald at aol.com  Sun Jun 23 18:55:29 2019
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 00:55:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
In-Reply-To: <008501d529fc$6f69cdc0$4e3d6940$@uprichard.net>
References: <CAPK7CFBJkqcyq5LRSmnV7X6bAXf7VcZt59hKSz8kLJVKsnwR2A@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <318561563.880433.1561337729362@mail.yahoo.com>

 Last I knew, he was somewhere in California. ;)
--AndyAndrew Mace

p.s. Do give some thought to voting for the somewhat likeable curmudgeon who continues to make this list possible...and worthwhile! :D
 
 
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Jun 23 20:08:14 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sun, 23 Jun 2019 21:08:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] British Sports Car Hall of Fame balloting 2019
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Yes, please do consider MJB instead of me!

FWIW (not much) I'm currently in the Ozarks. Hopefully in a few days, I'll have time to work on my TRactor. (49 Ferguson with a Standard engine)
-- Randall

On 23 June 2019 19:55:29 GMT-05:00, "Andrew S. Mace" <zoboherald at aol.com> wrote:
> Last I knew, he was somewhere in California. ;)
>--AndyAndrew Mace
>
>p.s. Do give some thought to voting for the somewhat likeable
>curmudgeon who continues to make this list possible...and worthwhile!
>:D
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jun 24 06:46:37 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 12:46:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
References: <544599283.642277.1561380397950.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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 I'm with the others.? Check out the easy stuff first.? A friend of mine convinced himself he had a rod knock and only after dropping the pan and checking things out did he figure out it was an exhaust leak.
Take the fan belt off and run the engine (briefly) and see if that changes anything.? If it does that is probably where the problem is.? It could be the water pump or a failing belt or the generator.
Use a stethoscope and probe around.? Use a length of hose and probe around.
Happy St. Jean Baptiste Day
 
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2019 10:33 pm
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Mon Jun 24 07:01:47 2019
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David Porter)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 07:01:47 -0600
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
Message-ID: <moxvimrmbo3sad8jilmkh9vw.1561381307867@email.android.com>

My two cents, if it hasn't been mentioned... remove one spark plug wire at a time. If it's a rod bearing the noise will go away.
DaveP

On June 24, 2019, at 6:46 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

I'm with the others.? Check out the easy stuff first.? A friend of mine convinced himself he had a rod knock and only after dropping the pan and checking things out did he figure out it was an exhaust leak.


Take the fan belt off and run the engine (briefly) and see if that changes anything.? If it does that is probably where the problem is.? It could be the water pump or a failing belt or the generator.


Use a stethoscope and probe around.? Use a length of hose and probe around.


Happy St. Jean Baptiste Day



Dave 



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Subject: [TR] What is the knock?

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I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.? On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.? I hear in the video here 

?

https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ

?

I am now scared ?? please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?

?

David 

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Jun 24 07:09:34 2019
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 09:09:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?
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Dave?s comments also reminds me that a loose Water Pump pulley can make the noise you?re hearing.

From: DAVID MASSEY 
Sent: Monday, June 24, 2019 8:46 AM
To: davidt at opentext.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] What is the knock?

I'm with the others.  Check out the easy stuff first.  A friend of mine convinced himself he had a rod knock and only after dropping the pan and checking things out did he figure out it was an exhaust leak.


Take the fan belt off and run the engine (briefly) and see if that changes anything.  If it does that is probably where the problem is.  It could be the water pump or a failing belt or the generator.


Use a stethoscope and probe around.  Use a length of hose and probe around.


Happy St. Jean Baptiste Day



Dave 




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Sent: Sat, Jun 22, 2019 10:33 pm
Subject: [TR] What is the knock?


I ran the ?3 for about 60miles today.  On returning home and running at idle I noticed a knock.  I hear in the video here 

https://youtu.be/fv21IunuojQ

I am now scared ?  please tell me something is not going to blow after all this work?

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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jun 24 16:43:35 2019
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:43:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] GT6 review
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Fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxpaBCuB6o


mjb.



From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Jun 25 15:03:59 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 17:03:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
Message-ID: <389835512.599987.1561496640407@connect.xfinity.com>

My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. 


Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. 


Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two. 


Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three. 


Gadfrey. 


Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier. 


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Jun 25 15:09:26 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 21:09:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
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 fluke number 4beading bends when re-attaching the front apron
fluke number 5last screw going into the captured nut finds the housing has broken loose.
fluke number 6?scratched the paint taking the front off again.

btdtoh the pain
frank

    On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 02:04:25 PM PDT, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
  
My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.? I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.? No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.? Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next.? 





Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.? No spark out of the plugs.? Good spark out of the coil.? Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.? I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.? I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.? Fluke number one.? 





Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.? There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.? Oil pressure is steady and good.? Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.? Fluke number two.? 




Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.?? I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.? Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.? Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.? This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.? 





Gadfrey.? 





Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.? I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.? At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.? 





Terry Smith, '59 TR3A? TS 58667


New Hampshire







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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Jun 25 18:30:16 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 19:30:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
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Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call me an old pointy head. 
Bill
tS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next.  



Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one.  



Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two. 



Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.  



Gadfrey.  



Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.  



Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667

New Hampshire





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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Tue Jun 25 19:42:38 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 18:42:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
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I sometimes wonder what the ratio is between time spent working on the car
and time spent driving.

I suspect it may be close to 1:1 but, like that box of receipts I have, I'm
better off not knowing the specific totals.

Geo

On Tue, Jun 25, 2019 at 2:04 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better
> part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive
> in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because
> exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing,
> stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the
> next.
>
>
> Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work
> testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped
> the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I
> think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing
> leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number
> one.
>
>
> Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture
> one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles
> or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this
> twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number
> two.
>
>
> Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both
> the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got
> under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.
> Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the
> threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a
> plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the
> new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.
>
>
> Gadfrey.
>
>
> Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some
> radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At
> least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.
>
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
>
> New Hampshire
>
>
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jun 25 20:50:02 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave at ranteer.com)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 19:50:02 -0700
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Tue Jun 25 21:46:38 2019
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Tue, 25 Jun 2019 20:46:38 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
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I also use Pertronix and without any problems so far.  Knock on wood.  Not that I couldn't do it myself, but Jeff at Advanced Distributors installed it during the dizzy rebuild back in... 2010ish.  4,500 plus miles and 18 race weekends.  I do have a couple distributors set aside, waiting to send to him.  One with points as a spare and the other with Pertronix for another motor. 

I definitely think it's good idea to have a spares standing by.  If not another Pertronix or a set of points and condenser. 

Dave H.


> On June 25, 2019 at 7:50 PM dave at ranteer.com wrote:
> 
>      
>      I had a drive ruined by a pertronics failing. first one, then two of the magnets fell out.
>      
>     but I always carry a full distributor, with points, rotor, cap, and labeled wires, ready to drop in, already timing set.  this was on the tr4, which I've only had for about 5 years.
>      
>     for those of you who are sunday drivers, I can understand it.  but we get better performance out of the pertronix.  my son seriously autocrosses the TR6, and has trophies to prove it.  have had that car since 2001, and a pertronix for most of those years.  never a problem.  the failures are few and far between, but if it happens on your car its 100%!
>      
>     love the pertronix, but have a backup.
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From: " Wbeech at flash.net mailto:Wbeech at flash.net " < wbeech at flash.net mailto:wbeech at flash.net >
Date: Tue, June 25, 2019 7:30 pm
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Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call me an old pointy head. 
Bill
tS30800L

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On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH < terryrs at comcast.net mailto:terryrs at comcast.net > wrote:

My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. 

Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. 

Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two. 

Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three. 

Gadfrey. 

Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier. 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire


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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jun 26 04:19:37 2019
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This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joe Mato TR3A, TR6 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jun 26 07:20:02 2019
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Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.

Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive.  BTW, love Bunty?s ride.  

Bill B

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On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Jun 26 08:33:08 2019
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Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:33:08 -0400 (EDT)
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To all who responded defending Pertronix, just a note to confess I wasn't taking aim at the product, but rather that I cannot be trusted to treat it right, maybe leaving the key on accidentally or because I'm doing extended troubleshooting using the solenoid starter button under the hood.   The electronic ignition worked fine for me for 7 or eight years otherwise.  Still, replacing points and condensor at the start of every season seems an effortless task compared to packing wheel bearings and changing oil.


On another note, calling around to a radiator shop, the recommendation is to solder, not braze, the drain plug housing back into the radiator.  Since it seemed not much difference than soldering all the plumbing copper pipes I've done around the house, I just went into the garage and put the plug back in.  Used a butane torch, not propane nor acetylene.  Will test with water when it cools a mite.  Saves me a two hour trip to and from Concord to have it done, except they tell me they can't get to it for two weeks anyway.  Hmmm...does that make this a semi-fluke or perhaps an anti-fluke????


Beautiful day here in New Hampshire,

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A


> On June 25, 2019 at 5:03 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
>     My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next. 
> 
> 
>     Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. 
> 
> 
>     Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two. 
> 
> 
>     Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three. 
> 
> 
>     Gadfrey. 
> 
> 
>     Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier. 
> 
> 
>     Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
> 
>     New Hampshire
> 
> 
> 


 

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A 3A in 1953?  Tut, Tut !

 

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Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.

 

Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive.  BTW, love Bunty?s ride.  

 

Bill B

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This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.

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 So they were only off by five years.? What is it that Bunty drives?
 
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Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.
Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive. ?BTW, love Bunty?s ride. ?
Bill B

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This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joe Mato TR3A, TR6 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 08:47:16 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:47:16 -0400
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Terry:
Great story but how nice we can work and diagnose our cars and have helpful advice from the list while doing it.  I second the at least you got a nice 4 hour drive. My 3a is giving up on me after 4 miles I florida heat.  Thought it was Pertronix or something g electrical.  Turns out fuel starvation.  So now I am goi g to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock pump is full but gas not getting to carbs when hot.   Vapor lock??  That?s my project for this weekend.  
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
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61TR3
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81 TR8. Hoping deal comes through for this one to complete the family 

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> On Jun 25, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
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> Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call me an old pointy head. 
> Bill
> tS30800L
> 
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
> 
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next.  
> 
> 
> 
> Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one.  
> 
> 
> 
> Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two. 
> 
> 
> 
> Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.  
> 
> 
> 
> Gadfrey.  
> 
> 
> 
> Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.  
> 
> 
> 
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
> 
> New Hampshire
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From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 11:49:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] my son just got married
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 11:13:54 2019
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 10:13:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
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I'm aware with some of the newer Pertronix modules u can leave the ignition
on and the unit won't cook. At least for the Stag this is the case.

I grew up in England with a Triumph Toledo and my brother always said not
to keep the ignition on with engine not running. The coil gets super hot.
Still do it today and on my modern car and am now getting my 16 year old to
do the same.

Sujit

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019, 7:47 AM James Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Terry:
> Great story but how nice we can work and diagnose our cars and have
> helpful advice from the list while doing it.  I second the at least you got
> a nice 4 hour drive. My 3a is giving up on me after 4 miles I florida
> heat.  Thought it was Pertronix or something g electrical.  Turns out fuel
> starvation.  So now I am goi g to figure out why the fuel bowl on stock
> pump is full but gas not getting to carbs when hot.   Vapor lock??  That?s
> my project for this weekend.
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 60 TR3
> 61TR3
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8. Hoping deal comes through for this one to complete the family
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 8:30 PM, Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>
> Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic
> ignition, just call me an old pointy head.
> Bill
> tS30800L
>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
> My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better
> part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive
> in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because
> exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing,
> stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the
> next.
>
>
> Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work
> testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped
> the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I
> think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing
> leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number
> one.
>
>
> Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture
> one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles
> or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this
> twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number
> two.
>
>
> Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both
> the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got
> under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.
> Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the
> threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a
> plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the
> new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.
>
>
> Gadfrey.
>
>
> Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some
> radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At
> least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.
>
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
>
> New Hampshire
>
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jun 26 12:01:00 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 13:01:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
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Sunbeam Talbot 90 DHC, probably around 1950

 



 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:40 AM
To: wbeech at flash.net; joemato at sbcglobal.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs On TV

 

So they were only off by five years.  What is it that Bunty drives?

 

Dave 

 

 

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To: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net <mailto:joemato at sbcglobal.net> >
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Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop. 

 

Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive.  BTW, love Bunty?s ride.  

 

Bill B

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X


On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net <mailto:joemato at sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.

                                                                                                                                                                    Joe Mato TR3A, TR6

 

 

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From COCHRAN at uthscsa.edu  Wed Jun 26 12:10:43 2019
From: COCHRAN at uthscsa.edu (Cochran, David L)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 18:10:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] my son just got married
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My wife and used my TR6 to leave our wedding with cans attached to the back and  writing on the windshield etc. Fond memories! David

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 11:50 AM
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From baltoalpine at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 12:17:01 2019
From: baltoalpine at gmail.com (baltoalpine at gmail.com)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:17:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
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Bunty (or maybe her aunt) drives a 1953 Sunbeam Alpine, a ?Proper Alpine?. My TR3 would never make the cut for a TV show!

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:40 AM
To: wbeech at flash.net; joemato at sbcglobal.net
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Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs On TV

 

So they were only off by five years.  What is it that Bunty drives?

 

Dave 

 

 

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Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop. 

 

Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive.  BTW, love Bunty?s ride.  

 

Bill B

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X


On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net <mailto:joemato at sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.

                                                                                                                                                                    Joe Mato TR3A, TR6

 

 

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 12:19:54 2019
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 14:19:54 -0400
Subject: [TR] my son just got married
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That's great, Dave! Your future in advertising is secure! ?

Dave Friedlander

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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Wed Jun 26 13:33:32 2019
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 19:33:32 +0000
Subject: [TR] A flood of flukes
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An alternate to carrying a complete dizzy is to buy a points plate from Jeff at Advanced Distributor. Once you get it, put it in to set the point gap, then pull it back out and put it in the boot for that rare occasion when your Pertronix fails. Advantages are smaller, cheaper and no need to futz with the timing. Swap out time is quick too. Only other advice is to have an extra (small) screw or two 'cause they're easy to lose!

Joel Justin...


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Sent: Tuesday, June 25, 2019 7:50 PM
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Subject: Re: [TR] A flood of flukes


 I had a drive ruined by a pertronics failing. first one, then two of the magnets fell out.

but I always carry a full distributor, with points, rotor, cap, and labeled wires, ready to drop in, already timing set.  this was on the tr4, which I've only had for about 5 years.

for those of you who are sunday drivers, I can understand it.  but we get better performance out of the pertronix.  my son seriously autocrosses the TR6, and has trophies to prove it.  have had that car since 2001, and a pertronix for most of those years.  never a problem.  the failures are few and far between, but if it happens on your car its 100%!

love the pertronix, but have a backup.
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Subject: Re: [TR] A flood of flukes
From: "Wbeech at flash.net<mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>" <wbeech at flash.net<mailto:wbeech at flash.net>>
Date: Tue, June 25, 2019 7:30 pm
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net<mailto:terryrs at comcast.net>>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>

Ouch, at least you had a nice 4+ hour drive.   Not a fan of electronic ignition, just call me an old pointy head.
Bill
tS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 25, 2019, at 4:03 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net<mailto:terryrs at comcast.net>> wrote:

My wife had an old college roommate over for lunch on Sunday, so better part of valor I made myself scarce with a 4 and a half hour aimless drive in the TR3.  I should say four hours and twenty-eight minutes, because exactly two minutes from home the car lost all power.  No coughing, stumbling, fluttering.  Just total power one minute, complete shutdown the next.

Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one.

Next I ran it up to temperature at high idle so I could check the mixture one last time, I noticed it was overheating.  There are no knocks, rattles or grindings going on.  Oil pressure is steady and good.  Tested this twice, so I've either got a water pump or thermostat problem.  Fluke number two.

Happen to have a new spare water pump already so I thought to replace both the thermostat and pump while the coolant was already drained.   I got under the car to unscrew the plug from the radiator to let the water out.  Got the plug out, then noticed that not only the plug came out, but the threaded housing came out with it.  Apparently it's like a plug within a plug, one threaded, the other weakly soldered it in.  This is one of the new radiators from one of the Big 3. Fluke number three.

Gadfrey.

Spent today pulling the valence and the radiator.  I'll take it to some radiator place to have the plug housing brazed in instead of soldered.  At least getting at the water pump is going to be easier.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire


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From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 20:33:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
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 Thanks.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs On TV ?So they were only off by five years.? What is it that Bunty drives? ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs On TVWatching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.  ?Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive. ?BTW, love Bunty?s ride. ? ?Bill BSent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joe Mato TR3A, TR6 ? ?On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 02:02:31 PM EDT, triumphs-request at autoxteam.net <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:  ? ?Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to??? triumphs at autox.team.net ?To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.teamnet/mailman/listinfo/triumphsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? triumphs-request at autox.team.net ?You can reach the person managing the list at??? triumphs-owner at autox.team.net ?When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..." ? ?Today's Topics: ?? 1. GT6 review (Mark J Bradakis) ? ?---------------------------------------------------------------------- ?Message: 1Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:43:35 -0600From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>Subject: [TR] GT6 reviewMessage-ID: <ec525631-dff4-3824-5bfc-e04374cf67f4 at bradakis.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed ?Fun. ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxpaBCuB6o ? ?mjb. ? ? ? ?------------------------------ ?Subject: Digest Footer ?_______________________________________________ ?Triumphs mailing listTriumphs at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs ? ?------------------------------ ?End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 142******************************************* triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jun 26 14:35:55 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 20:35:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
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 Thanks.? FWIW, I watched the episode during commercial breaks in the Dr. Who program I was watching.? Too bad they didn't product place Jelly Babies.? My favourite !
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com>; wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>; joemato <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
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Subject: RE: [TR] Triumphs On TV

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Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 10:40 AM
To: wbeech at flash.net; joemato at sbcglobal.net
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Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs On TV ?So they were only off by five years.? What is it that Bunty drives? ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
From: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
To: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jun 26, 2019 8:20 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs On TVWatching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.  ?Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive. ?BTW, love Bunty?s ride. ? ?Bill BSent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joe Mato TR3A, TR6 ? ?On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 02:02:31 PM EDT, triumphs-request at autox.team.net <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:  ? ?Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to??? triumphs at autox.team.net ?To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to??? triumphs-request at autox.team.net ?You can reach the person managing the list at??? triumphs-owner at autox.team.net ?When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..." ? ?Today's Topics: ?? 1. GT6 review (Mark J Bradakis) ? ?---------------------------------------------------------------------- ?Message: 1Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:43:35 -0600From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>Subject: [TR] GT6 reviewMessage-ID: <ec525631-dff4-3824-5bfc-e04374cf67f4 at bradakis.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8; format=flowed ?Fun. ?https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxpaBCuB6o ? ?mjb. ? ? ? ?------------------------------ ?Subject: Digest Footer ?_______________________________________________ ?Triumphs mailing listTriumphs at autox.team.nethttp://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs ? ?------------------------------ ?End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 142******************************************* triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Wed Jun 26 14:48:22 2019
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:48:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] my son just got married
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We did likewise in our 1967 TR4A.  Drove from Columbus, OH to Stowe, VT and back in 1974.  Sir Lucas struck on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in a driving rainstorm.  No lights or wipers! Luckily, there was a mechanic at the next exit who still worked on cars!

 

Cheers,

Chuck

 

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cochran, David L
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 2:11 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 

My wife and used my TR6 to leave our wedding with cans attached to the back and  writing on the windshield etc. Fond memories! David

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 11:50 AM
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jun 26 14:53:54 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 15:53:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] my son just got married
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Chuck,

Much easier finding a mechanic in 1974, if you tried that today you would get a technician and he would be asking you where the OBDII reader plug was.

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck White
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:48 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 

We did likewise in our 1967 TR4A.  Drove from Columbus, OH to Stowe, VT and back in 1974.  Sir Lucas struck on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in a driving rainstorm.  No lights or wipers! Luckily, there was a mechanic at the next exit who still worked on cars!

 

Cheers,

Chuck

 

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cochran, David L
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 2:11 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 

My wife and used my TR6 to leave our wedding with cans attached to the back and  writing on the windshield etc. Fond memories! David

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 11:50 AM
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> " <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [TR] my son just got married

 

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From spamiam at comcast.net  Wed Jun 26 14:57:26 2019
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 16:57:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 143
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Well, maybe not give up
On electronic ignition completely.  I am not a great fan of Pertronix, but they are fairly reliable.  

Even better would be a 45DM4 or 47DM4 distributor from an MG :0 (magnetic reluctor trigger inside) plus the AB14  ignition module.  This is essentially the Lucas CEI ignition system. And the AB14 is actually a Delco HEI ignition module internally.  You run it with a full 12 volts BUT you use a 1.5 ohm ("6 volt") coil.  The module limits the coil current and it gives a nice strong spark, and the module is extremely reliable.  

But well maintained points are perfectly fine!!!  The DM4 dizzy plus AB14 coil needs less maintenance (not zero maintenance!) and is possibly more reliable than points.  

-Tony



> Towed it home with the loader, got it in the garage and went to work testing.  No spark out of the plugs.  Good spark out of the coil.  Swapped the Pertronix unit out for points, engine started and car ran fine.  I think I'm done with electronic ignitions.  I very likely killed the thing leaving the key on or somesuch idiocy to which I am prone.  Fluke number one. 


From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jun 26 16:13:06 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 22:13:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] my son just got married
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References: <005301d52c3f$17717150$465453f0$@ranteer.com>
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 what is this code?




    On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 01:54:12 PM PDT, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:  
 
 
Chuck,

Much easier finding a mechanic in 1974, if you tried that today you would get a technician and he would be asking you where the OBDII reader plug was.

Bill

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck White
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:48 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 ?

We did likewise in our 1967 TR4A.? Drove from Columbus, OH to Stowe, VT and back in 1974.? Sir Lucas struck on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in a driving rainstorm.? No lights or wipers! Luckily, there was a mechanic at the next exit who still worked on cars!

 ?

Cheers,

Chuck

 ?

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cochran, David L
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 2:11 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 ?

My wife and used my TR6 to leave our wedding with cans attached to the back and ?writing on the windshield etc. Fond memories! David

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 11:50 AM
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] my son just got married

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Thought you folks would like this

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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Jun 26 16:34:56 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 26 Jun 2019 17:34:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] my son just got married
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Too much coffee at the last rest stop, get off the 101 asap!

 

From: Frank Fisher [mailto:yellowtr3 at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 5:13 PM
To: 'Chuck White' <triumph.driver at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net; wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 

what is this code?

 

 



 

On Wednesday, June 26, 2019, 01:54:12 PM PDT, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Chuck,

Much easier finding a mechanic in 1974, if you tried that today you would get a technician and he would be asking you where the OBDII reader plug was.

Bill

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chuck White
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 3:48 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 

We did likewise in our 1967 TR4A.  Drove from Columbus, OH to Stowe, VT and back in 1974.  Sir Lucas struck on the Pennsylvania Turnpike in a driving rainstorm.  No lights or wipers! Luckily, there was a mechanic at the next exit who still worked on cars!

 

Cheers,

Chuck

 

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Cochran, David L
Sent: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 2:11 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] my son just got married

 

My wife and used my TR6 to leave our wedding with cans attached to the back and  writing on the windshield etc. Fond memories! David

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > on behalf of dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >
Date: Wednesday, June 26, 2019 at 11:50 AM
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> " <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Subject: [TR] my son just got married

 

Thought you folks would like this

 

 

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Thu Jun 27 17:59:35 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:59:35 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....
Message-ID: <334057933.402642.1561679976747@connect.xfinity.com>

TR3 wouldn't start.  Replaced the Pertronix with points, ran fine.  Then found oveheating (non-related). Tried to drain the radiator but the drain plug (within a plug) soldering gave way, so removed the valence and radiator, soldered the drain plug housing back into the radiator, replaced the thermostat and water pump, and reinstalled the valence today (in high humidity, ugh).  Car ran fine and kept appropriate temperature. 


Removing the valence is a PIA.  But not all that bad.  Replaced the lower end radiator hose while I was in there because it was easy. 


By the way, my wife just came by while I was writing this to say that my duck tape was the most amazing thing.  She'd pay a hundred dollars for a roll.  (I don't know yet what brought that on, expect it had something to do with air conditioners, but I hereby induct her into the man's Hall of Fame.)


Tomorrow I'll reconnect the head and blinker light wires.  Then wait for the new radiator drain plug.


Does anyone other than me have problems with these after market radiator drain plugs leaking (drips only) coolant?


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS58667

New Hampshire
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Jun 27 20:03:12 2019
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 02:03:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....
In-Reply-To: <334057933.402642.1561679976747@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <334057933.402642.1561679976747@connect.xfinity.com>
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 but I hereby induct her into the man's Hall of Fame.)


dont you dare teach her the mans prayer.
I'm a?man,?but I can change,?If I have to,?I guess.

frank


    On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 04:59:58 PM PDT, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:  
 
  
TR3 wouldn't start.? Replaced the Pertronix with points, ran fine.? Then found oveheating (non-related). Tried to drain the radiator but the drain plug (within a plug) soldering gave way, so removed the valence and radiator, soldered the drain plug housing back into the radiator, replaced the thermostat and water pump, and reinstalled the valence today (in high humidity, ugh).? Car ran fine and kept appropriate temperature.? 





Removing the valence is a PIA.? But not all that bad.? Replaced the lower end radiator hose while I was in there because it was easy.? 





By the way, my wife just came by while I was writing this to say that my duck tape was the most amazing thing.? She'd pay a hundred dollars for a roll.? (I don't know yet what brought that on, expect it had something to do with air conditioners, but I hereby induct her into the man's Hall of Fame.)





Tomorrow I'll reconnect the head and blinker light wires.? Then wait for the new radiator drain plug.





Does anyone other than me have problems with these after market radiator drain plugs leaking (drips only) coolant?





Terry Smith, '59 TR3A? TS58667


New Hampshire

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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 20:09:18 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:09:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
In-Reply-To: <ACD17B87-D86E-4EFC-95B5-C1AFF0FE0BB1@flash.net>
References: <mailman.10.1561485603.7838.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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British sports cars and TRs in particular made many appearances on Perry
Mason.  One U.S. manufacturer supplied the regulars' cars each season
(sometimes GM, sometimes Ford) so Perry got Caddies & Lincolns and Paul
drove Vettes and TBirds.  Killers, victims and the accused drove other
makes.  If they wanted you to know a character was dubious they put him in
a Healey or a TR.

[image: tr-klink1.JPG]
[image: tr-klink2.JPG]
[image: tr-klink3.JPG]

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:20 AM Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.
>
> Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the
> drive.  BTW, love Bunty?s ride.
>
> Bill B
>
> Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
>
> On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
>
> This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the
> BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.
>
>
>               Joe Mato TR3A, TR6
>
>
> On Tuesday, June 25, 2019, 02:02:31 PM EDT,
> triumphs-request at autox.team.net <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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> Message: 1
> Date: Mon, 24 Jun 2019 16:43:35 -0600
> From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] GT6 review
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> Fun.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxpaBCuB6o
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Thu Jun 27 20:09:51 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 22:09:51 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....
In-Reply-To: <586957810.58722.1561687392633@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <334057933.402642.1561679976747@connect.xfinity.com>
 <586957810.58722.1561687392633@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1458568289.404208.1561687794286@connect.xfinity.com>

NOOOOOO!  Change is bad!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!



> On June 27, 2019 at 10:03 PM Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
>      
>     but I hereby induct her into the man's Hall of Fame.)
> 
> 
>     dont you dare teach her the mans prayer.
> 
>     I'm a man, 
>     but I can change, 
>     If I have to, 
>     I guess.
> 
>     frank
> 
> 
> 
>     On Thursday, June 27, 2019, 04:59:58 PM PDT, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     TR3 wouldn't start.  Replaced the Pertronix with points, ran fine.  Then found oveheating (non-related). Tried to drain the radiator but the drain plug (within a plug) soldering gave way, so removed the valence and radiator, soldered the drain plug housing back into the radiator, replaced the thermostat and water pump, and reinstalled the valence today (in high humidity, ugh).  Car ran fine and kept appropriate temperature. 
> 
> 
>     Removing the valence is a PIA.  But not all that bad.  Replaced the lower end radiator hose while I was in there because it was easy. 
> 
> 
>     By the way, my wife just came by while I was writing this to say that my duck tape was the most amazing thing.  She'd pay a hundred dollars for a roll.  (I don't know yet what brought that on, expect it had something to do with air conditioners, but I hereby induct her into the man's Hall of Fame.)
> 
> 
>     Tomorrow I'll reconnect the head and blinker light wires.  Then wait for the new radiator drain plug.
> 
> 
>     Does anyone other than me have problems with these after market radiator drain plugs leaking (drips only) coolant?
> 
> 
>     Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS58667
> 
>     New Hampshire
> 
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Thu Jun 27 20:32:36 2019
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 19:32:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....
In-Reply-To: <334057933.402642.1561679976747@connect.xfinity.com>
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If you are talking about the original style TR3 petcock, yes. I had a new one that leaked (Moss Motors? response; ?they all do?). Took it apart and polished the parts. Put it back together and it didn?t leak, still not leaking after a few years. I don?t remember what I used, may have just been polishing compound. I suppose 2500 grit sandpaper would also work.

 

Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
Sent: Thursday, June 27, 2019 5:00 PM
To: triumphs
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....

 

 

Does anyone other than me have problems with these after market radiator drain plugs leaking (drips only) coolant?

 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS58667

New Hampshire

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Jun 27 22:11:15 2019
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 21:11:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bECTUdvKXc+2L3oXCZbDk9iU8p=bJw5=rAKWNGJ4WGkfw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.10.1561485603.7838.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <929153276.149555.1561544377607@mail.yahoo.com>
 <ACD17B87-D86E-4EFC-95B5-C1AFF0FE0BB1@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <1b1b4a71-382c-e330-ef3f-de1c74a99db5@gmail.com>

Don't forget that Holly Robinson Peete's personal TR3 showed up 
frequently in 21 Jump Street.

On 6/27/19 7:09 PM, Geo Hahn wrote:
> British sports cars and TRs in particular made many appearances on 
> Perry Mason.?? One U.S. manufacturer supplied the regulars' cars each 
> season (sometimes GM, sometimes Ford) so Perry got Caddies & Lincolns 
> and Paul drove Vettes and TBirds.?? Killers, victims and the accused 
> drove other makes.? If they wanted you to know a character was dubious 
> they put him in a Healey or a TR.
>
> tr-klink1.JPG
> tr-klink2.JPG
> tr-klink3.JPG
>
> On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:20 AM Wbeech at flash.net 
> <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net> <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net>> 
> wrote:
>
>     Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4
>     hardtop.
>
>     Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on
>     the drive.?? BTW, love Bunty???s ride. ?
>
>     Bill B
>

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jun 28 05:29:23 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 11:29:23 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
References: <1062258336.126388.1561721363375.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1062258336.126388.1561721363375@mail.yahoo.com>

 Well, maybe.? In one episode Napoleon Solo drive a TR4 and Maxwell Smart is well known for his Sunbeam Tiger.? And, of course, James Bond has diven a series of Aston Martins and a Triumph Stag.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 27, 2019 9:09 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs On TV

British sports cars and TRs in particular made many appearances on Perry Mason.? One U.S. manufacturer supplied the regulars' cars each season (sometimes GM, sometimes Ford) so Perry got Caddies & Lincolns and Paul drove Vettes and TBirds.? Killers, victims and the accused drove other makes.? If they wanted you to know a character was dubious they put him in a Healey or a TR.


On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:20 AM Wbeech at flash.net <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.
Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive.? BTW, love Bunty?s ride. ?
Bill B

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X
On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? Joe Mato TR3A, TR6 

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Fun.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=snxpaBCuB6o


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jun 28 05:44:35 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 11:44:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....
References: <32658630.118905.1561722275754.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <32658630.118905.1561722275754@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes, I had one for the side of the block that leaked.? I soldered it up.? I figured I could treat is like a plug.

This design requires tight tolerances.? The two parts need to mate to each other very closely.? I'll bet, in the day, they lapped them together with valve lapping compound to get the matching they required.? The Pacific Rim parts skip that step.

Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jun 27, 2019 6:59 pm
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....

 TR3 wouldn't start.? Replaced the Pertronix with points, ran fine.? Then found oveheating (non-related). Tried to drain the radiator but the drain plug (within a plug) soldering gave way, so removed the valence and radiator, soldered the drain plug housing back into the radiator, replaced the thermostat and water pump, and reinstalled the valence today (in high humidity, ugh).? Car ran fine and kept appropriate temperature.? 

Removing the valence is a PIA.? But not all that bad.? Replaced the lower end radiator hose while I was in there because it was easy.? 

By the way, my wife just came by while I was writing this to say that my duck tape was the most amazing thing.? She'd pay a hundred dollars for a roll.? (I don't know yet what brought that on, expect it had something to do with air conditioners, but I hereby induct her into the man's Hall of Fame.)

Tomorrow I'll reconnect the head and blinker light wires.? Then wait for the new radiator drain plug.

Does anyone other than me have problems with these after market radiator drain plugs leaking (drips only) coolant?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A? TS58667
New Hampshire
 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 06:15:51 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 08:15:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR8 Question
Message-ID: <04d201d52dab$3a177110$ae465330$@gmail.com>

Does anyone have a list or link to a source of the TR8 VIN production
ranges.  A friend of mine is selling his 1981 TR8 and he says it is one of
the last ones built.  It has very low orig miles (15K) but has been sitting
for a while with four flat tires.  Hasn't run in 4 years.   Any idea on TR8
recent values?  I did check Hagerty.  Would love to find source for
production VIN range to see if it is one of the last USA TR8s.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL 


From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Jun 28 08:50:09 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 09:50:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Hmmmmm.....
In-Reply-To: <32658630.118905.1561722275754@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <32658630.118905.1561722275754.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <32658630.118905.1561722275754@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3B125FD9B6DD45ADAF30CAD181424A9E@LAPTOPM3GPCDH8>

> This design requires tight tolerances.  The two parts need to 
> mate to each other very closely.  I'll bet, in the day, they 
> lapped them together with valve lapping compound to get the 
> matching they required.  The Pacific Rim parts skip that step.

Shouldn't be too hard to disassemble and do it yourself, though.  I've done
it to original taps several times, although I usually use something finer
than valve lapping compound (body rubbing compound will do for a touch-up).

-- Randall  


From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Fri Jun 28 10:51:40 2019
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 17:51:40 +0100
Subject: [TR] TR8 Question
In-Reply-To: <04d201d52dab$3a177110$ae465330$@gmail.com>
References: <04d201d52dab$3a177110$ae465330$@gmail.com>
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BMIHT at Gaydon in the UK could tell you as they have all the original production records which are used to provide Heritage Certificates. Not sure if this info would be provided foc as they do little if anything for zero cost. Look them up on Google under their new name of British Motor Museum.

Jonmac

Remember, it?s rarely a good idea to squat, unless you?ve already removed your spurs!

> On 28 Jun 2019, at 13:15, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have a list or link to a source of the TR8 VIN production
> ranges.  A friend of mine is selling his 1981 TR8 and he says it is one of
> the last ones built.  It has very low orig miles (15K) but has been sitting
> for a while with four flat tires.  Hasn't run in 4 years.   Any idea on TR8
> recent values?  I did check Hagerty.  Would love to find source for
> production VIN range to see if it is one of the last USA TR8s.
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL 
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From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Fri Jun 28 12:12:03 2019
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:12:03 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 12, Issue 145
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As others have all said, they all leak. Albert at TRF said they would probably stop carrying them because they haven't been able to find a supplier who can produce them reliably. I tried lapping mine with toothpaste (read it somewhere). I took it apart and gooped up the mating tapered parts, them together and rotated the heck out of it. I did this several times, but in the end, I couldn't get it to completely seal. Maybe I should have tried several levels of grit (coarser to finer). In the end, I ended up putting in a modern drain valve.

Joel Justin...


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From HDRider570 at att.net  Fri Jun 28 12:43:26 2019
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 11:43:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] ref; TR8 Question
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Try this web site.


http://www.team.net/TR8/registry/


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jun 28 16:53:52 2019
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:53:52 -0400
Subject: [TR] ref; TR8 Question
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This is perfect. Thank you!! Jim

Sent from my iPhone

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> 
> Try this web site.
> 
> 
> http://www.team.net/TR8/registry/
> 
> 
> Edward Hamer
> 
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From greg at gelhar.com  Fri Jun 28 17:17:25 2019
From: greg at gelhar.com (Greg Gelhar)
Date: Fri, 28 Jun 2019 18:17:25 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumphs On TV
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I still remember watching ?Leave it to Beaver? (season 5, Episode 34) when I was young and seeing the TR3 that Wally?s parents were worried would ruin his young life.

 

Greg G.

Osseo, MN

 

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British sports cars and TRs in particular made many appearances on Perry Mason.  One U.S. manufacturer supplied the regulars' cars each season (sometimes GM, sometimes Ford) so Perry got Caddies & Lincolns and Paul drove Vettes and TBirds.  Killers, victims and the accused drove other makes.  If they wanted you to know a character was dubious they put him in a Healey or a TR.

 







 

On Wed, Jun 26, 2019 at 6:20 AM Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>  <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote:

Watching Perry Mason last night and the killer drove a white TR4 hardtop.

 

Watching Father Brown, set in 1953, and saw a very nice TR3A on the drive.  BTW, love Bunty?s ride.  

 

Bill B

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X


On Jun 26, 2019, at 5:19 AM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net <mailto:joemato at sbcglobal.net> > wrote:

This was taken down the road from me, beautiful countryside! We watch the BBC show Endeavor which has a parade of LBC's. Last show had an AH3000.

                                                                                                                                                                    Joe Mato TR3A, TR6

 

 

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From tr6.guy at verizon.net  Sat Jun 29 08:35:44 2019
From: tr6.guy at verizon.net (Gary Klein)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 10:35:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] Driving from Maryland to Texas for the VTR Nationals
Message-ID: <096301d52e87$efa0e7a0$cee2b6e0$@verizon.net>

Everyone,

 

I'm considering a drive from central MD to Dripping Springs TX in October,
and would like to form a caravan of any interested owners going to the
nationals.  I'm thinking safety in numbers and whether you're driving or
trailering your car, perhaps we can meet up and head down together.

 

I'm thinking of leaving central MD, heading west to I-81 South, then driving
towards Knoxville, TN and picking up I-40.  Then I'd follow I-40 past
Nashville, past Memphis, to Little Rock, AK, where I'll pick up I-30.
Lastly, follow I-30 to Dallas then I-35 south to Austin then on to Dripping
Springs.  According to Google, for me, it's about 1,600 miles one way.

 

I'm in the planning stages.  Any comments wrt the route, road conditions,
things not to miss and things to avoid are welcome.  If interested, contact
me off list as I'm on the Digest.

 

Cheers,

 

Gary Klein

Severn, MD

tr6.guy at verizon.net <mailto:tr6.guy at verizon.net> 

 

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Sat Jun 29 08:57:01 2019
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 09:57:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Driving from Maryland to Texas for the VTR Nationals
In-Reply-To: <096301d52e87$efa0e7a0$cee2b6e0$@verizon.net>
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You picked the perfect route, driven it many times from Seguin TX to 
Camden DE? and back.? A bit hilly, but great scenery. You definitely do 
not want to do I95 to I10, although its flat all the way. Its very busy 
and I 10 is not in that good of shape, especially in Louisiana . Spend a 
night in Nashville or Knoxville, great restaurants.

Patrick

71 Stag

74 Spitfire

 ?On 6/29/2019 9:35 AM, Gary Klein wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>
> I?m considering a drive from central MD to Dripping Springs TX in 
> October, and would like to form a caravan of any interested owners 
> going to the nationals.? I?m thinking safety in numbers and whether 
> you?re driving or trailering your car, perhaps we can meet up and head 
> down together.
>
> I?m thinking of leaving central MD, heading west to I-81 South, then 
> driving towards Knoxville, TN and picking up I-40. Then I?d follow 
> I-40 past Nashville, past Memphis, to Little Rock, AK, where I?ll pick 
> up I-30.? Lastly, follow I-30 to Dallas then I-35 south to Austin then 
> on to Dripping Springs.? According to Google, for me, it?s about 1,600 
> miles one way.
>
> I?m in the planning stages.? Any comments wrt the route, road 
> conditions, things not to miss and things to avoid are welcome.? If 
> interested, contact me off list as I?m on the Digest.
>
> Cheers,
>
> Gary Klein
>
> Severn, MD
>
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sat Jun 29 10:08:46 2019
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 12:08:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] Stowe, Vt. In September
Message-ID: <7375CB5F-7DBA-4943-882E-307D6E73BE15@fuse.net>


I will be traveling back from Stowe, Vt. To Cincinnati in September. Is anyone from close to Cincinnati or traveling home through Cincinnati also going to the British Car show in Stowe Vt.? I haven?t decided on a specific route back home yet. The trip to Stowe is already planned as I am traveling to northern Ohio to meet up with some Triumph friends and will drive to Watkins Glen first, then on to Stowe with a side trip to Mount Washington. It?s always more fun to travel in a group.
Thanks,
Dave Connitt 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jun 29 10:25:38 2019
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 16:25:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Driving from Maryland to Texas for the VTR Nationals
References: <945497042.441153.1561825538272.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <945497042.441153.1561825538272@mail.yahoo.com>

 Not to miss?? Well, there's Dollyworld.? You might consider a detour to the Tail of the Dragon.? I-40 from Asheville to Knoxville is scenic but heavily traveled and I was run off the road by a semi changing lanes.? Travel at your own risk.

Coming from St. Louis, I will be driving I-44 to Vinita, OK and 69 into Texas.? I plan on giving Dallas a wide berth.? The traffic there is epic.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Subject: Re: [TR] Driving from Maryland to Texas for the VTR Nationals

  You picked the perfect route, driven it many times from Seguin TX to Camden DE? and back.? A bit hilly, but great scenery. You definitely do not want to do I95 to I10, although its flat all the way. Its very busy and I 10 is not in that good of shape,  especially in Louisiana . Spend a night in Nashville or Knoxville, great restaurants.?? 
  Patrick 71 Stag 74 Spitfire
  ?On 6/29/2019 9:35 AM, Gary Klein wrote:
  
 &lt;!-- #yiv3068628239 _filtered #yiv3068628239 {font-family:"Cambria Math";panose-1:2 4 5 3 5 4 6 3 2 4;} _filtered #yiv3068628239 {font-family:Calibri;panose-1:2 15 5 2 2 2 4 3 2 4;} #yiv3068628239 #yiv3068628239 p.yiv3068628239MsoNormal, #yiv3068628239 li.yiv3068628239MsoNormal, #yiv3068628239 div.yiv3068628239MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv3068628239 a:link, #yiv3068628239 span.yiv3068628239MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3068628239 a:visited, #yiv3068628239 span.yiv3068628239MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3068628239 span.yiv3068628239EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Arial", sans-serif;color:black;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} #yiv3068628239 .yiv3068628239MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered #yiv3068628239 {margin:1.0in 1.0in 1.0in 1.0in;} #yiv3068628239 div.yiv3068628239WordSection1 {} --&gt;  Everyone,  ? I?m considering a drive from central MD to Dripping Springs TX in October, and would like to form a caravan of any interested owners going to the nationals.? I?m thinking safety in numbers and whether you?re driving or trailering your car, perhaps we can meet up and head down together.  ? I?m thinking of leaving central MD, heading west to I-81 South, then driving towards Knoxville, TN and picking up I-40.? Then I?d follow I-40 past Nashville, past Memphis, to Little Rock, AK, where I?ll pick up I-30.? Lastly, follow I-30 to Dallas then I-35 south to Austin then on to Dripping Springs.? According to Google, for me, it?s about 1,600 miles one way.  ? I?m in the planning stages.? Any comments wrt the route, road conditions, things not to miss and things to avoid are welcome.? If interested, contact me off list as I?m on the Digest.  ? Cheers,  ? Gary Klein Severn, MD tr6.guy at verizon.net  ?  
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Jun 29 11:01:21 2019
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 12:01:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] Driving from Maryland to Texas for the VTR Nationals
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Gary,
I?m right on I-30 in Texarkana but I plan to go a few days early and attend the US Vintage Racing Championships at the Circuit of the Americas in Austin.  Google says it is 35 minutes from Dripping Springs.   

Maybe we get together for the return trip?

Bill B
TR3A/TS30800L

Sent from my DynaTAC 8000X

On Jun 29, 2019, at 9:57 AM, Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com> wrote:

You picked the perfect route, driven it many times from Seguin TX to Camden DE  and back.  A bit hilly, but great scenery. You definitely do not want to do I95 to I10, although its flat all the way. Its very busy and I 10 is not in that good of shape, especially in Louisiana . Spend a night in Nashville or Knoxville, great restaurants.   

Patrick

71 Stag

74 Spitfire

>  On 6/29/2019 9:35 AM, Gary Klein wrote:
> Everyone,
>  
> I?m considering a drive from central MD to Dripping Springs TX in October, and would like to form a caravan of any interested owners going to the nationals.  I?m thinking safety in numbers and whether you?re driving or trailering your car, perhaps we can meet up and head down together.
>  
> I?m thinking of leaving central MD, heading west to I-81 South, then driving towards Knoxville, TN and picking up I-40.  Then I?d follow I-40 past Nashville, past Memphis, to Little Rock, AK, where I?ll pick up I-30.  Lastly, follow I-30 to Dallas then I-35 south to Austin then on to Dripping Springs.  According to Google, for me, it?s about 1,600 miles one way.
>  
> I?m in the planning stages.  Any comments wrt the route, road conditions, things not to miss and things to avoid are welcome.  If interested, contact me off list as I?m on the Digest.
>  
> Cheers,
>  
> Gary Klein
> Severn, MD
> tr6.guy at verizon.net
>  
> 
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sat Jun 29 17:02:47 2019
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 19:02:47 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience histories....
Message-ID: <1230462504.444549.1561849368484@connect.xfinity.com>

...but, for the sake of discussion. 


I've swapped out the electronic ignition for the old points set up.  First time on start up, the engine overheated.  On checking timing with a timing light, I've found the timing to be way too retarded.  I advanced the vacuum knob as far as it would go without hitting my mark.  I've since used the book process for static timing, pivoting the dizzy at TDC to where the points just begin to open.  I've painted the TDC hole on the pulley (which is accurate), and painted 1/4 inch advance, then adjusted the vacuum advance to 4 degrees advance.  I haven't checked if the heating persists.  I kinda think this will solve the problem, but I must confess, as ever, I was an English major and every time I think I've solved something, ...well, I can only be grateful I am a humble man.  ...Or at least I would be if I weren't so awesome.


Question is, though, what the heck?  Swapping electronic ignition for points can cause such a huge timing differential?  ...Or am I all-muddled?????


Terry Smith, '59 TR3A

New Hampshire 
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Jun 29 17:59:41 2019
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 18:59:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience
 histories....
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> Question is, though, what the heck?  Swapping electronic 
> ignition for points can cause such a huge timing 
> differential? 

Yes, I found the same thing.  Installing electronic ignition changed the
timing significantly.  PITA when you have to switch back to points on the
side of the road.

-- Randall  


From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Jun 29 21:38:19 2019
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 22:38:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience
 histories....
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Same experience here, the the Pertronix will change the timing
significantly, by the side of the road I would probably use the simple
"advance to the point where you achieve highest idle speed then retard it
back "a squosh"

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 6:59 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> > Question is, though, what the heck?  Swapping electronic
> > ignition for points can cause such a huge timing
> > differential?
>
> Yes, I found the same thing.  Installing electronic ignition changed the
> timing significantly.  PITA when you have to switch back to points on the
> side of the road.
>
> -- Randall
>
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sat Jun 29 21:47:32 2019
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sat, 29 Jun 2019 21:47:32 -0600
Subject: [TR] Driving from Maryland to Texas for the VTR Nationals
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On 6/29/2019 8:35 AM, Gary Klein wrote:
>
> Everyone,
>
> I?m considering a drive from central MD to Dripping Springs TX in 
> October, and would like to form a caravan of any interested owners 
> going to the nationals.? I?m thinking safety in numbers and whether 
> you?re driving or trailering your car, perhaps we can meet up and head 
> down together.
>
Things to avoid:? It wouldn't affect you, but, for those coming from the 
west, stay away from I-20 near Colorado City.? There isn't a word for 
what it is.? It's not a speed trap, per se.? They aren't looking for 
speeders.? They target out-of-state cars doing the speed limit, and then 
ticket them for speeding, on the presumption that they'll pay the ticket 
rather than come back for court.? And, coming back for court does little 
good, since they don't honor requests for discovery. (BTDT). 15 mph over 
translates, with court costs, to $400-600.

Let's put it this way--the north side of Colorado City is a shithole, 
abandoned buildings going to ruin, etc., but the courthouse is like a 
ruby in a cowflop.? It and its grounds are immaculate, and they get the 
money to keep it that way from out-of-staters like you and me.

It's quicker, anyway, to go south on US 87 at Big Springs to San Angelo, 
and then take one of the feeder roads to Austin, rather than go on I-20 
to I-35 South.


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Jun 29 22:54:29 2019
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 00:54:29 -0400
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience
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close.... best timing (ol' timer way)

adjust your idle timing to achieve the highest possible manifold vacuum 
while re-adjusting idle to obtain proper rpm

ptegler



On 6/29/2019 11:38 PM, Greg Lemon wrote:

> Same experience here, the the Pertronix will change the timing 
> significantly, by the side of the road I would probably use the simple 
> "advance to the point where you achieve highest idle speed then retard 
> it back "a squosh"
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Sat, Jun 29, 2019, 6:59 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com 
> <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>     > Question is, though, what the heck??? Swapping electronic
>     > ignition for points can cause such a huge timing
>     > differential?
>
>     Yes, I found the same thing.?? Installing electronic ignition
>     changed the
>     timing significantly.?? PITA when you have to switch back to points
>     on the
>     side of the road.
>
>     -- Randall
>
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sun Jun 30 10:37:50 2019
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 09:37:50 -0700
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience
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On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 5:00 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:


> ...Installing electronic ignition changed the
> timing significantly.  PITA when you have to switch back to points on the
> side of the road....


Which is why I carry a complete 2nd distributor, one with electronic and
one with points.  Sometimes it is just easier to swap everything and find
the problem when you get home.

Geo
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jun 30 14:53:29 2019
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 30 Jun 2019 15:53:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience
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+1

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Geo Hahn
Sent: Sunday, June 30, 2019 11:38 AM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Disclaimer: I AM checking The Triump Experience histories....

 

 

 

On Sat, Jun 29, 2019 at 5:00 PM Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com <mailto:tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > wrote:

 

...Installing electronic ignition changed the
timing significantly.  PITA when you have to switch back to points on the
side of the road....

 

Which is why I carry a complete 2nd distributor, one with electronic and one with points.  Sometimes it is just easier to swap everything and find the problem when you get home.

 

Geo

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From jdemuth at icloud.com  Thu Jun 27 10:52:27 2019
From: jdemuth at icloud.com (Joe DeMuth)
Date: Thu, 27 Jun 2019 11:52:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] Weber Carb on a TR6
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Although this is not strictly a Triumph question, I hope that someone on the list has some insight as what is going on with one of the Webers I have installed on my TR6. They are 23/36 DGV?s, manual choke. In the process of tuning and balancing I found that when the flow meter is placed over the rear carb the engine idle increases dramatically. When placed over the front carb, the idle remains nearly the same. If I use my hand to restrict air intake on the rear, the engine behaves the same way, idle increases. This would seem to indicate that the rear is running lean, as compared to the front, but they are both equipped with the same jets and are adjusted identically.

Any ideas? Could it be a carb problem or is there something going on internally with the engine? All the plugs look identical, Clean, no carbon.