From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb  1 01:14:37 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 03:14:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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typing in high school ancient mechanical typewriters...... final exam 
end of the year ...teacher throws towels over everyone typewriter and hands!
I had two mistakes on the full page.... scored 76 word a minute.

Then never touched a typewriter or keyboard for 5 years. Computers in 
the very late 70's and very early 80s, made me realize I'd lost all that 
typing skill.

Over the last 40 years I've authored millions of lines of code 
programming factory robotics, video, automated testing, even an 
co-authored a complete C.A.S.E. environment
for clean room testing hybrid micro circuits, and now A.I. and machine 
learning on monster massively parallel? HPC systems.

To this day if? 5 fingers on both hands are used when I type I'd be 
surprised. 4 fingers is normal

ptegler

On 2/1/2020 1:24 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> I have you beat, have been writing as part of my job and hobbies for 
> over 30 years.? I use four fingers.? If I don't think about it I 
> realize sometimes I am doing it from muscle memory and not looking, if 
> I start to think about it the magic goes away and I have to look.? 
> Still make way too many mistakes.? Preparing papers for college with a 
> typewriter was pretty painful, I tell the kids these stories, but they 
> just roll their eyes.
>
> I also go one finger at a time on my phone, can't do the two fingered 
> thing like the kids.? Interestingly, I just noticed, I type with my 
> right hand on my phone, even though I am very left dominent with most 
> everything else I do.
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 6:56 PM Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com 
> <mailto:pbaize at satx.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>     I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves
>     teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for
>     over 30 years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.
>
>     Patrick
>
>
>     On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>>     I never took a typing class, I am self taught.? I remember
>>     staying up all night typing a report for class in highschool.?
>>     When I started working there was no need for an engineer to type.
>>     Enter the desk-top computer? Now I spend most of my time staring
>>     at a screen typing on a keyboard. Who'd a thunk?
>>
>>     Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: jpaynepbr <jpaynepbr at cox.net> <mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net>
>>     To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>     <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>     Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
>>     Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>>
>>     In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and
>>     be "college bound", you had to take a typing class.? It was Sr.
>>     year and it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice
>>     versa.
>>
>>     If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was
>>     still mandatory.
>>
>>     Same teacher taught both classes.? One of the most bitter and
>>     angry people I have ever met.
>>
>>     The though of? "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid,
>>     humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.? I guess if
>>     you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers,
>>     many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would
>>     end up like that too.
>>
>>     Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.
>>
>>     My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd
>>     grade post 2010.
>>
>>     Time and technology change everything.
>>
>>     I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the
>>     "autocorrect", that would be something.
>>
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
>>     TeriAnn J. Wakeman
>>     Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
>>     To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>>     Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>>
>>     On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
>>     > Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of
>>     girls in
>>     > that class and I was a horny 13 yo.? But my 50 yo typing muscle
>>     memory
>>     > will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
>>     >
>>     > Busted.
>>     >
>>     > Bud
>>
>>     I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be
>>     pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview
>>     for a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost
>>     always was asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about
>>     a page ever 2 hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was
>>     applying for. I knew a woman with a Stanford masters in physics
>>     who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.
>>
>>     During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded
>>     typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake
>>     homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only on
>>     emails. That is because my mailer produces strange characters
>>     when I double space a sentence. The books I have authored are all
>>     double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have forced me
>>     to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.
>>
>>     TeriAnn
>>
>>
>>     **triumphs at autox.team.net  <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  **
>>
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sat Feb  1 03:25:49 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 10:25:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] Free Spitfire Mk III FDU8866L) BMIHT Certificate
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Whether it?s FDU or not? If my memory serves correctly, in August 67 we were building the mk3 Spitfire for Canada and the US to meet the newly introduced safety and emission specs effective 1 Jan 1968. Consequently, the NA spec commission number became FDU while other markets stayed with FD. Greatly doubt the BMIHT Cert is wrong as they use original microfilmed production tallies and copies of the original shipping invoice.

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

> On 31 Jan 2020, at 22:35, Kevin Beam <kmbeam at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> The certificate reads in part:
> 1. Make & Model TRIUMPH SPITFIRE MARK III
> 2. Car/Chassis Number FDU/8866-L (After a little research, I believe it should be FD/8866-L, but I am NOT an expert.)
> 3. Engine Number FE/8926-E
> 4. Body Number 8739
> 6. Colour a) exterior Conifer
>                  b) trim Black
>                  c) hood (top) Black
> 7. Date of Build 1 August 1967
> 9. Destination (Dealer) Mid West Triumph Distributors, Chicago
> 14. (Certificate) Date of Issue 30th April 2004 (Which is suddenly a loonnngggg time ago.)
>  
> I reordered the certificate, received the correct certificate, and forgot if I paid for the second or not.  (Oxford, am I a comma momma?)
>  
> Our car?s commission number is FDU8xxxxL
> Damson, Black, Black
> Built in 1970
>  
> Best
> --
> Kevin
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Feb  1 07:19:55 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 09:19:55 -0500
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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I did take typing in HS. It really helped me in the Army. I became a RTT 
operator and could really push those 60 CPS teletype machines.

Just like learning Morse Code, once you learn it it is hard to program 
out of your brain.

Typed all my life as a software engineer.

Maybe I will be put 6' under with a keyboard.

Bob

On 1/31/20 10:03 PM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> I pretty much use the orthodox method but I'm no touch typist.? Turn 
> the lights out and it gets ugly.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com>
> To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Fri, Jan 31, 2020 6:58 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
> OH Ya, missed 2,? left pinky for shift and right thumb for space bar. 
> haha , so 5.
> Patrick
> On 1/31/2020 6:56 PM, Patrick Baize wrote:
> I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves 
> teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for over 30 
> years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.
> Patrick
>
> On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> I never took a typing class, I am self taught.? I remember staying up 
> all night typing a report for class in highschool.? When I started 
> working there was no need for an engineer to type. Enter the desk-top 
> computer.? Now I spend most of my time staring at a screen typing on a 
> keyboard. Who'd a thunk?
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: jpaynepbr <jpaynepbr at cox.net>
> To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs 
> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
> In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and be 
> "college bound", you had to take a typing class.? It was Sr. year and 
> it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice versa.
>
> If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was still 
> mandatory.
>
> Same teacher taught both classes.? One of the most bitter and angry 
> people I have ever met.
>
> The though of? "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid, humorless 60 
> year old woman still makes me wonder.? I guess if you had to manage 
> the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers, many of whom were headed 
> nowhere, after a few years, you would end up like that too.
>
> Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.
>
> My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd grade 
> post 2010.
>
> Time and technology change everything.
>
> I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the "autocorrect", 
> that would be something.
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TeriAnn 
> J. Wakeman
> Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>
> On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> > Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of girls in
> > that class and I was a horny 13 yo.? But my 50 yo typing muscle memory
> > will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
> >
> > Busted.
> >
> > Bud
>
> I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be 
> pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview for 
> a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost always was 
> asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about a page ever 2 
> hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was applying for. I knew 
> a woman with a Stanford masters in physics who in the mid 60s worked 
> as a tech group secretary.
>
> During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded typing 
> for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake homemade lasagna. I 
> single space between sentences only on emails. That is because my 
> mailer produces strange characters when I double space a sentence. The 
> books I have authored are all double spaced between sentences and my 
> reviewers have forced me to use oxford comas. They are not used in 
> technical papers.
>
> TeriAnn
>
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Feb  1 08:42:07 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 07:42:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] needs repaired
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> I did take typing in HS. It really helped me in the Army. I 
> became a RTT operator and could really push those 60 CPS 
> teletype machines.

I'd forgotten all about that: With the slower teletype machines (10 CPS on a
good day), to type at all fast, you had to learn to keep pressure on each
key until it went down.  Rather than jamming (like a regular typewriter),
the old ASR/KSR 33 teletypes just wouldn't let the key go down.

For me, typing was a required subject in both 7th & 8th grade.  Bunch of
worn out old mechanical Underwood typewriters, which would insert extra
spaces at random.  Kind of a Catch-22, extra spaces counted as errors, but
you couldn't tell when it inserted a space except by watching what you
typed, which also counted as an error.  But the classroom had two Royals,
that weren't as badly worn out (probably donated later), so I learned to
rush to typing class so I could grab one of the good typewriters.  Class was
held in the basement under a church, with drain pipes overhead that would
leak when they were used.  So, you also had to be careful to sit away from
the leaks; otherwise you'd hear a toilet flush and then get a drop of
"water" on your head.  Good times at the hands of the public school system!

I didn't use it much until 12th grade, when I took a course in computer
programming; but I've been a fair touch typist ever since.  No idea how many
lines of code I've typed (does fixing someone else's code count?), but it's
a bunch.

-- Randall


From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb  1 08:51:18 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 10:51:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Re:  needs repaired
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References: <54e369ac-0faf-ce93-e994-bcca4c8117c7@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <42fefceb-7d0a-9733-8dd8-e93e092b5b49@verizon.net>


typing in high school ancient mechanical typewriters...... final exam 
end of the year ...teacher throws towels over everyone typewriter and hands!
I had two mistakes on the full page.... scored 76 word a minute.

Then never touched a typewriter or keyboard for 5 years. Computers in 
the very late 70's and very early 80s, made me realize I'd lost all that 
typing skill.

Over the last 40 years I've authored millions of lines of code 
programming factory roboitcs, video, automated testing, even an 
co-authored a complete C.A.S.E. environment
for clean room testing hybrid micro circuits.

To this day if? 5 fingers on b

On 2/1/2020 1:24 AM, Greg Lemon wrote:
> Patrick,
>
> I have you beat, have been writing as part of my job and hobbies for 
> over 30 years.? I use four fingers. If I don't think about it I 
> realize sometimes I am doing it from muscle memory and not looking, if 
> I start to think about it the magic goes away and I have to look.? 
> Still make way too many mistakes.? Preparing papers for college with a 
> typewriter was pretty painful, I tell the kids these stories, but they 
> just roll their eyes.
>
> I also go one finger at a time on my phone, can't do the two fingered 
> thing like the kids. Interestingly, I just noticed, I type with my 
> right hand on my phone, even though I am very left dominent with most 
> everything else I do.
>
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
>
> On Fri, Jan 31, 2020, 6:56 PM Patrick Baize <pbaize at satx.rr.com 
> <mailto:pbaize at satx.rr.com>> wrote:
>
>     I never took typing in school. Later I tried to use "Mavis Beaves
>     teaches typing", didn't work. I have been writing software for
>     over 30 years, I use 3 fingers, 1 on left hand, 2 on the right.
>
>     Patrick
>
>
>     On 1/31/2020 6:27 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>>     I never took a typing class, I am self taught.? I remember
>>     staying up all night typing a report for class in highschool.?
>>     When I started working there was no need for an engineer to
>>     type.? Enter the desk-top computer? Now I spend most of my time
>>     staring at a screen typing on a keyboard.? Who'd a thunk?
>>
>>     Dave
>>
>>
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: jpaynepbr <jpaynepbr at cox.net> <mailto:jpaynepbr at cox.net>
>>     To: 'TeriAnn J. Wakeman' <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
>>     <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>     <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>     Sent: Thu, Jan 30, 2020 9:07 pm
>>     Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>>
>>     In 1990, when I graduated HS, if you were going to graduate and
>>     be "college bound", you had to take a typing class.? It was Sr.
>>     year and it was "Health" one semester, "Typing" the next or vice
>>     versa.
>>
>>     If you were "Vo-Tech" typing was an option, but "Health" was
>>     still mandatory.
>>
>>     Same teacher taught both classes.? One of the most bitter and
>>     angry people I have ever met.
>>
>>     The though of? "Health" class taught by an angry, frigid,
>>     humorless 60 year old woman still makes me wonder.? I guess if
>>     you had to manage the subject matter with a bunch of teenagers,
>>     many of whom were headed nowhere, after a few years, you would
>>     end up like that too.
>>
>>     Typing was one of the most valuable skills I ever learned.
>>
>>     My kids all had typing classes in public schools in 1st and 2nd
>>     grade post 2010.
>>
>>     Time and technology change everything.
>>
>>     I wish I could learn to type on a phone and manage the
>>     "autocorrect", that would be something.
>>
>>
>>     -----Original Message-----
>>     From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
>>     TeriAnn J. Wakeman
>>     Sent: Thursday, January 30, 2020 6:38 PM
>>     To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>>     Subject: Re: [TR] needs repaired
>>
>>     On 1/30/20 6:23 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
>>     > Exactly, I took typing in eighth grade because there lots of
>>     girls in
>>     > that class and I was a horny 13 yo.? But my 50 yo typing muscle
>>     memory
>>     > will always space twice after a period. Can???t help it.
>>     >
>>     > Busted.
>>     >
>>     > Bud
>>
>>     I didn't take typing in high school because I didn't want to be
>>     pigeonholed as a secretary. In early years I went in to interview
>>     for a technical position with a degree in electronics & almost
>>     always was asked what my typing speed was. When I mentioned about
>>     a page ever 2 hours or so, I got interviewed for the job I was
>>     applying for. I knew a woman with a Stanford masters in physics
>>     who in the mid 60s worked as a tech group secretary.
>>
>>     During college when I needed to submit typed papers, I traded
>>     typing for either a homemade apple pie or a ready to bake
>>     homemade lasagna. I single space between sentences only on
>>     emails. That is because my mailer produces strange characters
>>     when I double space a sentence. The books I have authored are all
>>     double spaced between sentences and my reviewers have forced me
>>     to use oxford comas. They are not used in technical papers.
>>
>>     TeriAnn
>>
>>
>>     **triumphs at autox.team.net  <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  **
>>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Feb  1 12:03:31 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 14:03:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR8 FI hose kit
Message-ID: <000001d5d932$4c2a4b10$e47ee130$@gmail.com>

Anyone know if this fuel injector hose kit is correct for 80-81 TR8?  

https://www.ebay.com/itm/1980-1982-Triumph-TR8-3-5L-V8-Fuel-Injector-Repair-
Kit/302441567966

Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL


From nogera at hotmail.com  Sat Feb  1 21:57:02 2020
From: nogera at hotmail.com (Bob Nogueira)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 04:57:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
Message-ID: <SN6PR17MB2223592A9B8B659E817FAB51DF010@SN6PR17MB2223.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>

I don?t have a Triumph , or at least a whole Triumph being a Morgan owner, so forgive the lack of knowledge.
Many years ago I saw a early TR while had a spring loaded first bow for the top.  You would fasten the top to the car with only the rear bows in place the compress the first bow, put it in its place and release it so it tightened up the top .
Was this standard on all TRs? 
I never see a TR with the top up so haven?t been able to check at shows.
Thanks for any responses .
Bob Nogueira 

From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Feb  1 23:10:59 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 00:10:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR17MB2223592A9B8B659E817FAB51DF010@SN6PR17MB2223.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR17MB2223592A9B8B659E817FAB51DF010@SN6PR17MB2223.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <F5A17338-3EE4-408B-ADC5-F9C7023AB0C2@flash.net>

Bob,
I have had six TR3s, never seen a spring on mine or any others.   

The TR bow setup is very similar to your Morgan, which by the way I need bows for my +4.  

Bill
TS30800L
1954 Morgan Plus 4


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Feb 1, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Bob Nogueira <nogera at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 

?I don?t have a Triumph , or at least a whole Triumph being a Morgan owner, so forgive the lack of knowledge.
Many years ago I saw a early TR while had a spring loaded first bow for the top.  You would fasten the top to the car with only the rear bows in place the compress the first bow, put it in its place and release it so it tightened up the top .
Was this standard on all TRs? 
I never see a TR with the top up so haven?t been able to check at shows.
Thanks for any responses .
Bob Nogueira 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Feb  1 23:10:59 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 00:10:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR17MB2223592A9B8B659E817FAB51DF010@SN6PR17MB2223.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
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Message-ID: <F5A17338-3EE4-408B-ADC5-F9C7023AB0C2@flash.net>

Bob,
I have had six TR3s, never seen a spring on mine or any others.   

The TR bow setup is very similar to your Morgan, which by the way I need bows for my +4.  

Bill
TS30800L
1954 Morgan Plus 4


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Feb 1, 2020, at 10:57 PM, Bob Nogueira <nogera at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 

?I don?t have a Triumph , or at least a whole Triumph being a Morgan owner, so forgive the lack of knowledge.
Many years ago I saw a early TR while had a spring loaded first bow for the top.  You would fasten the top to the car with only the rear bows in place the compress the first bow, put it in its place and release it so it tightened up the top .
Was this standard on all TRs? 
I never see a TR with the top up so haven?t been able to check at shows.
Thanks for any responses .
Bob Nogueira 
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sun Feb  2 00:55:19 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 1 Feb 2020 23:55:19 -0800
Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
In-Reply-To: <SN6PR17MB2223592A9B8B659E817FAB51DF010@SN6PR17MB2223.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SN6PR17MB2223592A9B8B659E817FAB51DF010@SN6PR17MB2223.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <F97F7228D0C443209134996A6C020F12@RYPC>

Are you sure it was the front bow? 

There's an old trick for putting the top up in cold weather, when the vinyl
has shrunk.  You disconnect the rear bow from the webbing that normally
holds it in place, and put the top up with the rear bow folded forward
against the center bow.  That gives some extra slack to get the snaps
snapped, and the dog legs straightened out.  Then once you're sitting in the
car, you push the rear bow back as far as it will go, to pull the top tight.
As it stretches out more (both from tension and the sun warming it up), you
can push the bow back again, to keep pulling the top tight.

I've never seen one that was spring-loaded; my experience is that the bow
will stay in position without a spring (or web) to hold it there.  But that
doesn't mean someone hasn't used a spring while I wasn't looking.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of Bob Nogueira
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2020 8:57 PM
> To: Triumph List
> Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
> 
> I don't have a Triumph , or at least a whole Triumph being a 
> Morgan owner, so forgive the lack of knowledge.
> Many years ago I saw a early TR while had a spring loaded 
> first bow for the top.  You would fasten the top to the car 
> with only the rear bows in place the compress the first bow, 
> put it in its place and release it so it tightened up the top .
> Was this standard on all TRs? 
> I never see a TR with the top up so haven't been able to 
> check at shows.
> Thanks for any responses .
> Bob Nogueira
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 06:00:28 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 06:00:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
In-Reply-To: <F97F7228D0C443209134996A6C020F12@RYPC>
References: <SN6PR17MB2223592A9B8B659E817FAB51DF010@SN6PR17MB2223.namprd17.prod.outlook.com>
 <F97F7228D0C443209134996A6C020F12@RYPC>
Message-ID: <5e80ac40-b140-630e-b998-283de26e7184@gmail.com>

On 2/2/20 12:55 AM, Randall wrote:
> There's an old trick for putting the top up in cold weather, when the vinyl
> has shrunk.
New tops arrive without the snaps installed. I waited then installed my 
snaps when the weather was in the low 50s. There has been no problem 
erecting the canvas top when I decided it is cold enough to do it or for 
sun protection. I see people who have set their snaps up on a warm day 
fight to get their tops up all the time. Sorry, I've never seen a spring 
set up.
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 08:09:26 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 09:09:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
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Some models of Sprites had spring loaded top frames.  There was a huge
number suppliers for aftermarket parts for sports cars in the sixties, many
literally cottage industries run from garages and basements.   I suppose it
is possible someone made a spring loaded top frame, but never heard of one,
most of the aftermarket focused on cosmetic and go faster parts.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 7:00 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

> On 2/2/20 12:55 AM, Randall wrote:
> > There's an old trick for putting the top up in cold weather, when the
> vinyl
> > has shrunk.
> New tops arrive without the snaps installed. I waited then installed my
> snaps when the weather was in the low 50s. There has been no problem
> erecting the canvas top when I decided it is cold enough to do it or for
> sun protection. I see people who have set their snaps up on a warm day
> fight to get their tops up all the time. Sorry, I've never seen a spring
> set up.
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Sun Feb  2 10:33:11 2020
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 09:33:11 -0800
Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
In-Reply-To: <F97F7228D0C443209134996A6C020F12@RYPC>
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Message-ID: <004801d5d9ee$d7f85e40$87e91ac0$@net>

The TR1800 and TR2000 of the 1940's has compression springs but they don't
work quite like you described, they just assist in raising the top which is
permanently installed.
On my TR3 I did disconnect the rear bow from the webbing so I could get the
top up easier as Randall described. Actually I couldn't get it up (the
convertible top, aka hood, that is) at all. However, on a very hot sunny day
when protection from the sun is required, the top would get so loose it
would collapse. My solution was to fasten a double sided Velcro strip to the
webbing and after the top is up, wrap it around the bow.
Bob 

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2020 11:55 PM
To: 'Bob Nogueira'; 'Triumph List'
Subject: Re: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs

Are you sure it was the front bow? 

There's an old trick for putting the top up in cold weather, when the vinyl
has shrunk.  You disconnect the rear bow from the webbing that normally
holds it in place, and put the top up with the rear bow folded forward
against the center bow.  That gives some extra slack to get the snaps
snapped, and the dog legs straightened out.  Then once you're sitting in the
car, you push the rear bow back as far as it will go, to pull the top tight.
As it stretches out more (both from tension and the sun warming it up), you
can push the bow back again, to keep pulling the top tight.

I've never seen one that was spring-loaded; my experience is that the bow
will stay in position without a spring (or web) to hold it there.  But that
doesn't mean someone hasn't used a spring while I wasn't looking.

-- Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 
> Bob Nogueira
> Sent: Saturday, February 01, 2020 8:57 PM
> To: Triumph List
> Subject: [TR] Top Bows on early TRs
> 
> I don't have a Triumph , or at least a whole Triumph being a Morgan 
> owner, so forgive the lack of knowledge.
> Many years ago I saw a early TR while had a spring loaded first bow 
> for the top.  You would fasten the top to the car with only the rear 
> bows in place the compress the first bow, put it in its place and 
> release it so it tightened up the top .
> Was this standard on all TRs? 
> I never see a TR with the top up so haven't been able to check at 
> shows.
> Thanks for any responses .
> Bob Nogueira
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Sun Feb  2 13:13:29 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 13:13:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
Message-ID: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>

My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.


Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 13:13:46 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 15:13:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgLPMcpCzL-E9UMjZsZaOXx-D2LXb7u0FZq47nj+7r4gA@mail.gmail.com>

And, if you lived in Washington DC, your ZIP code could be 20202 !!

Dave

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 3:13 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.
>
>
> Bud
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
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>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Feb  2 13:17:08 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 15:17:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
References: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <007d01d5da05$c0449770$40cdc650$@uprichard.net>

Palindromic in both sides of the Atlantic as well.......

I remember growing up in Ireland sending a birthday card to a pen pal I had
in the US.  His birthday was 03.05, so I naturally sent the card to arrive
on the third of May.....

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:13 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content

My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.


Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Feb  2 14:14:44 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 13:14:44 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR8 FI hose kit
References: <08734473-457e-bdbf-2235-0d2c6376126b.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <08734473-457e-bdbf-2235-0d2c6376126b@att.net>

It looks OK.? A bit expensive if all you need to do is replace the 
(leaking) hoses.? All I did was buy a length of FI hose and clamps from 
my local FLAP's.? FI hose is about $10.00 a foot and the clamps are 
under a dollar each.

MY TR8 had fairly new injectors but what sells as gasoline in California 
made the hoses leak in under 2 years.

You have to remove the plenum chamber to access the injector rails but 
not a difficult job overall.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Feb  2 14:50:54 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 21:50:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
References: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1633345226.490442.1580680254219@mail.yahoo.com>

 Be sure and drive your RACECAR.? (another palindrome)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2020 2:13 pm
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content

My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.


Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Feb  2 14:57:22 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 21:57:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <007d01d5da05$c0449770$40cdc650$@uprichard.net>
References: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
 <007d01d5da05$c0449770$40cdc650$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <113232101.464647.1580680642850@mail.yahoo.com>

 Yes, the US does seem to be the odd man out.? Of course, the US military does use the more logical day/month/year format.
It is for this reason I prefer the less ambiguous three letter abbreviation for the month.? Mar 5 2020 will never be confused with 3 May 2020.
slan
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'Bud Rolofson' <levilevi at comcast.net>; 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2020 2:17 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content

Palindromic in both sides of the Atlantic as well.......

I remember growing up in Ireland sending a birthday card to a pen pal I had
in the US.? His birthday was 03.05, so I naturally sent the card to arrive
on the third of May.....

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:13 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content

My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.


Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


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From cfmtr3a at verizon.net  Sun Feb  2 14:59:08 2020
From: cfmtr3a at verizon.net (CFM-TR)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 16:59:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <007d01d5da05$c0449770$40cdc650$@uprichard.net>
References: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
 <007d01d5da05$c0449770$40cdc650$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <05ac01d5da13$ff6599a0$fe30cce0$@verizon.net>

The daughter of a friend of my daughter had a son this morning at 2:21:05am.
Supposedly, there was a girl born at 2:20:20 am in the same hospital but I
haven't heard anything in the news so I am skeptical...

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew
uprichard
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:17 PM
To: 'Bud Rolofson' <levilevi at comcast.net>; 'triumphs'
<triumphs at autox.team.net>; 'FOT' <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content

Palindromic in both sides of the Atlantic as well.......

I remember growing up in Ireland sending a birthday card to a pen pal I had
in the US.  His birthday was 03.05, so I naturally sent the card to arrive
on the third of May.....

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 3:13 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content

My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.


Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 15:14:21 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 16:14:21 -0600
Subject: [TR] What Am I
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aYLFgX=9oH-q+q5rhdBEdEh2j0ks04dWeN3YkQX61yCww@mail.gmail.com>

Friend is looking at a small mouth TR3.  However, I don't think things are
lining up right with numbers.

Registered as a 59 too late right?

Car number TS45337L (registrations starts with "T5" I meant to take a
picture of the VIN plate but guess I didn't, should be TS right?"

Body Number EB20549

Engine Number: TS660715 (or last  "S")

I don't have a lot of information on watch matches what, but Vin seems
later than a small mouth.

Thanks, Greg
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sun Feb  2 15:34:04 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 16:34:04 -0600
Subject: [TR] What Am I
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aYLFgX=9oH-q+q5rhdBEdEh2j0ks04dWeN3YkQX61yCww@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3aYLFgX=9oH-q+q5rhdBEdEh2j0ks04dWeN3YkQX61yCww@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d5da18$e07df8c0$a179ea40$@flash.net>

Greg,

Quick and easy reference is the beginning pages of the Moss catalogue.

 

Yes, begins with ?TS? ends with ?L?(LHD) or ?LO?(overdrive)

 

The engine number is too far ahead of the commission number, typically the engine numbers run 300-600 ahead of the engine blocks to account to engines pulled out for other purposes, i.e. replacements or sales to other car builders such as Morgan or Swallow.  Engine numbers begin with ?TS? and end with ?E?(probably what is listed as a ?5? on you registration).

 

>From what you have written I would say you have a TR3A, commission number TS45337L, with a later engine and a TR3 nose, they readily interchange.  

 

Not going to win any Triumph concours competitions but still a fine looking fun driver that will turn heads.

 

Cheers,

Bill

1958 TR3A TS30800L with TR4A Engine CT67072E

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Sunday, February 2, 2020 4:14 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] What Am I

 

Friend is looking at a small mouth TR3.  However, I don't think things are lining up right with numbers.

 

Registered as a 59 too late right?

 

Car number TS45337L (registrations starts with "T5" I meant to take a picture of the VIN plate but guess I didn't, should be TS right?"

 

Body Number EB20549

 

Engine Number: TS660715 (or last  "S")

 

I don't have a lot of information on watch matches what, but Vin seems later than a small mouth.

 

Thanks, Greg

 

 

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 15:48:32 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 16:48:32 -0600
Subject: [TR] What Am I
In-Reply-To: <000001d5da18$e07df8c0$a179ea40$@flash.net>
References: <CAFtw3aYLFgX=9oH-q+q5rhdBEdEh2j0ks04dWeN3YkQX61yCww@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001d5da18$e07df8c0$a179ea40$@flash.net>
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Thanks Bill,

So small mouth  doesn't match commission number, commission number doesn't
match engine number?
No intention of creating a concourse car, just curious, thanks for the help.

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 4:34 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Quick and easy reference is the beginning pages of the Moss catalogue.
>
>
>
> Yes, begins with ?TS? ends with ?L?(LHD) or ?LO?(overdrive)
>
>
>
> The engine number is too far ahead of the commission number, typically the
> engine numbers run 300-600 ahead of the engine blocks to account to engines
> pulled out for other purposes, i.e. replacements or sales to other car
> builders such as Morgan or Swallow.  Engine numbers begin with ?TS? and end
> with ?E?(probably what is listed as a ?5? on you registration).
>
>
>
> From what you have written I would say you have a TR3A, commission number
> TS45337L, with a later engine and a TR3 nose, they readily interchange.
>
>
>
> Not going to win any Triumph concours competitions but still a fine
> looking fun driver that will turn heads.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> 1958 TR3A TS30800L with TR4A Engine CT67072E
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Lemon
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 2, 2020 4:14 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What Am I
>
>
>
> Friend is looking at a small mouth TR3.  However, I don't think things are
> lining up right with numbers.
>
>
>
> Registered as a 59 too late right?
>
>
>
> Car number TS45337L (registrations starts with "T5" I meant to take a
> picture of the VIN plate but guess I didn't, should be TS right?"
>
>
>
> Body Number EB20549
>
>
>
> Engine Number: TS660715 (or last  "S")
>
>
>
> I don't have a lot of information on watch matches what, but Vin seems
> later than a small mouth.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Greg
>
>
>
>
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Feb  2 15:49:06 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 16:49:06 -0600
Subject: [TR] What Am I
In-Reply-To: <000001d5da18$e07df8c0$a179ea40$@flash.net>
References: <CAFtw3aYLFgX=9oH-q+q5rhdBEdEh2j0ks04dWeN3YkQX61yCww@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001d5da18$e07df8c0$a179ea40$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aYuAT1UpZrpenFbrgHEE3F-6z6DxZy3z_uws_cxR3wdKw@mail.gmail.com>

It also has O/D obviously added later, but still a good thing

On Sun, Feb 2, 2020, 4:34 PM wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

> Greg,
>
> Quick and easy reference is the beginning pages of the Moss catalogue.
>
>
>
> Yes, begins with ?TS? ends with ?L?(LHD) or ?LO?(overdrive)
>
>
>
> The engine number is too far ahead of the commission number, typically the
> engine numbers run 300-600 ahead of the engine blocks to account to engines
> pulled out for other purposes, i.e. replacements or sales to other car
> builders such as Morgan or Swallow.  Engine numbers begin with ?TS? and end
> with ?E?(probably what is listed as a ?5? on you registration).
>
>
>
> From what you have written I would say you have a TR3A, commission number
> TS45337L, with a later engine and a TR3 nose, they readily interchange.
>
>
>
> Not going to win any Triumph concours competitions but still a fine
> looking fun driver that will turn heads.
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
> Bill
>
> 1958 TR3A TS30800L with TR4A Engine CT67072E
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Lemon
> *Sent:* Sunday, February 2, 2020 4:14 PM
> *To:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] What Am I
>
>
>
> Friend is looking at a small mouth TR3.  However, I don't think things are
> lining up right with numbers.
>
>
>
> Registered as a 59 too late right?
>
>
>
> Car number TS45337L (registrations starts with "T5" I meant to take a
> picture of the VIN plate but guess I didn't, should be TS right?"
>
>
>
> Body Number EB20549
>
>
>
> Engine Number: TS660715 (or last  "S")
>
>
>
> I don't have a lot of information on watch matches what, but Vin seems
> later than a small mouth.
>
>
>
> Thanks, Greg
>
>
>
>
>
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Feb  2 17:23:12 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 18:23:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <1633345226.490442.1580680254219@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
 <1633345226.490442.1580680254219@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6185a121-367f-372c-c4dc-790cf1c778a0@tonydrews.com>

Does working on your RacecaR count?? :)

- Tony Drews

On 2/2/2020 3:50 PM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Be sure and drive your RACECAR.? (another palindrome)
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2020 2:13 pm
> Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
>
> My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.
>
>
> Bud
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Feb  2 18:03:03 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 3 Feb 2020 01:03:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <6185a121-367f-372c-c4dc-790cf1c778a0@tonydrews.com>
References: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
 <1633345226.490442.1580680254219@mail.yahoo.com>
 <6185a121-367f-372c-c4dc-790cf1c778a0@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <44200275.525637.1580691783558@mail.yahoo.com>

 Sure but watch out for that taco cat.
Wait, Was it a rat I saw?
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2020 6:23 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content

 Does working on your RacecaR count?? :) - Tony Drews
  On 2/2/2020 3:50 PM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
  
 
  Be sure and drive your RACECAR.? (another palindrome)
   
  Dave 
 
   
   
  -----Original Message-----
 From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
 To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; FOT <fot at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Sun, Feb 2, 2020 2:13 pm
 Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
 
 My address is 220 **** Street on 02/02/2020. Spooky woo woo.
  
  
  Bud 
  
  Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
  
  71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
  71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
  69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
  93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
  77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
  
   
 
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Sun Feb  2 18:46:31 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Sun, 2 Feb 2020 18:46:31 -0700
Subject: [TR] Palindrome Day-no TR content
In-Reply-To: <44200275.525637.1580691783558@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <62866952-637B-4C9A-88B2-128662EF7981@comcast.net>
 <1633345226.490442.1580680254219@mail.yahoo.com>
 <6185a121-367f-372c-c4dc-790cf1c778a0@tonydrews.com>
 <44200275.525637.1580691783558@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <524d87e2-67ce-31f4-d4a0-24b1a81b10a2@dfn.com>

On 2/2/2020 6:03 PM, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Sure but watch out for thattaco cat.
>
> Wait, Was it a rat I saw?


Given where I am:

UFO tofu


Cheers.

-- 


Michael Porter
Roswell, NM


Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....

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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Tue Feb  4 17:31:53 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 18:31:53 -0600
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
References: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$.ref@flash.net>
Message-ID: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$@flash.net>

Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about
the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the
gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both
surfaces are in excellent condition.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Feb  4 17:51:57 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 19:51:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$@flash.net>
References: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$.ref@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <C67EA6BBCED64FFCB96A68FD6508F8F1@VlackTK121647>

A favorite of many racers is ?The Right Stuff? I believe made by Permatex.
JVV

From: bill beecher 
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 7:31 PM
To: 'Triumphs' 
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L



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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Feb  4 18:11:30 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:11:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$@flash.net>
References: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$.ref@flash.net>
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On Tue, Feb 4, 2020, 19:32 bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about
> the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the
> gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?
>

I'm not the whole list, but I'd use Hylomar.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/aw/d/B00CFH9GZG/ref=sspa_mw_detail_0?ie=UTF8&psc=1

There are a number of different flavors, but I think it's the right
one...I'm on mobile, so it's hard to see
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Tue Feb  4 18:18:26 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:18:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$@flash.net>
References: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$.ref@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <001b01d5dbc2$2b3ec510$81bc4f30$@charter.net>

I have had good results with Permatex "Ultra Black" gasket maker. Part #
82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which
was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that
there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines,
a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,
etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be
overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

 

I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer
available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative.
Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting - in those
cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover
being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a
chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But
we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of
excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil
galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am
repairing somebody's tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV
sealer inside of a compartment. I'm sure that many leaks are the result of
deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous
"mechanic" overtightening bolts. "If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be
better" Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it
can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was
teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast
iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill
beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

 

Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about
the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the
gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both
surfaces are in excellent condition.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Feb  4 18:26:50 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 19:26:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <001b01d5dbc2$2b3ec510$81bc4f30$@charter.net>
References: <000001d5dbbb$aab9ac80$002d0580$.ref@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <f6e52f32-1987-14a3-aa41-bb9dd3f0a140@tonydrews.com>

I second the Permatex Ultra Black - although the reason I use it (versus 
other brands or whatever) is that it's stocked at my local Farm & 
Fleet.? I use the Permatex copper colored for other surfaces (like front 
plate to front of engine) but ultra black for pan and timing cover 
gasket.? The Ultra Black is more durable / harder to remove than the 
ultra copper.? THIN layer on both sides of gasket so it doesn't ooze 
into the engine and gum up the works as Alex describes.

I also beat down any bolt hole dimples (due to previous over 
tightening).? If anything, having the bolt hole slightly concave on the 
sealing surface so it can pull back down to flat is preferable to having 
it stand proud of the surface.? Of course that's better done prior to 
the powder coating.? :)

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/4/2020 7:18 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
>
> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part 
> # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 
> which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it 
> seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 
> 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling 
> east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the 
> local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of 
> Loctite that you can buy.
>
> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer 
> available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only 
> alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another 
> casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a 
> pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there 
> will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which 
> will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and 
> other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop 
> becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and 
> other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am 
> repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV 
> sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the 
> result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to 
> a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, 
> then 40 must be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast 
> iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is 
> warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the 
> surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface 
> plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> *From:*Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of 
> *bill beecher
> *Sent:* Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
> *To:* 'Triumphs'
> *Subject:* [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>
> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering 
> about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side 
> of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this??? 
> BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill
>
> TS30800L
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Feb  4 18:48:09 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 01:48:09 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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 rtv on the pan side. let it set overnight on a flat surface.Hylomar on the other surface when you marry it to the bottom of the motor.will come off easy next time and be re-usable if you dont have a new one.
frank
    On Tuesday, February 4, 2020, 04:32:37 PM PST, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:  
 
 
Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this??? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

 ?

Thanks,

Bill

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Feb  4 19:51:11 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 20:51:11 -0600
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
Message-ID: <001a01d5dbcf$2076fdc0$6164f940$@ranteer.com>

We have 2 of these.  They came off a TR6.  Can anyone tell me exactly what
weber carb it is?

 

Does anyone know if we can put 3 on a triple Stromberg setup TR6?

 

And, obviously with a different manifold, could we put them on the 62 TR4?

 

Btw both cars have a lot of performance mods so they won't go to waste!

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Feb  4 20:00:58 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 4 Feb 2020 21:00:58 -0600
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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I think I found the ID - could it be a 32-36 DGV?

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 8:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] weber carbs

 

We have 2 of these.  They came off a TR6.  Can anyone tell me exactly what
weber carb it is?

 

Does anyone know if we can put 3 on a triple Stromberg setup TR6?

 

And, obviously with a different manifold, could we put them on the 62 TR4?

 

Btw both cars have a lot of performance mods so they won't go to waste!

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Feb  5 01:22:45 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 01:22:45 -0700
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:
>
> I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?
>
>

Yep.

mjb.



From rrochlin at comcast.net  Wed Feb  5 05:16:37 2020
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 08:16:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I had the same problem as Tony.  The front plate of my engine had a dimple that didn?t notice until I went to reinstall the timing chain cover. I used Great Stuff to seal the timing chain cover instead of removing the front plate to flatten ou the dimple and it worked really well. I believe that the oil pan was sealed the same way by the engine rebuilder. I?ve been told that great stuff is very difficult to remove, but fortunately I?ve not had fine out for myself yet.
	Best
	Bob
	?72 TR6

> On Feb 4, 2020, at 9:26 PM, Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> I second the Permatex Ultra Black - although the reason I use it (versus other brands or whatever) is that it's stocked at my local Farm & Fleet.  I use the Permatex copper colored for other surfaces (like front plate to front of engine) but ultra black for pan and timing cover gasket.  The Ultra Black is more durable / harder to remove than the ultra copper.  THIN layer on both sides of gasket so it doesn't ooze into the engine and gum up the works as Alex describes.
> 
> I also beat down any bolt hole dimples (due to previous over tightening).  If anything, having the bolt hole slightly concave on the sealing surface so it can pull back down to flat is preferable to having it stand proud of the surface.  Of course that's better done prior to the powder coating.  :)
> 
> Regards, Tony Drews
> 
> On 2/4/2020 7:18 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>  
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>  
>> Alex Thomson
>>  
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>  
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>> 
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Feb  5 06:02:57 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 13:02:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
In-Reply-To: <4cd03423-d84c-dcdb-331d-4df005278853@bradakis.com>
References: <001a01d5dbcf$2076fdc0$6164f940$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <D6281802-D02D-4FFE-9A4D-8416A51A6C77@albiontechnical.com>

I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use.  The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened wide.  I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:
>> 
>> I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yep.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Feb  5 06:07:34 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 13:07:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
In-Reply-To: <D6281802-D02D-4FFE-9A4D-8416A51A6C77@albiontechnical.com>
References: <001a01d5dbcf$2076fdc0$6164f940$@ranteer.com>
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 Indeed, My 79 Mustang had just sort of carb.? It is a good design.? Can't say the same for that toilet-trap manifold.? fuel will collect in the low spot until you get on the throttle when it all gets sucked into the engine all at once.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 7:03 am
Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs

I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use.? The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened wide.? I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:? 630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:
>> 
>> I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?
>> 
>> 
> 
> Yep.
> 
> mjb.
> 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Feb  5 06:26:04 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 13:26:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
References: <120439182.553093.1580909164735.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <120439182.553093.1580909164735@mail.yahoo.com>

 A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years.? 

Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.

When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

#yiv5478696345 #yiv5478696345 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv5478696345 #yiv5478696345 p.yiv5478696345MsoNormal, #yiv5478696345 li.yiv5478696345MsoNormal, #yiv5478696345 div.yiv5478696345MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;} #yiv5478696345 a:link, #yiv5478696345 span.yiv5478696345MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478696345 a:visited, #yiv5478696345 span.yiv5478696345MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:#954F72;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv5478696345 span.yiv5478696345EmailStyle17 {color:windowtext;} #yiv5478696345 span.yiv5478696345EmailStyle18 {color:#1F497D;} #yiv5478696345 .yiv5478696345MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;} _filtered {} #yiv5478696345 div.yiv5478696345WordSection1 {} #yiv5478696345 I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy. ?I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness. ?Alex Thomson ?From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer? ?Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this??? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition. ?Thanks,BillTS30800L
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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Feb  5 08:21:52 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:21:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
In-Reply-To: <000501d5dbd0$7df11610$79d34230$@ranteer.com>
References: <001a01d5dbcf$2076fdc0$6164f940$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <004801d5dc37$fefdb710$fcf92530$@flash.net>

Dave,

Measure the openings, one should be 32mm, the other 36mm.  

 

BTW, I might be interested in one if you are getting rid of them.

 

B

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 9:01 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs

 

I think I found the ID - could it be a 32-36 DGV?

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> > On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, February 4, 2020 8:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] weber carbs

 

We have 2 of these.  They came off a TR6.  Can anyone tell me exactly what
weber carb it is?

 

Does anyone know if we can put 3 on a triple Stromberg setup TR6?

 

And, obviously with a different manifold, could we put them on the 62 TR4?

 

Btw both cars have a lot of performance mods so they won't go to waste!

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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Wed Feb  5 08:21:52 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 09:21:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <120439182.553093.1580909164735@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <120439182.553093.1580909164735.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.  Joe, how about it?

Bill

 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

 

A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years.  

 

Not all RTV sealants are the same.  Some are oil resistant and others are not.  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.  Check the manufacturer's website.  Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.  None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.

 

When  using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.  This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.

 

When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

 

 

As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.  Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.  ;-)

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net <mailto:aljlthomson at charter.net> >
To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net <mailto:bill_beecher at flash.net> >; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

 

I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

 

Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

 

Thanks,

Bill

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Feb  5 08:52:02 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:52:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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Well, having written what I wrote, I did a little research and found that someone is actually offering a dual 32/36 DGEV setup for a TR7.  So maybe it?s easier to do than I thought. I would think this would be a lot of carb for this engine, however.

https://www.amazon.com/TRIUMPH-DUAL-WEBER-CONVERSION-P28-010/dp/B01N5QPJC6

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 07:03, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com<mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com>> wrote:

I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use.  The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened wide.  I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:

On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:

I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?



Yep.

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Feb  5 08:57:47 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:57:47 +0000
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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Apparently, they put this exact set-up on Nissan 240, 260, and 280Zs, too.

https://forums.hybridz.org/topic/78940-dual-weber-3236-dgv-downdrafts-verse-su-carbs/

Wouldn?t DCOEs be more efficient, from an airflow viewpoint, in that they are horizontal, vs the downdraft DGV?

Mike

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 09:52, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com<mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com>> wrote:

Well, having written what I wrote, I did a little research and found that someone is actually offering a dual 32/36 DGEV setup for a TR7.  So maybe it?s easier to do than I thought. I would think this would be a lot of carb for this engine, however.

https://www.amazon.com/TRIUMPH-DUAL-WEBER-CONVERSION-P28-010/dp/B01N5QPJC6<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_TRIUMPH-2DDUAL-2DWEBER-2DCONVERSION-2DP28-2D010_dp_B01N5QPJC6&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=HL4LAX-jeuoWNeqz1u1ryqDHfrhQ38xO3ECYGpjCniQ&m=TVZFgy640t-4kZEYsh_-xk87fcrMyi7aN7u4YDX-6rY&s=_qRTp97Xjuj7zsnf9UjeSdqBqj0L-VTrO0JXuI6l_RI&e=>

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 07:03, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com<mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com>> wrote:

I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use.  The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened wide.  I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

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Mobile:  630-202-0065

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:

On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:

I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?



Yep.

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Feb  5 09:41:16 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 10:41:16 -0600
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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Yes,? for a stock engine.? ?My tr4 is waaay not stock?
-------- Original message --------From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> Date: 2/5/20  9:52 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs 
Well, having written what I wrote, I did a little research and found that someone is actually offering a dual 32/36 DGEV setup for a TR7. ?So maybe it?s easier to do than I thought. I would think this would be a lot of carb for this engine, however.


https://www.amazon.com/TRIUMPH-DUAL-WEBER-CONVERSION-P28-010/dp/B01N5QPJC6


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On Feb 5, 2020, at 07:03, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:



I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use. ?The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened
 wide. ?I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that
 it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

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Mobile: ?630-202-0065

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:




On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:







I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?












Yep.



mjb.





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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Feb  5 10:35:12 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 17:35:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <004d01d5dc37$ff170b70$fd452250$@flash.net>
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 Which should he do first?? TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.? Or maybe the Spitfire.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com>; aljlthomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:22 am
Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer? ?A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years.?  ?Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant. ?When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems. ?When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint. ? ?As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-) ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.?I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.?Alex Thomson?From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer??Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this??? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.?Thanks,BillTS30800L ?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Feb  5 10:37:24 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 17:37:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
In-Reply-To: <19D374F6-89B3-4CAB-B67D-61D95AC53F30@albiontechnical.com>
References: <001a01d5dbcf$2076fdc0$6164f940$@ranteer.com>
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 <4cd03423-d84c-dcdb-331d-4df005278853@bradakis.com>
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 Well, yes, they would.? But they cost more.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
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Sent: Wed, Feb 5, 2020 9:58 am
Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs

Apparently, they put this exact set-up on Nissan 240, 260, and 280Zs, too. ??
https://forums.hybridz.org/topic/78940-dual-weber-3236-dgv-downdrafts-verse-su-carbs/
Wouldn?t DCOEs be more efficient, from an airflow viewpoint, in that they are horizontal, vs the downdraft DGV?
Mike

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 09:52, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:


Well, having written what I wrote, I did a little research and found that someone is actually offering a dual 32/36 DGEV setup for a TR7. ?So maybe it?s easier to do than I thought. I would think this would be a lot of carb for this engine, however.
https://www.amazon.com/TRIUMPH-DUAL-WEBER-CONVERSION-P28-010/dp/B01N5QPJC6
Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile: ?630-202-0065
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On Feb 5, 2020, at 07:03, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:


I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use. ?The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened wide. ?I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile: ?630-202-0065

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:






On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:









I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?
















Yep.





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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Wed Feb  5 10:55:18 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 11:55:18 -0600
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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My vote is for the TR2/3/4, just a personal choice.   They are older and probably more of them out there with slightly questionable oil pans that a nice silicone gasket could help overcome minor issues.

 

Bill

 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 11:35 AM
To: bill_beecher at flash.net; aljlthomson at charter.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

 

Which should he do first?  TR3/4 or TR6/GT6.  Or maybe the Spitfire.

 

Dave 

 

 

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Subject: RE: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.  Joe, how about it?

Bill

 

From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
To: aljlthomson at charter.net <mailto:aljlthomson at charter.net> ; bill_beecher at flash.net <mailto:bill_beecher at flash.net> ; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

 

A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years.  

 

Not all RTV sealants are the same.  Some are oil resistant and others are not.  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such  Check the manufacturer's website.  Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.  None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.

 

When  using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.  This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.

 

When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

 

 

As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.  Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.  ;-)

 

Dave 

 

 

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Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

 

I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
To: 'Triumphs'
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

 

Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

 

Thanks,

Bill

TS30800L

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Feb  5 11:40:51 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 11:40:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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On 2/5/20 8:57 AM, Michael Marr wrote:
>
> Wouldn?t DCOEs be more efficient, from an airflow viewpoint, in that 
> they are horizontal, vs the downdraft DGV?


Yes.? The best setup is each cylinder having its own venturi, with the 
most direct path from the face of the carb to the intake port.? The 
worst is having a convoluted, twisty path that goes through multiple 
bends on its way to the port.

mjb.



From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Feb  5 12:56:54 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 14:56:54 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
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Is it just me, or is it become rare to nonexistent to see a TR3 ad under parts?

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Feb  5 13:05:45 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 20:05:45 +0000
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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Here?s an interesting article on various carb choices for the BMC B Series engine, which I think would be fairly analogous to the TR2 through TR4 engines.  It covers the 32/36 DGV, the 45DCOE, and the variations on the H4 and H6 SUs.

http://www.mgbmga.com/tech/mgb19.htm

I think I will keep my SUs ?

Mike

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
Albion Technical Services
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From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 10:41 AM
To: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>; Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs

Yes,  for a stock engine.   My tr4 is waaay not stock

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Date: 2/5/20 9:52 AM (GMT-06:00)
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Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs

Well, having written what I wrote, I did a little research and found that someone is actually offering a dual 32/36 DGEV setup for a TR7.  So maybe it?s easier to do than I thought. I would think this would be a lot of carb for this engine, however.

https://www.amazon.com/TRIUMPH-DUAL-WEBER-CONVERSION-P28-010/dp/B01N5QPJC6<https://urldefense.proofpoint.com/v2/url?u=https-3A__www.amazon.com_TRIUMPH-2DDUAL-2DWEBER-2DCONVERSION-2DP28-2D010_dp_B01N5QPJC6&d=DwMGaQ&c=euGZstcaTDllvimEN8b7jXrwqOf-v5A_CdpgnVfiiMM&r=YR2ZqwGj7Zo2C-yt3QUBH5aoBlZNxWL23aumdGkLOtY&m=7HzNzfvdUM6eLoIatW3HzHNXiNGHAVnsScu6J0FesL8&s=mrOdqSUfNTGASBfzHMZuytE3qwTliPWUOiS437-v3Xs&e=>

Mike
Michael Marr

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On Feb 5, 2020, at 07:03, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com<mailto:mmarr at albiontechnical.com>> wrote:
I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use.  The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened wide.  I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad


On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com<mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:

On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote:

I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV?



Yep.

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Feb  5 14:25:08 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 21:25:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] weber carbs
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 Carburetors are not trivial.? The fuel/air ratio controls are subtle and subject to many outside variables such as temperature.? The A/F ration needed at a given air flow will be different depending on engine speed vs throttle position so adjustments are, at best, a compromise.? 

The lads in Coventry spend many, many hours setting up an optimum compromise and I see no sense in tossing all that work in the bin unless you have made really significant changes to the engine (cam, compression, porting, etc)
I agree.? I'll stick with the SU's.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs  ? Yes,? for a stock engine.? ?My tr4 is waaay not stock?  ? -------- Original message -------- From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> Date: 2/5/20 9:52 AM (GMT-06:00)  To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net  Subject: Re: [TR] weber carbs   ? Well, having written what I wrote, I did a little research and found that someone is actually offering a dual 32/36 DGEV setup for a TR7. ?So maybe it?s easier to do than I thought. I would think this would be a lot of carb for this engine, however.   ? https://www.amazon.com/TRIUMPH-DUAL-WEBER-CONVERSION-P28-010/dp/B01N5QPJC6  ? Mike Michael Marr  ? Mobile: ?630-202-0065  ? Sent from my iPad 
On Feb 5, 2020, at 07:03, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote: 
I don?t know a lot about Weber carbs, but I believe that these particular carbs are progressive choke - that is, at normal throttle openings only one choke (the smaller one) is in use. ?The second choke opens only when the throttle is opened wide. ?I believe this style of Weber was developed to give cars the economy of a single choke carb under normal driving conditions, with the ability to greatly increase mixture flow to the engine when additional power was needed. As such, I would think that it would be difficult to synchronize a pair of them. But, as I said up front, I know very little about Weber carbs...

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile: ?630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad


 
On Feb 5, 2020, at 02:23, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote: 

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On 2/4/20 8:00 PM, dave wrote: 



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I think I found the ID ? could it be a 32-36 DGV? 



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Yep. 

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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed Feb  5 15:05:39 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 22:05:39 +0000
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
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Maybe I should take the 30 from my barn and post them???????????

	-----------------------------------------From: "TERRY SMITH" 
To: "triumphs"
Cc: 
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Subject: [TR] Craigslist

   Is it just me, or is it become rare to nonexistent to see a TR3 ad
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Feb  5 15:47:19 2020
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 05 Feb 2020 14:47:19 -0800
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
-- Randall

On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.  Joe, how about it?
>
>Bill
>
> 
>
>From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net;
>triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>
> 
>
>A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the
>years.  
>
> 
>
>Not all RTV sealants are the same.  Some are oil resistant and others
>are not.  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended
>for sealing windshields and such.  Check the manufacturer's website. 
>Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.  None, as far as I know, are
>gasoline resistant.
>
> 
>
>When  using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts
>loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.  This will
>reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and
>dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all
>manner of expensive problems.
>
> 
>
>When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or
>string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that
>there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>
> 
>
> 
>
>As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the
>gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening
>to allow for easy removal/resintallation.  Until Joe Alexander produces
>a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.  ;-)
>
> 
>
>Dave 
>
> 
>
> 
>
>-----Original Message-----
>From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net
><mailto:aljlthomson at charter.net> >
>To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net
><mailto:bill_beecher at flash.net> >; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net
><mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
>Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>
>I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part
># 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1
>which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it
>seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with
>6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east
>with 4 cyl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local
>NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that
>you can buy.
>
> 
>
>I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer
>available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only
>alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another
>casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a
>pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there
>will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will
>require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other
>drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming
>entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other
>places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing
>somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer
>inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of
>deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous
>?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must
>be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface
>plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years
>ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big
>table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking
>small parts for flatness.
>
> 
>
>Alex Thomson
>
> 
>
>From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
>bill beecher
>Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>To: 'Triumphs'
>Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>
> 
>
>Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering
>about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side
>of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?  
>BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>
> 
>
>Thanks,
>
>Bill
>
>TS30800L
>
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Feb  5 16:14:52 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 17:14:52 -0600
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <5bcebcdf83b5366ad8aac92b2e58484620685eb7@webmail>
References: <5bcebcdf83b5366ad8aac92b2e58484620685eb7@webmail>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aYwH9XWxpWuP92Gm6Dv6BnmHT-KVTac+=4ug0-aMi6pXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Kind of hard to find interesting old cars and parts on Craigslist at all
these days, or at least as much as you used to.  I think it is a
combination of things getting older and rarer, and people realizing that
the limited local market of CL is not the best place to sell old British
car parts.

I had a stash of old TR stuff I had in my garage for 30 years, not
necessarily the best shape, or rarest parts, but after local ads and pretty
much offers to give away to club members (most of whom also have a garage
full of old parts) ebaying some, I ended up hauling a lot of it to the
dump, sad, but I really didn't want to haul it and store it and have
somebody else figure what to do with it after I am gone.

Greg Lemon
TR250


On Wed, Feb 5, 2020, 4:05 PM <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:

> Maybe I should take the 30 from my barn and post them???????????
>
> -----------------------------------------
> From: "TERRY SMITH"
> To: "triumphs"
> Cc:
> Sent: Wednesday February 5 2020 2:56:54PM
> Subject: [TR] Craigslist
>
> Is it just me, or is it become rare to nonexistent to see a TR3 ad under
> parts?
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Feb  5 17:25:46 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 16:25:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aYwH9XWxpWuP92Gm6Dv6BnmHT-KVTac+=4ug0-aMi6pXQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5bcebcdf83b5366ad8aac92b2e58484620685eb7@webmail>
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Message-ID: <EAF86B4BD1704FC7B021E5E58C95B00A@RYPC>

There are still a few TR3 and TR6 parts that show up on CL around here; but
they tend towards being either gold plated or solid gold.

Here's the latest absurdity: a rather tatty looking, "as is where is" non-OD
early TR3 gearbox for "only" $600.  
https://is.gd/tHk6Ky

At least it appears to really be what the seller says it is.

My guess is that most folks have had the same experience I have; ads on CL
bring only aggravation (eg people wanting to "help" me sell something), not
buyers.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


From L1j1s at aol.com  Wed Feb  5 18:10:33 2020
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 20:10:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <1036480866.617823.1580932615130@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1036480866.617823.1580932615130@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <2B71BB2A-DF7E-4707-AFFB-4707C932825C@aol.com>

Not for me. Actually i do post TR parts on craigslist. Larry Schwartz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Is it just me, or is it become rare to nonexistent to see a TR3 ad under parts?
> 
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From L1j1s at aol.com  Wed Feb  5 18:10:33 2020
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 20:10:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <1036480866.617823.1580932615130@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1036480866.617823.1580932615130@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <2B71BB2A-DF7E-4707-AFFB-4707C932825C@aol.com>

Not for me. Actually i do post TR parts on craigslist. Larry Schwartz

Sent from my iPhone

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:57 PM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Is it just me, or is it become rare to nonexistent to see a TR3 ad under parts?
> 
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From lherault at verizon.net  Thu Feb  6 12:10:41 2020
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>


Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L


From ptegler at verizon.net  Thu Feb  6 21:19:15 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR13MB36147B1247FD925AD105633EC6360@MN2PR13MB3614.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR13MB36147B1247FD925AD105633EC6360@MN2PR13MB3614.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <d2d0635b-f072-a5b2-01bf-38ea89b1fcae@verizon.net>

Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 
Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 
NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 
join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 
know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 
Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 
event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 
We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 
2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 
Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 
founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 
and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 
own show.? Find out more in the following link: 
https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0>*__*

*__*

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 
this year.? They are as follows:

  * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T
  * 50 Years of BBS in Building T
  * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T
  * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion
  * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in
    Building R

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 
to apply can do so on www.CarlisleFeatures.com 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 


*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 
released them to be downloaded from the following links:

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 
please use this form:

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=38YieP1eQ6OfRB%2FasELoYCPUs5yEOSl5B0Js%2F84WWnQ%3D&reserved=0>

__

For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 
use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607702407&sdata=DdKnDkbwjYKFip8eItlxIFuWdvVZpu0lRQ0rT40%2BP2k%3D&reserved=0>

__

If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 
reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 
with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 
for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 
during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 
or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 
free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 
track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 
an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 
your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 
page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 
Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 
your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 
If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 
Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 
include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 
concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 
phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 
sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

Ed

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*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

Fax: *717-243-0255*

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 05:16:30 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600
Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDiu4MTx7V4-cnFa1cJgkbMpuY7-eiTGCAH3xthF0Ujtg@mail.gmail.com>

For everyone's info.  This is a fun one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Wed Feb  5 16:02:16 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <6B8646E5-57EF-4234-9D7D-7A56311B79C2@ca.rr.com>
References: <120439182.553093.1580909164735.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <120439182.553093.1580909164735@mail.yahoo.com>
 <004d01d5dc37$ff170b70$fd452250$@flash.net>
 <6B8646E5-57EF-4234-9D7D-7A56311B79C2@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <6F7D0F84-320B-44ED-81DD-A63B7A2E1DC9@mac.com>



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> ? Randall


I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.  It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.  It seems to work well.  Mine is on an alloy sump.  I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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From tboggiano at gmail.com  Wed Feb  5 16:16:20 2020
From: tboggiano at gmail.com (tom boggiano)
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <6B8646E5-57EF-4234-9D7D-7A56311B79C2@ca.rr.com>
References: <6B8646E5-57EF-4234-9D7D-7A56311B79C2@ca.rr.com>
Message-ID: <DB10C16E-8B22-472A-BC0D-3B19ED709966@gmail.com>

I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.  There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.  

Tom



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.  Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>>  
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>  
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 
>>  
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.  Some are oil resistant and others are not.  "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.  Check the manufacturer's website.  Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.  None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>>  
>> When  using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.  This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
>>  
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>>  
>>  
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.  Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.  ;-)
>>  
>> Dave
>> 
>>  
>>  
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> 
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,  etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>  
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>  
>> Alex Thomson
>>  
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>  
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.  My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?   BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>>  
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 13:18:07 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:18:07 -0800
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGwJtUFgsQTUjFFbJ=2OJGt_TPWmXM8Q3iSrBbf521b0w@mail.gmail.com>

I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph
than the original type.
Any recommendations USA side where I can get one.  I was not able to see
one on the Roadster factory. Only found across the pond Rimmers so far.


Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From emanteno at comcast.net  Fri Feb  7 13:28:33 2020
From: emanteno at comcast.net (Irv Korey)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:28:33 -0600
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:19 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph
> than the original type.
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno at gmail.com>


You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and inserting a roll
pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.
If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever again. There are
plenty of places on the Internet where you can
read/view this to see how it should be done. Easy peasy.

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL
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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Fri Feb  7 13:29:24 2020
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:29:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
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Are you talking about the pivot pin, where the fork attaches to the
bellhousing, or the slave cyl push rod pivot?
For the pivot pin, I went to the local farm store and found a grade 8 bolt
that fit very nicely.  It has been in there a couple years now with no
issues.  I can't remember the exact diameter and length I bought but they
are pretty cheap.  Take the pin with you and get a couple different
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Feb  7 13:31:51 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
In-Reply-To: <DB10C16E-8B22-472A-BC0D-3B19ED709966@gmail.com>
References: <6B8646E5-57EF-4234-9D7D-7A56311B79C2@ca.rr.com>
 <DB10C16E-8B22-472A-BC0D-3B19ED709966@gmail.com>
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...simple home brew....? stretch out wax paper on a very flat table and 
tape it down. Put a very small bead of silicone sealer dow nthe gasket 
surface and lay it silicone side down on the wax paper. Let it dry. you 
cna then repeat this on the other side.
Now when you install the gasket you have a solid gasket to keep it in 
line and the little bead of silicone takes care of any surface 
imperfections.
I've now reused the same pan gasket 6 times and still no leaks or need 
to over tighten

side line ...almost bought JW's business when he offered. ...just didn't 
have the time???? :-)

ptegler

On 2/5/2020 6:16 PM, tom boggiano wrote:
> I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets. ?There were a couple of challenges 
> You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety 
> wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out
>
> The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right
>
> But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of 
> the non flat pan issues I had.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <


From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Feb  7 15:26:56 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:26:56 -0800
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
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References: <CANLCLaGwJtUFgsQTUjFFbJ=2OJGt_TPWmXM8Q3iSrBbf521b0w@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <4E389104E6A54D9A8F4C5381E93BE49E@RYPC>


> You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and 
> inserting a roll pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.
> If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever 
> again.

That's what I did, using a grade 8 1/4-28 bolt and cutting off the threads
so the unthreaded shank went into the fork on both sides.  Also drilled the
hole a bit undersize, so it was a light press fit (tapped into place with
BFH).

But considering that the original taper pin lasted over 40 years, I doubt
I'll be around long enough to judge whether it's really any improvement or
not.

Don't forget to install a taper pin while drilling the fork and shaft; and
get the fork turned the right way.  My shaft has an extra hole for some
strange reason ...

-- Randall


From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Fri Feb  7 23:54:00 2020
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 06:54:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <mailman.16.1581102002.16685.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.16.1581102002.16685.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <644700223.79244.1581144840395@mail.yahoo.com>

Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!
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Today's Topics:

? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)
? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)
? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)
? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>
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Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance
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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 
Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 
NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 
join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 
know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 
Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 
event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 
We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 
2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 
Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 
founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 
and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 
own show.? Find out more in the following link: 
https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0>*__*

*__*

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 
this year.? They are as follows:

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T
? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T
? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T
? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion
? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in
? ? Building R

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 
to apply can do so on www.CarlisleFeatures.com 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 


*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 
released them to be downloaded from the following links:

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 
please use this form:

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=38YieP1eQ6OfRB%2FasELoYCPUs5yEOSl5B0Js%2F84WWnQ%3D&reserved=0>

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For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 
use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607702407&sdata=DdKnDkbwjYKFip8eItlxIFuWdvVZpu0lRQ0rT40%2BP2k%3D&reserved=0>

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If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 
reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 
with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 
for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 
during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 
or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 
free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 
track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 
an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 
your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 
page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 
Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 
your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 
If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 
Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 
include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 
concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 
phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 
sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

Ed

*email-logo***

*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

Fax: *717-243-0255*

1000 Bryn Mawr Road, Carlisle PA 17013

*CarlisleEvents.com <http://www.carlisleevents.com/>*| 
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**

Event Schedule <http://www.carlisleevents.com/pdf/Event-Schedule.pdf> | 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay
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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> ? Randall


I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500
From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>>? 
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 
>>? 
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>>? 
>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
>>? 
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>>? 
>>? 
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)
>>? 
>> Dave
>> 
>>? 
>>? 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> 
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>? 
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 
 to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>? 
>> Alex Thomson
>>? 
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>? 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>>? 
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From ryel at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 08:33:16 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:33:16 -0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33
Message-ID: <14a1a433-cfcb-426f-9e2a-164eca648b7a@me.com>

Go to this link to see photos from around the world from Drive Your Triumph Day 2019, 2018 & 2017. ?

https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com

Notice there are a number of photos of cars tucked in for the winter with the garage door open, or rolled out in the drive way for a quick photo, or in restoration. ?Have fun with it and participate even if you're in some nasty weather.

Regards,

Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE



On February 7, 2020 at 10:54 PM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!

Joe Mato
62 Wood Road
Redding, CT 06896
917 232 1555


On Friday, February 7, 2020, 02:03:33 PM EST, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:


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Today's Topics:

? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)
? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)
? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)
? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
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Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance
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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 
Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 
NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 
join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 
know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 
Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 
event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 
We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 
2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 
Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 
founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 
and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 
own show.? Find out more in the following link: 
https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0>*__*

*__*

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 
this year.? They are as follows:

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T
? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T
? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T
? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion
? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in
? ? Building R

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 
to apply can do so on http://www.CarlisleFeatures.com 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 


*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 
released them to be downloaded from the following links:

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 
please use this form:

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=38YieP1eQ6OfRB%2FasELoYCPUs5yEOSl5B0Js%2F84WWnQ%3D&reserved=0>

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For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 
use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607702407&sdata=DdKnDkbwjYKFip8eItlxIFuWdvVZpu0lRQ0rT40%2BP2k%3D&reserved=0>

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If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 
reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 
with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 
for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 
during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 
or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 
free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 
track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 
an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 
your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 
page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 
Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 
your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 
If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 
Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 
include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 
concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 
phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 
sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

Ed

*email-logo***

*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

Fax: *717-243-0255*

1000 Bryn Mawr Road, Carlisle PA 17013

*CarlisleEvents.com <http://www.carlisleevents.com/>*| 
*CarlisleAuctions.com <http://www.carlisleauctions.com/>*

**

Event Schedule <http://www.carlisleevents.com/pdf/Event-Schedule.pdf> | 
Facebook 
<http://www.carlisleevents.com/join-the-conversation/default.aspx>|Twitter 
<https://twitter.com/CarlisleEvents>|YouTube 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay
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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> ? Randall


I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500
From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>>? 
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 
>>? 
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>>? 
>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
>>? 
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>>? 
>>? 
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)
>>? 
>> Dave
>> 
>>? 
>>? 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> 
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>? 
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 
to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>? 
>> Alex Thomson
>>? 
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>? 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>>? 
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sat Feb  8 09:07:39 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 08:07:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00)
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Feb  8 14:53:14 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 16:53:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
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Same here:

The pin



 

The install:



 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

 

I did what Randall suggested when I changed my clutch.  I put it back together with a high strength pin to properly located the fork then drilled a 1/4" hole through the fork and shaft.  I then got a bolt with a shoulder long enough to go almost completely through the fork, so no threads were against the shaft.  I then drilled the nut/bolt and put a section of safety wire through it to make sure it stays.

 

Brian

 

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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb  8 15:18:15 2020
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 22:18:15 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1581188402.26216.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.10.1581188402.26216.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <139066081.272029.1581200295370@mail.yahoo.com>

John Black? There is an article by his son Nick that attempts to cover his life. He gives a good account called "John Black Triumph and Tragedy"? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?www.triumphdvd.co.uk
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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Today's Topics:

? 1. clutch for pin (Sujit Roy)
? 2. Re: clutch for pin (Irv Korey)
? 3. Re: clutch for pin (John Innis)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Paul Tegler)
? 5. Re: clutch for pin (Randall)
? 6. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (JOSEPH MATO)
? 7. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (Rye Livingston)
? 8. Re: clutch for pin (Brian Kemp)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:18:07 -0800
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
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I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph
than the original type.
Any recommendations USA side where I can get one.? I was not able to see
one on the Roadster factory. Only found across the pond Rimmers so far.


Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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Message: 2
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:28:33 -0600
From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:19 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph
> than the original type.
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno at gmail.com>


You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and inserting a roll
pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.
If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever again. There are
plenty of places on the Internet where you can
read/view this to see how it should be done. Easy peasy.

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:29:24 -0600
From: John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin
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Are you talking about the pivot pin, where the fork attaches to the
bellhousing, or the slave cyl push rod pivot?
For the pivot pin, I went to the local farm store and found a grade 8 bolt
that fit very nicely.? It has been in there a couple years now with no
issues.? I can't remember the exact diameter and length I bought but they
are pretty cheap.? Take the pin with you and get a couple different
diameters and various lengths.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:51 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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...simple home brew....? stretch out wax paper on a very flat table and 
tape it down. Put a very small bead of silicone sealer dow nthe gasket 
surface and lay it silicone side down on the wax paper. Let it dry. you 
cna then repeat this on the other side.
Now when you install the gasket you have a solid gasket to keep it in 
line and the little bead of silicone takes care of any surface 
imperfections.
I've now reused the same pan gasket 6 times and still no leaks or need 
to over tighten

side line ...almost bought JW's business when he offered. ...just didn't 
have the time???? :-)

ptegler

On 2/5/2020 6:16 PM, tom boggiano wrote:
> I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets. ?There were a couple of challenges 
> You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety 
> wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out
>
> The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right
>
> But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of 
> the non flat pan issues I had.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:26:56 -0800
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin
Message-ID: <4E389104E6A54D9A8F4C5381E93BE49E at RYPC>
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> You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and 
> inserting a roll pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.
> If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever 
> again.

That's what I did, using a grade 8 1/4-28 bolt and cutting off the threads
so the unthreaded shank went into the fork on both sides.? Also drilled the
hole a bit undersize, so it was a light press fit (tapped into place with
BFH).

But considering that the original taper pin lasted over 40 years, I doubt
I'll be around long enough to judge whether it's really any improvement or
not.

Don't forget to install a taper pin while drilling the fork and shaft; and
get the fork turned the right way.? My shaft has an extra hole for some
strange reason ...

-- Randall



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 06:54:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33
Message-ID: <644700223.79244.1581144840395 at mail.yahoo.com>
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Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

? ? On Friday, February 7, 2020, 02:03:33 PM EST, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:? 
 
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Today's Topics:

? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)
? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)
? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)
? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"


Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance
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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 
Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 
NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 
join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 
know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 
Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 
event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 
We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 
2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 
Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 
founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 
and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 
own show.? Find out more in the following link: 
https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0>*__*

*__*

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 
this year.? They are as follows:

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T
? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T
? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T
? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion
? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in
? ? Building R

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 
to apply can do so on www.CarlisleFeatures.com 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 


*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 
released them to be downloaded from the following links:

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 
please use this form:

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=38YieP1eQ6OfRB%2FasELoYCPUs5yEOSl5B0Js%2F84WWnQ%3D&reserved=0>

__

For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 
use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607702407&sdata=DdKnDkbwjYKFip8eItlxIFuWdvVZpu0lRQ0rT40%2BP2k%3D&reserved=0>

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If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 
reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 
with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 
for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 
during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 
or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 
free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 
track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 
an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 
your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 
page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 
Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 
your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 
If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 
Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 
include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 
concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 
phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 
sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

Ed

*email-logo***

*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

Fax: *717-243-0255*

1000 Bryn Mawr Road, Carlisle PA 17013

*CarlisleEvents.com <http://www.carlisleevents.com/>*| 
*CarlisleAuctions.com <http://www.carlisleauctions.com/>*

**

Event Schedule <http://www.carlisleevents.com/pdf/Event-Schedule.pdf> | 
Facebook 
<http://www.carlisleevents.com/join-the-conversation/default.aspx>|Twitter 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay
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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> ? Randall


I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500
From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>>? 
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 
>>? 
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>>? 
>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
>>? 
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>>? 
>>? 
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)
>>? 
>> Dave
>> 
>>? 
>>? 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> 
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>? 
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 
 to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>? 
>> Alex Thomson
>>? 
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>? 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>>? 
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:33:16 -0000
From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
To: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33
Message-ID: <14a1a433-cfcb-426f-9e2a-164eca648b7a at me.com>
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Go to this link to see photos from around the world from Drive Your Triumph Day 2019, 2018 & 2017. ?

https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com

Notice there are a number of photos of cars tucked in for the winter with the garage door open, or rolled out in the drive way for a quick photo, or in restoration. ?Have fun with it and participate even if you're in some nasty weather.

Regards,

Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE



On February 7, 2020 at 10:54 PM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!

Joe Mato
62 Wood Road
Redding, CT 06896
917 232 1555


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Today's Topics:

? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)
? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)
? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)
? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"


Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance
Message-ID: <d2d0635b-f072-a5b2-01bf-38ea89b1fcae at verizon.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"

Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 
Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 
NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 
join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 
know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 
Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 
event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 
We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 
2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 
Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 
founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 
and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 
own show.? Find out more in the following link: 
https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 
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*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

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? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion
? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in
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If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 
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for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 
during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 
or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 
free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 
track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 
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There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 
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include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 
concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 
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sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay
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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> ? Randall


I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500
From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>>? 
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 
>>? 
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>>? 
>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
>>? 
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>>? 
>>? 
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)
>>? 
>> Dave
>> 
>>? 
>>? 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> 
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>? 
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 
to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>? 
>> Alex Thomson
>>? 
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>? 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>>? 
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From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Feb  8 16:10:47 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 17:10:47 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR 10 Parts
References: <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$.ref@flash.net>
Message-ID: <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$@flash.net>

Where is a good source for TR10 parts?   Have a friend looking for the
rubber bonded mounting studs for the heater fan.

Thanks,

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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Sat Feb  8 16:12:55 2020
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:12:55 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33
In-Reply-To: <644700223.79244.1581144840395@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.16.1581102002.16685.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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How about today ? just back with nice ride in Casper  TR3


> On Feb 7, 2020, at 10:54 PM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!
> 
> Joe Mato
> 62 Wood Road
> Redding, CT 06896
> 917 232 1555
> 
> 
> On Friday, February 7, 2020, 02:03:33 PM EST, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> 

Bill & AnnaBelle

Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars




From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Sat Feb  8 16:22:31 2020
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 15:22:31 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34
In-Reply-To: <139066081.272029.1581200295370@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.10.1581188402.26216.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <139066081.272029.1581200295370@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001d5ded6$a42dcbd0$ec896370$@net>

I didn?t see it there, but the story is also on the Triumph Travelers Sports Car web site, http://www.triumphtravelers.org/ Look for it under quick links or go directly here: http://www.triumphtravelers.org/Triumph%20and%20Tragedy%20(3).pdf  for the PDF.

 

Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of JOSEPH MATO
Sent: Saturday, February 08, 2020 2:18 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34

 

John Black  There is an article by his son Nick that attempts to cover his life. He gives a good account called "John Black Triumph and Tragedy"                       www.triumphdvd.co.uk

 

Joe Mato

62 Wood Road

Redding, CT 06896

917 232 1555

 

 

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  1. clutch for pin (Sujit Roy)

  2. Re: clutch for pin (Irv Korey)

  3. Re: clutch for pin (John Innis)

  4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Paul Tegler)

  5. Re: clutch for pin (Randall)

  6. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (JOSEPH MATO)

  7. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (Rye Livingston)

  8. Re: clutch for pin (Brian Kemp)

 

 

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Message: 1

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:18:07 -0800

From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>

To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] clutch for pin

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I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph

than the original type.

Any recommendations USA side where I can get one.  I was not able to see

one on the Roadster factory. Only found across the pond Rimmers so far.

 

 

Sujit

 

-- 

Sujit Roy

Cupertino, California

 

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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:28:33 -0600

From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>

To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>

Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin

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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:19 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

 

> I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph

> than the original type.

> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno at gmail.com>

 

 

You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and inserting a roll

pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.

If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever again. There are

plenty of places on the Internet where you can

read/view this to see how it should be done. Easy peasy.

 

Irv Korey

74 TR6 CF22767U

Highland Park, IL

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Message: 3

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:29:24 -0600

From: John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com>

To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>

Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin

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Are you talking about the pivot pin, where the fork attaches to the

bellhousing, or the slave cyl push rod pivot?

For the pivot pin, I went to the local farm store and found a grade 8 bolt

that fit very nicely.  It has been in there a couple years now with no

issues.  I can't remember the exact diameter and length I bought but they

are pretty cheap.  Take the pin with you and get a couple different

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Message: 4

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:51 -0500

From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>

To: triumphs at autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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...simple home brew....? stretch out wax paper on a very flat table and 

tape it down. Put a very small bead of silicone sealer dow nthe gasket 

surface and lay it silicone side down on the wax paper. Let it dry. you 

cna then repeat this on the other side.

Now when you install the gasket you have a solid gasket to keep it in 

line and the little bead of silicone takes care of any surface 

imperfections.

I've now reused the same pan gasket 6 times and still no leaks or need 

to over tighten

 

side line ...almost bought JW's business when he offered. ...just didn't 

have the time???? :-)

 

ptegler

 

On 2/5/2020 6:16 PM, tom boggiano wrote:

> I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets. ?There were a couple of challenges 

> You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety 

> wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out

> 

> The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right

> 

> But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of 

> the non flat pan issues I had.

> 

> Tom

> 

> 

> 

>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <

 

 

 

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Message: 5

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:26:56 -0800

From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag at gmail.com>

Cc: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin

Message-ID: <4E389104E6A54D9A8F4C5381E93BE49E at RYPC>

Content-Type: text/plain;    charset="us-ascii"

 

 

> You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and 

> inserting a roll pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.

> If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever 

> again.

 

That's what I did, using a grade 8 1/4-28 bolt and cutting off the threads

so the unthreaded shank went into the fork on both sides.  Also drilled the

hole a bit undersize, so it was a light press fit (tapped into place with

BFH).

 

But considering that the original taper pin lasted over 40 years, I doubt

I'll be around long enough to judge whether it's really any improvement or

not.

 

Don't forget to install a taper pin while drilling the fork and shaft; and

get the fork turned the right way.  My shaft has an extra hole for some

strange reason ...

 

-- Randall

 

 

 

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Message: 6

Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 06:54:00 +0000 (UTC)

From: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>

To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33

Message-ID: <644700223.79244.1581144840395 at mail.yahoo.com>

Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

 

Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!

Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

 

    On Friday, February 7, 2020, 02:03:33 PM EST, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:  

 

Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to

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Today's Topics:

 

? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)

? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)

? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)

? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)

? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)

 

 

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Message: 1

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500

From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>

To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Craigslist

Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>

Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"

 

 

Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as

well as entire cars.

 

Ron L

 

 

 

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Message: 2

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500

From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>

To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance

Message-ID: <d2d0635b-f072-a5b2-01bf-38ea89b1fcae at verizon.net>

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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 

Carlisle Imports how in May

 

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 

NA Spit Squadron as

 

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 

join our growing display!

 

v/r

 

ptegler

 

**

 

*January Club Leader Update*

 

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

 

Dear Club Leader,

 

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 

know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 

Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 

event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 

We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

 

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 

2020!_*

 

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 

Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 

founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 

and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 

own show.? Find out more in the following link: 

https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals <https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020%20> &urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 

<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020 <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0> &data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0>*__*

 

*__*

 

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

 

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 

this year.? They are as follows:

 

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T

? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T

? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T

? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion

? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in

? ? Building R

 

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 

to apply can do so on www.CarlisleFeatures.com 

<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0> &data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 

 

 

*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

 

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 

released them to be downloaded from the following links:

 

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 

please use this form:

 

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf  <https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf%20> 

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For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 

use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

 

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf  <https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf%20> 

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If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 

reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

 

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

 

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 

Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 

with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 

for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 

during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 

or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 

free to reach out.

 

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

 

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 

track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 

an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

 

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

 

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 

your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 

page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 

Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 

your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 

If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 

Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 

include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 

Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

 

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 

concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 

phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 

sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

 

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

 

Ed

 

*email-logo***

 

*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

 

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

 

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

 

Fax: *717-243-0255*

 

1000 Bryn Mawr Road, Carlisle PA 17013

 

*CarlisleEvents.com <http://www.carlisleevents.com/>*| 

*CarlisleAuctions.com <http://www.carlisleauctions.com/>*

 

**

 

Event Schedule <http://www.carlisleevents.com/pdf/Event-Schedule.pdf> | 

Facebook 

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<https://twitter.com/CarlisleEvents>|YouTube 

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Message: 3

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>

To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay

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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.

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Message: 4

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800

From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>

To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> ? Randall

 

 

I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

 

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Message: 5

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500

From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>

To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

 

Tom

 

 

 

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> -- Randall

> 

>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?

>> Bill

>>? 

>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 

>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM

>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 

>>? 

>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.

>>? 

>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.

>>? 

>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

>>? 

>>? 

>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)

>>? 

>> Dave

>> 

>>? 

>>? 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>

>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>

>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>> 

>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

>>? 

>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 

to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

>>? 

>> Alex Thomson

>>? 

>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher

>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM

>> To: 'Triumphs'

>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

>>? 

>> Thanks,

>> Bill

>> TS30800L

>>? 

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Message: 7

Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:33:16 -0000

From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>

To: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33

Message-ID: <14a1a433-cfcb-426f-9e2a-164eca648b7a at me.com>

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Go to this link to see photos from around the world from Drive Your Triumph Day 2019, 2018 & 2017. ?

 

https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com

 

Notice there are a number of photos of cars tucked in for the winter with the garage door open, or rolled out in the drive way for a quick photo, or in restoration. ?Have fun with it and participate even if you're in some nasty weather.

 

Regards,

 

Rye Livingston

Activities Chairman

Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club

1960 Triumph TR3A

PH: 530-FIND-RYE

 

 

 

On February 7, 2020 at 10:54 PM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

 

Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!

 

Joe Mato

62 Wood Road

Redding, CT 06896

917 232 1555

 

 

On Friday, February 7, 2020, 02:03:33 PM EST, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:

 

 

Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to

??? triumphs at autox.team.net

 

To subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit

??? http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs

or, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to

??? triumphs-request at autox.team.net

 

You can reach the person managing the list at

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When replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specific

than "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."

 

 

Today's Topics:

 

? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)

? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)

? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)

? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)

? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)

 

 

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Message: 1

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500

From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>

To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Craigslist

Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>

Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"

 

 

Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as

well as entire cars.

 

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Message: 2

Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500

From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>

To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance

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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 

Carlisle Imports how in May

 

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 

NA Spit Squadron as

 

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 

join our growing display!

 

v/r

 

ptegler

 

**

 

*January Club Leader Update*

 

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

 

Dear Club Leader,

 

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 

know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 

Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 

event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 

We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

 

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 

2020!_*

 

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 

Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 

founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 

and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 

own show.? Find out more in the following link: 

https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals <https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020%20> &urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 

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*__*

 

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

 

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 

this year.? They are as follows:

 

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T

? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T

? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T

? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion

? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in

? ? Building R

 

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 

to apply can do so on http://www.CarlisleFeatures.com  <http://www.CarlisleFeatures.com%20> 

<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com <https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0> &data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 

 

 

*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

 

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 

released them to be downloaded from the following links:

 

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 

please use this form:

 

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf  <https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf%20> 

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For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 

use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

 

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf  <https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf%20> 

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__

 

If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 

reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

 

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

 

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 

Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 

with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 

for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 

during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 

or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 

free to reach out.

 

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

 

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 

track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 

an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

 

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

 

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 

your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 

page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 

Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 

your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 

If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 

Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 

include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 

Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

 

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 

concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 

phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 

sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

 

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

 

Ed

 

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*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

 

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

 

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

 

Fax: *717-243-0255*

 

1000 Bryn Mawr Road, Carlisle PA 17013

 

*CarlisleEvents.com <http://www.carlisleevents.com/>*| 

*CarlisleAuctions.com <http://www.carlisleauctions.com/>*

 

**

 

Event Schedule <http://www.carlisleevents.com/pdf/Event-Schedule.pdf> | 

Facebook 

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Message: 3

Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>

To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay

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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.

https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168

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Message: 4

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800

From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>

To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> ? Randall

 

 

I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

 

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Message: 5

Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500

From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>

To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>

Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,

??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net

Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

 

Tom

 

 

 

> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> 

> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.

> -- Randall

> 

>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?

>> Bill

>>? 

>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 

>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM

>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 

>>? 

>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.

>>? 

>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.

>>? 

>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.

>>? 

>>? 

>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)

>>? 

>> Dave

>> 

>>? 

>>? 

>> -----Original Message-----

>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>

>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>

>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm

>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>> 

>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.

>>? 

>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 

to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.

>>? 

>> Alex Thomson

>>? 

>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher

>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM

>> To: 'Triumphs'

>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?

>>? 

>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.

>>? 

>> Thanks,

>> Bill

>> TS30800L

>>? 

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Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 08:07:39 -0800 (GMT-08:00)

From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>

To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>, Triumphs

    <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Feb  8 16:49:38 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 17:49:38 -0600
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>
References: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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I probably see more older cars of interest on Facebook these days than
Craigslist, but as a buyer the lack of search parameters makes it very hit
or miss.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 9:36 AM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:

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> Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
> well as entire cars.
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> Ron L
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From ryel at mac.com  Sat Feb  8 18:44:32 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sun, 09 Feb 2020 01:44:32 -0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 34
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Remember when you go for a drive on Monday, February 10th, for Drive Your Triumph Day, take a photo of your car, and ideally you in it if possible, and send the hi-resolution file to DriveYourTriumphDay at gmail.com.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On February 8, 2020 at 2:18 PM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

John Black? There is an article by his son Nick that attempts to cover his life. He gives a good account called "John Black Triumph and Tragedy"? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ? ?http://www.triumphdvd.co.uk

Joe Mato
62 Wood Road
Redding, CT 06896
917 232 1555


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Today's Topics:

? 1. clutch for pin (Sujit Roy)
? 2. Re: clutch for pin (Irv Korey)
? 3. Re: clutch for pin (John Innis)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Paul Tegler)
? 5. Re: clutch for pin (Randall)
? 6. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (JOSEPH MATO)
? 7. Re: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33 (Rye Livingston)
? 8. Re: clutch for pin (Brian Kemp)


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Message: 1
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 12:18:07 -0800
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] clutch for pin
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I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph
than the original type.
Any recommendations USA side where I can get one.? I was not able to see
one on the Roadster factory. Only found across the pond Rimmers so far.


Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:28:33 -0600
From: Irv Korey <emanteno at comcast.net>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin
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On Fri, Feb 7, 2020 at 2:19 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> I've been deciding whether to fit a stronger clutch fork pin to my Triumph
> than the original type.
> <http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/emanteno at gmail.com>


You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and inserting a roll
pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.
If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever again. There are
plenty of places on the Internet where you can
read/view this to see how it should be done. Easy peasy.

Irv Korey
74 TR6 CF22767U
Highland Park, IL
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Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:29:24 -0600
From: John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com>
To: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin
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Are you talking about the pivot pin, where the fork attaches to the
bellhousing, or the slave cyl push rod pivot?
For the pivot pin, I went to the local farm store and found a grade 8 bolt
that fit very nicely.? It has been in there a couple years now with no
issues.? I can't remember the exact diameter and length I bought but they
are pretty cheap.? Take the pin with you and get a couple different
diameters and various lengths.
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Message: 4
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 15:31:51 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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...simple home brew....? stretch out wax paper on a very flat table and 
tape it down. Put a very small bead of silicone sealer dow nthe gasket 
surface and lay it silicone side down on the wax paper. Let it dry. you 
cna then repeat this on the other side.
Now when you install the gasket you have a solid gasket to keep it in 
line and the little bead of silicone takes care of any surface 
imperfections.
I've now reused the same pan gasket 6 times and still no leaks or need 
to over tighten

side line ...almost bought JW's business when he offered. ...just didn't 
have the time???? :-)

ptegler

On 2/5/2020 6:16 PM, tom boggiano wrote:
> I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets. ?There were a couple of challenges 
> You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety 
> wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out
>
> The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right
>
> But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of 
> the non flat pan issues I had.
>
> Tom
>
>
>
>> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <



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Message: 5
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 14:26:56 -0800
From: "Randall" <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
To: "'Sujit Roy'" <triumphstag at gmail.com>
Cc: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch for pin
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> You are better off cross drilling the shaft and fork, and 
> inserting a roll pin or bolt in there as well as the fork pin.
> If you do this, you will never have a broken fork pin ever 
> again.

That's what I did, using a grade 8 1/4-28 bolt and cutting off the threads
so the unthreaded shank went into the fork on both sides.? Also drilled the
hole a bit undersize, so it was a light press fit (tapped into place with
BFH).

But considering that the original taper pin lasted over 40 years, I doubt
I'll be around long enough to judge whether it's really any improvement or
not.

Don't forget to install a taper pin while drilling the fork and shaft; and
get the fork turned the right way.? My shaft has an extra hole for some
strange reason ...

-- Randall



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Message: 6
Date: Sat, 8 Feb 2020 06:54:00 +0000 (UTC)
From: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33
Message-ID: <644700223.79244.1581144840395 at mail.yahoo.com>
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Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

? ? On Friday, February 7, 2020, 02:03:33 PM EST, <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:? 

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Today's Topics:

? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)
? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)
? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)
? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"


Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance
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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 
Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 
NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 
join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 
know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 
Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 
event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 
We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 
2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 
Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 
founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 
and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 
own show.? Find out more in the following link: 
https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0>*__*

*__*

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 
this year.? They are as follows:

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T
? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T
? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T
? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion
? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in
? ? Building R

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 
to apply can do so on http://www.CarlisleFeatures.com 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 


*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 
released them to be downloaded from the following links:

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 
please use this form:

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=38YieP1eQ6OfRB%2FasELoYCPUs5yEOSl5B0Js%2F84WWnQ%3D&reserved=0>

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For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 
use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607702407&sdata=DdKnDkbwjYKFip8eItlxIFuWdvVZpu0lRQ0rT40%2BP2k%3D&reserved=0>

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If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 
reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 
with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 
for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 
during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 
or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 
free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 
track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 
an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 
your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 
page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 
Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 
your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 
If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 
Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 
include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 
concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 
phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 
sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

Ed

*email-logo***

*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

Fax: *717-243-0255*

1000 Bryn Mawr Road, Carlisle PA 17013

*CarlisleEvents.com <http://www.carlisleevents.com/>*| 
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**

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Facebook 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay
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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> ? Randall


I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500
From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>>? 
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 
>>? 
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>>? 
>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
>>? 
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>>? 
>>? 
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)
>>? 
>> Dave
>> 
>>? 
>>? 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> 
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>? 
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 
to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>? 
>> Alex Thomson
>>? 
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>? 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>>? 
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 08 Feb 2020 15:33:16 -0000
From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
To: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 33
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Go to this link to see photos from around the world from Drive Your Triumph Day 2019, 2018 & 2017. ?

https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com

Notice there are a number of photos of cars tucked in for the winter with the garage door open, or rolled out in the drive way for a quick photo, or in restoration. ?Have fun with it and participate even if you're in some nasty weather.

Regards,

Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
PH: 530-FIND-RYE



On February 7, 2020 at 10:54 PM, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

Monday 2-10-2020 is National Drive your Triumph Day. Time to fire it up and shake the dust off!

Joe Mato
62 Wood Road
Redding, CT 06896
917 232 1555


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? 1. Craigslist (Ron L'Herault)
? 2. Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance (Paul Tegler)
? 3. Group 44 Spitfire on eBay (Don Hiscock)
? 4. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (Darrell Walker)
? 5. Re: Oil Pan Sealer? (tom boggiano)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 14:10:41 -0500
From: "Ron L'Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
Message-ID: <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>
Content-Type: text/plain;??? charset="us-ascii"


Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L



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Message: 2
Date: Thu, 6 Feb 2020 23:19:15 -0500
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Carlisle Import & Performance
Message-ID: <d2d0635b-f072-a5b2-01bf-38ea89b1fcae at verizon.net>
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Hey all....? invites going out to any spit/GT6er's out there.... 
Carlisle Imports how in May

Even if you're only coming up for the main Saterday show field, list the 
NA Spit Squadron as

your club and come join us on the field! Any spits/GT6's are welcome to 
join our growing display!

v/r

ptegler

**

*January Club Leader Update*

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals ? May 15-17 _*

Dear Club Leader,

Hopefully you are staying warm and enjoyed the holidays!? Before you 
know it we will once again be in car show season.? Here at Carlisle 
Events, we are getting ready for what will hopefully be another great 
event and we have some exciting stuff for you to share with your club.? 
We also have some new clubs to welcome since the last club leader update.

*_Carlisle Import and Performance Nationals Supports Driven to Cure in 
2020!_*

As you may have seen right before the holidays, we are working with 
Driven to Cure to organize a memorial show within our show for its 
founder, Andrew Lee. Driven to Cure will have a display in Building Y 
and a dedicated Showfield near the pavilion for their show within our 
own show.? Find out more in the following link: 
https://www.carlisleevents.com/events/events-detail/index?id=import+and+performance+nationals&urlname=support-the-cause-in-2020 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fevents%2Fevents-detail%2Findex%3Fid%3Dimport%2Band%2Bperformance%2Bnationals%26urlname%3Dsupport-the-cause-in-2020&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607682427&sdata=nuXWvKYpsZNS5GJWq81qaF2dmSYpeXt7fYrjd76Azak%3D&reserved=0>*__*

*__*

*_2020 Displays Announced:_*

We will be hosting a number of displays, anniversaries, and reunions 
this year.? They are as follows:

? * 100 Years of Mazda in Building T
? * 50 Years of BBS in Building T
? * 50 Years of the Nissan Z / Datsun Z in Building T
? * The Annual Race Paddock in the Pavilion
? * Renault of Canada and Cars of Robert Opron (Citroens & Renaults) in
? ? Building R

Applications are now being accepted through Early March.? Those who wish 
to apply can do so on http://www.CarlisleFeatures.com 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.CarlisleFeatures.com&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=sPaLXZsMXkKhGWe%2BVzzHClCkbwp1n25aYTF%2BhSN7%2FI8%3D&reserved=0>. 


*_2020 Club Planning Packets and Tent Forms Now Available Online!_*

To avoid club tent forms from ending up in Spam Folders, we have now 
released them to be downloaded from the following links:

For Clubs that Met the 25 Car Requirement for a Free Tent Last Year 
please use this form:

https://www.carlisleevents.com/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-free.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607692416&sdata=38YieP1eQ6OfRB%2FasELoYCPUs5yEOSl5B0Js%2F84WWnQ%3D&reserved=0>

__

For Clubs that did not hit the 25 Car Requirement and new clubs, please 
use this form for the $180 Tent Rental:

https://www.carlisleeventscom/docs/default-source/import-performance-nationals/carlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf 
<https://nam02.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.carlisleevents.com%2Fdocs%2Fdefault-source%2Fimport-performance-nationals%2Fcarlisle-events-club-planning-kit-ipn-180.pdf&data=02%7C01%7CKenA%40carlisleevents.com%7Cd9f21705a9b4411a7ec408d799089d3d%7C391f7f7ff8be4ad0bbacb0652487540b%7C0%7C1%7C637146134607702407&sdata=DdKnDkbwjYKFip8eItlxIFuWdvVZpu0lRQ0rT40%2BP2k%3D&reserved=0>

__

If you?re unsure if your club hit 25 Cars in 2019, please feel free to 
reach out to me and we can look at your registrations.

*_2020 Import and Performance Nationals Flyers Available!_*

If you and/or your club would like a box of Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals flyers sent to you, please reply to this email 
with your mailing address and count needed.? These are not only great 
for keeping your members in the loop on your attendance at the show 
during club meetings but also for goody bag inserts for your club?s show 
or upcoming meet!? We have a couple thousand in stock right now so feel 
free to reach out.

*_New Track Activity Coming Soon!_*

Thanks to many survey responses over the off-season, 2020 will see new 
track activities and you don?t have to have a racecar to compete!? Keep 
an eye on our social media feeds and our website for the coming release!

*_We want to connect with your Club?s Facebook Pages and Events!_*

There is no denying Facebook has become a medium that many of you and 
your members use to communicate on daily basis.? We want to connect our 
page with your club and your club?s Event Page for the Import and 
Performance Nationals.? Our social media team is looking to connect so 
your club has the latest info and can answer questions quickly for you.? 
If you have a club Facebook Page or Group, please share it with 
Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:Clubs at CarlisleEvents.com> so we can 
include you in this program.? This includes your Carlisle Import and 
Performance Nationals Facebook events that many of you have already setup!

In closing and as always, if you have any questions comments or 
concerns, my door is always open.? Feel free to reach out via email or 
phone as well as stop in if you are in the area.? We are here to make 
sure your club has the best time possible at our event!

Thank you and I look forward to seeing you in May!!

Ed

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*Ed Buczeskie*| /Event Manager/

Email: EdB at CarlisleEvents.com <mailto:edb at carlisleevents.com>

Office: *717-243-7855 x131*

Fax: *717-243-0255*

1000 Bryn Mawr Road, Carlisle PA 17013

*CarlisleEvents.com <http://www.carlisleevents.com/>*| 
*CarlisleAuctions.com <http://www.carlisleauctions.com/>*

**

Event Schedule <http://www.carlisleevents.com/pdf/Event-Schedule.pdf> | 
Facebook 
<http://www.carlisleevents.com/join-the-conversation/default.aspx>|Twitter 
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Message: 3
Date: Fri, 7 Feb 2020 06:16:30 -0600
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Group 44 Spitfire on eBay
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For everyone's info.? This is a fun one.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/124069288168
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Message: 4
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 15:02:16 -0800
From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
To: Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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> On Feb 5, 2020, at 2:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> ? Randall


I actually have one of Justin?s gaskets on my car.? It came with some spring-loaded bolts (Thackary?) and safety wire.? It seems to work well.? Mine is on an alloy sump.? I don?t think he ever made/sold many.

-Darrell

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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 5 Feb 2020 18:16:20 -0500
From: tom boggiano <tboggiano at gmail.com>
To: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>,
??? DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>, aljlthomson at charter.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
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I had on of Justin?s sump gaskets.? There were a couple of challenges You could not over tighten the bolts and therefore there was a safety wire that had to be used to keep the bolts from backing out 

The pan is a bit lower and the slave cylinder bracket was not quite right 

But, the kit came with all the parts to install and it took care of the non flat pan issues I had.? 

Tom



> On Feb 5, 2020, at 5:47 PM, Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> ?I know Justin Wagner tried to do a silicone TR2-4 pan gasket, and it didn't work out. Not sure what the issue was. He did mention the need for steel inserts to keep the gasket from being crushed, which might mean a thicker gasket and problems with things that bolt to the bottom of the pan (like the clutch slave brace). But that's just a guess, I never heard the details.
> -- Randall
> 
>> On 5 February 2020 07:21:52 GMT-08:00, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>> Thanks Dave, I was thinking about Joe too.? Joe, how about it?
>> Bill
>>? 
>> From: DAVID MASSEY [mailto:dave1massey at cs.com] 
>> Sent: Wednesday, February 5, 2020 7:26 AM
>> To: aljlthomson at charter.net; bill_beecher at flash.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> A couple advisories about using RTV that I have picked up over the years. 
>>? 
>> Not all RTV sealants are the same.? Some are oil resistant and others are not.? "Automotive" RTV may not be oil resistant and are intended for sealing windshields and such.? Check the manufacturer's website.? Ultra Black, I believe, is oil resistant.? None, as far as I know, are gasoline resistant.
>>? 
>> When? using RTV sealants, apply an even bead and assemble the parts loosely and let the sealant partially set before tightening.? This will reduce the tendency for the sealant to ooze out strings and dingleberries which can clog the oil passages in the engine causing all manner of expensive problems.
>>? 
>> When using RTV in the absence of a gasket lay a piece of thread or string along the joint to prevent metal-to-metal contact ensuring that there is a layer of sealant at all points along the joint.
>>? 
>>? 
>> As for me, I prefer to use Formagasket #2 on one side to stick the gasket (more or less) permanently to one part and Hylomar non hardening to allow for easy removal/resintallation.? Until Joe Alexander produces a silicone sump gasket I will continue to do so.? ;-)
>>? 
>> Dave
>> 
>>? 
>>? 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
>> To: 'bill beecher' <bill_beecher at flash.net>; 'Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Sent: Tue, Feb 4, 2020 7:18 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>> 
>> I have had good results with Permatex ?Ultra Black? gasket maker. Part # 82180. I seem to remember that years ago, there was only Permatex #1 which was hardening and #2 which remained slightly pliable. Now, it seems that there is a gasket goop for white cars travelling north with 6 cyl. engines, a different product for dark color cars travelling east with 4 cyl. engines,? etc., etc. The choices on the rack at the local NAPA store can be overwhelming, just like the varieties of Loctite that you can buy.
>>? 
>> I have found that many gaskets for tractor restoration are no longer available from anyone and that the gasket-in-a-tube is the only alternative. Sometimes, it is one casting being sealed against another casting ? in those cases, a very small bead is needed. When there is a pressed steel cover being assembled to a casting, you know that there will be much more of a chance for a warped or bent interface which will require a thicker bead. But we all know that many engine and other drivetrain problems are the result of excess gasket goop becoming entangled into suction screens, bearings, oil galleries and other places. Truthfully, I always get very nervous when I am repairing somebody?s tractor or whatever and I see ribbons of blue RTV sealer inside of a compartment. I?m sure that many leaks are the result of deformed oil pans, valve covers, tappet covers, etc. due to a previous ?mechanic? overtightening bolts. ?If 20 ft.-lbs. are good, then 40 must be better? Unless you have access 
to a granite or cast iron surface plate, it can be difficult to determine if an oil pan is warped. Years ago when I was teaching in the shop, I would use the surface of our big table saw (all cast iron) as a makeshift surface plate when checking small parts for flatness.
>>? 
>> Alex Thomson
>>? 
>> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of bill beecher
>> Sent: Tuesday, February 04, 2020 7:32 PM
>> To: 'Triumphs'
>> Subject: [TR] Oil Pan Sealer?
>>? 
>> Replacing the TR3 oil pan after a fresh powder coating and wondering about the best sealer.? My first thought is a bead of RTV on each side of the gasket, what is the collective wisdom of the List on this?? BTW, both surfaces are in excellent condition.
>>? 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill
>> TS30800L
>>? 
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sun Feb  9 04:31:26 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 11:31:26 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR 10 Parts
In-Reply-To: <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$@flash.net>
References: <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$.ref@flash.net>
 <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <A46ACA70-5B39-4A52-8EA3-D6EA8D565438@Ukpips.org.uk>

Standard Motor Club in U.K. has an effective parts operation. Access via their website.

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL

> On 8 Feb 2020, at 23:10, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> 
> Where is a good source for TR10 parts?   Have a friend looking for the rubber bonded mounting studs for the heater fan.
> Thanks,
> Bill
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Feb  9 09:29:16 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 10:29:16 -0600
Subject: [TR] totally off topic
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But I thought you might enjoy this

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From PeterAra at msn.com  Sun Feb  9 10:18:00 2020
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 17:18:00 +0000
Subject: [TR] Replying to a thread
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB3564836398DB947397CFE6E6C11E0@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

PLEASE!!!! do NOT just reply when you want to respond to a digest version.  The entire discussion for that digest goes out with your response.  Today I received a digest version with at least three full digests included.  This is a regular occurance, too.  Please, send a separate reply with the oriiingal suject line to the list and, if you want, cc to the original sender.
Thank you
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sun Feb  9 11:05:45 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 18:05:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3ab7_Jtqf9DoXB_cHhsH2sS8H70t__suMHMTUM+kB9o96Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <008301d5dd21$205861a0$610924e0$@net>
 <CAFtw3ab7_Jtqf9DoXB_cHhsH2sS8H70t__suMHMTUM+kB9o96Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1678330300.343249.1581271545444@mail.yahoo.com>

 is there a way to list on craigslist nationally rather than just local list?


    On Saturday, February 8, 2020, 03:50:04 PM PST, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 I probably see more older cars of interest on Facebook these days than Craigslist, but as a buyer the lack of search parameters makes it very hit or miss.
Greg Lemon?TR250
On Sat, Feb 8, 2020, 9:36 AM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:


Facebook Marketplace may be filling the need for a place to sell parts as
well as entire cars.

Ron L

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From zoboherald at aol.com  Sun Feb  9 14:47:45 2020
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Sun, 9 Feb 2020 21:47:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR 10 Parts
In-Reply-To: <A46ACA70-5B39-4A52-8EA3-D6EA8D565438@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$.ref@flash.net>
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 <A46ACA70-5B39-4A52-8EA3-D6EA8D565438@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <1578314274.528195.1581284865688@mail.yahoo.com>

 I'm pretty sure you have to be a member of SMC to participate, but it's worth it; support your local (and international) clubs! :D
--AndyAndrew Mace
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>

Standard Motor Club in U.K. has an effective parts operation. Access via their website.
Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL
On 8 Feb 2020, at 23:10, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:



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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Feb 10 09:19:21 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:21 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR 10 Parts
In-Reply-To: <1578314274.528195.1581284865688@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$.ref@flash.net>
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Message-ID: <000001d5e02d$da8a8940$8f9f9bc0$@flash.net>

Nice site, it let me browse their parts but a membership is required to purchase.  Did not find the fan mounting bushings so the search continues.  Struck out at Rimmer this morning too??..

 

Bill

 

From: Andrew S. Mace [mailto:zoboherald at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 3:48 PM
To: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk; wbeech at flash.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 10 Parts

 

I'm pretty sure you have to be a member of SMC to participate, but it's worth it; support your local (and international) clubs! :D

 

--Andy

Andrew Mace

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> >

Standard Motor Club in U.K. has an effective parts operation. Access via their website. 

 

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL


On 8 Feb 2020, at 23:10, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote:

Where is a good source for TR10 parts?   Have a friend looking for the rubber bonded mounting studs for the heater fan.

Thanks,

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Feb 10 09:19:21 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 10:19:21 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR 10 Parts
In-Reply-To: <1578314274.528195.1581284865688@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <000201d5ded4$ffcc4db0$ff64e910$.ref@flash.net>
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 <1578314274.528195.1581284865688@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001d5e02d$da8a8940$8f9f9bc0$@flash.net>

Nice site, it let me browse their parts but a membership is required to purchase.  Did not find the fan mounting bushings so the search continues.  Struck out at Rimmer this morning too??..

 

Bill

 

From: Andrew S. Mace [mailto:zoboherald at aol.com] 
Sent: Sunday, February 9, 2020 3:48 PM
To: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk; wbeech at flash.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 10 Parts

 

I'm pretty sure you have to be a member of SMC to participate, but it's worth it; support your local (and international) clubs! :D

 

--Andy

Andrew Mace

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> >

Standard Motor Club in U.K. has an effective parts operation. Access via their website. 

 

Jonmac

Whenever I feel the need for exercise, experience has shown me it is better to lie down until the feeling goes away. WINSTON CHURCHILL


On 8 Feb 2020, at 23:10, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net <mailto:wbeech at flash.net> > wrote:

Where is a good source for TR10 parts?   Have a friend looking for the rubber bonded mounting studs for the heater fan.

Thanks,

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 10:13:35 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 11:13:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3ab7_Jtqf9DoXB_cHhsH2sS8H70t__suMHMTUM+kB9o96Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAbbxp6KoahAMAMSBG6hc7zNOG4+mmzdf+D6eXiPAgHxA@mail.gmail.com>

Here are a pair of TR3As on CL.  They still show up.
https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/lake-elsinore-two-triumph-tr3-roadsters/7071198584.html
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Mon Feb 10 11:30:57 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 13:30:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAbbxp6KoahAMAMSBG6hc7zNOG4+mmzdf+D6eXiPAgHxA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Don,

Looks like they may be able to be restored but 12 grand? They are 
totally shot from inside and out. And I bet the engines are seized up as 
well. Looks to be a total replacement of everything but the body and 
frame. Even if you do it yourself it will take a lot more than 12 grand 
to do just one. Are restored 3's getting upwards of 20K?

And are the younger kids interested in a total restoration?

Based on who I see at car shows and car hops, the 20 - 50 year range are 
not a bit interested in the classics either US or European. They only 
seem to like the small Hondas with those huge mufflers.

I wonder from time to time what will happen to my 3 Triumphs when I am 
too old to drive them. At least they look nice and are in good condition.

Bob

On 2/10/20 12:13 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> Here are a pair of TR3As on CL.? They still show up.
> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/lake-elsinore-two-triumph-tr3-roadsters/7071198584.html 
>
>
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Feb 10 11:34:31 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:34:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <41d68384-d898-934f-8958-a0b86834f11f@adelphia.net>
References: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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All true, Bob. But they are from California's Central Valley, so body
shells likely better than most.

Posted mainly for those following the earlier discussion that Craigslist
was seeming to be dead as far as vintage TRs goes.

On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:30 PM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Don,
>
> Looks like they may be able to be restored but 12 grand? They are totally
> shot from inside and out. And I bet the engines are seized up as well.
> Looks to be a total replacement of everything but the body and frame. Even
> if you do it yourself it will take a lot more than 12 grand to do just one.
> Are restored 3's getting upwards of 20K?
>
> And are the younger kids interested in a total restoration?
>
> Based on who I see at car shows and car hops, the 20 - 50 year range are
> not a bit interested in the classics either US or European. They only seem
> to like the small Hondas with those huge mufflers.
>
> I wonder from time to time what will happen to my 3 Triumphs when I am too
> old to drive them. At least they look nice and are in good condition.
>
> Bob
> On 2/10/20 12:13 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
>
> Here are a pair of TR3As on CL.  They still show up.
>
> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/lake-elsinore-two-triumph-tr3-roadsters/7071198584.html
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Feb 10 11:52:17 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:52:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDP7ZVQWB5fBkiYMx73uGsrygXNixuQT9b5qCiHTa_6zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDP7ZVQWB5fBkiYMx73uGsrygXNixuQT9b5qCiHTa_6zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82BBD2AC-EFE5-4690-A51D-5A8D4833A109@flash.net>

Thanks Don, it does say ?or offer?, maybe someone will pick them up for around $7500.  Two to make one?  A good amateur restoration should be able to bring $20+. 

Bill
TS30800L

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
All true, Bob. But they are from California's Central Valley, so body shells likely better than most.

Posted mainly for those following the earlier discussion that Craigslist was seeming to be dead as far as vintage TRs goes.

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:30 PM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Don,
> 
> Looks like they may be able to be restored but 12 grand? They are totally shot from inside and out. And I bet the engines are seized up as well. Looks to be a total replacement of everything but the body and frame. Even if you do it yourself it will take a lot more than 12 grand to do just one. Are restored 3's getting upwards of 20K?
> 
> And are the younger kids interested in a total restoration? 
> 
> Based on who I see at car shows and car hops, the 20 - 50 year range are not a bit interested in the classics either US or European. They only seem to like the small Hondas with those huge mufflers. 
> 
> I wonder from time to time what will happen to my 3 Triumphs when I am too old to drive them. At least they look nice and are in good condition.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On 2/10/20 12:13 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
>> Here are a pair of TR3As on CL.  They still show up.
>> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/lake-elsinore-two-triumph-tr3-roadsters/7071198584.html 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Feb 10 11:52:17 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 12:52:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDP7ZVQWB5fBkiYMx73uGsrygXNixuQT9b5qCiHTa_6zQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDP7ZVQWB5fBkiYMx73uGsrygXNixuQT9b5qCiHTa_6zQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <82BBD2AC-EFE5-4690-A51D-5A8D4833A109@flash.net>

Thanks Don, it does say ?or offer?, maybe someone will pick them up for around $7500.  Two to make one?  A good amateur restoration should be able to bring $20+. 

Bill
TS30800L

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Feb 10, 2020, at 12:35 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 

?
All true, Bob. But they are from California's Central Valley, so body shells likely better than most.

Posted mainly for those following the earlier discussion that Craigslist was seeming to be dead as far as vintage TRs goes.

> On Mon, Feb 10, 2020 at 12:30 PM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> Don,
> 
> Looks like they may be able to be restored but 12 grand? They are totally shot from inside and out. And I bet the engines are seized up as well. Looks to be a total replacement of everything but the body and frame. Even if you do it yourself it will take a lot more than 12 grand to do just one. Are restored 3's getting upwards of 20K?
> 
> And are the younger kids interested in a total restoration? 
> 
> Based on who I see at car shows and car hops, the 20 - 50 year range are not a bit interested in the classics either US or European. They only seem to like the small Hondas with those huge mufflers. 
> 
> I wonder from time to time what will happen to my 3 Triumphs when I am too old to drive them. At least they look nice and are in good condition.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On 2/10/20 12:13 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
>> Here are a pair of TR3As on CL.  They still show up.
>> https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/lake-elsinore-two-triumph-tr3-roadsters/7071198584.html 
>>  
>> 
>> 
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> 
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Feb 10 12:26:37 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 14:26:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAbbxp6KoahAMAMSBG6hc7zNOG4+mmzdf+D6eXiPAgHxA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <008401d5e048$04023ba0$0c06b2e0$@charter.net>

Ooh Boy ? Where would you start on a project like that? 

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Monday, February 10, 2020 12:14 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] Craigslist

 

Here are a pair of TR3As on CL.  They still show up.

https://inlandempire.craigslist.org/pts/d/lake-elsinore-two-triumph-tr3-roadsters/7071198584.html 

 

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Feb 10 16:24:10 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 15:24:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
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> All true, Bob. But they are from California's Central Valley, 
> so body shells likely better than most.

Funny, I didn't see any place it said where the "barn" was located.  The
cars are in CA now, but that doesn't mean the "barn" wasn't in the rust
belt.

Yes, I see the black plate, and know what it means.  I've also seen CA black
plate TR3s in Minnesota and Indiana.  Left the one in MN, it was too badly
rusted for my meager abilities.  But I bought the one in Indiana, it had
some major rust issues even back in 1976.  Also mechanical issues, seems the
previous owner never bothered to even change the oil.  He apparently drove
it until it wouldn't run any more, then abandoned it in his Mom's backyard.

I'm not complaining, the price was right and I had a lot of fun with it.
But "California car" don't mean squat.

-- Randall in California


From terryrs at comcast.net  Mon Feb 10 17:50:32 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Mon, 10 Feb 2020 19:50:32 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Craigslist
In-Reply-To: <C1A9CDC6CDF84714BC4C13D5942ED8B3@RYPC>
References: <mailman.9.1581015602.6975.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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You're all pretty much in the know about this, but for discussion sake:

My TR3 was in much worse shape.  Completely froze, both brakes and engine.  Body rust.  A tiny bit of frame welding.  Took over $16k to bring back (in 2004).  But the car (complete with 3 inches of racoon poop in the engine bay) only cost $500.  

This kind of job is for people who love/want the car.





> On February 10, 2020 at 6:24 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
> > All true, Bob. But they are from California's Central Valley, 
> > so body shells likely better than most.
> 
> Funny, I didn't see any place it said where the "barn" was located.  The
> cars are in CA now, but that doesn't mean the "barn" wasn't in the rust
> belt.
> 
> Yes, I see the black plate, and know what it means.  I've also seen CA black
> plate TR3s in Minnesota and Indiana.  Left the one in MN, it was too badly
> rusted for my meager abilities.  But I bought the one in Indiana, it had
> some major rust issues even back in 1976.  Also mechanical issues, seems the
> previous owner never bothered to even change the oil.  He apparently drove
> it until it wouldn't run any more, then abandoned it in his Mom's backyard.
> 
> I'm not complaining, the price was right and I had a lot of fun with it.
> But "California car" don't mean squat.
> 
> -- Randall in California
> 
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com  Tue Feb 11 12:37:07 2020
From: bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher)
Date: Tue, 11 Feb 2020 14:37:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumph in the WSJ today
Message-ID: <5653b88b-14db-6ab4-1859-44a98091db51@blakedischer.com>

Triumph TR3 in the news, this time in The Wall Street Journal today:
https://www.wsj.com/articles/they-used-to-need-permission-to-drive-this-classic-british-car-11581431337

Best,
Blake
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Wed Feb 12 17:09:46 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 16:09:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange
Message-ID: <000001d5e201$e8fce470$baf6ad50$@cox.net>

Does anybody have a link or guide to X-Ref. Triumph TR2-6 gearboxes for part
numbers and interchange?

 

Had mangled TR6 gearbox come into the shop last year and have 4 broken TR3
gearboxes (one with a very low TS number +/- 7000) the other 3 with numbers
ranging from TS40000 to TS 59000, and a finally a TR4 Gearbox with a CT
number.

 

The TR4 box and the Low TS number box are both overdrive.

 

All the boxes are pretty well mangled and incomplete, but I reckon between
the 6 of them, I may be able to get both of the Overdrive boxes and maybe
one of the other ones in working order.  

 

I know the basic obvious differences between them, but am curious as to what
parts are interchangeable between them and which ones aren't, particularly
as it relates to the gears, sliding hubs, mainshafts and shifter mechanisms.

 

Jonas

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From zoboherald at aol.com  Wed Feb 12 17:24:10 2020
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 00:24:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumph in the WSJ today
In-Reply-To: <5653b88b-14db-6ab4-1859-44a98091db51@blakedischer.com>
References: <5653b88b-14db-6ab4-1859-44a98091db51@blakedischer.com>
Message-ID: <883738662.2261171.1581553450253@mail.yahoo.com>

 Well, the first few sentences seemed interesting enough. However, for those of us who don't subscribe to WSJ online or otherwise.... :(
--Andy Mace
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Blake J. Discher <bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Feb 11, 2020 2:37 pm
Subject: [TR] Triumph in the WSJ today

  Triumph TR3 in the news, this time in The Wall Street Journal today:
 https://www.wsj.com/articles/they-used-to-need-permission-to-drive-this-classic-british-car-11581431337
 
 Best,
 Blake
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Feb 12 17:53:45 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 19:53:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange
In-Reply-To: <000001d5e201$e8fce470$baf6ad50$@cox.net>
References: <000001d5e201$e8fce470$baf6ad50$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <006001d5e208$0bbd51b0$2337f510$@charter.net>

Sounds like you need the factory parts manuals for all of those models. Even
that can be a challenge when part #'s are superseded but aren't reflected in
the older publications.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of
jpaynepbr at cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 7:10 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange

 

Does anybody have a link or guide to X-Ref. Triumph TR2-6 gearboxes for part
numbers and interchange?

 

Had mangled TR6 gearbox come into the shop last year and have 4 broken TR3
gearboxes (one with a very low TS number +/- 7000) the other 3 with numbers
ranging from TS40000 to TS 59000, and a finally a TR4 Gearbox with a CT
number.

 

The TR4 box and the Low TS number box are both overdrive.

 

All the boxes are pretty well mangled and incomplete, but I reckon between
the 6 of them, I may be able to get both of the Overdrive boxes and maybe
one of the other ones in working order.  

 

I know the basic obvious differences between them, but am curious as to what
parts are interchangeable between them and which ones aren't, particularly
as it relates to the gears, sliding hubs, mainshafts and shifter mechanisms.

 

Jonas

 

 

 

 

 

 

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Feb 12 22:23:38 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 12 Feb 2020 21:23:38 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange
In-Reply-To: <006001d5e208$0bbd51b0$2337f510$@charter.net>
References: <000001d5e201$e8fce470$baf6ad50$@cox.net>
 <006001d5e208$0bbd51b0$2337f510$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <0F607F293F8F4379A2141FC12B4495AB@RYPC>

> Sounds like you need the factory parts manuals for all of 
> those models. 

Which you can find (and download) here
https://is.gd/qAcphe

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Feb 13 04:48:33 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 06:48:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange
In-Reply-To: <0F607F293F8F4379A2141FC12B4495AB@RYPC>
References: <000001d5e201$e8fce470$baf6ad50$@cox.net>
 <006001d5e208$0bbd51b0$2337f510$@charter.net>
 <0F607F293F8F4379A2141FC12B4495AB@RYPC>
Message-ID: <000f01d5e263$856bc590$904350b0$@charter.net>

Wow! What a collection! This demonstrates how great this list and its
members are.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Randall
Sent: Thursday, February 13, 2020 12:24 AM
To: jpaynepbr at cox.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange

> Sounds like you need the factory parts manuals for all of 
> those models. 

Which you can find (and download) here
https://is.gd/qAcphe

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Feb 13 10:21:22 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 09:21:22 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange
In-Reply-To: <0F607F293F8F4379A2141FC12B4495AB@RYPC>
References: <000001d5e201$e8fce470$baf6ad50$@cox.net>
 <006001d5e208$0bbd51b0$2337f510$@charter.net>
 <0F607F293F8F4379A2141FC12B4495AB@RYPC>
Message-ID: <000001d5e292$05945f10$10bd1d30$@cox.net>

Wow, Thanks Randall!

Jonas


-----Original Message-----
From: Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, February 12, 2020 9:24 PM
To: jpaynepbr at cox.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Tr3 and TR4 Gearbox part numbers and interchange

> Sounds like you need the factory parts manuals for all of those 
> models.

Which you can find (and download) here
https://is.gd/qAcphe

-- Randall
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 



From dspeed at 4speeds.net  Thu Feb 13 15:26:01 2020
From: dspeed at 4speeds.net (Dave Speed)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 14:26:01 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR Resource Link
Message-ID: <1659c713-aa1f-d078-6412-51629054b09e@4speeds.net>


What a great link!? I had forgotten about that.

Does anybody have something similar for the old Land Rover Series?

Dave

1955 TR-3 since 1968.


From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Feb 13 18:07:18 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 17:07:18 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tr3/4 Cylinder Head Stud question
Message-ID: <001001d5e2d3$1cb776a0$562663e0$@cox.net>

I recently pulled the head off of my '59 TR3 as part of an overall
inspection and oil re-seal (hahaha!).

 

Engine was rebuilt about 8 years ago and only has about 8k on it.

 

Head studs were all replaced at the time of the rebuild.  

 

All studs were easily removed with the exception of the front RH one, which
was corroded and wet.

 

>From a coolant perspective, there was absolutely  nothing wrong - no lost
coolant, no overheating, no seeping, in fact the car ran reliably at 165
degrees regardless of temperature outside, so steady in fact that I doubted
the temp gauge and checked all the time with an infra red thermometer -
always 165.

 

Is this stud supposed to be "wet" or do I have an internal crack somewhere
that isn't leaking to the outside?   Wouldn't it have leaked past the head
bolt and washer when hot?

 

Jonas 

 

 

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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Thu Feb 13 19:37:59 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 19:37:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR Resource Link
In-Reply-To: <1659c713-aa1f-d078-6412-51629054b09e@4speeds.net>
References: <1659c713-aa1f-d078-6412-51629054b09e@4speeds.net>
Message-ID: <8141c921-27c6-029a-d007-25ee08eb404f@gmail.com>

On 2/13/20 3:26 PM, Dave Speed wrote:
>
> What a great link!?? I had forgotten about that.
>
> Does anybody have something similar for the old Land Rover Series?
>
> Dave 

I didn't pay attention enough to follow the first link. I think it might 
have had something to do about manuals, but every Series Truck owner 
should have their own factory workshop manual and a driver's handbook 
for their year truck.


But if you are just looking for odd info & pictures, especially about 
Dormobiles, there is always my LR web site:

http://www.expeditionlandrover.info

Not to be confused with my TR3 related web site:

http://www.tr3a.info

TeriAnn

-- 

Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and 
Canada <http://overlandtravel.us>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Feb 13 20:33:43 2020
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 13 Feb 2020 19:33:43 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tr3/4 Cylinder Head Stud question
In-Reply-To: <001001d5e2d3$1cb776a0$562663e0$@cox.net>
References: <001001d5e2d3$1cb776a0$562663e0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1C4650DE-BC2F-4EA7-B516-EE03DD085269@ca.rr.com>

It should not be wet, you've got a leak somewhere.
Might or might not leak past the nut, ordinary antifreeze has a mild stop leak that can seal tiny leaks (like threads).
-- Randall

On 13 February 2020 17:07:18 GMT-08:00, jpaynepbr at cox.net wrote:
>I recently pulled the head off of my '59 TR3 as part of an overall
>inspection and oil re-seal (hahaha!).
>
> 
>
>Engine was rebuilt about 8 years ago and only has about 8k on it.
>
> 
>
>Head studs were all replaced at the time of the rebuild.  
>
> 
>
>All studs were easily removed with the exception of the front RH one,
>which
>was corroded and wet.
>
> 
>
>From a coolant perspective, there was absolutely  nothing wrong - no
>lost
>coolant, no overheating, no seeping, in fact the car ran reliably at
>165
>degrees regardless of temperature outside, so steady in fact that I
>doubted
>the temp gauge and checked all the time with an infra red thermometer -
>always 165.
>
> 
>
>Is this stud supposed to be "wet" or do I have an internal crack
>somewhere
>that isn't leaking to the outside?   Wouldn't it have leaked past the
>head
>bolt and washer when hot?
>
> 
>
>Jonas 
>
> 
>
> 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sun Feb 16 11:30:54 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sun, 16 Feb 2020 10:30:54 -0800
Subject: [TR] Timing chain guide TR7 / Stag
Message-ID: <CANLCLaFoNhS=NVg8gRgAX+1z9pRyu6PdykKdPjv07xcxXSQmqw@mail.gmail.com>

[image: 20200216_100857.jpg]

This is a guide for a timing chain. It basically slides up and down. This
photo came from the parts catalog. I'm wondering should there be a spring /
lock washer between bolt head and flat washer? If not, do I apply lock-tile
on bolt to prevent it from undoing?
Sujit


-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 09:07:56 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 11:07:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
Message-ID: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>

Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
there?  
Thanks
Jim Henningsen  
Ocala FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8



From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Mon Feb 17 09:11:23 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 11:11:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7ce347f0-70a1-6bba-b654-25f8eb74e43a@adelphia.net>

Jim,

Have you tried Ebay or Craigslist? Used to be plenty of stuff like that 
in the past.

Bob

On 2/17/20 11:07 AM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
> fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
> quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
> England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
> expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
> one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
> know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
> there?
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
>
>
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Feb 17 10:15:47 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 11:15:47 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000001d5e5b5$e658fad0$b30af070$@flash.net>

IF you elongate the hole a little to fit, it will be hidden.  It will still
be a snug fit as the posts will occupy the maximum length.  If still unsure
you could repack the void with some clear JB Weld or other filler.
Bill B
TS30800L

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 10:08 AM
To: 'Triumphs' <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
there?  
Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8


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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Mon Feb 17 10:28:44 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:28:44 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <000001d5e5b5$e658fad0$b30af070$@flash.net>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
 <000001d5e5b5$e658fad0$b30af070$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <43C35461-66CC-41CD-A32D-1004B7CEB718@Ukpips.org.uk>

I agree with Bill Beecher. Elongate one of the holes with a round needle file and then touch in the bare metal with a small dab of of body colour to impede rust. The retaining spire clips will hold it tight and snug.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 17 Feb 2020, at 17:15, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> 
> IF you elongate the hole a little to fit, it will be hidden.  It will still
> be a snug fit as the posts will occupy the maximum length.  If still unsure
> you could repack the void with some clear JB Weld or other filler.
> Bill B
> TS30800L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
> Henningsen
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 10:08 AM
> To: 'Triumphs' <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
> 
> Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
> fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
> quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
> England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
> expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
> one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
> know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
> there?  
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
> 
> 
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 10:30:39 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 11:30:39 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAEB+0mt0jJczGFMSA+4TYmN+TJhCiFXxVfr9tKXS2rSw@mail.gmail.com>

The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B (not the
original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five years ago) are
slightly out of round.  The original style inserts would never have
worked.  For a few years I had the flat spring speed nuts on the mounting
posts, and the badge was tight with no movement.  But I hate those things.

A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts on my
reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts and plastic
washers.  It accomodates the slightly out-of-round holes quite well.  I'm
very happy with this approach and would recommend it for anyone who thinks
it might make sense for their car.

Don
Saint Louis
1962 TR3B

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
> fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
> quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
> England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
> expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
> one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes.
> I
> know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
> there?
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
>
>
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Mon Feb 17 11:15:04 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:15:04 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAEB+0mt0jJczGFMSA+4TYmN+TJhCiFXxVfr9tKXS2rSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
 <CAPK7CFAEB+0mt0jJczGFMSA+4TYmN+TJhCiFXxVfr9tKXS2rSw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <556b2aef-9de8-5241-8129-d82cf43f6bcf@rmi.net>

Is it possible to use some good heavy duty double sided tape?? Or is the 
badge too heavy for that?? i know I have heard of it being used in some 
places.
Roger

On 2/17/2020 11:30 AM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B (not the 
> original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five years ago) are 
> slightly?out of round.? The original style inserts would never have 
> worked.? For a few years I had the flat spring speed nuts on the 
> mounting posts, and the badge was tight with no movement.? But I hate 
> those things.
>
> A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts on my 
> reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts and plastic 
> washers.? It accomodates the slightly out-of-round holes quite well.? 
> I'm very happy with this approach and would recommend it for anyone 
> who thinks it might make sense for their car.
>
> Don
> Saint Louis
> 1962 TR3B
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com 
> <mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to
>     bend it to
>     fit the holes and cracked the enamel.? The holes on my 62 TR4 hood
>     are not
>     quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.? This one is from
>     England.? Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment. Badges
>     ae too
>     expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.? I am thinking I need
>     to shave
>     one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length
>     between holes. I
>     know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
>     there?
>     Thanks
>     Jim Henningsen
>     Ocala FL
>     61 TR3A
>     62 TR4
>     75 TR6
>     81 TR8
>
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From etd at psu.edu  Mon Feb 17 11:16:20 2020
From: etd at psu.edu (Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:16:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
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I tried a new one and it didn't sit flat.   found a good old one.  No way would the new one fit!



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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:30:39 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B (not the original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five years ago) are slightly out of round.  The original style inserts would never have worked.  For a few years I had the flat spring speed nuts on the mounting posts, and the badge was tight with no movement.  But I hate those things.

A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts on my reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts and plastic washers.  It accomodates the slightly out-of-round holes quite well.  I'm very happy with this approach and would recommend it for anyone who thinks it might make sense for their car.

Don
Saint Louis
1962 TR3B

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com<mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
there?
Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8


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Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:30:39 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B (not the original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five years ago) are slightly out of round.  The original style inserts would never have worked.  For a few years I had the flat spring speed nuts on the mounting posts, and the badge was tight with no movement.  But I hate those things.

A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts on my reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts and plastic washers.  It accomodates the slightly out-of-round holes quite well.  I'm very happy with this approach and would recommend it for anyone who thinks it might make sense for their car.

Don
Saint Louis
1962 TR3B

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com<mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>> wrote:
Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
there?
Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8


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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 11:33:50 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:33:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <556b2aef-9de8-5241-8129-d82cf43f6bcf@rmi.net>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
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Adhesives can do a lot -- the TRIUMPH nameplate on the back of my TR3B is
held on with 3M body trim mounting adhesive as an alternative to spire nuts.

The problem probably isn't the weight of the head badge, but the lack of
any surface area for contact.  The badge only touches the painted bodywork
around its narrow perimeter,  I guess one could cobble some blocking system
on the backside, but that would be a far from ideal solution.  The two that
would work are (1) modify the holes, or (2) modify or find a badge with
appropriate post spacing.

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 12:24 PM Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:

> Is it possible to use some good heavy duty double sided tape?  Or is the
> badge too heavy for that?  i know I have heard of it being used in some
> places.
> Roger
> On 2/17/2020 11:30 AM, Don Hiscock wrote:
>
> The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B (not the
> original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five years ago) are
> slightly out of round.  The original style inserts would never have
> worked.  For a few years I had the flat spring speed nuts on the mounting
> posts, and the badge was tight with no movement.  But I hate those things.
>
> A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts on my
> reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts and plastic
> washers.  It accomodates the slightly out-of-round holes quite well.  I'm
> very happy with this approach and would recommend it for anyone who thinks
> it might make sense for their car.
>
> Don
> Saint Louis
> 1962 TR3B
>
> On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
>> fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
>> quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
>> England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
>> expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to
>> shave
>> one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between
>> holes. I
>> know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
>> there?
>> Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala FL
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4
>> 75 TR6
>> 81 TR8
>>
>>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb 17 11:44:19 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 18:44:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
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 The badge I bought for the TR3 didn't sit flat either so I put a nylon washer one each post before mounting it and now it sits spaced away from the sheet metal ever so slightly where it can do no harm to the paint.? I can'[t remember if I needed to modify the holes or not.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dressler Jr., Edward Thomas <etd at psu.edu>
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 17, 2020 12:24 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

I tried a new one and it didn't sit flat.?? found a good old one.? No way would the new one fit!?



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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:30:39 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge?The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B (not the original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five years ago) are slightly?out of round.? The original style inserts would never have worked.? For a few years I had the flat spring speed nuts on the mounting posts, and the badge was tight with no movement.? But I hate those things.
A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts on my reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts and plastic washers.? It accomodates the slightly out-of-round holes quite well.? I'm very happy with this approach and would recommend it for anyone who thinks it might make sense for their car.
DonSaint Louis1962 TR3B
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
fit the holes and cracked the enamel.? The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.? This one is from
England.? Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.? Badges ae too
expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.? I am thinking I need to shave
one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
there?? 
Thanks
Jim Henningsen? 
Ocala FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8


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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:30:39 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge?The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B (not the original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five years ago) are slightly?out of round.? The original style inserts would never have worked.? For a few years I had the flat spring speed nuts on the mounting posts, and the badge was tight with no movement.? But I hate those things.
A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts on my reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts and plastic washers.? It accomodates the slightly out-of-round holes quite well.? I'm very happy with this approach and would recommend it for anyone who thinks it might make sense for their car.
DonSaint Louis1962 TR3B
On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 10:08 AM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
fit the holes and cracked the enamel.? The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.? This one is from
England.? Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.? Badges ae too
expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.? I am thinking I need to shave
one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
there?? 
Thanks
Jim Henningsen? 
Ocala FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8



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From HDRider570 at att.net  Mon Feb 17 12:51:11 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 11:51:11 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
References: <2699ee41-75bc-708d-e53a-4a374857b551.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <2699ee41-75bc-708d-e53a-4a374857b551@att.net>

I have found that most of the aftermarket TR4 badges are not curved 
enough to fit tightly to the bonnet correctly. The radius of the back of 
the badge and the curve of the bonnet are slightly different.

Fortunately they are quite easy to adjust the radius of the badge by 
hand.? This also changes the spacing of the mounting posts at the far 
(open) ends.? This could be why yours is not fitting properly.

Try measuring the distance between the pins at their point of connection 
to the back of the badge and at the open ends to see if the dimensions 
are the same.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From allen.k.hess at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 12:57:40 2020
From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:57:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
Message-ID: <15625963-3A76-4101-9EE3-DB13EABFFCAC@gmail.com>

I bought a new one many years ago. It was the wrong color of blue and one pin was crooked. Didn?t fit and I was loathe to take a file to my freshly painted hood. Sent it back, put the original on and have been content with the patina. 



From keithstewart at bell.net  Mon Feb 17 13:32:10 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 15:32:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <43C35461-66CC-41CD-A32D-1004B7CEB718@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <012901d5e5d1$547ea850$fd7bf8f0$@bell.net>

The original securing mechanism was small plastic inserts (like those ground bullet connectors that have a hole through the bottom for the ground wire to protrude and bend over). Once the hole(s) is elongated, these would not work but spire nuts as John suggests or spring clips should hold it secure.


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net



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I agree with Bill Beecher. Elongate one of the holes with a round needle file and then touch in the bare metal with a small dab of of body colour to impede rust. The retaining spire clips will hold it tight and snug.




From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 13:39:35 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 14:39:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <012901d5e5d1$547ea850$fd7bf8f0$@bell.net>
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Plastic inserts sounds about right for TR4-era, especially later in its
run.  Here are the spring metal inserts my TR3B had originally.
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-w8Vvgjr/0/ea2975fc/X5/i-w8Vvgjr-X5.jpg


On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 2:32 PM Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:

> The original securing mechanism was small plastic inserts (like those
> ground bullet connectors that have a hole through the bottom for the ground
> wire to protrude and bend over). Once the hole(s) is elongated, these would
> not work but spire nuts as John suggests or spring clips should hold it
> secure.
>
>
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> I agree with Bill Beecher. Elongate one of the holes with a round needle
> file and then touch in the bare metal with a small dab of of body colour to
> impede rust. The retaining spire clips will hold it tight and snug.
>
>
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Feb 17 13:37:12 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 12:37:12 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFAEB+0mt0jJczGFMSA+4TYmN+TJhCiFXxVfr9tKXS2rSw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
 <CAPK7CFAEB+0mt0jJczGFMSA+4TYmN+TJhCiFXxVfr9tKXS2rSw@mail.gmail.com>
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> The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B 
> (not the original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five 
> years ago) are slightly out of round.  The original style 
> inserts would never have worked.  For a few years I had the 
> flat spring speed nuts on the mounting posts, and the badge 
> was tight with no movement.  But I hate those things.

I'm confused, Don.  Weren't the original fasteners on a 3B "flat spring
speed nuts"? P/N FP1005?
TR4 went to FP1012/9 according to my book, but that's still what I would
call a "flat spring" nut.  Same thing is listed for 4A.
https://i.imgur.com/tbm4dTT.jpg

> A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts 
> on my reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts 
> and plastic washers.

FWIW, I found some "speed nuts" that have hex flats, so you can turn them
down the posts without having to cut threads separately.  They have a bit of
spring to them, so can hold the badge tightly.  The studs on my badge seemed
pretty soft, and the plating was rough, so I wasn't confident it would hold
machine threads.  The speed nuts have worked quite well, and are removable.
(MMC calls them "push nuts")

https://www.mcmaster.com/90533a115

> I am thinking I need to shave
> one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase 
> length between holes. I know this may allow badge to shift after install,
but 

My suggestion would be to use a small round file, and do multiple test fits,
to remove the absolute minimum metal required from the holes.  Put some
touch-up paint in the holes, then use the nuts I linked to.

I've still got 98 of them in the box and not likely to ever use more than a
few.  If anyone wants a couple, contact me off-list.

-- Randall 


From keithstewart at bell.net  Mon Feb 17 13:48:32 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 15:48:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDNXb3Pai2UeLJQy0B7E+EC9-AOYSW_u=Ai_b4qCwb0HA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
 <000001d5e5b5$e658fad0$b30af070$@flash.net>
 <43C35461-66CC-41CD-A32D-1004B7CEB718@Ukpips.org.uk>
 <012901d5e5d1$547ea850$fd7bf8f0$@bell.net>
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Message-ID: <017b01d5e5d3$9deb4780$d9c1d680$@bell.net>

In addition to the plastic inserts, I have used:

Spring clips



And speed nuts



 

The speed nuts I used were brass with a rubber coating on the surface that would contact the paint. That allowed them to compress and snug up firmly without any paint damage.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> 
Sent: February 17, 2020 3:40 PM
To: Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
Cc: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>; wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>; Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

 

Plastic inserts sounds about right for TR4-era, especially later in its run.  Here are the spring metal inserts my TR3B had originally.

https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-w8Vvgjr/0/ea2975fc/X5/i-w8Vvgjr-X5.jpg

 

 

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 2:32 PM Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> > wrote:

The original securing mechanism was small plastic inserts (like those ground bullet connectors that have a hole through the bottom for the ground wire to protrude and bend over). Once the hole(s) is elongated, these would not work but spire nuts as John suggests or spring clips should hold it secure.


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 



-----Original Message-----
I agree with Bill Beecher. Elongate one of the holes with a round needle file and then touch in the bare metal with a small dab of of body colour to impede rust. The retaining spire clips will hold it tight and snug.



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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 14:03:26 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 15:03:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <5A917FF20B08480ABBCEFB03C2EA2C0E@RYPC>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
 <CAPK7CFAEB+0mt0jJczGFMSA+4TYmN+TJhCiFXxVfr9tKXS2rSw@mail.gmail.com>
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Well, I didn't have my car for the first nineteen years of its life, and it
had apron bodywork when I got it.  Who knows for sure what was original to
its build.  TR3Bs are their own animal sometimes in esoteric ways the parts
manual doesn't always catch.

For example, the main gauges on every TR3B I've checked have "two piece"
clamps like a TR4, not the single U-clamp like a TR3A.  What's the SPM4E
say it should have?
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-5fbNcWz/0/efc7f301/X5/i-5fbNcWz-X5.jpg

Where TR3B rules are concerned, there are no rules!

On Mon, Feb 17, 2020 at 2:44 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> > The badge mounting holes on the apron currently on my TR3B
> > (not the original, which was upgraded to this one thirty five
> > years ago) are slightly out of round.  The original style
> > inserts would never have worked.  For a few years I had the
> > flat spring speed nuts on the mounting posts, and the badge
> > was tight with no movement.  But I hate those things.
>
> I'm confused, Don.  Weren't the original fasteners on a 3B "flat spring
> speed nuts"? P/N FP1005?
> TR4 went to FP1012/9 according to my book, but that's still what I would
> call a "flat spring" nut.  Same thing is listed for 4A.
> https://i.imgur.com/tbm4dTT.jpg
>
> > A few years ago I threaded (carefully) with a die the posts
> > on my reproduction badge and it's now mounted with nyloc nuts
> > and plastic washers.
>
> FWIW, I found some "speed nuts" that have hex flats, so you can turn them
> down the posts without having to cut threads separately.  They have a bit
> of
> spring to them, so can hold the badge tightly.  The studs on my badge
> seemed
> pretty soft, and the plating was rough, so I wasn't confident it would hold
> machine threads.  The speed nuts have worked quite well, and are removable.
> (MMC calls them "push nuts")
>
> https://www.mcmaster.com/90533a115
>
> > I am thinking I need to shave
> > one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase
> > length between holes. I know this may allow badge to shift after install,
> but
>
> My suggestion would be to use a small round file, and do multiple test
> fits,
> to remove the absolute minimum metal required from the holes.  Put some
> touch-up paint in the holes, then use the nuts I linked to.
>
> I've still got 98 of them in the box and not likely to ever use more than a
> few.  If anyone wants a couple, contact me off-list.
>
> -- Randall
>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Feb 17 14:36:35 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 13:36:35 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFA9W1OLNgw+D8TKy0ATwtNpnXziptioBY1Xjoxa8mHXOg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
 <CAPK7CFAEB+0mt0jJczGFMSA+4TYmN+TJhCiFXxVfr9tKXS2rSw@mail.gmail.com>
 <5A917FF20B08480ABBCEFB03C2EA2C0E@RYPC>
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Message-ID: <8CB0F3F5C7E44E7CAF219B1F3B13D50C@RYPC>

Well, shoot.  Here I thought you had some pearl of wisdom I could record :)

Speedo numbers are something else I've never run to ground entirely.  For
sure, there were a lot of them fitted to the TR3 that aren't listed in the
SPC.  The TR4 SPC has 16 of them, and the 4A document has 4 more "for
competition only" with no indication of what that means.  It's not the 4.11
axle, since it was included in the 8 others listed.

But no indication of mounting clamp style.  It was considered part of the
gauge.

-- Randall 


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 15:39:03 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:39:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <2699ee41-75bc-708d-e53a-4a374857b551@att.net>
References: <2699ee41-75bc-708d-e53a-4a374857b551.ref@att.net>
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Message-ID: <034b01d5e5e3$0e516590$2af430b0$@gmail.com>

I think you are exactly right as the one broken by the body shop he had bent it slightly and that cracked the enamel.  Not recommending that route.  Im ok with it not completely flush and may elongate one hole with a file carefully to get this new one to fit.  Car show in a week so need to get done.  Thanks, Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Q
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 2:51 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

I have found that most of the aftermarket TR4 badges are not curved enough to fit tightly to the bonnet correctly. The radius of the back of the badge and the curve of the bonnet are slightly different.

Fortunately they are quite easy to adjust the radius of the badge by hand.  This also changes the spacing of the mounting posts at the far
(open) ends.  This could be why yours is not fitting properly.

Try measuring the distance between the pins at their point of connection to the back of the badge and at the open ends to see if the dimensions are the same.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 15:41:24 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:41:24 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <43C35461-66CC-41CD-A32D-1004B7CEB718@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>	<000001d5e5b5$e658fad0$b30af070$@flash.net>
 <43C35461-66CC-41CD-A32D-1004B7CEB718@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <038201d5e5e3$62694260$273bc720$@gmail.com>

Thanks, Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:29 PM
To: wbeech <wbeech at flash.net>
Cc: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; Triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

I agree with Bill Beecher. Elongate one of the holes with a round needle file and then touch in the bare metal with a small dab of of body colour to impede rust. The retaining spire clips will hold it tight and snug.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 17 Feb 2020, at 17:15, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
> 
> IF you elongate the hole a little to fit, it will be hidden.  It will 
> still be a snug fit as the posts will occupy the maximum length.  If 
> still unsure you could repack the void with some clear JB Weld or other filler.
> Bill B
> TS30800L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of 
> Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 10:08 AM
> To: 'Triumphs' <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
> 
> Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend 
> it to fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 
> hood are not quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This 
> one is from England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  
> Badges ae too expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am 
> thinking I need to shave one of the holes on a top or bottom side to 
> increase length between holes. I know this may allow badge to shift 
> after install, but what options are there?
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Feb 17 15:43:18 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 17 Feb 2020 17:43:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge
In-Reply-To: <000001d5e5b5$e658fad0$b30af070$@flash.net>
References: <025b01d5e5ac$6addbcf0$409936d0$@gmail.com>
 <000001d5e5b5$e658fad0$b30af070$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <038301d5e5e3$a6785ae0$f36910a0$@gmail.com>

Bill and all those who responded.  Thank you.  I am going to first try to
elongate hole. Might put a ribber washer around post to top of hood as extra
protection to paint.  I have the round spires and the rectangular speed nuts
to secure.  Wish me luck.  I really want a new installed to match the
quality of the rest of the car.  
Jim

-----Original Message-----
From: wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> 
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 12:16 PM
To: 'Jim Henningsen' <trguy75 at gmail.com>; 'Triumphs'
<Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

IF you elongate the hole a little to fit, it will be hidden.  It will still
be a snug fit as the posts will occupy the maximum length.  If still unsure
you could repack the void with some clear JB Weld or other filler.
Bill B
TS30800L

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Jim
Henningsen
Sent: Monday, February 17, 2020 10:08 AM
To: 'Triumphs' <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4 Hood Badge

Ordered a new enameled hood badge as the body shop had tried to bend it to
fit the holes and cracked the enamel.  The holes on my 62 TR4 hood are not
quite matching up with the aftermarket hood badges.  This one is from
England.  Any thoughts on fixing this before I experiment.  Badges ae too
expensive to try and bend the mounting tips.  I am thinking I need to shave
one of the holes on a top or bottom side to increase length between holes. I
know this may allow badge to shift after install, but what options are
there?  
Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8


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From boleaver at gmail.com  Wed Feb 19 16:21:48 2020
From: boleaver at gmail.com (Bob Leaver)
Date: Wed, 19 Feb 2020 16:21:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] side window problem
Message-ID: <CAP2rSX7pD_Rsn5uvOniwsUrL9UoWnSV4u+=adLqXMzGBmNEVQA@mail.gmail.com>

The side window on the drivers side goes down except for the last 2
inches. I've taken the door apart so I could look inside but can't see
anything that appears to be wrong. Has anyone else  encountered this
problem?

From gdewine at aol.com  Wed Feb 19 17:33:36 2020
From: gdewine at aol.com (gdewine at aol.com)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 00:33:36 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumph World Magazine
References: <1011301685.3956547.1582158816253.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1011301685.3956547.1582158816253@mail.yahoo.com>

I have listed on EBAY my collection of estoration 55 issues dating from 1996 through 2007. Not a complete set but a sizeable collection.
Gary
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 19 18:14:22 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 01:14:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] side window problem
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 not on my TR3


frank
    On Wednesday, February 19, 2020, 03:22:18 PM PST, Bob Leaver <boleaver at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 The side window on the drivers side goes down except for the last 2
inches. I've taken the door apart so I could look inside but can't see
anything that appears to be wrong. Has anyone else? encountered this
problem?
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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Thu Feb 20 17:55:25 2020
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 16:55:25 -0800
Subject: [TR] Warehouse Sale
Message-ID: <725D62C0-37AD-4488-BE6E-7B13DB1C0078@comcast.net>


Triumphs Only in Stockton, CA is going out of business ? GIANT SALE, tools, equipment, cars, NOS Triumph Parts.

Starts Saturday  02/22/2020   0900?Thru Sunday 02/23/2020 everything goes.

He has many, many body parts, Fenders, Bonnetts, for most Triumphs.

Hope you can come.


Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars




From boleaver at gmail.com  Thu Feb 20 18:48:29 2020
From: boleaver at gmail.com (Bob Leaver)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 18:48:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] Side window problem
Message-ID: <CAP2rSX69_=WbnriNWGNB1X21WHwv9RNg-9c79kc-7x88=4aBtg@mail.gmail.com>

I guess I forgot to mention it's for my 1965 TR4A.

From ryel at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 19:42:39 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 02:42:39 -0000
Subject: [TR] Drive Your Triumph Day 2020 photos
Message-ID: <f3990c64-39bc-4e40-b47c-40d515b34dfc@me.com>

A big thank you to all the Triumph and Standard owners around the world?who took the time on Monday, February 10th, to participate in Drive Your Triumph Day, to commemorate Sir John Black's Birthday.

I'm overwhelmed by the response, with great photos and stories that came along with them.? My favorite has to be the photo used for the album cover.? Not necessarily the?best picture, but the story!? This Triumph owner is 99 years old and out for a drive in 30F degree temperatures in his Spitfire with the Pennsylvania?Triumph Club.? Gotta love it!

There are so many other great photos from around the world, I hope you enjoy them all.? When you are scrolling though the photos, I've tried to include information in the file name: ?Name of owner, year and make of the car, and were in the world the photo was taken.

https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com

If you want to check out photos from DYTD 2017, 2018 & 2019, click on the Pictures & Videos link in the top menu.

https://driveyourtriumphday.shutterfly.com/pictures

Until next year, have a great time driving your Triumphs and Standards, and be ready for DYTD, February 10th, 2021.

Regards,

Rye Livingston
Activities Chairman
Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club
1960 Triumph TR3A
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Thu Feb 20 20:04:26 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Thu, 20 Feb 2020 19:04:26 -0800
Subject: [TR] Side window problem
In-Reply-To: <CAP2rSX69_=WbnriNWGNB1X21WHwv9RNg-9c79kc-7x88=4aBtg@mail.gmail.com>
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Hi Bob,

Does it make any difference if you help the window down while turning the crank?

The two problems I recall were the arms moving sideways and binding, and the gears skipping/jamming.  I wonder if it is possible to skip some teeth and not be able to retract?  It was too long ago since I had that apart.

-Darrell

> On Feb 20, 2020, at 5:48 PM, Bob Leaver <boleaver at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I guess I forgot to mention it's for my 1965 TR4A.
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66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L
81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206
Vancouver, WA, USA


From carlsereda at aol.com  Thu Feb 20 20:41:03 2020
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 03:41:03 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR Window difficulty
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1582225202.21041.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1582225202.21041.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <775677294.4435819.1582256463030@mail.yahoo.com>

 Could be the teeth on the larger gear are badly worn in that area (and jambing) - they take a beating.. especially on driver's side.. 
or the glass channels are not parallel.. closer together near bottom causing binding.
Good luck,
Carl'63TR4 since '74


The side window on the drivers side goes down except for the last 2
inches. I've taken the door apart so I could look inside but can't see
anything that appears to be wrong. Has anyone else? encountered this
problem?

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Feb 21 08:47:04 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 21 Feb 2020 15:47:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Side window problem
In-Reply-To: <CAP2rSX69_=WbnriNWGNB1X21WHwv9RNg-9c79kc-7x88=4aBtg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAP2rSX69_=WbnriNWGNB1X21WHwv9RNg-9c79kc-7x88=4aBtg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2084332120.4577773.1582300024939@mail.yahoo.com>

 Is it a hard stop or does it get stiff before it stops?? When it stops does it raise easily afterwards?? Have you verified that nothing is blocking it either in the door cavity, the window guides or the track for the rollers for the X-mechanism?? Also inspect the teeth on the big gear and check the bearings for the crank.? If the crank bearings are loose the small gear can fail to engage the big gear teeth properly and bind up.? This is a common wear point.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob Leaver <boleaver at gmail.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Feb 20, 2020 7:48 pm
Subject: [TR] Side window problem

I guess I forgot to mention it's for my 1965 TR4A.
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From harrymague at aol.com  Sat Feb 22 08:18:05 2020
From: harrymague at aol.com (Harry Mague)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 15:18:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory Customer Investment Program
References: <55207164.134606.1582384685585.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
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Has anybody heard anything about the Roadster Factory court results for the customer investors?

Harry M
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From gdewine at aol.com  Sun Feb 23 10:48:20 2020
From: gdewine at aol.com (gdewine at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 17:48:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumph World Magazine
References: <480069838.5042171.1582480100596.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <480069838.5042171.1582480100596@mail.yahoo.com>

I have placed on EBAY a lot 0f 45 Triumph World Magazines.?This is a collection of 45 magazines dating from Feb/March 1996 through Issue 79 from October 2007. No repeats but the listing does not contain all magazines published during the time period. It would be difficult to assemble a collection this large. A starting bid of $50 or buy it now price of $80 plus shipping.?go to:?https://www.ebay.com/itm/324078350897
Gary
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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Feb 22 10:33:26 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 22 Feb 2020 12:33:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] Chicago Brit car swap meet
Message-ID: <8ae74b05-47d1-4b22-fda2-a7d469649ddc@bright.net>

It's 10 degrees outside, the sun has been seen and only a few weeks to 
the Chicago British car swap meet (http://www.britishcarswap.info/).? If 
you've never gone, it's worthwhile. We will be in our usual spot in the 
2nd building (bldg #4 I believe), first 4 spaces in the center aisle 
next to registration when you enter. Will have new parts - gear 
reduction starters, steelbraid brake, clutch and oil hoses, suspension 
goodies and more. Used parts including UK carb sets, MG & TR AMCO bumper 
guards & luggage racks, boot & tonneau covers and more. Regalia - pins, 
patches,posters, 3' x 5' flags (British, checkered, MG,Lotus, Jaguar, 
Aston Martin, Mini), T.shirts and more. If you need us to bring 
something large such as engines, transmissions, differentials, body 
panels, please let us know. Free shipping is good. Thanks for your time. 
See you there. Ted



-- 
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tedtsimx at bright.net
http://www.tsimportedautomotive.com
103 E. Main St.
Pandora, Ohio, USA 45877
Fax: 419.384.3272 (24 Hrs.)
Phone: 800.543.6648 (US & Canada)
Tech/ Gen. Information/ Worldwide: 419.384.3022



From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Feb 23 14:49:45 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 16:49:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] What a rush !
Message-ID: <00d401d5ea93$2a5715a0$7f0540e0$@uprichard.net>

Today hit 50F in Michigan and so I took the TR5 out for an inaugural drive.
I started off timidly, since the engine had just been rebuilt and I always
worry I may have done something wrong.  But after 10 or so miles caution was
thrown to the wind and I let those 6 fuel-injected cylinders do their thing.
And they did - just amazing!

 

I am a huge fan of the 4-cylinder Triumphs (I have five of them, after all),
but this was sheer hedonism.

 

And, of course, the thumbs up of the people who obviously thought I was
totally mad in a convertible in 50 degrees and the kids with their noses
pressed against the windows..

 

Apart from my beautiful wife and maybe Irish whiskey, driving these cars
must be one of life's greatest pleasures.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Sun Feb 23 15:41:04 2020
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 22:41:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TRF
References: <1448497804.7095744.1582497664642.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1448497804.7095744.1582497664642@mail.yahoo.com>

I'm curious if they are paying interest per the agreement.
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555
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From pryner at outlook.com  Sun Feb 23 16:17:26 2020
From: pryner at outlook.com (Peter Ryner)
Date: Sun, 23 Feb 2020 23:17:26 +0000
Subject: [TR] TRF
In-Reply-To: <1448497804.7095744.1582497664642@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1448497804.7095744.1582497664642.ref@mail.yahoo.com>,
 <1448497804.7095744.1582497664642@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <BN3PR04MB2244D4E603ED7E16377392CCDEEF0@BN3PR04MB2244.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

No,
Not a pretty picture.  I was a great supporter of the TRF, their quest for the best TR parts and support of our cars.  Unfortunately they didn't follow through with the agreement to provide insurance to recover our funds and there are insufficient assets to repay investors.  There have been no interest payments since the untimely death and it looks like we won't see anything near a full recovery of investment dollars.  I hope it doesn't mean the demise of the company but there are many of us left standing in the rain.  The state is deciding on how to proceed.  Hearing was to be last month, haven't heard anything yet.


Get Outlook for Android<https://aka.ms/ghei36>
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:41:04 PM
To: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TRF

I'm curious if they are paying interest per the agreement.

Joe Mato
62 Wood Road
Redding, CT 06896
917 232 1555
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
Sent: Sunday, February 23, 2020 5:41:04 PM
To: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TRF

I'm curious if they are paying interest per the agreement.

Joe Mato
62 Wood Road
Redding, CT 06896
917 232 1555
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Feb 24 05:40:04 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 07:40:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] What a rush !
In-Reply-To: <00d401d5ea93$2a5715a0$7f0540e0$@uprichard.net>
References: <00d401d5ea93$2a5715a0$7f0540e0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMB7q_SnR5HmFLCurgnzhesOtSOTDxJqMAFi=ry_uksHg@mail.gmail.com>

In addition to cold weather in Georgia, we've had 23 inches of rain since
January 1st, and so there hasn't been much call for a convertible.  But on
Saturday, the sun was shining, the birds were singing, and the thermometer
went over 55*, so we took the TR6 out for a drive.  Had a great time, with
a stupid grin on my face as always.  Saw other convertibles, but everyone
else had their top up - including a red TR6 (who didn't see us).

Perfect days are too precious to waste by driving with a roof...

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Sun, Feb 23, 2020 at 4:50 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> Today hit 50F in Michigan and so I took the TR5 out for an inaugural
> drive.  I started off timidly, since the engine had just been rebuilt and I
> always worry I may have done something wrong.  But after 10 or so miles
> caution was thrown to the wind and I let those 6 fuel-injected cylinders do
> their thing.  And they did - just amazing!
>
>
>
> I am a huge fan of the 4-cylinder Triumphs (I have five of them, after
> all), but this was sheer hedonism.
>
>
>
> And, of course, the thumbs up of the people who obviously thought I was
> totally mad in a convertible in 50 degrees and the kids with their noses
> pressed against the windows??
>
>
>
> Apart from my beautiful wife and maybe Irish whiskey, driving these cars
> must be one of life?s greatest pleasures.
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb 24 06:13:14 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 13:13:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [6pack] What a rush !
References: <1173439294.5279021.1582549994602.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1173439294.5279021.1582549994602@mail.yahoo.com>

 Those four-bangers make neat noises and are nice, torquey engines but the inline-six is just naturally smooth and sublime.? It is fully symmetrical with a multi-plane crank.? Best of both worlds.
Enjoy.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2020 3:49 pm
Subject: [6pack] What a rush !

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Feb 24 09:16:27 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 11:16:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] What a rush !
In-Reply-To: <1173439294.5279021.1582549994602@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1173439294.5279021.1582549994602.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1173439294.5279021.1582549994602@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <516B6FF44FD24B18BC3236877FEB881D@VlackTK121647>

If you?ve never heard the Group 44 GT-6 you should. It along with the 250K are 2 of the nicest sounding Triumphs at full song you will ever hear. Both will be at Mid-Ohio for the Kastner Cup. A don?t miss opportunity if you want to hear some great 6 cyl music.

JVV

From: DAVID MASSEY 
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 8:13 AM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net ; 6pack at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] What a rush !

Those four-bangers make neat noises and are nice, torquey engines but the inline-six is just naturally smooth and sublime.  It is fully symmetrical with a multi-plane crank.  Best of both worlds.


Enjoy.


Dave 




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To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack <6pack at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Feb 23, 2020 3:49 pm
Subject: [6pack] What a rush !


Today hit 50F in Michigan and so I took the TR5 out for an inaugural drive.  I started off timidly, since the engine had just been rebuilt and I always worry I may have done something wrong.  But after 10 or so miles caution was thrown to the wind and I let those 6 fuel-injected cylinders do their thing.  And they did - just amazing!

I am a huge fan of the 4-cylinder Triumphs (I have five of them, after all), but this was sheer hedonism.

And, of course, the thumbs up of the people who obviously thought I was totally mad in a convertible in 50 degrees and the kids with their noses pressed against the windows??

Apart from my beautiful wife and maybe Irish whiskey, driving these cars must be one of life?s greatest pleasures.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Feb 24 12:55:16 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 12:55:16 -0700
Subject: [TR] [6pack] What a rush !
In-Reply-To: <516B6FF44FD24B18BC3236877FEB881D@VlackTK121647>
References: <1173439294.5279021.1582549994602.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1173439294.5279021.1582549994602@mail.yahoo.com>
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On 2/24/20 9:16 AM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote:
> If you?ve never heard the Group 44 GT-6 you should. It along with the 
> 250K are 2 of the nicest sounding Triumphs at full song you will ever 
> hear. Both will be at Mid-Ohio for the Kastner Cup. A don?t miss 
> opportunity if you want to hear some great 6 cyl music.


I attended the VTR convention in Asheville, NC, back in 199? It's been a 
while, I forgot.? The autocross course was on a city street and involved 
going up a hill and coming back down.? It was a grey, overcast day, lots 
of cloud cover.? JK Jackson was there with his autocross TR6.? He took 
off on a run, up the hill and came back down with that TR6 screaming at 
what sounded like maybe 20,000 rpm!? It was a memorable noise.

mjb.

ps: On a side note, I ran in DSP at the 1997 SCCA Solo II Nationals back 
in Kansas, and that car was there with Chris Moore, JK's girlfriend, at 
the wheel.? I believe I posted a run in the Killer Spit about half a 
second faster than she did in that TR6.



From lenaperunner at yahoo.com  Sun Feb 23 19:26:17 2020
From: lenaperunner at yahoo.com (Chris Hansel)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 02:26:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] [Wedge] Chicago Brit car swap meet
In-Reply-To: <8ae74b05-47d1-4b22-fda2-a7d469649ddc@bright.net>
References: <8ae74b05-47d1-4b22-fda2-a7d469649ddc@bright.net>
Message-ID: <1100882592.7167818.1582511177914@mail.yahoo.com>

Why in hell would anyone plan a swap meet in Chicago in the middle of winter??? Very odd Uncle Ted


Sent from Yahoo Mail for iPhone


On Saturday, February 22, 2020, 10:33 AM, Ted Schumacher <tedtsimx at bright.net> wrote:

It's 10 degrees outside, the sun has been seen and only a few weeks to 
the Chicago British car swap meet (http://www.britishcarswap.info/).B? If 
you've never gone, it's worthwhile. We will be in our usual spot in the 
2nd building (bldg #4 I believe), first 4 spaces in the center aisle 
next to registration when you enter. Will have new parts - gear 
reduction starters, steelbraid brake, clutch and oil hoses, suspension 
goodies and more. Used parts including UK carb sets, MG & TR AMCO bumper 
guards & luggage racks, boot & tonneau covers and more. Regalia - pins, 
patches,posters, 3' x 5' flags (British, checkered, MG,Lotus, Jaguar, 
Aston Martin, Mini), T.shirts and more. If you need us to bring 
something large such as engines, transmissions, differentials, body 
panels, please let us know. Free shipping is good. Thanks for your time. 
See you there. Ted



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From john-marie at sbcglobal.net  Mon Feb 24 15:40:05 2020
From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (John Deluca)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 16:40:05 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 tachometer
References: <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703@sbcglobal.net>

Hope someone can explain this:  Installed TR3 tach and speedo in my TR2.  The speedo lights up just fine, but the tach does not ?light up?, even with a flashlight shinning down the socket.  Lights are working.  The old TR2 tach does ?light up? when checked. Wanted to bounce it off The List before I go further.
John DeLuca

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Feb 24 16:05:56 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Mon, 24 Feb 2020 17:05:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 tachometer
In-Reply-To: <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <000701d5eb66$f92d1310$eb873930$@flash.net>

Should illuminate just like your old one.  Assuming the bulb is good and bright, check for light blockage in the bulb mounting.  As always, make sure you have a good ground.
Bill

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Deluca
Sent: Monday, February 24, 2020 4:40 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR3 tachometer

Hope someone can explain this:  Installed TR3 tach and speedo in my TR2.  The speedo lights up just fine, but the tach does not ?light up?, even with a flashlight shinning down the socket.  Lights are working.  The old TR2 tach does ?light up? when checked. Wanted to bounce it off The List before I go further.
John DeLuca

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Feb 24 19:36:24 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 02:36:24 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3 tachometer
In-Reply-To: <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703@sbcglobal.net>
References: <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <0EFB34ED-0807-471F-B71E-7AB8647D2703@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <2055672138.83.1582598184708@mail.yahoo.com>

 Is the ground wire attached?? My TR3 had a flickering light due to sporadic grounding though the tack cable.? Once I attached the black wire it worked fine.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Feb 24, 2020 4:40 pm
Subject: [TR] TR3 tachometer

Hope someone can explain this:? Installed TR3 tach and speedo in my TR2.? The speedo lights up just fine, but the tach does not ?light up?, even with a flashlight shinning down the socket.? Lights are working.? The old TR2 tach does ?light up? when checked. Wanted to bounce it off The List before I go further.
John DeLuca

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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Tue Feb 25 06:32:58 2020
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:32:58 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 tachometer
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John-  

Since the tachometer has a socket and you checked it with a light my guess the socket is blocked somehow or the inside of the case is no longer white to help reflect the light.  Might be time to carefully disassemble.

Randy

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> On Feb 24, 2020, at 4:40 PM, John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hope someone can explain this:  Installed TR3 tach and speedo in my TR2.  The speedo lights up just fine, but the tach does not ?light up?, even with a flashlight shinning down the socket.  Lights are working.  The old TR2 tach does ?light up? when checked. Wanted to bounce it off The List before I go further.
> John DeLuca
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Feb 25 07:31:39 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 09:31:39 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] TR3 tachometer
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Do I remember correctly that there is a clear plastic strip between the bulb and the dial?  ISTR mine was so yellowed, light to the dial was at Lucas max (dim).

Terry
> On February 25, 2020 at 8:32 AM Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> John-  
> 
> Since the tachometer has a socket and you checked it with a light my guess the socket is blocked somehow or the inside of the case is no longer white to help reflect the light.  Might be time to carefully disassemble.
> 
> Randy
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
> > On Feb 24, 2020, at 4:40 PM, John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Hope someone can explain this:  Installed TR3 tach and speedo in my TR2.  The speedo lights up just fine, but the tach does not ?light up?, even with a flashlight shinning down the socket.  Lights are working.  The old TR2 tach does ?light up? when checked. Wanted to bounce it off The List before I go further.
> > John DeLuca
> > 
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From john-marie at sbcglobal.net  Tue Feb 25 11:34:11 2020
From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (John Deluca)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 12:34:11 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 tach
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Reference my post yesterday on no light in the tach.  I found the problem.  After some refurbishing (months ago) I put the ring, that surrounds the face, behind it-where it blocked the light.  After repositioning on the front side, still no light.  There was no gap to let the light through between face and ring.  I had put a thin rubber gasket on the back of the case which did not allow the tach to be tightened against the case.  Thus, no gap for light.  Removed gasket and now have lighted tach.  Thanks to all for the suggestions.
John 

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 12:02:58 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:02:58 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 tach
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Love it when a plan comes together!
B


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:34 PM, John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 

?Reference my post yesterday on no light in the tach.  I found the problem.  After some refurbishing (months ago) I put the ring, that surrounds the face, behind it-where it blocked the light.  After repositioning on the front side, still no light.  There was no gap to let the light through between face and ring.  I had put a thin rubber gasket on the back of the case which did not allow the tach to be tightened against the case.  Thus, no gap for light.  Removed gasket and now have lighted tach.  Thanks to all for the suggestions.
John 

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Feb 25 12:02:58 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 25 Feb 2020 13:02:58 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3 tach
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Love it when a plan comes together!
B


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Feb 25, 2020, at 12:34 PM, John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 

?Reference my post yesterday on no light in the tach.  I found the problem.  After some refurbishing (months ago) I put the ring, that surrounds the face, behind it-where it blocked the light.  After repositioning on the front side, still no light.  There was no gap to let the light through between face and ring.  I had put a thin rubber gasket on the back of the case which did not allow the tach to be tightened against the case.  Thus, no gap for light.  Removed gasket and now have lighted tach.  Thanks to all for the suggestions.
John 

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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Feb 26 16:52:54 2020
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Wed, 26 Feb 2020 15:52:54 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumph Renown For Sale
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Hi Everyone,

      I have to let 2 of my 4 British cars go. The first is my 1952 Triumph
Renown Saloon.

     Here is a youtube video I made yesterday.

                https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmEkHD8RpE
<https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmEkHD8RpE&t=31s> &t=31s

     Here is the Craigslist posting:

 
https://losangeles.craigslist.org/ant/cto/d/tehachapi-1952-triumph-renown-tr
3-tr4/7082477839.html

 

     The car is priced for a quick sale.

     The car has 46,785 original miles.

     The brakes were rebuilt top to bottom within the last 1000 miles or so.
Sleeved master cylinder, all new wheel cylinders. It uses MG TD brakes. The
fuel system is untouched and never a problem. Same with the cooling system.

     The current steering box has lots of play. I have a rebuilt steering
box (uninstalled)  that I sourced from a parts car in the UK. I had it
rebuilt by a pre-war steering specialist in England before he retired. The
TROC (Renown club) has written instructions on how to change out the
steering box as this is a common problem. I have a printed copy of the
instructions.

     The tires have about 2,000 miles on them.

     I've driven this car to work many times. It is about 34 miles each way.

     I have new rubber treads that go on the running boards.

     All electrical works.

     I got an overdrive transmission from a car being broken in England. It
might be the last one on the planet. Renowns were the first car to have a
Laycock de Normanville OD.

     I have an original temperature gauge. It is unobtanium.

     This car has one big problem. This is reflected in the price.  I have
started getting water in the oil and the block is getting pressurized,
blowing oil past the rear seal. It probably has a blown head gasket. If I
was going to keep the car, I would just go completely through the engine and
install the extra OD trans that comes with this car. If you can do a TR3 or
4 engine, this will all look familiar. The short block uses all TR3
mechanicals and the head parts & carburetor parts are available from
morgan-spares.com. I have a 1953 Morgan +4 and the Renown has the identical
engine.

     It's a good "dry" car.

     If the oil leak were fixed then you could just enjoy the car as is. It
was a good driver before the oil/water thing raised its head.

 

     -Bill Brewer

     661-303-7372

     Billbrewer59 at yahoo.com

 

 

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From mark at bradakis.com  Thu Feb 27 07:36:59 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 07:36:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] Fwd: [Bmcu] FYI Joe Richards
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Dr. Hoopes is the current owner of TS1, lives here in the Salt Lake 
area.? I got a chance to work on the car a time or two when it was at 
Mike Bailey's.

mjb.


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From: *Phillip Hoopes* <pch at hoopesvision.com <mailto:pch at hoopesvision.com>>
Date: Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:02 AM
Subject: FYI Joe Richards

Joe Richards, founder of TRA and restorer of TS1LO passed away this 
morning at 5 AM. Hard core British car enthusiast.

Phil Hoopes


From PeterAra at msn.com  Thu Feb 27 16:48:12 2020
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 23:48:12 +0000
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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Have an early 71 TR6, still has the 41306 distributor with dual vacuums, advance and retard.  Did a little work on my distributor, wanted to check the function of the mechanical advance since I came across a new set of advance springs.  I know they are correct because they are Lucas and the correct part number as listed in the Lucas master catalog.
the old springs were visibly different and softer.  The weight in my distributor was marked 13 degrees.  After I changed them, my timing at idle advanced 10-15 degrees.  I reset the timing to 8 BTDC.  I have always run there.  I use the advance 'till it pings and back off method. Have had it as much as 10 BTDC with no ping, but I prefer to run at 8. My retard works correctly, because it passes the test -idle increases 300rpm when pulled.  Still no ping under the test - high gear, full throttle 30-50 mph.  And no ping accelerating at full throttle from 70-80.
Now...am I correct in thinking the car should run better at speed (3200rpm)?  My thinking is that the timing is more advanced at that rpm with the correct springs, than it was previously.
Peter Arakelian
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Thu Feb 27 18:08:07 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Thu, 27 Feb 2020 19:08:07 -0600
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance 
but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).? 
I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like 
you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would 
also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at 
3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before 
because the full advance timing is now less.

I don't run a street car so could be all wet...? When I check the timing 
I see what it is once the advance is all-in.? Wherever it ends up at 
idle is where it ends up, I don't really pay attention to the idle advance.

With 110 octane gas and decent compression (and a 4 banger, not a 6 
banger), I shoot for 32 degrees when the advance stops changing.? I'd 
think you'd want closer to 26 degrees with a street motor / pump gas.

Hope this helps...

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/27/2020 5:48 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
> Have an early 71 TR6, still has the 41306 distributor with dual 
> vacuums, advance and retard.? Did a little work on my distributor, 
> wanted to check the function of the mechanical advance since I came 
> across a new set of advance springs. I?know they are correct because 
> they are Lucas and the correct part number as listed in the Lucas 
> master catalog.
> the old springs were visibly different and softer.? The weight in my 
> distributor was marked 13 degrees.? After I changed them, my timing at 
> idle?advanced 10-15 degrees.? I reset the timing to 8 BTDC.? I have 
> always run there.? I use the advance 'till it pings and back off 
> method. Have had it as much as 10 BTDC with no ping, but I prefer to 
> run at 8. My retard works correctly, because it passes the test -idle 
> increases 300rpm when pulled.? Still no ping under the test - high 
> gear, full throttle 30-50 mph.? And no ping accelerating at full 
> throttle from 70-80.
> Now...am I correct in thinking the car should run better at speed 
> (3200rpm)?? My thinking is that the timing is more advanced at that 
> rpm with the correct springs, than it was previously.
> Peter Arakelian
>
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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Feb 28 08:43:27 2020
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 08:43:27 -0700
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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I don't have my books handy, but I believe there should be a heavier, longer spring, and a lighter, somewhat shorter spring. The heavier spring should be slightly loose as installed, so that at lower rpm, only the light spring controls the advance movement. This give a fast advance curve up until the heavier spring becomes tight, then slower until the stop is reached.

Normal practice is to measure the advance curve after changing springs, so they can be tweaked if necessary to give the desired curve. Kind of like balancing tires.

If you were not getting pinging before, I would not expect a performance increase by switching to heavier springs. Maximum advance without ping is not always the best power point, but usually not far from it.
The factory had to supply an advance curve that worked under the majority of conditions, without necessarily being the best curve for any conditions 

Also, in general, a low compression smog engine can stand more advance than a higher compression, better breathing race engine can. That's why the stock "all-in" advance was so high. (Around 36 degrees IIRC) If you've done anything like shave the head or install a different cam, you might need less advance. The whole idea is to get the peak cylinder pressure with the crank throw at the best angle to turn the crankshaft.

In short I don't think there is any way to answer your question, short of comparing performance before and after. To really optimize it, you need to run tests to find the optimum advance across the rpm range for your motor, then build a distributor to achieve that.

If those lighter springs were the result of someone else doing that, then any change will likely not be for the better.

I haven't been paying attention lately, but one of the local clubs used to have a "dyno day" once a year, where you could get several chassis dyno runs for a very modest price ($40 when I was there). One way to check your advance is to try a run with more initial advance, then another with less, and see what the engine likes across the band.
-- Randall

On 27 February 2020 16:48:12 GMT-07:00, Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com> wrote:
>Have an early 71 TR6, still has the 41306 distributor with dual
>vacuums, advance and retard.  Did a little work on my distributor,
>wanted to check the function of the mechanical advance since I came
>across a new set of advance springs.  I know they are correct because
>they are Lucas and the correct part number as listed in the Lucas
>master catalog.
>the old springs were visibly different and softer.  The weight in my
>distributor was marked 13 degrees.  After I changed them, my timing at
>idle advanced 10-15 degrees.  I reset the timing to 8 BTDC.  I have
>always run there.  I use the advance 'till it pings and back off
>method. Have had it as much as 10 BTDC with no ping, but I prefer to
>run at 8. My retard works correctly, because it passes the test -idle
>increases 300rpm when pulled.  Still no ping under the test - high
>gear, full throttle 30-50 mph.  And no ping accelerating at full
>throttle from 70-80.
>Now...am I correct in thinking the car should run better at speed
>(3200rpm)?  My thinking is that the timing is more advanced at that rpm
>with the correct springs, than it was previously.
>Peter Arakelian
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From binduni at gmail.com  Fri Feb 28 17:02:52 2020
From: binduni at gmail.com (Brian Induni)
Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 16:02:52 -0800
Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
Message-ID: <CAHYQcSWAb4+60tHgODXV1PC=Diwh-1EfnbKTUpyxgWCvTb0mSg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm restoring
and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came with solid wheels,
but I have also have a set of nearly new (READ: in absolutely excellent
shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, I know, the stud are a
different length - been down that road a few times. My question is: is a
TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't plan on keeping it once it's
finished.... just a thing I have about the love of restoration. It's a
Malard blue car with factory OD (and still has OD), so I want to make the
car all it can be. Thoughts on the wheels?

Brian

--

Brian Induni

CEO, Classic Automotive Innovations
www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com <http://www.classicautoinnovations.com/>
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From PeterAra at msn.com  Fri Feb 28 19:09:07 2020
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 02:09:07 +0000
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB35644BF38FCE15A960DD1077C1E90@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the springs I may have made it so that all the mechanical advance is used up at idle and I may have no more at speed.  Where with the older springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have more advance at speed.
Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium advance?  If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical at idle since my idle timing jumped past the pully markings and I can only estimate a 10-15 degree jump. Maybe I should go back to the old springs.

>>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance
but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).?
I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like
you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would
also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at
3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before
because the full advance timing is now less.<<
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sat Feb 29 09:16:24 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 11:16:24 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Wiring
Message-ID: <460599299.583374.1582992984701@connect.xfinity.com>

Hi everyone.  I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience asking about how to route TR3 wiring.  I'd thought to link him for starters to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what they're for.  Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during my resto some 15 years ago now).  

Anybody have thoughts they can share with him?

Terry Smith  TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Feb 29 09:22:19 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 09:22:19 -0700
Subject: [TR] Wiring
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This?    http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkhead.htm

Geo

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi everyone.  I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience
> asking about how to route TR3 wiring.  I'd thought to link him for starters
> to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what
> they're for.  Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during
> my resto some 15 years ago now).
>
> Anybody have thoughts they can share with him?
>
> Terry Smith  TR3A  TS 58667
> New Hampshire
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Feb 29 09:29:01 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 11:29:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
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Brian,

I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on 
my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires. If I had to do 
it all over again, I would go with the Superlites on all 3.

Bob

On 2/28/20 7:02 PM, Brian Induni wrote:
> Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm 
> restoring and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came 
> with solid wheels, but I have also?have a set of nearly new (READ: in 
> absolutely excellent shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, 
> I know, the stud are a different length - been down that road a few 
> times. My question is: is a TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't 
> plan on keeping it once it's finished.... just a thing I have about 
> the love of restoration. It's a Malard blue car with factory OD (and 
> still has OD), so I want to make the car all it can be. Thoughts on 
> the wheels?
>
> Brian
>
> --
>
> Brian Induni
>
> CEO, Classic Automotive Innovations
> www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com <http://www.classicautoinnovations.com/>
>
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Feb 29 09:42:29 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:42:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
References: <879779748.1665464.1582994549985.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <879779748.1665464.1582994549985@mail.yahoo.com>

 I believe the question is "will a TR6 with wire wheels sell for a higher price than one with steel wheels.? I don't know what the market is but opinions vary on the desirability of wires on a TR6.? Personally, I don't care for wire wheels on the TR6.? I think the TR6 look is too modern for the anachronistic look of wire wheels.??? I love the look of wires on the TR3 and TR4, however.
But this is just my opinion.? I'm sure there are others who like the look of wire wheels on the TR6.? That is their opinion and equally valid.? It's all about what you like.

So the answer to the question is what is the market trend?
I don't know.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Brian Induni <binduni at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 10:29 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires

 Brian, I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires. If I had to do it all over again, I would go with the Superlites on all 3. 
  Bob
  On 2/28/20 7:02 PM, Brian Induni wrote:
  
 
Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm restoring and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came with solid wheels, but I have also?have a set of nearly new (READ: in absolutely excellent shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, I know, the stud are a different length - been down that road a few times. My question is: is a TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't plan on keeping it once it's finished.... just a thing I have about the love of restoration. It's a Malard blue car with factory OD (and still has OD), so I want to make the car all it can be. Thoughts on the wheels? 
  Brian 
  --
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 www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com? 
     
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Feb 29 09:43:39 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 09:43:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
In-Reply-To: <c862a940-2487-4a32-7a89-a9065df07a77@adelphia.net>
References: <CAHYQcSWAb4+60tHgODXV1PC=Diwh-1EfnbKTUpyxgWCvTb0mSg@mail.gmail.com>
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On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels 
> on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>

My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.? 
Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.

mjb.



From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Feb 29 09:48:00 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 10:48:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] Wiring
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bGHSRu3CrzAYXxeT97Yco0sVMLJErhoT6w0U=cwwecNtA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <460599299.583374.1582992984701@connect.xfinity.com>
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Message-ID: <000001d5ef20$0103dd00$030b9700$@flash.net>

Also, if he needs it, Frank Fisher sells a real nice large format full colour TR3 wiring diagram.  I have one and it is real handy whether you are doing a fresh install or chasing problems.  Yeah, I?m just a little biased.

Bill

TS 30800L 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:22 AM
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring

 

This?    http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkheadhtm <http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkhead.htm> 

 

Geo

 

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net <mailto:terryrs at comcast.net> > wrote:

Hi everyone.  I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience asking about how to route TR3 wiring.  I'd thought to link him for starters to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what they're for.  Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during my resto some 15 years ago now).   

 

Anybody have thoughts they can share with him? 

 

Terry Smith  TR3A  TS 58667 

New Hampshire 

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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sat Feb 29 11:16:33 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:16:33 -0600
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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I'm not saying all advance is used at idle, but what I'm saying is that 
when all the mechanical advance is used, you're at a different advance 
setting than before (you had to change the timing after changing the 
springs, so when you do that the full advance amount changes 
correspondingly).? I'm unclear which direction it changed.? Your "at 
3200 RPM" observation would almost always be at full advance regardless 
of which springs you're using.

Stiffer springs should equate to less advance at idle than before I'd think.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/28/2020 8:09 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
> Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the 
> springs I may have made it so that all?the mechanical advance is used 
> up at idle and?I?may have no more at speed.? Where with the older 
> springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have 
> more advance at speed.
> Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium 
> advance?? If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical 
> at idle since my idle timing jumped?past the pully markings and I can 
> only estimate a 10-15 degree jump.?Maybe I should go back to the old 
> springs.
> >>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance
> but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).?
> I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like
> you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would
> also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at
> 3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before
> because the full advance timing is now less.<<
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Feb 29 11:34:10 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:34:10 -0600
Subject: [TR] Yeah Spring!
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZ21Em0vvZdukt462fKOXBsTWAkhe19rHVoBDZbi9VPKw@mail.gmail.com>

I finally had some time to work on the Triumph today after a long time
spent working on the new old house we bought.  I am pretty sure the
occasional miss and rough running is fixed.

The PCV valve is a press fit into the intake manifold.  Over the fifty plus
years of use the press fit isn't so tight, and it has been coming out or
loose, resulting in a fairly major vacuum leak.

I wired it on, thought it looked janky, thought about shims or machining
for an o-ring (probably the best solution tight fit and no leaks), but not
having the equipment for making an o-ring groove, so ended up sticking a
greasy rag in the hole to catch swarf and drilling a hole for a set screw.

Functional, seems to be running much better, but the problem was
intermittent so time will tell.

Mostly just excited to have the new shop done and and time to work on the
car again.

Greg Lemon
TR250
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Feb 29 11:36:31 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:36:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
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References: <CAHYQcSWAb4+60tHgODXV1PC=Diwh-1EfnbKTUpyxgWCvTb0mSg@mail.gmail.com>
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You see the early 6s with wires more often.  I think they look ok, but the
stock wheels or panasports are more appropriate for the 70s vibe the car
has going.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels
> > on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
> >
>
> My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.
> Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sat Feb 29 11:54:55 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:55 +0000
Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
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ISTR that when I worked in the Export Dept at Standard Triumph five decades ago, the majority of TRs regardless of model, went to the US and Canada with wire wheels as production fitted extras. Similar for Spitfire and GT6. Can?t now remember the split between painted and chrome. Later, when I was selling them to North American visitors from the London showroom, as salesmen we did our damndest to ensure each car had wire wheels and overdrive too. The wires made the car look better and the overdrive made a straight four on the floor far less enjoyable than a seven speeder. And of course, the xtra sales commission was an important ingredient.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:43, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>> 
>> Brian,
>> 
>> I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>> 
> 
> My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.  Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From staffel at comcast.net  Sat Feb 29 12:42:28 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 14:42:28 -0500
Subject: [TR] Distributor Advance discission
Message-ID: <mailman.31.1583005364.2961.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Reminds me how I 'super tuned' my sisters' 63 Spitfire in the late 60s, early 70s: After installing new points ( think pts gap spec was .018) but if you set at that, they would close up ( too soon from initial breaking of points at cam contact ). So I would set at .020, and that way, after the initial wear. My sister would not get stranded while I was not available (SEAsia duty).However the final advance adjustment was turning the Lucas Wheel Advance adjustment 1/2 turn at a time till the top speed was 87mph. If the Speedo read 85 or 86, I tweeked the vernier till I got 87mph.So Randall again summarized well-' see what engine likes'!The fun days!? On my TR4, I upgraded to dual point Mallory Distributor. Inspected point gaps every month, re-adjusting to spec.?Thanks for the Memories!Sherman D Taffel?65 TR4 CT50054L?Columbia MD & Goldvein VAJag V12s, Jensen GTs (Lotus 907), Jensen Interceptor Convertible, Jensen MK1 RHD 383 project. Many Americans '36-2015Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From peterara at msn.com  Sat Feb 29 13:02:41 2020
From: peterara at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 20:02:41 +0000
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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I should have done this from the start.  checked the Bentley manual.  Lists my distributor and the advance specs.  Shows centrifugal advance at idle of 0-2 degrees on the crank.  So my stiffer springs are advancing too much initially, which will reduce the amount of extra advance I get at speed..  Will change back.

Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Tony Drews<mailto:tony at tonydrews.com>
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: distributor advance


I'm not saying all advance is used at idle, but what I'm saying is that when all the mechanical advance is used, you're at a different advance setting than before (you had to change the timing after changing the springs, so when you do that the full advance amount changes correspondingly).  I'm unclear which direction it changed.  Your "at 3200 RPM" observation would almost always be at full advance regardless of which springs you're using.

Stiffer springs should equate to less advance at idle than before I'd think.

Regards, Tony Drews
On 2/28/2020 8:09 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the springs I may have made it so that all the mechanical advance is used up at idle and I may have no more at speed.  Where with the older springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have more advance at speed.
Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium advance?  If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical at idle since my idle timing jumped past the pully markings and I can only estimate a 10-15 degree jump. Maybe I should go back to the old springs.

>>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance
but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).?
I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like
you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would
also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at
3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before
because the full advance timing is now less.<<

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Feb 29 17:18:51 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:18:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] FW:  Solid or wires
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Message-ID: <003601d5ef5e$fc8de6a0$f5a9b3e0$@ranteer.com>

I think my 30 year old son had the best response:  sell both sets and buy a set of Konig Rewinds!

 

See attached picture!

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:37 PM
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires

 

You see the early 6s with wires more often.  I think they look ok, but the stock wheels or panasports are more appropriate for the 70s vibe the car has going.

 

Greg Lemon

TR250

 

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com <mailto:mark at bradakis.com> > wrote:

On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels 
> on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>

My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.  
Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.

mjb.


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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Sat Feb 29 17:34:28 2020
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 00:34:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 54
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The car won't fetch the amount you paid for them plus they are not original on the car. I have a TR6 with solid wheels and am glad I don't have wire wheels. They look great until one comes off, I know that from personal experience. You really have be on top of them. I love wire wheels but you have to know how to inspect the. Check out mgaguru.com, they have a good rundown on checking splines, etc. Also, the VTR siteis helpfull. I wish I knew this 20 years ago. Good Luck!
Joe Mato62 Wood RoadRedding, CT 06896917 232 1555 

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Today's Topics:

? 1. Solid or wires (Brian Induni)
? 2. distributor advance (Peter Arakelian)
? 3. Wiring (TERRY SMITH)
? 4. Re: Wiring (Geo Hahn)
? 5. Re: Solid or wires (Bob)
? 6. Re: Solid or wires (DAVID MASSEY)
? 7. Re: Solid or wires (Mark J Bradakis)
? 8. Re: Wiring (wbeech)
? 9. Re: distributor advance (Tony Drews)
? 10. Yeah Spring! (Greg Lemon)
? 11. Re: Solid or wires (Greg Lemon)
? 12. Re: Solid or wires (John Macartney)


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Date: Fri, 28 Feb 2020 16:02:52 -0800
From: Brian Induni <binduni at gmail.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Solid or wires
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Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm restoring
and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came with solid wheels,
but I have also have a set of nearly new (READ: in absolutely excellent
shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, I know, the stud are a
different length - been down that road a few times. My question is: is a
TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't plan on keeping it once it's
finished.... just a thing I have about the love of restoration. It's a
Malard blue car with factory OD (and still has OD), so I want to make the
car all it can be. Thoughts on the wheels?

Brian

--

Brian Induni

CEO, Classic Automotive Innovations
www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com <http://www.classicautoinnovations.com/>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 02:09:07 +0000
From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
To: "tony at tonydrews.com" <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the springs I may have made it so that all the mechanical advance is used up at idle and I may have no more at speed.? Where with the older springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have more advance at speed.
Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium advance?? If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical at idle since my idle timing jumped past the pully markings and I can only estimate a 10-15 degree jump. Maybe I should go back to the old springs.

>>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance
but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).?
I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like
you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would
also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at
3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before
because the full advance timing is now less.<<
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 11:16:24 -0500 (EST)
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Wiring
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Hi everyone.? I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience asking about how to route TR3 wiring.? I'd thought to link him for starters to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what they're for.? Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during my resto some 15 years ago now).? 

Anybody have thoughts they can share with him?

Terry Smith? TR3A? TS 58667
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 09:22:19 -0700
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring
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This?? ? http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkhead.htm

Geo

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi everyone.? I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience
> asking about how to route TR3 wiring.? I'd thought to link him for starters
> to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what
> they're for.? Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during
> my resto some 15 years ago now).
>
> Anybody have thoughts they can share with him?
>
> Terry Smith? TR3A? TS 58667
> New Hampshire
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 11:29:01 -0500
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Brian Induni <binduni at gmail.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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Brian,

I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on 
my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires. If I had to do 
it all over again, I would go with the Superlites on all 3.

Bob

On 2/28/20 7:02 PM, Brian Induni wrote:
> Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm 
> restoring and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came 
> with solid wheels, but I have also?have a set of nearly new (READ: in 
> absolutely excellent shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, 
> I know, the stud are a different length - been down that road a few 
> times. My question is: is a TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't 
> plan on keeping it once it's finished.... just a thing I have about 
> the love of restoration. It's a Malard blue car with factory OD (and 
> still has OD), so I want to make the car all it can be. Thoughts on 
> the wheels?
>
> Brian
>
> --
>
> Brian Induni
>
> CEO, Classic Automotive Innovations
> www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com <http://www.classicautoinnovations.com/>
>
>
>
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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 16:42:29 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: yellowtr at adelphia.net, binduni at gmail.com, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
Message-ID: <879779748.1665464.1582994549985 at mail.yahoo.com>
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 I believe the question is "will a TR6 with wire wheels sell for a higher price than one with steel wheels.? I don't know what the market is but opinions vary on the desirability of wires on a TR6.? Personally, I don't care for wire wheels on the TR6.? I think the TR6 look is too modern for the anachronistic look of wire wheels.??? I love the look of wires on the TR3 and TR4, however.
But this is just my opinion.? I'm sure there are others who like the look of wire wheels on the TR6.? That is their opinion and equally valid.? It's all about what you like.

So the answer to the question is what is the market trend?
I don't know.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: Brian Induni <binduni at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 10:29 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires

 Brian, I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires. If I had to do it all over again, I would go with the Superlites on all 3. 
? Bob
? On 2/28/20 7:02 PM, Brian Induni wrote:
? 
 
Hello all. Hoping you can help with this. I have a '74 TR6 I'm restoring and am contemplating the wheels. The car originally came with solid wheels, but I have also?have a set of nearly new (READ: in absolutely excellent shape) Dayton wires that I could put on it. Yes, I know, the stud are a different length - been down that road a few times. My question is: is a TR6 more desirable with wires? I don't plan on keeping it once it's finished.... just a thing I have about the love of restoration. It's a Malard blue car with factory OD (and still has OD), so I want to make the car all it can be. Thoughts on the wheels? 
? Brian 
? --
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 www.ClassicAutoInnovations.com? 
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Message: 7
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 09:43:39 -0700
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>
> Brian,
>
> I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels 
> on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>

My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.? 
Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.

mjb.




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Message: 8
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 10:48:00 -0600
From: "wbeech" <wbeech at flash.net>
To: "'TERRY SMITH'" <terryrs at comcast.net>, "'triumphs'"
??? <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring
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Also, if he needs it, Frank Fisher sells a real nice large format full colour TR3 wiring diagram.? I have one and it is real handy whether you are doing a fresh install or chasing problems.? Yeah, I?m just a little biased.

Bill

TS 30800L 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:22 AM
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring

 

This?? ? http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkheadhtm <http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkhead.htm> 

 

Geo

 

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net <mailto:terryrs at comcast.net> > wrote:

Hi everyone.? I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience asking about how to route TR3 wiring.? I'd thought to link him for starters to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what they're for.? Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during my resto some 15 years ago now).? 

 

Anybody have thoughts they can share with him? 

 

Terry Smith? TR3A? TS 58667 

New Hampshire 

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Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:16:33 -0600
From: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
To: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] distributor advance
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I'm not saying all advance is used at idle, but what I'm saying is that 
when all the mechanical advance is used, you're at a different advance 
setting than before (you had to change the timing after changing the 
springs, so when you do that the full advance amount changes 
correspondingly).? I'm unclear which direction it changed.? Your "at 
3200 RPM" observation would almost always be at full advance regardless 
of which springs you're using.

Stiffer springs should equate to less advance at idle than before I'd think.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 2/28/2020 8:09 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
> Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the 
> springs I may have made it so that all?the mechanical advance is used 
> up at idle and?I?may have no more at speed.? Where with the older 
> springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have 
> more advance at speed.
> Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium 
> advance?? If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical 
> at idle since my idle timing jumped?past the pully markings and I can 
> only estimate a 10-15 degree jump.?Maybe I should go back to the old 
> springs.
> >>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance
> but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).?
> I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like
> you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would
> also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at
> 3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before
> because the full advance timing is now less.<<
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Message: 10
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:34:10 -0600
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Yeah Spring!
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I finally had some time to work on the Triumph today after a long time
spent working on the new old house we bought.? I am pretty sure the
occasional miss and rough running is fixed.

The PCV valve is a press fit into the intake manifold.? Over the fifty plus
years of use the press fit isn't so tight, and it has been coming out or
loose, resulting in a fairly major vacuum leak.

I wired it on, thought it looked janky, thought about shims or machining
for an o-ring (probably the best solution tight fit and no leaks), but not
having the equipment for making an o-ring groove, so ended up sticking a
greasy rag in the hole to catch swarf and drilling a hole for a set screw.

Functional, seems to be running much better, but the problem was
intermittent so time will tell.

Mostly just excited to have the new shop done and and time to work on the
car again.

Greg Lemon
TR250
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Message: 11
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 12:36:31 -0600
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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You see the early 6s with wires more often.? I think they look ok, but the
stock wheels or panasports are more appropriate for the 70s vibe the car
has going.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels
> > on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
> >
>
> My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.
> Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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Message: 12
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 18:54:55 +0000
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Solid or wires
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ISTR that when I worked in the Export Dept at Standard Triumph five decades ago, the majority of TRs regardless of model, went to the US and Canada with wire wheels as production fitted extras. Similar for Spitfire and GT6. Can?t now remember the split between painted and chrome. Later, when I was selling them to North American visitors from the London showroom, as salesmen we did our damndest to ensure each car had wire wheels and overdrive too. The wires made the car look better and the overdrive made a straight four on the floor far less enjoyable than a seven speeder. And of course, the xtra sales commission was an important ingredient.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:? ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 29 Feb 2020, at 16:43, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
>> On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>> 
>> Brian,
>> 
>> I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>> 
> 
> My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.? Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Feb 29 18:19:12 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 19:19:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] FW: Solid or wires
In-Reply-To: <003601d5ef5e$fc8de6a0$f5a9b3e0$@ranteer.com>
References: <CAHYQcSWAb4+60tHgODXV1PC=Diwh-1EfnbKTUpyxgWCvTb0mSg@mail.gmail.com>
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That is what I have on my car too, but it is not a TR6


On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 6:19 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> I think my 30 year old son had the best response:  sell both sets and buy
> a set of Konig Rewinds!
>
>
>
> See attached picture!
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg
> Lemon
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:37 PM
> *To:* Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Solid or wires
>
>
>
> You see the early 6s with wires more often.  I think they look ok, but the
> stock wheels or panasports are more appropriate for the 70s vibe the car
> has going.
>
>
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> TR250
>
>
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>
> On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
> >
> > Brian,
> >
> > I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock wheels
> > on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
> >
>
> My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin Redlines.
> Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Feb 29 18:32:37 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 29 Feb 2020 20:32:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] FW: Solid or wires
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Message-ID: <312d2720-f4ac-83d3-c570-d527803798ab@verizon.net>

check out ROTA RB's

look like the mini-lights only sharper edges, Come in a variety of 
colors with and without polished rims, are lighter and less expensive 
than most. They are also DOT legal in the U.S.!

18racing has always been a great source.... although the web site is a 
bit less freindly than it use to be.
I had them on my Miata, My Triumphs and my MG, and now on my 2014 Mini 
Clubman as well
 ? a 15x6" $150 +/-10 based on pcd, hub size color etc.
https://www.18racing.com/collections/rb?page=4

nfi just VERY happy with them

ptegler


On 2/29/2020 7:18 PM, dave wrote:
>
> I think my 30 year old son had the best response:? sell both sets and 
> buy a set of Konig Rewinds!
>
> See attached picture!
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Greg 
> Lemon
> *Sent:* Saturday, February 29, 2020 12:37 PM
> *To:* Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Solid or wires
>
> You see the early 6s with wires more often.? I think they look ok, but 
> the stock wheels or panasports are more appropriate for the 70s vibe 
> the car has going.
>
> Greg Lemon
>
> TR250
>
> On Sat, Feb 29, 2020, 10:43 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com 
> <mailto:mark at bradakis.com>> wrote:
>
>     On 2/29/20 9:29 AM, Bob wrote:
>     >
>     > Brian,
>     >
>     > I went with Superlites for my 72 6. Wires on my 63 4 and stock
>     wheels
>     > on my 3. All look great. I have never seen a 6 with wires.
>     >
>
>     My very early '69 TR6, CC25064 had wires on it, with Michelin
>     Redlines.
>     Wish I had pictures of it, great car while it lasted.
>
>     mjb.
>
>
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Feb 29 19:13:53 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 02:13:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Wiring
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 thank you BillFrank Fisher

    On Saturday, February 29, 2020, 08:48:15 AM PST, wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:  
 
 
Also, if he needs it, Frank Fisher sells a real nice large format full colour TR3 wiring diagram.? I have one and it is real handy whether you are doing a fresh install or chasing problems.? Yeah, I?m just a little biased.

Bill

TS 30800L 

 ?

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Geo Hahn
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:22 AM
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Wiring

 ?

This?? ? http://www.tr3a.info/Bulkheadhtm

 ?

Geo

 ?

On Sat, Feb 29, 2020 at 9:16 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:


Hi everyone.? I see there's a guy from Germany on The Triumph Experience asking about how to route TR3 wiring.? I'd thought to link him for starters to Terianne's web page that had a diagrzm of the bulkhead holes and what they're for.? Alas I don't see it (it was of tremendous he,p to me during my resto some 15 years ago now).?? 

 ?

Anybody have thoughts they can share with him? 

 ?

Terry Smith? TR3A? TS 58667 

New Hampshire 

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