From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul  1 12:39:56 2020
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:39:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumphs Digest TR6 oil Filter
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I have been reading the list for years without realizing what changing an oil filter involves. Apparently it can be done, it's just not easy. Once you realize the canister won't come out you can jimmy things around to make it happen. The engine compartment doesn't give you clearance to do much but you can pull on the steering column for movement and face the hole down to drain, clean, and replace the filter. I used some grease to hold the seal in and cleaned out the slot beforehand. Thanks to everyone who wrote about this. Joe Mato TR-6, Tr-3
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:04:32 +0100
From: "John Macartney" <john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
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Hi, Sujit

 

In answer to your query, very likely. I never got really close to engineering variances because I was in Export Sales but part of the job was to study and remember all the Engineering Change Bulletins and Service campaign changes. It makes sense to have an engine plate that would cover both engines and especially for Stag. What many people don?t know is that the Stag was originally going to have the TR6 2498cc engine as standard for all markets except North America where the V8 was to be a standard fitting with the V8 also being optional for all other markets. The decision to fit the V8 for all markets was taken very late in the day. I doubt there would be different engine mounts for the in-line or V8 because quite a large number of Stags in the UK have been retro fitted with the 2498cc engine, suitably tuned with twin SU carbs, a. TR5 cylinder head and camshaft and they are just a quick as the V8. The only thing missing is the V8 noise. Upgrading the axle ratio from the original 3.7
 :1 unit in favour of one from the fuel injected saloon of 3.45:1 is another improvement, especially with a four speed Borg Warner or ZF slush box from a Volvo or BMW.

 

As you may know, the Stag body was a shorter version of the larger saloon car whose monocoque body was exceptionally rigid. I do clearly recall the torsional rigidity of the saloon was exceptional for its day, requiring 6,500 lbs/ft of torque to twist it one degree. By Michelotti revamping the saloon into an open top tourer, much of that rigidity would be lost and that is why the ?T? bar was fitted. It wasn?t quite as twist resistant as the saloon, but good enough. At least you didn?t have to call on brute strength to line up the soft or hard top to engage the locking pegs on the screen rail.? 

 

Hope this helps. 

 

Jonmac

 

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Sent: 30 June 2020 17:27
To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD

 

Hello Jonmac,

Thanks for your email. On the Stag, the engine appears level. The offset is taken up by the engine plate. I dont have my parts book with me but was that engine plate repurposed from a Triumph 2000, 2.5 as there are some oddities on it which don't match up with the bell housing on the Stag.

Regards, Sujit

 

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:19 AM John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> > wrote:

The in line six engine was tilted by six degrees on the Triumph 2000 and 2500 to achieve a low bonnet line. As the Stag was originally planned to have two engines - the 2500 six and the V8, the position of the engine mounts was clearly never changed.

 

Jonmac

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On 30 Jun 2020, at 00:50, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> > wrote:


 


While installing the gearbox this weekend on a Stag, I noticed the gearbox is very slightly tilted to the right. I'm wondering if the TR6 which shares a similar looking box is also tilted?

If it is does anyone know why?

Sujit

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 15:01:13 -0400
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>,? New England Triumphs
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Subject: [TR] Original side curtain frames needed
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Hey all ~

I'm looking to get my side curtains rebuilt at TRF and find that they
won't rebuild my aftermarket curtains (Amco?). Anyone have a Dzus-
mounting set of side curtains that are in rebuildable condition that
they could be persuaded to sell? If so, please contact me off-list....

Thank you!!

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: 'David B Hammond' <dbh97530 at gmail.com>,? 'Anthony Rhodes'
??? <spamiam at comcast.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net,? Bill Brewer
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Subject: Re: [TR] 49 triumph razorback
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 but if anyone is interested, i know of a mayflower that is in great shape body wise, but needs finishing as a project.for sale at a bargain of a price.no financial interest on my part.
frank
? ? On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:16:41 AM PDT, Bill Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com> wrote:? 
 
 ? ? I had a 1952 Triumph Renown for 7 years and just sold it about 3 or 4 months ago. I had to sell it quickly as I was relocating and had no place to keep it. Mine was complete, running and driving. I loved it. The car looked great, but needed a lot of love. They all do. Mine had a crack in the engine block and leaked about a quart of oil every 10 miles, mostly blowing past the rear seal. They sure are cute. The car felt terrifying about 60 mph.
??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmEkHD8RpE&t=5s
? ? There is an active club in UK, but a Razoredge owner in the states is a lonely guy. The Triumph Razoredge Owners Club website is http://www.trocltd.com/. There is also a Renown group on Facebook.
? ? Spare body panels and trim are essentially non-existent. Same with proprietary rubber parts. 
? ? Usually Triumph Razoredge projects go in the $5,000 range if they are complete and not basket cases. Restored Razoredges command a lot less money that a TR3, usually around $10,000 or $12,000. There just isn't the demand for them. I sold my Renown to a friend in Utah who will love it and keep it on the road.
? ? You will not make money with the car. You'll love it though.

? ? -Bill Brewer


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Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback

I just stumbled across this car. A 49 triumph razorback. Been sitting for years. Can anyone tell me about value? This one needs restoration. Value now and finished?
David in Oregon

 


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jul  1 12:43:41 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 18:43:41 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumphs Digest TR6 oil Filter
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 The interesting part is the service manual shows a picture of the oil filter change-out on a RHD model.? IOW, there is not steering shaft in the way.
If only...
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net>
To: TR List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 1:39 pm
Subject: [TR] Fw: Triumphs Digest TR6 oil Filter

I have been reading the list for years without realizing what changing an oil filter involves. Apparently it can be done, it's just not easy. Once you realize the canister won't come out you can jimmy things around to make it happen. The engine compartment doesn't give you clearance to do much but you can pull on the steering column for movement and face the hole down to drain, clean, and replace the filter. I used some grease to hold the seal in and cleaned out the slot beforehand. Thanks to everyone who wrote about this. Joe Mato TR-6, Tr-3
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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:04:32 +0100
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Subject: Re: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD
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Hi, Sujit

 

In answer to your query, very likely. I never got really close to engineering variances because I was in Export Sales but part of the job was to study and remember all the Engineering Change Bulletins and Service campaign changes. It makes sense to have an engine plate that would cover both engines and especially for Stag. What many people don?t know is that the Stag was originally going to have the TR6 2498cc engine as standard for all markets except North America where the V8 was to be a standard fitting with the V8 also being optional for all other markets. The decision to fit the V8 for all markets was taken very late in the day. I doubt there would be different engine mounts for the in-line or V8 because quite a large number of Stags in the UK have been retro fitted with the 2498cc engine, suitably tuned with twin SU carbs, a. TR5 cylinder head and camshaft and they are just a quick as the V8. The only thing missing is the V8 noise. Upgrading the axle ratio from the original 3.7
 :1 unit in favour of one from the fuel injected saloon of 3.45:1 is another improvement, especially with a four speed Borg Warner or ZF slush box from a Volvo or BMW.

 

As you may know, the Stag body was a shorter version of the larger saloon car whose monocoque body was exceptionally rigid. I do clearly recall the torsional rigidity of the saloon was exceptional for its day, requiring 6,500 lbs/ft of torque to twist it one degree. By Michelotti revamping the saloon into an open top tourer, much of that rigidity would be lost and that is why the ?T? bar was fitted. It wasn?t quite as twist resistant as the saloon, but good enough. At least you didn?t have to call on brute strength to line up the soft or hard top to engage the locking pegs on the screen rail.? 

 

Hope this helps. 

 

Jonmac

 

From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> 
Sent: 30 June 2020 17:27
To: John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD

 

Hello Jonmac,

Thanks for your email. On the Stag, the engine appears level. The offset is taken up by the engine plate. I dont have my parts book with me but was that engine plate repurposed from a Triumph 2000, 2.5 as there are some oddities on it which don't match up with the bell housing on the Stag.

Regards, Sujit

 

On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:19 AM John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> > wrote:

The in line six engine was tilted by six degrees on the Triumph 2000 and 2500 to achieve a low bonnet line. As the Stag was originally planned to have two engines - the 2500 six and the V8, the position of the engine mounts was clearly never changed.

 

Jonmac

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Lord Uxbridge:? ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?

Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?

 


On 30 Jun 2020, at 00:50, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com <mailto:triumphstag at gmail.com> > wrote:


 


While installing the gearbox this weekend on a Stag, I noticed the gearbox is very slightly tilted to the right. I'm wondering if the TR6 which shares a similar looking box is also tilted?

If it is does anyone know why?

Sujit

Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California


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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 15:01:13 -0400
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
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Subject: [TR] Original side curtain frames needed
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Hey all ~

I'm looking to get my side curtains rebuilt at TRF and find that they
won't rebuild my aftermarket curtains (Amco?). Anyone have a Dzus-
mounting set of side curtains that are in rebuildable condition that
they could be persuaded to sell? If so, please contact me off-list....

Thank you!!

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Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC)
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: 'David B Hammond' <dbh97530 at gmail.com>,? 'Anthony Rhodes'
??? <spamiam at comcast.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net,? Bill Brewer
??? <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] 49 triumph razorback
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 but if anyone is interested, i know of a mayflower that is in great shape body wise, but needs finishing as a project.for sale at a bargain of a price.no financial interest on my part.
frank
? ? On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:16:41 AM PDT, Bill Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com> wrote:? 
 
 ? ? I had a 1952 Triumph Renown for 7 years and just sold it about 3 or 4 months ago. I had to sell it quickly as I was relocating and had no place to keep it. Mine was complete, running and driving. I loved it. The car looked great, but needed a lot of love. They all do. Mine had a crack in the engine block and leaked about a quart of oil every 10 miles, mostly blowing past the rear seal. They sure are cute. The car felt terrifying about 60 mph.
??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmEkHD8RpE&t=5s
? ? There is an active club in UK, but a Razoredge owner in the states is a lonely guy. The Triumph Razoredge Owners Club website is http://www.trocltd.com/. There is also a Renown group on Facebook.
? ? Spare body panels and trim are essentially non-existent. Same with proprietary rubber parts. 
? ? Usually Triumph Razoredge projects go in the $5,000 range if they are complete and not basket cases. Restored Razoredges command a lot less money that a TR3, usually around $10,000 or $12,000. There just isn't the demand for them. I sold my Renown to a friend in Utah who will love it and keep it on the road.
? ? You will not make money with the car. You'll love it though.

? ? -Bill Brewer


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From: David B Hammond [mailto:dbh97530 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:55 PM
To: 'Anthony Rhodes'; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback

I just stumbled across this car. A 49 triumph razorback. Been sitting for years. Can anyone tell me about value? This one needs restoration. Value now and finished?
David in Oregon

 


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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Jul  1 13:34:17 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 15:34:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] Original Side Curtain Frames
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwjxEpEu_W3ydMwCTg7sauKiRqM5sYcJtD5JL8dRSaJS_A@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all!

Just wanted to say a big *THANKS SO MUCH* to all who responded
to my request for a good set of original side curtain frames for my
'59 TR3A. I believe I have found a good source and hope to get to
see them soon!

Such a great response is very encouraging.... A safe Fourth to one
and all.

Dave Friedlander
Maine
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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Wed Jul  1 13:37:45 2020
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 19:37:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Mayflower
References: <1746027061.1145689.1593632265004.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1746027061.1145689.1593632265004@mail.yahoo.com>

My favorite Triumph joke:
"I named my car The Mayflower because so many women came across in it."
Sorry, just had to share that.
George.?
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From lherault at verizon.net  Wed Jul  1 14:28:56 2020
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Wed, 1 Jul 2020 16:28:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] Roadster Factory
References: <002601d64fe6$3eb378f0$bc1a6ad0$.ref@net>
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I just had the nicest experience with TRF, which is my primary go to for
TR-6 parts.   The steering rubber joint I need is on BO and I inquired as to
how long it might be before they got more.  Albert responded quickly that it
would be at least a week if not more.  He then took the time to find another
supplier who has it in stock and let me know.   Wow.  TRF rocks!

 

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From soknacki at soknacki.com  Wed Jul  1 21:02:02 2020
From: soknacki at soknacki.com (David Soknacki)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 03:02:02 +0000
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB32665E698423E8527A5B691DB56D0@QB1PR01MB3266.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

I had an aluminum fuel tank from Boyd Welding installed in my 74 TR6. I knew that it was larger than the standard tank. So when I picked up my car, I wasn't surprised to hear that my spare tire was a tight fit. Only today I found out that the spare fit only because it was deflated! Fortunately I made the discovery in my driveway.
So I need a spare tire.
What is the thinking of list members for getting a 'space saver' tire instead of one that is full size?
I wouldn't plan to drive far or quickly on a space-saver, and having flat space in the boot would be nice. On the other hand I'm not sure if my tailpipe would drag or whether a short drive on the space-saver would cause other problems.
The (deflated) spare is a P205/65 R15. If I were to replace it with a full size tire, I plan to look at something as narrow as a 175/65R15. Being 30mm more narrow might even allow me to inflate my spare!
Please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks so much.

David Soknacki

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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Thu Jul  2 05:22:05 2020
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 07:22:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
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Hi David,
As the designer of the Boyd tank (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AluminumTank.htm, I can say the design was done with the use of a Space Saver Spare (SSS) in mind. Actually I?ve had a SSS in my car since ?08 (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpaceSaverSpare.htm ) and didn?t give the full sized spare a second thought in the tank design. A SSS gives you a nice flat trunk, extra storage space and saves over 17 pounds of dead weight versus a full size spare.

Bob

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: David Soknacki
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:04 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

I had an aluminum fuel tank from Boyd Welding installed in my 74 TR6. I knew that it was larger than the standard tank. So when I picked up my car, I wasn?t surprised to hear that my spare tire was a tight fit. Only today I found out that the spare fit only because it was deflated! Fortunately I made the discovery in my driveway.
So I need a spare tire.
What is the thinking of list members for getting a ?space saver? tire instead of one that is full size?
I wouldn?t plan to drive far or quickly on a space-saver, and having flat space in the boot would be nice. On the other hand I?m not sure if my tailpipe would drag or whether a short drive on the space-saver would cause other problems.
The (deflated) spare is a P205/65 R15. If I were to replace it with a full size tire, I plan to look at something as narrow as a 175/65R15. Being 30mm more narrow might even allow me to inflate my spare!
Please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks so much.
David Soknacki
74 TR6 CF22072U


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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Jul  2 06:07:18 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 08:07:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
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Looks like a good match. I must say that over the years I have been very fortunate and have seldom needed the spare tire that I had (or usually didn?t have). Most flats I have discovered were in the morning when the car or truck was sitting in the driveway.

 

I think the only thing to remember is that once you have a flat tire, where will you put it if only a space saver will fit in the spare tire compartment. If the car is fully loaded up - truck, rack, and behind-the-seats - as on a long distance trip, the passenger may object to keeping it in his or her lap until you can get it repaired and back on the car. Of course, if the full size tire is fully deflated, maybe this is not an issue as it might fit where intended. 

 

Bob ? I always amazed at the amount of material that you have published on your website! I learn something new every time I visit it.  

 

Thanks

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 7:22 AM
To: David Soknacki; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

 

Hi David,

As the designer of the Boyd tank (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AluminumTank.htm, I can say the design was done with the use of a Space Saver Spare (SSS) in mind. Actually I?ve had a SSS in my car since ?08 (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpaceSaverSpare.htm ) and didn?t give the full sized spare a second thought in the tank design. A SSS gives you a nice flat trunk, extra storage space and saves over 17 pounds of dead weight versus a full size spare.

 

Bob

 

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

 

From: David Soknacki <mailto:soknacki at soknacki.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:04 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

 

I had an aluminum fuel tank from Boyd Welding installed in my 74 TR6. I knew that it was larger than the standard tank. So when I picked up my car, I wasn?t surprised to hear that my spare tire was a tight fit. Only today I found out that the spare fit only because it was deflated! Fortunately I made the discovery in my driveway.

So I need a spare tire.

What is the thinking of list members for getting a ?space saver? tire instead of one that is full size?

I wouldn?t plan to drive far or quickly on a space-saver, and having flat space in the boot would be nice. On the other hand I?m not sure if my tailpipe would drag or whether a short drive on the space-saver would cause other problems.

The (deflated) spare is a P205/65 R15. If I were to replace it with a full size tire, I plan to look at something as narrow as a 175/65R15. Being 30mm more narrow might even allow me to inflate my spare!

Please let me know your thoughts.

Thanks so much.

David Soknacki

74 TR6 CF22072U

 

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jul  2 06:14:35 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:14:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
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 Or leave it deflated and carry a can of Fix-A-Flat for when (if) you need it.
Another option is to get a tyre/wheel from a TR3-4.? It has a narrower rim and tire and will easily fit if the 205 just barely fits.

I have a space-saver spare but I forgot what it was from.? It opened up a nice bit of room in the well.
So, does the new tank have a larger capacity?
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:02 pm
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Thu Jul  2 06:37:39 2020
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 08:37:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
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David? if you read my post, you?ll find links to the tank design and the Space Saver Spare


Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:14 AM
To: soknacki at soknacki.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

Or leave it deflated and carry a can of Fix-A-Flat for when (if) you need it.

Another option is to get a tyre/wheel from a TR3-4.? It has a narrower rim and tire and will easily fit if the 205 just barely fits.

I have a space-saver spare but I forgot what it was from.? It opened up a nice bit of room in the well.

So, does the new tank have a larger capacity?

Dave 


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From: David Soknacki <soknacki at soknacki.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:02 pm
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
I had an aluminum fuel tank from Boyd Welding installed in my 74 TR6. I knew that it was larger than the standard tank. So when I picked up my car, I wasn?t surprised to hear that my spare tire was a tight fit. Only today I found out that the spare fit only because it was deflated! Fortunately I made the discovery in my driveway.
So I need a spare tire.
What is the thinking of list members for getting a ?space saver? tire instead of one that is full size?
I wouldn?t plan to drive far or quickly on a space-saver, and having flat space in the boot would be nice. On the other hand I?m not sure if my tailpipe would drag or whether a short drive on the space-saver would cause other problems.
The (deflated) spare is a P205/65 R15. If I were to replace it with a full size tire, I plan to look at something as narrow as a 175/65R15. Being 30mm more narrow might even allow me to inflate my spare!
Please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks so much.
David Soknacki
74 TR6 CF22072U
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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Thu Jul  2 06:39:45 2020
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 08:39:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
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Alex?. The issue with the full size spare is that it fits but only if some air is let out?.. so a fully flat one will fit fine. The SSS fits just fine fully inflated.

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: Alex & Janet Thomson
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:07 AM
To: 'Bob Danielson'; 'David Soknacki'; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

Looks like a good match. I must say that over the years I have been very fortunate and have seldom needed the spare tire that I had (or usually didn?t have). Most flats I have discovered were in the morning when the car or truck was sitting in the driveway.

I think the only thing to remember is that once you have a flat tire, where will you put it if only a space saver will fit in the spare tire compartment. If the car is fully loaded up - truck, rack, and behind-the-seats - as on a long distance trip, the passenger may object to keeping it in his or her lap until you can get it repaired and back on the car. Of course, if the full size tire is fully deflated, maybe this is not an issue as it might fit where intended. 

Bob ? I always amazed at the amount of material that you have published on your website! I learn something new every time I visit it.? 

Thanks

Alex Thomson

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob Danielson
Sent: Thursday, July 02, 2020 7:22 AM
To: David Soknacki; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

Hi David,
As the designer of the Boyd tank (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/AluminumTank.htm, I can say the design was done with the use of a Space Saver Spare (SSS) in mind. Actually I?ve had a SSS in my car since ?08 (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpaceSaverSpare.htm ) and didn?t give the full sized spare a second thought in the tank design. A SSS gives you a nice flat trunk, extra storage space and saves over 17 pounds of dead weight versus a full size spare.

Bob

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: David Soknacki
Sent: Wednesday, July 1, 2020 11:04 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

I had an aluminum fuel tank from Boyd Welding installed in my 74 TR6. I knew that it was larger than the standard tank. So when I picked up my car, I wasn?t surprised to hear that my spare tire was a tight fit. Only today I found out that the spare fit only because it was deflated! Fortunately I made the discovery in my driveway.
So I need a spare tire.
What is the thinking of list members for getting a ?space saver? tire instead of one that is full size?
I wouldn?t plan to drive far or quickly on a space-saver, and having flat space in the boot would be nice. On the other hand I?m not sure if my tailpipe would drag or whether a short drive on the space-saver would cause other problems.
The (deflated) spare is a P205/65 R15. If I were to replace it with a full size tire, I plan to look at something as narrow as a 175/65R15. Being 30mm more narrow might even allow me to inflate my spare!
Please let me know your thoughts.
Thanks so much.
David Soknacki
74 TR6 CF22072U



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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jul  2 06:57:30 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:57:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
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 And so I did.? Quite elaborate.? An additional three gallons means another 75 miles or so between fills.? Cool.
Here's an idea for you.? I've always found the differential hump annoying, especially when putting a cooler behind the seats.? As it turns out that hump was there to accommodate the live axle and the diff on the IRS models is well clear of the parcel shelf.? I removed my hump by drilling out the spot welds and made up a flat plate to replace it.


I installed it using seam sealer and pop rivets.
I had to include a shut-off plate because the rear bulkhead panel had the cut-out for the hump.? A new panel without the cut-out would look better. as would a new piece of carpet without the hump cut-out? But my car is a driver and I left the old panel and carpet in place? 

Also, this mod would simplify the design of your tank.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>; soknacki at soknacki.com <soknacki at soknacki.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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Subject: RE: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

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Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 8:14 AM
To: soknacki at soknacki.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare? ?Or leave it deflated and carry a can of Fix-A-Flat for when (if) you need it. ?Another option is to get a tyre/wheel from a TR3-4.? It has a narrower rim and tire and will easily fit if the 205 just barely fits. ?I have a space-saver spare but I forgot what it was from.? It opened up a nice bit of room in the well. ?So, does the new tank have a larger capacity? ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jul 1, 2020 10:02 pm
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?I had an aluminum fuel tank from Boyd Welding installed in my 74 TR6. I knew that it was larger than the standard tank. So when I picked up my car, I wasn?t surprised to hear that my spare tire was a tight fit. Only today I found out that the spare fit only because it was deflated! Fortunately I made the discovery in my driveway.So I need a spare tire.What is the thinking of list members for getting a ?space saver? tire instead of one that is full size?I wouldn?t plan to drive far or quickly on a space-saver, and having flat space in the boot would be nice. On the other hand I?m not sure if my tailpipe would drag or whether a short drive on the space-saver would cause other problems.The (deflated) spare is a P205/65 R15. If I were to replace it with a full size tire, I plan to look at something as narrow as a 175/65R15. Being 30mm more narrow might even allow me to inflate my spare!Please let me know your thoughts.Thanks so much.David Soknacki74 TR6 CF22072U?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Thu Jul  2 10:24:00 2020
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 12:24:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Replacing or rebuilding TR3A differential
Message-ID: <00848faef1993caf0a9d4a36a5759cf2@mail.gmail.com>

The pinion gear in the 3.7:1 differential of my 1960 TR3A (s/n 68639L) broke
a couple of teeth so that now I need to rebuild the differential and replace
the crown and pinion gears. I?m intimidated by the repair because it looks
like the repair requires more expertise that I have and because the TR3
service manual specifies special Churchill tools that I don?t have and that
seem to be unavailable.

The idea of replacing the differential rather than rebuilding it holds
considerable appeal. I?d welcome any suggestions from the list about
- Where I might be able to source a working diff to replace mine with?
- Any readily-available rear ends that I might be able to swap in (e.g.,
from another model or make of car)?

If a replacement isn?t feasible, I?d appreciate input from the list about:
- Shops/mechanics that have experience rebuilding Triumph differentials
- Where I could buy/rent/borrow the special Churchill tools that the service
manual specifies
- Alternatives to the Churchill tools (S101, M84, S4221, S103, M70, TS1,
M85, S132/2)
- Advice about other tools that will be needed (e.g., what size press) or
outside services that would make the job easier

Of course any tales from those that have been there/done that would also be
welcome.

Thank-you,

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Thu Jul  2 11:39:36 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:39:36 -0700
Subject: [TR] Replacing or rebuilding TR3A differential
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Dave,

Any competent off road shop can do this for you, my experience has been that if you bring them the parts, they can run through it in a few hours.

I replaced a broken ring and pinion on my TR3 a few years ago, the shop labor was less than $200


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave MacKay
Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:24 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Replacing or rebuilding TR3A differential

The pinion gear in the 3.7:1 differential of my 1960 TR3A (s/n 68639L) broke a couple of teeth so that now I need to rebuild the differential and replace the crown and pinion gears. I?m intimidated by the repair because it looks like the repair requires more expertise that I have and because the TR3 service manual specifies special Churchill tools that I don?t have and that seem to be unavailable.

The idea of replacing the differential rather than rebuilding it holds considerable appeal. I?d welcome any suggestions from the list about
- Where I might be able to source a working diff to replace mine with?
- Any readily-available rear ends that I might be able to swap in (e.g., from another model or make of car)?

If a replacement isn?t feasible, I?d appreciate input from the list about:
- Shops/mechanics that have experience rebuilding Triumph differentials
- Where I could buy/rent/borrow the special Churchill tools that the service manual specifies
- Alternatives to the Churchill tools (S101, M84, S4221, S103, M70, TS1, M85, S132/2)
- Advice about other tools that will be needed (e.g., what size press) or outside services that would make the job easier

Of course any tales from those that have been there/done that would also be welcome.

Thank-you,

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jul  2 11:40:48 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 10:40:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] Replacing or rebuilding TR3A differential
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Most likely, any rear end that might be available, will also need rebuilding.  I rebuilt the one in my TR3 when I found problems after a specialist first did the job.  It can be done without Churchill tools, but I would recommend an expert with a stellar reputation do this work.  Perhaps shipping it to the right shop would be best.  
Dave H. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 2, 2020, at 9:24 AM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> 
> The pinion gear in the 3.7:1 differential of my 1960 TR3A (s/n 68639L) broke
> a couple of teeth so that now I need to rebuild the differential and replace
> the crown and pinion gears. I?m intimidated by the repair because it looks
> like the repair requires more expertise that I have and because the TR3
> service manual specifies special Churchill tools that I don?t have and that
> seem to be unavailable.
> 
> The idea of replacing the differential rather than rebuilding it holds
> considerable appeal. I?d welcome any suggestions from the list about
> - Where I might be able to source a working diff to replace mine with?
> - Any readily-available rear ends that I might be able to swap in (e.g.,
> from another model or make of car)?
> 
> If a replacement isn?t feasible, I?d appreciate input from the list about:
> - Shops/mechanics that have experience rebuilding Triumph differentials
> - Where I could buy/rent/borrow the special Churchill tools that the service
> manual specifies
> - Alternatives to the Churchill tools (S101, M84, S4221, S103, M70, TS1,
> M85, S132/2)
> - Advice about other tools that will be needed (e.g., what size press) or
> outside services that would make the job easier
> 
> Of course any tales from those that have been there/done that would also be
> welcome.
> 
> Thank-you,
> 
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
> near Toronto, Canada
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> 
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From pdqtr6 at comcast.net  Thu Jul  2 15:17:21 2020
From: pdqtr6 at comcast.net (Tom Walling)
Date: Thu, 2 Jul 2020 17:17:21 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Replacing or rebuilding TR3A differential
In-Reply-To: <000001d65097$c2f44340$48dcc9c0$@cox.net>
References: <00848faef1993caf0a9d4a36a5759cf2@mail.gmail.com>
 <000001d65097$c2f44340$48dcc9c0$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <828531738.14229.1593724641583@connect.xfinity.com>

I have had my diff rebuilt by John Esposito at Quantumechanics in Connecticut. His website is "under construction" now, but you can email him at john at quantumechanics.com or call at (203) 463-8299. For years he has been the "gold standard" for all things British that have gears in them (diffs, overdrives, transmissions). But hurry - none of us are getting any younger...

> On 07/02/2020 1:39 PM jpaynepbr at cox.net wrote:
> 
>  
> Dave,
> 
> Any competent off road shop can do this for you, my experience has been that if you bring them the parts, they can run through it in a few hours.
> 
> I replaced a broken ring and pinion on my TR3 a few years ago, the shop labor was less than $200
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Dave MacKay
> Sent: Thursday, July 2, 2020 9:24 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Replacing or rebuilding TR3A differential
> 
> The pinion gear in the 3.7:1 differential of my 1960 TR3A (s/n 68639L) broke a couple of teeth so that now I need to rebuild the differential and replace the crown and pinion gears. I?m intimidated by the repair because it looks like the repair requires more expertise that I have and because the TR3 service manual specifies special Churchill tools that I don?t have and that seem to be unavailable.
> 
> The idea of replacing the differential rather than rebuilding it holds considerable appeal. I?d welcome any suggestions from the list about
> - Where I might be able to source a working diff to replace mine with?
> - Any readily-available rear ends that I might be able to swap in (e.g., from another model or make of car)?
> 
> If a replacement isn?t feasible, I?d appreciate input from the list about:
> - Shops/mechanics that have experience rebuilding Triumph differentials
> - Where I could buy/rent/borrow the special Churchill tools that the service manual specifies
> - Alternatives to the Churchill tools (S101, M84, S4221, S103, M70, TS1, M85, S132/2)
> - Advice about other tools that will be needed (e.g., what size press) or outside services that would make the job easier
> 
> Of course any tales from those that have been there/done that would also be welcome.
> 
> Thank-you,
> 
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L
> near Toronto, Canada
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 10:19:50 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 12:19:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
In-Reply-To: <1MXpU8-1jIqwb30VI-00Y88y@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <QB1PR01MB32665E698423E8527A5B691DB56D0@QB1PR01MB3266.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:22 AM Bob Danielson
<75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote:
>
> the design was done with the use of a Space Saver Spare (SSS) in mind. Actually I?ve had a SSS in my car since ?08 (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpaceSaverSpare.htm )

I'm not sure how I'd feel driving on a (minimum) 27 year old tire,
even at 50 MPH for 50 miles.  I'll never forget the day my original
unused Volvo space saver spare exploded in the back of the wagon.  I'm
just glad I wasn't driving when it happened.

As always, YMMV.

From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Fri Jul  3 13:50:38 2020
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:50:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7COGaTPEBZS4wXFrUmdG7oUi4h0cAdG9+_3+p2DfTo7QoQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <QB1PR01MB32665E698423E8527A5B691DB56D0@QB1PR01MB3266.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
 <1MXpU8-1jIqwb30VI-00Y88y@mrelay.perfora.net>
 <CAO8Q7COGaTPEBZS4wXFrUmdG7oUi4h0cAdG9+_3+p2DfTo7QoQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <0LyFyl-1im3WE0kc9-015Zzm@mrelay.perfora.net>

That write up was from ?08 and I?m sure any junkyard can cross reference that tire to another newer one. ?. Which I probably should do.

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: Jeff Scarbrough
Sent: Friday, July 3, 2020 12:20 PM
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: Re: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

On Thu, Jul 2, 2020 at 7:22 AM Bob Danielson
<75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote:
>
> the design was done with the use of a Space Saver Spare (SSS) in mind. Actually I?ve had a SSS in my car since ?08 (http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/SpaceSaverSpare.htm )

I'm not sure how I'd feel driving on a (minimum) 27 year old tire,
even at 50 MPH for 50 miles.  I'll never forget the day my original
unused Volvo space saver spare exploded in the back of the wagon.  I'm
just glad I wasn't driving when it happened.

As always, YMMV.
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Fri Jul  3 13:53:44 2020
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 15:53:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7COGaTPEBZS4wXFrUmdG7oUi4h0cAdG9+_3+p2DfTo7QoQ@mail.gmail.com>
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 <1MXpU8-1jIqwb30VI-00Y88y@mrelay.perfora.net>
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My space saver spare from an altima (i think), fit fine on the 6 with no
spacer.

Since I would not go much over 45 on a space saver spare, I'm pretty
confident I'd be ok.  But might be a good idea to put the oldest tire on
the rear....
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From soknacki at soknacki.com  Fri Jul  3 15:34:44 2020
From: soknacki at soknacki.com (David Soknacki)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 21:34:44 +0000
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
Message-ID: <QB1PR01MB3266E6875E629AB171F9BE55B56A0@QB1PR01MB3266.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

It fits!

Today I purchased a new cheapie 165/60R15 radial tire. It's in the well now. There's a flange at the rear of the well that I'll need to remove, but once I do so, the new tire ought to go in and out snugly but easily. Total cost: CAD 100 all-in (say USD 75), mounted on my rim.
I would have pursued the space-saver option if necessary. But I've installed disk brakes in the front, and didn't want to risk that a space-saver would not fit without further modifications.
Many thanks to all who contributed their advice; I appreciate all of your help.
D

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jul  3 16:40:47 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 3 Jul 2020 22:40:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?
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 Well, Happy Canada day (a day or two late)
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: David Soknacki <soknacki at soknacki.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Jul 3, 2020 4:34 pm
Subject: [TR] Space-saver or full-size spare?

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Today I purchased a new cheapie 165/60R15 radial tire. It's in the well now. There's a flange at the rear of the well that I'll need to remove, but once I do so, the new tire ought to go in and out snugly but easily. Total cost: CAD 100 all-in (say USD 75), mounted on my rim. I would have pursued the space-saver option if necessary. But I?ve installed disk brakes in the front, and didn?t want to risk that a space-saver would not fit without further modifications. Many thanks to all who contributed their advice; I appreciate all of your help. D  ? ** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Sat Jul  4 07:12:23 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 09:12:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] lost email address
Message-ID: <0DDF85D9-B496-40DD-A8CE-C00F52B62F30@columbus.rr.com>

Jomac McCarty check in with me please

From jeffn at msystech.com  Sat Jul  4 20:34:46 2020
From: jeffn at msystech.com (Jeff Nathanson)
Date: Sat, 4 Jul 2020 22:34:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
Message-ID: <000001d65274$daa1a940$8fe4fbc0$@msystech.com>

Hello,

 

I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of WIX
oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on conversion?
If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded manufacturer
for an oil filter?

 

Thanks,

Jeff N.

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From jmcoh at comcast.net  Sat Jul  4 21:13:10 2020
From: jmcoh at comcast.net (John Cohen)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 23:13:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <000001d65274$daa1a940$8fe4fbc0$@msystech.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.6.1593918797.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>

The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516.?John CohenRutland, VT1976 TR6Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S
-------- Original message --------From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com> Date: 7/4/20  22:34  (GMT-05:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on Hello,?I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded manufacturer for an oil filter??Thanks,Jeff N. 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jul  4 22:13:25 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 04 Jul 2020 23:13:25 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <20200705031645.D8FA6A0FE0@autox.team.net>
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He is absolutely right.? ?Been using wix for over a decade.? ?Good choice
-------- Original message --------From: John Cohen <jmcoh at comcast.net> Date: 7/4/20  10:13 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516.?John CohenRutland, VT1976 TR6Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S-------- Original message --------From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com> Date: 7/4/20  22:34  (GMT-05:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on Hello,?I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded manufacturer for an oil filter??Thanks,Jeff N. 
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 07:07:12 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 06:07:12 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
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References: <20200705041359.57F71A10BB@autox.team.net>
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On 7/4/20 9:13 PM, dave wrote:
> He is absolutely right.? ?Been using wix for over a decade.? ?Good choice

Been using WIX and NAPA gold (made by WIX) for at least 4 decades in my 
Land Rover and 3 decades in my T3. Wouldn't use anything else.

TeriAnn

>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: John Cohen <jmcoh at comcast.net>
> Date: 7/4/20 10:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
>
> The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516.
>
> John Cohen
> Rutland, VT
> 1976 TR6
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>
> Date: 7/4/20 22:34 (GMT-05:00)
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
>
> Hello,
>
> I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number 
> of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on 
> conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly 
> regarded manufacturer for an oil filter?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff N.
>

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sun Jul  5 08:07:59 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 10:07:59 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <9557bdab-7e2d-70c2-3211-13b51b147186@gmail.com>
References: <20200705041359.57F71A10BB@autox.team.net>
 <9557bdab-7e2d-70c2-3211-13b51b147186@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <771944429.23718.1593958079783@connect.xfinity.com>

Ditto on that.  There's a YouTube video of a guy who does a pretty scientific comparison of all kinds of stuff, including one comparing oil filters.  WIX/NAPA came out on top easily (they're the same filter, just different branding), as they capture more particulates.  

Also seem to remember an article I read about oil.  Synthetic has perfectly round molecules that are all the same size, achieving maximum lubricant property because they act like little ball bearings against each other.  Also didn't break down as fast as Dinosaur oil, which is a bit more anarchic in structure.  

So, with the right filter and the right oil it's just fine to run much higher mileage on the same change.  

All that said, for many years I had run synthetic oil only to find the cam and tappets had traded materials.  Since that engine rebuild I've been using Valvoline VR1 Racing oil due to it's high zinc.  

I would, though, like to get back to a synthetic oil, but not sure which one has high zinc.

Anybody?

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire

>     On 07/05/2020 9:07 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     On 7/4/20 9:13 PM, dave wrote:
> 
>         > > He is absolutely right.   Been using wix for over a decade.   Good choice
> > 
> >     > 
>     Been using WIX and NAPA gold (made by WIX) for at least 4 decades in my Land Rover and 3 decades in my T3. Wouldn't use anything else.
> 
>     TeriAnn
> 
>         > > 
> >         -------- Original message --------
> >         From: John Cohen <jmcoh at comcast.net> mailto:jmcoh at comcast.net
> >         Date: 7/4/20 10:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
> >         To: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com> mailto:jeffn at msystech.com , triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> >         Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
> > 
> >         The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516. 
> > 
> >         John Cohen
> >         Rutland, VT
> >         1976 TR6
> > 
> > 
> > 
> >         Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S
> > 
> > 
> >         -------- Original message --------
> >         From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com> mailto:jeffn at msystech.com
> >         Date: 7/4/20 22:34 (GMT-05:00)
> >         To: triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> >         Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
> > 
> > 
> >         Hello,
> > 
> > 
> >         I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded manufacturer for an oil filter?
> > 
> > 
> >         Thanks,
> > 
> >         Jeff N.
> > 
> > 
> >     >     ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Sun Jul  5 08:58:31 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 09:58:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <771944429.23718.1593958079783@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <20200705041359.57F71A10BB@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <95163c0e-ee3c-83d2-3022-de596a15a9f1@tonydrews.com>

There's a Valvoline VR-1 Synthetic variety, that's what I run in my TR-4 
racer.? I end up ordering it from Amazon because it's not carried locally.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 7/5/2020 9:07 AM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
> Ditto on that.? There's a YouTube video of a guy who does a pretty 
> scientific comparison of all kinds of stuff, including one comparing 
> oil filters.? WIX/NAPA came out on top easily (they're the same 
> filter, just different branding), as they capture more particulates.
>
> Also seem to remember an article I read about oil.? Synthetic has 
> perfectly round molecules that are all the same size, achieving 
> maximum lubricant property because they act like little ball bearings 
> against each other.? Also didn't break down as fast as Dinosaur oil, 
> which is a bit more anarchic in structure.
>
> So, with the right filter and the right oil it's just fine to run much 
> higher mileage on the same change.
>
> All that said, for many years I had run synthetic oil only to find the 
> cam and tappets had traded materials.? Since that engine rebuild I've 
> been using Valvoline VR1 Racing oil due to it's high zinc.
>
> I would, though, like to get back to a synthetic oil, but not sure 
> which one has high zinc.
>
> Anybody?
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A? TS 58667
> New Hampshire
>> On 07/05/2020 9:07 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>
>> On 7/4/20 9:13 PM, dave wrote:
>>> He is absolutely right.? ?Been using wix for over a decade.? ?Good 
>>> choice 
>>
>> Been using WIX and NAPA gold (made by WIX) for at least 4 decades in 
>> my Land Rover and 3 decades in my T3. Wouldn't use anything else.
>>
>> TeriAnn
>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: John Cohen <jmcoh at comcast.net>
>>> Date: 7/4/20 10:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
>>> To: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
>>>
>>> The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516.
>>>
>>> John Cohen
>>> Rutland, VT
>>> 1976 TR6
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S
>>>
>>>
>>> -------- Original message --------
>>> From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>
>>> Date: 7/4/20 22:34 (GMT-05:00)
>>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
>>>
>>> Hello,
>>>
>>>
>>> I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number 
>>> of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a 
>>> Spin-on conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a 
>>> highly regarded manufacturer for an oil filter?
>>>
>>>
>>> Thanks,
>>>
>>> Jeff N.
>>>
>>>
>>
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sun Jul  5 09:27:29 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:27:29 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <95163c0e-ee3c-83d2-3022-de596a15a9f1@tonydrews.com>
References: <20200705041359.57F71A10BB@autox.team.net>
 <9557bdab-7e2d-70c2-3211-13b51b147186@gmail.com>
 <771944429.23718.1593958079783@connect.xfinity.com>
 <95163c0e-ee3c-83d2-3022-de596a15a9f1@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <133641629.25464.1593962849713@connect.xfinity.com>

Ah.  That explains why I've never seen it.  

Thanks.

>     On 07/05/2020 10:58 AM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     There's a Valvoline VR-1 Synthetic variety, that's what I run in my TR-4 racer.  I end up ordering it from Amazon because it's not carried locally.
> 
>     Regards, Tony Drews
> 
>     On 7/5/2020 9:07 AM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
> 
>         > >         Ditto on that.  There's a YouTube video of a guy who does a pretty scientific comparison of all kinds of stuff, including one comparing oil filters.  WIX/NAPA came out on top easily (they're the same filter, just different branding), as they capture more particulates.  
> > 
> >         Also seem to remember an article I read about oil.  Synthetic has perfectly round molecules that are all the same size, achieving maximum lubricant property because they act like little ball bearings against each other.  Also didn't break down as fast as Dinosaur oil, which is a bit more anarchic in structure.  
> > 
> >         So, with the right filter and the right oil it's just fine to run much higher mileage on the same change.  
> > 
> >         All that said, for many years I had run synthetic oil only to find the cam and tappets had traded materials.  Since that engine rebuild I've been using Valvoline VR1 Racing oil due to it's high zinc.  
> > 
> >         I would, though, like to get back to a synthetic oil, but not sure which one has high zinc.
> > 
> >         Anybody?
> > 
> >         Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
> >         New Hampshire
> > 
> >             > > >             On 07/05/2020 9:07 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com wrote:
> > > 
> > > 
> > >             On 7/4/20 9:13 PM, dave wrote:
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > He is absolutely right.   Been using wix for over a decade.   Good choice
> > > > 
> > > >             > > > 
> > >             Been using WIX and NAPA gold (made by WIX) for at least 4 decades in my Land Rover and 3 decades in my T3. Wouldn't use anything else.
> > > 
> > >             TeriAnn
> > > 
> > >                 > > > > 
> > > >                 -------- Original message --------
> > > >                 From: John Cohen <jmcoh at comcast.net> mailto:jmcoh at comcast.net
> > > >                 Date: 7/4/20 10:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
> > > >                 To: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com> mailto:jeffn at msystech.com , triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> > > >                 Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
> > > > 
> > > >                 The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516. 
> > > > 
> > > >                 John Cohen
> > > >                 Rutland, VT
> > > >                 1976 TR6
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 -------- Original message --------
> > > >                 From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com> mailto:jeffn at msystech.com
> > > >                 Date: 7/4/20 22:34 (GMT-05:00)
> > > >                 To: triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net
> > > >                 Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Hello,
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded manufacturer for an oil filter?
> > > > 
> > > > 
> > > >                 Thanks,
> > > > 
> > > >                 Jeff N.
> > > > 
> > > > 
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 10:08:50 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 12:08:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <20200705041404.CDA6BA10B3@autox.team.net>
References: <20200705031645.D8FA6A0FE0@autox.team.net>
 <20200705041404.CDA6BA10B3@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwjKJkVBsr1-97T=x8n3__uBw3E6xB2fAi402LmCp1rugA@mail.gmail.com>

If the Wix 51516 and NAPA Gold 1516 are good choices for
spin-on filters for the TR6, what would the WIX/NAPA
numbers be for a TR3 with spin-on?

Dave

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:14 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> He is absolutely right.   Been using wix for over a decade.   Good choice
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: John Cohen <jmcoh at comcast.net>
> Date: 7/4/20 10:13 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
>
> The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516.
>
> John Cohen
> Rutland, VT
> 1976 TR6
>
>
>
> Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com>
> Date: 7/4/20 22:34 (GMT-05:00)
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
>
> Hello,
>
>
>
> I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of
> WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on
> conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded
> manufacturer for an oil filter?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff N.
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jul  5 10:20:30 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:20:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwjKJkVBsr1-97T=x8n3__uBw3E6xB2fAi402LmCp1rugA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <20200705031645.D8FA6A0FE0@autox.team.net>
 <20200705041404.CDA6BA10B3@autox.team.net>
 <CAJ1eQwjKJkVBsr1-97T=x8n3__uBw3E6xB2fAi402LmCp1rugA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000e01d652e8$341303c0$9c390b40$@ranteer.com>

All the spin on adapters, mg, triumph, etc, use the same filter.  My  62TR4 uses it too, and its essentially a TR3.

 

From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 11:09 AM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on

 

If the Wix 51516 and NAPA Gold 1516 are good choices for 

spin-on filters for the TR6, what would the WIX/NAPA 

numbers be for a TR3 with spin-on?

Dave

 

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 12:14 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:

He is absolutely right.   Been using wix for over a decade.   Good choice

 

-------- Original message --------

From: John Cohen <jmcoh at comcast.net <mailto:jmcoh at comcast.net> > 

Date: 7/4/20 10:13 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com <mailto:jeffn at msystech.com> >, triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on 

 

The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516. 

 

John Cohen

Rutland, VT

1976 TR6

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S

 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jeff Nathanson <jeffn at msystech.com <mailto:jeffn at msystech.com> > 

Date: 7/4/20 22:34 (GMT-05:00) 

To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on 

 

Hello,

 

I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded manufacturer for an oil filter?

 

Thanks,

Jeff N.

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jul  5 10:22:38 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:22:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] totally off topic - go kart engine
Message-ID: <001301d652e8$80780d50$816827f0$@ranteer.com>

my nephew is trying to revive a go kart which sat for 10 years.

 

He has it running, but badly, and it pushes oil out the air filter.

 

I have not seen it; he asked me about it last night.  He is sure it is 4 cycle, not 2 cycle.  And that?s all the info I have.  Not even sure if its 1 or 2 cylinders.

 

Any thoughts?

 

 

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jul  5 10:26:01 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:26:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <133641629.25464.1593962849713@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <20200705041359.57F71A10BB@autox.team.net>
 <9557bdab-7e2d-70c2-3211-13b51b147186@gmail.com>
 <771944429.23718.1593958079783@connect.xfinity.com>
 <95163c0e-ee3c-83d2-3022-de596a15a9f1@tonydrews.com>
 <133641629.25464.1593962849713@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <001801d652e8$f9782820$ec687860$@ranteer.com>

Order it from advanced auto parts - https://shop.advanceautoparts.com/p/valvoline-vr1-racing-20w-50-full-synthetic-motor-oil-1-quart-679082/10069836-P?searchTerm=valvoline%2020w50

 

Free shipping with 4 or more quarts.

 

I just checked ? amazon is more expensive

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of TERRY SMITH
Sent: Sunday, July 5, 2020 10:27 AM
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on

 

Ah.  That explains why I've never seen it.   

 

Thanks. 

On 07/05/2020 10:58 AM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com <mailto:tony at tonydrews.com> > wrote: 

 

 

There's a Valvoline VR-1 Synthetic variety, that's what I run in my TR-4 racer.  I end up ordering it from Amazon because it's not carried locally.

Regards, Tony Drews

On 7/5/2020 9:07 AM, TERRY SMITH wrote: 

Ditto on that.  There's a YouTube video of a guy who does a pretty scientific comparison of all kinds of stuff, including one comparing oil filters.  WIX/NAPA came out on top easily (they're the same filter, just different branding), as they capture more particulates.   

 

Also seem to remember an article I read about oil.  Synthetic has perfectly round molecules that are all the same size, achieving maximum lubricant property because they act like little ball bearings against each other.  Also didn't break down as fast as Dinosaur oil, which is a bit more anarchic in structure.   

 

So, with the right filter and the right oil it's just fine to run much higher mileage on the same change.   

 

All that said, for many years I had run synthetic oil only to find the cam and tappets had traded materials.  Since that engine rebuild I've been using Valvoline VR1 Racing oil due to it's high zinc.   

 

I would, though, like to get back to a synthetic oil, but not sure which one has high zinc. 

 

Anybody? 

 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667 

New Hampshire 

On 07/05/2020 9:07 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman  <mailto:tjwakeman at gmail.com> <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote: 

 

 

On 7/4/20 9:13 PM, dave wrote: 

He is absolutely right.   Been using wix for over a decade.   Good choice 

Been using WIX and NAPA gold (made by WIX) for at least 4 decades in my Land Rover and 3 decades in my T3. Wouldn't use anything else.

TeriAnn

 

-------- Original message -------- 

From: John Cohen  <mailto:jmcoh at comcast.net> <jmcoh at comcast.net> 

Date: 7/4/20 10:13 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: Jeff Nathanson  <mailto:jeffn at msystech.com> <jeffn at msystech.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on 

 

The Wix is 51516 or the identical NAPA Gold is 1516.  

 

John Cohen 

Rutland, VT 

1976 TR6 

 

 

 

Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S 

 

 

-------- Original message -------- 

From: Jeff Nathanson  <mailto:jeffn at msystech.com> <jeffn at msystech.com> 

Date: 7/4/20 22:34 (GMT-05:00) 

To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on 

 

Hello,

 

I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly regarded manufacturer for an oil filter?

 

Thanks,

Jeff N.

 


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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sun Jul  5 12:09:16 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 14:09:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] totally off topic - go kart engine
In-Reply-To: <001301d652e8$80780d50$816827f0$@ranteer.com>
References: <001301d652e8$80780d50$816827f0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <4969d744-d9ec-9f00-4ed1-a67344787be2@adelphia.net>

Dave,

Something is plugged.

Some of the old 4 cycle engines had a rubber breather tube along side 
the crank case above the oil line pointing down. I think some of the 
newer engines breath through the carb.

Bob

On 7/5/20 12:22 PM, dave wrote:
>
> my nephew is trying to revive a go kart which sat for 10 years.
>
> He has it running, but badly, and it pushes oil out the air filter.
>
> I have not seen it; he asked me about it last night.? He is sure it is 
> 4 cycle, not 2 cycle.? And that?s all the info I have.? Not even sure 
> if its 1 or 2 cylinders.
>
> Any thoughts?
>
>
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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Sun Jul  5 12:50:39 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 11:50:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <000001d65274$daa1a940$8fe4fbc0$@msystech.com>
References: <000001d65274$daa1a940$8fe4fbc0$@msystech.com>
Message-ID: <b711fbab-10a9-fcb1-efed-4c3593f5863f@earthlink.net>

If in a bind for a cross reference for the spin on oil filter for the 
TR6, pretend you have a 1998 Ford Mustang V6.? Same part.

Brian K.

On 7/4/2020 7:34 PM, Jeff Nathanson wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
> I realize has been a question posed many times. But what part number 
> of WIX oil filter is best suited for a 1972 Triumph TR6 with a Spin-on 
> conversion? If WIX is not a top performer , then what is a highly 
> regarded manufacturer for an oil filter?
>
> Thanks,
>
> Jeff N.
>
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jul  5 13:11:18 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 14:11:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] wix oil filter with spin on
Message-ID: <000f01d65300$0ff97380$2fec5a80$@ranteer.com>

https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Wix/51516

 

374 filters that cross reference the wix

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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Jul  5 14:44:31 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 15:44:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] GT6 transmission
Message-ID: <12fc0753-2cd0-0d8a-db30-9ccfff4c9e32@rmi.net>

I will be working on adding adding an overdrive to my 1968 GT6 Mark 1 
transmission. In looking over some things, it appears that I have a 
transmission number that shouldn't exist. The number is WE 12870 as can 
be seen in the attached picture.? From the outside it looks like what I 
expect a GT6 transmission to look like.? The previous owner did tell me 
he had the transmission rebuilt not terribly ong before I bought it.

 From what I can tell GT6 transmissions should start with KC or KD.? A 
Vitesse box it would be HB or HC. (based on this 
site:http://www.wolfitt.com/numbers_and_ratios.htm).? I don't know what 
other car it could come from.

Were there separate numbers for rebuilt or replacement transmissions?

Thanks,
Roger Elliott


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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Jul  5 16:39:46 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 5 Jul 2020 17:39:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 - wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <b711fbab-10a9-fcb1-efed-4c3593f5863f@earthlink.net>
References: <000001d65274$daa1a940$8fe4fbc0$@msystech.com>
 <b711fbab-10a9-fcb1-efed-4c3593f5863f@earthlink.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3abTh52s_czGWOJ8CQ1fqHnv9gCD-F9tr8XNc9-K3gBMuA@mail.gmail.com>

"If in a bind for a cross reference for the spin on oil filter for the TR6,
pretend you have a 1998 Ford Mustang V6.  Same part.

Brian K."

>
> Thus avoiding the inevitable "Triumph, who makes those?" question at the
> local parts counter.
>

Greg Lemon, TR250

>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 09:16:10 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:16:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <000f01d65300$0ff97380$2fec5a80$@ranteer.com>
References: <000f01d65300$0ff97380$2fec5a80$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMuNo0j9oYdeXCAHjwHgUurhMWV6x80QWTGH-Q_eqWKYw@mail.gmail.com>

On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:11 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Wix/51516
>
> 374 filters that cross reference the wix

If you drill down a bit more, you find there are 6 Wix filters that
cross-reference to the 51516, including itself.  Go tot eh Wix Filters
web site and look up the numbers to see all the different dimensions
available.  The common feature is the thread size and the gasket (more
or less). The 51516, which is the Spitfire filter, is 4.8" tall by
2.9" in diameter.  The 51515 is the same base (more or less), but 5.2"
tall and 3.6" diameter.  The gaskets are 2.734" x 2.430" x 0.226" and
2.834" x 2.462" x 0.200" respectively.

tl:dr:  All crossover filters are not the same as the old one you have
in your hand, and may not fit in the space you have between block and
steering column.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

From fishplate at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 09:38:32 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:38:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CMuNo0j9oYdeXCAHjwHgUurhMWV6x80QWTGH-Q_eqWKYw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000f01d65300$0ff97380$2fec5a80$@ranteer.com>
 <CAO8Q7CMuNo0j9oYdeXCAHjwHgUurhMWV6x80QWTGH-Q_eqWKYw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CPTs-UzFuEzxUuZ_f28dXgPcqoEPECrEKXzyTarMCwuyg@mail.gmail.com>

OK, this should open a Google Sheet that compares the Wix
options...the variations are interesting.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xyt6QuBYMplAiHvmQI36js-zkU4Hbl7xp9FT4zq1t2o/edit?usp=sharing

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 11:16 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:11 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> >
> > https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Wix/51516
> >
> > 374 filters that cross reference the wix
>
> If you drill down a bit more, you find there are 6 Wix filters that
> cross-reference to the 51516, including itself.  Go tot eh Wix Filters
> web site and look up the numbers to see all the different dimensions
> available.  The common feature is the thread size and the gasket (more
> or less). The 51516, which is the Spitfire filter, is 4.8" tall by
> 2.9" in diameter.  The 51515 is the same base (more or less), but 5.2"
> tall and 3.6" diameter.  The gaskets are 2.734" x 2.430" x 0.226" and
> 2.834" x 2.462" x 0.200" respectively.
>
> tl:dr:  All crossover filters are not the same as the old one you have
> in your hand, and may not fit in the space you have between block and
> steering column.
>
> Jeff Scarbrough
> Corrosion Acres, Ga.

From forzion7 at gmail.com  Mon Jul  6 09:44:15 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:44:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CPTs-UzFuEzxUuZ_f28dXgPcqoEPECrEKXzyTarMCwuyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000f01d65300$0ff97380$2fec5a80$@ranteer.com>
 <CAO8Q7CMuNo0j9oYdeXCAHjwHgUurhMWV6x80QWTGH-Q_eqWKYw@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAO8Q7CPTs-UzFuEzxUuZ_f28dXgPcqoEPECrEKXzyTarMCwuyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwhTKPz77sxm9U7FDXoaf_BuTrfKj2iGLy1m9=OdEmo5bg@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jeff. Yes, the variations are interesting but there doesn't seem to
be any way to tell from this some sort of "good/better/best". Despite the
large dimensional variations, the filtration size and rates are constants...

Dave

On Mon, Jul 6, 2020, 11:39 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

> OK, this should open a Google Sheet that compares the Wix
> options...the variations are interesting.
>
>
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xyt6QuBYMplAiHvmQI36js-zkU4Hbl7xp9FT4zq1t2o/edit?usp=sharing
>
> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 11:16 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> wrote:
> >
> > On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:11 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> > >
> > > https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Wix/51516
> > >
> > > 374 filters that cross reference the wix
> >
> > If you drill down a bit more, you find there are 6 Wix filters that
> > cross-reference to the 51516, including itself.  Go tot eh Wix Filters
> > web site and look up the numbers to see all the different dimensions
> > available.  The common feature is the thread size and the gasket (more
> > or less). The 51516, which is the Spitfire filter, is 4.8" tall by
> > 2.9" in diameter.  The 51515 is the same base (more or less), but 5.2"
> > tall and 3.6" diameter.  The gaskets are 2.734" x 2.430" x 0.226" and
> > 2.834" x 2.462" x 0.200" respectively.
> >
> > tl:dr:  All crossover filters are not the same as the old one you have
> > in your hand, and may not fit in the space you have between block and
> > steering column.
> >
> > Jeff Scarbrough
> > Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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From jeffn at msystech.com  Mon Jul  6 09:53:14 2020
From: jeffn at msystech.com (Mail.msystech.com)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 11:53:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] wix oil filter with spin on
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CPTs-UzFuEzxUuZ_f28dXgPcqoEPECrEKXzyTarMCwuyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAO8Q7CPTs-UzFuEzxUuZ_f28dXgPcqoEPECrEKXzyTarMCwuyg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2CFBC7C3-4948-4D10-B9AF-1ED2B7F1A963@msystech.com>

Jeff,

Great! You did a marvelous job that will be of great use.

Thanks,
Jeff N.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 11:39 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?OK, this should open a Google Sheet that compares the Wix
> options...the variations are interesting.
> 
> https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1Xyt6QuBYMplAiHvmQI36js-zkU4Hbl7xp9FT4zq1t2o/edit?usp=sharing
> 
>> On Mon, Jul 6, 2020 at 11:16 AM Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>>> On Sun, Jul 5, 2020 at 3:11 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> https://www.oilfilter-crossreference.com/convert/Wix/51516
>>> 
>>> 374 filters that cross reference the wix
>> 
>> If you drill down a bit more, you find there are 6 Wix filters that
>> cross-reference to the 51516, including itself.  Go tot eh Wix Filters
>> web site and look up the numbers to see all the different dimensions
>> available.  The common feature is the thread size and the gasket (more
>> or less). The 51516, which is the Spitfire filter, is 4.8" tall by
>> 2.9" in diameter.  The 51515 is the same base (more or less), but 5.2"
>> tall and 3.6" diameter.  The gaskets are 2.734" x 2.430" x 0.226" and
>> 2.834" x 2.462" x 0.200" respectively.
>> 
>> tl:dr:  All crossover filters are not the same as the old one you have
>> in your hand, and may not fit in the space you have between block and
>> steering column.
>> 
>> Jeff Scarbrough
>> Corrosion Acres, Ga.
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Mon Jul  6 10:45:10 2020
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 16:45:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] GT6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <12fc0753-2cd0-0d8a-db30-9ccfff4c9e32@rmi.net>
References: <12fc0753-2cd0-0d8a-db30-9ccfff4c9e32@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <1158717031.3176107.1594053910929@mail.yahoo.com>

 The "WE" prefix indicates that the box -- or at least the case -- originated in a Dolomite 1850HL, which should have ratios similar, if not identical, to those of the GT6.
--AndyAndrew Mace
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
I will be working on adding adding an overdrive to my 1968 GT6 Mark 1 
transmission. In looking over some things, it appears that I have a 
transmission number that shouldn't exist. The number is WE 12870 as can 
be seen in the attached picture.? From the outside it looks like what I 
expect a GT6 transmission to look like.? The previous owner did tell me 
he had the transmission rebuilt not terribly ong before I bought it.

 From what I can tell GT6 transmissions should start with KC or KD.? A 
Vitesse box it would be HB or HC. (based on this 
site:http://www.wolfitt.com/numbers_and_ratios.htm).? I don't know what 
other car it could come from.

Were there separate numbers for rebuilt or replacement transmissions?

Thanks,
Roger Elliott
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Mon Jul  6 11:56:36 2020
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 12:56:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] GT6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <1158717031.3176107.1594053910929@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <12fc0753-2cd0-0d8a-db30-9ccfff4c9e32@rmi.net>
 <1158717031.3176107.1594053910929@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <be5d4a52-ffdd-0e97-907a-6ab34d53d3a0@rmi.net>

Thanks Andy!

That is interesting - you wouldn't think a Dolomite 1850 HL transmission 
would be the most likely of candidates to be transplanted into a GT6 in 
Kansas, since I don't think they were imported much if at all.

I wouldn't mind having a Dolomite Sprint.....

Thanks,
Roger

On 7/6/20 11:45 AM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
> The "WE" prefix indicates that the box -- or at least the case -- 
> originated in a Dolomite 1850HL, which should have ratios similar, if 
> not identical, to those of the GT6.
>
> --Andy
> Andrew Mace
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
>
> I will be working on adding adding an overdrive to my 1968 GT6 Mark 1
> transmission. In looking over some things, it appears that I have a
> transmission number that shouldn't exist. The number is WE 12870 as can
> be seen in the attached picture.? From the outside it looks like what I
> expect a GT6 transmission to look like.? The previous owner did tell me
> he had the transmission rebuilt not terribly ong before I bought it.
>
> From what I can tell GT6 transmissions should start with KC or KD.? A
> Vitesse box it would be HB or HC. (based on this
> site:http://www.wolfitt.com/numbers_and_ratios.htm). I don't know what
> other car it could come from.
>
> Were there separate numbers for rebuilt or replacement transmissions?
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Mon Jul  6 15:27:46 2020
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 21:27:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Wix filter
References: <2118878900.3361989.1594070866757.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2118878900.3361989.1594070866757@mail.yahoo.com>

I found from another list that the Wix 51438 fits the TR6 with the conversion. It is 3" wise and not much longer. I will try jacking up the engine a bit so that I can remove the old canister. I tried grease to hold in the seal which didn't work so I will put some Permatex on it. Hopefully, that will do the trick. Joe Mato
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jul  6 20:46:49 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 21:46:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 speedo
Message-ID: <000001d65408$dd154ac0$973fe040$@ranteer.com>

I have a friend who?s speedo works, but the odometer doesn?t.  he?d like to try to fix it himself.

 

I think, somewhere, I?ve downloaded that pdf, but I can?t find it.

 

Can someone please send me a link to the speedo repair?

 

Thanks!

 

 

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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Mon Jul  6 20:48:48 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Mon, 6 Jul 2020 19:48:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR6 speedo
In-Reply-To: <000001d65408$dd154ac0$973fe040$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d65408$dd154ac0$973fe040$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <E362DBF2-971E-4CB5-86BA-6B0779C2BCB0@mac.com>


Maybe this one?

http://www.tr3a.info/PDFs/speedo.pdf <http://www.tr3a.info/PDFs/speedo.pdf>

-Darrell

> On Jul 6, 2020, at 7:46 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> I have a friend who?s speedo works, but the odometer doesn?t.  he?d like to try to fix it himself.
>  
> I think, somewhere, I?ve downloaded that pdf, but I can?t find it.
>  
> Can someone please send me a link to the speedo repair?
>  
> Thanks!
>  
>  
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Darrell Walker
66 TR4A IRS-SC CTC67956L
81 TR8 SATPZ458XBA406206
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Mon Jul  6 21:33:30 2020
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 03:33:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] GT6 transmission
In-Reply-To: <be5d4a52-ffdd-0e97-907a-6ab34d53d3a0@rmi.net>
References: <12fc0753-2cd0-0d8a-db30-9ccfff4c9e32@rmi.net>
 <1158717031.3176107.1594053910929@mail.yahoo.com>
 <be5d4a52-ffdd-0e97-907a-6ab34d53d3a0@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <428179424.2914020.1594092810633@mail.yahoo.com>

 That Dolomite box was also essentially the same box used in the early four-speed TR7s; again, the ratios are pretty much identical. For warranty and/or rebuilt-exchange at some point "back then," it would not have been too surprising to have had BL supply a gearbox that might have originated in another car. And the same could have happened any time since. Maybe 20 years ago or so, it was often cheaper (even with shipping) to buy a rebuilt gearbox from England than to have one rebuilt here in the US. That's how a Triumph Toledo gearbox ended up in a friend's MkIV Spitfire; again, virtually identical boxes. (I know this because I helped my friend purchase and install that Toledo gearbox, to replace a tired, non-synchro-first box from an earlier Spitfire. (He was very happy with the improvement!)
--AndyAndrew Mace
 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>

 Thanks Andy!
  That is interesting - you wouldn't think a Dolomite 1850 HL transmission would be the most likely of candidates to be transplanted into a GT6 in Kansas, since I don't think they were imported much if at all.
  I wouldn't mind having a Dolomite Sprint.....? 
  
  On 7/6/20 11:45 AM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
  
 
  The "WE" prefix indicates that the box -- or at least the case -- originated in a Dolomite 1850HL, which should have ratios similar, if not identical, to those of the GT6. 
  --Andy
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From lee at automate-it.com  Tue Jul  7 13:26:38 2020
From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels)
Date: Tue, 7 Jul 2020 14:26:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 speedo
Message-ID: <cf7545ebcfe75490895e898774ca3184.squirrel@automate-it.com>

The pdf at tr3a.info is slightly outdated (1999 copyright date), there's an
updated one here (2002 copyright) -

  http://www.automate-it.com/lee/SpeedoRepair.pdf

The only difference I see is an additional 5 pages at the end, containing
appendices with calibration calculations, plus a section about adding magnets
to the magnet bar.

 - Lee

------------------------------ Original Message
----------------------------Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 speedo
From:	Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
Date:	Mon, 6 Jul 2020 19:48:48 -0700
To:	dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc:	triumphs at autox.team.net
----------------------------------------------------------------------------

Maybe this one?

http://www.tr3a.info/PDFs/speedo.pdf

-Darrell



From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Jul  8 10:52:47 2020
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 12:52:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] One more spin on oil filter
Message-ID: <CCD938AD-C66D-457F-A51A-8D8503CB3399@fuse.net>

I apologize for getting to the spin on oil filter discussion late but would be interesting in any comments on the Purolator L20195
Spin on filter. I have been using them for awhile now on my TR4A.
Dave Connitt 
Sent from my iPhone

From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jul  8 15:50:10 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:50:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] early TR4
Message-ID: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>

We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and
did the break in instructions.

 

They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.

 

I don't have shims; perhaps that will solve it?

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul  8 16:09:04 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:09:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] early TR4
In-Reply-To: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
References: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <04293620-245C-4B21-A886-49F242EB290D@comcast.net>

Did you also install new rotors? Or at least turn them? Shims could help. 
Dave H. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:50 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
>  
> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
>  
> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Wed Jul  8 16:14:49 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 18:14:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Re:  early TR4
In-Reply-To: <3eeb61b7-724c-e3cd-0603-c26586b9d402@adelphia.net>
References: <3eeb61b7-724c-e3cd-0603-c26586b9d402@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <ffbc6fd0-3755-475f-e88c-690408023515@adelphia.net>

Sent this to Dave directly and forgot to CC the list

Bob


Dave,

My 63 4 squeal from time to time. Most of the time is when they have not 
been applied for awhile. The more pressure I apply as I come to a stop, 
the less squeal. I have the shims installed. My 58 3 does not squeal. 
Different pads maybe? My 72 6 does not squeal at all. But I installed 
those drilled rotors. I am not sure if the drilled rotors are available 
for the early 4s.

I figure as long as they stop me and dont leak I am good to go.

Bob

On 7/8/20 5:50 PM, dave wrote:
>
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), 
> and did the break in instructions.
>
> They are squealing.? Greased them again; they still squeal.
>
> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
>
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Wed Jul  8 16:35:34 2020
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:35:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] early TR4
In-Reply-To: <04293620-245C-4B21-A886-49F242EB290D@comcast.net>
References: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <014101d65578$18f42be0$4adc83a0$@net>

Sometimes camphering the pads by grinding the leading edge down at an angle will help. Although I couldn?t get rid of the squeal until I replaced the pads with those green pads from TRF. 

 

Bob K.

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hogye
Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 3:09 PM
To: dave
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4

 

Did you also install new rotors? Or at least turn them? Shims could help. 

Dave H. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:50 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.

 

They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.

 

I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jul  8 18:22:46 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:22:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] early TR4
In-Reply-To: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
References: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <001801d65587$1273e760$375bb620$@ranteer.com>

Anyone have a set of shims they will sell?

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] early TR4

 

We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and
did the break in instructions.

 

They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.

 

I don't have shims; perhaps that will solve it?

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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul  8 18:23:13 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 00:23:13 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Re:  early TR4
In-Reply-To: <ffbc6fd0-3755-475f-e88c-690408023515@adelphia.net>
References: <3eeb61b7-724c-e3cd-0603-c26586b9d402@adelphia.net>
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Message-ID: <1951818599.2381353.1594254193513@mail.yahoo.com>

 do you have the anti squeal clips installed?

Frank


    On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 03:15:13 PM PDT, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:  
 
   
Sent this to Dave directly and forgot to CC the list
 
Bob
 
 
 
Dave,
 
My 63 4 squeal from time to time. Most of the time is when they have not been applied for awhile. The more pressure I apply as I come to a stop, the less squeal. I have the shims installed. My 58 3 does not squeal. Different pads maybe? My 72 6 does not squeal at all. But I installed those drilled rotors. I am not sure if the drilled rotors are available for the early 4s.
 
 
I figure as long as they stop me and dont leak I am good to go.
 
Bob
 
 On 7/8/20 5:50 PM, dave wrote:
  
  
We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
 
 ?
 
They are squealing.? Greased them again; they still squeal.
 
 ?
 
I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
  
 
 
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Jul  8 18:25:35 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:25:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] early TR4
In-Reply-To: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
References: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
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What were the break-in instructions?  I used to warm them up, then use
the brakes to decelerate from about 60 to 30 four or five times in a
row quickly.

Also, don't forget to clean/grease/replace the pins and other hardware.

On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:51 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
>
>
>
> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
>
>
>
> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jul  8 18:32:48 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:32:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims
Message-ID: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>

Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I
just knew the thickness

 

https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal

 

 

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Jul  8 18:56:07 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims:  now grease vs. anti-seize
In-Reply-To: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
References: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
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Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame, everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this, especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without having the body off the frame.

When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize.

Wonder about others' thoughts.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire

>     On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness
> 
> 
>     https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
> 
> 
> 
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul  8 19:04:10 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:04:10 -0400
Subject: [TR] early TR4
In-Reply-To: <001801d65587$1273e760$375bb620$@ranteer.com>
References: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <D47BF47082C243589FA7BBEC930E584A@VlackTK121647>

Moss has them for 8 bucks.
https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal?assoc=81995

From: dave 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 8:22 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4

Anyone have a set of shims they will sell?

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:50 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] early TR4

 

We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.

 

They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.

 

I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?



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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Wed Jul  8 20:13:11 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:13:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims
In-Reply-To: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
References: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
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I would have thought Moss would find a set that wasn't rusty for their 
website photo.



On 7/8/2020 5:32 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Anyone know how thick they are?? Looks like a piece of cake to make if 
> I just knew the thickness
>
> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jul  8 20:23:22 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 22:23:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims
In-Reply-To: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
References: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
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 From past experience, these shims are a joke. REAL squal shims as many 
are using/calling them, have a dense thin pad of material on them to 
deaden vibration.
exact same function as boommat/dynamat on your interior floors and panels.

as a test... only a test as the achieve won't hold up to the heat... 
just place two layers of duct tape just a tad larger than the piston on 
the piston side of the shim

ptegler

On 7/8/2020 8:32 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Anyone know how thick they are???? Looks like a piece of cake to make if 
> I just knew the thickness
>
> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>
>
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Jul  8 21:01:33 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 23:01:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims
In-Reply-To: <5ee61c3c-9275-9430-7c2c-25abc43149ac@earthlink.net>
References: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <F827C14126F6442C86030D2FDF09A201@VlackTK121647>

Yeah I noticed that too. I think my original shims are SS. Contrary to another post in my experience they did work. I left them off on a set of Green Stuff pads and they squealed. I immediately installed them and noise was gone. Also my experience with Green Stuff was those pads made a lot of dust. I?ve since changed to the Toyota conversion and Ted?s pads. NO DUST. Your experience may differ etc and so forth.
JVV 

From: Brian Kemp 
Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:13 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims

I would have thought Moss would find a set that wasn't rusty for their website photo.




On 7/8/2020 5:32 PM, dave wrote:

  Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness

   

  https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal

   

   


   
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Wed Jul  8 21:50:16 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:50:16 -0600
Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims
In-Reply-To: <76b501a9-1c2d-941e-69f2-160fb7450b4d@verizon.net>
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On 7/8/2020 8:23 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> From past experience, these shims are a joke. REAL squal shims as many 
> are using/calling them, have a dense thin pad of material on them to 
> deaden vibration.
> exact same function as boommat/dynamat on your interior floors and panels.
>
> as a test... only a test as the achieve won't hold up to the heat... 
> just place two layers of duct tape just a tad larger than the piston 
> on the piston side of the shim
>
Shims were always a problem, in that if the piston retracted fully, the 
shim would rattle between the caliper and the pad. I've always been 
partial to the blue goo that came with the old GM single-piston, 
floating pad carrier kits.? Allowed to set up properly, it was a 
physical connection between the piston and the pad and yet was still 
soft and flexible enough to dampen vibration.


Cheers.

-- 


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Roswell, NM


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jul  9 05:19:37 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:19:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims
In-Reply-To: <5ee61c3c-9275-9430-7c2c-25abc43149ac@earthlink.net>
References: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <793371343.2501514.1594293577163@mail.yahoo.com>

 No, no!? That rust is a feature.? It, um... it, um... well, it IS for a British car!
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 9:13 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims

 I would have thought Moss would find a set that wasn't rusty for their website photo.
 
 
 
 On 7/8/2020 5:32 PM, dave wrote:
  
 
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Thu Jul  9 05:48:30 2020
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 07:48:30 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Thu Jul  9 06:04:14 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:04:14 +0100
Subject: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
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I support Terry Smith and the use of anti seize. You can always wipe off the excess or traces likely to attract dirt. Same goes for grease nipples (zerks). Wipe them clean before greasing and wipe again afterwards, including the ooze that comes out of the assembly. There?s a periodic advert I get on FB of a firm selling grease guns. They click on a filthy nipple, apply the lube, then remove leaving surplus grease everywhere. If I?d done that as an apprentice at Jaguar in my very distant youth, I?d have been fired on the spot.

Jonmac

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> On 9 Jul 2020, at 12:48, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> My first thought was that at my age applying any lubricant to ease future disassembly is a waste of time and money unless I'm doing so in consideration of the next owner. 
> 
> Ed Woods
>> On 07/08/2020 8:56 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame, everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this, especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without having the body off the frame. 
>> 
>> When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize.
>> 
>> Wonder about others' thoughts.
>> 
>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>> New Hampshire
>>> On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jul  9 06:09:57 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:09:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
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Like an uncle of my wife who says at his age he wonders if he should be buying green bananas?????..

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of EDWARD WOODS
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:49 AM
To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)

 

My first thought was that at my age applying any lubricant to ease future disassembly is a waste of time and money unless I'm doing so in consideration of the next owner.  

 

Ed Woods 

On 07/08/2020 8:56 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net <mailto:terryrs at comcast.net> > wrote: 

 

 

Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame, everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this, especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without having the body off the frame. 

 

When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize. 

 

Wonder about others' thoughts. 

 

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A 

New Hampshire 

On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote: 

 

 

Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness

 

https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal

 

 

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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 06:35:15 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 07:35:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
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I'm finding more and more that I use a spritz of Fluid Film (a
lanolin-based anticorrosion spray) as a "sort-of" anti seize on surfaces
that might corrode.  I've used Fluid Film as a corrosion treatment on my
Tacomas for years.  There's some on my TR -- and probably ought to be
more.  Note to self.

After a discussion of Fluid Film with a colleague in San Diego who doesn't
know what midwestern corrosion can be, he had a good idea.  He sprays the
mounting surfaces on the wheels of his Porsche Cayman with Fluid Film
before mounting.  They come off easy-peasy that way.  It has the advantage
of while being somewhat greasy, it's *nowhere* near the mess of
copper-based anti seize.  It's a lot more removable if desired.

I'd think about trying it on brake shims.

Under my truck, it generally lasts about a year.  I'll often apply in
autumn before winter and sometimes again in the spring.  It would probably
last for about the same time to prevent brake shim corrosion.

I buy the multi-pack of Fluid Film in aerosol cans.  It's available in bulk
for ones own sprayer, but the rattlecans work for me.

Don
Saint Louis
1962 TR3B TSF202L

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 7:10 AM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> Like an uncle of my wife who says at his age he wonders if he should be
> buying green bananas?????..
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *EDWARD
> WOODS
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:49 AM
> *To:* TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
>
>
>
> My first thought was that at my age applying any lubricant to ease future
> disassembly is a waste of time and money unless I'm doing so in
> consideration of the next owner.
>
>
>
> Ed Woods
>
> On 07/08/2020 8:56 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something
> like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame,
> everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this,
> especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without
> having the body off the frame.
>
>
>
> When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't
> get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of
> grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over
> a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize.
>
>
>
> Wonder about others' thoughts.
>
>
>
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>
> New Hampshire
>
> On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>
>
>
>
> Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I
> just knew the thickness
>
>
>
> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>
>
>
>
>
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 10:02:11 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 12:02:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwgH=UuJ-nZp0uHSxuZiQa7o-ft1+N7zyYmnZrUeKb6JVQ@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings all!

I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if
anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very
often... Any suggestions for good value here?

https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all

Thanks, as always!

Dave Friedlander
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Jul  9 10:04:39 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:04:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
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That?s an interesting concept, I use a MityVac but this looks easier.  
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Greetings all!

I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if 
anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very 
often... Any suggestions for good value here?

https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all 

Thanks, as always! 

Dave Friedlander
'59 TR3
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jul  9 10:42:27 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:42:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
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Why not use speedbleeders?  Much much cheaper

 

http://www.speedbleeder.com/

 

I have them on numerous cars and they are the way to go!

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Friedlander
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:02 AM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders

 

Greetings all!

 

I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if 

anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite

a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very 

often... Any suggestions for good value here?

 

https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all 

 

Thanks, as always! 

Dave Friedlander

'59 TR3

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From billyb62 at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 11:03:37 2020
From: billyb62 at gmail.com (Bill Hall)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:03:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
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Since I do most of my maintenance alone, I'm a big speedbleeder fan too!

Bill

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:42 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Why not use speedbleeders?  Much much cheaper
>
>
>
> http://www.speedbleeder.com/
>
>
>
> I have them on numerous cars and they are the way to go!
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *David
> Friedlander
> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:02 AM
> *To:* TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <
> net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> *Subject:* [TR] Power Bleeders
>
>
>
> Greetings all!
>
>
>
> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if
>
> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
>
> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very
>
> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
>
>
>
> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all
>
>
>
> Thanks, as always!
>
> Dave Friedlander
>
> '59 TR3
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Thu Jul  9 11:06:56 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:06:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
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I like this??.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdf--suwqw0 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdf--suwqw0>



> On Jul 9, 2020, at 12:04 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> That?s an interesting concept, I use a MityVac but this looks easier.  
> Bill
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Greetings all!
> 
> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if 
> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very 
> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
> 
> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all <https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all> 
> 
> Thanks, as always! 
> 
> Dave Friedlander
> '59 TR3
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From actionsl at att.net  Thu Jul  9 12:55:02 2020
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:55:02 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 181
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When your parter is pumping the petal, make sure it?s the brake and not the clutch.

Carl

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>   1. early TR4 (dave)
>   2. Re: early TR4 (Dave Hogye)
>   3. Fwd: Re:  early TR4 (Bob)
>   4. Re: early TR4 (Kinderlehrer)
>   5. Re: early TR4 (dave)
>   6. Re: Fwd: Re:  early TR4 (Frank Fisher)
>   7. Re: early TR4 (Jeff Scarbrough)
>   8. anti squeal shims (dave)
>   9. Re: anti squeal shims:  now grease vs. anti-seize (TERRY SMITH)
>  10. Re: early TR4 (Jerry Van Vlack)
>  11. Re: anti squeal shims (Brian Kemp)
>  12. Re: anti squeal shims (Paul Tegler)
>  13. Re: anti squeal shims (Jerry Van Vlack)
>  14. Re: anti squeal shims (Michael Porter)
>  15. Re: anti squeal shims (DAVID MASSEY)
>  16. Grease or anti seize (was squeal) (EDWARD WOODS)
>  17. Re: Grease or anti seize (was squeal) (John Macartney)
>  18. Re: Grease or anti seize (was squeal) (andrew uprichard)
>  19. Re: Grease or anti seize (was squeal) (Don Hiscock)
>  20. Power Bleeders (David Friedlander)
>  21. Re: Power Bleeders (bill beecher)
>  22. Re: Power Bleeders (dave)
>  23. Re: Power Bleeders (Bill Hall)
>  24. Re: Power Bleeders (Tom Householder)
> 
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------------
> 
> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 16:50:10 -0500
> From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] early TR4
> Message-ID: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
> 
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and
> did the break in instructions.
> 
> 
> 
> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
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> Message: 2
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:09:04 -0700
> From: Dave Hogye <dlhogye at comcast.net>
> To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
> Message-ID: <04293620-245C-4B21-A886-49F242EB290D at comcast.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Did you also install new rotors? Or at least turn them? Shims could help. 
> Dave H. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:50 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
>> 
>> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
>> 
>> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 18:14:49 -0400
> From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Fwd: Re:  early TR4
> Message-ID: <ffbc6fd0-3755-475f-e88c-690408023515 at adelphia.net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"; Format="flowed"
> 
> Sent this to Dave directly and forgot to CC the list
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> My 63 4 squeal from time to time. Most of the time is when they have not 
> been applied for awhile. The more pressure I apply as I come to a stop, 
> the less squeal. I have the shims installed. My 58 3 does not squeal. 
> Different pads maybe? My 72 6 does not squeal at all. But I installed 
> those drilled rotors. I am not sure if the drilled rotors are available 
> for the early 4s.
> 
> I figure as long as they stop me and dont leak I am good to go.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On 7/8/20 5:50 PM, dave wrote:
>> 
>> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), 
>> and did the break in instructions.
>> 
>> They are squealing.? Greased them again; they still squeal.
>> 
>> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 4
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 15:35:34 -0700
> From: "Kinderlehrer" <kinderlehrer at comcast.net>
> To: "'Dave Hogye'" <dlhogye at comcast.net>,    "'dave'" <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
> Message-ID: <014101d65578$18f42be0$4adc83a0$@net>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> Sometimes camphering the pads by grinding the leading edge down at an angle will help. Although I couldn?t get rid of the squeal until I replaced the pads with those green pads from TRF. 
> 
> 
> 
> Bob K.
> 
> 
> 
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hogye
> Sent: Wednesday, July 08, 2020 3:09 PM
> To: dave
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
> 
> 
> 
> Did you also install new rotors? Or at least turn them? Shims could help. 
> 
> Dave H. 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jul 8, 2020, at 2:50 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
> 
> 
> 
> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
> 
> 
> 
> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:22:46 -0500
> From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
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> Anyone have a set of shims they will sell?
> 
> 
> 
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:50 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] early TR4
> 
> 
> 
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and
> did the break in instructions.
> 
> 
> 
> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
> 
> 
> 
> I don't have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
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> Message: 6
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 00:23:13 +0000 (UTC)
> From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Fwd: Re:  early TR4
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> 
> do you have the anti squeal clips installed?
> 
> Frank
> 
> 
>    On Wednesday, July 8, 2020, 03:15:13 PM PDT, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:  
> 
> 
> Sent this to Dave directly and forgot to CC the list
> 
> Bob
> 
> 
> 
> Dave,
> 
> My 63 4 squeal from time to time. Most of the time is when they have not been applied for awhile. The more pressure I apply as I come to a stop, the less squeal. I have the shims installed. My 58 3 does not squeal. Different pads maybe? My 72 6 does not squeal at all. But I installed those drilled rotors. I am not sure if the drilled rotors are available for the early 4s.
> 
> 
> I figure as long as they stop me and dont leak I am good to go.
> 
> Bob
> 
> On 7/8/20 5:50 PM, dave wrote:
> 
> 
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
> 
> ?
> 
> They are squealing.? Greased them again; they still squeal.
> 
> ?
> 
> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 7
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:25:35 -0400
> From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
> To: "Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
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> What were the break-in instructions?  I used to warm them up, then use
> the brakes to decelerate from about 60 to 30 four or five times in a
> row quickly.
> 
> Also, don't forget to clean/grease/replace the pins and other hardware.
> 
>> On Wed, Jul 8, 2020 at 5:51 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:32:48 -0500
> From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] anti squeal shims
> Message-ID: <001501d65588$7950cce0$6bf266a0$@ranteer.com>
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> 
> Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I
> just knew the thickness
> 
> 
> 
> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 20:56:07 -0400 (EDT)
> From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims:  now grease vs. anti-seize
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> 
> Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame, everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this, especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without having the body off the frame.
> 
> When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize.
> 
> Wonder about others' thoughts.
> 
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
> New Hampshire
> 
>>    On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>>    Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness
>> 
>> 
>>    https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>> 
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:04:10 -0400
> From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
> To: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>,    <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
> Message-ID: <D47BF47082C243589FA7BBEC930E584A at VlackTK121647>
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> Moss has them for 8 bucks.
> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal?assoc=81995
> 
> From: dave 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 8:22 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [TR] early TR4
> 
> Anyone have a set of shims they will sell?
> 
> 
> 
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of dave
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 4:50 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] early TR4
> 
> 
> 
> We put new brake pads in our 62 TR4, greased them up (just one side!), and did the break in instructions.
> 
> 
> 
> They are squealing.  Greased them again; they still squeal.
> 
> 
> 
> I don?t have shims; perhaps that will solve it?
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 11
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 19:13:11 -0700
> From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims
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> I would have thought Moss would find a set that wasn't rusty for their 
> website photo.
> 
> 
> 
>> On 7/8/2020 5:32 PM, dave wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone know how thick they are?? Looks like a piece of cake to make if 
>> I just knew the thickness
>> 
>> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>> 
>> 
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> Message: 12
> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 22:23:22 -0400
> From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims
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> From past experience, these shims are a joke. REAL squal shims as many 
> are using/calling them, have a dense thin pad of material on them to 
> deaden vibration.
> exact same function as boommat/dynamat on your interior floors and panels.
> 
> as a test... only a test as the achieve won't hold up to the heat... 
> just place two layers of duct tape just a tad larger than the piston on 
> the piston side of the shim
> 
> ptegler
> 
>> On 7/8/2020 8:32 PM, dave wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone know how thick they are???? Looks like a piece of cake to make if 
>> I just knew the thickness
>> 
>> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>> 
>> 
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 23:01:33 -0400
> From: "Jerry Van Vlack" <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>,    "Brian Kemp" <bk13 at earthlink.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims
> Message-ID: <F827C14126F6442C86030D2FDF09A201 at VlackTK121647>
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> Yeah I noticed that too. I think my original shims are SS. Contrary to another post in my experience they did work. I left them off on a set of Green Stuff pads and they squealed. I immediately installed them and noise was gone. Also my experience with Green Stuff was those pads made a lot of dust. I?ve since changed to the Toyota conversion and Ted?s pads. NO DUST. Your experience may differ etc and so forth.
> JVV 
> 
> From: Brian Kemp 
> Sent: Wednesday, July 8, 2020 10:13 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims
> 
> I would have thought Moss would find a set that wasn't rusty for their website photo.
> 
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/8/2020 5:32 PM, dave wrote:
> 
>  Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness
> 
> 
> 
>  https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: Wed, 8 Jul 2020 21:50:16 -0600
> From: Michael Porter <mdporter at dfn.com>
> To: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims
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>> On 7/8/2020 8:23 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>> 
>> From past experience, these shims are a joke. REAL squal shims as many 
>> are using/calling them, have a dense thin pad of material on them to 
>> deaden vibration.
>> exact same function as boommat/dynamat on your interior floors and panels.
>> 
>> as a test... only a test as the achieve won't hold up to the heat... 
>> just place two layers of duct tape just a tad larger than the piston 
>> on the piston side of the shim
>> 
> Shims were always a problem, in that if the piston retracted fully, the 
> shim would rattle between the caliper and the pad. I've always been 
> partial to the blue goo that came with the old GM single-piston, 
> floating pad carrier kits.? Allowed to set up properly, it was a 
> physical connection between the piston and the pad and yet was still 
> soft and flexible enough to dampen vibration.
> 
> 
> Cheers.
> 
> -- 
> 
> 
> Michael Porter
> Roswell, NM
> 
> 
> Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance....
> 
> 
> 
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> Message: 15
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:19:37 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: "bk13 at earthlink.net" <bk13 at earthlink.net>,
>    "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims
> Message-ID: <793371343.2501514.1594293577163 at mail.yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> No, no!? That rust is a feature.? It, um... it, um... well, it IS for a British car!
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Brian Kemp <bk13 at earthlink.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Wed, Jul 8, 2020 9:13 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] anti squeal shims
> 
> I would have thought Moss would find a set that wasn't rusty for their website photo.
> 
> 
> 
> On 7/8/2020 5:32 PM, dave wrote:
> 
> 
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> From: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
> To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:04:14 +0100
> From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
> To: EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
> Cc: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
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> I support Terry Smith and the use of anti seize. You can always wipe off the excess or traces likely to attract dirt. Same goes for grease nipples (zerks). Wipe them clean before greasing and wipe again afterwards, including the ooze that comes out of the assembly. There?s a periodic advert I get on FB of a firm selling grease guns. They click on a filthy nipple, apply the lube, then remove leaving surplus grease everywhere. If I?d done that as an apprentice at Jaguar in my very distant youth, I?d have been fired on the spot.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
> Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?
> 
> 
>> On 9 Jul 2020, at 12:48, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> My first thought was that at my age applying any lubricant to ease future disassembly is a waste of time and money unless I'm doing so in consideration of the next owner. 
>> 
>> Ed Woods
>>>> On 07/08/2020 8:56 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame, everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this, especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without having the body off the frame. 
>>> 
>>> When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize.
>>> 
>>> Wonder about others' thoughts.
>>> 
>>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>>> New Hampshire
>>>> On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
>>>> 
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> Message: 18
> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 08:09:57 -0400
> From: "andrew uprichard" <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> To: "'EDWARD WOODS'" <fogbro1 at comcast.net>, "'TERRY SMITH'"
>    <terryrs at comcast.net>, <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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> Like an uncle of my wife who says at his age he wonders if he should be buying green bananas?????..
> 
> 
> 
> Andrew Uprichard
> 
> Jackson, Michigan
> 
> 
> 
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of EDWARD WOODS
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:49 AM
> To: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
> 
> 
> 
> My first thought was that at my age applying any lubricant to ease future disassembly is a waste of time and money unless I'm doing so in consideration of the next owner.  
> 
> 
> 
> Ed Woods 
> 
> On 07/08/2020 8:56 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net <mailto:terryrs at comcast.net> > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame, everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this, especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without having the body off the frame. 
> 
> 
> 
> When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize. 
> 
> 
> 
> Wonder about others' thoughts. 
> 
> 
> 
> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A 
> 
> New Hampshire 
> 
> On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote: 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I just knew the thickness
> 
> 
> 
> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
> 
> 
> 
> 
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 07:35:15 -0500
> From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net, EDWARD WOODS <fogbro1 at comcast.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
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> I'm finding more and more that I use a spritz of Fluid Film (a
> lanolin-based anticorrosion spray) as a "sort-of" anti seize on surfaces
> that might corrode.  I've used Fluid Film as a corrosion treatment on my
> Tacomas for years.  There's some on my TR -- and probably ought to be
> more.  Note to self.
> 
> After a discussion of Fluid Film with a colleague in San Diego who doesn't
> know what midwestern corrosion can be, he had a good idea.  He sprays the
> mounting surfaces on the wheels of his Porsche Cayman with Fluid Film
> before mounting.  They come off easy-peasy that way.  It has the advantage
> of while being somewhat greasy, it's *nowhere* near the mess of
> copper-based anti seize.  It's a lot more removable if desired.
> 
> I'd think about trying it on brake shims.
> 
> Under my truck, it generally lasts about a year.  I'll often apply in
> autumn before winter and sometimes again in the spring.  It would probably
> last for about the same time to prevent brake shim corrosion.
> 
> I buy the multi-pack of Fluid Film in aerosol cans.  It's available in bulk
> for ones own sprayer, but the rattlecans work for me.
> 
> Don
> Saint Louis
> 1962 TR3B TSF202L
> 
> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 7:10 AM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> wrote:
> 
>> Like an uncle of my wife who says at his age he wonders if he should be
>> buying green bananas?????..
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Andrew Uprichard
>> 
>> Jackson, Michigan
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *EDWARD
>> WOODS
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 7:49 AM
>> *To:* TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* [TR] Grease or anti seize (was squeal)
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> My first thought was that at my age applying any lubricant to ease future
>> disassembly is a waste of time and money unless I'm doing so in
>> consideration of the next owner.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Ed Woods
>> 
>> On 07/08/2020 8:56 PM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Actually, this raises an interesting question.  When restoring something
>> like the long forward bolt that clamps the leaf spring to the frame,
>> everyone who's done such faces the herculean task of dislodging this,
>> especially when (OMG, can't fathom the thought) attempting it without
>> having the body off the frame.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> When re-assembling such,  including the similar caliper bolts that don't
>> get removed for extended periods, I've preferred Anti-Seize to any kind of
>> grease.  I've found the latter to be a magnet for dirt and debris that over
>> a long (okay, long-long-long) time, dry up faster than anti-seize.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Wonder about others' thoughts.
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
>> 
>> New Hampshire
>> 
>> On 07/08/2020 8:32 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Anyone know how thick they are?  Looks like a piece of cake to make if I
>> just knew the thickness
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://mossmotors.com/shim-set-anti-squeal
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>,  New England Triumphs
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> Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
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> Greetings all!
> 
> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if
> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very
> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
> 
> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all
> 
> Thanks, as always!
> 
> Dave Friedlander
> '59 TR3
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:04:39 -0500
> From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs
>    <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Power Bleeders
> Message-ID: <CB364BF5-F7BF-4584-BD53-8C3F7CD7912A at yahoo.com>
> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
> 
> That?s an interesting concept, I use a MityVac but this looks easier.  
> Bill
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Greetings all!
> 
> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if 
> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very 
> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
> 
> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all 
> 
> Thanks, as always! 
> 
> Dave Friedlander
> '59 TR3
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 11:42:27 -0500
> From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
> To: "'TR3 Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Power Bleeders
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> Why not use speedbleeders?  Much much cheaper
> 
> 
> 
> http://www.speedbleeder.com/
> 
> 
> 
> I have them on numerous cars and they are the way to go!
> 
> 
> 
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of David Friedlander
> Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:02 AM
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
> Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
> 
> 
> 
> Greetings all!
> 
> 
> 
> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if 
> 
> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
> 
> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very 
> 
> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
> 
> 
> 
> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all 
> 
> 
> 
> Thanks, as always! 
> 
> Dave Friedlander
> 
> '59 TR3
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:03:37 -0400
> From: Bill Hall <billyb62 at gmail.com>
> To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Power Bleeders
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> Since I do most of my maintenance alone, I'm a big speedbleeder fan too!
> 
> Bill
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 12:42 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Why not use speedbleeders?  Much much cheaper
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> http://www.speedbleeder.com/
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I have them on numerous cars and they are the way to go!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *David
>> Friedlander
>> *Sent:* Thursday, July 9, 2020 11:02 AM
>> *To:* TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <
>> net at newenglandtriumphs.org>
>> *Subject:* [TR] Power Bleeders
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Greetings all!
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if
>> 
>> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
>> 
>> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very
>> 
>> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Thanks, as always!
>> 
>> Dave Friedlander
>> 
>> '59 TR3
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> Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 13:06:56 -0400
> From: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> To: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
> Cc: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>, TR3 Triumphs
>    <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs
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> Subject: Re: [TR] Power Bleeders
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> I like this??.
> 
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdf--suwqw0 <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wdf--suwqw0>
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 12:04 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>> 
>> That?s an interesting concept, I use a MityVac but this looks easier.  
>> Bill
>> 
>> #dontkillgrandma
>> 
>> On Jul 9, 2020, at 11:02 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> Greetings all!
>> 
>> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if 
>> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
>> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very 
>> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
>> 
>> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all <https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all> 
>> 
>> Thanks, as always! 
>> 
>> Dave Friedlander
>> '59 TR3
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 18:01:39 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 19:01:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
In-Reply-To: <006001d6560f$eeccb6a0$cc6623e0$@ranteer.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwgH=UuJ-nZp0uHSxuZiQa7o-ft1+N7zyYmnZrUeKb6JVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I like the speedbleeders, but I couldn't get them to work from a new system
with a lot of air in it, would not generate enough pressure to open the
valve.

Greg Lemon
TR250
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 18:18:59 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 17:18:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwgH=UuJ-nZp0uHSxuZiQa7o-ft1+N7zyYmnZrUeKb6JVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I've been using a bicycle inner tube as a simple (air) pressure bleeder:

[image: Inner Tube 1.JPG]

Haven't used it on the TR yet but have used it on a couple of other cars.
Pressure is air on the reservoir - about 10-15 psi is plenty.

Tube used:

[image: Inner Tube 2.JPG]

Geo

On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:02 AM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:

> Greetings all!
>
> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if
> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very
> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
>
> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all
>
> Thanks, as always!
>
> Dave Friedlander
> '59 TR3
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From jeremiah at curryclan.net  Thu Jul  9 18:21:16 2020
From: jeremiah at curryclan.net (jeremiah at curryclan.net)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:21:16 -0600
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
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I have a Harbor Freight power bleeder.  Bought it trying to bleed a notoriously hard to bleed Toyota MR2 turbo clutch.  I also tried the method where you pressurize a bottle to push the fluid though (similar to the oil can method in the youtube video)  The power bleeder worked as well as any other method.

 

Jeremiah

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Thursday, July 9, 2020 6:02 PM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Power Bleeders

 

I like the speedbleeders, but I couldn't get them to work from a new system with a lot of air in it, would not generate enough pressure to open the valve.  

 

Greg Lemon

TR250

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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Thu Jul  9 18:45:15 2020
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 20:45:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] early TR4
In-Reply-To: <D47BF47082C243589FA7BBEC930E584A@VlackTK121647>
References: <001301d65571$c0fab6d0$42f02470$@ranteer.com>
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+1 for bedding in the new pads.  I scuff sand discs and pads with 400
during assembly.  3 or 4 hard stops seems to even things out.

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jul  9 19:54:41 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 9 Jul 2020 18:54:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] Power Bleeders
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bGf_ZRkUMxHdrfU-CUkwTYENnzWGd43xF2G2zT9eFt=tw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwgH=UuJ-nZp0uHSxuZiQa7o-ft1+N7zyYmnZrUeKb6JVQ@mail.gmail.com>
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That's excellent!  Let's see the rest of the Jag.
Dave H. 

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 9, 2020, at 5:18 PM, Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I've been using a bicycle inner tube as a simple (air) pressure bleeder:
> 
> <Inner Tube 1.JPG>
> 
> Haven't used it on the TR yet but have used it on a couple of other cars.  Pressure is air on the reservoir - about 10-15 psi is plenty.
> 
> Tube used:
> 
> <Inner Tube 2.JPG>
> 
> Geo
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 9, 2020 at 9:02 AM David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Greetings all!
>> 
>> I'm looking at the Motive Power Products website and was wondering if 
>> anyone has experience with one of their power bleeders. They make quite
>> a range but I don't want to spend big $$ on something I won't use very 
>> often... Any suggestions for good value here?
>> 
>> https://www.motiveproducts.com/collections/all 
>> 
>> Thanks, as always! 
>> 
>> Dave Friedlander
>> '59 TR3
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri Jul 10 08:13:01 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 10:13:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Help ID this shop
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> Metal worker  maybe a radiator shop doing repair on chromed brass grille? Jack?s Lomdom
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Fri Jul 10 11:24:34 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 18:24:34 +0100
Subject: [TR] Help ID this shop
In-Reply-To: <68A03DC3-4236-4645-8813-7B7B40FC604C@columbus.rr.com>
References: <CAAvkELERjOyJmLko6hEgtL_P6pWhuMbSVs50uWftsxqOhmh6+Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Try jackarnolduk.com 

Looks like the sort of setup that could have done that work.

Jonmac

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Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 10 Jul 2020, at 15:13, Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com> wrote:
> 
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>>> Metal worker  maybe a radiator shop doing repair on chromed brass grille? Jack?s Lomdom
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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 10 14:55:56 2020
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:55:56 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4.  Brake squeak/howl
Message-ID: <C04E75A1-ABCB-4C26-9027-5E523037AB5E@contoso.com>

Hello listers,

If this were my car I would take a grinder/file all the way around each pad and get some angle to the edge. Noise still present? I would do to the top edge of the rotor and cut it back a bit, both sides, ALL the way around. I would drive the car if the noise is still present remove the rotor and consider spraying a really thin coat of paint on it towards it?s center. Carefully drive the car. The brake pad should remove the paint in a clear manner. Any strange marks? If so polish/sand as needed.

I think it is likely the issue will be found ON the rotor.

Please be careful !!!


Cheers
John
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From staffel at comcast.net  Sat Jul 11 16:46:20 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Sat, 11 Jul 2020 18:46:20 -0400
Subject: [TR] Brake Squeal
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1594490402.9313.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <mailman.13.1594507622.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>

The weakest part of the Early TR? & Jaguar thin , non vented solid Rotor Brake parts was the edges rusted and destroyed the pads. Since about 1970 I have,? Every Year, like my airplane Annual Inspections,? always derusted and painted my aircraft,? TR & Jaguar? (especially rear subframe rotor)? disc edges (and hubs) with hi temp silver paint.?Sherman D Taffel?Columbia MD & Goldvein VA?65 TR4, 4 Jags, 5 Jensens, 16 Dependable Americans '36-'15
-------- Original message --------From: triumphs-request at autox.team.net Date: 7/11/20  2:00 PM  (GMT-05:00) To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 183 Send Triumphs mailing list submissions to	triumphs at autox.team.netTo subscribe or unsubscribe via the World Wide Web, visit	http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphsor, via email, send a message with subject or body 'help' to	triumphs-request at autox.team.netYou can reach the person managing the list at	triumphs-owner at autox.team.netWhen replying, please edit your Subject line so it is more specificthan "Re: Contents of Triumphs digest..."Today's Topics:?? 1. TR4.? Brake squeak/howl (j t)----------------------------------------------------------------------Message: 1Date: Fri, 10 Jul 2020 20:55:56 +0000From: j t <jat1127 at hotmail.com>To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>Subject: [TR] TR4.? Brake squeak/howlMessage-ID: <C04E75A1-ABCB-4C26-9027-5E523037AB5E at contoso.com>Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"Hello listers,If this were my car I would take a grinder/file all the way around each pad and get some angle to the edge. Noise still present? I would do to the top edge of the rotor and cut it back a bit, both sides, ALL the way around. I would drive the car if the noise is still present remove the rotor and consider spraying a really thin coat of paint on it towards it?s center. Carefully drive the car. The brake pad should remove the paint in a clear manner. Any strange marks? If so polish/sand as needed.I think it is likely the issue will be found ON the rotor.
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From PeterAra at msn.com  Sun Jul 12 13:02:16 2020
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 19:02:16 +0000
Subject: [TR] Brake Squeal
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB35647DC21D9DF7BBE9114622C1630@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

Brake squeal is caused by the pads vibrating.  The suggestions about tapering the pads have proved useful.  I would suggest something like Permatex Disc Brake Quiet.  Applied to the back of the pads.  Designed for this, will stay.

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From dbh97530 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 12 13:44:31 2020
From: dbh97530 at gmail.com (david hammond)
Date: Sun, 12 Jul 2020 12:44:31 -0700
Subject: [TR] Stag
Message-ID: <F05A0EDB-07AD-4191-8079-305779EDF2B0@gmail.com>

I have a set of down pipes for a manual transmission non od stag.Free for cost of shipping
Contact off list
David Hammond 
Oregon

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> On Jul 12, 2020, at 12:02 PM, Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com> wrote:
> 
> Brake squeal is caused by the pads vibrating.  The suggestions about tapering the pads have proved useful.  I would suggest something like Permatex Disc Brake Quiet.  Applied to the back of the pads.  Designed for this, will stay. 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 11:43:53 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:43:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
Message-ID: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>

Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
carbs.  Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala, FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8


From darrellw360 at mac.com  Fri Jul 17 11:54:34 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 10:54:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
References: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <D99A7EA9-6DE8-4397-9D23-516D0E3F706B@mac.com>


Not in a TR6, but I have a wide-band in my TR4A (which also has a supercharger).

I installed it just past the Y-connector (I have headers).

I have found it helpful, and informative, though you may now become obsessed with your AFR, and there is only some much you can optimize with carbs.

I also have them in my TR8 with a MegaSquirt.  Much more interesting there where you have much more control, and can log everything.

-Darrell

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
> installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
> setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
> bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
> carbs.  Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
> 
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From tony at tonydrews.com  Fri Jul 17 12:24:42 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 13:24:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <D99A7EA9-6DE8-4397-9D23-516D0E3F706B@mac.com>
References: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
 <D99A7EA9-6DE8-4397-9D23-516D0E3F706B@mac.com>
Message-ID: <a63bf509-eb28-17b3-461d-4c9ae384f420@tonydrews.com>

Just FYI - most power is when you're running slightly rich.? This is 
from using an AFR sensor on an engine dyno.

- Tony Drews

On 7/17/2020 12:54 PM, Darrell Walker wrote:
> Not in a TR6, but I have a wide-band in my TR4A (which also has a supercharger).
>
> I installed it just past the Y-connector (I have headers).
>
> I have found it helpful, and informative, though you may now become obsessed with your AFR, and there is only some much you can optimize with carbs.
>
> I also have them in my TR8 with a MegaSquirt.  Much more interesting there where you have much more control, and can log everything.
>
> -Darrell
>
>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
>> installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
>> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
>> setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
>> bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
>> carbs.  Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4
>> 75 TR6
>> 81 TR8
>>
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Jul 17 12:44:55 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 14:44:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
References: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000201d65c6a$5ece1060$1c6a3120$@uprichard.net>

I have added O2 sensors to a TR250 with triple webers and my smallmouth TR3.
In both cases I took the cars to a rolling road and the sensors were
invaluable in helping tune the cars.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:44 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6

Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
carbs.  Thanks Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8

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From dan at tortorici.org  Fri Jul 17 13:10:39 2020
From: dan at tortorici.org (Dan Tortorici)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 12:10:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 186
In-Reply-To: <mailman.8.1595008803.29953.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.8.1595008803.29953.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <9E6832E6-4C49-4203-A2BA-8C78397AD71F@tortorici.org>

I am in the process of installing O2 sensors and AFR gauge from https://www.innovatemotorsports.com <https://www.innovatemotorsports.com/>
Using their DLG for the gauge, 2 O2 sensors in the header downpipes, and an LC-2 controller.
Have a triple DCOE setup and like you, wanted a better read on dialing them in.
Dan



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> 
> From: "Jim Henningsen" <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
> Date: July 17, 2020 at 10:43:53 AM MST
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> 
> 
> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
> installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
> setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
> bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
> carbs.  Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
> 
> 
> 
> 
> 
> From: Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com>
> Subject: Re: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
> Date: July 17, 2020 at 10:54:34 AM MST
> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> 
> 
> 
> Not in a TR6, but I have a wide-band in my TR4A (which also has a supercharger).
> 
> I installed it just past the Y-connector (I have headers).
> 
> I have found it helpful, and informative, though you may now become obsessed with your AFR, and there is only some much you can optimize with carbs.
> 
> I also have them in my TR8 with a MegaSquirt.  Much more interesting there where you have much more control, and can log everything.
> 
> -Darrell
> 
>> On Jul 17, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
>> installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
>> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
>> setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
>> bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
>> carbs.  Thanks
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala, FL
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4
>> 75 TR6
>> 81 TR8
>> 
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 17 17:35:21 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:35:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <000201d65c6a$5ece1060$1c6a3120$@uprichard.net>
References: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
 <000201d65c6a$5ece1060$1c6a3120$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3abFt3dit1jM4Yi=42=AGJd5hGK4HtvtkYJAN0yZtZCd8g@mail.gmail.com>

Excuse my ignorance, but when you put an O2 sensor on an old car without a
"brain" like most of our carburated old triumphs, what do you hook it up to
to get the reading?

Thanks,

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:45 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I have added O2 sensors to a TR250 with triple webers and my smallmouth
> TR3.
> In both cases I took the cars to a rolling road and the sensors were
> invaluable in helping tune the cars.
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim
> Henningsen
> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:44 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
>
> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
> installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
> setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
> bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
> carbs.  Thanks Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Fri Jul 17 18:00:03 2020
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:00:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3abFt3dit1jM4Yi=42=AGJd5hGK4HtvtkYJAN0yZtZCd8g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3abFt3dit1jM4Yi=42=AGJd5hGK4HtvtkYJAN0yZtZCd8g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CBB5BC18-4087-4E9D-BD12-E2DA6B4B561F@aol.com>

You could install meters in the car, you could interface them with a display, or a lap top in the car when you want to tune it, you could Wire to outlets to plug into the computer on a chassis dyno - all kinds of possibilities - ideally you would have one sensor for each carb to optimize tuning 

Cheers,
Jack Mc

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 17, 2020, at 7:35 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Excuse my ignorance, but when you put an O2 sensor on an old car without a "brain" like most of our carburated old triumphs, what do you hook it up to to get the reading?
> 
> Thanks,
> 
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
>> On Fri, Jul 17, 2020, 1:45 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>> I have added O2 sensors to a TR250 with triple webers and my smallmouth TR3.
>> In both cases I took the cars to a rolling road and the sensors were
>> invaluable in helping tune the cars.
>> 
>> Andrew Uprichard
>> Jackson, Michigan
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
>> Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:44 PM
>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
>> 
>> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
>> installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
>> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
>> setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
>> bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
>> carbs.  Thanks Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL
>> 61 TR3A
>> 62 TR4
>> 75 TR6
>> 81 TR8
>> 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Fri Jul 17 18:16:19 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 20:16:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
References: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f4c956a4-2edb-fc05-1a69-2f608580d837@verizon.net>

BTDT, well? GT6 engine

FIS6 is a fuel injected 6 cyl, but the engine has been moved back 6" and 
down 2" so it fits under an unmodified (no bulge) Spitfire bonnet.
I have a 'Techedge' wideband meter and O2 sensor in the downpipe hooked 
up to the ECU that controls the custom port injection FI system.
Personally I've stayed with the Australian based O2 system , (Techedge? 
WBo2.com)? as it does not need periodic re-cal, but do have an 
Innovative gauge in the dash as it's the closest thing to looking like 
and old Smiths gauge.? The TE units give you multiple outputs, bot h 
wide and narrow to drive instrumentation and gauges.
A previous GT6 had one of these as well, strictly for tuning and a 
multitude of experiments leading up to FIS6 construction. The built in 
logging was the best part for those early tests. so not just in the 
garage but I could eval everything it did at all loads and rpm ranges.

http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/spit6whiteyFI/spit6whiteyFI_fullengine1.html


ptegler



On 7/17/2020 1:43 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on
> installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb
> setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2
> bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning
> carbs.  Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala, FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Fri Jul 17 19:01:44 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Fri, 17 Jul 2020 18:01:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <f4c956a4-2edb-fc05-1a69-2f608580d837@verizon.net>
References: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
 <f4c956a4-2edb-fc05-1a69-2f608580d837@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <000001d65c9f$02b54d40$081fe7c0$@cox.net>

Buddy of mine put in an 02 meter in the dash of his TR6 - he is sorting though proper set up of a Holley carb for his supercharger rig.

It's kind of cool actually.


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 5:16 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6

BTDT, well  GT6 engine

FIS6 is a fuel injected 6 cyl, but the engine has been moved back 6" and down 2" so it fits under an unmodified (no bulge) Spitfire bonnet.
I have a 'Techedge' wideband meter and O2 sensor in the downpipe hooked up to the ECU that controls the custom port injection FI system.
Personally I've stayed with the Australian based O2 system , (Techedge
WBo2.com)  as it does not need periodic re-cal, but do have an Innovative gauge in the dash as it's the closest thing to looking like and old Smiths gauge.  The TE units give you multiple outputs, bot h wide and narrow to drive instrumentation and gauges.
A previous GT6 had one of these as well, strictly for tuning and a multitude of experiments leading up to FIS6 construction. The built in logging was the best part for those early tests. so not just in the garage but I could eval everything it did at all loads and rpm ranges.

http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/spit6whiteyFI/spit6whiteyFI_fullengine1.html


ptegler



On 7/17/2020 1:43 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working 
> on installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going 
> into 2
> 1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS 
> carb setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to 
> install and O2 bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found 
> it helpful in tuning carbs.  Thanks Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL
> 61 TR3A
> 62 TR4
> 75 TR6
> 81 TR8
>
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Sat Jul 18 09:34:13 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 11:34:13 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Starter
Message-ID: <1373651595.113077.1595086453567@connect.xfinity.com>

I shouldn't think it very common, but I have read of an odd way that a starter can go bad.  The starter will spin the engine just fine, but sucks much of spark doing so.  Wondering if anyone has encountered this and whether it might be heat related.  

Terry
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 09:46:41 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 08:46:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] Starter
In-Reply-To: <1373651595.113077.1595086453567@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1373651595.113077.1595086453567@connect.xfinity.com>
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Yes, I have encountered this on a non-TR (VW actually) running an old
starter in need of a rebuild.

What would happen is that the starter (with excessive draw) would crank the
engine but not fire... then, a moment after you released the key, the
ignition would fire and because the engine was still spinning it would
start.

Learned to expect it and live with it but replaced the starter at the
earliest opportunity.

Geo

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On Sat, Jul 18, 2020 at 8:35 AM TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:

> I shouldn't think it very common, but I have read of an odd way that a
> starter can go bad.  The starter will spin the engine just fine, but sucks
> much of spark doing so.  Wondering if anyone has encountered this and
> whether it might be heat related.
>
> Terry
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From stan at redtr6.com  Sat Jul 18 12:58:04 2020
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:58:04 +0000
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6
In-Reply-To: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
References: <00cb01d65c61$d6e05ee0$84a11ca0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6989EC24A6C52011E50C883EFE7D0@MN2PR05MB6989.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

I have a wide band o2 sensor in my TR6 and it was helpful in setting up the DCOE carbs on my modified engine. The electronics, Bosch sensor and gauge were from Innovate and there are connections for hooking up to a laptop. 

The main issue I had was it is very hard to drive and watch the o2 sensor and while you can log the data coming off the sensor you don't get the other critical data such as rpm, speed, gear etc. I did try adding more gizmos to capture more data but failed to get them to work (gizmo would not trigger off my 123Ignition distributor).

Stan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Friday, July 17, 2020 1:44 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] O2 Sensor on TR6

Anyone have experience with adding O2 sensor on a TR6?  I am working on installing street comp upgraded motor and have exhaust header going into 2
1/4 straight pipe with cherry bomb near rear.  Will have Triple ZS carb setup.  While everything is apart seems like a good time to install and O2 bung.  Just curious if folks who have done this found it helpful in tuning carbs.  Thanks Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL
61 TR3A
62 TR4
75 TR6
81 TR8

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From dan at tortorici.org  Sat Jul 18 16:53:08 2020
From: dan at tortorici.org (Dan Tortorici)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 15:53:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 187
In-Reply-To: <mailman.6.1595095202.27112.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.6.1595095202.27112.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <C638B152-CE3C-4125-960D-9A01AA27A6BB@tortorici.org>

Regarding:

> On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:00 AM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> Excuse my ignorance, but when you put an O2 sensor on an old car without a "brain" like most of our carburated old triumphs, what do you hook it up to to get the reading?

It?s all about monitoring the fuel system.  The ?brain? in this system is you :) 
You use the info you get to make changes as necessary.

The Innovate stuff will give me:

1.  real-time AFR via the gauge
2. Logging along with Tach output for analysis
3. Output to memory card for post ride analysis. 
4. Can accept additional analog inputs that will sync and log with the above as well.

Excited to see what this all will tell me once I get the install and setup complete.

Dan
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Sat Jul 18 17:06:18 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:06:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 10
References: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$.ref@flash.net>
Message-ID: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$@flash.net>

Have a friend in our British Motor club with a TR10 Estate, the rubber
bushings(3) that mount the heater to the firewall have failed and he is
having trouble finding replacements.  Any thoughts from the collective
wisdom here as to where I might help him search?

 

Thanks,

Bill B

TS30800L

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 17:24:41 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 19:24:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 10
In-Reply-To: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$@flash.net>
References: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$.ref@flash.net>
 <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwiXZYUn2hFY+SFH5dVASgEHabH0sD9wHq5W+is6rnn3_Q@mail.gmail.com>

Bill;

Any chance your friend has a picture of what this item looks like?
Substitutes or improvisation may be his best bet...

Dave

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:06 PM bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

> Have a friend in our British Motor club with a TR10 Estate, the rubber
> bushings(3) that mount the heater to the firewall have failed and he is
> having trouble finding replacements.  Any thoughts from the collective
> wisdom here as to where I might help him search?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill B
>
> TS30800L
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Sat Jul 18 17:49:23 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 18:49:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 10
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwiXZYUn2hFY+SFH5dVASgEHabH0sD9wHq5W+is6rnn3_Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$.ref@flash.net>
 <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$@flash.net>
 <CAJ1eQwiXZYUn2hFY+SFH5dVASgEHabH0sD9wHq5W+is6rnn3_Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001901d65d5e$11009c50$3301d4f0$@flash.net>

Dave,

It?s a double threaded post, bonded in rubber.  I have seen just the broken stub but will ask if he has a picture.  I found a very similar item in the McMaster-Carr catalogue but still looking for the real deal if available.

Bill

 

From: David Friedlander [mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com] 
Sent: Saturday, July 18, 2020 6:25 PM
To: bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR 10

 

Bill;

 

Any chance your friend has a picture of what this item looks like? Substitutes or improvisation may be his best bet...

 

Dave

 

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:06 PM bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

Have a friend in our British Motor club with a TR10 Estate, the rubber bushings(3) that mount the heater to the firewall have failed and he is having trouble finding replacements.  Any thoughts from the collective wisdom here as to where I might help him search?

 

Thanks,

Bill B

TS30800L

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 18 18:16:30 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 20:16:30 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 10
In-Reply-To: <001901d65d5e$11009c50$3301d4f0$@flash.net>
References: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$.ref@flash.net>
 <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$@flash.net>
 <CAJ1eQwiXZYUn2hFY+SFH5dVASgEHabH0sD9wHq5W+is6rnn3_Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <001901d65d5e$11009c50$3301d4f0$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwinOq5Ze-NtsvEAX_jAJSPSN316m1dco3NFy7KEUb4Q1A@mail.gmail.com>

Without seeing the actual part, it *sounds* like the rubber
double-threaded-post pieces used to mount the TR6 wiper motor.

Dave

On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:49 PM bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:

> Dave,
>
> It?s a double threaded post, bonded in rubber.  I have seen just the
> broken stub but will ask if he has a picture.  I found a very similar item
> in the McMaster-Carr catalogue but still looking for the real deal if
> available.
>
> Bill
>
>
>
> *From:* David Friedlander [mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com]
> *Sent:* Saturday, July 18, 2020 6:25 PM
> *To:* bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net>
> *Cc:* TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] TR 10
>
>
>
> Bill;
>
>
>
> Any chance your friend has a picture of what this item looks like?
> Substitutes or improvisation may be his best bet...
>
>
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> On Sat, Jul 18, 2020, 7:06 PM bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
>
> Have a friend in our British Motor club with a TR10 Estate, the rubber
> bushings(3) that mount the heater to the firewall have failed and he is
> having trouble finding replacements.  Any thoughts from the collective
> wisdom here as to where I might help him search?
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
> Bill B
>
> TS30800L
>
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sat Jul 18 19:51:42 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 02:51:42 +0100
Subject: [TR] TR 10
In-Reply-To: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$@flash.net>
References: <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$.ref@flash.net>
 <000801d65d58$0c3407d0$249c1770$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <0B77B990-2F46-4313-AB62-CEA81E359EBE@Ukpips.org.uk>

Likely the Standard Motor Club in the U.K. might help. They have quite a parts operation but will only sell to their own members, so he?d have to take out membership.

Jonmac

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> On 19 Jul 2020, at 00:06, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
> 
> Have a friend in our British Motor club with a TR10 Estate, the rubber bushings(3) that mount the heater to the firewall have failed and he is having trouble finding replacements.  Any thoughts from the collective wisdom here as to where I might help him search?
>  
> Thanks,
> Bill B
> TS30800L
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Jul 18 22:10:19 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 00:10:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 187
In-Reply-To: <C638B152-CE3C-4125-960D-9A01AA27A6BB@tortorici.org>
References: <mailman.6.1595095202.27112.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <C638B152-CE3C-4125-960D-9A01AA27A6BB@tortorici.org>
Message-ID: <1ab8a7fa-44a8-704d-4962-8031c427e553@verizon.net>

...as mentioned before....quick lesson just by looking at the avail 
parts....

wbo2.com


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On 7/18/2020 6:53 PM, Dan Tortorici wrote:
> Regarding:
>
>> On Jul 18, 2020, at 11:00 AM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net 
>> <mailto:triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
>>
>> Excuse my ignorance, but when you put an O2 sensor on an old car 
>> without a "brain" like most of our carburated old triumphs, what do 
>> you hook it up to to get the reading?
>
> It?s all about monitoring the fuel system. ?The ?brain? in this system 
> is you :)
> You use the info you get to make changes as necessary.
>
> The Innovate stuff will give me:
>
> 1. ?real-time AFR via the gauge
> 2. Logging along with Tach output for analysis
> 3. Output to memory card for post ride analysis.
> 4. Can accept additional analog inputs that will sync and log with the 
> above as well.
>
> Excited to see what this all will tell me once I get the install and 
> setup complete.
>
> Dan
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From bill_beecher at flash.net  Sat Jul 18 22:16:00 2020
From: bill_beecher at flash.net (Bill Beecher)
Date: Sat, 18 Jul 2020 23:16:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 10
In-Reply-To: <D868F8F8-EA1F-4C8D-B43E-82D37DE575C1@chinaautogroup.com>
References: <D868F8F8-EA1F-4C8D-B43E-82D37DE575C1@chinaautogroup.com>
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Yes, been there, that?s plan ?B? if we can?t find the real deal. 
Thx,
Bill

On Jul 18, 2020, at 10:08 PM, Steve Kirby <sackirby at chinaautogroup.com> wrote:

? Go to mcmastercarr.com

Steve Kirby

> On Jul 18, 2020, at 6:52 PM, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Likely the Standard Motor Club in the U.K. might help. They have quite a parts operation but will only sell to their own members, so he?d have to take out membership.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
> Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?
> 
> 
> On 19 Jul 2020, at 00:06, bill beecher <bill_beecher at flash.net> wrote:
> 
>> Have a friend in our British Motor club with a TR10 Estate, the rubber bushings(3) that mount the heater to the firewall have failed and he is having trouble finding replacements.  Any thoughts from the collective wisdom here as to where I might help him search?
>>  
>> Thanks,
>> Bill B
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From fogbro1 at comcast.net  Sun Jul 19 06:06:14 2020
From: fogbro1 at comcast.net (EDWARD WOODS)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 08:06:14 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Starter
In-Reply-To: <CANzE1bFtzy0chUEUJncHmkqgzcH2SXBxUxRJajfnbAynrtXgog@mail.gmail.com>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Jul 19 08:17:00 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 10:17:00 -0400
Subject: [TR] Starter
In-Reply-To: <1373651595.113077.1595086453567@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <1373651595.113077.1595086453567@connect.xfinity.com>
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I'd start at the key switch.
ON connections should extend to the START position, dirty contacts could 
mean no actual power being deliverdd to the ign ckt whil in START position.
hook a voltmeter to the coil + terminal and watch the meter when you 
turn the key to START
power should be there in on AND start, but might be disappearing in START

ptegler


On 7/18/2020 11:34 AM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
> I shouldn't think it very common, but I have read of an odd way that a 
> starter can go bad.? The starter will spin the engine just fine, but 
> sucks much of spark doing so.? Wondering if anyone has encountered 
> this and whether it might be heat related.
>
> Terry
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Jul 19 16:21:23 2020
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 15:21:23 -0700
Subject: [TR] Ref: TR10
References: <9abaca92-e5d3-748b-cbb8-497896f85f45.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <9abaca92-e5d3-748b-cbb8-497896f85f45@att.net>

Sounds like a standard electric motor mount.?? In the USA Grainger has 
many sizes starting at 8-32 threads up to about 1/2" if I remember 
correctly.?? I expect that MacMaster-Carr, and MSG have similar offerings.

I just checked and they call them Cylindrical Vibration Isolators.?? Here 
is a link


https://www.grainger.com/category/hardware/mounts-and-vibration-control/cylindrical-vibration-isolators


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 19 16:57:37 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 19 Jul 2020 17:57:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Ref: TR10
In-Reply-To: <9abaca92-e5d3-748b-cbb8-497896f85f45@att.net>
References: <9abaca92-e5d3-748b-cbb8-497896f85f45@att.net>
Message-ID: <85267945-3BED-49DE-8C23-5E1D48DEFDC4@yahoo.com>

Edward,
That?s it, had not thought of Grainger. 

Thanks to all who responded, I?m sure we will resolve this with the sources suggested. 

Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 19, 2020, at 5:21 PM, Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

?Sounds like a standard electric motor mount.?? In the USA Grainger has many sizes starting at 8-32 threads up to about 1/2" if I remember correctly.?? I expect that MacMaster-Carr, and MSG have similar offerings.

I just checked and they call them Cylindrical Vibration Isolators.?? Here is a link


https://www.grainger.com/category/hardware/mounts-and-vibration-control/cylindrical-vibration-isolators


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jul 20 18:34:03 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 19:34:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] what car
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Is this throw out bearing for a Triumph?

 

 

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Jul 20 19:05:34 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 21:05:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] what car
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Looks like a TO Bearing brass collar that the TO bearing presses onto. I believe newer ones are steel but the early ones were brass.  Also looks like a TR3 thru 4 application, maybe 250 and 6.
JVV

From: dave 
Sent: Monday, July 20, 2020 8:34 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] what car

Is this throw out bearing for a Triumph?

 

 



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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jul 21 09:21:54 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 10:21:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] part available
Message-ID: <001801d65f72$aaa1a8c0$ffe4fa40$@ranteer.com>

I have this part left over from a previous restoration.  

 

As you can see, it's a bit pricey.  Before I put it on ebay, does anyone
want to make me an offer?

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From dbh97530 at gmail.com  Tue Jul 21 14:49:45 2020
From: dbh97530 at gmail.com (david hammond)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 13:49:45 -0700
Subject: [TR] Mayflower
Message-ID: <0D0F970A-37E6-4DE8-B391-4F567333B80A@gmail.com>


I was talking to someone from Southern California about a mayflower. I lost his contact info, please contact me off list
David in Oregon 
Sent from my iPhone


From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 21 15:04:14 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:04:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] Mayflower
In-Reply-To: <0D0F970A-37E6-4DE8-B391-4F567333B80A@gmail.com>
References: <0D0F970A-37E6-4DE8-B391-4F567333B80A@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <596A55AB-C204-48EB-A8D6-6FAB44D920B0@yahoo.com>

Bill Brewer?

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 3:49 PM, david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I was talking to someone from Southern California about a mayflower. I lost his contact info, please contact me off list
David in Oregon 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 21 15:57:03 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 16:57:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
References: <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C@yahoo.com>

Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns perfectly)

Thanks,
Bill B
TS74313E

#dontkillgrandma

From tony at tonydrews.com  Tue Jul 21 16:05:53 2020
From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 17:05:53 -0500
Subject: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
In-Reply-To: <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C@yahoo.com>
References: <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C.ref@yahoo.com>
 <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <cb5a8651-85af-125a-7c3b-a9b1343aebca@tonydrews.com>

Smooth side goes up.

It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has 
been milled at all.

I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.? If 
the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the 
composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.

On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns perfectly)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill B
> TS74313E
>
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Jul 21 16:37:02 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:37:02 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Mayflower
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References: <0D0F970A-37E6-4DE8-B391-4F567333B80A@gmail.com>
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Curious.  Since my great-great-great-whatever-uncle William Pierce captained the Mayflower a couple of years after they delivered the Pilgrims to Plymouth Rock, the second of the Mayflower's voyages there, I am doubly curious why an English car company would name a car for the dastardly unrepentent colonists the ship carried.

I mean, what the heck?

Terry Smith, 1959 TR3A
New Hampshire


> On 07/21/2020 4:49 PM david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> I was talking to someone from Southern California about a mayflower. I lost his contact info, please contact me off list
> David in Oregon 
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Jul 21 16:41:54 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:41:54 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
In-Reply-To: <cb5a8651-85af-125a-7c3b-a9b1343aebca@tonydrews.com>
References: <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C.ref@yahoo.com>
 <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C@yahoo.com>
 <cb5a8651-85af-125a-7c3b-a9b1343aebca@tonydrews.com>
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Just a note:  I have made the mistake during earlier rebuilds of not using a succession of half-inch sockets bolted down over the sleeves to ensure each side of the cylinder has compressed the figure 8 gasket to allow the sleeve to be .003 proud of the head surface.  Invariably I blew head gaskets (okay, partially because I drive in what Listers describe as a "spirited" fashion).  Since learning my lesson, I've blown nary a one.

Since you're at this point, just thought I'd mention.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A  TS 58667
New Hampshire


> On 07/21/2020 6:05 PM Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Smooth side goes up.
> 
> It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has 
> been milled at all.
> 
> I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.? If 
> the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the 
> composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.
> 
> On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> > Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
> > 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> > 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
> > 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns perfectly)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill B
> > TS74313E
> >
> > #dontkillgrandma
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Jul 21 17:30:25 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 19:30:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
In-Reply-To: <cb5a8651-85af-125a-7c3b-a9b1343aebca@tonydrews.com>
References: <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C.ref@yahoo.com>
 <A2276F3A-3227-4D90-A53D-930E1C5CE72C@yahoo.com>
 <cb5a8651-85af-125a-7c3b-a9b1343aebca@tonydrews.com>
Message-ID: <6F5531298B314BDBB5BDC886411D8520@VlackTK121647>

Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.

Questions:
What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part 
Number?
How much is milled off the head?

I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an 
original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are 
getting hard to find.

And be certain to re-torque the head.

With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm 
able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.

Your results may differ.

JVV

-----Original Message----- 
From: Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?

Smooth side goes up.

It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has
been milled at all.

I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If
the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the
composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.

On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the 
> head gasket. Two questions:
> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, 
> is this OK?
> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the 
> water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns 
> perfectly)
>
> Thanks,
> Bill B
> TS74313E
>
> #dontkillgrandma
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 21 17:48:59 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 18:48:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
In-Reply-To: <6F5531298B314BDBB5BDC886411D8520@VlackTK121647>
References: <6F5531298B314BDBB5BDC886411D8520@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <E3E288EB-A660-4D21-9F83-1D27A15FE79E@yahoo.com>

Thank you all, smooth side up it is.  
Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.   Head and deck are stock. 

Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them alone. 

Cheers,
Bill B


#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:

?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.

Questions:
What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part Number?
How much is milled off the head?

I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are getting hard to find.

And be certain to re-torque the head.

With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.

Your results may differ.

JVV

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?

Smooth side goes up.

It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has
been milled at all.

I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If
the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the
composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.

> On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns perfectly)
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill B
> TS74313E
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 21 19:44:36 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 21 Jul 2020 20:44:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
In-Reply-To: <E3E288EB-A660-4D21-9F83-1D27A15FE79E@yahoo.com>
References: <E3E288EB-A660-4D21-9F83-1D27A15FE79E@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <29846567-8617-4E41-A6DA-A0FD67313F90@yahoo.com>

My bad, that part number is for a lower end set from BPNW. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:

?Thank you all, smooth side up it is.  
Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.   Head and deck are stock. 

Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them alone. 

Cheers,
Bill B


#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:

?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.

Questions:
What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part Number?
How much is milled off the head?

I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are getting hard to find.

And be certain to re-torque the head.

With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.

Your results may differ.

JVV

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?

Smooth side goes up.

It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has
been milled at all.

I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If
the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the
composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.

> On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns perfectly)
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill B
> TS74313E
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Jul 21 20:04:10 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 02:04:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Mayflower
In-Reply-To: <883391844.113163.1595371024279@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <0D0F970A-37E6-4DE8-B391-4F567333B80A@gmail.com>
 <883391844.113163.1595371024279@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <1369236921.3689911.1595383450701@mail.yahoo.com>

 Maybe they were having April showers?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Tue, Jul 21, 2020 5:37 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Mayflower

Curious.? Since my great-great-great-whatever-uncle William Pierce captained the Mayflower a couple of years after they delivered the Pilgrims to Plymouth Rock, the second of the Mayflower's voyages there, I am doubly curious why an English car company would name a car for the dastardly unrepentent colonists the ship carried.

I mean, what the heck?

Terry Smith, 1959 TR3A
New Hampshire


> On 07/21/2020 4:49 PM david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
>? 
> I was talking to someone from Southern California about a mayflower. I lost his contact info, please contact me off list
> David in Oregon 
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From john-marie at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 22 08:44:10 2020
From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (John Deluca)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:44:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 Doors
References: <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D.ref@sbcglobal.net>
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Listers,
In final assembly of my TR2 that was partially restored by the PO.  The doors fit well, but the latches don?t line up with the striker plates.  Both latches are too high to nest in the striker plate.  The latch hits above the striker plate opening.  I?ve used all the available play in both pieces and made slight adjustments to the doors.  I?m at a dead end.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
John DeLuca

Sent from my iPad

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 08:51:43 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 07:51:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR2 Doors
In-Reply-To: <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D@sbcglobal.net>
References: <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D@sbcglobal.net>
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On 7/22/20 7:44 AM, John Deluca wrote:
> Listers,
> In final assembly of my TR2 that was partially restored by the PO.  The doors fit well, but the latches don???t line up with the striker plates.  Both latches are too high to nest in the striker plate.  The latch hits above the striker plate opening.  I???ve used all the available play in both pieces and made slight adjustments to the doors.  I???m at a dead end.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
> John DeLuca

Did you or the previous owner remove the body from the frame?

TeriAnn


From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul 22 09:43:50 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:43:50 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] TR2 Doors
In-Reply-To: <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D@sbcglobal.net>
References: <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D@sbcglobal.net>
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Perhaps the doors are from a different tub.  You might just have to open or slot the holes in the door and/or b-pillar. Whatever is necessary. I think the striker side has a caged threaded plate in the b-pillar and it may be to it's limit, so that is more difficult to address.  
Dave H.
> On 07/22/2020 7:44 AM John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Listers,
> In final assembly of my TR2 that was partially restored by the PO.  The doors fit well, but the latches don?t line up with the striker plates.  Both latches are too high to nest in the striker plate.  The latch hits above the striker plate opening.  I?ve used all the available play in both pieces and made slight adjustments to the doors.  I?m at a dead end.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
> John DeLuca
> 
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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Wed Jul 22 09:48:50 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 08:48:50 -0700
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question
Message-ID: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>

I'm going to be installing a Judson Supercharger on my TR3 this fall.  I have acquired the rebuilt supercharger, manifold, carb and a specially built dizzy.

I'll need some sort of thicker head gasket to lower the compression from its current 9.3/1 to a more suitable 8.7 (ish)/1   Anybody have any idea where to get it and what to use for the thicker head gasket?


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:45 PM
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?

My bad, that part number is for a lower end set from BPNW. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:

?Thank you all, smooth side up it is.  
Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.   Head and deck are stock. 

Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them alone. 

Cheers,
Bill B


#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:

?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.

Questions:
What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part Number?
How much is milled off the head?

I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are getting hard to find.

And be certain to re-torque the head.

With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.

Your results may differ.

JVV

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?

Smooth side goes up.

It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has been milled at all.

I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.

> On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the 
> water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns 
> perfectly)
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill B
> TS74313E
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jul 22 10:23:11 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:23:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question
In-Reply-To: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
References: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <001901d66044$65072ce0$2f1586a0$@charter.net>

Briggs & Stratton used to suggest using two head gaskets when equipping one of their older cast-iron engines for operation on kerosene. Would that work??

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of jpaynepbr at cox.net
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:49 AM
To: 'bill beecher'; 'Jerry Van Vlack'
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question

I'm going to be installing a Judson Supercharger on my TR3 this fall.  I have acquired the rebuilt supercharger, manifold, carb and a specially built dizzy.

I'll need some sort of thicker head gasket to lower the compression from its current 9.3/1 to a more suitable 8.7 (ish)/1   Anybody have any idea where to get it and what to use for the thicker head gasket?


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:45 PM
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?

My bad, that part number is for a lower end set from BPNW. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:

?Thank you all, smooth side up it is.  
Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.   Head and deck are stock. 

Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them alone. 

Cheers,
Bill B


#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:

?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.

Questions:
What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part Number?
How much is milled off the head?

I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are getting hard to find.

And be certain to re-torque the head.

With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.

Your results may differ.

JVV

-----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?

Smooth side goes up.

It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has been milled at all.

I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.

> On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the 
> water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns 
> perfectly)
> 
> Thanks,
> Bill B
> TS74313E
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
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From vintagenick42 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 22 10:38:00 2020
From: vintagenick42 at yahoo.com (Nick Black)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 09:38:00 -0700
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question
In-Reply-To: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
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Cometic  gaskets can make just about Thickness you might need.

Nick

Sent from the wilds of NorCal 

> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:50 AM, jpaynepbr at cox.net wrote:
> 
> ?I'm going to be installing a Judson Supercharger on my TR3 this fall.  I have acquired the rebuilt supercharger, manifold, carb and a specially built dizzy.
> 
> I'll need some sort of thicker head gasket to lower the compression from its current 9.3/1 to a more suitable 8.7 (ish)/1   Anybody have any idea where to get it and what to use for the thicker head gasket?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:45 PM
> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
> 
> My bad, that part number is for a lower end set from BPNW. 
> Bill
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thank you all, smooth side up it is.  
> Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.   Head and deck are stock. 
> 
> Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them alone. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Bill B
> 
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.
> 
> Questions:
> What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
> Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part Number?
> How much is milled off the head?
> 
> I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are getting hard to find.
> 
> And be certain to re-torque the head.
> 
> With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.
> 
> Your results may differ.
> 
> JVV
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
> 
> Smooth side goes up.
> 
> It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has been milled at all.
> 
> I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.
> 
>> On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
>> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
>> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
>> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
>> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the 
>> water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns 
>> perfectly)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill B
>> TS74313E
>> 
>> #dontkillgrandma
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 11:26:58 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:26:58 -0700
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question
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Moss and other vendors offer a shim steel gasket that can be used alone but
was (I think) originally used by Triumph to lower compression in parts of
the world where that was required (due to available fuels):

Remember the steel "Corgasyl" head gasket that Triumph offered for
> competition use and as part of the compression lowering kit for "tropical"
> use? A version of this is still available for 89mm engines, but may be used
> with smaller bores sizes.
>

https://mossmotors.com/head-gasket-steel-shim-020-thick-for-83mm-86mm-87mm-89mm?utm_source=feed&utm_medium=free&utm_campaign=shopping&gclid=CjwKCAjwx9_4BRAHEiwApAt0ztFBWB82Rql8-_ZZtAbC_9ZEbmiXjzdQm4FwP8jkOg9_ULxs4x459xoC6dUQAvD_BwE


On Wed, Jul 22, 2020 at 8:51 AM <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:

> I'm going to be installing a Judson Supercharger on my TR3 this fall.  I
> have acquired the rebuilt supercharger, manifold, carb and a specially
> built dizzy.
>
> I'll need some sort of thicker head gasket to lower the compression from
> its current 9.3/1 to a more suitable 8.7 (ish)/1   Anybody have any idea
> where to get it and what to use for the thicker head gasket?
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:45 PM
> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
>
> My bad, that part number is for a lower end set from BPNW.
> Bill
>
> #dontkillgrandma
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>
> ?Thank you all, smooth side up it is.
> Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.
>  Head and deck are stock.
>
> Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them
> alone.
>
> Cheers,
> Bill B
>
>
> #dontkillgrandma
>
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
> wrote:
>
> ?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.
>
> Questions:
> What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
> Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part
> Number?
> How much is milled off the head?
>
> I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an
> original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are
> getting hard to find.
>
> And be certain to re-torque the head.
>
> With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG
> I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.
>
> Your results may differ.
>
> JVV
>
> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
>
> Smooth side goes up.
>
> It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has
> been milled at all.
>
> I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If the
> edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the composite
> part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.
>
> > On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> > Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the
> head gasket. Two questions:
> > 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> > 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about
> 1mm, is this OK?
> > 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the
> > water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns
> > perfectly)
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Bill B
> > TS74313E
> >
> > #dontkillgrandma
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul 22 11:57:09 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 10:57:09 -0700
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question
In-Reply-To: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
References: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <F3F958FB-5DC8-4C9E-B6BE-7563A3ED59F8@comcast.net>

You might consider checking with Gasketworks (www.headgasket.com). Mordy can make solid copper gaskets in many different thicknesses. 
Dave H.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 22, 2020, at 8:48 AM, <jpaynepbr at cox.net> <jpaynepbr at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> I'm going to be installing a Judson Supercharger on my TR3 this fall.  I have acquired the rebuilt supercharger, manifold, carb and a specially built dizzy.
> 
> I'll need some sort of thicker head gasket to lower the compression from its current 9.3/1 to a more suitable 8.7 (ish)/1   Anybody have any idea where to get it and what to use for the thicker head gasket?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:45 PM
> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
> 
> My bad, that part number is for a lower end set from BPNW. 
> Bill
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thank you all, smooth side up it is.  
> Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.   Head and deck are stock. 
> 
> Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them alone. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Bill B
> 
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.
> 
> Questions:
> What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
> Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part Number?
> How much is milled off the head?
> 
> I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are getting hard to find.
> 
> And be certain to re-torque the head.
> 
> With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.
> 
> Your results may differ.
> 
> JVV
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
> 
> Smooth side goes up.
> 
> It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has been milled at all.
> 
> I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.
> 
>> On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
>> Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
>> 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
>> 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
>> 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the 
>> water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns 
>> perfectly)
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Bill B
>> TS74313E
>> 
>> #dontkillgrandma
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From rjwilson1250 at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 12:43:49 2020
From: rjwilson1250 at gmail.com (Roger J. Wilson)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 11:43:49 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Cylinder Head
Message-ID: <009c01d66058$0a9035e0$1fb0a1a0$@gmail.com>

I am replacing the head gasket and valves on my ?60 TR3.  My machine shop just told me that when they magnifluxed the head they found an unrepairable crack in the head. Does anyone have a source for used or rebuild heads? 

 

Thanks,

Roger Wilson

?60 TR3

?74 GT6

 





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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 22 13:39:15 2020
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 12:39:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] Mayflower
In-Reply-To: <596A55AB-C204-48EB-A8D6-6FAB44D920B0@yahoo.com>
References: <0D0F970A-37E6-4DE8-B391-4F567333B80A@gmail.com>
 <596A55AB-C204-48EB-A8D6-6FAB44D920B0@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00c301d6605f$ca430dc0$5ec92940$@yahoo.com>

    No, not Bill Brewer. That handsome guy sold his Triumph Renown.

     Bill Brewer
     Morro Bay, CA
     1960 Triumph TR3A
     1952 Morgan Plus4 Flat Rad


-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher [mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 2:04 PM
To: david hammond
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Mayflower

Bill Brewer?

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 21, 2020, at 3:49 PM, david hammond <dbh97530 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I was talking to someone from Southern California about a mayflower. I lost his contact info, please contact me off list
David in Oregon 
Sent from my iPhone

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jul 22 14:27:50 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 16:27:50 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR2 Doors
In-Reply-To: <1332343744.93274.1595432630364@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D.ref@sbcglobal.net>
 <03DCB095-FEA2-45FD-8AC4-EEA196249D9D@sbcglobal.net>
 <1332343744.93274.1595432630364@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <00a701d66066$92d6f520$b884df60$@uprichard.net>

Unfortunately a common problem with restorations.  Hopefully the car is not in final paint as the only solution (as Dave says) is to start elongating holes or cutting and welding.

When you do get to the point where things do line up the "ears" on the aftermarket latches will often need to be bent out to allow the doors to close properly. 

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVE HOGYE
Sent: Wednesday, July 22, 2020 11:44 AM
To: John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net>; <triumphs at autox.team.net> <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 Doors

Perhaps the doors are from a different tub.  You might just have to open or slot the holes in the door and/or b-pillar. Whatever is necessary. I think the striker side has a caged threaded plate in the b-pillar and it may be to it's limit, so that is more difficult to address.  
Dave H.
> On 07/22/2020 7:44 AM John Deluca <john-marie at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
>  
> Listers,
> In final assembly of my TR2 that was partially restored by the PO.  The doors fit well, but the latches don?t line up with the striker plates.  Both latches are too high to nest in the striker plate.  The latch hits above the striker plate opening.  I?ve used all the available play in both pieces and made slight adjustments to the doors.  I?m at a dead end.  Any suggestions will be appreciated.
> John DeLuca
> 
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Wed Jul 22 15:16:31 2020
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 17:16:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question
In-Reply-To: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
References: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CANhzkeP=NB4Jbw7+_p6y+JhP+CS+6jumFR5Kpc63wBUATZtnSg@mail.gmail.com>

Bpnw and moss sell a
0.020" steel shim for the head
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Wed Jul 22 16:08:17 2020
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 15:08:17 -0700 (PDT)
Subject: [TR] New Head Gasket Question
In-Reply-To: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
References: <000001d6603f$99eadb00$cdc09100$@cox.net>
Message-ID: <1314266299.95944.1595455697699@connect.xfinity.com>

The steel shim gasket is much thinner than the standard head gasket. Mordy at www.headgasket.com can make a solid copper head gasket in many thicknesses.  He is a longtime TR4 racer and makes special copper gaskets for many different industries, but started his company making gaskets for his Triumph racing efforts.  
There are other ways to decrease the compression and still use the standard gasket.  Like, opening the combustion chamber a little, or dishing the tops of the pistons. It wouldn't take much, but knowing how many cc's are needed would be important.  
Do you know how much thicker the head gasket needs to be?  Mordy might be able to help you with this. 
Dave H.



> On 07/22/2020 8:48 AM jpaynepbr at cox.net wrote:
> 
>  
> I'm going to be installing a Judson Supercharger on my TR3 this fall.  I have acquired the rebuilt supercharger, manifold, carb and a specially built dizzy.
> 
> I'll need some sort of thicker head gasket to lower the compression from its current 9.3/1 to a more suitable 8.7 (ish)/1   Anybody have any idea where to get it and what to use for the thicker head gasket?
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:45 PM
> To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
> 
> My bad, that part number is for a lower end set from BPNW. 
> Bill
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:49 PM, bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Thank you all, smooth side up it is.  
> Gasket and 87mm pistons and liners all came from TRF, Lucas p/n EC510L.   Head and deck are stock. 
> 
> Tony, yes the edge on the water holes are rolled, so I?ll leave them alone. 
> 
> Cheers,
> Bill B
> 
> 
> #dontkillgrandma
> 
> On Jul 21, 2020, at 6:30 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Adding to what Tony says, the gasket should NOT protrude into the bore.
> 
> Questions:
> What is the bore? 86, 87 or 89 mm?
> Where did the gasket come from and what brand is it? What is it's Part Number?
> How much is milled off the head?
> 
> I've been through this and the only thing working for me is to find an original AE 330 copper gasket. NOT the Repro 330 gasket. The originals are getting hard to find.
> 
> And be certain to re-torque the head.
> 
> With .070 milled off the head and 87mm liners and an original AE 330 HG I'm able to keep the gasket out of the combustion chamber.
> 
> Your results may differ.
> 
> JVV
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Tony Drews
> Sent: Tuesday, July 21, 2020 6:05 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Copper head gasket: Which side up?
> 
> Smooth side goes up.
> 
> It's better if the gasket doesn't protrude, hard to do if the head has been milled at all.
> 
> I've not messed with the water holes, no firm answer on that one.  If the edge of those is rolled over I'd leave alone, if it exposes the composite part of the gasket it's OK to open up a bit.
> 
> > On 7/21/2020 4:57 PM, bill beecher wrote:
> > Reassembling the TR3 motor for the old Morgan and I am dry fitting the head gasket. Two questions:
> > 1. Which side goes up, smooth or the rolled over side?
> > 2. On a couple cylinders the gasket protrudes into the bore by about 1mm, is this OK?
> > 3. At the front the holes in the gasket do not match exactly with the 
> > water passage, is it OK to open those up just a bit?  (The back aligns 
> > perfectly)
> > 
> > Thanks,
> > Bill B
> > TS74313E
> > 
> > #dontkillgrandma
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From john-marie at sbcglobal.net  Wed Jul 22 19:13:59 2020
From: john-marie at sbcglobal.net (John Deluca)
Date: Wed, 22 Jul 2020 20:13:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 Doors
References: <19AACA78-971C-4360-96AB-CC27709BB9BF.ref@sbcglobal.net>
Message-ID: <19AACA78-971C-4360-96AB-CC27709BB9BF@sbcglobal.net>

Thanks to all who responded to my earlier post.  With help from a fellow that knows a lot more than me, it appears some sort of surgery will be required.  TBD.  
John

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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Thu Jul 23 11:04:00 2020
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 10:04:00 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 Heads
Message-ID: <51772918-9B93-4C2C-BDD6-777B3EDA2C59@comcast.net>

Someone posted needing TR3 head  ? please contact me and I can help you out.

Bill Pugh

anabil007 at comcast.net

Life is too short
to drive Boring Cars




From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jul 23 16:30:31 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:30:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>

I just got a call from Randall's wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
was only 64.  Very sad indeed.

 

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE
as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to
other sites where he was active.

 

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe,
but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who
want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her
address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.

 

Rest in peace, Randall - we will miss you.

 

Andrew

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Thu Jul 23 16:43:34 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:43:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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Oh no!  This is awful news.  What can we do for Mei, as a group?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2020, at 17:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.

Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.

Andrew
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Thu Jul 23 16:45:59 2020
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:45:59 +0100
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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This is sad news indeed. I never met Randall as we live many thousands of miles apart but over the years he greatly impressed me with his knowledge and his technical fixes. This list has lost a colossal information resource, friend, and general Mr Fixitall. I?m sure our thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family at this very sad time.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:  ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 23 Jul 2020, at 23:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>  
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>  
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>  
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>  
> Andrew
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 16:53:37 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:53:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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Very sad to hear--he will be greatly missed

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
> was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303
> 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 16:54:39 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:54:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
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Terrible news indeed.  Randall was one of the first list members I met in
person - 18 years ago as I recall.  He will be sorely missed.

Like myself, Randall was from Indiana though perhaps there was a Missouri
connection too.

He was a very generous individual: creative, knowledgeable and direct.

Geo

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
> was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303
> 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 17:07:52 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:07:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
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Aw, I'm so sorry to hear that!  Rest in peace, Randall.  May all your
crankshafts be in one piece from now on...

Randall's people and his shop are about 100 miles southwest of Saint Louis,
Missouri, near Rolla.

Don
Saint Louis MO
1962 TR3B

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
> was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303
> 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Thu Jul 23 17:25:21 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:25:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <512b7444-032d-dc7e-e52b-14942ff439fa@adelphia.net>

I never met Randall but felt as if I did. So much knowledge. Was there 
any topic or question that he did not have an answer?

And to go so young. He will be missed by all on this list for sure.

Rest in peace.

Bob

PS. if there is a link to an obituary please post a link. Thanks

On 7/23/20 6:30 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:
>
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? 
> He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note 
> on TRE as well as this email. Anyone who knew Randall should feel free 
> to post to other sites where he was active.
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I 
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any 
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? 
> (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 
> 90712-1605.
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
> Andrew
>
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From greg at gregoryd.com  Thu Jul 23 17:29:09 2020
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg Donovan)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:29:09 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <076103F0-96EE-4674-9FA7-343B1699E182@gregoryd.com>

I don?t know how many posts he made here, but since September 2012, Randall posted 8,744 times to TRE. That?s an average of over three each day. 

How many of those were clear, concise and spot on like his posts here? Thousands? How many had the perfect picture attached?

His knowledge and generosity in sharing it seemed boundless. 

You were truly amazing, Randall. Rest in peace.

?Greg

On Jul 23, 2020, at 18:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
 
Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
 
Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
 
Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
 
Andrew
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 23 17:31:16 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:31:16 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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 im stunnedRandall was the best.im proud to say i knew him and he was friend.we were both members of the 3 los angeles triumph clubs.i have the left front fender from his wrecked TR3 on my car.
a fond memory might be worth telling, to hold back my tears.the first los angeles triumph club i attended was a dismal night.it was raining like a new york rain.in the parking lot was a green TR3 with a rag top. it was a rag. no back windows.when i asked whos it was i was pointed to Randall.he had that wry smile as i questioned him on being out on a night like this so unprepared with his top.a guy who i never saw drive anything but a triumph
gosh im so distressed



    On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 03:30:57 PM PDT, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:  
 
 
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.

 ?

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.

 ?

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.

 ?

Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.

 ?

Andrew
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From italyfound at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 17:33:48 2020
From: italyfound at gmail.com (Italyfound)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:33:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <076103F0-96EE-4674-9FA7-343B1699E182@gregoryd.com>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
 <076103F0-96EE-4674-9FA7-343B1699E182@gregoryd.com>
Message-ID: <5f1a1e5b.1c69fb81.7543b.58ed@mx.google.com>

I have been bailed out so many times over the past 20 years with direct contact with Randall. Even when overseas with my cars and in need of a quick ?go to? knowing I would get a sound, complete and thorough response he was there. Expected nothing and totally giving. This man will be sorely missed by me for being a genuine and caring individual. Rest in peace my friend?..prayers are with your family?.

Alex Manzo

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Greg Donovan
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:29 PM
To: andrew uprichard
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young

I don?t know how many posts he made here, but since September 2012, Randall posted 8,744 times to TRE. That?s an average of over three each day.?

How many of those were clear, concise and spot on like his posts here? Thousands? How many had the perfect picture attached?

His knowledge and generosity in sharing it seemed boundless.?

You were truly amazing, Randall. Rest in peace.

?Greg

On Jul 23, 2020, at 18:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
?
Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
?
Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is?5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
?
Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
?
Andrew
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 17:38:11 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:38:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <512b7444-032d-dc7e-e52b-14942ff439fa@adelphia.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
 <512b7444-032d-dc7e-e52b-14942ff439fa@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaH5H9MYK+9OWyRaiTVavLfBT9y_biAyGm-d-mxFkS7qXQ@mail.gmail.com>

Randall will be very much missed by me. He would always give great advice
to me for my Stag and anything to do with Triumphs. I got to meet him and
his family about 5 or so years  back in Santa Cruz, CA.  He came up this
way to buy a tire alignment thing from some guy who was a Fiat dealer at
some point.
Rest in Peace Randall and if there is another life up there, may they be
blessed with your presence.
Sujit

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:25 PM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> I never met Randall but felt as if I did. So much knowledge. Was there any
> topic or question that he did not have an answer?
>
> And to go so young. He will be missed by all on this list for sure.
>
> Rest in peace.
>
> Bob
>
> PS. if there is a link to an obituary please post a link. Thanks
> On 7/23/20 6:30 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:
>
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
> was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303
> 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jul 23 18:13:59 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 00:13:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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 Oh, man!? That is just terrible.? Shot down in his prime.? And he was just setting up his man-cave in the Rolla area, the family homestead.? I so enjoyed the intellectual challenges he gave me.? His depth of knowledge and detail was remarkable.? I will miss him.
 
Dave 

 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net; '6-Pack' <membership at 6-pack.org>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2020 5:30 pm
Subject: [TR] Randall Young

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Jul 23 18:15:08 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:15:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
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What terrible news! He and I exchanged a number of e-mails and pictures,
always about farm tractors and related equipment. I can't think of how many
questions he answered over the years with concise information and excellent
pictures. It will be hard to imagine that we will not see his posts down the
road. Such a loss!

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew
uprichard
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:31 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; '6-Pack'
Subject: [TR] Randall Young

 

I just got a call from Randall's wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
was only 64.  Very sad indeed.

 

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE
as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to
other sites where he was active.

 

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe,
but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who
want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her
address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.

 

Rest in peace, Randall - we will miss you.

 

Andrew

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Jul 23 18:22:25 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:22:25 -0500
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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There a giant hole on the Triumph community tonight.  I never had the pleasure of meeting in person, just the benefit of his wisdom.  We exchanged numerous off-line emails when the list was blocking his replies that were always spot on. 

Bill Beecher
TS30800L

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 23, 2020, at 5:30 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
 
Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
 
Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
 
Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
 
Andrew
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From tbe749 at aol.com  Thu Jul 23 18:29:10 2020
From: tbe749 at aol.com (Thomas Beaver)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 00:29:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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 Very sad news. 

Think we met Randall at VTR and maybe TRF.one year.
Several of us locals went to his fathers home I think in Frankfort, IN years ago. They had
Triumphs, etc. sitting about. I saw his dad at our annual Indy Brit car show occasionally. 
Pretty quiet person I thought.

Thanks for letting us know Andrew. 

Tom
 
 
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Subject: [TR] Randall Young

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 19:06:01 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:06:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
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How awful.  What a gentleman. He helped so many with his TR advice, myself included.  What a servants heart.  I shall hoist one proper scorch in his honor tonight.
Rest In Peace oh great one.
Jim Henningsen

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 6:31 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>  
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>  
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>  
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>  
> Andrew
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From larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 19:14:51 2020
From: larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com (Larry Griffin)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:14:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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Extremely sad news. Randall was such a positive force in the Triumph world.
Thoughts and prayers for his wife, family, and countless friends.

Rest in peace, our friend. You will be greatly missed.

Larry Griffin


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:31 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
> was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303
> 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Thu Jul 23 19:19:11 2020
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:19:11 +0000
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <CAONC1_4zyEVoSOV-WDP8aubEYEc3ZMa-JEPXV+qZDST2FS+xPw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>,
 <CAONC1_4zyEVoSOV-WDP8aubEYEc3ZMa-JEPXV+qZDST2FS+xPw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <B1EED97D-596E-4669-A378-3A1088A8D3AF@stevethorntonlaw.com>

As our population of TR enthusiasts ages, we should expect this to happen more frequently. However, 64 seems unfair for a guy who contributed so much to so many, without exception.

Godspeed Randall.

Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630


On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:15 PM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Extremely sad news. Randall was such a positive force in the Triumph world. Thoughts and prayers for his wife, family, and countless friends.

Rest in peace, our friend. You will be greatly missed.

Larry Griffin


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:31 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.

Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.

Andrew
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From jbmills at roadrunner.com  Thu Jul 23 19:21:08 2020
From: jbmills at roadrunner.com (James B Mills)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:21:08 -0700
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
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I am so sorry to hear this.  My condolences to his wife.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:31 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>  
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>  
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>  
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>  
> Andrew
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Thu Jul 23 19:28:33 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:28:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>

There's a placeholder for Randall's obituary online:
https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
> was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303
> 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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>
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From Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu  Thu Jul 23 20:39:09 2020
From: Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu (Reihing, Randall S.)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 02:39:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL]  Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <BL0PR01MB47392583E8EF6B86CF04A711EC770@BL0PR01MB4739.prod.exchangelabs.com>

The passing of Randall Young is a real shock and a very sad, very tragic, loss of a truly good man who gave so much of his knowledge so freely to so many. A true one-of-a-kind that cannot be replaced. I will miss his knowledge and insight on all things Triumph all the rest of my days.

May Randall rest in peace and our prayers to Mei and all of Randall's extended family.

May God comfort and guide Randall's family in this time and in the days and months to come.

Randall Reihing


________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:30 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>; '6-Pack' <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TR] Randall Young


I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.



Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.



Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.



Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.



Andrew
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From L1j1s at aol.com  Fri Jul 24 03:46:25 2020
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:46:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <9FA1D433-A769-4FF9-8CE6-A9628CEFC86E@aol.com>

Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.   Lawrence Schwartz 
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There's a placeholder for Randall's obituary online:
> https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 24 06:46:45 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:46:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
 <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <749ff1ef-a576-b797-a452-359b0969c5cc@adelphia.net>

Don,

Thanks for posting this link.

We will sure miss Randall.

Bob

On 7/23/20 9:28 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> There's a placeholder for Randall's obituary online:
> https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard 
> <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
>
>     I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days
>     ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>     Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a
>     note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should
>     feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>
>     Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri,
>     I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She
>     said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell
>     phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue,
>     Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>     Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>     Andrew
>
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 24 08:42:25 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:42:25 -0600
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <9FA1D433-A769-4FF9-8CE6-A9628CEFC86E@aol.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <6ed5df3c-ba7d-fb23-1ae2-378093af183d@bradakis.com>

On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years 
> ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. 
> Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP. ? Lawrence 
> Schwartz 


So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?? I had an idea 
for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.

http://autox.team.net/memory.html

mjb.



From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Jul 24 08:53:51 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:53:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <6ed5df3c-ba7d-fb23-1ae2-378093af183d@bradakis.com>
References: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <f39db976-441c-4e51-0b6c-5944e4ce1fac@adelphia.net>

Mark,

Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first 
heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow 
was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor 
application to merge the two.

Good luck and thanks.

Bob

On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
>> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years 
>> ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. 
>> Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP. ? Lawrence 
>> Schwartz 
>
>
> So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?? I had an 
> idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
>
> http://autox.team.net/memory.html
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Fri Jul 24 09:26:18 2020
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Tom Fansher)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:26:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <f39db976-441c-4e51-0b6c-5944e4ce1fac@adelphia.net>
References: <f39db976-441c-4e51-0b6c-5944e4ce1fac@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <25F13A2E-F7B8-450A-9BA1-31BE7770D195@comcast.net>

Just back from a hour and a half Stag ride in memory of Randall. Fred Thomas also introduces him to me at a VTR years ago. Wonderful memories of great guys. 
Tom Fansher

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mark,
> 
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor application to merge the two.
> 
> Good luck and thanks.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>>> On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
>>> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.   Lawrence Schwartz 
>> 
>> 
>> So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?  I had an idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
>> 
>> http://autox.team.net/memory.html
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
>> 
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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 09:39:17 2020
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:39:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <f39db976-441c-4e51-0b6c-5944e4ce1fac@adelphia.net>
References: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
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I was a fly on the wall with this group, but, over and over Randall?s wise
council       Made Me think that one day I might restore MY TR3.  Now I
dunno. He will always be a triumph legend! He?s looking down on us,
godspeed!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:54 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first
> heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow
> was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor
> application to merge the two.
>
> Good luck and thanks.
>
> Bob
>
> On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> > On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
> >> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years
> >> ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen.
> >> Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.   Lawrence
> >> Schwartz
> >
> >
> > So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?  I had an
> > idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
> >
> > http://autox.team.net/memory.html
> >
> > mjb.
> >
> >
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From trmarty at hotmail.com  Fri Jul 24 09:44:59 2020
From: trmarty at hotmail.com (marty sukey)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:44:59 +0000
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <25F13A2E-F7B8-450A-9BA1-31BE7770D195@comcast.net>
References: <f39db976-441c-4e51-0b6c-5944e4ce1fac@adelphia.net>,
 <25F13A2E-F7B8-450A-9BA1-31BE7770D195@comcast.net>
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Small world.  It was also Fred who introduced me to Randall. Sad days...

Marty



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net>
Date: 7/24/20 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young

Just back from a hour and a half Stag ride in memory of Randall. Fred Thomas also introduces him to me at a VTR years ago. Wonderful memories of great guys.
Tom Fansher

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> ?Mark,
>
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor application to merge the two.
>
> Good luck and thanks.
>
> Bob
>
>> On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>>> On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
>>> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.   Lawrence Schwartz
>>
>>
>> So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?  I had an idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
>>
>> https://eur06.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fautox.team.net%2Fmemory.html&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Cf6c6299431124db458eb08d82fe5ffdd%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637312012166668145&amp;sdata=rjleZ2L%2BMEbKk9frTXthVwsPdGJLec135ySitPXjg4s%3D&amp;reserved=0
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 10:00:15 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:00:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <f39db976-441c-4e51-0b6c-5944e4ce1fac@adelphia.net>
References: <CAPK7CFDBKdvPakj2fPoiVd2gdUA6rvNEkjGoJFCPCOx0mUbEcA@mail.gmail.com>
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:54 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

Mark,
>
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first
> heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow
> was Fred.
>

Possibly me. I have a few photos of Randall if they are of any use.

Geo
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Fri Jul 24 11:16:00 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:16:00 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <286676476.130103.1595610961256@connect.xfinity.com>

I have been reading with sadness all the testimonies regarding our friend Randall, wondering whatever is it I could say that the eloquence of others has not already touched.  I have nothing.

But I am struck by this thought.  We are all of us given one life, with no second chances to get it right.  If we were the last man alive, our responsibility might be simply self-indulgent anarchy. But most of us choose to be a member of a community, and that comes with it an ominous, at times terrifying, responsibility.  Randall chose to accept that responsibility, steadfastly committed as a loyal friend, a loyal husband, a loyal member to his family, a loyal American, and, as I recall, one concerned about the broader issues of the world we live in.  I don't think I exaggerate when I deem that he was the enshrinement of what it meant to be the leader and spokesman for his community.  When he spoke, people listened, and were better for it.  You knew he cared, not just about the technical problem in front of him, but about you, the person presenting that problem.  If it's possible to leave life without regret, I only hope I can be half so successful as I gauge him to be.

We have seen an outpouring of grief and loss by his friends here.  I am certain we are but a small part of the loss those closer to him feel. I join you all in wishing his family well.   

Terry

>     On 07/23/2020 6:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>     I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
> 
>      
> 
>     Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
> 
>      
> 
>     Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
> 
>      
> 
>     Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
> 
>      
> 
>     Andrew
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jul 24 11:42:36 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:42:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] Sigh.
Message-ID: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>


Normally I don't need to reach for a box of tissues when doing a simple 
Unix command line task:

[root at autox bin]#
[root at autox bin]# ./remove_members --fromall -n tr3driver at ca.rr.com
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: the-local.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: shop-talk.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: triumphs.


Thank you Randall Young for all you did for the lists, your steadfast 
support of Team Net and the Triumph community over the years.? You will 
be missed.

mjb.



From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 11:50:03 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:50:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sigh.
In-Reply-To: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
References: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 12:42 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

>
>
> "User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot."
>

"fot" friends of triumph-and all of us, pretty well sums it up.

Greg

>
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Fri Jul 24 12:06:49 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:06:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] Sigh.
In-Reply-To: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
References: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
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A sad, sad day. 

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 12:43, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Normally I don't need to reach for a box of tissues when doing a simple Unix command line task:
> 
> [root at autox bin]#
> [root at autox bin]# ./remove_members --fromall -n tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot.
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> 
> 
> Thank you Randall Young for all you did for the lists, your steadfast support of Team Net and the Triumph community over the years.  You will be missed.
> 
> mjb.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 12:08:46 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 14:08:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] Sigh.
In-Reply-To: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
References: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
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Very sad indeed
Jim Henningsen 

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 1:43 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Normally I don't need to reach for a box of tissues when doing a simple Unix command line task:
> 
> [root at autox bin]#
> [root at autox bin]# ./remove_members --fromall -n tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot.
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: the-local.
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: shop-talk.
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: triumphs.
> 
> 
> Thank you Randall Young for all you did for the lists, your steadfast support of Team Net and the Triumph community over the years.  You will be missed.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From tr4abrad at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 12:12:15 2020
From: tr4abrad at gmail.com (Brad Eells)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:12:15 -0700
Subject: [TR] [Fot] Sigh.
In-Reply-To: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
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Mark and all,

I marveled for years at Randall?s knowledge of our beloved Triumphs. 

I may have met him at a singular SoCal club meeting in the mid-nineties but didn?t really connect with him until my Spitfire racer came up for sale in late 2017. He was there with Kas and I. He documented the day with his camera and sent me an image set I now cherish.

Thank you and RIP Randall.


Brad Eells
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 10:43 AM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Normally I don't need to reach for a box of tissues when doing a simple Unix command line task:
> 
> [root at autox bin]#
> [root at autox bin]# ./remove_members --fromall -n tr3driver at ca.rr.com
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot.
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: the-local.
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: shop-talk.
> User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: triumphs.
> 
> 
> Thank you Randall Young for all you did for the lists, your steadfast support of Team Net and the Triumph community over the years.  You will be missed.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Jul 24 12:31:25 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:31:25 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <286676476.130103.1595610961256@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
 <286676476.130103.1595610961256@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <95318863.4743509.1595615485611@mail.yahoo.com>

  Now I know why you are a professional writer and I am not.
Well said.
  
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>; triumphs at autox.team.net; 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Sent: Fri, Jul 24, 2020 12:16 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young

  I have been reading with sadness all the testimonies regarding our friend Randall, wondering whatever is it I could say that the eloquence of others has not already touched.? I have nothing. 
   
   But I am struck by this thought.? We are all of us given one life, with no second chances to get it right.? If we were the last man alive, our responsibility might be simply self-indulgent anarchy. But most of us choose to be a member of a community, and that comes with it an ominous, at times terrifying, responsibility.? Randall chose to accept that responsibility, steadfastly committed as a loyal friend, a loyal husband, a loyal member to his family, a loyal American, and, as I recall, one concerned about the broader issues of the world we live in.? I don't think I exaggerate when I deem that he was the enshrinement of what it meant to be the leader and spokesman for his community.? When he spoke, people listened, and were better for it.? You knew he cared, not just about the technical problem in front of him, but about you, the person presenting that problem.? If it's possible to leave life without regret, I only hope I can be half so successful as I gauge him to be.   
   We have seen an outpouring of grief and loss by his friends here.? I am certain we are but a small part of the loss those closer to him feel. I join you all in wishing his family well.? ?   
   Terry  
  On 07/23/2020 6:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:   
   
   I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed. ? Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active. ? Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605. ? Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you. ? Andrew ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** 
 
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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 24 13:16:38 2020
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 19:16:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
References: <2043038562.4768733.1595618198867.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2043038562.4768733.1595618198867@mail.yahoo.com>

Says a? lot about a man who made such positive impressions on so many people, many he'd never even met.
We'll miss you, Randall.
Thanks for your wisdom.
Ann60 TR365 Daimler V8 2.5 L12 Jag XF
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Fri Jul 24 13:37:17 2020
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:37:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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He was a true and trusted friend.

When I first met him, I wasn't sure I liked him. I thought he was a
know-it-all.  Then I realized he actually pretty much knew it all. I will
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Fri Jul 24 14:05:34 2020
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:05:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <CANhzkeNE84ks5WVgQJ_4UcdhsiN66_A9M16uwAsYmnYCRWCfNw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
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Message-ID: <00ba01d661f5$cad50c10$607f2430$@net>

Nothing made me feel better than having Randal respond to one of my cockamamie suggestions with ?that sounds like a good idea?. The Triumph world will never be the same.

Bob 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Chris Simo
Sent: Friday, July 24, 2020 12:37 PM
To: list Triumph
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young

 

He was a true and trusted friend.

 

When I first met him, I wasn't sure I liked him. I thought he was a know-it-all.  Then I realized he actually pretty much knew it all. I will miss him.

 

 

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Jul 24 14:07:38 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:07:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sigh.
In-Reply-To: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
References: <ba2bcb99-110e-dcce-9e06-bd6be6a15d05@bradakis.com>
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So true Mark, I used to fuss about Randall?s email address causing me problems, now I am so sad to see it gone.  
Bill B


#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 24, 2020, at 12:42 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

?
Normally I don't need to reach for a box of tissues when doing a simple Unix command line task:

[root at autox bin]#
[root at autox bin]# ./remove_members --fromall -n tr3driver at ca.rr.com
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: the-local.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: shop-talk.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: triumphs.


Thank you Randall Young for all you did for the lists, your steadfast support of Team Net and the Triumph community over the years.  You will be missed.

mjb.


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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Fri Jul 24 14:58:50 2020
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 20:58:50 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 193
In-Reply-To: <mailman.9.1595613602.12952.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.9.1595613602.12952.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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I spoke to Randall in regards to Ken Gillender who was a Brit Triumph rebuilder who sold performance partsin regards to a camshaft. He had a real love for the cars and was a joy to speak to. We corresponded numerous times after and he always had the best idea. He was the guy to go to when you couldn't get a good answer. I was very lucky to have known him. Rest in peace my friend, Joe Mato 

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? 1. Randall Young (andrew uprichard)
? 2. Re: Randall Young (Michael Marr)
? 3. Re: Randall Young (John Macartney)
? 4. Re: Randall Young (Greg Lemon)
? 5. Re: Randall Young (Geo Hahn)
? 6. Re: Randall Young (Don Hiscock)
? 7. Re: Randall Young (Bob)
? 8. Re: Randall Young (Greg Donovan)
? 9. Re: Randall Young (Frank Fisher)
? 10. Re: Randall Young (Italyfound)
? 11. Re: Randall Young (Sujit Roy)
? 12. Re: Randall Young (DAVID MASSEY)
? 13. Re: Randall Young (Alex & Janet Thomson)
? 14. Re: Randall Young (bill beecher)
? 15. Re: Randall Young (Thomas Beaver)
? 16. Re: Randall Young (Jim Henningsen)
? 17. Re: Randall Young (Larry Griffin)
? 18. Re: Randall Young (Steve Thornton)
? 19. Re: Randall Young (James B Mills)
? 20. Re: Randall Young (Don Hiscock)
? 21. Re: [EXTERNAL]? Randall Young (Reihing, Randall S.)
? 22. Re: Randall Young (Lawarence Schwartz)
? 23. Re: Randall Young (Bob)
? 24. Re: Randall Young (Mark J Bradakis)
? 25. Re: Randall Young (Bob)
? 26. Re: Randall Young (Tom Fansher)
? 27. Re: Randall Young (Paul Dorsey)
? 28. Re: Randall Young (marty sukey)
? 29. Re: Randall Young (Geo Hahn)
? 30. Re: Randall Young (TERRY SMITH)
? 31. Sigh. (Mark J Bradakis)
? 32. Re: Sigh. (Greg Lemon)


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Message: 1
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:30:31 -0400
From: "andrew uprichard" <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>,??? "'6-Pack'" <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

I just got a call from Randall's wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
was only 64.? Very sad indeed.

 

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE
as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to
other sites where he was active.

 

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe,
but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who
want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her
address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.

 

Rest in peace, Randall - we will miss you.

 

Andrew

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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 22:43:34 +0000
From: Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, 6-Pack
??? <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID: <DFF6AFFE-AF1E-476D-B323-1D3FB4FA4F4A at albiontechnical.com>
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Oh no!? This is awful news.? What can we do for Mei, as a group?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

On Jul 23, 2020, at 17:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.

Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.

Andrew
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:45:59 +0100
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID: <D3213575-013C-4B00-8988-5D0DD293B0AF at Ukpips.org.uk>
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This is sad news indeed. I never met Randall as we live many thousands of miles apart but over the years he greatly impressed me with his knowledge and his technical fixes. This list has lost a colossal information resource, friend, and general Mr Fixitall. I?m sure our thoughts and prayers are with his wife and family at this very sad time.

Jonmac

At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:
Lord Uxbridge:? ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?
Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!?


> On 23 Jul 2020, at 23:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>? 
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>? 
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>? 
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>? 
> Andrew
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Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 17:53:37 -0500
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Very sad to hear--he will be greatly missed

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020, 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
> was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303
> 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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Message: 5
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 15:54:39 -0700
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Terrible news indeed.? Randall was one of the first list members I met in
person - 18 years ago as I recall.? He will be sorely missed.

Like myself, Randall was from Indiana though perhaps there was a Missouri
connection too.

He was a very generous individual: creative, knowledgeable and direct.

Geo

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 3:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
> was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303
> 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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Message: 6
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:07:52 -0500
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Aw, I'm so sorry to hear that!? Rest in peace, Randall.? May all your
crankshafts be in one piece from now on...

Randall's people and his shop are about 100 miles southwest of Saint Louis,
Missouri, near Rolla.

Don
Saint Louis MO
1962 TR3B

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
> was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303
> 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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Message: 7
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:25:21 -0400
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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I never met Randall but felt as if I did. So much knowledge. Was there 
any topic or question that he did not have an answer?

And to go so young. He will be missed by all on this list for sure.

Rest in peace.

Bob

PS. if there is a link to an obituary please post a link. Thanks

On 7/23/20 6:30 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:
>
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? 
> He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note 
> on TRE as well as this email. Anyone who knew Randall should feel free 
> to post to other sites where he was active.
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I 
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any 
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? 
> (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 
> 90712-1605.
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
> Andrew
>
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Message: 8
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:29:09 -0400
From: Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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I don?t know how many posts he made here, but since September 2012, Randall posted 8,744 times to TRE. That?s an average of over three each day. 

How many of those were clear, concise and spot on like his posts here? Thousands? How many had the perfect picture attached?

His knowledge and generosity in sharing it seemed boundless. 

You were truly amazing, Randall. Rest in peace.

?Greg

On Jul 23, 2020, at 18:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
 
Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
 
Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
 
Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
 
Andrew
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Message: 9
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 23:31:16 +0000 (UTC)
From: Frank Fisher <yellowtr3 at yahoo.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net, '6-Pack' <membership at 6-pack.org>,? andrew
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 im stunnedRandall was the best.im proud to say i knew him and he was friend.we were both members of the 3 los angeles triumph clubs.i have the left front fender from his wrecked TR3 on my car.
a fond memory might be worth telling, to hold back my tears.the first los angeles triumph club i attended was a dismal night.it was raining like a new york rain.in the parking lot was a green TR3 with a rag top. it was a rag. no back windows.when i asked whos it was i was pointed to Randall.he had that wry smile as i questioned him on being out on a night like this so unprepared with his top.a guy who i never saw drive anything but a triumph
gosh im so distressed



? ? On Thursday, July 23, 2020, 03:30:57 PM PDT, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:? 
 
 
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.

 ?

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.

 ?

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.

 ?

Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.

 ?

Andrew
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Message: 10
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:33:48 -0400
From: Italyfound <italyfound at gmail.com>
To: *Triumphs List <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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I have been bailed out so many times over the past 20 years with direct contact with Randall. Even when overseas with my cars and in need of a quick ?go to? knowing I would get a sound, complete and thorough response he was there. Expected nothing and totally giving. This man will be sorely missed by me for being a genuine and caring individual. Rest in peace my friend?..prayers are with your family?.

Alex Manzo

Sent from Mail for Windows 10

From: Greg Donovan
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 7:29 PM
To: andrew uprichard
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young

I don?t know how many posts he made here, but since September 2012, Randall posted 8,744 times to TRE. That?s an average of over three each day.?

How many of those were clear, concise and spot on like his posts here? Thousands? How many had the perfect picture attached?

His knowledge and generosity in sharing it seemed boundless.?

You were truly amazing, Randall. Rest in peace.

?Greg

On Jul 23, 2020, at 18:30, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
?
Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
?
Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is?5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
?
Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
?
Andrew
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Message: 11
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 16:38:11 -0700
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Randall will be very much missed by me. He would always give great advice
to me for my Stag and anything to do with Triumphs. I got to meet him and
his family about 5 or so years? back in Santa Cruz, CA.? He came up this
way to buy a tire alignment thing from some guy who was a Fiat dealer at
some point.
Rest in Peace Randall and if there is another life up there, may they be
blessed with your presence.
Sujit

On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 4:25 PM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> I never met Randall but felt as if I did. So much knowledge. Was there any
> topic or question that he did not have an answer?
>
> And to go so young. He will be missed by all on this list for sure.
>
> Rest in peace.
>
> Bob
>
> PS. if there is a link to an obituary please post a link. Thanks
> On 7/23/20 6:30 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:
>
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
> was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303
> 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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-- 
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Message: 12
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 00:13:59 +0000 (UTC)
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: "auprichard at uprichard.net" <auprichard at uprichard.net>,
??? "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>,
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 Oh, man!? That is just terrible.? Shot down in his prime.? And he was just setting up his man-cave in the Rolla area, the family homestead.? I so enjoyed the intellectual challenges he gave me.? His depth of knowledge and detail was remarkable.? I will miss him.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2020 5:30 pm
Subject: [TR] Randall Young

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Message: 13
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:15:08 -0400
From: "Alex & Janet Thomson" <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: "'andrew uprichard'" <auprichard at uprichard.net>,
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What terrible news! He and I exchanged a number of e-mails and pictures,
always about farm tractors and related equipment. I can't think of how many
questions he answered over the years with concise information and excellent
pictures. It will be hard to imagine that we will not see his posts down the
road. Such a loss!

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew
uprichard
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:31 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; '6-Pack'
Subject: [TR] Randall Young

 

I just got a call from Randall's wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
was only 64.? Very sad indeed.

 

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE
as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to
other sites where he was active.

 

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe,
but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who
want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her
address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.

 

Rest in peace, Randall - we will miss you.

 

Andrew

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Message: 14
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 19:22:25 -0500
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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There a giant hole on the Triumph community tonight.? I never had the pleasure of meeting in person, just the benefit of his wisdom.? We exchanged numerous off-line emails when the list was blocking his replies that were always spot on. 

Bill Beecher
TS30800L

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 23, 2020, at 5:30 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
 
Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
 
Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
 
Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
 
Andrew
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Message: 15
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 00:29:10 +0000 (UTC)
From: Thomas Beaver <tbe749 at aol.com>
To: "auprichard at uprichard.net" <auprichard at uprichard.net>,
??? "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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 Very sad news. 

Think we met Randall at VTR and maybe TRF.one year.
Several of us locals went to his fathers home I think in Frankfort, IN years ago. They had
Triumphs, etc. sitting about. I saw his dad at our annual Indy Brit car show occasionally. 
Pretty quiet person I thought.

Thanks for letting us know Andrew. 

Tom
 
 
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To: triumphs at autox.team.net; '6-Pack' <membership at 6-pack.org>
Sent: Thu, Jul 23, 2020 6:30 pm
Subject: [TR] Randall Young

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 e said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605. ?Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you. ?Andrew** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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Message: 16
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:06:01 -0400
From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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How awful.? What a gentleman. He helped so many with his TR advice, myself included.? What a servants heart.? I shall hoist one proper scorch in his honor tonight.
Rest In Peace oh great one.
Jim Henningsen

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 6:31 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>? 
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>? 
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>? 
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>? 
> Andrew
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Message: 17
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 21:14:51 -0400
From: Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Extremely sad news. Randall was such a positive force in the Triumph world.
Thoughts and prayers for his wife, family, and countless friends.

Rest in peace, our friend. You will be greatly missed.

Larry Griffin


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:31 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
> was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303
> 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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Message: 18
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 01:19:11 +0000
From: Steve Thornton <sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com>
To: Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com>
Cc: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>,
??? "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, 6-Pack
??? <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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As our population of TR enthusiasts ages, we should expect this to happen more frequently. However, 64 seems unfair for a guy who contributed so much to so many, without exception.

Godspeed Randall.

Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630


On Jul 23, 2020, at 8:15 PM, Larry Griffin <larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Extremely sad news. Randall was such a positive force in the Triumph world. Thoughts and prayers for his wife, family, and countless friends.

Rest in peace, our friend. You will be greatly missed.

Larry Griffin


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 6:31 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.

Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.

Andrew
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Message: 19
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 18:21:08 -0700
From: James B Mills <jbmills at roadrunner.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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I am so sorry to hear this.? My condolences to his wife.

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 3:31 PM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>? 
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>? 
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>? 
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>? 
> Andrew
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Message: 20
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2020 20:28:33 -0500
From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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There's a placeholder for Randall's obituary online:
https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young


On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
wrote:

> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He
> was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
> TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to
> post to other sites where he was active.
>
>
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
> believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any
> friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303
> 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>
>
> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>
>
> Andrew
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Message: 21
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 02:39:09 +0000
From: "Reihing, Randall S." <Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>,
??? "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, '6-Pack'
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Subject: Re: [TR] [EXTERNAL]? Randall Young
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The passing of Randall Young is a real shock and a very sad, very tragic, loss of a truly good man who gave so much of his knowledge so freely to so many. A true one-of-a-kind that cannot be replaced. I will miss his knowledge and insight on all things Triumph all the rest of my days.

May Randall rest in peace and our prayers to Mei and all of Randall's extended family.

May God comfort and guide Randall's family in this time and in the days and months to come.

Randall Reihing


________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 6:30 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>; '6-Pack' <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: [EXTERNAL] [TR] Randall Young


I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.



Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.



Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.



Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.



Andrew
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Message: 22
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 05:46:25 -0400
From: Lawarence Schwartz <L1j1s at aol.com>
To: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Cc: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>,
??? Triumphs at autox.team.net, 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.? Lawrence Schwartz 
 
Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 23, 2020, at 9:29 PM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There's a placeholder for Randall's obituary online:
> https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young
> 
> 
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>> I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>> 
>>? 
>> 
>> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>> 
>>? 
>> 
>> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>> 
>>? 
>> 
>> Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>> 
>>? 
>> 
>> Andrew
>> 
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Message: 23
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:46:45 -0400
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Don,

Thanks for posting this link.

We will sure miss Randall.

Bob

On 7/23/20 9:28 PM, Don Hiscock wrote:
> There's a placeholder for Randall's obituary online:
> https://www.birminghammartinfuneralhomes.com/obituary/randall-young
>
>
> On Thu, Jul 23, 2020 at 5:30 PM andrew uprichard 
> <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
>
>? ? I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days
>? ? ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
>
>? ? Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a
>? ? note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should
>? ? feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
>
>? ? Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri,
>? ? I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She
>? ? said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell
>? ? phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue,
>? ? Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
>
>? ? Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
>
>? ? Andrew
>
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Message: 24
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 08:42:25 -0600
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years 
> ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. 
> Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP. ? Lawrence 
> Schwartz 


So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?? I had an idea 
for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.

http://autox.team.net/memory.html

mjb.




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Message: 25
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 10:53:51 -0400
From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID: <f39db976-441c-4e51-0b6c-5944e4ce1fac at adelphia.net>
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Mark,

Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first 
heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow 
was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor 
application to merge the two.

Good luck and thanks.

Bob

On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
>> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years 
>> ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. 
>> Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP. ? Lawrence 
>> Schwartz 
>
>
> So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?? I had an 
> idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
>
> http://autox.team.net/memory.html
>
> mjb.
>
>
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Message: 26
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:26:18 -0400
From: Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID: <25F13A2E-F7B8-450A-9BA1-31BE7770D195 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset=utf-8

Just back from a hour and a half Stag ride in memory of Randall. Fred Thomas also introduces him to me at a VTR years ago. Wonderful memories of great guys. 
Tom Fansher

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Mark,
> 
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor application to merge the two.
> 
> Good luck and thanks.
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>>> On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
>>> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.? Lawrence Schwartz 
>> 
>> 
>> So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?? I had an idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
>> 
>> http://autox.team.net/memory.html
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
>> 
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Message: 27
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:39:17 -0400
From: Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID:
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Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

I was a fly on the wall with this group, but, over and over Randall?s wise
council? ? ? Made Me think that one day I might restore MY TR3.? Now I
dunno. He will always be a triumph legend! He?s looking down on us,
godspeed!

On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 10:54 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

> Mark,
>
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first
> heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow
> was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor
> application to merge the two.
>
> Good luck and thanks.
>
> Bob
>
> On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
> > On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
> >> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years
> >> ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen.
> >> Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.? Lawrence
> >> Schwartz
> >
> >
> > So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?? I had an
> > idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
> >
> > http://autox.team.net/memory.html
> >
> > mjb.
> >
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Message: 28
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:44:59 +0000
From: marty sukey <trmarty at hotmail.com>
To: Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net>, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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Small world.? It was also Fred who introduced me to Randall. Sad days...

Marty



Sent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone


-------- Original message --------
From: Tom Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net>
Date: 7/24/20 11:26 AM (GMT-05:00)
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young

Just back from a hour and a half Stag ride in memory of Randall. Fred Thomas also introduces him to me at a VTR years ago. Wonderful memories of great guys.
Tom Fansher

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 24, 2020, at 10:54 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
>
> ?Mark,
>
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow was Fred. Maybe if you get photos of both you can use a photo editor application to merge the two.
>
> Good luck and thanks.
>
> Bob
>
>> On 7/24/20 10:42 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote:
>>> On 7/24/20 3:46 AM, Lawarence Schwartz wrote:
>>> Hello, Such sad news indeed. I was introduced to Randall many years ago by the late ?FT? Fred Thomas . Such two true blue fine gentlemen. Randall, there is a special place for you in heaven, RIP.? Lawrence Schwartz
>>
>>
>> So does anyone have a photo of Fred and Randall together?? I had an idea for a project some years ago, and maybe I should get to work on it.
>>
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Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 09:00:15 -0700
From: Geo Hahn <ahwahneetr at gmail.com>
To: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020 at 7:54 AM Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

Mark,
>
> Someone on the list posted a photo a few months ago when we all first
> heard about Randall's hospitalization. I don't think the other fellow
> was Fred.
>

Possibly me. I have a few photos of Randall if they are of any use.

Geo
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Message: 30
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 13:16:00 -0400 (EDT)
From: TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net>
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>,
??? triumphs at autox.team.net, 6-Pack <membership at 6-pack.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young
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I have been reading with sadness all the testimonies regarding our friend Randall, wondering whatever is it I could say that the eloquence of others has not already touched.? I have nothing.

But I am struck by this thought.? We are all of us given one life, with no second chances to get it right.? If we were the last man alive, our responsibility might be simply self-indulgent anarchy. But most of us choose to be a member of a community, and that comes with it an ominous, at times terrifying, responsibility.? Randall chose to accept that responsibility, steadfastly committed as a loyal friend, a loyal husband, a loyal member to his family, a loyal American, and, as I recall, one concerned about the broader issues of the world we live in.? I don't think I exaggerate when I deem that he was the enshrinement of what it meant to be the leader and spokesman for his community.? When he spoke, people listened, and were better for it.? You knew he cared, not just about the technical problem in front of him, but about you, the person presenting that problem.? If it's possible to leave life without regret, I only hope I can be half so successful as I gauge him to be.

We have seen an outpouring of grief and loss by his friends here.? I am certain we are but a small part of the loss those closer to him feel. I join you all in wishing his family well.? 

Terry

>? ? On 07/23/2020 6:30 PM andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> 
> 
>? ? I just got a call from Randall?s wife, Mei.? Randall died 2 days ago.? He was only 64.? Very sad indeed.
> 
>? ? ? 
> 
>? ? Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE as well as this email.? Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to other sites where he was active.
> 
>? ? ? 
> 
>? ? Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe, but she was very emotional and hard to follow).? She said any friends who want to know more should call her on her cell phone:? (562) 303 8007.? Her address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA? 90712-1605.
> 
>? ? ? 
> 
>? ? Rest in peace, Randall ? we will miss you.
> 
>? ? ? 
> 
>? ? Andrew
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Message: 31
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 11:42:36 -0600
From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>,
??? "fot at autox.team.net" <fot at autox.team.net>, "Shop-talk at autox.team.net"
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Subject: [TR] Sigh.
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Normally I don't need to reach for a box of tissues when doing a simple 
Unix command line task:

[root at autox bin]#
[root at autox bin]# ./remove_members --fromall -n tr3driver at ca.rr.com
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: the-local.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: shop-talk.
User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: triumphs.


Thank you Randall Young for all you did for the lists, your steadfast 
support of Team Net and the Triumph community over the years.? You will 
be missed.

mjb.




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Message: 32
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 12:50:03 -0500
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, FOT <fot at autox.team.net>,
??? "Shop-talk at autox.team.net" <shop-talk at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Sigh.
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On Fri, Jul 24, 2020, 12:42 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

>
>
> "User `tr3driver at ca.rr.com' removed from list: fot."
>

"fot" friends of triumph-and all of us, pretty well sums it up.

Greg

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Fri Jul 24 16:09:15 2020
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 18:09:15 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
Message-ID: <ce1bf86866583aeb9c2fbd859e6d0c59@mail.gmail.com>

Like so many of us, I never met Randall but I felt as if he was an old
friend. I certainly benefited from his knowledge about all things Triumph,
and from his generosity in sharing that knowledge.

The Triumph community is much smaller without Randall's presence. I'll
miss him.

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A
s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

>From: "andrew uprichard" <auprichard at uprichard.net>
>To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>,	"'6-Pack'" <membership at 6-pack.org>
>Subject: [TR] Randall Young
>
>I just got a call from Randall's wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
>was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
>Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on
TRE
>as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post
to
>other sites where he was active.
>
>Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I
believe,
>but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who
>want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.
Her
>address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
 >Rest in peace, Randall - we will miss you.
>
>Andrew

From lee at automate-it.com  Fri Jul 24 16:14:04 2020
From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 17:14:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <7f441e30ef43a08fb40608e52904c9da.squirrel@automate-it.com>

Randall's collection of online documents is legendary, and he shared them
without hesitation. All of this Triumph documentation is on his shared Google
Drive, and I check it regularly for updates. I just checked, and the last
couple of updates were in April. There are 169 files stored there, mostly
scans and copies of official Triumph documentation. A great resource for all
things Triumph, from "T-62-10 Herald Rack & Pinion Plunger retainer
replacement" to "Stag Soft Top Operation".

I've attached a screen shot showing the last updates in March and April of
this year. The last one is "Dan Masters TR6 conversion to Delco alternator",
updated on April 26.

Some of the pdfs (I just checked the updated TR3 Spare Parts Catalogue that he
updated on April 20) have highlighted or commented sections added by him (and
apparently others).

Thanks for the ride, Randall, and keep the top down on in this next life!

 - Lee


On Thu, July 23, 2020 17:30, andrew uprichard wrote:
> I just got a call from Randall's wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
> was only 64.  Very sad indeed.
>
> Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE
> as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to
> other sites where he was active.
>
> Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe,
> but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who want
> to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her address
> is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.
>
> Rest in peace, Randall - we will miss you.
>
> Andrew
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From controls at freelanceconsulting.net  Fri Jul 24 15:42:29 2020
From: controls at freelanceconsulting.net (Glenn A. Merrell)
Date: Fri, 24 Jul 2020 15:42:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <00e701d66203$55eb0d60$01c12820$@freelanceconsulting.net>

I'm shocked to read of Randall's passing, certainly since he was younger
than me by a little.  I suspected something was going on a few months ago
when Randall uncharacteristically dropped off the various lists and forums
where he was on at least weekly.  I hope he was not a COVID-19 statistic.

 

I remember signing Randall up as a member of the Triumph Stag Register just
about 20 years ago.  One of his goals was a cross country drive in a
properly running Stag which he accomplished in 2005 for the NATC VTR2005 in
Rockford Illinois with his father.  He had spent a lot of time to work out
any issues with his Stag in time for the trip, and he got there the long way
making a large circle trip from California.  I am sure there are VTR2005
photos of he and his father and his Stag, I know they were in the panorama
photo, some of the driving events including TSD.

 

Randall was always more than helpful to get to the root failure and provide
some hard learned lessons what not to do and then how it might get resolved
for a longer lasting solution.

 

My sympathies go out to Mei.  We might all note that Randall had quite an
accumulation of Triumphs - running and in various other stages of repair,
including and parts and memorabilia that Mei will definitely need help
turning that collection into real cash in her hands.

 

Pedal to the metal Randall,  all your roads now are smooth, no potholes, as
many turns and straightaways as you wish, parts are gold standard,  you
never overheat, never lose your spares door lid key or run out of fuel or
get saddle sore!

 

In Sadness,

 

Glenn Merrell aka StagByTriumph

aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)

Remember, "the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the
paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen . with the occasional smell of
manure!"

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew
uprichard
Sent: Thursday, July 23, 2020 4:31 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; '6-Pack'
Subject: [TR] Randall Young

 

I just got a call from Randall's wife, Mei.  Randall died 2 days ago.  He
was only 64.  Very sad indeed.

 

Mei asked me to let his Triumph friends know, so I have posted a note on TRE
as well as this email.  Anyone who knew Randall should feel free to post to
other sites where he was active.

 

Mei told me they are planning a funeral in the Midwest (Missouri, I believe,
but she was very emotional and hard to follow).  She said any friends who
want to know more should call her on her cell phone:  (562) 303 8007.  Her
address is 5754 Coke Avenue, Lakewood, CA  90712-1605.

 

Rest in peace, Randall - we will miss you.

 

Andrew

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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul 25 09:07:46 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 09:07:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <7f441e30ef43a08fb40608e52904c9da.squirrel@automate-it.com>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
 <7f441e30ef43a08fb40608e52904c9da.squirrel@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>

On 7/24/20 4:14 PM, Lee Daniels wrote:
> Randall's collection of online documents is legendary, and he shared them
> without hesitation. All of this Triumph documentation is on his shared Google
> Drive, and I check it regularly for updates. I just checked, and the last
> couple of updates were in April. There are 169 files stored there, mostly
> scans and copies of official Triumph documentation. A great resource for all
> things Triumph, from "T-62-10 Herald Rack & Pinion Plunger retainer
> replacement" to "Stag Soft Top Operation".


I wonder if that file collection is in danger of going away now that he 
has passed on.? Perhaps I should work on getting it alkl stashed on Team 
Net somewhere.

mjb.



From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 10:13:34 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:13:34 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>

Can someone please share the link to Randall?s files.  I?m out of town but would like to download as much as possible on my iPad.  Very sad and will put a note on the memorial link sent previously.  Reminds me when the great resource from the Illinois triumph owners passed away a number of years ago and he had great web links to rebuilding almost every component on a Tr6. 
Jim Henningsen 

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 11:08 AM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> ?On 7/24/20 4:14 PM, Lee Daniels wrote:
>> Randall's collection of online documents is legendary, and he shared them
>> without hesitation. All of this Triumph documentation is on his shared Google
>> Drive, and I check it regularly for updates. I just checked, and the last
>> couple of updates were in April. There are 169 files stored there, mostly
>> scans and copies of official Triumph documentation. A great resource for all
>> things Triumph, from "T-62-10 Herald Rack & Pinion Plunger retainer
>> replacement" to "Stag Soft Top Operation".
> 
> 
> I wonder if that file collection is in danger of going away now that he has passed on.  Perhaps I should work on getting it alkl stashed on Team Net somewhere.
> 
> mjb.
> 
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From dorpaul1 at gmail.com  Sat Jul 25 11:25:05 2020
From: dorpaul1 at gmail.com (Paul Dorsey)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 13:25:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?How_can_we_help_Mi=C3=A9_=3F?=
Message-ID: <CAFU8DPu5baXTsz+zic+rL6bupQ_stND+HiOK4AyqXhDjsR=taA@mail.gmail.com>

I never took him up on it, but, Randall offered to repair my steering wheel
for free. Was it he or  ?FT? who made the slip about ?fluif' ?   I?m sure A
lot of people have much better story?s then that one.

Perhaps my greatest claim to fame with this group is that I once corrected
Randall when he made an accidental mistake Once.  I doubt the guy ever made
many mistakes!

I Rode A couple of miles In a running  Triumph once in my life; this Is to
say, that I don?t know too much about the car. My history with this group
is as a fly on the wall.   I never got to meet Randall although I did shake
hands with Fred Thomas in Richmond!

Paul Dorsey 60 TR3
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sat Jul 25 12:03:42 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 12:03:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?How_can_we_help_Mi=C3=A9_=3F?=
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On 7/25/20 11:25 AM, Paul Dorsey wrote:
> I never took him up on it, but, Randall offered to repair my steering 
> wheel for free. Was it he or ??FT? who made the slip about ?fluif' ?


Actually 'fluif' was Joe Curry.

I certainly can't say for sure, but Randall was a meticulous kind of 
guy, and he might have explicitly named someone trustworthy and 
knowledgeable in his will to handle his cars and parts and such. I know 
I have, don't want to leave that burden to my wife if such an event came 
about in my life.? I've seen a few cartoons with varying interpretations 
of the theme "I'm afraid that if I die my wife will sell all my cars and 
tools for what I told her I paid for them."

Morbid frivolity aside, it would be nice if the Team Net community could 
provide some sort of tribute to Randall.? Whenever there was a fund 
drive or such Randall was always one of the first to open his wallet, 
and open it wide.? He was a generous man, sharing what he could with our 
community.

For the moment, I would like those of you who are willing and able to 
send me, mark at bradakis.com, photos of Randall, stories of his exploits 
and such.? I want to assemble a little web page to honor this gentleman, 
to capture the memories.

Thank you,

mjb.



From tfansher at comcast.net  Sat Jul 25 12:49:45 2020
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Thomas Fansher)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 14:49:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?How_can_we_help_Mi=C3=A9_=3F?=
In-Reply-To: <CAFU8DPu5baXTsz+zic+rL6bupQ_stND+HiOK4AyqXhDjsR=taA@mail.gmail.com>
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I can?t remember who started the ?fluif? comment, but it was neither Fred nor Randall.
Good memories, though
Tom


Sent from my iPad

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I never took him up on it, but, Randall offered to repair my steering wheel for free. Was it he or  ?FT? who made the slip about ?fluif' ?   I?m sure A lot of people have much better story?s then that one. 
> 
> Perhaps my greatest claim to fame with this group is that I once corrected Randall when he made an accidental mistake Once.  I doubt the guy ever made many mistakes!
> 
> I Rode A couple of miles In a running  Triumph once in my life; this Is to say, that I don?t know too much about the car. My history with this group is as a fly on the wall.   I never got to meet Randall although I did shake hands with Fred Thomas in Richmond!
> 
> Paul Dorsey 60 TR3 
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From staffel at comcast.net  Sat Jul 25 15:30:41 2020
From: staffel at comcast.net (staffel)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 17:30:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall Young TR Legacy
Message-ID: <mailman.25.1595712674.2902.triumphs@autox.team.net>


On May 10, Ironically my sisters Birthdate,(she passed on 2011). ; Bill Stewart Good friend of many years, & a TR2,TR3 & TR4 owner, since the 60s, caretaker passed.So Randall's passing (West Coast, East Coast Community losses) really hits the Emotional Heart.Bill was 1 day younger than I am, (74) ;so though I still am able to do all I ever did ( Contortioning, ladder work, Construction, Playing with Cars: 4 6 8s & V12s, Systems Analysis,? & Flying my Commander 112TC, these events for e us all to (at least for? few moments) Contemplate the reality of our 'Lives'.?Randall contributed a tremendous body of knowledge to this community, and I am working with Bill's son Ed ( lives in Seattle area) to return the TR4 to roadworthy status so he and his son can repeat the 1970s cross Continent TR4 trip Bill took Ed on.?IMHO, The Best Way we can honour Randall & Bill & Fred Thomas ( who I communicated with when we started building on the Tree Farm more than a decade ago (16 mi NW Fredericksburg VA); is to continue to support each other and 'the next generations'.?I too will deeply miss Randall's sharing.?Sherman D?TaffelColumbia MD & Goldvein VATR4 CT50054L?( last production TR4 per this list)OthersHelping CTR club member refurbish his twoTR6s.?Will try to post more of the 'renewal projects'.I hope someone is printing these comments for Mei!Sent via the Samsung Galaxy S10, an AT&T 5G Evolution capable smartphone
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Sat Jul 25 16:09:49 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sat, 25 Jul 2020 22:09:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?q?How_can_we_help_Mi=C3=A9_=3F?=
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Joe Curry was the fluifizer, as I occasionally remind him ?

Mike

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 25, 2020, at 13:50, Thomas Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?I can?t remember who started the ?fluif? comment, but it was neither Fred nor Randall.
> Good memories, though
> Tom
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPad
> 
>> On Jul 25, 2020, at 1:25 PM, Paul Dorsey <dorpaul1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> I never took him up on it, but, Randall offered to repair my steering wheel for free. Was it he or  ?FT? who made the slip about ?fluif' ?   I?m sure A lot of people have much better story?s then that one. 
>> 
>> Perhaps my greatest claim to fame with this group is that I once corrected Randall when he made an accidental mistake Once.  I doubt the guy ever made many mistakes!
>> 
>> I Rode A couple of miles In a running  Triumph once in my life; this Is to say, that I don?t know too much about the car. My history with this group is as a fly on the wall.   I never got to meet Randall although I did shake hands with Fred Thomas in Richmond!
>> 
>> Paul Dorsey 60 TR3 
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From fmags at cox.net  Sun Jul 26 14:22:41 2020
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:22:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
Message-ID: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758@cox.net>

Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.

Thanks,
Frank




From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 15:04:06 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:04:06 -0400
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
In-Reply-To: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758@cox.net>
References: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758@cox.net>
Message-ID: <F896EEFC-3395-4218-BBCD-0AF7B8998076@gmail.com>

I?ve used Montway a number of times with great success.  They are a broker but have had quality shippers every time.  Price is in the middle range.  Low ball prices mean low ball quality in my experience
Jim Henningsen


> On Jul 26, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.
> 
> Thanks,
> Frank
> 
> 
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From loumetelko at aol.com  Sun Jul 26 15:52:56 2020
From: loumetelko at aol.com (loumetelko at aol.com)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:52:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
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 <F896EEFC-3395-4218-BBCD-0AF7B8998076@gmail.com>
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I have used Passport Transport (800-325-4267) a few times and they are excellent.? Same truck (enclosed) and driver picks up and delivers your car directly to the assigned address.? Not cheap but quality never is.? When you buy based solely on price you forfeit your right to complain about service.
Lou MetelkoAuburn, Indiana




:
> 
> Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?? Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.? May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.
> 
> Thanks,
> Frank
> 
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jul 26 15:56:04 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:56:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
In-Reply-To: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758@cox.net>
References: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758@cox.net>
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I used these people  in 2015 and was pleased.



-----Original Message-----
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Magnusson
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 3:23 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies

Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad
experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to
midwest.

Thanks,
Frank



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From rjwilson1250 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 16:38:44 2020
From: rjwilson1250 at gmail.com (Roger Wilson)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:38:44 -0700
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
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I shipped a Morgan enclosed with uShip a few months ago. They are brokers,
so the actual shipper will be one of their contractors. Shipped from
Florida to Northern California. No issues, shipper was good.
Roger Wilson

On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 1:23 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:

> Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or
> bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to
> midwest.
>
> Thanks,
> Frank
>
>
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From boleaver at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 17:06:17 2020
From: boleaver at gmail.com (Bob Leaver)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:06:17 -0600
Subject: [TR] 65 TR4A window problem
Message-ID: <CAP2rSX55B-1zmSjVyn0khHeGvX4q7A==-iQ8ViLisK6J0y_CYA@mail.gmail.com>

A few months ago I sent a request out for help with my drivers side
window. It wouldn't go down all the way. It stopped about 1 1/2 "
short. I've worked on this problem on and off for 6 months or so. I've
compared the insides of both the doors and they looked the same. I've
received many helpful suggestions from many of you. Finally I figured
it out. The tie rod between the 2 channels was too tight. I found that
if I loosened the bolt, I think it's the regulator to the interior
door bolt, that the window would go down all the way. When I tightened
the bolt it must have brought the two window channels too close
together not allowing the window to roll all the way down. I can't
believe it took 6 months to find out it was a bolt that needed to be
backed off a little. Thanks for everyone's help.

From tcheat2002 at yahoo.com  Sun Jul 26 18:58:05 2020
From: tcheat2002 at yahoo.com (Tim Cheatham)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:58:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
In-Reply-To: <CAN8Zq0GX6zQ1o9e-ztednUOeJkHTey_pnLpQGrQCMUxFk9c6vw@mail.gmail.com>
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I used Intercity to ship a car from Arizona to Arkansas. I was impressed with their service. The car was wrapped and treated carefully. They aren?t the cheapest, but the service was great. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Roger Wilson <rjwilson1250 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I shipped a Morgan enclosed with uShip a few months ago. They are brokers, so the actual shipper will be one of their contractors. Shipped from Florida to Northern California. No issues, shipper was good. 
> Roger Wilson
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 1:23 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Frank
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From pethier7 at gmail.com  Sun Jul 26 19:02:07 2020
From: pethier7 at gmail.com (Phil Ethier)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 20:02:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
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References: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758@cox.net>
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Message-ID: <F859BD19-A69A-49E6-8DD8-4CEC0EDE1A98@gmail.com>

I have used Passport. Great service. 

When I sold the TR4 I advised the buyer not to use a  broker. Didn?t listen. Bubba and his girlfriend Darlene showed up. It was not good. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Roger Wilson <rjwilson1250 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I shipped a Morgan enclosed with uShip a few months ago. They are brokers, so the actual shipper will be one of their contractors. Shipped from Florida to Northern California. No issues, shipper was good. 
> Roger Wilson
> 
>> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 1:23 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
>> Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.
>> 
>> Thanks,
>> Frank
>> 
>> 
>> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jul 27 05:55:21 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:55:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
Message-ID: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>

Would someone please send me that link?

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From lee at automate-it.com  Mon Jul 27 07:10:05 2020
From: lee at automate-it.com (Lee Daniels)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:10:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re:  Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>

> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.

Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhkLTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl?usp=sharing

You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.

Cheers,
 Lee

From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 27 08:02:19 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:02:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
 <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <cc5b308e-2707-6af8-4c23-b9ba0e275a66@adelphia.net>

Lee,

I clicked on the link and no problem. I viewed a few and again no 
problem. This is the latest bookmarks to my CARS folder.

Thanks,

Bob

P.S.

I still cannot get his premature passing out of my mind.

On 7/27/20 9:10 AM, Lee Daniels wrote:
>> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.
> Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
> think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
> are here:
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhkLTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl?usp=sharing
>
> You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.
>
> Cheers,
>   Lee

From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 27 08:34:38 2020
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:34:38 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <cc5b308e-2707-6af8-4c23-b9ba0e275a66@adelphia.net>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
 <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
 <cc5b308e-2707-6af8-4c23-b9ba0e275a66@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <1534811859.6486852.1595860478335@mail.yahoo.com>

 Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......? ?It appears he is set up on the free plan.? It gives you free storage, but after a period of inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.? I would suggest if there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and download it.
Regards,
Chad in Tulsa
    On Monday, July 27, 2020, 09:03:04 AM CDT, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:  
 
 Lee,

I clicked on the link and no problem. I viewed a few and again no 
problem. This is the latest bookmarks to my CARS folder.

Thanks,

Bob

P.S.

I still cannot get his premature passing out of my mind.

On 7/27/20 9:10 AM, Lee Daniels wrote:
>> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.
> Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
> think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
> are here:
>
> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhkLTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl?usp=sharing
>
> You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.
>
> Cheers,
>? Lee
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From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul 27 09:55:13 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:55:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <1534811859.6486852.1595860478335@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
 <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
 <cc5b308e-2707-6af8-4c23-b9ba0e275a66@adelphia.net>
 <1534811859.6486852.1595860478335@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <3b0b99a6-6456-c971-af0b-9d16521b2f35@bradakis.com>

On 7/27/20 8:34 AM, Chad wrote:
> Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......? ?It appears he is set 
> up on the free plan.? It gives you free storage, but after a period of 
> inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.? I would suggest 
> if there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and 
> download it.
>
Which? is why I was asking about getting all the info set up on Team Net 
so if the Google archive does disappear, Team Net folks, well, actually 
anyone on the planet with a computer and a network, could access the 
info.? I'm not really familiar with Google Drive, not sure why the name 
of a fellow in England, VitesseSteve, shows up on the link that 
supposedly points to Randall's stuff, or how to download any of it.? I 
may have to look at each and every article, download them one by one, 
and then start assembing a web page for public access.

We shall see.

mjb.



From hoytduff at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 10:03:40 2020
From: hoytduff at gmail.com (Hoyt Duff)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:03:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
In-Reply-To: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
References: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAMp=J_qCDFcC3RcviAqtpt8WzT0hMOMB6RqnKZ-2o4rpCNgbyg@mail.gmail.com>

Share it here?

On 7/27/20, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> Would someone please send me that link?
>
>


-- 
-- 
Hoyt

From greg at gregoryd.com  Mon Jul 27 10:03:55 2020
From: greg at gregoryd.com (Greg Donovan)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:03:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <3b0b99a6-6456-c971-af0b-9d16521b2f35@bradakis.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
 <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
 <cc5b308e-2707-6af8-4c23-b9ba0e275a66@adelphia.net>
 <1534811859.6486852.1595860478335@mail.yahoo.com>
 <3b0b99a6-6456-c971-af0b-9d16521b2f35@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <568E1D17-5F43-4AE9-877D-ACAB258AABA6@gregoryd.com>

I suspect a lot of the material is from here: http://vitessesteve.co.uk

Also, there should be a Download All link:



?Greg


On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:55, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

On 7/27/20 8:34 AM, Chad wrote:
> Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......   It appears he is set up on the free plan.  It gives you free storage, but after a period of inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.  I would suggest if there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and download it.
> 
Which  is why I was asking about getting all the info set up on Team Net so if the Google archive does disappear, Team Net folks, well, actually anyone on the planet with a computer and a network, could access the info.  I'm not really familiar with Google Drive, not sure why the name of a fellow in England, VitesseSteve, shows up on the link that supposedly points to Randall's stuff, or how to download any of it.  I may have to look at each and every article, download them one by one, and then start assembing a web page for public access.

We shall see.

mjb.


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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 10:34:48 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:34:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <568E1D17-5F43-4AE9-877D-ACAB258AABA6@gregoryd.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
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 <cc5b308e-2707-6af8-4c23-b9ba0e275a66@adelphia.net>
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Message-ID: <CAPK7CFD-k+NhPFrbM-cBGy14Fj+F1QUq34Kj1SK78DQy6pDMNg@mail.gmail.com>

Yes, anyone should be able to download an approx 1.5GB zipped version of
the contents on Randall's Google Drive.

I've sent vitessesteve a note through another forum we're on together to
see what he can do or is thinking to ensure continuity of the drive's
contents for the preservation of the marque Triumph.

Don
Saint Louis MO
1962 TR3B

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:04 AM Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

> I suspect a lot of the material is from here: http://vitessesteve.co.uk
>
> Also, there should be a Download All link:
>
>
> ?Greg
>
>
> On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:55, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>
> On 7/27/20 8:34 AM, Chad wrote:
>
> Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......   It appears he is set up
> on the free plan.  It gives you free storage, but after a period of
> inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.  I would suggest if
> there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and download it.
>
> Which  is why I was asking about getting all the info set up on Team Net
> so if the Google archive does disappear, Team Net folks, well, actually
> anyone on the planet with a computer and a network, could access the info.
> I'm not really familiar with Google Drive, not sure why the name of a
> fellow in England, VitesseSteve, shows up on the link that supposedly
> points to Randall's stuff, or how to download any of it.  I may have to
> look at each and every article, download them one by one, and then start
> assembing a web page for public access.
>
> We shall see.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jul 27 14:01:40 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:01:40 -0500
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
In-Reply-To: <CAMp=J_qCDFcC3RcviAqtpt8WzT0hMOMB6RqnKZ-2o4rpCNgbyg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <002901d66450$bebb3730$3c31a590$@ranteer.com>

The Red River Triumph Club (http://redrivertriumphclub.org) in North Texas has agreed to take this on.  we have downloaded all of his archives and will be putting them in a public space.  It may be a month or two as we are in the process of switching hosting companies.

I will provide the link as soon as we have it.

btw when the page opens on the club website, the first picture (a green 1972 TR6) is my son Carlton autocrossing



From mark at bradakis.com  Mon Jul 27 14:21:34 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:21:34 -0600
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
In-Reply-To: <002901d66450$bebb3730$3c31a590$@ranteer.com>
References: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
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 <002901d66450$bebb3730$3c31a590$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <71d328c2-7f97-ffb0-337f-69f90d445772@bradakis.com>

On 7/27/20 2:01 PM, dave wrote:
> The Red River Triumph Club (http://redrivertriumphclub.org) in North Texas has agreed to take this on.  we have downloaded all of his archives and will be putting them in a public space.  It may be a month or two as we are in the process of switching hosting companies.
>

Nice!? All along while considering putting it on Team Net was the 
thought of just how long it would be there?? I'm a year or so older than 
Randall, somewhat diabetic, and with my job I could get flattened by a 
semitruck on the Interstate or run over by a train any day now.? Or I 
could remain unaffected by health issues and still be doing Team Net for 
another 30 years, who knows?

So I'll quit worrying about losing priceless info, take a nap and then 
worry about my broken sprinkler system after it cools off enough to be 
outside without fainting from the heat.

mjb.



From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Mon Jul 27 14:45:19 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:45:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
In-Reply-To: <002901d66450$bebb3730$3c31a590$@ranteer.com>
References: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
 <CAMp=J_qCDFcC3RcviAqtpt8WzT0hMOMB6RqnKZ-2o4rpCNgbyg@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <82949d6d-67c1-970b-5e1e-6dd5cef0c50f@adelphia.net>

Dave.

Thanks for stepping up. I am sure Randall is smiling.

Bob

On 7/27/20 4:01 PM, dave wrote:
> The Red River Triumph Club (http://redrivertriumphclub.org) in North Texas has agreed to take this on.  we have downloaded all of his archives and will be putting them in a public space.  It may be a month or two as we are in the process of switching hosting companies.
>
> I will provide the link as soon as we have it.
>
> btw when the page opens on the club website, the first picture (a green 1972 TR6) is my son Carlton autocrossing
>

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Mon Jul 27 14:55:21 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:55:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
In-Reply-To: <71d328c2-7f97-ffb0-337f-69f90d445772@bradakis.com>
References: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
 <CAMp=J_qCDFcC3RcviAqtpt8WzT0hMOMB6RqnKZ-2o4rpCNgbyg@mail.gmail.com>
 <002901d66450$bebb3730$3c31a590$@ranteer.com>
 <71d328c2-7f97-ffb0-337f-69f90d445772@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <002f01d66458$3eaa0dc0$bbfe2940$@uprichard.net>

"somewhat diabetic" - you mean like "somewhat pregnant" ?  :-)

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Mark J Bradakis
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 4:22 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall's google drive

On 7/27/20 2:01 PM, dave wrote:
> The Red River Triumph Club (http://redrivertriumphclub.org) in North Texas has agreed to take this on.  we have downloaded all of his archives and will be putting them in a public space.  It may be a month or two as we are in the process of switching hosting companies.
>

Nice!  All along while considering putting it on Team Net was the thought of just how long it would be there?  I'm a year or so older than Randall, somewhat diabetic, and with my job I could get flattened by a semitruck on the Interstate or run over by a train any day now.  Or I could remain unaffected by health issues and still be doing Team Net for another 30 years, who knows?

So I'll quit worrying about losing priceless info, take a nap and then worry about my broken sprinkler system after it cools off enough to be outside without fainting from the heat.

mjb.


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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 14:59:38 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:59:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
In-Reply-To: <71d328c2-7f97-ffb0-337f-69f90d445772@bradakis.com>
References: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwg0UUp5PA3NrrD14bfktDCV2M5VZemD+hJz-1oPQvG8VA@mail.gmail.com>

It's currently 96 degrees here in southern Maine.
With the humidity, it says the RealFeel is 106 degrees!
Not my favorite weather....

Dave

On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 4:21 PM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On 7/27/20 2:01 PM, dave wrote:
> > The Red River Triumph Club (http://redrivertriumphclub.org) in North
> Texas has agreed to take this on.  we have downloaded all of his archives
> and will be putting them in a public space.  It may be a month or two as we
> are in the process of switching hosting companies.
> >
>
> Nice!  All along while considering putting it on Team Net was the
> thought of just how long it would be there?  I'm a year or so older than
> Randall, somewhat diabetic, and with my job I could get flattened by a
> semitruck on the Interstate or run over by a train any day now.  Or I
> could remain unaffected by health issues and still be doing Team Net for
> another 30 years, who knows?
>
> So I'll quit worrying about losing priceless info, take a nap and then
> worry about my broken sprinkler system after it cools off enough to be
> outside without fainting from the heat.
>
> mjb.
>
>
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From boleaver at gmail.com  Mon Jul 27 15:25:24 2020
From: boleaver at gmail.com (Bob Leaver)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 15:25:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] Carpet kits
Message-ID: <CAP2rSX77zR6dPg++yYe6vqUzZde+Gti0ALxi=bEoZD98fgNe3Q@mail.gmail.com>

I'm looking to put a new carpet kit in my 65 TR4A. I've found a site,
StockInteriors.com, that has kits for $231. Moss Motors prices are
about $450. Any ideas?

From fmags at cox.net  Mon Jul 27 15:50:48 2020
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 16:50:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
Message-ID: <6103261A-2197-454F-8290-FC7525DA3636@cox.net>

Thanks for all the recommendations.

Frank


From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Mon Jul 27 17:30:15 2020
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 23:30:15 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 196
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1595872802.32489.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 For car shipping companies.........Intercity !

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    Message: 1
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:22:41 -0500
    From: Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net>
    To: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
    Message-ID: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758 at cox.net>
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    Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.

    Thanks,
    Frank





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    Message: 2
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:04:06 -0400
    From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
    To: Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net>
    Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Car shipping companies
    Message-ID: <F896EEFC-3395-4218-BBCD-0AF7B8998076 at gmail.com>
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    I?ve used Montway a number of times with great success.  They are a broker but have had quality shippers every time.  Price is in the middle range.  Low ball prices mean low ball quality in my experience
    Jim Henningsen


    > On Jul 26, 2020, at 4:23 PM, Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
    > 
    > ?Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.
    > 
    > Thanks,
    > Frank
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    Message: 3
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:52:56 +0000 (UTC)
    From: loumetelko at aol.com
    To: trguy75 at gmail.com
    Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Car shipping companies
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    I have used Passport Transport (800-325-4267) a few times and they are excellent.? Same truck (enclosed) and driver picks up and delivers your car directly to the assigned address.? Not cheap but quality never is.? When you buy based solely on price you forfeit your right to complain about service.
    Lou MetelkoAuburn, Indiana




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    Message: 4
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 16:56:04 -0500
    From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
    To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
    Subject: Re: [TR] Car shipping companies
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    I used these people  in 2015 and was pleased.



    -----Original Message-----
    From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank
    Magnusson
    Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 3:23 PM
    To: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies

    Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad
    experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to
    midwest.

    Thanks,
    Frank



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    Message: 5
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 15:38:44 -0700
    From: Roger Wilson <rjwilson1250 at gmail.com>
    To: Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net>
    Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Car shipping companies
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    I shipped a Morgan enclosed with uShip a few months ago. They are brokers,
    so the actual shipper will be one of their contractors. Shipped from
    Florida to Northern California. No issues, shipper was good.
    Roger Wilson

    On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 1:23 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:

    > Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or
    > bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to
    > midwest.
    >
    > Thanks,
    > Frank
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    Message: 6
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 17:06:17 -0600
    From: Bob Leaver <boleaver at gmail.com>
    To: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: [TR] 65 TR4A window problem
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    A few months ago I sent a request out for help with my drivers side
    window. It wouldn't go down all the way. It stopped about 1 1/2 "
    short. I've worked on this problem on and off for 6 months or so. I've
    compared the insides of both the doors and they looked the same. I've
    received many helpful suggestions from many of you. Finally I figured
    it out. The tie rod between the 2 channels was too tight. I found that
    if I loosened the bolt, I think it's the regulator to the interior
    door bolt, that the window would go down all the way. When I tightened
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    Message: 7
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 19:58:05 -0500
    From: Tim Cheatham <tcheat2002 at yahoo.com>
    To: Roger Wilson <rjwilson1250 at gmail.com>
    Cc: Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Car shipping companies
    Message-ID: <14DD9FCE-E70B-404A-BEA7-B968681B550B at yahoo.com>
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    I used Intercity to ship a car from Arizona to Arkansas. I was impressed with their service. The car was wrapped and treated carefully. They aren?t the cheapest, but the service was great. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:39 PM, Roger Wilson <rjwilson1250 at gmail.com> wrote:
    > 
    > ?
    > I shipped a Morgan enclosed with uShip a few months ago. They are brokers, so the actual shipper will be one of their contractors. Shipped from Florida to Northern California. No issues, shipper was good. 
    > Roger Wilson
    > 
    >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 1:23 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
    >> Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.
    >> 
    >> Thanks,
    >> Frank
    >> 
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    Message: 8
    Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 20:02:07 -0500
    From: Phil Ethier <pethier7 at gmail.com>
    To: Roger Wilson <rjwilson1250 at gmail.com>
    Cc: Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net>, triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Car shipping companies
    Message-ID: <F859BD19-A69A-49E6-8DD8-4CEC0EDE1A98 at gmail.com>
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    I have used Passport. Great service. 

    When I sold the TR4 I advised the buyer not to use a  broker. Didn?t listen. Bubba and his girlfriend Darlene showed up. It was not good. 

    Sent from my iPhone

    > On Jul 26, 2020, at 5:38 PM, Roger Wilson <rjwilson1250 at gmail.com> wrote:
    > 
    > I shipped a Morgan enclosed with uShip a few months ago. They are brokers, so the actual shipper will be one of their contractors. Shipped from Florida to Northern California. No issues, shipper was good. 
    > Roger Wilson
    > 
    >> On Sun, Jul 26, 2020 at 1:23 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:
    >> Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to midwest.
    >> 
    >> Thanks,
    >> Frank
    >> 
    >> 
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    Message: 9
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 06:55:21 -0500
    From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
    To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
    Subject: [TR] Randall's google drive
    Message-ID: <003a01d6640c$d0f60ea0$72e22be0$@ranteer.com>
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    Would someone please send me that link?

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    Message: 10
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 08:10:05 -0500
    From: "Lee Daniels" <lee at automate-it.com>
    To: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re:  Randall Young)
    Message-ID:
    	<658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel at automate-it.com>
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    > Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.

    Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
    think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
    are here:

    https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fdrive%2Ffolders%2F0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhkLTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9f8e4a7a3f84844651008d8325712d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637314696838375550&amp;sdata=07KHWzMkMWpJqE8N8YV%2F0Cpy2PS0zi23CBiIQDz80ms%3D&amp;reserved=0

    You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.

    Cheers,
     Lee


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    Message: 11
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 10:02:19 -0400
    From: Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
    To: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
    Message-ID: <cc5b308e-2707-6af8-4c23-b9ba0e275a66 at adelphia.net>
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    Lee,

    I clicked on the link and no problem. I viewed a few and again no 
    problem. This is the latest bookmarks to my CARS folder.

    Thanks,

    Bob

    P.S.

    I still cannot get his premature passing out of my mind.

    On 7/27/20 9:10 AM, Lee Daniels wrote:
    >> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.
    > Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
    > think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
    > are here:
    >
    > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fdrive%2Ffolders%2F0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhkLTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9f8e4a7a3f84844651008d8325712d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637314696838375550&amp;sdata=07KHWzMkMWpJqE8N8YV%2F0Cpy2PS0zi23CBiIQDz80ms%3D&amp;reserved=0
    >
    > You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >   Lee


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    Message: 12
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 14:34:38 +0000 (UTC)
    From: Chad <triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com>
    To: triumphs at autox.team.net, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net>
    Subject: Re: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
    Message-ID: <1534811859.6486852.1595860478335 at mail.yahoo.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

     Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......? ?It appears he is set up on the free plan.? It gives you free storage, but after a period of inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.? I would suggest if there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and download it.
    Regards,
    Chad in Tulsa
        On Monday, July 27, 2020, 09:03:04 AM CDT, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:  

     Lee,

    I clicked on the link and no problem. I viewed a few and again no 
    problem. This is the latest bookmarks to my CARS folder.

    Thanks,

    Bob

    P.S.

    I still cannot get his premature passing out of my mind.

    On 7/27/20 9:10 AM, Lee Daniels wrote:
    >> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.
    > Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
    > think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
    > are here:
    >
    > https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=https%3A%2F%2Fdrive.google.com%2Fdrive%2Ffolders%2F0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhkLTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl%3Fusp%3Dsharing&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9f8e4a7a3f84844651008d8325712d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637314696838375550&amp;sdata=07KHWzMkMWpJqE8N8YV%2F0Cpy2PS0zi23CBiIQDz80ms%3D&amp;reserved=0
    >
    > You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.
    >
    > Cheers,
    >? Lee
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    Message: 13
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 09:55:13 -0600
    From: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
    To: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
    Message-ID: <3b0b99a6-6456-c971-af0b-9d16521b2f35 at bradakis.com>
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    On 7/27/20 8:34 AM, Chad wrote:
    > Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......? ?It appears he is set 
    > up on the free plan.? It gives you free storage, but after a period of 
    > inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.? I would suggest 
    > if there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and 
    > download it.
    >
    Which? is why I was asking about getting all the info set up on Team Net 
    so if the Google archive does disappear, Team Net folks, well, actually 
    anyone on the planet with a computer and a network, could access the 
    info.? I'm not really familiar with Google Drive, not sure why the name 
    of a fellow in England, VitesseSteve, shows up on the link that 
    supposedly points to Randall's stuff, or how to download any of it.? I 
    may have to look at each and every article, download them one by one, 
    and then start assembing a web page for public access.

    We shall see.

    mjb.




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    Message: 14
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:03:40 -0400
    From: Hoyt Duff <hoytduff at gmail.com>
    To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
    Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Randall's google drive
    Message-ID:
    	<CAMp=J_qCDFcC3RcviAqtpt8WzT0hMOMB6RqnKZ-2o4rpCNgbyg at mail.gmail.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8"

    Share it here?

    On 7/27/20, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
    > Would someone please send me that link?
    >
    >


    -- 
    -- 
    Hoyt


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    Message: 15
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 12:03:55 -0400
    From: Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com>
    To: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
    Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
    Message-ID: <568E1D17-5F43-4AE9-877D-ACAB258AABA6 at gregoryd.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

    I suspect a lot of the material is from here: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvitessesteve.co.uk%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9f8e4a7a3f84844651008d8325712d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637314696838375550&amp;sdata=nciMnVn6zbbl39bcwA%2B30H2MrkA6sSjqZG8x7f%2B3zP8%3D&amp;reserved=0

    Also, there should be a Download All link:



    ?Greg


    On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:55, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

    On 7/27/20 8:34 AM, Chad wrote:
    > Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......   It appears he is set up on the free plan.  It gives you free storage, but after a period of inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.  I would suggest if there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and download it.
    > 
    Which  is why I was asking about getting all the info set up on Team Net so if the Google archive does disappear, Team Net folks, well, actually anyone on the planet with a computer and a network, could access the info.  I'm not really familiar with Google Drive, not sure why the name of a fellow in England, VitesseSteve, shows up on the link that supposedly points to Randall's stuff, or how to download any of it.  I may have to look at each and every article, download them one by one, and then start assembing a web page for public access.

    We shall see.

    mjb.


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    Message: 16
    Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 11:34:48 -0500
    From: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
    To: Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com>
    Cc: Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
    Subject: Re: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)
    Message-ID:
    	<CAPK7CFD-k+NhPFrbM-cBGy14Fj+F1QUq34Kj1SK78DQy6pDMNg at mail.gmail.com>
    Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

    Yes, anyone should be able to download an approx 1.5GB zipped version of
    the contents on Randall's Google Drive.

    I've sent vitessesteve a note through another forum we're on together to
    see what he can do or is thinking to ensure continuity of the drive's
    contents for the preservation of the marque Triumph.

    Don
    Saint Louis MO
    1962 TR3B

    On Mon, Jul 27, 2020 at 11:04 AM Greg Donovan <greg at gregoryd.com> wrote:

    > I suspect a lot of the material is from here: https://nam10.safelinks.protection.outlook.com/?url=http%3A%2F%2Fvitessesteve.co.uk%2F&amp;data=02%7C01%7C%7Ce9f8e4a7a3f84844651008d8325712d6%7C84df9e7fe9f640afb435aaaaaaaaaaaa%7C1%7C0%7C637314696838385548&amp;sdata=tp9ooK7o5v4TJYb4tm05Q%2BREagD5u2MCXVg%2BKFjJCfw%3D&amp;reserved=0
    >
    > Also, there should be a Download All link:
    >
    >
    > ?Greg
    >
    >
    > On Jul 27, 2020, at 11:55, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
    >
    > On 7/27/20 8:34 AM, Chad wrote:
    >
    > Just a thought on Randall's Google Drive......   It appears he is set up
    > on the free plan.  It gives you free storage, but after a period of
    > inactivity (by the drive owner) it will auto-delete.  I would suggest if
    > there is anything on there that you want to keep, go ahead and download it.
    >
    > Which  is why I was asking about getting all the info set up on Team Net
    > so if the Google archive does disappear, Team Net folks, well, actually
    > anyone on the planet with a computer and a network, could access the info.
    > I'm not really familiar with Google Drive, not sure why the name of a
    > fellow in England, VitesseSteve, shows up on the link that supposedly
    > points to Randall's stuff, or how to download any of it.  I may have to
    > look at each and every article, download them one by one, and then start
    > assembing a web page for public access.
    >
    > We shall see.
    >
    > mjb.
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Jul 27 21:39:16 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 27 Jul 2020 22:39:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak
References: <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE@yahoo.com>

Hello List,
Just set the TR3 motor in and fired up for the first time, there is a small oil leak at that post that goes through the center of the timing cover, behind the pulley.  I just had a nut and washer on it, should I have gone with an o-ring or fiber washer?  20-20 hindsight, should have put something behind it.  

Many thanks,
Bill


#dontkillgrandma


From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Jul 28 05:33:08 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 07:33:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak
In-Reply-To: <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE@yahoo.com>
References: <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE.ref@yahoo.com>
 <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <003701d664d2$dff6ede0$9fe4c9a0$@uprichard.net>

Bill:  it needs something.  The books call for a fiber washer behind the
timing plate cover (Moss 324-680, TRF WF508) but I have been equally
successful with a felt washer in front - something you may be able to do
without too much difficulty.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:39 PM
To: Randall <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak

Hello List,
Just set the TR3 motor in and fired up for the first time, there is a small
oil leak at that post that goes through the center of the timing cover,
behind the pulley.  I just had a nut and washer on it, should I have gone
with an o-ring or fiber washer?  20-20 hindsight, should have put something
behind it.  

Many thanks,
Bill


#dontkillgrandma

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 28 07:27:49 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 08:27:49 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak
In-Reply-To: <003701d664d2$dff6ede0$9fe4c9a0$@uprichard.net>
References: <003701d664d2$dff6ede0$9fe4c9a0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <42B2A180-178C-4194-ABAE-41059AECE281@yahoo.com>

Thank you all, I guess I just missed it. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:33 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?Bill:  it needs something.  The books call for a fiber washer behind the
timing plate cover (Moss 324-680, TRF WF508) but I have been equally
successful with a felt washer in front - something you may be able to do
without too much difficulty.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:39 PM
To: Randall <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak

Hello List,
Just set the TR3 motor in and fired up for the first time, there is a small
oil leak at that post that goes through the center of the timing cover,
behind the pulley.  I just had a nut and washer on it, should I have gone
with an o-ring or fiber washer?  20-20 hindsight, should have put something
behind it.  

Many thanks,
Bill


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From keithstewart at bell.net  Tue Jul 28 10:23:21 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:23:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] Rear Seal Installation on TR4/4A/5/250 Hardtop
Message-ID: <0ae401d664fb$69be0cc0$3d3a2640$@bell.net>

Does anyone have experience with the correct installation of the rear seal
for the hardtop to backlight on these models? Most vendors TRF, Moss,
Rimmers, Revington, etc.) "imply" that the seal is attached to the rear
surface of the hardtop. However, on my original 67 TR4A (36 000 miles), the
seal is glued to the top horizontal surface of the backlight. Your thoughts
and wisdom are most welcome.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

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From john at linneyweb.com  Tue Jul 28 11:29:06 2020
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:29:06 -0700
Subject: [TR] Rear Seal Installation on TR4/4A/5/250 Hardtop
In-Reply-To: <0ae401d664fb$69be0cc0$3d3a2640$@bell.net>
References: <0ae401d664fb$69be0cc0$3d3a2640$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <B35B8906-CFCE-4B12-A5B3-19FAD701DF4F@linneyweb.com>

It is glued to the hardtop. If it were glued to the backlight, I doubt you would get the Surrey Top canvas sticks to fit properly.  It would also look terrible. There?s a fur flex strip that goes completely around the backlight and door openings.


> On Jul 28, 2020, at 9:23 AM, <keithstewart at bell.net> <keithstewart at bell.net> wrote:
> 
> Does anyone have experience with the correct installation of the rear seal for the hardtop to backlight on these models? Most vendors TRF, Moss, Rimmers, Revington, etc.) ?imply? that the seal is attached to the rear surface of the hardtop. However, on my original 67 TR4A (36 000 miles), the seal is glued to the top horizontal surface of the backlight. Your thoughts and wisdom are most welcome.
>  
> Keith Stewart
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>  
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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 28 13:57:51 2020
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 12:57:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak
In-Reply-To: <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE@yahoo.com>
References: <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE.ref@yahoo.com>
 <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <009f01d66519$62cbf5d0$2863e170$@yahoo.com>

     You can buy the fiber washer at a hardware store. I bought mine at a
Tru-Value hardware store in our little town.
     It has never really made a difference inside or outside of the timing
cover. My first engine rebuild I didn't know and put it on the outside. Next
time it was on the inside. No leaks either way.

     -Bill Brewer


-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher [mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:39 PM
To: Randall
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak

Hello List,
Just set the TR3 motor in and fired up for the first time, there is a small
oil leak at that post that goes through the center of the timing cover,
behind the pulley.  I just had a nut and washer on it, should I have gone
with an o-ring or fiber washer?  20-20 hindsight, should have put something
behind it.  

Many thanks,
Bill


#dontkillgrandma




From keithstewart at bell.net  Tue Jul 28 14:06:40 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:06:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Rear Seal Installation on TR4/4A/5/250 Hardtop
In-Reply-To: <B35B8906-CFCE-4B12-A5B3-19FAD701DF4F@linneyweb.com>
References: <0ae401d664fb$69be0cc0$3d3a2640$@bell.net>
 <B35B8906-CFCE-4B12-A5B3-19FAD701DF4F@linneyweb.com>
Message-ID: <0b2a01d6651a$9bba4800$d32ed800$@bell.net>

Thanks John. Is yours original or was it installed the same way it came off an original car? My car has only 36 000 miles and was purchased from the original owner. Although I have removed the fuzzy seal (red) and the door opening seals so it does not look as neat as your shot, the rear seal, you can see the surrey top frame installed in this first picture. There is no interference between the seal and the frame for the surrey top. The second picture shows the detail at the end of the seal. The amount of compression of the seal and the low mileage would suggest it has always been this way. Once the rubber seal and fuzzy seal are installed, I am not sure it would look any stranger than the rubber seal and fuzzy seal around the door openings.

 

Thanks for your install info and for the excellent photos. 

 

Keith

 

 

From: John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> 
Sent: July 28, 2020 1:29 PM
To: keithstewart at bell.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Rear Seal Installation on TR4/4A/5/250 Hardtop

 

It is glued to the hardtop. If it were glued to the backlight, I doubt you would get the Surrey Top canvas sticks to fit properly.  It would also look terrible. There?s a fur flex strip that goes completely around the backlight and door openings.







On Jul 28, 2020, at 9:23 AM, <keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> > <keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> > wrote:

 

Does anyone have experience with the correct installation of the rear seal for the hardtop to backlight on these models? Most vendors TRF, Moss, Rimmers, Revington, etc.) ?imply? that the seal is attached to the rear surface of the hardtop. However, on my original 67 TR4A (36 000 miles), the seal is glued to the top horizontal surface of the backlight. Your thoughts and wisdom are most welcome.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

 

 

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 28 15:29:47 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 16:29:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak
References: <ACFC488A-655E-4215-8610-2B7FC0306B4A.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <ACFC488A-655E-4215-8610-2B7FC0306B4A@yahoo.com>

?Thanks Bill,
I got a washer, I think I will dab a little RTV around the hole to let some of it squeeze through for a better seal. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 28, 2020, at 2:58 PM, Bill Brewer <billbrewer59 at yahoo.com> wrote:

?     You can buy the fiber washer at a hardware store. I bought mine at a
Tru-Value hardware store in our little town.
It has never really made a difference inside or outside of the timing
cover. My first engine rebuild I didn't know and put it on the outside. Next
time it was on the inside. No leaks either way.

-Bill Brewer


-----Original Message-----
From: bill beecher [mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com] 
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:39 PM
To: Randall
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak

Hello List,
Just set the TR3 motor in and fired up for the first time, there is a small
oil leak at that post that goes through the center of the timing cover,
behind the pulley.  I just had a nut and washer on it, should I have gone
with an o-ring or fiber washer?  20-20 hindsight, should have put something
behind it.  

Many thanks,
Bill


#dontkillgrandma





From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 16:12:58 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 15:12:58 -0700
Subject: [TR] wire wheels differnces
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGCMBMgszsa8w1ZZ3GfGFx0S3nyqFQSiO00zpPDes2pkw@mail.gmail.com>

Does anyone have any opinion between MWS and Dayton wire wheels?
A friend has a Stag and is interested.
Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 16:52:09 2020
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:52:09 -0400
Subject: [TR] Ref: TR10
In-Reply-To: <9abaca92-e5d3-748b-cbb8-497896f85f45@att.net>
References: <9abaca92-e5d3-748b-cbb8-497896f85f45.ref@att.net>
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Message-ID: <CANhzkeOeV1Pq6WGDV8AW9m31BT94hK=-Yk3HR3HEbU29RMzf2w@mail.gmail.com>

don't know but used something like that to mount my clicky clicky facet
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 28 17:09:16 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 18:09:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] wire wheels differnces
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGCMBMgszsa8w1ZZ3GfGFx0S3nyqFQSiO00zpPDes2pkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGCMBMgszsa8w1ZZ3GfGFx0S3nyqFQSiO00zpPDes2pkw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <E1177390-509D-4E7C-98BB-EA2935A1593E@yahoo.com>

My TR3 had MWS wheels on it when I got it 4 years ago, very pleased with them. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 28, 2020, at 5:13 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

?
Does anyone have any opinion between MWS and Dayton wire wheels?
A friend has a Stag and is interested.
Sujit

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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 18:07:25 2020
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:07:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] wire wheels differnces
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGCMBMgszsa8w1ZZ3GfGFx0S3nyqFQSiO00zpPDes2pkw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGCMBMgszsa8w1ZZ3GfGFx0S3nyqFQSiO00zpPDes2pkw@mail.gmail.com>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 28 18:59:37 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 19:59:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] wire wheels differnces
In-Reply-To: <120FAD1E-8992-485D-8922-C3C95D5611C4@hxcore.ol>
References: <120FAD1E-8992-485D-8922-C3C95D5611C4@hxcore.ol>
Message-ID: <7CBC2740-B49E-468A-8859-14244B0B468F@yahoo.com>

OK, I?ll bite, what is the ?...special Stag lacing pattern??   Center laced?
Bill


#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Dean <tr3a58dean at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I had a set of the Dayton wire wheels with the special Stag lacing pattern on my Stag. They were tubeless
And did not leak down. Had it for quite a few years and always were true. Don?t know about MWS. Do they have
The special Stag lacing pattern?
 
Dean Tetterton
 
 
Sent from Mail for Windows 10
 
From: Sujit Roy
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:13 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] wire wheels differnces
 
Does anyone have any opinion between MWS and Dayton wire wheels?
A friend has a Stag and is interested.
Sujit
 
--
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Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Jul 28 19:14:18 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:14:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak
In-Reply-To: <00b601d6653a$720ecf10$562c6d30$@freelanceconsulting.net>
References: <00b601d6653a$720ecf10$562c6d30$@freelanceconsulting.net>
Message-ID: <E66D500F-EBBF-4AF0-8367-D89D3EFE19D8@yahoo.com>

Thanks Glenn,
I use the Permatex PTFE Teflon thread sealer in all of the liquid sealing applications.  
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jul 28, 2020, at 6:54 PM, Glenn A. Merrell <controls at freelanceconsulting.net> wrote:

?One practice I learned on my Rover V8 and Stag V8 jobs was to always use
some sort of liquid thread sealer on the bolt threads on an engine -
excepting head to exhaust manifold and spark plug threads which I use a MIL
spec conducting molybdenum antiseize, and the special Stag head studs also
get coated with the MIL spec moly.

For the Rover engines, a Teflon thread sealer is recommended on all engine
bolts as both a thread lubricant into aluminum but also as a sealer as most
of the holes go into an oil or water gallery.

The practice also works well in cast iron blocks and heads and is a simple
step after the very important step of chasing each hole with a bottoming tap
and blowing it out with air, to then lightly coat the threads with a Teflon
thread sealer.  I have found that the areas in Triumph Blocks recommending
fiber or copper sealing washers perform much better with a liquid Teflon
thread sealant added to the threads.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew
uprichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:33 AM
To: 'bill beecher'; 'Randall'
Subject: Re: [TR] Timing cover leak

Bill:  it needs something.  The books call for a fiber washer behind the
timing plate cover (Moss 324-680, TRF WF508) but I have been equally
successful with a felt washer in front - something you may be able to do
without too much difficulty.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:39 PM
To: Randall <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak

Hello List,
Just set the TR3 motor in and fired up for the first time, there is a small
oil leak at that post that goes through the center of the timing cover,
behind the pulley.  I just had a nut and washer on it, should I have gone
with an o-ring or fiber washer?  20-20 hindsight, should have put something
behind it.  

Many thanks,
Bill


#dontkillgrandma

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Jul 28 21:33:46 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 20:33:46 -0700
Subject: [TR] wire wheels differnces
In-Reply-To: <7CBC2740-B49E-468A-8859-14244B0B468F@yahoo.com>
References: <120FAD1E-8992-485D-8922-C3C95D5611C4@hxcore.ol>
 <7CBC2740-B49E-468A-8859-14244B0B468F@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHGrPm3Vp-Jkdfd+SFDkkqqKkQL4Wf+c2Jq89Kn3MJxhQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've never had a regular wire wheel to compare to a Stags wire. But have
been told stag wheels have a special lacing pattern

On Tue, Jul 28, 2020, 5:59 PM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:

> OK, I?ll bite, what is the ?...special Stag lacing pattern??   Center
> laced?
> Bill
>
>
> #dontkillgrandma
>
> On Jul 28, 2020, at 7:08 PM, Dean <tr3a58dean at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> ?
>
> I had a set of the Dayton wire wheels with the special Stag lacing pattern
> on my Stag. They were tubeless
>
> And did not leak down. Had it for quite a few years and always were true.
> Don?t know about MWS. Do they have
>
> The special Stag lacing pattern?
>
>
>
> Dean Tetterton
>
>
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Tuesday, July 28, 2020 6:13 PM
> *To: *Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[TR] wire wheels differnces
>
>
>
> Does anyone have any opinion between MWS and Dayton wire wheels?
>
> A friend has a Stag and is interested.
>
> Sujit
>
>
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
>
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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Wed Jul 29 06:36:47 2020
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 08:36:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] wire wheels differnces
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHGrPm3Vp-Jkdfd+SFDkkqqKkQL4Wf+c2Jq89Kn3MJxhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <120FAD1E-8992-485D-8922-C3C95D5611C4@hxcore.ol>
 <7CBC2740-B49E-468A-8859-14244B0B468F@yahoo.com>,
 <CANLCLaHGrPm3Vp-Jkdfd+SFDkkqqKkQL4Wf+c2Jq89Kn3MJxhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jul 29 09:02:20 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 10:02:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re:  Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
 <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <000701d665b9$422d0490$c6870db0$@ranteer.com>

Was Randall associated with a club?

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lee Daniels
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)

> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.

Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhk
LTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl?usp=sharing

You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.

Cheers,
 Lee
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jul 29 09:27:14 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 15:27:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re:  Randall Young)
In-Reply-To: <000701d665b9$422d0490$c6870db0$@ranteer.com>
References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
 <0BEB57DE-1FA2-4763-9DBD-D1404996B9B0@gmail.com>
 <658108ef4de7be523fa18be1966ec4cf.squirrel@automate-it.com>
 <000701d665b9$422d0490$c6870db0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1949427583.6279952.1596036434563@mail.yahoo.com>

 yesthe older and now defunct? 2 los angeles clubs and more recently the combined single club TCSC.
Frank?
    On Wednesday, July 29, 2020, 08:02:46 AM PDT, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 Was Randall associated with a club?

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lee Daniels
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 8:10 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)

> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.

Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhk
LTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl?usp=sharing

You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.

Cheers,
 Lee
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From fmags at cox.net  Wed Jul 29 15:45:00 2020
From: fmags at cox.net (Frank Magnusson)
Date: Wed, 29 Jul 2020 16:45:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] wire wheel differences
Message-ID: <248EE80A-7102-4C82-91A5-CF0BA6050AFE@cox.net>

Regarding the special Stag lacing pattern,

I looked at my Stag and another car I have with the more standard 60 spoke wire wheel this morning.

On the 60 spoke wheel, the spokes at the base of the hub criss-cross to the rim as do the spokes at the top of the hub.

On the Stag wire wheel, which is 72 spoke, the spokes at the base criss-cross to the rim, but the spokes at the top of the hub do not; they go straight out to the rim.  I don't think other 72 spoke wheels do that; I believe that they are unique to the Stag, but not 100% sure on that.

Frank



From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Thu Jul 30 15:58:11 2020
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Thu, 30 Jul 2020 17:58:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] FW: stagpictures 018.jpg
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 12:26:20 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:26:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] wire wheel differences
In-Reply-To: <248EE80A-7102-4C82-91A5-CF0BA6050AFE@cox.net>
References: <248EE80A-7102-4C82-91A5-CF0BA6050AFE@cox.net>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaH8+7MfFec_cHK3BJvk60PFOVjtry=Tp4otbdhnGVgq-w@mail.gmail.com>

Just noticed MSW wires are different.
Sujit

On Wed, Jul 29, 2020 at 2:47 PM Frank Magnusson <fmags at cox.net> wrote:

> Regarding the special Stag lacing pattern,
>
> I looked at my Stag and another car I have with the more standard 60 spoke
> wire wheel this morning.
>
> On the 60 spoke wheel, the spokes at the base of the hub criss-cross to
> the rim as do the spokes at the top of the hub.
>
> On the Stag wire wheel, which is 72 spoke, the spokes at the base
> criss-cross to the rim, but the spokes at the top of the hub do not; they
> go straight out to the rim.  I don't think other 72 spoke wheels do that; I
> believe that they are unique to the Stag, but not 100% sure on that.
>
> Frank
>
>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 12:26:52 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 11:26:52 -0700
Subject: [TR] FW: stagpictures 018.jpg
In-Reply-To: <99C9494F-9072-4DB9-8455-AEC153BC4678@hxcore.ol>
References: <E81A3CCB-0629-4D73-A8F9-BE06E1D60F48@hxcore.ol>
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Message-ID: <CANLCLaFB_fW2ohNWGurOS7QiuAXm23PUg1uY2G14RyaJHx3dEg@mail.gmail.com>

Thx,
Just noticed and informed the person interested.
Sujit

On Thu, Jul 30, 2020 at 2:58 PM Dean <tr3a58dean at gmail.com> wrote:

> This is the best picture I could find of the Stag wire wheel lacing.
>
>
>
> Dean
>
>
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for
> Windows 10
>
>
>
> *From: *Dean <tr3a58dean at gmail.com>
> *Sent: *Thursday, July 30, 2020 5:51 PM
> *To: *Dean <tr3a58dean at gmail.com>
> *Subject: *stagpictures 018.jpg
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
>


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Cupertino, California

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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri Jul 31 14:04:58 2020
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 16:04:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumphs Only, 40 year business,
 large inventory of cars and parts | eBay
References: <067B6F36-37E6-4D1A-AE94-862BF5DAB764@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <BAE893FE-E540-49C6-906C-26F76B95038C@columbus.rr.com>



> Begin forwarded message:
> 
> From: Gil Sissons <gsissons at comcast.net>
> Subject: Triumphs Only, 40 year business, large inventory of cars and parts | eBay
> Date: July 31, 2020 at 10:36:03 AM EDT
> To: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>
> 
> Looks like Wayne has his collection back for sale on EBay.....
> FYI 
> Gil
> 
> 
> https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumphs-Only-40-year-business-large-inventory-of-cars-and-parts-/193308184304
> 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Jul 31 15:42:54 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 14:42:54 -0700
Subject: [TR] Adapter for water hose
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEb=ed4V1vu0wZ=kPVSLVE8c=FR62t9et1qiWMryHbxCA@mail.gmail.com>

Foks,
Im looking for something similar to  this

https://www.qofficial.com/index.php?main_page=product_info&products_id=328610


I'm trying to bridge a water pipe hose between the two cylinder heads. I
removed a plug.
The thread is  1/2 BSPP but the other end is 1/2" The problem is I've
stripped the thread on the  Stag. but can get away with something which has
a deeper thread. The plug was about  1/2" in length, The end cap is
threaded about an inch.
Does any triumph have something similar which I could use?


Regards, Sujit
-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Fri Jul 31 16:03:55 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Fri, 31 Jul 2020 18:03:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumphs Only, 40 year business,
 large inventory of cars and parts | eBay
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I saw the ad and ask and wonder how the valuation is determined. There should be a list of assets and associated value before any lender would issue a loan which of course on used parts can be rather subjective. How long will it take to recover the investment? What?s the size of the market? Cost to move and inventory at a new warehouse. In the end in my opinion this will be a very difficult sale unless a collector with deep pockets just bellied up to the bar and makes an acceptable offer.
JVV

From: Tom Householder 
Sent: Friday, July 31, 2020 4:04 PM
To: FOT List 
Cc: TR3 Triumphs 
Subject: [TR] Fwd: Triumphs Only, 40 year business, large inventory of cars and parts | eBay




  Begin forwarded message:

  From: Gil Sissons <gsissons at comcast.net>

  Subject: Triumphs Only, 40 year business, large inventory of cars and parts | eBay

  Date: July 31, 2020 at 10:36:03 AM EDT

  To: Tom Householder <trhouse at columbus.rr.com>


  Looks like Wayne has his collection back for sale on EBay.....
  FYI 
  Gil


  https://www.ebay.com/itm/Triumphs-Only-40-year-business-large-inventory-of-cars-and-parts-/193308184304


  Sent from my iPhone





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From controls at freelanceconsulting.net  Sun Jul 26 21:21:57 2020
From: controls at freelanceconsulting.net (Glenn A. Merrell)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:21:57 -0600
Subject: [TR] Randall Young
In-Reply-To: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
References: <000001d66140$e0828660$a1879320$@uprichard.net>
 <7f441e30ef43a08fb40608e52904c9da.squirrel@automate-it.com>
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Mark,
I will guess that is a valid concern. 

Many years ago Randall and I were working on a scan of the Stag ROM so it
could be word searched.  Randall had taken apart the ROM and also the Parts
catalog and had the ability to bulk scan them at work.

I think he did accomplish that but I never saw the result

Glenn Merrell?- StagByTriumph
aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)
Remember, ?the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the
paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen 
 with the occasional smell of
manure!?



-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Mark J
Bradakis
Sent: Saturday, July 25, 2020 9:08 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young

On 7/24/20 4:14 PM, Lee Daniels wrote:
> Randall's collection of online documents is legendary, and he shared them
> without hesitation. All of this Triumph documentation is on his shared
Google
> Drive, and I check it regularly for updates. I just checked, and the last
> couple of updates were in April. There are 169 files stored there, mostly
> scans and copies of official Triumph documentation. A great resource for
all
> things Triumph, from "T-62-10 Herald Rack & Pinion Plunger retainer
> replacement" to "Stag Soft Top Operation".


I wonder if that file collection is in danger of going away now that he 
has passed on.? Perhaps I should work on getting it alkl stashed on Team 
Net somewhere.

mjb.


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From controls at freelanceconsulting.net  Sun Jul 26 21:33:03 2020
From: controls at freelanceconsulting.net (Glenn A. Merrell)
Date: Sun, 26 Jul 2020 21:33:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies
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References: <5F253D0E-3933-48E9-A883-218E4788C758@cox.net>
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Frank,

Passport was used to Ship Uncle Jack - aka the TTA Stag driven 18k miles
around North America, to Phil Ethier.  They are first class - all their
transports are fully enclosed.

I had shipped a Stag for Wayne Simpson using an "open" contract carrier not
Passport, by the time it got to his place the starter and wiring to it were
burned up, the car was soaked inside, and there were probably other things
Wayne found long after getting the car in his garage.

One local Stag was shipped in an open transport from Ohio to Colorado  They
smashed the lower radiator shroud into the fan and seized the fan also into
the radiator during loading/unloading, later the owner unknowingly drove it
and it overheated - and of course the overheating took out the head gaskets
which was discovered when I replaced the damaged fan / torquatrol and  water
hoses, and more.  That car is now waiting for the owner to decide if he
wants the big job tackled - the car needs much more where the owner might
have been enjoying it and doing a rolling resto.

Glenn Merrell?
aka StagByTriumph Garage (now on FaceBook)
Remember, ?the BEST trophies are: Miles on the Odometer; Stone chips in the
paint; and DEAD BUGS on the windscreen 
 with the occasional smell of
manure!?




-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Frank
Magnusson
Sent: Sunday, July 26, 2020 2:23 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Car shipping companies

Does anyone have any recommendations on car shipping companies?  Good or bad
experiences? Open or closed ok.  May be shiping a TR from east coast to
midwest.

Thanks,
Frank



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From controls at freelanceconsulting.net  Tue Jul 28 10:56:43 2020
From: controls at freelanceconsulting.net (Glenn A. Merrell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 10:56:43 -0600
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re:  Randall Young)
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References: <afe833c5-a2fc-4214-8d17-7201f8186801@bradakis.com>
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Thanks Lee,

So Randall did actually archive many of the documents I had sent him,  I see
the Stag Repair, Dealer Prep and Repair Hours manuals are there, including
my marked up copy of Stag Cylinder head thickness, but my copy is a lot
clearer.

I do note that none of the Triumph Stag Service Information bulletins are
there.  I have most all of them scanned and thought I sent them to Randall
years ago, but do not recall if I OCR scanned them. I recall Randall was in
that process of OCR scanning them so they may be accessible somewhere.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Lee
Daniels
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 7:10 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Document archive (Re: Randall Young)

> Can someone please share the link to Randall's files.

Randall made these freely available, and had posted the link here before, I
think he'd want to make sure we maintain his collection. The shared folders
are here:

https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B2H2NJt34OffMDVmOTZlZWItYTcyMy00ZDhk
LTliOWEtOWU1OWRhNDZhYmRl?usp=sharing

You may need to have a Google Drive set up to see them, I'm not sure.

Cheers,
 Lee
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From controls at freelanceconsulting.net  Tue Jul 28 17:54:31 2020
From: controls at freelanceconsulting.net (Glenn A. Merrell)
Date: Tue, 28 Jul 2020 17:54:31 -0600
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak
In-Reply-To: <003701d664d2$dff6ede0$9fe4c9a0$@uprichard.net>
References: <F2B885D3-916F-4C1A-8E8C-121C1A1630FE.ref@yahoo.com>
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One practice I learned on my Rover V8 and Stag V8 jobs was to always use
some sort of liquid thread sealer on the bolt threads on an engine -
excepting head to exhaust manifold and spark plug threads which I use a MIL
spec conducting molybdenum antiseize, and the special Stag head studs also
get coated with the MIL spec moly.

For the Rover engines, a Teflon thread sealer is recommended on all engine
bolts as both a thread lubricant into aluminum but also as a sealer as most
of the holes go into an oil or water gallery.

The practice also works well in cast iron blocks and heads and is a simple
step after the very important step of chasing each hole with a bottoming tap
and blowing it out with air, to then lightly coat the threads with a Teflon
thread sealer.  I have found that the areas in Triumph Blocks recommending
fiber or copper sealing washers perform much better with a liquid Teflon
thread sealant added to the threads.

Glenn aka StagByTriumph

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of andrew
uprichard
Sent: Tuesday, July 28, 2020 5:33 AM
To: 'bill beecher'; 'Randall'
Subject: Re: [TR] Timing cover leak

Bill:  it needs something.  The books call for a fiber washer behind the
timing plate cover (Moss 324-680, TRF WF508) but I have been equally
successful with a felt washer in front - something you may be able to do
without too much difficulty.

Andrew

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Monday, July 27, 2020 11:39 PM
To: Randall <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Timing cover leak

Hello List,
Just set the TR3 motor in and fired up for the first time, there is a small
oil leak at that post that goes through the center of the timing cover,
behind the pulley.  I just had a nut and washer on it, should I have gone
with an o-ring or fiber washer?  20-20 hindsight, should have put something
behind it.  

Many thanks,
Bill


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