From notakitcar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 07:18:19 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:18:19 -0500 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speedo said 100, just trying to do the math to see if it was so. Freshly restored instruments. Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... On May 31, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: ? > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 4:35 PM bill beecher wrote: > Was at 4,000Rpm yesterday on the flat, open cab, didn?t check the windage. TR4 motor was still pulling, ran out of road. So were you doing 100? I have done 100 in the TR4 whilst overtaking but I was watching the road and not the instruments so no idea what the tach said (only knew about the 100 when I later checked the GPS trip summary). Geo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 07:18:19 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 08:18:19 -0500 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Speedo said 100, just trying to do the math to see if it was so. Freshly restored instruments. Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... On May 31, 2020, at 6:53 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: ? > On Sun, May 31, 2020 at 4:35 PM bill beecher wrote: > Was at 4,000Rpm yesterday on the flat, open cab, didn?t check the windage. TR4 motor was still pulling, ran out of road. So were you doing 100? I have done 100 in the TR4 whilst overtaking but I was watching the road and not the instruments so no idea what the tach said (only knew about the 100 when I later checked the GPS trip summary). Geo -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at mdmackay.ca Mon Jun 1 12:41:08 2020 From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 14:41:08 -0400 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc Message-ID: <8b014144ff5fc77ab89860904a5da0ad@mail.gmail.com> >Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:52:23 -0500 >From: bill beecher >Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc > >Came across this calculator with all the right input fields. But, I wonder how accurate it really is given the following input. >TR3 with a 3.7 rear, OD at redline of 5,000rpm. Vredestein 165R/15 tires, 25.4? diameter. Should be moving along at 124mph! > >https://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm > >Anyone get a different answer? >Bill Here (attached) is a spreadsheet that I wrote to calculate speed versus rpm given different parameters. I wrote it to check my speedo after I installed an HVDA transmission. If the spreadsheet doesn?t make it through the list as an attachment, just e-mail me directly and I?ll send it to you. With a standard Triumph gearbox + overdrive, and the parameters you gave, I calculate speed at 5000 rpm in top gear (with overdrive) as being 124.5 mph. Note that, I think that the tire diameter is 25.25?, slightly less than you indicated. I hasten to add that calculating a speed and believing it?s achievable are two different things! Regards, Dave MacKay 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L near Toronto, Canada -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: Triumph rpm to mph.xls Type: application/vnd.ms-excel Size: 45056 bytes Desc: not available URL: From HDRider570 at att.net Mon Jun 1 12:46:15 2020 From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 11:46:15 -0700 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc References: Message-ID: The factory claims 21 MPH per 1,000 RPM in 4th no OD for TR3 and TR4 with 165 x 15 tires. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk Mon Jun 1 13:24:50 2020 From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:24:50 +0100 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: <8b014144ff5fc77ab89860904a5da0ad@mail.gmail.com> References: <8b014144ff5fc77ab89860904a5da0ad@mail.gmail.com> Message-ID: <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> It?s important to remember that cars without overdrive had a higher axle ratio than those with it. As an example, the GT6+ had a 3.27 final drive for non overdrive and 3.89 for overdrive. Just to complicate things, it was entirely possible to order a 3.27 diff with overdrive on top! The factory never promoted this facility for fairly obvious reasons. My own GT6 mk 2 was supplied like that becxause I knew my way around the factory build books. Iit made an excellent cruiser with good fuel consumption but could not pull more than 4000 rpm, even downhill on a motorway. That said, refuelling was a little less frequent. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 1 Jun 2020, at 19:41, Dave MacKay wrote: > > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:52:23 -0500 > >From: bill beecher > >Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc > > > >Came across this calculator with all the right input fields. But, I wonder how accurate it really is given the following input. > >TR3 with a 3.7 rear, OD at redline of 5,000rpm. Vredestein 165R/15 tires, 25.4? diameter. Should be moving along at 124mph! > > > >https://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm > > > >Anyone get a different answer? > >Bill > > Here (attached) is a spreadsheet that I wrote to calculate speed versus rpm given different parameters. I wrote it to check my speedo after I installed an HVDA transmission. If the spreadsheet doesn?t make it through the list as an attachment, just e-mail me directly and I?ll send it to you. > > With a standard Triumph gearbox + overdrive, and the parameters you gave, I calculate speed at 5000 rpm in top gear (with overdrive) as being 124.5 mph. Note that, I think that the tire diameter is 25.25?, slightly less than you indicated. > > I hasten to add that calculating a speed and believing it?s achievable are two different things! > > Regards, > > Dave MacKay > 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L > near Toronto, Canada > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Mon Jun 1 14:36:11 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:36:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <8b014144ff5fc77ab89860904a5da0ad@mail.gmail.com> <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <1422539384.745397.1591043771601@mail.yahoo.com> That is true for cars that remain equipped as delivered.? However, many or most TR's were delivered without overdrive and many of us have since fitted overdrive transmission to our cars whilst keeping the stock (non-OD) differential.? I guess the short answer is: your mileage may vary. Cheers Dave -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney To: Dave MacKay Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jun 1, 2020 2:24 pm Subject: Re: [TR] RPM speed calc It?s important to remember that cars without overdrive had a higher axle ratio than those with it. As an example, the GT6+ had a 3.27 final drive for non overdrive and 3.89 for overdrive. Just to complicate things, it was entirely possible to order a 3.27 diff with overdrive on top! The factory never promoted this facility for fairly obvious reasons. My own GT6 mk 2 was supplied like that becxause I knew my way around the factory build books. Iit made an excellent cruiser with good fuel consumption but could not pull more than 4000 rpm, even downhill on a motorway. That said, refuelling was a little less frequent. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:Lord Uxbridge: ??By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? On 1 Jun 2020, at 19:41, Dave MacKay wrote: #yiv9085228339 #yiv9085228339 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv9085228339 #yiv9085228339 p.yiv9085228339MsoNormal, #yiv9085228339 li.yiv9085228339MsoNormal, #yiv9085228339 div.yiv9085228339MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9085228339 a:link, #yiv9085228339 span.yiv9085228339MsoHyperlink {color:#0563C1;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv9085228339 p.yiv9085228339MsoPlainText, #yiv9085228339 li.yiv9085228339MsoPlainText, #yiv9085228339 div.yiv9085228339MsoPlainText {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9085228339 span.yiv9085228339PlainTextChar {font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9085228339 span.yiv9085228339EmailStyle20 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv9085228339 .yiv9085228339MsoChpDefault {font-size:10.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv9085228339 div.yiv9085228339WordSection1 {}#yiv9085228339 >Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:52:23 -0500>From: bill beecher >Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc>?>Came across this calculator with all the right input fields.? But, I wonder how accurate it really is given the following input. >TR3 with a 3.7 rear, OD at redline of 5,000rpm.? Vredestein 165R/15 tires, 25.4? diameter.?? Should be moving along at 124mph!>?>https://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm>?>Anyone get a different answer? >Bill?Here (attached) is a spreadsheet that I wrote to calculate speed versus rpm given different parameters. I wrote it to check my speedo after I installed an HVDA transmission. If the spreadsheet doesn?t make it through the list as an attachment, just e-mail me directly and I?ll send it to you.?With a standard Triumph gearbox + overdrive, and the parameters you gave, I calculate speed at 5000 rpm in top gear (with overdrive) as being 124.5 mph. Note that, I think that the tire diameter is 25.25?, slightly less than you indicated.?I hasten to add that calculating a speed and believing it?s achievable are two different things!?Regards,?Dave MacKay1960 TR3A s/n 68639Lnear Toronto, Canada ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs ?http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From terryrs at comcast.net Mon Jun 1 15:48:30 2020 From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:48:30 -0400 (EDT) Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <8b014144ff5fc77ab89860904a5da0ad@mail.gmail.com> <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <1635809282.165951.1591048110816@connect.xfinity.com> For the longest time I was confused. ...Okay, several decades for those who are critical about exactness.... I was running an OD in my '3 and the speedometer read 80 mph. I forget the rpms. 3 or 3.5 thereabouts. Yet traffic on Hwy 93 still passed me by, despite that they didn't when I was driving 80 mph in my Tacoma. Discovery came when I'd rigged a electrical charger in the'3 so my wife can take her phone, then used it for my GPS on a Craigslist trip out of town. And lo and behold, when the car's speedometer said "80," the GPS rebutted saying "73" or thereabouts instead mph. For whatever it means, I gather I have a 4 speed differential leftover from when I swapped the 4 speed for an OD. I've decided it doesn't matter all that much to me. The real win is that the '59 TR3A is a now 61 year-old 4 cylinder car that can keep up with modern traffic. If I wanted to run a true '80' mph, I could without much difficulty. Actual question here: How many other cars from that vintage can keep up with traffic? Talking your basic 4 cylinders here. I'm particularly interested in the Porsche 356. Didn't it come stock with a 1600 cc engine? Terry Smith, '59 TR3A TS 58667 New Hampshire > On June 1, 2020 at 3:24 PM John Macartney wrote: > > It?s important to remember that cars without overdrive had a higher axle ratio than those with it. As an example, the GT6+ had a 3.27 final drive for non overdrive and 3.89 for overdrive. Just to complicate things, it was entirely possible to order a 3.27 diff with overdrive on top! The factory never promoted this facility for fairly obvious reasons. My own GT6 mk 2 was supplied like that becxause I knew my way around the factory build books. Iit made an excellent cruiser with good fuel consumption but could not pull more than 4000 rpm, even downhill on a motorway. That said, refuelling was a little less frequent. > > Jonmac > > At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: > Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? > Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > > > On 1 Jun 2020, at 19:41, Dave MacKay < dave at mdmackay.ca mailto:dave at mdmackay.ca > wrote: > > > > > > > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:52:23 -0500 > > > > >From: bill beecher > > > > >Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc > > > > > > > > > >Came across this calculator with all the right input fields. But, I wonder how accurate it really is given the following input. > > > > >TR3 with a 3.7 rear, OD at redline of 5,000rpm. Vredestein 165R/15 tires, 25.4? diameter. Should be moving along at 124mph! > > > > > > > > > >https://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm > > > > > > > > > >Anyone get a different answer? > > > > >Bill > > > > > > > > Here (attached) is a spreadsheet that I wrote to calculate speed versus rpm given different parameters. I wrote it to check my speedo after I installed an HVDA transmission. If the spreadsheet doesn?t make it through the list as an attachment, just e-mail me directly and I?ll send it to you. > > > > > > > > With a standard Triumph gearbox + overdrive, and the parameters you gave, I calculate speed at 5000 rpm in top gear (with overdrive) as being 124.5 mph. Note that, I think that the tire diameter is 25.25?, slightly less than you indicated. > > > > > > > > I hasten to add that calculating a speed and believing it?s achievable are two different things! > > > > > > > > Regards, > > > > > > > > Dave MacKay > > > > 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L > > > > near Toronto, Canada > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk > > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/terryrs at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 16:34:17 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:34:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <6FEA4302-7B1E-4EEF-B45A-2EB0037DFB22@yahoo.com> Thank you John, this is actually. Non-OD car with the 3.70 rear end. OD installed later in life by some PO. A very nice driving combo. Bill On Jun 1, 2020, at 2:36 PM, John Macartney wrote: ?It?s important to remember that cars without overdrive had a higher axle ratio than those with it. As an example, the GT6+ had a 3.27 final drive for non overdrive and 3.89 for overdrive. Just to complicate things, it was entirely possible to order a 3.27 diff with overdrive on top! The factory never promoted this facility for fairly obvious reasons. My own GT6 mk 2 was supplied like that becxause I knew my way around the factory build books. Iit made an excellent cruiser with good fuel consumption but could not pull more than 4000 rpm, even downhill on a motorway. That said, refuelling was a little less frequent. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 1 Jun 2020, at 19:41, Dave MacKay wrote: > > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:52:23 -0500 > >From: bill beecher > >Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc > > > >Came across this calculator with all the right input fields. But, I wonder how accurate it really is given the following input. > >TR3 with a 3.7 rear, OD at redline of 5,000rpm. Vredestein 165R/15 tires, 25.4? diameter. Should be moving along at 124mph! > > > >https://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm > > > >Anyone get a different answer? > >Bill > > Here (attached) is a spreadsheet that I wrote to calculate speed versus rpm given different parameters. I wrote it to check my speedo after I installed an HVDA transmission. If the spreadsheet doesn?t make it through the list as an attachment, just e-mail me directly and I?ll send it to you. > > With a standard Triumph gearbox + overdrive, and the parameters you gave, I calculate speed at 5000 rpm in top gear (with overdrive) as being 124.5 mph. Note that, I think that the tire diameter is 25.25?, slightly less than you indicated. > > I hasten to add that calculating a speed and believing it?s achievable are two different things! > > Regards, > > Dave MacKay > 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L > near Toronto, Canada > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 1 16:34:17 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:34:17 -0500 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <6FEA4302-7B1E-4EEF-B45A-2EB0037DFB22@yahoo.com> Thank you John, this is actually. Non-OD car with the 3.70 rear end. OD installed later in life by some PO. A very nice driving combo. Bill On Jun 1, 2020, at 2:36 PM, John Macartney wrote: ?It?s important to remember that cars without overdrive had a higher axle ratio than those with it. As an example, the GT6+ had a 3.27 final drive for non overdrive and 3.89 for overdrive. Just to complicate things, it was entirely possible to order a 3.27 diff with overdrive on top! The factory never promoted this facility for fairly obvious reasons. My own GT6 mk 2 was supplied like that becxause I knew my way around the factory build books. Iit made an excellent cruiser with good fuel consumption but could not pull more than 4000 rpm, even downhill on a motorway. That said, refuelling was a little less frequent. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 1 Jun 2020, at 19:41, Dave MacKay wrote: > > >Date: Sun, 31 May 2020 16:52:23 -0500 > >From: bill beecher > >Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc > > > >Came across this calculator with all the right input fields. But, I wonder how accurate it really is given the following input. > >TR3 with a 3.7 rear, OD at redline of 5,000rpm. Vredestein 165R/15 tires, 25.4? diameter. Should be moving along at 124mph! > > > >https://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm > > > >Anyone get a different answer? > >Bill > > Here (attached) is a spreadsheet that I wrote to calculate speed versus rpm given different parameters. I wrote it to check my speedo after I installed an HVDA transmission. If the spreadsheet doesn?t make it through the list as an attachment, just e-mail me directly and I?ll send it to you. > > With a standard Triumph gearbox + overdrive, and the parameters you gave, I calculate speed at 5000 rpm in top gear (with overdrive) as being 124.5 mph. Note that, I think that the tire diameter is 25.25?, slightly less than you indicated. > > I hasten to add that calculating a speed and believing it?s achievable are two different things! > > Regards, > > Dave MacKay > 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L > near Toronto, Canada > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From bk13 at earthlink.net Mon Jun 1 18:43:38 2020 From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 17:43:38 -0700 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: References: <61285E0C-FF09-4C39-9224-28C4275DC888@flash.net> Message-ID: Bill - Here is a 20 year old article that I wrote with all the math regarding TR6 tire sizes.? Note that this is an obsolete portion of the site that has not been cleaned out.? Most of the links are probably dead. http://www.sctoa.org/tech.htm Brian On 5/31/2020 2:52 PM, bill beecher wrote: > Came across this calculator with all the right input fields. ?But, I > wonder how accurate it really is given the following input. > TR3 with a 3.7 rear, OD at redline of 5,000rpm. ?Vredestein 165R/15 > tires, 25.4? diameter. ? Should be moving along at 124mph! > > https://wahiduddin.net/calc/calc_speed_rpm.htm > > Anyone get a different answer? > Bill > Serenity Now...... > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/bk13 at earthlink.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grglmn at gmail.com Mon Jun 1 19:39:52 2020 From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Mon, 1 Jun 2020 20:39:52 -0500 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc In-Reply-To: <1635809282.165951.1591048110816@connect.xfinity.com> References: <8b014144ff5fc77ab89860904a5da0ad@mail.gmail.com> <976FAEAF-D29B-4935-8C09-D4FA75A6BD9E@Ukpips.org.uk> <1635809282.165951.1591048110816@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: "Actual question here: How many other cars from that vintage can keep up with traffic? Talking your basic 4 cylinders here. I'm particularly interested in the Porsche 356. Didn't it come stock with a 1600 cc engine? Terry Smith," I have never owned one, but I have Road & Track's "On Porsche 1951-1967" 356s were built a long time in many flavors (though pales next to 911 variations). Most were 1600 CC, early cars were 1500, late were two liter. Many different specs and HP. But it looks like most all (similar to air cooled VWs) had short lower gears and tall upper gears. They also had 15" wheels, and probably about the same size tires as early TRs. Anyway, most all were geared between 19 and 21 miles per 1000 rpm, so 3500ish at 70. Not bad, have never driven one, so can't say if they felt relaxed or a little frenetic. Probably relaxed by the small car standards of the day, but frenetic compared to most any modern car. Greg Lemon TR250 J Type O/D 3.69 Nissan Diff -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 2 05:30:11 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:30:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch In-Reply-To: <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> Message-ID: <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well.? Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: andrew uprichard Cc: Keith Stewart ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard wrote: Bicycle brake cables????????. ?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?David Friedlander Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To:?Jim Henningsen Cc:?Keith Stewart ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch ?And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either.? ?On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen wrote: Same as mine.? Thanks.? After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim?From:?Michael Marr ? Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?Jim Henningsen ; Don Hiscock ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket.???MikeSent from my iPhone ? On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart wrote: ??Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well??Keith?From:?Jim Henningsen ? Sent:?May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To:?'Don Hiscock' ; 'Keith Stewart' Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3?? I don?t have them on my TR3A.? Thanks Jim Henningsen?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?Don Hiscock Sent:?Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact.? I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg??On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap.?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net???From:?DAVID MASSEY ? Sent:?May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To:?auprichard at uprichard.net;?daveg at online.no;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Yes.? My biggest question is where can I get those parts?? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather.? It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather.? I have neither.? 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URL: From keithstewart at bell.net Tue Jun 2 07:26:06 2020 From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 09:26:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch In-Reply-To: <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. Keith From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well. Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > To: andrew uprichard > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard > wrote: Bicycle brake cables????????. From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To: Jim Henningsen > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen > wrote: Same as mine. Thanks. After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim From: Michael Marr > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: Jim Henningsen >; Don Hiscock >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart > wrote: ? Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well? Keith From: Jim Henningsen > Sent: May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To: 'Don Hiscock' >; 'Keith Stewart' > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3? I don?t have them on my TR3A. Thanks Jim Henningsen From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact. I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart > wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap. Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; daveg at online.no ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Yes. My biggest question is where can I get those parts? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather. It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather. I have neither. 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URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 2 07:53:01 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 13:53:01 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch In-Reply-To: <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> Message-ID: <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> I think we morphed into bicycle cables.? Sorry. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch #yiv3149900071 #yiv3149900071 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv3149900071 #yiv3149900071 p.yiv3149900071MsoNormal, #yiv3149900071 li.yiv3149900071MsoNormal, #yiv3149900071 div.yiv3149900071MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv3149900071 a:link, #yiv3149900071 span.yiv3149900071MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3149900071 span {}#yiv3149900071 span.yiv3149900071apple-converted-space {}#yiv3149900071 .yiv3149900071MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv3149900071 div.yiv3149900071WordSection1 {}#yiv3149900071 Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. ?Keith ?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch ?I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well.? Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. ?Dave ? ?-----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: andrew uprichard Cc: Keith Stewart ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchI use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. ? On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard wrote: ?Bicycle brake cables????????.?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?David Friedlander Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To:?Jim Henningsen Cc:?Keith Stewart ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either.??On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen wrote: Same as mine.? Thanks.? After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim?From:?Michael Marr ? Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?Jim Henningsen ; Don Hiscock ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket.???MikeSent from my iPhone? On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart wrote: ??Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well??Keith?From:?Jim Henningsen ? Sent:?May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To:?'Don Hiscock' ; 'Keith Stewart' Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3?? I don?t have them on my TR3A.? Thanks Jim Henningsen?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?Don Hiscock Sent:?Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact.? I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg??On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap.?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net???From:?DAVID MASSEY ? Sent:?May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To:?auprichard at uprichard.net;?daveg at online.no;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Yes.? My biggest question is where can I get those parts?? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather.? It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather.? I have neither.? 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URL: From levilevi at comcast.net Tue Jun 2 08:56:44 2020 From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 08:56:44 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch In-Reply-To: <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> Message-ID: <42FD5BD0-47A5-480B-8F4F-B77568B9D50B@comcast.net> I was clearly talking about a TR6 when I wrote ?I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6.? > On Jun 2, 2020, at 7:26 AM, Keith Stewart wrote: > > Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. > > Keith > > From: DAVID MASSEY > > Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM > To: levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net > Cc: keithstewart at bell.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch > > I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well. Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Bud Rolofson > > To: andrew uprichard > > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net > Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm > Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch > > I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. > >> On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard > wrote: >> >> Bicycle brake cables????????. >> >> From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of David Friedlander >> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM >> To: Jim Henningsen > >> Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net >> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch >> >> And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either. >> >> On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen > wrote: >>> Same as mine. Thanks. After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim >>> >>> From: Michael Marr > >>> Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM >>> To: Keith Stewart > >>> Cc: Jim Henningsen >; Don Hiscock >; triumphs at autox.team.net >>> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch >>> >>> My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket. >>> >>> Mike >>> Sent from my iPhone >>> >>>> On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart > wrote: >>>> ? >>>> Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well? >>>> >>>> Keith >>>> >>>> From: Jim Henningsen > >>>> Sent: May 29, 2020 3:00 PM >>>> To: 'Don Hiscock' >; 'Keith Stewart' > >>>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net >>>> Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch >>>> >>>> Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3? I don?t have them on my TR3A. Thanks Jim Henningsen >>>> >>>> From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock >>>> Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM >>>> To: Keith Stewart > >>>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net >>>> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch >>>> >>>> Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact. I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping. >>>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg >>>> >>>> >>>> On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart > wrote: >>>>> Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap. >>>>> >>>>> Keith Stewart >>>>> keithstewart at bell.net >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> >>>>> From: DAVID MASSEY > >>>>> Sent: May 28, 2020 10:41 AM >>>>> To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; daveg at online.no ; triumphs at autox.team.net >>>>> Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch >>>>> >>>>> Yes. My biggest question is where can I get those parts? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather. It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather. I have neither. 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URL: From keithstewart at bell.net Tue Jun 2 09:01:20 2020 From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 11:01:20 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch In-Reply-To: <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I think we morphed into bicycle cables. Sorry. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well. Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > To: andrew uprichard > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard > wrote: Bicycle brake cables????????. From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To: Jim Henningsen > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen > wrote: Same as mine. Thanks. After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim From: Michael Marr > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: Jim Henningsen >; Don Hiscock >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart > wrote: ? Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well? Keith From: Jim Henningsen > Sent: May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To: 'Don Hiscock' >; 'Keith Stewart' > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3? I don?t have them on my TR3A. Thanks Jim Henningsen From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact. I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart > wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap. Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; daveg at online.no ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Yes. My biggest question is where can I get those parts? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather. It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather. I have neither. 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But this does: One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run.? As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet.? "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I.? Except that it didn't.? Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage.? At that point I wish it was forward hinged. BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch #yiv4343525328 #yiv4343525328 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv4343525328 #yiv4343525328 p.yiv4343525328MsoNormal, #yiv4343525328 li.yiv4343525328MsoNormal, #yiv4343525328 div.yiv4343525328MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv4343525328 a:link, #yiv4343525328 span.yiv4343525328MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv4343525328 span {}#yiv4343525328 span.yiv4343525328apple-converted-space {}#yiv4343525328 .yiv4343525328MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv4343525328 div.yiv4343525328WordSection1 {}#yiv4343525328 No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ? ?Keith ?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch ?I think we morphed into bicycle cables.? Sorry. ?Dave ? ?-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchAre we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners.?Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well.? Now I can release the cable from either side of the car.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: andrew uprichard Cc: Keith Stewart ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchI use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. ? On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:?Bicycle brake cables????????.?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?David Friedlander Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To:?Jim Henningsen Cc:?Keith Stewart ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either.??On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen wrote: Same as mine.? Thanks.? After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim?From:?Michael Marr ? Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?Jim Henningsen ; Don Hiscock ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket.???MikeSent from my iPhone? On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart wrote: ??Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well??Keith?From:?Jim Henningsen ? Sent:?May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To:?'Don Hiscock' ; 'Keith Stewart' Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3?? I don?t have them on my TR3A.? Thanks Jim Henningsen?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?Don Hiscock Sent:?Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact.? I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg??On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap.?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net???From:?DAVID MASSEY ? Sent:?May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To:?auprichard at uprichard.net;?daveg at online.no;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Yes.? My biggest question is where can I get those parts?? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather.? It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather.? I have neither.? 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URL: From keithstewart at bell.net Tue Jun 2 11:22:56 2020 From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 13:22:56 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <007e01d63902$74df7e10$5e9e7a30$@bell.net> Sounds like you were ahead of your time with that wireless bonnet release ? was it Bluetooth? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 12:59 PM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) True. But this does: One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run. As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet. "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I. Except that it didn't. Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage. At that point I wish it was forward hinged. BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I think we morphed into bicycle cables. Sorry. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well. Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > To: andrew uprichard > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard > wrote: Bicycle brake cables????????. From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To: Jim Henningsen > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen > wrote: Same as mine. Thanks. After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim From: Michael Marr > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: Jim Henningsen >; Don Hiscock >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart > wrote: ? Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well? Keith From: Jim Henningsen > Sent: May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To: 'Don Hiscock' >; 'Keith Stewart' > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3? I don?t have them on my TR3A. Thanks Jim Henningsen From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact. I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart > wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap. Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; daveg at online.no ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Yes. My biggest question is where can I get those parts? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather. It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather. I have neither. 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URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 2 12:31:38 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 18:31:38 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <007e01d63902$74df7e10$5e9e7a30$@bell.net> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> <007e01d63902$74df7e10$5e9e7a30$@bell.net> Message-ID: <518083595.1106401.1591122698065@mail.yahoo.com> No, it must have been Windows 7.? It did what it wanted when it wanted and not necessarily what I wanted. ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 12:22 pm Subject: RE: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) #yiv2530511428 #yiv2530511428 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv2530511428 #yiv2530511428 p.yiv2530511428MsoNormal, #yiv2530511428 li.yiv2530511428MsoNormal, #yiv2530511428 div.yiv2530511428MsoNormal {margin:0cm;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv2530511428 a:link, #yiv2530511428 span.yiv2530511428MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv2530511428 span {}#yiv2530511428 span.yiv2530511428apple-converted-space {}#yiv2530511428 span.yiv2530511428EmailStyle28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv2530511428 .yiv2530511428MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv2530511428 div.yiv2530511428WordSection1 {}#yiv2530511428 Sounds like you were ahead of your time with that wireless bonnet release ? was it Bluetooth? ?Keith ?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 12:59 PM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) ?True.? But this does: ?One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run.? As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet.? "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I.? Except that it didn't.? Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage.? At that point I wish it was forward hinged. ?BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. ?Dave ? ?-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchNo problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ??Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I think we morphed into bicycle cables.? Sorry.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchAre we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners.?Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well.? Now I can release the cable from either side of the car.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: andrew uprichard Cc: Keith Stewart ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchI use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. ? On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:?Bicycle brake cables????????.?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?David Friedlander Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To:?Jim Henningsen Cc:?Keith Stewart ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either.??On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen wrote: Same as mine.? Thanks.? After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim?From:?Michael Marr ? Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?Jim Henningsen ; Don Hiscock ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket.???MikeSent from my iPhone? On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart wrote: ??Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well??Keith?From:?Jim Henningsen ? Sent:?May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To:?'Don Hiscock' ; 'Keith Stewart' Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3?? I don?t have them on my TR3A.? Thanks Jim Henningsen?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?Don Hiscock Sent:?Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact.? I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg??On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap.?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net???From:?DAVID MASSEY ? Sent:?May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To:?auprichard at uprichard.net;?daveg at online.no;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Yes.? My biggest question is where can I get those parts?? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather.? It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather.? I have neither.? 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URL: From keithstewart at bell.net Tue Jun 2 13:05:01 2020 From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 15:05:01 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <518083595.1106401.1591122698065@mail.yahoo.com> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> <007e01d63902$74df7e10$5e9e7a30$@bell.net> <518083595.1106401.1591122698065@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <018c01d63910$b8e73b30$2ab5b190$@bell.net> Sounds like a teenager. I thought you TR was older than that. ? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 2:32 PM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) No, it must have been Windows 7. It did what it wanted when it wanted and not necessarily what I wanted. ;-) Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 12:22 pm Subject: RE: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) Sounds like you were ahead of your time with that wireless bonnet release ? was it Bluetooth? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 12:59 PM To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) True. But this does: One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run. As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet. "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I. Except that it didn't. Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage. At that point I wish it was forward hinged. BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I think we morphed into bicycle cables. Sorry. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well. Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > To: andrew uprichard > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard > wrote: Bicycle brake cables????????. From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To: Jim Henningsen > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen > wrote: Same as mine. Thanks. After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim From: Michael Marr > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: Jim Henningsen >; Don Hiscock >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart > wrote: ? Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well? Keith From: Jim Henningsen > Sent: May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To: 'Don Hiscock' >; 'Keith Stewart' > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3? I don?t have them on my TR3A. Thanks Jim Henningsen From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact. I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart > wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap. Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To: auprichard at uprichard.net ; daveg at online.no ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Yes. My biggest question is where can I get those parts? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather. It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather. I have neither. 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URL: From HDRider570 at att.net Tue Jun 2 13:27:03 2020 From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 12:27:03 -0700 Subject: [TR] RPM speed calc References: <8e6ee608-43c7-6486-64e3-98b8bad28427.ref@att.net> Message-ID: <8e6ee608-43c7-6486-64e3-98b8bad28427@att.net> All the TR series came with 3.89 ratio rear axles as stock. If you ordered the optional OD you could then order a optional 4.10 rear axle.? The 4.10 axle was not available without overdrive.? Not a popular option for the street, it really is only good for racing. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 2 15:23:04 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 21:23:04 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <018c01d63910$b8e73b30$2ab5b190$@bell.net> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> <007e01d63902$74df7e10$5e9e7a30$@bell.net> <518083595.1106401.1591122698065@mail.yahoo.com> <018c01d63910$b8e73b30$2ab5b190$@bell.net> Message-ID: <735379325.285648.1591132984605@mail.yahoo.com> It did an automatic update. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 2:05 pm Subject: RE: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) #yiv5877380423 #yiv5877380423 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv5877380423 #yiv5877380423 p.yiv5877380423MsoNormal, #yiv5877380423 li.yiv5877380423MsoNormal, #yiv5877380423 div.yiv5877380423MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv5877380423 a:link, #yiv5877380423 span.yiv5877380423MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv5877380423 span {}#yiv5877380423 span.yiv5877380423apple-converted-space {}#yiv5877380423 .yiv5877380423MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv5877380423 div.yiv5877380423WordSection1 {}#yiv5877380423 Sounds like a teenager. I thought you TR was older than that. ? ?Keith ?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 2:32 PM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) ?No, it must have been Windows 7.? It did what it wanted when it wanted and not necessarily what I wanted. ?;-) ?Dave ? ?-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 12:22 pm Subject: RE: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch)Sounds like you were ahead of your time with that wireless bonnet release ? was it Bluetooth??Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 12:59 PM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: TR Bonnets: (Was Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch)?True.? But this does:?One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run.? As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet.? "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I.? Except that it didn't.? Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage.? At that point I wish it was forward hinged.?BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchNo problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ??Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I think we morphed into bicycle cables.? Sorry.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchAre we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners.?Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well.? Now I can release the cable from either side of the car.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: andrew uprichard Cc: Keith Stewart ; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchI use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. ? On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:?Bicycle brake cables????????.?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?David Friedlander Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To:?Jim Henningsen Cc:?Keith Stewart ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either.??On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen wrote: Same as mine.? Thanks.? After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim?From:?Michael Marr ? Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?Jim Henningsen ; Don Hiscock ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket.???MikeSent from my iPhone? On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart wrote: ??Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well??Keith?From:?Jim Henningsen ? Sent:?May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To:?'Don Hiscock' ; 'Keith Stewart' Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3?? I don?t have them on my TR3A.? Thanks Jim Henningsen?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?Don Hiscock Sent:?Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact.? I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg??On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap.?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net???From:?DAVID MASSEY ? Sent:?May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To:?auprichard at uprichard.net;?daveg at online.no;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Yes.? My biggest question is where can I get those parts?? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather.? It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather.? I have neither.? 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URL: From HDRider570 at att.net Tue Jun 2 16:14:36 2020 From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 15:14:36 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR Axle ratio References: <7e276b2b-761a-f63d-52b9-0c31492ad710.ref@att.net> Message-ID: <7e276b2b-761a-f63d-52b9-0c31492ad710@att.net> I stand corrected, the factory stock ratio is 3.7 for TR2 thru TR6.? My main point was that the 4.10 ratio rear axle was not "Standard" with overdrive , as often has been stated, but an option when and only if the OD was ordered. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jun 2 16:05:36 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Tue, 2 Jun 2020 22:05:36 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net>, <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Done that...?......?.....Twice......?...??.Kinda hurts...???... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Triumphs on behalf of DAVID MASSEY Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:58 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) True. But this does: One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run. As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet. "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I. Except that it didn't. Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage. At that point I wish it was forward hinged. BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I think we morphed into bicycle cables. Sorry. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well. Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > To: andrew uprichard > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard > wrote: Bicycle brake cables????????. From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To: Jim Henningsen > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen > wrote: Same as mine. Thanks. After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim From: Michael Marr > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: Jim Henningsen >; Don Hiscock >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart > wrote: ? Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well? Keith From: Jim Henningsen > Sent: May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To: 'Don Hiscock' >; 'Keith Stewart' > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3? I don?t have them on my TR3A. Thanks Jim Henningsen From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact. I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart > wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap. Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To: auprichard at uprichard.net; daveg at online.no; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Yes. My biggest question is where can I get those parts? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather. It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather. I have neither. 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URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 2 18:49:21 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 00:49:21 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> Hurts the pocket book but it also hurts the pride.? Really embarrassing. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Henry A. Morrison To: DAVID MASSEY ; keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) #yiv2155192649 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Done that...?......?.....Twice......?...??.Kinda hurts...???... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Triumphs on behalf of DAVID MASSEY Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:58 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch)?True.? But this does: One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run.? As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet.? "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I.? Except that it didn't.? Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage.? At that point I wish it was forward hinged. BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets.??Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I think we morphed into bicycle cables.? Sorry.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ;levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchAre we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners.?Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well.? Now I can release the cable from either side of the car.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: andrew uprichard Cc: Keith Stewart ;triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchI use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away.? On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:?Bicycle brake cables????????.?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?David Friedlander Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To:?Jim Henningsen Cc:?Keith Stewart ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either.??On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen wrote: Same as mine.? Thanks.? After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim?From:?Michael Marr ? Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?Jim Henningsen ; Don Hiscock ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket.???MikeSent from my iPhone? On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart wrote: ??Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well??Keith?From:?Jim Henningsen ? Sent:?May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To:?'Don Hiscock' ; 'Keith Stewart' Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3?? I don?t have them on my TR3A.? Thanks Jim Henningsen?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?Don Hiscock Sent:?Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact.? I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg??On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap.?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net???From:?DAVID MASSEY ? Sent:?May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To:?auprichard at uprichard.net;?daveg at online.no;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Yes.? My biggest question is where can I get those parts?? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather.? It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather.? I have neither.? 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URL: From dos_gusanos at msn.com Tue Jun 2 18:52:25 2020 From: dos_gusanos at msn.com (Henry A. Morrison) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 00:52:25 +0000 Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> , <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Hurts when the bonnet bonks you on the head! That's what I remember......???.. Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:49 PM To: dos_gusanos at msn.com ; keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) Hurts the pocket book but it also hurts the pride. Really embarrassing. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Henry A. Morrison To: DAVID MASSEY ; keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) Done that...?......?.....Twice......?...??.Kinda hurts...???... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook ________________________________ From: Triumphs on behalf of DAVID MASSEY Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:58 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) True. But this does: One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run. As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet. "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I. Except that it didn't. Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage. At that point I wish it was forward hinged. BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets. ? Keith From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I think we morphed into bicycle cables. Sorry. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart > To: 'DAVID MASSEY' >; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners. Keith From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well. Now I can release the cable from either side of the car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson > To: andrew uprichard > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch I use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away. On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard > wrote: Bicycle brake cables????????. From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of David Friedlander Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To: Jim Henningsen > Cc: Keith Stewart >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either. On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen > wrote: Same as mine. Thanks. After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim From: Michael Marr > Sent: Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: Jim Henningsen >; Don Hiscock >; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket. Mike Sent from my iPhone On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart > wrote: ? Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well? Keith From: Jim Henningsen > Sent: May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To: 'Don Hiscock' >; 'Keith Stewart' > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3? I don?t have them on my TR3A. Thanks Jim Henningsen From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Don Hiscock Sent: Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To: Keith Stewart > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact. I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart > wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap. Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To: auprichard at uprichard.net; daveg at online.no; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch Yes. My biggest question is where can I get those parts? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather. It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather. I have neither. 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URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Tue Jun 2 18:57:37 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Wed, 3 Jun 2020 00:57:37 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1797885930.1255214.1591145857603@mail.yahoo.com> Mine was stopped by the windshield frame. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Henry A. Morrison To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net ; DAVID MASSEY Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 7:52 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) #yiv1382930480 P {margin-top:0;margin-bottom:0;}Hurts when the bonnet bonks you on the head!? That's what I remember......???.. Sent from Outlook From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 6:49 PM To: dos_gusanos at msn.com ; keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch)?Hurts the pocket book but it also hurts the pride.? Really embarrassing. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Henry A. Morrison To: DAVID MASSEY ; keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 5:05 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) Done that...?......?.....Twice......?...??.Kinda hurts...???... Cheers, Henry Morrison Sent from Outlook From: Triumphs on behalf of DAVID MASSEY Sent: Tuesday, June 2, 2020 10:58 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net ; levilevi at comcast.net ; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch)?True.? But this does: One day I was working on the TR3 and decided to take it around the block for a test run.? As I headed out I noticed that I had forgotten to latch the bonnet.? "No worries" I thought "the safety catch will keep it down for the trip around the block." says I.? Except that it didn't.? Due to a misalignment it didn't and I was barely doing 30 MPH when the bonnet came up and over breaking both hinges and doing about $1,000 worth of damage.? At that point I wish it was forward hinged. BTW I shifted the latch over about a 1/4 inch (.6mm) and it now actually does what it should. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 10:01 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch No problem. I just saw that the subject line was dealing with TR3s and an under dash bonnet release did not seem to fit with these bonnets.??Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 9:53 AM To: keithstewart at bell.net; levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I think we morphed into bicycle cables.? Sorry.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ;levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Tue, Jun 2, 2020 8:26 am Subject: RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchAre we still talking about TR3s here? The bonnet on the TR3 is rear-hinged unlike the TR4-6 range with their forward hinges. Any cable attached to the bonnet latch would hang down at the front of the engine. On the TR3, the forward edge of the bonnet is held down by the Dzus fasteners.?Keith?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: June 2, 2020 7:30 AM To: levilevi at comcast.net; auprichard at uprichard.net Cc: keithstewart at bell.net; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?I used a spare TR6 bonnet release cable to the passenger's foot well.? Now I can release the cable from either side of the car.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: Bud Rolofson To: andrew uprichard Cc: Keith Stewart ;triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, May 30, 2020 4:04 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latchI use a bicycle cable for an emergency bonnet release on my TR6. Directly from the lever on the latch to the passenger?s footwell where the nipple is hidden away.? On May 29, 2020, at 3:21 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:?Bicycle brake cables????????.?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?David Friedlander Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 4:20 PM To:?Jim Henningsen Cc:?Keith Stewart ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?And I don't think they make replacements for the internal ones, either.??On Fri, May 29, 2020, 3:37 PM Jim Henningsen wrote: Same as mine.? Thanks.? After all these years, still learning something new on a Triumph jim?From:?Michael Marr ? Sent:?Friday, May 29, 2020 3:12 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?Jim Henningsen ; Don Hiscock ;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?My 1960 TR3a has external handles and the cable inside the door pocket.???MikeSent from my iPhone? On May 29, 2020, at 14:09, Keith Stewart wrote: ??Didn?t the 3a go to a pull inside the door pocket and eventually exterior handles as well??Keith?From:?Jim Henningsen ? Sent:?May 29, 2020 3:00 PM To:?'Don Hiscock' ; 'Keith Stewart' Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?RE: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Are these door pulls just for small mouth TR3?? I don?t have them on my TR3A.? Thanks Jim Henningsen?From:?Triumphs ?On Behalf Of?Don Hiscock Sent:?Thursday, May 28, 2020 1:18 PM To:?Keith Stewart Cc:?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Here's Macy's door pull kit -- two of 'em, in fact.? I hand carried these to TR friends in the UK a couple of years ago, as Mark avoids the hassles around international shipping.https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-4cgcN9b/0/0c68a588/O/i-4cgcN9b.jpg??On Thu, May 28, 2020 at 12:03 PM Keith Stewart wrote: Can?t swear as to originality, but the ones on my 57 TR3 are leather on the outside but the leather encases a link chain ? with the latch shaft going through the end link and held in place by a nut while the end link at the other end is secured by a screw under the escutcheon for the outer leather strap.?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net???From:?DAVID MASSEY ? Sent:?May 28, 2020 10:41 AM To:?auprichard at uprichard.net;?daveg at online.no;?triumphs at autox.team.net Subject:?Re: [TR] TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch?Yes.? My biggest question is where can I get those parts?? Dave says the inner part is heavy gauge leather.? It looks like the outer is thinner, more supple leather.? I have neither.? 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Pineapple juice can with some sand and small parts sealed up with some duck tape and wrapped in a blanket. put in the dryer with a half load of clothes and tumble clean on air dry rusty bits. 1 to 2 hours works great. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: blanket.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 1394181 bytes Desc: not available URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Thu Jun 4 08:29:40 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 10:29:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] [Fot] Tumble cleaning In-Reply-To: <004001d63a7b$e729c0f0$b57d42d0$@klaenv.com> References: <004001d63a7b$e729c0f0$b57d42d0$@klaenv.com> Message-ID: <6905828C-290B-44BF-9BEB-547A336DC4F2@columbus.rr.com> Wife sits on the other side of the wall from the dryer. She never heard a thing !!!!!!! > On Jun 4, 2020, at 10:24 AM, Kenneth Knight wrote: > > So what is the mitigation for when your wife finds this running in ?her? dryer? That is the dangerous part! > > Ken > > From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces at autox.team.net ] On Behalf Of Tom Householder > Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 6:49 AM > To: FOT List > Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest > Subject: [Fot] Tumble cleaning > > Why I never thought of this before is beyond me.!!! > > Pineapple juice can with some sand and small parts sealed up with some duck tape and wrapped in a blanket. put in the dryer with a half load of clothes and tumble clean on air dry rusty bits. 1 to 2 hours works great. > > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Pineapple juice can with some sand and small parts sealed up with some duck tape and wrapped in a blanket. put in the dryer with a half load of clothes and tumble clean on air dry rusty bits. 1 to 2 hours works great. ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:01:43 +0000 Subject: [TR] Tires Message-ID: Hello All, I am mounting my new 15" x 5" Dayton wires on my 1959 TR3A. While I do favor Michelin tires in the 165-15 size we are leaning toward whitewalls. It looks like only Coker Classics or Coker BF Goodrich whitewalls are available in the 165-15 size. Has anyone had any experience with either one or have any suggestions for different manufacturers that offer whitewall tires? The Coker salesman said the Coker's were only warranted for 28,000 miles, the BFG's for 40,000 but the Michelin's for 70,000+. It will be many years before we accumulate 20,000+ miles on our TR3 so I am not too concerned over tread life but would like a radial that rides well, corners well, is safe, and has some rain performance in the event we are caught in weather somewhere. Any experiences with these tires and suggestions will be truly appreciated. 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Sent from my iPhone Steven O. Thornton Attorney at Law Thornton Law Office 1011 Lehman Avenue Bowling Green, KY. 42103 270-781-6630 On Jun 4, 2020, at 9:13 AM, Tom Householder wrote: ? Why I never thought of this before is beyond me.!!! Pineapple juice can with some sand and small parts sealed up with some duck tape and wrapped in a blanket. put in the dryer with a half load of clothes and tumble clean on air dry rusty bits. 1 to 2 hours works great. ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Jun 4 11:49:25 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:49:25 -0600 Subject: [TR] [Fot] Tumble cleaning In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2a97aee5-fabb-6cc6-09d2-9d45f107d889@dfn.com> On 6/4/2020 7:48 AM, Tom Householder wrote: > Why I never thought of this before is beyond me.!!! > > Pineapple juice can with some sand and small parts sealed up with some > duck tape and wrapped in a blanket. put in the dryer with a half load > of clothes ?and tumble clean on air dry rusty bits. ?1 to 2 hours > works great. One can avoid conflict with one's wives, partners, spouses, whatever by employing something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIdKqzWuDY Go to 52:28? in the above video to see what I mean.? This is a small version of what most small-piece manufacturers use on an industrial scale.? One might even be able to make a rudimentary version of this with a rubberized plastic bowl, a drive motor and an eccentric. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 11:51:39 2020 From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 17:51:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] [Fot] Tumble cleaning In-Reply-To: <2a97aee5-fabb-6cc6-09d2-9d45f107d889@dfn.com> References: <2a97aee5-fabb-6cc6-09d2-9d45f107d889@dfn.com> Message-ID: <1408696469.1847666.1591293099448@mail.yahoo.com> Just buy one at Harbor Freight.....they have several sizes and they are cheap. Chad in Tulsa On Thursday, June 4, 2020, 12:49:50 PM CDT, Michael Porter wrote: On 6/4/2020 7:48 AM, Tom Householder wrote: > Why I never thought of this before is beyond me.!!! > > Pineapple juice can with some sand and small parts sealed up with some > duck tape and wrapped in a blanket. put in the dryer with a half load > of clothes ?and tumble clean on air dry rusty bits. ?1 to 2 hours > works great. One can avoid conflict with one's wives, partners, spouses, whatever by employing something like this: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QJIdKqzWuDY Go to 52:28? in the above video to see what I mean.? This is a small version of what most small-piece manufacturers use on an industrial scale.? One might even be able to make a rudimentary version of this with a rubberized plastic bowl, a drive motor and an eccentric. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Jun 4 12:02:27 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 12:02:27 -0600 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <7345bf09-df8a-c076-61be-dee33e0e6891@dfn.com> On 6/4/2020 11:46 AM, Sujit Roy wrote: > I'm just?wondering?how the factory added options to cars. > Did the production?line have branches off the main line at certain > stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the > cars lifted off the line with some crane? In the days of Henry Ford, there weren't options, so it wasn't an issue.? As the business became more competitive, even the old fascist Ford had to admit that "any color, as long as it's black" wasn't going to work.? So, manufacturers came up with ways to accommodate the demand for options, and that was to create specialized bills of material for each car as it moved down the assembly line.? At first, by hand, and then by computer, the basic bill of materials would be adjusted--parts removed from the bill, other parts added--to make up the complete vehicle.? The vehicle didn't change its position on the line--but, the parts brought to each assembly station reflected what the build required at that instant. Eventually, smarter manufacturers learned that the system was closer to foolproof by creating so-called "add-only" bills at the design stage, where the vehicle became a truly basic shell to which particular options were then added.? That reduced errors in stocking and engineering, in that the basic shell was designed in such a way as to accept any option or combination of options offered. In terms of shuffling things around, that's mostly done by scheduling today, and mostly for paint considerations, since running black paint through the lines creates some problems for most assembly lines.? I'm sure John Macartney will chime in on this, since he has some amusing stories about when things go wrong with the bills of material and stocking. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From don.hiscock at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:24:26 2020 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 13:24:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958. Maybe this will give some insight into how things were done. It's clear S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too. John noted that customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer. Where options were added relate to how deep they're built into the car. Adjustable steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line. Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer. Don Saint Louis On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: > I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars. > Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages > and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted > off the line with some crane? > Sujit > > > -- > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 4 12:32:36 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:32:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: <7345bf09-df8a-c076-61be-dee33e0e6891@dfn.com> References: <7345bf09-df8a-c076-61be-dee33e0e6891@dfn.com> Message-ID: <987390171.1950099.1591295556347@mail.yahoo.com> Domestic manufacturers have been synchronizing the supply chain to the production schedule for many years.? Quite some time ago I worked for a company that acquired additional warehouse space that was formerly occupied buy a company that sequenced rear axles for the nearby Chrysler plant.? Many vehicles, trucks, for example, can be ordered with different rear axle options such as open vs limited slip or one of several gear ratio options.? This company would receive various shipments of axles of the available options and they would repalletize them to match the production schedule. Triumph didn't have many options and many, such as radios, were dealer installed.? But you could order the optional overdrive transmission or you could order wire wheels and these would be installed on the assembly line.? This usually worked well but sometimes it didn't.? John Macartney has an amusing story about this which I will let him tell as I probably couldn't do it justice. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Michael Porter To: Sujit Roy ; Triumphs Sent: Thu, Jun 4, 2020 1:02 pm Subject: Re: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options On 6/4/2020 11:46 AM, Sujit Roy wrote: > I'm just?wondering?how the factory added options to cars. > Did the production?line have branches off the main line at certain > stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the > cars lifted off the line with some crane? In the days of Henry Ford, there weren't options, so it wasn't an issue.? As the business became more competitive, even the old fascist Ford had to admit that "any color, as long as it's black" wasn't going to work.? So, manufacturers came up with ways to accommodate the demand for options, and that was to create specialized bills of material for each car as it moved down the assembly line.? At first, by hand, and then by computer, the basic bill of materials would be adjusted--parts removed from the bill, other parts added--to make up the complete vehicle.? The vehicle didn't change its position on the line--but, the parts brought to each assembly station reflected what the build required at that instant. Eventually, smarter manufacturers learned that the system was closer to foolproof by creating so-called "add-only" bills at the design stage, where the vehicle became a truly basic shell to which particular options were then added.? That reduced errors in stocking and engineering, in that the basic shell was designed in such a way as to accept any option or combination of options offered. In terms of shuffling things around, that's mostly done by scheduling today, and mostly for paint considerations, since running black paint through the lines creates some problems for most assembly lines.? I'm sure John Macartney will chime in on this, since he has some amusing stories about when things go wrong with the bills of material and stocking. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphstag at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:37:50 2020 From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 11:37:50 -0700 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Thanks,. The forth photo on the right hand side looks like there is Standard 10 Pennant. I recognize the chrome strip. My mother drive one. I recall it was build in '57. Sujit On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 11:24 AM Don Hiscock wrote: > Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958. > Maybe this will give some insight into how things were done. It's clear > S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg > > Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional > customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across > the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too. John noted > that customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, > off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer. Where options > were added relate to how deep they're built into the car. Adjustable > steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line. > Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the > dealer. > > Don > Saint Louis > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: > >> I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars. >> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages >> and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted >> off the line with some crane? >> Sujit >> >> >> -- >> Sujit Roy >> Cupertino, California >> >> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >> > -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Windscreen washers and mirrors, > for example, were usually done by the dealer. > Even into the `80s, this was still being done, to a degree, by notable manufacturers such as Toyota, although it was for purposes of economy of shipping.? Before Toyota began investing in plants in the U.S., the cars came to the U.S. on Toyota's own fleet of ships which were equipped with hydraulically positioned decks. The cars were chained down to pots in the deck, the tires inflated to ~ 80 psi, which locked them in place.? Then the upper deck was brought down to about an inch above the car roofs and filled with another layer of identical models. One might realize that this method obviated the ability to install things that stick up and out--radio antennae, roof racks, fancy non-standard wheels and tires, etc.? The ship pulled up at the port, the drivers boarded the ship on foot with a special half-gallon gas can, grabbed the nearest cars. fueled them and drove them down the ramp at the front of the ship to a holding area, where they were tagged with work order to install all the equipment that didn't fit.? From there, they went to long sheds where assemblers fitted them out.? All that was done at the port before the cars went onto over-the-road or rail transport. Pretty neat, because when the ships were empty, they backtracked to the Gulf of Mexico ports to which they'd dropped off cars, to pick up fresh fruits and vegetables, made possible by the adjustable decks and by refrigerating the ships.? The ships were full coming and going. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From deruiterville at hotmail.com Thu Jun 4 12:46:17 2020 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:46:17 +0000 Subject: [TR] Tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I was very happy with the Coker Classics on our TR3A, definitely not a performance tire but it was a smooth and quiet on the road and balanced easily. They aged out before the mileage limit was hit, but I'd consider using them again. Randy ________________________________ From: Triumphs on behalf of Reihing, Randall S. Sent: Thursday, June 4, 2020 11:01 AM To: Triumphs ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tires Hello All, I am mounting my new 15" x 5" Dayton wires on my 1959 TR3A. While I do favor Michelin tires in the 165-15 size we are leaning toward whitewalls. It looks like only Coker Classics or Coker BF Goodrich whitewalls are available in the 165-15 size. Has anyone had any experience with either one or have any suggestions for different manufacturers that offer whitewall tires? The Coker salesman said the Coker's were only warranted for 28,000 miles, the BFG's for 40,000 but the Michelin's for 70,000+. It will be many years before we accumulate 20,000+ miles on our TR3 so I am not too concerned over tread life but would like a radial that rides well, corners well, is safe, and has some rain performance in the event we are caught in weather somewhere. Any experiences with these tires and suggestions will be truly appreciated. Sincerely, Randall Reihing 1959 TR3A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... 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On top of that, the destination market kicked in a whole raft of other fixtures and fittings such as low comp engines, heavy duty suspension, wiring loom types and fuse boxes, varying radiator sizes, fans, lighting that was left/right/vertical dip with white or yellow bulbs, under bonnet stickers in umpteen languages, ditto instruction books. That stuff was endless but it was all computer coded with the facility to override certain features. All this was done as the car went down the line. Things like radios, door/wing mirrors, extra lamps, mud flaps were fitted by the selling dealer. Every now and again, an oddball car went down the line that was the result of a miscoding error by production control. I can personally attest to having seen: Triumph Toledo with two doors on one side and one on the other A Herald with a LHD instrument panel and steering wheel with a RHD pedal layout A Spitfire with wire wheels on the front, disc wheels on the back and one of each type and both fitted with a whitewall tyre in the boot as a spare. Happy days Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 4 Jun 2020, at 18:46, Sujit Roy wrote: > > I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars. > Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off the line with some crane? > Sujit > > > -- > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk Thu Jun 4 12:52:14 2020 From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 19:52:14 +0100 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8026BB5C-6528-477C-98B9-CDDAFB3A1DF2@Ukpips.org.uk> Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a legal requirement in most world markets and for those countries that didn?t specify them, they got them anyway. A normal line fitted item. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:24, Don Hiscock wrote: > > Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958. Maybe this will give some insight into how things were done. It's clear S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg > > Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too. John noted that customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer. Where options were added relate to how deep they're built into the car. Adjustable steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line. Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer. > > Don > Saint Louis > > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: >> I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars. >> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off the line with some crane? >> Sujit >> >> >> -- >> Sujit Roy >> Cupertino, California >> >> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.hiscock at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 13:12:57 2020 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 14:12:57 -0500 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: <8026BB5C-6528-477C-98B9-CDDAFB3A1DF2@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <8026BB5C-6528-477C-98B9-CDDAFB3A1DF2@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: John, I've thought about, and laughed, at your memory of that "three door" Toledo, the right-left Herald, and the wire-disk Spit. Truly funny. Knowing how eager S-T were to sell car, I'd be willing to bet at least two of those were sold on. Heck, maybe all three. Sidescreen TRs in the US have all kinds of variations in windscreen washers. Some never had their dash blanking panel pierced for where a switch usually went. I'd have believed all cars got nozzles mounted to the scuttle, but I didn't know all cars got washers. The 1956 09 S-T accessories brochure still shows windscreen washers as an option, but they note even then they were rapidly becoming an essential. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vncLKFm/1/3100b418/O/i-vncLKFm.jpg BR, Don On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:52 PM John Macartney wrote: > Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a legal requirement in most > world markets and for those countries that didn?t specify them, they got > them anyway. A normal line fitted item. > > Jonmac > > At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: > Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? > Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > > > On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:24, Don Hiscock wrote: > > Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958. > Maybe this will give some insight into how things were done. It's clear > S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg > > Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional > customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across > the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too. John noted > that customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, > off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer. Where options > were added relate to how deep they're built into the car. Adjustable > steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line. > Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the > dealer. > > Don > Saint Louis > > > On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: > >> I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars. >> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages >> and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted >> off the line with some crane? >> Sujit >> >> >> -- >> Sujit Roy >> Cupertino, California >> >> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trguy75 at gmail.com Thu Jun 4 14:28:43 2020 From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 16:28:43 -0400 Subject: [TR] Tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <0ab201d63aae$be170af0$3a4520d0$@gmail.com> I have the Cokers on two of my Trs and no problems. Jim Henningsen From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Reihing, Randall S. Sent: Thursday, June 04, 2020 12:02 PM To: Triumphs ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tires Hello All, I am mounting my new 15" x 5" Dayton wires on my 1959 TR3A. While I do favor Michelin tires in the 165-15 size we are leaning toward whitewalls. It looks like only Coker Classics or Coker BF Goodrich whitewalls are available in the 165-15 size. Has anyone had any experience with either one or have any suggestions for different manufacturers that offer whitewall tires? The Coker salesman said the Coker's were only warranted for 28,000 miles, the BFG's for 40,000 but the Michelin's for 70,000+. It will be many years before we accumulate 20,000+ miles on our TR3 so I am not too concerned over tread life but would like a radial that rides well, corners well, is safe, and has some rain performance in the event we are caught in weather somewhere. Any experiences with these tires and suggestions will be truly appreciated. Sincerely, Randall Reihing 1959 TR3A -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: IMG_9209.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 3473655 bytes Desc: not available URL: From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk Thu Jun 4 15:52:28 2020 From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 22:52:28 +0100 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: References: <8026BB5C-6528-477C-98B9-CDDAFB3A1DF2@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <3573AB15-C9DE-4C10-AA86-5D988DCF49BB@Ukpips.org.uk> Don, I do know the Herald and the Toledo went in the crusher. The cost of rectifying the Herald exceeded the cost of materials and direct labour to make it. The Toledo as well. With a spot welded monocoque body done in a jig, you don?t have much choice but to throw it out. The Spitfire is a slightly longer story. It escaped from the factory as it had been built and even got through the pre delivery check at the selling dealer. Reason? The dealer only got five pounds to do the check so released the car to the customer AND charged him for the wire wheels he hadn?t ordered and didn?t want with the promise they would sort it out at the free first service at 1000 miles. Two days later, customer turns up at BL Head office seeking to tell the CEO what he thought. I was the CEOs PA for consumer issues so it fell to me to sort it all out. He took me downstairs to see the car and I was so amazed to see it as it was, that I laughed. Not a good idea because the owner was more than piddled off and he hit me so hard on the jaw, I landed on the pavement. I got it all sorted out (the car) very quickly and customer was happy to have three months free fuel as a goodwill gesture. Fast forward forty years to my time at the BMIHT museum and I met the owner again gazing wistfully at the last Spitfire off the line and we started chatting. Didn?t take too long to realise this was the guy who had hit me. Once reacquainted, He insisted on buying me a slap up lunch that very day and we departed in his version of the worlds most popular taxi (Mercedes) thoiugh to be fair, it wasn?t a 2400cc diesel. We had a truly great afternoon and I returned to work well fed and even more well lubricated at about 4.30pm. However, explaining my absence to an irate female Managing Director about my tardiness did nothing to convince her I was being truthful. That?s why I?m SO glad I no longer have anything to do with the motor industry any more. It was fun in those days, but not now. Different people, different ethos and product that in most cases is boringly reliable, too well made and can only be worked on with a diagnostic plug. Cheers, John At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 4 Jun 2020, at 20:12, Don Hiscock wrote: > > John, I've thought about, and laughed, at your memory of that "three door" Toledo, the right-left Herald, and the wire-disk Spit. Truly funny. Knowing how eager S-T were to sell car, I'd be willing to bet at least two of those were sold on. Heck, maybe all three. > > Sidescreen TRs in the US have all kinds of variations in windscreen washers. Some never had their dash blanking panel pierced for where a switch usually went. I'd have believed all cars got nozzles mounted to the scuttle, but I didn't know all cars got washers. > > The 1956 09 S-T accessories brochure still shows windscreen washers as an option, but they note even then they were rapidly becoming an essential. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vncLKFm/1/3100b418/O/i-vncLKFm.jpg > > BR, > > Don > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:52 PM John Macartney wrote: >> Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a legal requirement in most world markets and for those countries that didn?t specify them, they got them anyway. A normal line fitted item. >> >> Jonmac >> >> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: >> Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? >> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? >> >> >>> On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:24, Don Hiscock wrote: >>> >>> Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958. Maybe this will give some insight into how things were done. It's clear S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too. >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg >>> >>> Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too. John noted that customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer. Where options were added relate to how deep they're built into the car. Adjustable steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line. Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer. >>> >>> Don >>> Saint Louis >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: >>>> I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars. >>>> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off the line with some crane? >>>> Sujit >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sujit Roy >>>> Cupertino, California >>>> >>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ >>>> >>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Thu Jun 4 17:13:43 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Thu, 4 Jun 2020 18:13:43 -0500 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: <3573AB15-C9DE-4C10-AA86-5D988DCF49BB@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <3573AB15-C9DE-4C10-AA86-5D988DCF49BB@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <8C41FDFF-5510-4535-9499-845CE084D45C@yahoo.com> John/Don, John, Lovely account, thank you for sharing. But, please tell me: What is a wire-disk Spit? Don, great pictures are there links to more? All the best, Bill B On Jun 4, 2020, at 5:02 PM, John Macartney wrote: ?Don, I do know the Herald and the Toledo went in the crusher. The cost of rectifying the Herald exceeded the cost of materials and direct labour to make it. The Toledo as well. With a spot welded monocoque body done in a jig, you don?t have much choice but to throw it out. The Spitfire is a slightly longer story. It escaped from the factory as it had been built and even got through the pre delivery check at the selling dealer. Reason? The dealer only got five pounds to do the check so released the car to the customer AND charged him for the wire wheels he hadn?t ordered and didn?t want with the promise they would sort it out at the free first service at 1000 miles. Two days later, customer turns up at BL Head office seeking to tell the CEO what he thought. I was the CEOs PA for consumer issues so it fell to me to sort it all out. He took me downstairs to see the car and I was so amazed to see it as it was, that I laughed. Not a good idea because the owner was more than piddled off and he hit me so hard on the jaw, I landed on the pavement. I got it all sorted out (the car) very quickly and customer was happy to have three months free fuel as a goodwill gesture. Fast forward forty years to my time at the BMIHT museum and I met the owner again gazing wistfully at the last Spitfire off the line and we started chatting. Didn?t take too long to realise this was the guy who had hit me. Once reacquainted, He insisted on buying me a slap up lunch that very day and we departed in his version of the worlds most popular taxi (Mercedes) thoiugh to be fair, it wasn?t a 2400cc diesel. We had a truly great afternoon and I returned to work well fed and even more well lubricated at about 4.30pm. However, explaining my absence to an irate female Managing Director about my tardiness did nothing to convince her I was being truthful. That?s why I?m SO glad I no longer have anything to do with the motor industry any more. It was fun in those days, but not now. Different people, different ethos and product that in most cases is boringly reliable, too well made and can only be worked on with a diagnostic plug. Cheers, John At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 4 Jun 2020, at 20:12, Don Hiscock wrote: > > John, I've thought about, and laughed, at your memory of that "three door" Toledo, the right-left Herald, and the wire-disk Spit. Truly funny. Knowing how eager S-T were to sell car, I'd be willing to bet at least two of those were sold on. Heck, maybe all three. > > Sidescreen TRs in the US have all kinds of variations in windscreen washers. Some never had their dash blanking panel pierced for where a switch usually went. I'd have believed all cars got nozzles mounted to the scuttle, but I didn't know all cars got washers. > > The 1956 09 S-T accessories brochure still shows windscreen washers as an option, but they note even then they were rapidly becoming an essential. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-vncLKFm/1/3100b418/O/i-vncLKFm.jpg > > BR, > > Don > >> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 1:52 PM John Macartney wrote: >> Small correction, Don. Screen washers were a legal requirement in most world markets and for those countries that didn?t specify them, they got them anyway. A normal line fitted item. >> >> Jonmac >> >> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: >> Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? >> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? >> >> >>> On 4 Jun 2020, at 19:24, Don Hiscock wrote: >>> >>> Here's what part of the Coventry production lines looked like in 1958. Maybe this will give some insight into how things were done. It's clear S-T campaigned body colors, and possibly interior colors too. >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Zq7NRxF/0/3dfea902/O/i-Zq7NRxF.jpg >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-3c968hL/0/e52b3d42/O/i-3c968hL.jpg >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-n5fdGBR/0/48115ef0/O/i-n5fdGBR.jpg >>> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-9RpSbmS/0/9d49a652/O/i-9RpSbmS.jpg >>> >>> Jonmac and I were having an email conversation about some of the regional customization the other day (around lighting regulation differences across the continent in the day) that might be relevant here, too. John noted that customization could be done in line production, in Sales Conversion, off-line before dispatch by train, or by the selling dealer. Where options were added relate to how deep they're built into the car. Adjustable steering on a sidescreen car would obviously be done on the line. Windscreen washers and mirrors, for example, were usually done by the dealer. >>> >>> Don >>> Saint Louis >>> >>> >>>> On Thu, Jun 4, 2020 at 12:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: >>>> I'm just wondering how the factory added options to cars. >>>> Did the production line have branches off the main line at certain stages and then they would merge back on the main line? Or were the cars lifted off the line with some crane? >>>> Sujit >>>> >>>> >>>> -- >>>> Sujit Roy >>>> Cupertino, California >>>> >>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ >>>> >>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >>>> >>>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >>>> >>>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >>> >>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >>> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >>> >>> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From McGaheyRx at aol.com Fri Jun 5 12:29:50 2020 From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 14:29:50 -0400 Subject: [TR] Thank You In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I?m perplexed that you received positive responses concerning Coker tires - I can only assume these apply only to tire sizes fitted to side screen TRs. Coker redlines intended for TR6s are some of the worst tires ever made and I?m just surprised Coker has any positive reputation left among Triumph owners. Obviously YMMV. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone > On Jun 4, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Reihing, Randall S. wrote: > > ? > Jim, George and Randy, > > Thank you for sharing your experiences with Coker tires. Looks like that will be my first choice. Planning on purchasing tomorrow. > > Thank you, > Randall Reihing > 1959 TR3A > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx at aol.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trguy75 at gmail.com Fri Jun 5 13:39:34 2020 From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 15:39:34 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 Uprated u joints Message-ID: <0cfe01d63b71$0b8e59b0$22ab0d10$@gmail.com> Does anyone remember the part number for the Neapco upgraded u-joints for the TR6 and where I can get them? The Diablo TR6 project is about to begin! New JK Jackson comp motor, transmission, and Nissan 4.10:1 lsd diff. May the burnout be with me! Cheers, Jim Henningsen Ocala, FL 61 TR3A 62 TR4 75 TR6 81 TR8 From keithstewart at bell.net Fri Jun 5 14:22:24 2020 From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 16:22:24 -0400 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: <8C41FDFF-5510-4535-9499-845CE084D45C@yahoo.com> References: <3573AB15-C9DE-4C10-AA86-5D988DCF49BB@Ukpips.org.uk> <8C41FDFF-5510-4535-9499-845CE084D45C@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <03a801d63b77$06cb44a0$1461cde0$@bell.net> Pretty clear when you read the description of the car. Wire ? two wire wheels Disk ? two disc wheels Spit ? Spitfire car Hence, Wire-dsik Spit. ? Keith John, Lovely account, thank you for sharing. But, please tell me: What is a wire-disk Spit? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Fri Jun 5 18:02:49 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 00:02:49 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: <03a801d63b77$06cb44a0$1461cde0$@bell.net> References: <3573AB15-C9DE-4C10-AA86-5D988DCF49BB@Ukpips.org.uk> <8C41FDFF-5510-4535-9499-845CE084D45C@yahoo.com> <03a801d63b77$06cb44a0$1461cde0$@bell.net> Message-ID: <1282025540.54306.1591401769597@mail.yahoo.com> More like a Wire-Disc-BrokeJaw-Spit. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'bill beecher' ; 'John Macartney' Cc: 'Triumphs' Sent: Fri, Jun 5, 2020 3:22 pm Subject: Re: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options Pretty clear when you read the description of the car.Wire ? two wire wheelsDisk ? two disc wheelsSpit ? Spitfire car ?Hence, Wire-dsik Spit. ? ?Keith ? ? ?John, Lovely account, thank you for sharing. ?But, please tell me: What is a wire-disk Spit? ? ?** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Fri Jun 5 20:27:09 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Fri, 5 Jun 2020 21:27:09 -0500 Subject: [TR] How did the factory add on factory options In-Reply-To: <03a801d63b77$06cb44a0$1461cde0$@bell.net> References: <03a801d63b77$06cb44a0$1461cde0$@bell.net> Message-ID: Actually a mental picture of some type of a hybrid wheel, disk with wire inserts came to mind. Not pretty. Bill Serenity Now...... On Jun 5, 2020, at 3:22 PM, Keith Stewart wrote: ? Pretty clear when you read the description of the car. Wire ? two wire wheels Disk ? two disc wheels Spit ? Spitfire car Hence, Wire-dsik Spit. ? Keith John, Lovely account, thank you for sharing. But, please tell me: What is a wire-disk Spit? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From smithw1 at optonline.net Sat Jun 6 14:27:17 2020 From: smithw1 at optonline.net (William Smith) Date: Sat, 06 Jun 2020 16:27:17 -0400 Subject: [TR] Thank you Message-ID: Randall, I had the same reaction as Jack.? While I have no direct experience with Coker tires, some of my American Iron acquaintances have also mentioned that Coker tires are awful.Buyer beware, and good luck,?Bill SmithSent from my Verizon, Samsung Galaxy smartphone -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sat Jun 6 14:28:34 2020 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 16:28:34 -0400 Subject: [TR] Randall Young Message-ID: <002501d63c41$0edccae0$2c9660a0$@uprichard.net> This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting better". I immediately called and his wife answered. She wanted me to tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly recovering from a very serious non-Covid illness. He cannot have visitors or use the phone, so he had his wife answer my earlier text asking how he was doing. I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many people would want to wish him well - but his wife said she would have to ask him first. I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs needing his help ! 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Geo On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:28 PM andrew uprichard wrote: > This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: > > > > *I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting > better". I immediately called and his wife answered. She wanted me to > tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly recovering from a very > serious non-Covid illness. He cannot have visitors or use the phone, so he > had his wife answer my earlier text asking how he was doing. * > > > > *I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many > people would want to wish him well - but his wife said she would have to > ask him first. I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he > will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs > needing his help !* > > > > Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please pray > for him to be recovered soon. I believe it will be very helpful for him.? > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > Jackson, Michigan > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: wGeo&Randall.JPG Type: image/jpeg Size: 271171 bytes Desc: not available URL: From yellowtr at adelphia.net Sat Jun 6 16:36:42 2020 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 18:36:42 -0400 Subject: [TR] Randall Young In-Reply-To: References: <002501d63c41$0edccae0$2c9660a0$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <6b98519d-31ac-c00d-691b-f4a262f28c56@adelphia.net> Thanks for sharing the photo. I it nice to attach a face to an name. God speed Randall. Bob On 6/6/20 6:06 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > Andrew - > > Thanks for the update.? The news is not too bad for those our age -- > sometimes 'getting better' is all we can hope for as the years catch > up with us. > > For those who have not personally met Randall... I am the old geezer > on the left, Randall is the Young man on the right. > > wGeo&Randall.JPG > > We were driving our TRs up to Laughlin that day. > > I think the ladies behind us were discussing DOT4 vs DOT5 - we wisely > stayed out of it. > > Geo > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:28 PM andrew uprichard > > wrote: > > This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: > > /I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting > better".? I immediately called and his wife answered.? She wanted > me to tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly > recovering from a very serious non-Covid illness.? He cannot have > visitors or use the phone, so he had his wife answer my earlier > text asking how he was doing. / > > // > > /I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as > so many people would want to wish him well -? but his wife said > she would have to ask him first.? I asked her to tell him we are > all hoping and praying he will make a full and speedy recovery, as > there were a lot of Triumphs needing his help !/ > > // > > Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please > pray for him to be recovered soon.? 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Name: wGeo Type: image/png Size: 271171 bytes Desc: not available URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sat Jun 6 17:24:50 2020 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 19:24:50 -0400 Subject: [TR] Randall Young In-Reply-To: References: <002501d63c41$0edccae0$2c9660a0$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <002201d63c59$ae0ef4e0$0a2cdea0$@uprichard.net> GREAT picture (of Randall, that is??..) ? Andrew From: Geo Hahn Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 6:06 PM To: andrew uprichard Cc: TR3 Triumphs ; Randall Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young Andrew - Thanks for the update. The news is not too bad for those our age -- sometimes 'getting better' is all we can hope for as the years catch up with us. For those who have not personally met Randall... I am the old geezer on the left, Randall is the Young man on the right. We were driving our TRs up to Laughlin that day. I think the ladies behind us were discussing DOT4 vs DOT5 - we wisely stayed out of it. Geo On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:28 PM andrew uprichard > wrote: This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting better". I immediately called and his wife answered. She wanted me to tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly recovering from a very serious non-Covid illness. He cannot have visitors or use the phone, so he had his wife answer my earlier text asking how he was doing. I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many people would want to wish him well - but his wife said she would have to ask him first. I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs needing his help ! Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please pray for him to be recovered soon. I believe it will be very helpful for him.? Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119442 bytes Desc: not available URL: From Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu Sat Jun 6 20:17:13 2020 From: Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu (Reihing, Randall S.) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 02:17:13 +0000 Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Randall Young In-Reply-To: <002201d63c59$ae0ef4e0$0a2cdea0$@uprichard.net> References: <002501d63c41$0edccae0$2c9660a0$@uprichard.net> , <002201d63c59$ae0ef4e0$0a2cdea0$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: Andrew, Great news that Randall Young is alive and recovering from whatever it is he is battling. Nice photo of Randall and Geo. If Randall's wife can create a new gmail address specifically for sending Randall best wishes for a speedy recovery it might perk him up to read messages from those of us that miss him online and have come to rely on his depth of knowledge in all things Triumph. Hoping to soon see his posts once again. Sincerely, Randall Reihing 1959 TR3A 1960 TR3A ________________________________ From: Triumphs on behalf of andrew uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:24 PM To: 'Geo Hahn' Cc: 'TR3 Triumphs' ; 'Randall' Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Randall Young GREAT picture (of Randall, that is??..) ?? Andrew From: Geo Hahn Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 6:06 PM To: andrew uprichard Cc: TR3 Triumphs ; Randall Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young Andrew - Thanks for the update. The news is not too bad for those our age -- sometimes 'getting better' is all we can hope for as the years catch up with us. For those who have not personally met Randall... I am the old geezer on the left, Randall is the Young man on the right. [cid:image001.jpg at 01D63C38.25E1ABB0] We were driving our TRs up to Laughlin that day. I think the ladies behind us were discussing DOT4 vs DOT5 - we wisely stayed out of it. Geo On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:28 PM andrew uprichard > wrote: This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting better". I immediately called and his wife answered. She wanted me to tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly recovering from a very serious non-Covid illness. He cannot have visitors or use the phone, so he had his wife answer my earlier text asking how he was doing. I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many people would want to wish him well - but his wife said she would have to ask him first. I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs needing his help ! Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please pray for him to be recovered soon. I believe it will be very helpful for him.? Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119442 bytes Desc: image001.jpg URL: From grglmn at gmail.com Sat Jun 6 20:20:39 2020 From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 21:20:39 -0500 Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Randall Young In-Reply-To: References: <002501d63c41$0edccae0$2c9660a0$@uprichard.net> <002201d63c59$ae0ef4e0$0a2cdea0$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: I set up a post on British Car Forum where you can wish Randall a speedy recovery, I believe Andrew has done similar on the Triumph Experience. Greg Lemon TR250 On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 9:17 PM Reihing, Randall S. < Randall.Reihing at utoledo.edu> wrote: > Andrew, > > Great news that Randall Young is alive and recovering from whatever it is > he is battling. Nice photo of Randall and Geo. > > If Randall's wife can create a new gmail address specifically for sending > Randall best wishes for a speedy recovery it might perk him up to read > messages from those of us that miss him online and have come to rely on his > depth of knowledge in all things Triumph. Hoping to soon see his posts once > again. > > Sincerely, > Randall Reihing > 1959 TR3A > 1960 TR3A > > > > ------------------------------ > *From:* Triumphs on behalf of andrew > uprichard > *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:24 PM > *To:* 'Geo Hahn' > *Cc:* 'TR3 Triumphs' ; 'Randall' < > tr3driver at ca.rr.com> > *Subject:* [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Randall Young > > > GREAT picture (of Randall, that is??..) ? > > > > Andrew > > > > *From:* Geo Hahn > *Sent:* Saturday, June 6, 2020 6:06 PM > *To:* andrew uprichard > *Cc:* TR3 Triumphs ; Randall > > *Subject:* Re: [TR] Randall Young > > > > Andrew - > > > > Thanks for the update. The news is not too bad for those our age -- > sometimes 'getting better' is all we can hope for as the years catch up > with us. > > > > For those who have not personally met Randall... I am the old geezer on > the left, Randall is the Young man on the right. > > > > > > We were driving our TRs up to Laughlin that day. > > > > I think the ladies behind us were discussing DOT4 vs DOT5 - we wisely > stayed out of it. > > > > Geo > > > > On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:28 PM andrew uprichard > wrote: > > This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: > > > > *I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting > better". I immediately called and his wife answered. She wanted me to > tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly recovering from a very > serious non-Covid illness. He cannot have visitors or use the phone, so he > had his wife answer my earlier text asking how he was doing. * > > > > *I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many > people would want to wish him well - but his wife said she would have to > ask him first. I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he > will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs > needing his help !* > > > > Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please pray > for him to be recovered soon. I believe it will be very helpful for him.? > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > Jackson, Michigan > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > > http://www.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119442 bytes Desc: not available URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 119442 bytes Desc: not available URL: From rbtr3a at cox.net Sat Jun 6 21:30:26 2020 From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt) Date: Sat, 6 Jun 2020 23:30:26 -0400 Subject: [TR] [EXTERNAL] Re: Randall Young In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: That you for the update Ronnie > On Jun 6, 2020, at 10:21 PM, Greg Lemon wrote: > > ? > I set up a post on British Car Forum where you can wish Randall a speedy recovery, I believe Andrew has done similar on the Triumph Experience. > > Greg Lemon > TR250 > >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020, 9:17 PM Reihing, Randall S. wrote: >> Andrew, >> >> Great news that Randall Young is alive and recovering from whatever it is he is battling. Nice photo of Randall and Geo. >> >> If Randall's wife can create a new gmail address specifically for sending Randall best wishes for a speedy recovery it might perk him up to read messages from those of us that miss him online and have come to rely on his depth of knowledge in all things Triumph. Hoping to soon see his posts once again. >> >> Sincerely, >> Randall Reihing >> 1959 TR3A >> 1960 TR3A >> >> >> >> From: Triumphs on behalf of andrew uprichard >> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 7:24 PM >> To: 'Geo Hahn' >> Cc: 'TR3 Triumphs' ; 'Randall' >> Subject: [EXTERNAL] Re: [TR] Randall Young >> >> GREAT picture (of Randall, that is??..) ? >> >> >> >> Andrew >> >> >> >> From: Geo Hahn >> Sent: Saturday, June 6, 2020 6:06 PM >> To: andrew uprichard >> Cc: TR3 Triumphs ; Randall >> Subject: Re: [TR] Randall Young >> >> >> >> Andrew - >> >> >> >> Thanks for the update. The news is not too bad for those our age -- sometimes 'getting better' is all we can hope for as the years catch up with us. >> >> >> >> For those who have not personally met Randall... I am the old geezer on the left, Randall is the Young man on the right. >> >> >> >> >> >> >> >> We were driving our TRs up to Laughlin that day. >> >> >> >> I think the ladies behind us were discussing DOT4 vs DOT5 - we wisely stayed out of it. >> >> >> >> Geo >> >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 6, 2020 at 1:28 PM andrew uprichard wrote: >> >> This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: >> >> >> >> I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting better". I immediately called and his wife answered. She wanted me to tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly recovering from a very serious non-Covid illness. He cannot have visitors or use the phone, so he had his wife answer my earlier text asking how he was doing. >> >> >> >> I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many people would want to wish him well - but his wife said she would have to ask him first. I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs needing his help ! >> >> >> >> Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please pray for him to be recovered soon. I believe it will be very helpful for him.? >> >> >> >> Andrew Uprichard >> >> Jackson, Michigan >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn at gmail.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/rbtr3a at cox.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Jun 7 07:34:11 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 13:34:11 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Randall Young In-Reply-To: <002501d63c41$0edccae0$2c9660a0$@uprichard.net> References: <002501d63c41$0edccae0$2c9660a0$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <385239152.352768.1591536851039@mail.yahoo.com> I, too, wish him a quick recovery.? I have had the pleasure of meeting him and both of his parents in person on several occasions at national meets (VTR, Triumphest) and we spent an afternoon together when I was in LA on business one time.? What a fount of information.? Nice folks even if a bit acerbic at times.? Maybe a collective Get-Well Email is in order. Dave -----Original Message----- From: andrew uprichard To: 'TR3 Triumphs' ; 6pack at autox.team.net Sent: Sat, Jun 6, 2020 3:28 pm Subject: [TR] Randall Young This is a message I just posted to The Triumph Experience: ?I just got a text from Randall Young's phone saying "I'm getting better".? I immediately called and his wife answered.? She wanted me to tell you that Randall is in hospital and is slowly recovering from a very serious non-Covid illness.? He cannot have visitors or use the phone, so he had his wife answer my earlier text asking how he was doing. ?I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many people would want to wish him well -? but his wife said she would have to ask him first.? I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs needing his help ! ?Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please pray for him to be recovered soon.? I believe it will be very helpful for him.? ?Andrew UprichardJackson, Michigan** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Jun 7 08:00:05 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 14:00:05 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Thank You In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1587484315.352623.1591538405127@mail.yahoo.com> Maybe those posing a positive response don't autocross, Jack.? Coker tires may be just fine for show cars.? But I don't know, just conjecturing.? I have never bought tires from them. Cheers. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jack McGahey To: Reihing, Randall S. Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; Triumphs Sent: Fri, Jun 5, 2020 1:29 pm Subject: Re: [TR] Thank You I?m perplexed that you received positive responses concerning Coker tires - I can only assume these apply only to tire sizes fitted to side screen TRs.Coker redlines intended for TR6s are some of the worst tires ever made and I?m just surprised Coker has any positive reputation left among Triumph owners.Obviously YMMV.Cheers,?Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone On Jun 4, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Reihing, Randall S. wrote: ? Jim, George and Randy, Thank you for sharing your experiences with Coker tires. Looks like that will be my first choice. Planning on purchasing tomorrow.? Thank you,Randall Reihing1959 TR3A ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs ?http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx at aol.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Sun Jun 7 08:03:54 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 09:03:54 -0500 Subject: [TR] Thank You In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <96418582-82A2-4A53-90B2-0610011BF482@yahoo.com> Bought 4 Michelin X because I have always liked that tread pattern, two were out of round. Every time I called I talked to a different person, always very courteous I was advised for best service to buy two more tires then return the bad ones for refund. It took two months, and many phone calls, AFTER they received the tires to issue the credit. I have also bought whitewalls from Diamond Back, recommended by Alan at Hendrix Wheel, they use modern tires and install the whitewalls. Many years of good service on my former TR3. Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... On Jun 7, 2020, at 8:51 AM, Jack McGahey wrote: ?I?m perplexed that you received positive responses concerning Coker tires - I can only assume these apply only to tire sizes fitted to side screen TRs. Coker redlines intended for TR6s are some of the worst tires ever made and I?m just surprised Coker has any positive reputation left among Triumph owners. Obviously YMMV. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPhone >> On Jun 4, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Reihing, Randall S. wrote: >> > ? > Jim, George and Randy, > > Thank you for sharing your experiences with Coker tires. Looks like that will be my first choice. Planning on purchasing tomorrow. > > Thank you, > Randall Reihing > 1959 TR3A > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx at aol.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From McGaheyRx at aol.com Sun Jun 7 08:49:35 2020 From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey) Date: Sun, 7 Jun 2020 10:49:35 -0400 Subject: [TR] Thank You In-Reply-To: <1587484315.352623.1591538405127@mail.yahoo.com> References: <1587484315.352623.1591538405127@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Dave, my negative remarks were aimed only at Coker red lines - there are NO positive responses about those. I have no knowledge of any other Coker brand product, but their redlines are SO bad - for ANY purpose, even strictly show - that I personally wouldn?t trust any Coker brand product. Cheers, Jack Mc Sent from my iPad > On Jun 7, 2020, at 10:00 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > ? > Maybe those posing a positive response don't autocross, Jack. Coker tires may be just fine for show cars. But I don't know, just conjecturing. I have never bought tires from them. > > Cheers. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Jack McGahey > To: Reihing, Randall S. > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net ; Triumphs > Sent: Fri, Jun 5, 2020 1:29 pm > Subject: Re: [TR] Thank You > > I?m perplexed that you received positive responses concerning Coker tires - I can only assume these apply only to tire sizes fitted to side screen TRs. > Coker redlines intended for TR6s are some of the worst tires ever made and I?m just surprised Coker has any positive reputation left among Triumph owners. > Obviously YMMV. > Cheers, > Jack Mc > > Sent from my iPhone > >>> On Jun 4, 2020, at 9:58 PM, Reihing, Randall S. wrote: >>> >> ? > > Jim, George and Randy, > > Thank you for sharing your experiences with Coker tires. Looks like that will be my first choice. Planning on purchasing tomorrow. > > Thank you, > Randall Reihing > 1959 TR3A > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/mcgaheyrx at aol.com > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I asked if I could share his cell phone number with the list, as so many people would want to wish him well - but his wife said she would have to ask him first. I asked her to tell him we are all hoping and praying he will make a full and speedy recovery, as there were a lot of Triumphs needing his help ! Since I posted it, I received another email from his wife: ?Please pray for him to be recovered soon. I believe it will be very helpful for him.? 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URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 12:59:30 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 14:59:30 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:55 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Hurts the pocket book but it also hurts the pride. Really embarrassing. > > I may have told this story before... In a previous life, I worked for a Volkswagen dealer as a Service Technician ("schmieraffe"). Most of the cars we saw were newer, but occasionally, there was one that had seen a rough life. This day it was a 1977 VW Rabbit. I forget the complaint, but I brought it into my bay and opened the hood by untying the coat hanger that held it shut. That was the only securement for it... After inspecting whatever I was inspecting, I got the customer to go for a test drive with me. We set out around the block, me confidently behind the wheel. Our test drive route left the dealer on Piedmont Road in Atlanta, turned right through a residential neighborhood, then came out on Pharr Road in trendy Buckhead.... As I pulled out on Pharr Road, I wound it up to the speed limit, listening for the noise I was tracing...all of the sudden, the hood went straight up, hung for a second by the ground strap attached to it while I desperately tried to look between bonnet and cowl to see where I was going while I slowed down. After an eternity, the hood sailed out of sight behind us. Miraculously, in busy Atlanta traffic, there was nobody in the way behind us. I stopped the car and we got out and went back to retrieve the hood. Other than one bent rear corner, it didn't look any worse than before. I looked at the customer, they looked at me, they shrugged, I shrugged, and we set it back in place and drove on back to the shop. No words were ever said. When I released the car back to them, though, that coat hanger was *tight*. -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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That hood was so heavy and stout that even though he was doing highway speeds, it just opened up to full extension.? He pulled over, closed the hood and continued on. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Jeff Scarbrough To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) Sent: Mon, Jun 8, 2020 1:59 pm Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:55 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: Hurts the pocket book but it also hurts the pride.? Really embarrassing. I may have told this story before... In a previous life, I worked for a Volkswagen dealer as a Service Technician ("schmieraffe").? Most of the cars we saw were newer, but occasionally, there was one that had seen a rough life.? This day it was a 1977 VW Rabbit.? ?I forget the complaint, but I brought it into my bay and opened the hood by untying the coat hanger that held it shut.? That was the only securement for it... After inspecting whatever I was inspecting, I got the customer to go for a test drive with me. We set out around the block, me confidently behind the wheel.? Our test drive route left the dealer?on Piedmont Road in Atlanta, turned right through a residential neighborhood, then came out on Pharr Road in trendy Buckhead.... As I pulled out on Pharr Road, I wound it up to the speed limit, listening for the noise I was tracing...all of the sudden, the hood went straight up, hung for a second by the ground strap attached to it while I desperately tried to look between bonnet and cowl to see where?I was going while I slowed down.? After an eternity, the hood sailed out of sight behind us. Miraculously, in busy Atlanta traffic, there was nobody in the way behind us.? I stopped the car and we got out and went back to retrieve the hood.? Other than one bent rear corner, it didn't?look any worse than before.? I looked at the customer, they looked at me, they shrugged, I shrugged, and we set it back in place and drove on back to the shop.? No words were ever said. When I released the car back to them, though, that coat hanger was *tight*. ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From forzion7 at gmail.com Mon Jun 8 18:56:27 2020 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 20:56:27 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: References: <606726595.125945.1590666415052@mail.yahoo.com> <002601d634e9$74b8f0f0$5e2ad2d0$@uprichard.net> <1077381947.701571.1590676888259@mail.yahoo.com> <076701d63511$c89c4910$59d4db30$@bell.net> <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: Great story, Jeff, thanks. I needed a good laugh... But I'm sure it was no laughing matter at the time! Dave On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 2:59 PM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: > > > On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:55 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: > >> Hurts the pocket book but it also hurts the pride. Really embarrassing. >> >> > I may have told this story before... In a previous life, I worked for a > Volkswagen dealer as a Service Technician ("schmieraffe"). Most of the > cars we saw were newer, but occasionally, there was one that had seen a > rough life. This day it was a 1977 VW Rabbit. I forget the complaint, > but I brought it into my bay and opened the hood by untying the coat hanger > that held it shut. That was the only securement for it... > > After inspecting whatever I was inspecting, I got the customer to go for a > test drive with me. > > We set out around the block, me confidently behind the wheel. Our test > drive route left the dealer on Piedmont Road in Atlanta, turned right > through a residential neighborhood, then came out on Pharr Road in trendy > Buckhead.... > > As I pulled out on Pharr Road, I wound it up to the speed limit, listening > for the noise I was tracing...all of the sudden, the hood went straight up, > hung for a second by the ground strap attached to it while I desperately > tried to look between bonnet and cowl to see where I was going while I > slowed down. After an eternity, the hood sailed out of sight behind us. > > Miraculously, in busy Atlanta traffic, there was nobody in the way behind > us. I stopped the car and we got out and went back to retrieve the hood. > Other than one bent rear corner, it didn't look any worse than before. I > looked at the customer, they looked at me, they shrugged, I shrugged, and > we set it back in place and drove on back to the shop. No words were ever > said. > > When I released the car back to them, though, that coat hanger was *tight*. > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/forzion7 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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He had a 64 TR4 at the time and we were on our way into Chicago. A ways in front of us was a late 40?s Buick when suddenly it?s hood flew up and ripped right off the car. I watched that hood float pretty high and then start back down. We were going 60 mph+. Bill was watching it too not knowing where it would land. At the last minute he changed lanes and bang it landed right beside us. Pretty scary watching that hood floating down. It all seemed in slow motion at the time. Big farmer family in the Buick that had seen better days. JVV From: David Friedlander Sent: Monday, June 8, 2020 8:56 PM To: Jeff Scarbrough Cc: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) Subject: Re: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) Great story, Jeff, thanks. I needed a good laugh... But I'm sure it was no laughing matter at the time! Dave On Mon, Jun 8, 2020, 2:59 PM Jeff Scarbrough wrote: On Wed, Jun 3, 2020 at 7:55 AM DAVID MASSEY wrote: Hurts the pocket book but it also hurts the pride. Really embarrassing. I may have told this story before... In a previous life, I worked for a Volkswagen dealer as a Service Technician ("schmieraffe"). Most of the cars we saw were newer, but occasionally, there was one that had seen a rough life. This day it was a 1977 VW Rabbit. I forget the complaint, but I brought it into my bay and opened the hood by untying the coat hanger that held it shut. That was the only securement for it... After inspecting whatever I was inspecting, I got the customer to go for a test drive with me. We set out around the block, me confidently behind the wheel. Our test drive route left the dealer on Piedmont Road in Atlanta, turned right through a residential neighborhood, then came out on Pharr Road in trendy Buckhead.... As I pulled out on Pharr Road, I wound it up to the speed limit, listening for the noise I was tracing...all of the sudden, the hood went straight up, hung for a second by the ground strap attached to it while I desperately tried to look between bonnet and cowl to see where I was going while I slowed down. After an eternity, the hood sailed out of sight behind us. Miraculously, in busy Atlanta traffic, there was nobody in the way behind us. I stopped the car and we got out and went back to retrieve the hood. Other than one bent rear corner, it didn't look any worse than before. I looked at the customer, they looked at me, they shrugged, I shrugged, and we set it back in place and drove on back to the shop. No words were ever said. When I released the car back to them, though, that coat hanger was *tight*. ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/forzion7 at gmail.com -------------------------------------------------------------------------------- ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv at roadrunner.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Mon Jun 8 23:40:23 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Mon, 8 Jun 2020 23:40:23 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR Bonnets: (Was Re: TR3 - how does the door latch strap fasten to the door latch) In-Reply-To: <1E432F35CFED4B52BB22C70DF6F0DBFB@VlackTK121647> References: <019301d635eb$66a0a8c0$33e1fa40$@gmail.com> <182f01d635ec$9dd7d510$d9877f30$@bell.net> <132E6ACF-13F2-4542-8D5B-951C758139EB@albiontechnical.com> <01c901d635f0$58e3de00$0aab9a00$@gmail.com> <007101d635ff$22793630$676ba290$@uprichard.net> <2B4EC740-30D2-483E-8F26-EA1E65821069@comcast.net> <894187530.945401.1591097411820@mail.yahoo.com> <009801d638e1$5f7887e0$1e6997a0$@bell.net> <1906329751.984738.1591105981043@mail.yahoo.com> <00e701d638ee$ad4f36f0$07eda4d0$@bell.net> <80811184.1073618.1591117132189@mail.yahoo.com> <1214697847.1248510.1591145361354@mail.yahoo.com> <1E432F35CFED4B52BB22C70DF6F0DBFB@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <4591c27f-46e1-e4d5-a5a7-c021d7fdbc55@dfn.com> On 6/8/2020 7:17 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > Pretty scary watching that hood floating down. It all seemed in slow > motion at the time. My boss at a startup in MA commuted back and forth from New Hampshire, and he was driving home one evening on Rt. 3 when a big contractor's wheelbarrow caught the wind, came loose from the truck it was in and sailed over his car. Went through the windshield of the car behind him, killing the driver.? When the advice is not to go out in the middle of a hurricane, that's why.? There's a lot of big pieces of shit flying around.? Power available from the wind grows linearly with surface area of the object and by the cube of the velocity the wind. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphstag at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 11:39:29 2020 From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:39:29 -0700 Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? 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Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 1:39 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html Havent heard of this place before. -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jpaynepbr at cox.net Wed Jun 10 12:09:04 2020 From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 11:09:04 -0700 Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <000001d63f52$3c0447f0$b40cd7d0$@cox.net> Sujit, I have used them multiple times for unobtanium items like Jag XK 150 window wind gear mechanisms, moss box input shafts, Healey motor mounts. Always been a good experience. Jonas From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Sujit Roy Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:39 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html Havent heard of this place before. -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellowtr at adelphia.net Wed Jun 10 12:53:40 2020 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 14:53:40 -0400 Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? In-Reply-To: <000001d63f52$3c0447f0$b40cd7d0$@cox.net> References: <000001d63f52$3c0447f0$b40cd7d0$@cox.net> Message-ID: Funny thing is I have never heard of this parts site and it is only 120 miles away from my home! Saved the link just in case but maybe they will be an outlet of all the stuff I have accumulated over the years. I will have to make it a point to visit them next time I am out that way. Bob On 6/10/20 2:09 PM, jpaynepbr at cox.net wrote: > > Sujit, > > I have used them multiple times for unobtanium items like Jag XK 150 > window wind gear mechanisms, moss box input shafts, Healey motor mounts. > > Always been a good experience. > > Jonas > > *From:* Triumphs *On Behalf Of > *Sujit Roy > *Sent:* Wednesday, June 10, 2020 10:39 AM > *To:* Triumphs > *Subject:* [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? > > https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html > > Havent?heard of this place before. > > -- > > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr at adelphia.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Re: Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? > (andrew uprichard) > > > ---------------------------------------------------------------------- > > Message: 1 > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 10:39:29 -0700 > From: Sujit Roy > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? > Message-ID: > > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html > > Havent heard of this place before. > > > -- > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Message: 2 > Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 13:49:45 -0400 > From: "andrew uprichard" > To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" > > Subject: Re: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? > Message-ID: <001901d63f4f$87c88500$97598f00$@uprichard.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8" > > Yes ? my understanding is that the ownership changed not too long ago. > > > > I spoke with Ben about needing the hard-to-find glove box hinges for an early TR4 with a metal dash. He found a pair for me. ?How much?? I asked. ?How about $10?? he replied. I sent him $20. > > > > Andrew Uprichard > > Jackson, Michigan > > > > From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Sujit Roy > Sent: Wednesday, June 10, 2020 1:39 PM > To: Triumphs > Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? > > > > https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html > > > > > Havent heard of this place before. > > > > > > -- > > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > -------------- next part -------------- > An HTML attachment was scrubbed... > URL: > > ------------------------------ > > Subject: Digest Footer > > _______________________________________________ > > Triumphs mailing list > Triumphs at autox.team.net > http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo/triumphs > > > ------------------------------ > > End of Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 152 > ***************************************** From allen.k.hess at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 13:33:52 2020 From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 15:33:52 -0400 Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <8D2983DE-A2A1-4A41-81C2-347AC061079D@gmail.com> Ownership didn?t exactly change. See the website About page. Mark died unexpectedly many years ago. I used to live in the area and purchased overdrive parts, rebuilt water pump and other things that I needed ASAP. Allen Hess On Jun 10, 2020, at 2:00 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > From: Sujit Roy > Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? > Date: June 10, 2020 at 1:39:29 PM EDT > To: Triumphs > > > https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html > > Havent heard of this place before. > > > -- > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > > From: "andrew uprichard" > Subject: Re: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? > Date: June 10, 2020 at 1:49:45 PM EDT > To: "'Sujit Roy'" , "'Triumphs'" > > > Yes ? my understanding is that the ownership changed not too long ago. > > I spoke with Ben about needing the hard-to-find glove box hinges for an early TR4 with a metal dash. He found a pair for me. ?How much?? I asked. ?How about $10?? he replied. I sent him $20. > > Andrew Uprichard > Jackson, Michigan -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trguy75 at gmail.com Wed Jun 10 17:59:38 2020 From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:59:38 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR6 Carpet Set Message-ID: <047901d63f83$3447ba70$9cd72f50$@gmail.com> List: Haven't bought a carpet kit in 16 years for TR6 and would like a new one. I am a HUGE TRF fan and always try to suppor them first, but wanted to check opinions on any recent carpet kits and owner impressions. TRF tufted nylon on sale right now for $400 plus ship. Moss handrcrafted set at $299 or original $349.99 plus ship and Prestige at $348.75 free ship. Prestige 25% off everything. Ant recommendations? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 61 TR3A 62 TR4 75 TR6 Diablo - refresh in process 81 TR8 - love my new Rota 15 inch wheels and tires From notakitcar at yahoo.com Wed Jun 10 18:33:39 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Wed, 10 Jun 2020 19:33:39 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR6 Carpet Set In-Reply-To: <047901d63f83$3447ba70$9cd72f50$@gmail.com> References: <047901d63f83$3447ba70$9cd72f50$@gmail.com> Message-ID: <3D8297C4-C5CE-4E37-AE3A-84051F1C555A@yahoo.com> Not sure what is original to your car, or if you are trying to keep it that way. I would recommend cut pile over the loop pile, if something catches a loo pile thread it will keep unraveling. My two cents, Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 10, 2020, at 7:05 PM, Jim Henningsen wrote: ?List: Haven't bought a carpet kit in 16 years for TR6 and would like a new one. I am a HUGE TRF fan and always try to suppor them first, but wanted to check opinions on any recent carpet kits and owner impressions. TRF tufted nylon on sale right now for $400 plus ship. Moss handrcrafted set at $299 or original $349.99 plus ship and Prestige at $348.75 free ship. Prestige 25% off everything. Ant recommendations? Thanks, Jim Henningsen Ocala FL 61 TR3A 62 TR4 75 TR6 Diablo - refresh in process 81 TR8 - love my new Rota 15 inch wheels and tires ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com From mark at bradakis.com Thu Jun 11 13:20:32 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Thu, 11 Jun 2020 13:20:32 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR6 Judson Message-ID: Hmmm... https://cars.ksl.com/listing/6467043?ad_cid=2 mjb. From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 11 18:03:18 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 00:03:18 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR6 Judson In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <2089346259.2139704.1591920198773@mail.yahoo.com> ? Hmmm is right. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: triumphs at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 11, 2020 2:20 pm Subject: [TR] TR6 Judson Hmmm... https://cars.ksl.com/listing/6467043?ad_cid=2 mjb. ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellowtr at adelphia.net Fri Jun 12 07:31:05 2020 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Fri, 12 Jun 2020 09:31:05 -0400 Subject: [TR] Anyone bought second hand parts from this place? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <93dd1825-979f-9513-c3ca-e3e89676a32d@adelphia.net> Hello, I sent them an email and offered the treasure trove of spares I have and they replied that they would be happy to get them. If anyone on the list is interested before I start moving my stuff send me an email off list. I can deliver anywhere from 13502 to 04556 or 21201 when I make those trips. Let me know what you need and I will reply. Not sure when I will be traveling to Maine or Maryland due to the lock downs but maybe by the end of the month for Maine. Many of the parts are fair to good. Body parts, suspension, engine etc. I even have a set of 63 TR4 seats that should be able to be restored. When I did my 4, I had a set of 3 seats that were in better shape. My 3 Triumphs are in fine running shape and I will never use these parts. There will be no more restorations in my lifetime so I want to get these parts to someone who can make use of them. If you are nearby 13502 just stop by and have your pick! Last year I delivered 2 windshield frames to a guy in Portland. All I asked in return was for a donation to a veterans support group. Bob On 6/10/20 1:39 PM, Sujit Roy wrote: > https://britishautosalvage.com/index.html > > Havent?heard of this place before. > > > -- > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr at adelphia.net -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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We almost have everything...almost. Other cars that we do have a significant amount of parts for, but not entire parts cars, are as follows: MG T SERIES TRIUMPH STAG CHEERS John Taylor 133 Barton RD Greenfield MA 01301 USA 413 478 3960 see me at: My Flickr Album Web site : johntaylor.photos Member: Brattleboro Camera Club Vermont Center for Photography Life: Life is NOT a race....you do not want to finish first ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From amcewen2 at cogeco.ca Sat Jun 13 10:44:26 2020 From: amcewen2 at cogeco.ca (Art McEwen) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 12:44:26 -0400 Subject: [TR] Tr3 heater core hose replacement Message-ID: So the heater hose in the passenger footwell developed a crack (luckily no passenger at the time). Any guidance on how to get adult sized hands (and a screwdriver) near the heater core side of the hose? Should I take the glove box out? Thanks, Art From deruiterville at hotmail.com Sat Jun 13 12:05:35 2020 From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 18:05:35 +0000 Subject: [TR] Tr3 heater core hose replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Art- I hate to be so negative on a weekend, but I think that job is best done by dropping the heater down before you try anything. Just taking out the glovebox I don't think will give you enough room up top to pull off old hoses and put on new hoses. Also, there are probably a few suppliers out there, but for example BPNorthwest has a heater hose with a nice 90 degree bend to attach the hoses to the heater. That helps on the top where space is very tight. Regards Randy ________________________________ From: Triumphs on behalf of Art McEwen Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 11:44 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tr3 heater core hose replacement So the heater hose in the passenger footwell developed a crack (luckily no passenger at the time). Any guidance on how to get adult sized hands (and a screwdriver) near the heater core side of the hose? Should I take the glove box out? Thanks, Art ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/deruiterville at hotmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sat Jun 13 13:11:25 2020 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 15:11:25 -0400 Subject: [TR] Tr3 heater core hose replacement In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002301d641b6$6fa313a0$4ee93ae0$@uprichard.net> Let me start by saying I am thinking aloud ?: what if you removed the two dash supports and dropped the heater down low enough that you could work on the hose? You would have to remove the nut which secures the heater bracket to the front scuttle and pull the Y-shaped piece which takes the demister hoses, but I think that would be the way to replace a bad heater. I just find that glove box such a pain to put in and take out - but I'm sure that would work as well. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, Michigan -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Art McEwen Sent: Saturday, June 13, 2020 12:44 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] Tr3 heater core hose replacement So the heater hose in the passenger footwell developed a crack (luckily no passenger at the time). Any guidance on how to get adult sized hands (and a screwdriver) near the heater core side of the hose? Should I take the glove box out? Thanks, Art ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net From dave at ranteer.com Sat Jun 13 18:30:48 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 19:30:48 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? Message-ID: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn't running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep's battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery - no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep's old battery again, same results. Good battery - same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? And yes, we are replacing the battery -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.hiscock at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 21:17:11 2020 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 22:17:11 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: I had a 1988 XJ Cherokee for twenty plus years. Loved it, but the Jeep was buggy. Wait until you get into the closed cooling system... My brother and I found some ground loops that were playing havoc with the electrical system. Bonded some of the major assemblies together and it made it a lot happier. You might check to make sure the different parts of the XJ are on the same ground plane. On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:58 PM dave wrote: > We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or > driving, needed some work, battery was dead. > > > > Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery > from another car. > > > > Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try > it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. > > > > Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! > > > > Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to > the electrical system. > > > > The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the > negative, read -9.97 > > > > Reversed it and got 9.97. > > > > Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. > > > > Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same > results (about 12.97) > > > > What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the > battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must > have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. > > > > Can anyone explain this to me? > > > > And yes, we are replacing the battery > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Sat Jun 13 21:21:37 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 22:21:37 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <4F290866-2261-4D97-80B7-76BDC1CACA5D@yahoo.com> Yes, it is possible to charge a battery backwards. Serenity Now...... On Jun 13, 2020, at 9:55 PM, dave wrote: ? We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? And yes, we are replacing the battery ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.hiscock at gmail.com Sat Jun 13 22:53:34 2020 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Sat, 13 Jun 2020 23:53:34 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Probably worth checking for parasitic draws on the battery, too. I had an issue once upon a time where the insulation to the headlight wiring to the right side had been worn through, leading to battery drains and burned connectors. On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 10:17 PM Don Hiscock wrote: > I had a 1988 XJ Cherokee for twenty plus years. Loved it, but the Jeep > was buggy. Wait until you get into the closed cooling system... > > My brother and I found some ground loops that were playing havoc with the > electrical system. Bonded some of the major assemblies together and it > made it a lot happier. You might check to make sure the different parts of > the XJ are on the same ground plane. > > On Sat, Jun 13, 2020 at 9:58 PM dave wrote: > >> We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running >> or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. >> >> >> >> Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery >> from another car. >> >> >> >> Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to >> try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. >> >> >> >> Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a >> spark!!!! >> >> >> >> Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to >> the electrical system. >> >> >> >> The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on >> the negative, read -9.97 >> >> >> >> Reversed it and got 9.97. >> >> >> >> Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. >> >> >> >> Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same >> results (about 12.97) >> >> >> >> What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the >> battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must >> have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. >> >> >> >> Can anyone explain this to me? >> >> >> >> And yes, we are replacing the battery >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Sun Jun 14 06:40:06 2020 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 05:40:06 -0700 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave wrote: > We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or > driving, needed some work, battery was dead. > > > > Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery > from another car. > > > > Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try > it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. > > > > Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! > > > > Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to > the electrical system. > > > > The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the > negative, read -9.97 > > > > Reversed it and got 9.97. > > > > Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. > > > > Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same > results (about 12.97) > > > > What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the > battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must > have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. > > > > Can anyone explain this to me? > > > > And yes, we are replacing the battery > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sun Jun 14 07:51:10 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 08:51:10 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive From: Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave > wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? And yes, we are replacing the battery ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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The battery internal resistance (think of a resistor in series with the battery) could large relative to the parasitic current path on the car, but negligible relative to the resistance of the multimeter. Cliff Get Outlook for iOS ________________________________ From: Triumphs on behalf of dave Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:51:10 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive From: Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave > wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? And yes, we are replacing the battery ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Jun 14 08:24:56 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 14:24:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <1364794186.419464.1592144696476@mail.yahoo.com> Did you test directly at the battery terminals? It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.? If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.? I've seen it done. Many of the smart chargers will not do this.? Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care. Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems.? It is not recommended. Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? #yiv7175562247 #yiv7175562247 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv7175562247 #yiv7175562247 p.yiv7175562247MsoNormal, #yiv7175562247 li.yiv7175562247MsoNormal, #yiv7175562247 div.yiv7175562247MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv7175562247 a:link, #yiv7175562247 span.yiv7175562247MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv7175562247 span.yiv7175562247EmailStyle18 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv7175562247 .yiv7175562247MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv7175562247 div.yiv7175562247WordSection1 {}#yiv7175562247 Yes.? I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.? positive ?From: Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? ?Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? ?On many modes they can be reversed. ?Geo ?On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).? Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.?Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car.?Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.?Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!?Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.?The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97?Reversed it and got 9.97.?Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken.?Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results.? Good battery ? same results (about 12.97)?What is going on????? how is this possible?? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.?Can anyone explain this to me??And yes, we are replacing the battery** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sun Jun 14 09:18:47 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:18:47 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <1364794186.419464.1592144696476@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> <1364794186.419464.1592144696476@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <005c01d6425f$1a37a8f0$4ea6fad0$@ranteer.com> Tested the battery out of the car From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Did you test directly at the battery terminals? It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity. If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity. I've seen it done. Many of the smart chargers will not do this. Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care. Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems. It is not recommended. Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive From: Geo Hahn > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave > wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? And yes, we are replacing the battery ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sun Jun 14 09:19:22 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:19:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> , <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <006101d6425f$2ed3d810$8c7b8830$@ranteer.com> Tested the battery out of the car From: Cliff Hansen Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:18 AM To: dave ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Bad battery and some parasitic current on the car, I'd guess. The battery internal resistance (think of a resistor in series with the battery) could large relative to the parasitic current path on the car, but negligible relative to the resistance of the multimeter. Cliff Get Outlook for iOS _____ From: Triumphs > on behalf of dave Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:51:10 AM To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive From: Geo Hahn > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave > wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn't running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep's battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery - no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep's old battery again, same results. Good battery - same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? And yes, we are replacing the battery ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Jun 14 09:30:52 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 15:30:52 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <005c01d6425f$1a37a8f0$4ea6fad0$@ranteer.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> <1364794186.419464.1592144696476@mail.yahoo.com> <005c01d6425f$1a37a8f0$4ea6fad0$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <111021048.432458.1592148652043@mail.yahoo.com> Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.?The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 This battery was apparently in the car.? Did you check this battery right at the terminals? Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? #yiv0701720275 #yiv0701720275 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv0701720275 #yiv0701720275 p.yiv0701720275MsoNormal, #yiv0701720275 li.yiv0701720275MsoNormal, #yiv0701720275 div.yiv0701720275MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv0701720275 a:link, #yiv0701720275 span.yiv0701720275MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv0701720275 span.yiv0701720275EmailStyle28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv0701720275 .yiv0701720275MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv0701720275 div.yiv0701720275WordSection1 {}#yiv0701720275 Tested the battery out of the car ?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? ?Did you test directly at the battery terminals? ?It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.? If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.? I've seen it done. ?Many of the smart chargers will not do this.? Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care. ?Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems.? It is not recommended. ?Dave ? ?-----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????Yes.? I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.? positive?From: Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on??????Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter??On many modes they can be reversed.?Geo?On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).? Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.?Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car.?Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.?Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!?Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.?The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97?Reversed it and got 9.97.?Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken.?Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results.? Good battery ? same results (about 12.97)?What is going on????? how is this possible?? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible.?Can anyone explain this to me??And yes, we are replacing the battery** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs? http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sun Jun 14 09:50:26 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 10:50:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <111021048.432458.1592148652043@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> <1364794186.419464.1592144696476@mail.yahoo.com> <005c01d6425f$1a37a8f0$4ea6fad0$@ranteer.com> <111021048.432458.1592148652043@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000201d64263$86199f70$924cde50$@ranteer.com> No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for some period. The negative terminal sparked so we did not. We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter. We also double checked that we had the ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electrical system. From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 This battery was apparently in the car. Did you check this battery right at the terminals? Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Tested the battery out of the car From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM To: dave at ranteer.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Did you test directly at the battery terminals? It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity. If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity. I've seen it done. Many of the smart chargers will not do this. Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care. Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems. It is not recommended. Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive From: Geo Hahn > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave > wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? And yes, we are replacing the battery ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sun Jun 14 10:35:07 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 16:35:07 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <000201d64263$86199f70$924cde50$@ranteer.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> <1364794186.419464.1592144696476@mail.yahoo.com> <005c01d6425f$1a37a8f0$4ea6fad0$@ranteer.com> <111021048.432458.1592148652043@mail.yahoo.com> <000201d64263$86199f70$924cde50$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <943142247.438319.1592152507150@mail.yahoo.com> So, with which battery did you measure -9.97 volts? Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? #yiv3521628490 #yiv3521628490 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv3521628490 #yiv3521628490 p.yiv3521628490MsoNormal, #yiv3521628490 li.yiv3521628490MsoNormal, #yiv3521628490 div.yiv3521628490MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv3521628490 a:link, #yiv3521628490 span.yiv3521628490MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;}#yiv3521628490 span.yiv3521628490EmailStyle28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv3521628490 .yiv3521628490MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv3521628490 div.yiv3521628490WordSection1 {}#yiv3521628490 No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for some period.? The negative terminal sparked so we did not. ?We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter.? ? ?We also double checked that we had the ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electrical system.? ?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? ? ? Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.?The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 ?This battery was apparently in the car.? Did you check this battery right at the terminals? ?Dave ? ?-----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????Tested the battery out of the car?From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on??????Did you test directly at the battery terminals??It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.? If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.? I've seen it done.?Many of the smart chargers will not do this.? Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care.?Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems.? It is not recommended.?Dave ??-----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on?????Yes.? I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.? positive?From: Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on??????Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter??On many modes they can be reversed.?Geo?On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).? Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead.?Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car.?Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving.?Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!!?Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system.?The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97?Reversed it and got 9.97.?Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken.?Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results.? Good battery ? same results (about 12.97)?What is going on????? how is this possible?? 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Message-ID: <615ee8db-0be9-41c0-8af9-23f8561be720@me.com> For those of you who like tools, this is a great one for testing a battery. https://www.amazon.com/BA7-100-1200-Electronic-Battery-System/dp/B0015PI7A4/ref=asc_df_B0015PI7A4/?tag=hyprod-20&linkCode=df0&hvadid=312280085431&hvpos=&hvnetw=g&hvrand=14838984143453092033&hvpone=&hvptwo=&hvqmt=&hvdev=c&hvdvcmdl=&hvlocint=&hvlocphy=1013964&hvtargid=pla-499796143917&psc=1 I don't know why it's brand is SOLAR, there is nothing solar about it. ?The battery doesn't need to be fully charged either, or disconnected from the car. ?You enter the type of battery and the CCA it's rated for, it runs a test and along with OK, Charge and Fail, it will show you how?many CCAs are left. ?I recently checked a 5 year old Optima Red Top battery I run in my TR3 rated at?800 CCA. ?It tested good, and still has 720 CCAs. Rye PH: 530-FIND-RYE On June 14, 2020 at 8:56 AM, dave wrote: No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for some period.? The negative terminal sparked so we did not. ?We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter.? ? ? We also double checked that we had the ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electrical system.? ? From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? ? ? Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. ? The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 ? This battery was apparently in the car.? Did you check this battery right at the terminals? ? Dave ? ? -----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Tested the battery out of the car ? From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? ? Did you test directly at the battery terminals? ? It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity.? If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity.? I've seen it done. ? Many of the smart chargers will not do this.? Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care. ? Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems.? It is not recommended. ? Dave ? ? -----Original Message----- From: dave To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Yes.? I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts.? positive ? From: Geo Hahn Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? ? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? ? On many modes they can be reversed. ? Geo ? On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually).? Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. ? Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. ? Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. ? Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! ? Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. ? The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 ? Reversed it and got 9.97. ? Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. ? Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results.? Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) ? What is going on????? how is this possible?? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. ? Can anyone explain this to me? ? 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URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sun Jun 14 10:52:33 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 11:52:33 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <943142247.438319.1592152507150@mail.yahoo.com> References: <002c01d641e3$0d8f11f0$28ad35d0$@ranteer.com> <003101d64252$dd8d1310$98a73930$@ranteer.com> <1364794186.419464.1592144696476@mail.yahoo.com> <005c01d6425f$1a37a8f0$4ea6fad0$@ranteer.com> <111021048.432458.1592148652043@mail.yahoo.com> <000201d64263$86199f70$924cde50$@ranteer.com> <943142247.438319.1592152507150@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001401d6426c$335a85c0$9a0f9140$@ranteer.com> Old battery: -9.97 Known good battery: 12.97 From: DAVID MASSEY Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:35 AM To: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? So, with which battery did you measure -9.97 volts? Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for some period. The negative terminal sparked so we did not. We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter. We also double checked that we had the ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electrical system. From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM To: dave at ranteer.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 This battery was apparently in the car. Did you check this battery right at the terminals? Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Tested the battery out of the car From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM To: dave at ranteer.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Did you test directly at the battery terminals? It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity. If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity. I've seen it done. Many of the smart chargers will not do this. Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care. Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems. It is not recommended. Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive From: Geo Hahn > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave > wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? 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URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sun Jun 14 12:18:40 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 14 Jun 2020 13:18:40 -0500 Subject: [TR] what is going on????? In-Reply-To: <9134357E-9E53-42B2-B3DD-466C6E1AF9A8@gmail.com> References: <001401d6426c$335a85c0$9a0f9140$@ranteer.com> <9134357E-9E53-42B2-B3DD-466C6E1AF9A8@gmail.com> Message-ID: <002d01d64278$3b8cf2d0$b2a6d870$@ranteer.com> It was under warranty. There is now a brand new battery in the Jeep From: tom boggiano Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 1:14 PM To: dave Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Any chance you were able to reverse charge (polarity) on the battery? Happened once when my in-law put a charger on my dead car battery backwards. I did not know it could be done T On Jun 14, 2020, at 12:52 PM, dave > wrote: ? Old battery: -9.97 Known good battery: 12.97 From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 11:35 AM To: dave at ranteer.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? So, with which battery did you measure -9.97 volts? Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:50 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? No, we attempted to put the battery in the car after it had been connected to a charger for some period. The negative terminal sparked so we did not. We put it back on the floor where we checked it with the multi meter. We also double checked that we had the ground cable to the engine and the positive cable to the electrical system. From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 10:31 AM To: dave at ranteer.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 This battery was apparently in the car. Did you check this battery right at the terminals? Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 10:18 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Tested the battery out of the car From: DAVID MASSEY > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 9:25 AM To: dave at ranteer.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Did you test directly at the battery terminals? It is possible to charge a dead battery in the wrong polarity. If the battery was complete dead and someone hooked up the charger with the polarity reversed (ie: positive charger lead to the NEG battery terminal and vice-versa) it will charge up in the wrong polarity. I've seen it done. Many of the smart chargers will not do this. Many will not charge a dead battery, but some will and the old style chargers don't care. Connecting a battery to a car in the reverse polarity will cause all manner of problems. It is not recommended. Dave -----Original Message----- From: dave > To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Sun, Jun 14, 2020 8:51 am Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Yes. I tested the good battery and it showed 12.7 volts. positive From: Geo Hahn > Sent: Sunday, June 14, 2020 7:40 AM To: dave > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] what is going on????? Have you confirmed that the leads are correctly connected at the multimeter? On many modes they can be reversed. Geo On Sat, Jun 13, 2020, 7:57 PM dave > wrote: We bought a car a few months ago (an 88 jeep actually). Wasn?t running or driving, needed some work, battery was dead. Today we finally got it running and driving using a known good battery from another car. Set the jeep?s battery up on a charger a day or two ago and decided to try it in the jeep after all we succeeded in getting it running and driving. Hooked up the positive first, then touching the negative caused a spark!!!! Double checked that we had the ground to the engine and the positive to the electrical system. The multimeter, with the red on the positive terminal and the black on the negative, read -9.97 Reversed it and got 9.97. Checked the good battery ? no, the multimeter is not broken. Checked the jeep?s old battery again, same results. Good battery ? same results (about 12.97) What is going on???? how is this possible? Yes, we are replacing the battery but if someone had told me this story I would have told him he must have mixed up the terminals, that its not possible. Can anyone explain this to me? 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URL: From don.hiscock at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 12:49:53 2020 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:49:53 -0500 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Do you have a copy of the S-T Hardware Catalog, Sujit? It's most helpful to track part number to part details. There's a .pdf version on Randall's Google Drive collection of Triumph files. On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: > I've been trying to figure this out, but am at a loss. Please help > > I have a part number in my parts book. I also have the standard Triumph > parts list. > > HU910 > > HU is set screw and I'm assuming is fully threaded. > HB on the other hand is a bolt and has a shoulder > I'm assuming the 9 is the bolt diameter. Am I on the right track? > What is the 1 and 0 and can I tell from it, if it is a NC or NF thread? > > I'm aware later Triumph switched the part no. system and that system is > more confusing. > Regards, Sujit > -- > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Wed Jun 17 13:21:30 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 14:21:30 -0500 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Taking a calculated risk here: This shows up in the TRF catalogue as a set screw(fully threaded) 3/8?x1-1/4?, fine thread. You thoughts on the numbers looks to be right, 3/8?=9.5mm; the 10 would be the number of 1/8? increments. Bill Serenity Now...... On Jun 17, 2020, at 1:45 PM, Sujit Roy wrote: ? I've been trying to figure this out, but am at a loss. Please help I have a part number in my parts book. I also have the standard Triumph parts list. HU910 HU is set screw and I'm assuming is fully threaded. HB on the other hand is a bolt and has a shoulder I'm assuming the 9 is the bolt diameter. Am I on the right track? What is the 1 and 0 and can I tell from it, if it is a NC or NF thread? I'm aware later Triumph switched the part no. system and that system is more confusing. Regards, Sujit -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphstag at gmail.com Wed Jun 17 14:07:59 2020 From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:07:59 -0700 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Hello Don, I have the standard triumph hardware catalog and have to refer to it all the time. I do see some sort of sequence with the last digit, but other places that sequence is off. Sujit On Wed, Jun 17, 2020, 11:50 AM Don Hiscock wrote: > Do you have a copy of the S-T Hardware Catalog, Sujit? It's most helpful > to track part number to part details. There's a .pdf version on Randall's > Google Drive collection of Triumph files. > > On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 1:46 PM Sujit Roy wrote: > >> I've been trying to figure this out, but am at a loss. Please help >> >> I have a part number in my parts book. I also have the standard Triumph >> parts list. >> >> HU910 >> >> HU is set screw and I'm assuming is fully threaded. >> HB on the other hand is a bolt and has a shoulder >> I'm assuming the 9 is the bolt diameter. Am I on the right track? >> What is the 1 and 0 and can I tell from it, if it is a NC or NF thread? >> >> I'm aware later Triumph switched the part no. system and that system is >> more confusing. >> Regards, Sujit >> -- >> Sujit Roy >> Cupertino, California >> >> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithstewart at bell.net Wed Jun 17 14:31:47 2020 From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:31:47 -0400 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <01dd01d644e6$533b9970$f9b2cc50$@bell.net> Take a look at: http://trf.zeni.net/TR4-GB/207.php HU910 is a UNF 3/8? diameter set screw, 1 ?? in length. Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net From: Sujit Roy Sent: June 17, 2020 12:47 PM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? I've been trying to figure this out, but am at a loss. Please help I have a part number in my parts book. I also have the standard Triumph parts list. HU910 HU is set screw and I'm assuming is fully threaded. HB on the other hand is a bolt and has a shoulder I'm assuming the 9 is the bolt diameter. Am I on the right track? What is the 1 and 0 and can I tell from it, if it is a NC or NF thread? I'm aware later Triumph switched the part no. system and that system is more confusing. 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Bolts that have part numbers outside this system are special in some way - stronger, or have a shoulder, or an unusually threaded section. For example, the bolts that connect drive shaft flanges are not in this system (and I prefer to use AN hardware for them, but that's a different discussion). For bolts, the first digit indicates the *wrench* size, and the second/third digit indicated the length in 1/16" increments. So HU704 takes a 7/16 wrench (so it's a 1/4" bolt) and is 1/2" long. For nuts, the last two digit indicates the wrench size. For washers, the last two digits indicates the wrench size of the associated through bolt/nut. From cak at dimebank.com Wed Jun 17 14:51:33 2020 From: cak at dimebank.com (Chris Kantarjiev) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 13:51:33 -0700 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number In-Reply-To: <067d98a4-8935-cf18-44d1-72e1e4ea374c@dimebank.com> References: <067d98a4-8935-cf18-44d1-72e1e4ea374c@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <473dc308-0a89-d6a4-2f8e-3ccf4946c607@dimebank.com> On 6/17/20 1:48 PM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: Oh, I should have also said: these are all UNF threaded. > You're on the right track, but not quite right. > > The first time I saw this system explained was in TRF's TR250 manual. > > HU is a "set screw" - fully threaded. > HB is a "bolt" - partially threaded. > HN is a nut. > JF is a jam nut (thin) > LN is a slotted nut (castle nut) > TN is a thin nyloc nut > YN is a thick nyloc nut > WL is a split lock washer > WP is a plain (flat) washer > > By default, it's grade 5 hardware. Bolts that have part numbers > outside this system are special in some way - stronger, or have a > shoulder, or an unusually threaded section. For example, the bolts > that connect drive shaft flanges are not in this system (and I prefer > to use AN hardware for them, but that's a different discussion). > > For bolts, the first digit indicates the *wrench* size, and the > second/third digit indicated the length in 1/16" increments. So HU704 > takes a 7/16 wrench (so it's a 1/4" bolt) and is 1/2" long. > > For nuts, the last two digit indicates the wrench size. > > For washers, the last two digits indicates the wrench size of the > associated through bolt/nut. From j_bar_j at hotmail.com Wed Jun 17 15:02:40 2020 From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 21:02:40 +0000 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Easy. That a 3/8" x 1-1/4" UNF hexagon head setscrew. So I gave you the fish, now I'll teach you how to fish... http://www.memphisbritishcars.org/Images/TechTipsImages/Standard_Triumph_Hardware_Catalog.pdf Joel Justin... ________________________________ From: Sujit Roy Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 9:47 AM To: Triumphs Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? I've been trying to figure this out, but am at a loss. Please help I have a part number in my parts book. I also have the standard Triumph parts list. HU910 HU is set screw and I'm assuming is fully threaded. HB on the other hand is a bolt and has a shoulder I'm assuming the 9 is the bolt diameter. Am I on the right track? What is the 1 and 0 and can I tell from it, if it is a NC or NF thread? I'm aware later Triumph switched the part no. system and that system is more confusing. Regards, Sujit -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jun 17 15:59:19 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 15:59:19 -0600 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1220d1c3-28cf-de31-b484-7c625fec2af2@dfn.com> On 6/17/2020 2:07 PM, Sujit Roy wrote: > Hello Don, > I have the standard triumph hardware catalog and have to refer to it > all the time. I do see some sort of sequence with the?last digit, but > other places that sequence?is off. The system has to be designed to accommodate this, and I don't think either the S-T or B-L systems do.? And most manufacturers do this differently.? For example, GMC simply assigns part numbers sequentially.? An engineer needs a part number for a new a/c part and goes to the parts book, creates the next new sequential number and a description.? The next engineer comes along and needs a new suspension part and so the next new number, one number apart from the last one, is a ball joint.? Part numbers for the component parts of an assembly are usually assigned by the people writing the parts manuals, and that's where you'll often see consecutive part numbers for similar part types, simply because they're doing breakdowns of a purchased assembly all at one time. I understand the pitfalls of this system since I wrote parts manuals for a GMC product for quite some time.? One digit off in ordering fifty screws, and you could end up with a couple of pallets of a/c evaporator motors (that's actually happened).? And, lazy manual writers never checked to see if a number had already been issued for a part used on more than one type or style of purchased assembly from a vendor, so the number of part numbers for that part simply multiplied.? These never showed up in the electronic parts management system used to create the bills of material for each vehicle, since that was composed of top-level parts only, so I had to create my own searchable database to purge them. VW, for a very long time, has had a descriptive part number. IIRC, the first number is the vehicle type (1 for bug, 2 for bus, 3 for squareback/fastback, 4 for the 4lls and 412s, etc.) in which the part is first used, the second is a two-digit code for where on the vehicle the part was first used, then a code for part type, then a two or three digit code for size and then a sequential number indicating that it's the xxxx part of that configuration used in the manufacturing history.? As VW expanded its model line and options, they appended an -xxx number to a part to indicate its use for trim or color purposes. Ford uses a similar system to VW, except, as I recall, it's alphanumeric. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jun 17 16:02:24 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:02:24 -0600 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number In-Reply-To: <067d98a4-8935-cf18-44d1-72e1e4ea374c@dimebank.com> References: <067d98a4-8935-cf18-44d1-72e1e4ea374c@dimebank.com> Message-ID: On 6/17/2020 2:48 PM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > You're on the right track, but not quite right. > > The first time I saw this system explained was in TRF's TR250 manual. > > HU is a "set screw" - fully threaded. > HB is a "bolt" - partially threaded. > HN is a nut. > JF is a jam nut (thin) > LN is a slotted nut (castle nut) > TN is a thin nyloc nut > YN is a thick nyloc nut > WL is a split lock washer > WP is a plain (flat) washer Hmm, I stand corrected on the B-L system.? I didn't think it had much rhyme or reason to it.? The S-T system, however, I think, is sequentially based. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jun 17 16:07:15 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 17 Jun 2020 16:07:15 -0600 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: On 6/17/2020 3:02 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote: > Easy. That a 3/8" x 1-1/4" UNF hexagon head setscrew. So I gave you > the fish, now I'll teach you how to fish... > > http://www.memphisbritishcars.org/Images/TechTipsImages/Standard_Triumph_Hardware_Catalog.pdf > Geez, I must be getting old.? I'd completely forgotten that S-T used an alphanumeric system to differentiate hardware.? But, the rest of the part numbers are sequentially assigned, I'm pretty sure. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphstag at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:47:28 2020 From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:47:28 -0700 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number In-Reply-To: References: <067d98a4-8935-cf18-44d1-72e1e4ea374c@dimebank.com> Message-ID: Hi Chris, Thanks for the explanation. I will go through it. From looking at the hardware catalogue I have a curve ball here HU0754 is listed as a UNC. How do you tell this one? What about HU1157 or HU 855 I'm putting a Stag engine and box together. I have a boat load of bolts from a parts car to choose from and with this shelter in place, and working from home all day in front of the computer. (tech support) I goof off and am sorting out the bolts. I have the Stag parts book and the standard hardware catalog that I'm having to keep referring to. Unfortunately, the pdf copy of the hardware catalog floating around is not that great on the eye of a 50 year old. I'm having to zoom in a lot. I've just created a spreadsheet of 1-24 for digit 2/3 on the numbering system and this will cover me up to 3 inch bolts. (I'll share it once I figure out how to display fractions. Sujit On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:10 PM Michael Porter wrote: > On 6/17/2020 2:48 PM, Chris Kantarjiev wrote: > > You're on the right track, but not quite right. > > > > The first time I saw this system explained was in TRF's TR250 manual. > > > > HU is a "set screw" - fully threaded. > > HB is a "bolt" - partially threaded. > > HN is a nut. > > JF is a jam nut (thin) > > LN is a slotted nut (castle nut) > > TN is a thin nyloc nut > > YN is a thick nyloc nut > > WL is a split lock washer > > WP is a plain (flat) washer > > > Hmm, I stand corrected on the B-L system. I didn't think it had much > rhyme or reason to it. The S-T system, however, I think, is > sequentially based. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphstag at gmail.com > -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphstag at gmail.com Thu Jun 18 12:49:49 2020 From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 11:49:49 -0700 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: The email thread split. Chris helped get further along. There are still a few curve balls in the catalog. Sujit On Wed, Jun 17, 2020 at 3:11 PM Michael Porter wrote: > On 6/17/2020 3:02 PM, Joel E. Justin wrote: > > Easy. That a 3/8" x 1-1/4" UNF hexagon head setscrew. So I gave you the > fish, now I'll teach you how to fish... > > > http://www.memphisbritishcars.org/Images/TechTipsImages/Standard_Triumph_Hardware_Catalog.pdf > > Geez, I must be getting old. I'd completely forgotten that S-T used an > alphanumeric system to differentiate hardware. But, the rest of the part > numbers are sequentially assigned, I'm pretty sure. > > > Cheers. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/triumphstag at gmail.com > -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From keithstewart at bell.net Thu Jun 18 13:39:38 2020 From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart) Date: Thu, 18 Jun 2020 15:39:38 -0400 Subject: [TR] How to tell the size of bolt or setscrew from the part number In-Reply-To: <067d98a4-8935-cf18-44d1-72e1e4ea374c@dimebank.com> References: <067d98a4-8935-cf18-44d1-72e1e4ea374c@dimebank.com> Message-ID: <030f01d645a8$343fb160$9cbf1420$@bell.net> These are some of those bolts that are "special in some way". Where do I find their part numbers in case I need to order more? Keith Stewart keithstewart at bell.net -----Original Message----- From: Chris Kantarjiev Sent: June 17, 2020 4:49 PM By default, it's grade 5 hardware. Bolts that have part numbers outside this system are special in some way - stronger, or have a shoulder, or an unusually threaded section. 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Dave On Thu, Jun 18, 2020 at 3:40 PM Keith Stewart wrote: > These are some of those bolts that are "special in some way". Where do I > find their part numbers in case I need to order more? > > > > Keith Stewart > > keithstewart at bell.net > > > > > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: Chris Kantarjiev > Sent: June 17, 2020 4:49 PM > > > > By default, it's grade 5 hardware. Bolts that have part numbers outside > this system are special in some way - stronger, or have a shoulder, or an > unusually threaded section. For example, the bolts that connect drive shaft > flanges are not in this system (and I prefer to use AN hardware for them, > but that's a different discussion). > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/forzion7 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: -------------- next part -------------- A non-text attachment was scrubbed... Name: image001.jpg Type: image/jpeg Size: 136235 bytes Desc: not available URL: From triumphstag at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 09:16:40 2020 From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 08:16:40 -0700 Subject: [TR] TriumphsOnly Message-ID: I thought I saw mentioned here on this forum the land was sold. What happened to the cars and parts? 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The magnets hold the assembly to the bottom of the scuttle lid. Tuck the material down the plenum so air flows through and not around it. I press the washer switch for about 6-8 seconds and before long cool air comes out any or all the round vents or out over the tran tunnel or where ever you set your controls for air flow. It only works when moving of course but today I had cool air coming out nicely on my feet and the upper round vents on my body. With the tonneau cover on and covering the passenger seat the cool air was all directed on me. It was 92 today and I drove around for a couple hours and the reservoir still was 1/3 full. You lose having washer fluid for the windshield but I never used mine that I can remember. I'd rather have cool air. Plus everything is reversible to stock except for the small hole to the plenum. But I'm never going back. The lid still works as it should and nothing is visible when it's shut. 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From allen.k.hess at gmail.com Fri Jun 19 12:58:29 2020 From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 14:58:29 -0400 Subject: [TR] A smart or dumb idea for TR6 Steering column In-Reply-To: <002b01d6464d$961f5430$c25dfc90$@msystech.com> References: <002b01d6464d$961f5430$c25dfc90$@msystech.com> Message-ID: https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr6-250/suspension-steering/steering-column-1 There are two U clamps that secure the steering column. The ?lower? one (I think of it as forward, closer to the bulkhead) would prevent the movement that I think you are talking about. It is item 124 in Moss catalog. Do you have it? Do you have the felt packing? Allen > On Jun 19, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Jeff Nathanson wrote: > > ? > > Hello, > > I?m one of those silent subscribers. But, now I have an idea and wanted to pass it on for suggestions/criticism . I just changed the two steering column bushing in the 1972 TR6. But, when I grab the steering column from inside the engine bay, there still is a lot of play. As can be seen by the below picture, the steering column can rattle around in the hole in the fire wall. > > > > > So, my idea was to pack some rubber around the steering column (1.25 inches OD) from inside and force it through the fire wall. I got a pair of rubber chair legs from Amazon. > > > > > I cut off the ?floor? end and then cut off some more so that is about 0.75? remaining > > > . > > > > After removing the steering column from the car, I can now place this rubber ?concoction? around the front end of the steering column and place it through the fire wall so it fills the gap. I have not yet completed this task because of problems securing the four screws in the large rubber cushion connecting the two steering rods. > > So, my question is: > 1) Was the gap in the file wall around the steering intentional? > 2) Do you think this would mess up anything? > 3) Would I feel more or less vibration at the steering wheel? > > Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. > > > Thanks, > Jeff N. > <001.JPG> > <002.JPG> > <003.JPG> -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jeffn at msystech.com Fri Jun 19 13:12:36 2020 From: jeffn at msystech.com (Jeff Nathanson) Date: Fri, 19 Jun 2020 15:12:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] A smart or dumb idea for TR6 Steering column In-Reply-To: References: <002b01d6464d$961f5430$c25dfc90$@msystech.com> Message-ID: <007001d6466d$98522c30$c8f68490$@msystech.com> Allen, I don?t have the felt packing, and one of the bolts around the U clamp was missing the nut. So, I guess when I get around to tighten everything, the steering column should be more rigid. Thanks, Jeff N. From: Allen Hess [mailto:allen.k.hess at gmail.com] Sent: Friday, June 19, 2020 2:58 PM To: Jeff Nathanson Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] A smart or dumb idea for TR6 Steering column https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr6-250/suspension-steering/steering-column-1 There are two U clamps that secure the steering column. The ?lower? one (I think of it as forward, closer to the bulkhead) would prevent the movement that I think you are talking about. It is item 124 in Moss catalog. Do you have it? Do you have the felt packing? Allen On Jun 19, 2020, at 11:23 AM, Jeff Nathanson > wrote: ? Hello, I?m one of those silent subscribers. But, now I have an idea and wanted to pass it on for suggestions/criticism . I just changed the two steering column bushing in the 1972 TR6. But, when I grab the steering column from inside the engine bay, there still is a lot of play. As can be seen by the below picture, the steering column can rattle around in the hole in the fire wall. So, my idea was to pack some rubber around the steering column (1.25 inches OD) from inside and force it through the fire wall. I got a pair of rubber chair legs from Amazon. I cut off the ?floor? end and then cut off some more so that is about 0.75? remaining . After removing the steering column from the car, I can now place this rubber ?concoction? around the front end of the steering column and place it through the fire wall so it fills the gap. I have not yet completed this task because of problems securing the four screws in the large rubber cushion connecting the two steering rods. So, my question is: 1) Was the gap in the file wall around the steering intentional? 2) Do you think this would mess up anything? 3) Would I feel more or less vibration at the steering wheel? Any suggestions or comments would be appreciated. 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From thomasb at queensu.ca Sat Jun 20 09:35:05 2020 From: thomasb at queensu.ca (Brian Thomas) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:35:05 +0000 Subject: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets Message-ID: Hi, I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate on my TR2. Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is installed. The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this opening. Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet? FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4 inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this. As 554407 is also used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ... Cheers, Brian _____________________________________________________ Brian Thomas???????????????????????? ??? E-Mail: ?Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane????????????????????????? Phone:? 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island,? Ontario???????? ??????? Toys:? 54 TR2,? 56 TR3,? 67 TR4A,? Canada? K0H 2Y0????????????????????????? ????????? 01 XKR,? 75 John Deere 920 From don.hiscock at gmail.com Sat Jun 20 09:47:45 2020 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 10:47:45 -0500 Subject: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Yes, I think I was able to find the correct rivets for both early cars (a drive rivet, not a "pop" rivet) and late cars (a closed-end rivet). If not exact, they're *very* close. I probably have many dozens of them -- certainly several lifetime's supply -- because I had to order a bunch to get a few. Here's are details front and back of the early drive rivet. https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee6789/O/i-KX88bMw.jpg https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b7900/O/i-LdxQ2BM.jpg Send me a note off-list, Brian, and we'll see what we can do. BR, Don Saint Louis Missouri 1962 TR3B TSF202L On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Thomas wrote: > Hi, > > I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate > on my TR2. > > Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is > installed. The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this > opening. > > Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet? > > FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4 > inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this. As 554407 is also > used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which > I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ... > > Cheers, > > Brian > _____________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-Mail: Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca > 92 Wyona Lane Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, > Canada K0H 2Y0 01 XKR, 75 John > Deere 920 > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dlhogye at comcast.net Sat Jun 20 10:08:53 2020 From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 09:08:53 -0700 (PDT) Subject: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1648860243.33400.1592669333881@connect.xfinity.com> This is excellent information and a detail most would overlook. I reduced the cap diameter of an otherwise correctly sized aluminum pop rivet then glued a short length of the shaft in place to smoothly fill the hole. It's very difficult to tell the difference from the factory rivet. I thought this detail was important and I kept the original commission plate although it shows it's age. Dave H. > On 06/20/2020 8:47 AM Don Hiscock wrote: > > > Yes, I think I was able to find the correct rivets for both early cars (a drive rivet, not a "pop" rivet) and late cars (a closed-end rivet). If not exact, they're *very* close. I probably have many dozens of them -- certainly several lifetime's supply -- because I had to order a bunch to get a few. > > Here's are details front and back of the early drive rivet. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee6789/O/i-KX88bMw.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b7900/O/i-LdxQ2BM.jpg > > Send me a note off-list, Brian, and we'll see what we can do. > > BR, > > Don > Saint Louis Missouri > 1962 TR3B TSF202L > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Thomas < thomasb at queensu.ca mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca > wrote: > > > > Hi, > > > > I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate on my TR2. > > > > Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is installed. The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this opening. > > > > Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet? > > > > FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4 inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this. As 554407 is also used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ... > > > > Cheers, > > > > Brian > > _____________________________________________________ > > Brian Thomas E-Mail: Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca > > 92 Wyona Lane Phone: 613-385-1947 > > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, > > Canada K0H 2Y0 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 > > > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlhogye at comcast.net > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Sat Jun 20 12:10:00 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 14:10:00 -0400 Subject: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets In-Reply-To: <1648860243.33400.1592669333881@connect.xfinity.com> References: <1648860243.33400.1592669333881@connect.xfinity.com> Message-ID: <2E7868DB-FE26-4EE2-ABF1-CC8A1BFFFAB6@columbus.rr.com> I looked into this once and believe it is called a blind rivet?? Could be mistaken?.. long time ago > On Jun 20, 2020, at 12:08 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote: > > This is excellent information and a detail most would overlook. I reduced the cap diameter of an otherwise correctly sized aluminum pop rivet then glued a short length of the shaft in place to smoothly fill the hole. It's very difficult to tell the difference from the factory rivet. I thought this detail was important and I kept the original commission plate although it shows it's age. > Dave H. >> On 06/20/2020 8:47 AM Don Hiscock wrote: >> >> >> Yes, I think I was able to find the correct rivets for both early cars (a drive rivet, not a "pop" rivet) and late cars (a closed-end rivet). If not exact, they're *very* close. I probably have many dozens of them -- certainly several lifetime's supply -- because I had to order a bunch to get a few. >> >> Here's are details front and back of the early drive rivet. >> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee6789/O/i-KX88bMw.jpg >> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b7900/O/i-LdxQ2BM.jpg >> >> Send me a note off-list, Brian, and we'll see what we can do. >> >> BR, >> >> Don >> Saint Louis Missouri >> 1962 TR3B TSF202L >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Thomas < thomasb at queensu.ca > wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate on my TR2. >> >> Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is installed. The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this opening. >> >> Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet? >> >> FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4 inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this. As 554407 is also used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Brian >> _____________________________________________________ >> Brian Thomas E-Mail: Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca >> 92 Wyona Lane Phone: 613-385-1947 >> Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, >> Canada K0H 2Y0 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 >> >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlhogye at comcast.net > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trhouse at columbus.rr.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I reduced > the cap diameter of an otherwise correctly sized aluminum pop rivet then > glued a short length of the shaft in place to smoothly fill the hole. It's > very difficult to tell the difference from the factory rivet. I thought > this detail was important and I kept the original commission plate although > it shows it's age. > Dave H. > > On 06/20/2020 8:47 AM Don Hiscock wrote: > > > Yes, I think I was able to find the correct rivets for both early cars (a > drive rivet, not a "pop" rivet) and late cars (a closed-end rivet). If not > exact, they're *very* close. I probably have many dozens of them -- > certainly several lifetime's supply -- because I had to order a bunch to > get a few. > > Here's are details front and back of the early drive rivet. > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee6789/O/i-KX88bMw.jpg > https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b7900/O/i-LdxQ2BM.jpg > > Send me a note off-list, Brian, and we'll see what we can do. > > BR, > > Don > Saint Louis Missouri > 1962 TR3B TSF202L > > > On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Thomas < thomasb at queensu.ca> > wrote: > > Hi, > > I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate > on my TR2. > > Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is > installed. The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this > opening. > > Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet? > > FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4 > inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this. As 554407 is also > used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which > I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ... > > Cheers, > > Brian > _____________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-Mail: Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca > > 92 Wyona Lane Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, > Canada K0H 2Y0 01 XKR, 75 John > Deere 920 > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlhogye at comcast.net > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trhouse at columbus.rr.com > > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 14:33:53 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Sat, 20 Jun 2020 15:33:53 -0500 Subject: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets In-Reply-To: <2E7868DB-FE26-4EE2-ABF1-CC8A1BFFFAB6@columbus.rr.com> References: <2E7868DB-FE26-4EE2-ABF1-CC8A1BFFFAB6@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <72D0615F-20C6-4CC6-93AB-D334F3AD6C5E@yahoo.com> Tom, Yes, that?s what I have always heard too. Bill Serenity Now...... On Jun 20, 2020, at 1:10 PM, Tom Householder wrote: ?I looked into this once and believe it is called a blind rivet?? Could be mistaken?.. long time ago >> On Jun 20, 2020, at 12:08 PM, DAVE HOGYE wrote: >> >> This is excellent information and a detail most would overlook. I reduced the cap diameter of an otherwise correctly sized aluminum pop rivet then glued a short length of the shaft in place to smoothly fill the hole. It's very difficult to tell the difference from the factory rivet. I thought this detail was important and I kept the original commission plate although it shows it's age. >> Dave H. >> On 06/20/2020 8:47 AM Don Hiscock wrote: >> >> >> Yes, I think I was able to find the correct rivets for both early cars (a drive rivet, not a "pop" rivet) and late cars (a closed-end rivet). If not exact, they're *very* close. I probably have many dozens of them -- certainly several lifetime's supply -- because I had to order a bunch to get a few. >> >> Here's are details front and back of the early drive rivet. >> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-KX88bMw/0/a2ee6789/O/i-KX88bMw.jpg >> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-LdxQ2BM/0/c84b7900/O/i-LdxQ2BM.jpg >> >> Send me a note off-list, Brian, and we'll see what we can do. >> >> BR, >> >> Don >> Saint Louis Missouri >> 1962 TR3B TSF202L >> >> >> On Sat, Jun 20, 2020 at 10:35 AM Brian Thomas < thomasb at queensu.ca> wrote: >> Hi, >> >> I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate on my TR2. >> >> Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is installed. The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this opening. >> >> Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet? >> >> FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4 inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this. As 554407 is also used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ... >> >> Cheers, >> >> Brian >> _____________________________________________________ >> Brian Thomas E-Mail: Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca >> 92 Wyona Lane Phone: 613-385-1947 >> Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, >> Canada K0H 2Y0 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 >> >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dlhogye at comcast.net > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/trhouse at columbus.rr.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Sat Jun 20 18:10:02 2020 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 00:10:02 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Commission Plate Rivets In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <1289149498.925558.1592698202297@mail.yahoo.com> hi brianyes i found the rivets you need.problem is i had to buy a minimum of 100. id need to go search my records if no one else has some frank On Saturday, June 20, 2020, 08:36:01 AM PDT, Brian Thomas wrote: Hi, I'm looking to replicate the 4 rivets used to mount the commission plate on my TR2.? Pop rivets I am familiar with have a hollow center when the rivet is installed.? The ones used to hold the plate leaves a metal cap in this opening.? Has anyone had success finding this type of rivet?? FYI, Rimmers shows "713531 - Pop Rivet - Closed End Type - 1/8 inch x 1/4 inch" for this application and TRF subs 554407 for this.? As 554407 is also used to hold down the chrome capping on the top of a TR4A windshield (which I have), I had a look and the rivets used there are also hollow ... Cheers, Brian _____________________________________________________ Brian Thomas???????????????????????? ??? E-Mail: ?Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca 92 Wyona Lane????????????????????????? Phone:? 613-385-1947 Wolfe Island,? Ontario????????? ??????? Toys:? 54 TR2,? 56 TR3,? 67 TR4A,? Canada? K0H 2Y0?????????????????????????? ? ????????? 01 XKR,? 75 John Deere 920 ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I've taken the door apart and inspected. I can't find > anything odd. When I measured the window height of the window and > compare it to the passenger side it's about 1 !/2" higher when rolled > up. I've checked the gears and the teeth look good and the coil spring > looks good. I guess I'm going to have to take the passenger door apart > and really compare the two. Any ideas? > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From boleaver at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 12:51:04 2020 From: boleaver at gmail.com (Bob Leaver) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 12:51:04 -0600 Subject: [TR] 1965 triumph TR4A window problem In-Reply-To: <10593DB1-8E21-4C0C-9533-76B4988E5541@gmail.com> References: <10593DB1-8E21-4C0C-9533-76B4988E5541@gmail.com> Message-ID: Thanks, I'll check it out. On Sun, Jun 21, 2020 at 12:31 PM Allen Hess wrote: > > https://mossmotors.com/triumph-tr2-3-4/doors/doors-tr4-4a > > Plate #104 is an adjustable stop. Don?t remember, but it maybe controls up. Plate #62 is the lowered stop. Also on one of my doord, bolt #98 had worn its hole in the sheet metal and one of the X bars of #86 (one with the slot?) had bent. All of that due to worn channels, misalignment etc. So I?d start with the first two. > > Allen Hess, TR4 since ?67 > > On Jun 20, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Bob Leaver wrote: > > ?My drivers window will not go down all the way. It leaves 2 inches of > window left to roll down. It just comes to a sudden stop and won't go > further. I've taken the door apart and inspected. I can't find > anything odd. When I measured the window height of the window and > compare it to the passenger side it's about 1 !/2" higher when rolled > up. I've checked the gears and the teeth look good and the coil spring > looks good. I guess I'm going to have to take the passenger door apart > and really compare the two. Any ideas? > From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk Sun Jun 21 15:06:11 2020 From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 22:06:11 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR2 Commission Plate In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: For the first time in more than 20 years, I?ve been able to unpack and enjoy some of my late Dads tools he used as a Field Service Engineer for Standard in the early 1920s. The commission plate thread caught my attention because in unpacking all these goodies, I came across a complete set of alpha numeric punches used on creating the plates on your cars. This particular set belonged to one of the WW2 injured servicemen who took up Sir John Blacks guaranteed employment offer in 1946. He finally retired in 1961 and Dad paid him the princely sum of five shillings (about 60 cents) for all thestamps. The man had lost both legs and one eye on D Day so was very constrained on the work he could do. So, if anyone wants a new commission plate stamped with impressions from the punches used on the line at the factory between 1946 and 1961, let me know. I?ll need a blank plate, your car?s commission number, your return address and seven bucks in cash for the return postage. I?ll try to upload a picture or two of the punches in their block in the next day or so. They?re very typical of the period under an intriguing lid that looks it was made out of two large food cans. I?m not planning on selling these punches. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 21 Jun 2020, at 17:00, Brian Thomas wrote: > > Thanks to all who responded to my quest for suitable commission plate rivets. I?ll be taking Don Hiscock up on his offer to provide some. > > FYI, I?ve attached a few pics. The first shows the TS537L?s tub being re-united with the chassis last week. Another shows it?s commission number plate which we removed prior to painting. The third is for those trivia buffs amongst you and shows the TR2?s commission plate beside a similar plate on our TR3 (TS10820L) ? I was amazed how different they are (fonts, indents, positioning of words ?). > > ? and yes, both mine are original to the cars. > > Stay well and cheers, > > Brian > _____________________________________________________ > Brian Thomas E-Mail: Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca > 92 Wyona Lane Phone: 613-385-1947 > Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys: 54 TR2, 56 TR3, 67 TR4A, > Canada K0H 2Y0 01 XKR, 75 John Deere 920 > > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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This is Dallas; I try not to drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I'm looking at "high performance summer tires." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sun Jun 21 15:51:05 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 16:51:05 -0500 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires In-Reply-To: <000901d64815$64b45020$2e1cf060$@ranteer.com> References: <000901d64815$64b45020$2e1cf060$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <000501d64816$10dfc870$329f5950$@ranteer.com> How about 205 / 50? Found some nice ones at a good price From: Triumphs On Behalf Of dave Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 4:46 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires I have 15 inch wire wheels, 5" wide, 72 spoke. Its an early TR4 in the 9000 commission number range. I just checked my date code and YIKES!!! Its 2011!!!!! Needless to say I'm in for new tires. These have less than 5,000 miles on them. But - I bought the car which had sat for 25+ years, and put new tires on it so I could drive it after rebuilding the hydraulics, etc. Realized the rings were shot but life intervened. Several years later I put 89 mm pistons in it and started driving it. Now its today and I need new tires again. Its got 185 / 65 on it now; I'm wondering how wide I can go? Obviously tread life is not a concern!!! And the car is far from stock; the first and second owners replaced the generator and did a lot of performance mods. This is Dallas; I try not to drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I'm looking at "high performance summer tires." -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Sun Jun 21 17:34:48 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Sun, 21 Jun 2020 19:34:48 -0400 Subject: [TR] Swamp Cooler In-Reply-To: <03AFE498-EE60-467F-A300-D9A2C6518318@comcast.net> References: <03AFE498-EE60-467F-A300-D9A2C6518318@comcast.net> Message-ID: It helps to live in a dry climate. Not very effective here in Georgia.... On Fri, Jun 19, 2020, 12:20 Bud Rolofson wrote: > Listerati, > > I?ve had some inquires about the swamp cooler on my TR6 I mentioned in > another post so here?s the details. > > This only works if you have a scuttle vent that has a pop open lid not the > scuttle vent with a plastic grill. 69 through some 72 TR6s had the pop open > lid. > > I ran plastic "fish tank" tubing off the windshield wiper fluid reservoir > (use distilled water) drilled a small hole in the side of the plenum and > connected it to a tiny copper tube (from the hobby store) with a dozen tiny > holes drilled into it, cap it on the end with a silicone cap. That tube is > wrapped with some porous material and held to the tube by using some > magnetic clips from Harbor Freight. The magnets hold the assembly to the > bottom of the scuttle lid. Tuck the material down the plenum so air flows > through and not around it. I press the washer switch for about 6-8 seconds > and before long cool air comes out any or all the round vents or out over > the tran tunnel or where ever you set your controls for air flow. It only > works when moving of course but today I had cool air coming out nicely on > my feet and the upper round vents on my body. With the tonneau cover on and > covering the passenger seat the cool air was all directed on me. It was 92 > today and I drove around for a couple hours and the reservoir still was 1/3 > full. > > You lose having washer fluid for the windshield but I never used mine that > I can remember. I'd rather have cool air. > Plus everything is reversible to stock except for the small hole to the > plenum. But I'm never going back. The lid still works as it should and > nothing is visible when it's shut. > > > Bud Rolofson > > Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut) > > 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6) > 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3 > 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car) > 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle > 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike) > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 07:01:05 2020 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 06:01:05 -0700 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires In-Reply-To: <000501d64816$10dfc870$329f5950$@ranteer.com> References: <000901d64815$64b45020$2e1cf060$@ranteer.com> <000501d64816$10dfc870$329f5950$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Tire size is very much a personal choice and sounds like you are set on wide and low, but have you considered something closer to the original fitment? Vreds in 185/15 give the car (IMO) a great period feel consistent with how it was designed. They also look right to my eye. Geo On Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 2:54 PM dave wrote: > How about 205 / 50? Found some nice ones at a good price > > > > *From:* Triumphs *On Behalf Of *dave > *Sent:* Sunday, June 21, 2020 4:46 PM > *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net > *Subject:* [TR] 62 TR4 tires > > > > I have 15 inch wire wheels, 5? wide, 72 spoke. Its an early TR4 in the > 9000 commission number range. > > > > I just checked my date code and YIKES!!! Its 2011!!!!! > > > > Needless to say I?m in for new tires. > > > > These have less than 5,000 miles on them. But ? I bought the car which > had sat for 25+ years, and put new tires on it so I could drive it after > rebuilding the hydraulics, etc. Realized the rings were shot but life > intervened. Several years later I put 89 mm pistons in it and started > driving it. > > > > Now its today and I need new tires again. Its got 185 / 65 on it now; I?m > wondering how wide I can go? Obviously tread life is not a concern!!! And > the car is far from stock; the first and second owners replaced the > generator and did a lot of performance mods. This is Dallas; I try not to > drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I?m > looking at ?high performance summer tires.? > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jun 22 07:30:48 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 07:30:48 -0600 Subject: [TR] Business possibility? Message-ID: Anybody want to loan me $374,000? mjb. https://www.ebay.com/i/193308184304?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=193308184304&targetid=916015721030&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9005937&poi=&campaignid=9343998885&mkgroupid=103102746908&rlsatarget=pla-916015721030&abcId=1139336&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjw57b3BRBlEiwA1ImytvJPRN45PmKBTS9GTZdZ24_4GQPGvSrTfO8di_hB5M71bmyZSEFpSBoCXYwQAvD_BwE From dave1massey at cs.com Mon Jun 22 07:53:39 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 13:53:39 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Business possibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <564786312.1267512.1592834019349@mail.yahoo.com> Let's see... if there were 373 more people on this list with $1,000 to invest.... Dave -----Original Message----- From: Mark J Bradakis To: triumphs at autox.team.net Sent: Mon, Jun 22, 2020 8:30 am Subject: [TR] Business possibility? Anybody want to loan me $374,000? mjb. https://www.ebay.com/i/193308184304?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=193308184304&targetid=916015721030&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9005937&poi=&campaignid=9343998885&mkgroupid=103102746908&rlsatarget=pla-916015721030&abcId=1139336&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjw57b3BRBlEiwA1ImytvJPRN45PmKBTS9GTZdZ24_4GQPGvSrTfO8di_hB5M71bmyZSEFpSBoCXYwQAvD_BwE ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 07:57:58 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:57:58 -0500 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <5A2AED8F-1C9B-4BC9-95F6-A99FAFDDE7B7@yahoo.com> Agree with Geo, the Vreds on my TR3 are the stock 165 and offer great handling. But if your looking to change the appearance, it?s a personal choice. Bill B TS30800 Serenity Now...... On Jun 22, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: ? Tire size is very much a personal choice and sounds like you are set on wide and low, but have you considered something closer to the original fitment? Vreds in 185/15 give the car (IMO) a great period feel consistent with how it was designed. They also look right to my eye. Geo > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 2:54 PM dave wrote: > How about 205 / 50? Found some nice ones at a good price > > > > From: Triumphs On Behalf Of dave > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 4:46 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires > > > > I have 15 inch wire wheels, 5? wide, 72 spoke. Its an early TR4 in the 9000 commission number range. > > > > I just checked my date code and YIKES!!! Its 2011!!!!! > > > > Needless to say I?m in for new tires. > > > > These have less than 5,000 miles on them. But ? I bought the car which had sat for 25+ years, and put new tires on it so I could drive it after rebuilding the hydraulics, etc. Realized the rings were shot but life intervened. Several years later I put 89 mm pistons in it and started driving it. > > > > Now its today and I need new tires again. Its got 185 / 65 on it now; I?m wondering how wide I can go? Obviously tread life is not a concern!!! And the car is far from stock; the first and second owners replaced the generator and did a lot of performance mods. This is Dallas; I try not to drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I?m looking at ?high performance summer tires.? > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 08:00:22 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 09:00:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] Business possibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Maybe you could sell shares? I?ll kick in the first $5 for a seat on the board. B Serenity Now...... On Jun 22, 2020, at 8:31 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: ?Anybody want to loan me $374,000? mjb. https://www.ebay.com/i/193308184304?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=193308184304&targetid=916015721030&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9005937&poi=&campaignid=9343998885&mkgroupid=103102746908&rlsatarget=pla-916015721030&abcId=1139336&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjw57b3BRBlEiwA1ImytvJPRN45PmKBTS9GTZdZ24_4GQPGvSrTfO8di_hB5M71bmyZSEFpSBoCXYwQAvD_BwE ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com From mark at bradakis.com Mon Jun 22 08:05:35 2020 From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 08:05:35 -0600 Subject: [TR] Business possibility? In-Reply-To: <564786312.1267512.1592834019349@mail.yahoo.com> References: <564786312.1267512.1592834019349@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <2faedbaa-6290-e477-5e2a-c487ba78e178@bradakis.com> On 6/22/20 7:53 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > Let's see... if there were 373 more people on this list with $1,000 to > invest.... > Feel free to make use of the donate link included in emails to the list ;-) In truth I would say the initial purchase price listed is the tip of the iceberg.? I have a feeling that if purchased the entire lot would have a 99% probability of being moved ASAP.? Procuring a new location and transporting it all could be quite an undertaking. mjb. From yellowtr at adelphia.net Mon Jun 22 08:05:44 2020 From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 10:05:44 -0400 Subject: [TR] Business possibility? In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I hope there is someone young enough with the cash to take this collection over for the future of our cars. When will be bug bite the younger generation like it did with us so many years ago? It is my hope that these cars last forever. Bob On 6/22/20 9:30 AM, Mark J Bradakis wrote: > Anybody want to loan me $374,000? > > mjb. > > https://www.ebay.com/i/193308184304?chn=ps&norover=1&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-117182-37290-0&mkcid=2&itemid=193308184304&targetid=916015721030&device=c&mktype=pla&googleloc=9005937&poi=&campaignid=9343998885&mkgroupid=103102746908&rlsatarget=pla-916015721030&abcId=1139336&merchantid=6296724&gclid=CjwKCAjw57b3BRBlEiwA1ImytvJPRN45PmKBTS9GTZdZ24_4GQPGvSrTfO8di_hB5M71bmyZSEFpSBoCXYwQAvD_BwE > > > From momulle at yahoo.com Mon Jun 22 08:52:56 2020 From: momulle at yahoo.com (michael muller) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 14:52:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 163 In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <4707890.1292065.1592837576904@mail.yahoo.com> Is this a new issue, or was it this way all along.? There are a few "stops" in the system.?? 1. The metal channel on the bottom of the glass needs to be mounted correctly; if this was reinstalled by a previous owner it could not be installed in the correct location.?? 2. There is a stop bolted against a channel in the door, but I do not think this is adjustable. 3. Finally, there is a stop in the bottom of the door, against which the glass physically rests when all the way down.? Does the glass reach this stop? Good luck - folks smarter than me may chime in as well. My drivers window will not go down all the way. It leaves 2 inches of window left to roll down. It just comes to a sudden stop and won't go further. I've taken the door apart and inspected. I can't find anything odd. When I measured the window height of the window and compare it to the passenger side it's about 1 !/2" higher when rolled up. I've checked the gears and the teeth look good and the coil spring looks good. I guess I'm going to have to take the passenger door apart and really compare the two. Any ideas? ***************************************** -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Mon Jun 22 09:10:53 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 10:10:53 -0500 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires In-Reply-To: <5A2AED8F-1C9B-4BC9-95F6-A99FAFDDE7B7@yahoo.com> References: <5A2AED8F-1C9B-4BC9-95F6-A99FAFDDE7B7@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <001201d648a7$52f737c0$f8e5a740$@ranteer.com> Not at all interested in ?original fitment? You are right ? I?m going wide and low. And STICKY! From: bill beecher Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 8:58 AM To: Geo Hahn Cc: dave ; Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] 62 TR4 tires Agree with Geo, the Vreds on my TR3 are the stock 165 and offer great handling. But if your looking to change the appearance, it?s a personal choice. Bill B TS30800 Serenity Now...... On Jun 22, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Geo Hahn > wrote: ? Tire size is very much a personal choice and sounds like you are set on wide and low, but have you considered something closer to the original fitment? Vreds in 185/15 give the car (IMO) a great period feel consistent with how it was designed. They also look right to my eye. Geo On Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 2:54 PM dave > wrote: How about 205 / 50? Found some nice ones at a good price From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of dave Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 4:46 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires I have 15 inch wire wheels, 5? wide, 72 spoke. Its an early TR4 in the 9000 commission number range. I just checked my date code and YIKES!!! Its 2011!!!!! Needless to say I?m in for new tires. These have less than 5,000 miles on them. But ? I bought the car which had sat for 25+ years, and put new tires on it so I could drive it after rebuilding the hydraulics, etc. Realized the rings were shot but life intervened. Several years later I put 89 mm pistons in it and started driving it. Now its today and I need new tires again. Its got 185 / 65 on it now; I?m wondering how wide I can go? Obviously tread life is not a concern!!! And the car is far from stock; the first and second owners replaced the generator and did a lot of performance mods. This is Dallas; I try not to drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I?m looking at ?high performance summer tires.? ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From allen.k.hess at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 13:05:37 2020 From: allen.k.hess at gmail.com (Allen Hess) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 15:05:37 -0400 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires In-Reply-To: <001201d648a7$52f737c0$f8e5a740$@ranteer.com> References: <001201d648a7$52f737c0$f8e5a740$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: https://www.tirerack.com/tires/tires.jsp?tireMake=Dunlop&tireModel=Direzza+ZIII&partnum=05VR5Z3&vehicleSearch=false&fromCompare1=yes When you look at the tire specifications there is a recommended rim width. The optimum for 205 is 6.5 inches. 185 is 5 to 6.5 inches. > On Jun 22, 2020, at 11:10 AM, dave wrote: > > ? > Not at all interested in ?original fitment? > > You are right ? I?m going wide and low. And STICKY! > > From: bill beecher > Sent: Monday, June 22, 2020 8:58 AM > To: Geo Hahn > Cc: dave ; Triumphs > Subject: Re: [TR] 62 TR4 tires > > Agree with Geo, the Vreds on my TR3 are the stock 165 and offer great handling. But if your looking to change the appearance, it?s a personal choice. > Bill B > TS30800 > > Serenity Now...... > > On Jun 22, 2020, at 8:01 AM, Geo Hahn wrote: > > ? > Tire size is very much a personal choice and sounds like you are set on wide and low, but have you considered something closer to the original fitment? > > Vreds in 185/15 give the car (IMO) a great period feel consistent with how it was designed. They also look right to my eye. > > Geo > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 2:54 PM dave wrote: > How about 205 / 50? Found some nice ones at a good price > > From: Triumphs On Behalf Of dave > Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 4:46 PM > To: triumphs at autox.team.net > Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires > > I have 15 inch wire wheels, 5? wide, 72 spoke. Its an early TR4 in the 9000 commission number range. > > I just checked my date code and YIKES!!! Its 2011!!!!! > > Needless to say I?m in for new tires. > > These have less than 5,000 miles on them. But ? I bought the car which had sat for 25+ years, and put new tires on it so I could drive it after rebuilding the hydraulics, etc. Realized the rings were shot but life intervened. Several years later I put 89 mm pistons in it and started driving it. > > Now its today and I need new tires again. Its got 185 / 65 on it now; I?m wondering how wide I can go? Obviously tread life is not a concern!!! And the car is far from stock; the first and second owners replaced the generator and did a lot of performance mods. This is Dallas; I try not to drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I?m looking at ?high performance summer tires.? > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From jat1127 at hotmail.com Mon Jun 22 14:20:53 2020 From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 20:20:53 +0000 Subject: [TR] Triumphs. only Message-ID: Listers, I think I was aware of this business but really get to northern CA. I should have ! I am looking to slow down rather than buy a business but do the still exist? They may have some interesting parts like a complete TR4/5/6 "Surrey" top or a complete TR5. Does someone on the list live near enough to have a look? How about LT77 TR8 gearbox's? They still have a live phone. CHEERS John Taylor 133 Barton RD Greenfield MA 01301 USA 413 478 3960 see me at: My Flickr Album Web site : johntaylor.photos Member: Brattleboro Camera Club Vermont Center for Photography Life: Life is NOT a race....you do not want to finish first ! -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From grglmn at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 15:40:03 2020 From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 16:40:03 -0500 Subject: [TR] Fwd: 62 TR4 tires In-Reply-To: References: <000901d64815$64b45020$2e1cf060$@ranteer.com> <000501d64816$10dfc870$329f5950$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: I meant to send this to the list but didn't. I agree with Geo, I have wide tires on my car, but I autocross it. For street driving a skinny tire makes steering easy and handling light and nimble. If you want to go wide I don't know if I would go much wider than the 185s. You would probably want to get a 6" wide minilite style alloy or something like that for a wider tire size than 185. Here is a link to a generic tire size to rim width table https://www.tyresizecalculator.com/charts/tire-width-for-a-wheel-rim-size-chart Greg Lemon TR250 On Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 8:01 AM Geo Hahn wrote: > Tire size is very much a personal choice and sounds like you are set on > wide and low, but have you considered something closer to the original > fitment? > > Vreds in 185/15 give the car (IMO) a great period feel consistent with how > it was designed. They also look right to my eye. > > Geo > > On Sun, Jun 21, 2020, 2:54 PM dave wrote: > >> How about 205 / 50? Found some nice ones at a good price >> >> >> >> *From:* Triumphs *On Behalf Of *dave >> *Sent:* Sunday, June 21, 2020 4:46 PM >> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net >> *Subject:* [TR] 62 TR4 tires >> >> >> >> I have 15 inch wire wheels, 5? wide, 72 spoke. Its an early TR4 in the >> 9000 commission number range. >> >> >> >> I just checked my date code and YIKES!!! Its 2011!!!!! >> >> >> >> Needless to say I?m in for new tires. >> >> >> >> These have less than 5,000 miles on them. But ? I bought the car which >> had sat for 25+ years, and put new tires on it so I could drive it after >> rebuilding the hydraulics, etc. Realized the rings were shot but life >> intervened. Several years later I put 89 mm pistons in it and started >> driving it. >> >> >> >> Now its today and I need new tires again. Its got 185 / 65 on it now; >> I?m wondering how wide I can go? Obviously tread life is not a concern!!! >> And the car is far from stock; the first and second owners replaced the >> generator and did a lot of performance mods. This is Dallas; I try not to >> drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I?m >> looking at ?high performance summer tires.? >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com >> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn at gmail.com > > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From j_bar_j at hotmail.com Mon Jun 22 17:23:50 2020 From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 23:23:50 +0000 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires In-Reply-To: <000901d64815$64b45020$2e1cf060$@ranteer.com> References: <000901d64815$64b45020$2e1cf060$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: Several years ago, Pirelli started remaking their famous CN36 tires. I had them on my 1st TR4 in 1976. Today I have a set of 185/70-15's on my stock TR4 steel wheels and absolutely love them. They look period correct and are VERY sticky. You can find them at Lucas Classic Tires: https://www.lucasclassictires.com/185-70VR15-PIRELLI-CINTURATO-CN36-p1857015n4.htm Joel Justin... ________________________________ From: dave Sent: Sunday, June 21, 2020 2:46 PM To: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires I have 15 inch wire wheels, 5? wide, 72 spoke. Its an early TR4 in the 9000 commission number range. I just checked my date code and YIKES!!! Its 2011!!!!! Needless to say I?m in for new tires. These have less than 5,000 miles on them. But ? I bought the car which had sat for 25+ years, and put new tires on it so I could drive it after rebuilding the hydraulics, etc. Realized the rings were shot but life intervened. Several years later I put 89 mm pistons in it and started driving it. Now its today and I need new tires again. Its got 185 / 65 on it now; I?m wondering how wide I can go? Obviously tread life is not a concern!!! And the car is far from stock; the first and second owners replaced the generator and did a lot of performance mods. This is Dallas; I try not to drive in inclement weather and obviously snow is not an issue. So I?m looking at ?high performance summer tires.? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From anabil007 at comcast.net Mon Jun 22 18:47:36 2020 From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 17:47:36 -0700 Subject: [TR] Triumphs. only In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I am very familiar with TO?the lease has been canceled ? there is a buyer with some interest , unfortunately the owner now lives in the Philippines and is under Very strict quarantine at this time, the last I heard the asking price is around $300,000. The last time I was there there were a lot of NOS parts, lots of fenders, etc. I used to have a key, but no more, don?t know who has is or where it is. My advice (proceed with caution) > On Jun 22, 2020, at 1:20 PM, j t wrote: > > Listers, > > I think I was aware of this business but really get to northern CA. I should have ! > > I am looking to slow down rather than buy a business but do the still exist? They may have some interesting parts like a complete TR4/5/6 "Surrey" top or a complete TR5. Does someone on the list live near enough to have a look? How about LT77 TR8 gearbox's? > > They still have a live phone. > > CHEERS > John Taylor > 133 Barton RD > Greenfield MA 01301 USA > 413 478 3960 > see me at: > My Flickr Album > Web site : johntaylor.photos > > Member: Brattleboro Camera Club > Vermont Center for Photography > > Life: Life is NOT a race....you do not want to finish first ! > > > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/anabil007 at comcast.net Life is too short to drive Boring Cars From grglmn at gmail.com Mon Jun 22 20:42:27 2020 From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon) Date: Mon, 22 Jun 2020 21:42:27 -0500 Subject: [TR] Business possibility? In-Reply-To: <2faedbaa-6290-e477-5e2a-c487ba78e178@bradakis.com> References: <564786312.1267512.1592834019349@mail.yahoo.com> <2faedbaa-6290-e477-5e2a-c487ba78e178@bradakis.com> Message-ID: That is an interesting proposition. I used to buy and sell parts quite a bit on E-bay. Never my main source of all income, but 1000 plus feedbacks so at least that many transactions. I know it is not the same thing, but some experience. If you take a typical old Triumph or LBC, for every used part that has viable market there is another one or two that will tend to sit forever even at give away prices, hard bits that don't wear out, or parts that do wear out but are available new and reasonably priced. Hard to value inventory without a very close evaluation of what you have. Had a friend who bought a storage unit full of Sprite parts a few years ago. The things that break, axles, transmission laygears, etc., We're very much absent. Big solid metal pieces that last a long time, very abundant. I also think the market is shrinking, they aren't making new Triumphs, old ones are generally restored or in maintenance mode, I haven't seen a figures but would think it has become a shrinking market space as those interested age out. That said, they look to have quite a selection of cars. I would be more inclined to do this if I could afford to do it as a full time hobby, than if I needed it to live off of, but I guess that is always true to one degree or another. Greg Lemon TR250 On Mon, Jun 22, 2020, 9:17 AM Mark J Bradakis wrote: > On 6/22/20 7:53 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > Let's see... if there were 373 more people on this list with $1,000 to > > invest.... > > > Feel free to make use of the donate link included in emails to the list ;-) > > In truth I would say the initial purchase price listed is the tip of the > iceberg. I have a feeling that if purchased the entire lot would have a > 99% probability of being moved ASAP. Procuring a new location and > transporting it all could be quite an undertaking. > > mjb. > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/grglmn at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From trhouse at columbus.rr.com Tue Jun 23 03:51:04 2020 From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (Tom Householder) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 05:51:04 -0400 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs Message-ID: <10B1B3CB-F270-4282-A344-C4643EDC0119@columbus.rr.com> Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? Trying to answer a question asked of me. Tom From notakitcar at yahoo.com Tue Jun 23 07:52:53 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:52:53 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: <10B1B3CB-F270-4282-A344-C4643EDC0119@columbus.rr.com> References: <10B1B3CB-F270-4282-A344-C4643EDC0119@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: <9EDEDDAC-666C-4C1F-A1B5-68449C1A85A0@yahoo.com> Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash. I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could melt. Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? Trying to answer a question asked of me. Tom ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com From dave at ranteer.com Tue Jun 23 07:59:46 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 08:59:46 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: <9EDEDDAC-666C-4C1F-A1B5-68449C1A85A0@yahoo.com> References: <10B1B3CB-F270-4282-A344-C4643EDC0119@columbus.rr.com> <9EDEDDAC-666C-4C1F-A1B5-68449C1A85A0@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <002101d64966$8e02d350$aa0879f0$@ranteer.com> OK. This is a TR6 Friend had a wiper switch go bad, constantly supplying power to the wiper motor, which was stuck. He had the power on in the car (not running) chasing some other electrical issues. Melted some insulation under the dash before the fuse blew From john at linneyweb.com Tue Jun 23 08:22:24 2020 From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 07:22:24 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: <10B1B3CB-F270-4282-A344-C4643EDC0119@columbus.rr.com> References: <10B1B3CB-F270-4282-A344-C4643EDC0119@columbus.rr.com> Message-ID: I had my ignition pilot light wire melt down when it shorted to the indicator lamp assembly which had fallen out of its broken holder. I just had to replace the wire from the ignition switch to the pilot. Happened at the end of my street. > On Jun 23, 2020, at 2:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: > > ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? > > Trying to answer a question asked of me. > > Tom > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john at linneyweb.com > From dctr6 at optonline.net Tue Jun 23 08:58:52 2020 From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 10:58:52 -0400 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires Message-ID: <006801d6496e$d0271220$70753660$@optonline.net> Geo Hahn wrote: >Vreds in 185/15 give the car (IMO) a great period feel consistent with how it was designed. Be advised that according to a source at Universal Vintage Tire in PA, Vredestein is no longer making an H speed rated tire in a 185-15 (185-HR15 rated to 130 mph). You will have to buy a V speed rated tire (185-VR15 rated to 149 mph) at a significant increase in price (tire, S + H = $240). I suggested to the guy on the phone that the only way my car could go 149 mph was if it got pushed off a cliff. He thought that was funny. Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY 1976 TR6 CF57948U -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From HDRider570 at att.net Tue Jun 23 14:14:43 2020 From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q) Date: Tue, 23 Jun 2020 13:14:43 -0700 Subject: [TR] 62 TR4 tires References: <412ccac5-1274-e9c1-091a-1936c8a6306a.ref@att.net> Message-ID: <412ccac5-1274-e9c1-091a-1936c8a6306a@att.net> I have 195/65 x 15 on my TR4 mounted on 5.5 x 15 72 spoke wire wheels.? Looks great and no rubbing issues. Edward Hamer Petaluma CA From dave1massey at cs.com Wed Jun 24 08:37:56 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 14:37:56 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: <9EDEDDAC-666C-4C1F-A1B5-68449C1A85A0@yahoo.com> References: <10B1B3CB-F270-4282-A344-C4643EDC0119@columbus.rr.com> <9EDEDDAC-666C-4C1F-A1B5-68449C1A85A0@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was designed to a budget.? These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses.? As such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil.? And those things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry the current for everything on that circuit.? But the wires were sized for the particular load.? A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and under? short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause the insulation to melt. Another factor against us is the age of the harness.? The connector contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances.? Wire strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in overheating under normal use.? The insulation gets stiff and cracks exposing the wires within.? Lots of potential failure modes here.? Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of fuses.? Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have their own fuses.? This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for the wire used to power that device.? Also the connectors used are water tight and don't corrode as quickly.? Also, they are, on the whole, a lot younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness may be a good investment. Dave -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher To: Tom Householder Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash.? I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could melt. Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? Trying to answer a question asked of me. Tom ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Wed Jun 24 08:52:28 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 09:52:28 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I counted, I only have two(2) fuses on my ?58 TR3. Where might the other be? Thx, Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: ? Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was designed to a budget. These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses. As such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil. And those things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry the current for everything on that circuit. But the wires were sized for the particular load. A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and under short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause the insulation to melt. Another factor against us is the age of the harness. The connector contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances. Wire strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in overheating under normal use. The insulation gets stiff and cracks exposing the wires within. Lots of potential failure modes here. Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of fuses. Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have their own fuses. This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for the wire used to power that device. Also the connectors used are water tight and don't corrode as quickly. Also, they are, on the whole, a lot younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness may be a good investment. Dave -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher To: Tom Householder Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash. I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could melt. Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? Trying to answer a question asked of me. Tom ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk Wed Jun 24 09:52:49 2020 From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 16:52:49 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: I think Dave Massey is spot on in highlighting the things that can go wrong with old looms. He?s also correct in saying the cars were built to a budget and I?d add they were never built to last as long as so many have. Ten years was the engineered life expectancy. Dave is also prudent to comment on the very limited number of fuses for the US market. However, it?s worth pointing out that in the days of yore, cars bound for Italy and Sweden had completely different looms. IIRC, Italy spec cars had 12 main fuses and Sweden a few less. Sweden also banned the plating that was used on all hardware and fasteners and insisted on another form of plating. Trouble is, I can?t remember what it was now. So, if you?re planning on a new loom, get one made in Italy to original spec. Magneti Marelli used to have a subsidiary that made them. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 24 Jun 2020, at 15:52, bill beecher wrote: > > I counted, I only have two(2) fuses on my ?58 TR3. Where might the other be? > Thx, > Bill B > TS30800L > > Serenity Now...... > > On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > ? > Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was designed to a budget. These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses. As such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil. And those things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry the current for everything on that circuit. But the wires were sized for the particular load. A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and under short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause the insulation to melt. > > Another factor against us is the age of the harness. The connector contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances. Wire strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in overheating under normal use. The insulation gets stiff and cracks exposing the wires within. Lots of potential failure modes here. > > Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of fuses. Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have their own fuses. This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for the wire used to power that device. Also the connectors used are water tight and don't corrode as quickly. Also, they are, on the whole, a lot younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. > > But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness may be a good investment. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill beecher > To: Tom Householder > Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT List > Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am > Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs > > Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash. I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could melt. > Bill B > > Serenity Now...... > > On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: > > ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? > > Trying to answer a question asked of me. > > Tom > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From don.hiscock at gmail.com Wed Jun 24 10:42:22 2020 From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 11:42:22 -0500 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: As usual, Jonmac's recollections are gold dust. I hoard every scrap! (Thanks for 'em, John!) Does anyone have an Italian TR2-3A wiring diagram? These must have existed originally, yes John? Rdgs, Don On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:01 AM John Macartney < John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote: > I think Dave Massey is spot on in highlighting the things that can go > wrong with old looms. He?s also correct in saying the cars were built to a > budget and I?d add they were never built to last as long as so many have. > Ten years was the engineered life expectancy. Dave is also prudent to > comment on the very limited number of fuses for the US market. However, > it?s worth pointing out that in the days of yore, cars bound for Italy and > Sweden had completely different looms. IIRC, Italy spec cars had 12 main > fuses and Sweden a few less. Sweden also banned the plating that was used > on all hardware and fasteners and insisted on another form of plating. > Trouble is, I can?t remember what it was now. So, if you?re planning on a > new loom, get one made in Italy to original spec. Magneti Marelli used to > have a subsidiary that made them. > > Jonmac > > At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: > Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? > Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > > > On 24 Jun 2020, at 15:52, bill beecher wrote: > > I counted, I only have two(2) fuses on my ?58 TR3. Where might the other > be? > Thx, > Bill B > TS30800L > > Serenity Now...... > > On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > ? > Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was > designed to a budget. These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses. As > such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil. And those > things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry > the current for everything on that circuit. But the wires were sized for > the particular load. A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and > under short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that > will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause > the insulation to melt. > > Another factor against us is the age of the harness. The connector > contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances. Wire > strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in > overheating under normal use. The insulation gets stiff and cracks > exposing the wires within. Lots of potential failure modes here. > > Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of > fuses. Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have > their own fuses. This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for > the wire used to power that device. Also the connectors used are water > tight and don't corrode as quickly. Also, they are, on the whole, a lot > younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. > > But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness may > be a good investment. > > Dave > > > > -----Original Message----- > From: bill beecher > To: Tom Householder > Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT > List > Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am > Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs > > Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash. > I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could > melt. > Bill B > > Serenity Now...... > > On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder > wrote: > > ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms > to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? > > Trying to answer a question asked of me. > > Tom > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Wed Jun 24 11:12:15 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:12:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <1409012135.2199615.1593018735261@mail.yahoo.com> At some point the factory added an inline fuse for the running lights.? I don't know, off hand, when.? I dded one to my 57 TR3 as the rear lamps are vulnerable to damage from other cars and can be shorted out. Dave -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher To: DAVID MASSEY Cc: trhouse at columbus.rr.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 9:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs I counted, I only have two(2) fuses on my ?58 TR3. ? Where might the other be?Thx,Bill BTS30800L Serenity Now...... On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: ? Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was designed to a budget.? These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses.? As such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil.? And those things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry the current for everything on that circuit.? But the wires were sized for the particular load.? A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and under? short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause the insulation to melt. Another factor against us is the age of the harness.? The connector contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances.? Wire strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in overheating under normal use.? The insulation gets stiff and cracks exposing the wires within.? Lots of potential failure modes here.? Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of fuses.? Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have their own fuses.? This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for the wire used to power that device.? Also the connectors used are water tight and don't corrode as quickly.? Also, they are, on the whole, a lot younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness may be a good investment. Dave -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher To: Tom Householder Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash.? I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could melt. Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? Trying to answer a question asked of me. Tom ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Wed Jun 24 11:15:15 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 17:15:15 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <511051649.2186564.1593018915384@mail.yahoo.com> Interesting.? I wonder if one could order and "Italian" wire harness for an "American" car. Dave -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney To: bill beecher Cc: DAVID MASSEY ; triumphs at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 10:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs I think Dave Massey is spot on in highlighting the things that can go wrong with old looms. He?s also correct in saying the cars were built to a budget and I?d add they were never built to last as long as so many have. Ten years was the engineered life expectancy. Dave is also prudent to comment on the very limited number of fuses for the US market. However, it?s worth pointing out that in the days of yore, cars bound for Italy and Sweden had completely different looms. IIRC, Italy spec cars had 12 main fuses and Sweden a few less. Sweden also banned the plating that was used on all hardware and fasteners and insisted on another form of plating. Trouble is, I can?t remember what it was now. So, if you?re planning on a new loom, get one made in Italy to original spec. Magneti Marelli used to have a subsidiary that made them. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:Lord Uxbridge: ??By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? On 24 Jun 2020, at 15:52, bill beecher wrote: I counted, I only have two(2) fuses on my ?58 TR3. ? Where might the other be?Thx,Bill BTS30800L Serenity Now...... On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: ? Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was designed to a budget.? These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses.? As such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil.? And those things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry the current for everything on that circuit.? But the wires were sized for the particular load.? A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and under? short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause the insulation to melt. Another factor against us is the age of the harness.? The connector contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances.? Wire strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in overheating under normal use.? The insulation gets stiff and cracks exposing the wires within.? Lots of potential failure modes here.? Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of fuses.? Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have their own fuses.? This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for the wire used to power that device.? Also the connectors used are water tight and don't corrode as quickly.? Also, they are, on the whole, a lot younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness may be a good investment. Dave -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher To: Tom Householder Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash.? I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could melt. Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? Trying to answer a question asked of me. Tom ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs ?http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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I > want to take it out and go back to the original TR3 breather. How hard is > it to get the TR4 breather plug out? I am thinking about drilling a 3/8? > hole and trying to pull it out with a little homemade puller. I am > wondering how hard they are jammed in. > > TIA, > > > > Bill in Morro Bay (formally Bill in Tehachapi) > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From darrellw360 at mac.com Wed Jun 24 16:02:31 2020 From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 15:02:31 -0700 Subject: [TR] TR3 Breather vs TR4 Breather Plug In-Reply-To: References: <028801d64a6f$1fd69470$5f83bd50$.ref@yahoo.com> <028801d64a6f$1fd69470$5f83bd50$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: I took a different route when I decided to remove mine. I was afraid to punch a hole in it and then not be able to get it out (engine was installed), so I glued chunk of threaded rod (cut from a bolt) into the plug with JBWeld. I section of thread was drilled and tapped to accept a smaller bolt as a puller. First attempt pulled the epoxy plug out, but the second try worked a treat. I think the first attempt helped to remove any contamination that was there. -Darrell > On Jun 24, 2020, at 2:50 PM, Geo Hahn wrote: > > Bill - > > Not very difficult to remove as they are basically stamped sheet metal. A 3/8" hole may be overkill - I just Dremeled a bit to weaken a spot in the center, then hammered a stubby flat-blade screwdriver into it. That let me twist and pry the plug out. > > Not much working room down there but I didn't want to get metal bits into the crankcase. > > In case you're thinking about getting at it from the inside -- no access there as the plug goes into a blind area. > > Geo > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 2:34 PM Bill Brewer > wrote: > I have a TR4 breather plug in my TR3 engine installed in my car. I want to take it out and go back to the original TR3 breather. How hard is it to get the TR4 breather plug out? I am thinking about drilling a 3/8? hole and trying to pull it out with a little homemade puller. 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These must have > existed originally, yes John? > > Rdgs, > > Don > > On Wed, Jun 24, 2020 at 11:01 AM John Macartney < > John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote: > >> I think Dave Massey is spot on in highlighting the things that can go >> wrong with old looms. He?s also correct in saying the cars were built to a >> budget and I?d add they were never built to last as long as so many have. >> Ten years was the engineered life expectancy. Dave is also prudent to >> comment on the very limited number of fuses for the US market. However, >> it?s worth pointing out that in the days of yore, cars bound for Italy and >> Sweden had completely different looms. IIRC, Italy spec cars had 12 main >> fuses and Sweden a few less. Sweden also banned the plating that was used >> on all hardware and fasteners and insisted on another form of plating. >> Trouble is, I can?t remember what it was now. So, if you?re planning on a >> new loom, get one made in Italy to original spec. Magneti Marelli used to >> have a subsidiary that made them. >> >> Jonmac >> >> At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: >> Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? >> Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? >> >> >> On 24 Jun 2020, at 15:52, bill beecher wrote: >> >> I counted, I only have two(2) fuses on my ?58 TR3. Where might the >> other be? >> Thx, >> Bill B >> TS30800L >> >> Serenity Now...... >> >> On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: >> >> ? >> Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was >> designed to a budget. These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses. As >> such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil. And those >> things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry >> the current for everything on that circuit. But the wires were sized for >> the particular load. A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and >> under short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that >> will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause >> the insulation to melt. >> >> Another factor against us is the age of the harness. The connector >> contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances. Wire >> strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in >> overheating under normal use. The insulation gets stiff and cracks >> exposing the wires within. Lots of potential failure modes here. >> >> Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of >> fuses. Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have >> their own fuses. This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for >> the wire used to power that device. Also the connectors used are water >> tight and don't corrode as quickly. Also, they are, on the whole, a lot >> younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. >> >> But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness >> may be a good investment. >> >> Dave >> >> >> >> -----Original Message----- >> From: bill beecher >> To: Tom Householder >> Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT >> List >> Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am >> Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs >> >> Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the >> dash. I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section >> could melt. >> Bill B >> >> Serenity Now...... >> >> On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder >> wrote: >> >> ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the >> looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? >> >> Trying to answer a question asked of me. >> >> Tom >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com >> >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk >> >> ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** >> >> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html >> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs >> http://www.team.net/archive >> >> Unsubscribe/Manage: >> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com >> > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 25 05:35:33 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 11:35:33 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <860449053.2478819.1593084933425@mail.yahoo.com> Since I am an EE type person, I redesigned a portion of the wire harness.? All the switched power circuits are powered through a relay (with the sole exception of the coil) and there are 9@ polyfuses ( solid state device that acts like a self-resetting fuse) for all of the switched loads.? This includes the addition of two convenience outlets (one switched and one unswitched), cruise control and an electric fuel pump. I also the more common addition of an electric fan and relays for the high and low beams.? And these heavy loads disengage whenever the starter is engaged.? A cool trick used on the TR8. I also know the bane of service people everywhere is undocumented changes.? Especially wiring changes.? So, I have also provided a wiring diagram of what I have done (attached). But then, I wasn't ham-strung by an accounting department.? My hat's off to the clever designers who did as well as they did given the budget they were given. Cheers, y'all. Dave -----Original Message----- From: John Macartney To: bill beecher Cc: DAVID MASSEY ; triumphs at autox.team.net ; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Wed, Jun 24, 2020 10:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs I think Dave Massey is spot on in highlighting the things that can go wrong with old looms. He?s also correct in saying the cars were built to a budget and I?d add they were never built to last as long as so many have. Ten years was the engineered life expectancy. Dave is also prudent to comment on the very limited number of fuses for the US market. However, it?s worth pointing out that in the days of yore, cars bound for Italy and Sweden had completely different looms. IIRC, Italy spec cars had 12 main fuses and Sweden a few less. Sweden also banned the plating that was used on all hardware and fasteners and insisted on another form of plating. Trouble is, I can?t remember what it was now. So, if you?re planning on a new loom, get one made in Italy to original spec. Magneti Marelli used to have a subsidiary that made them. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815:Lord Uxbridge: ??By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg?Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? On 24 Jun 2020, at 15:52, bill beecher wrote: I counted, I only have two(2) fuses on my ?58 TR3. ? Where might the other be?Thx,Bill BTS30800L Serenity Now...... On Jun 24, 2020, at 9:38 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: ? Keep in mind that these wire harnesses, like the car as a whole, was designed to a budget.? These harnesses had three (count 'em, 3) fuses.? As such some items were unfused like the headlamps and the coil.? And those things that are fused shared a fuse so the fuse had to be sized to carry the current for everything on that circuit.? But the wires were sized for the particular load.? A thinner wire will have a nigher resistance and under? short-circuit conditions the current can be limited to a level that will not blow the fuse but the current will cause enough heating to cause the insulation to melt. Another factor against us is the age of the harness.? The connector contacts get corroded and will get hot under normal circumstances.? Wire strands can fatigue and break within the insulation again resulting in overheating under normal use.? The insulation gets stiff and cracks exposing the wires within.? Lots of potential failure modes here.? Compare this design to those found in modern cars you will see dozens of fuses.? Sure there are a lot more electrical items but most things have their own fuses.? This means you can size the fuse more appropriately for the wire used to power that device.? Also the connectors used are water tight and don't corrode as quickly.? Also, they are, on the whole, a lot younger and therefore retain more of their original integrety. But a fresh works well enough so if you fear a melt-down a new harness may be a good investment. Dave -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher To: Tom Householder Cc: Triumphs at Autox.team.net daily digest ; FOT List Sent: Tue, Jun 23, 2020 8:52 am Subject: Re: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs Have a friend with a TR6 that had a significant meltdown behind the dash.? I should think, given the right set of weaknesses, most any section could melt. Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 23, 2020, at 4:52 AM, Tom Householder wrote: ?Over the years I have experienced and seen harness melt down in the looms to the tail lights .. anyone ever had an under dash melt down? Trying to answer a question asked of me. 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Given the lack of absolute uniformity in our cars I suppose too big is better than too small. When I make door rails I am always sure that they are just a bit long. Easy to cut just a bit off for a good fit. Bill B Serenity Now...... On Jun 25, 2020, at 11:20 AM, David Friedlander wrote: ? Hey all ~ I've been trying to fit the new TRF interior panels to my TR3A and find that, once the dogleg panels are in place on each side, the panel covering the gas tank is too wide to fit between them. Anyone else encountered this? Dave '59 T3 '74 TR6 ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Anyone else encountered this? > > Dave > '59 T3 > '74 TR6 > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/notakitcar at yahoo.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From notakitcar at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 14:51:12 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:51:12 -0500 Subject: [TR] Old tire/tyre date codes. References: Message-ID: I have a couple spare Michelin ?X? tires, made on France, that I know are at least from around 1990. Is there a date code for these older tires? Thx, Bill B Serenity Now...... From forzion7 at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 15:39:39 2020 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:39:39 -0400 Subject: [TR] Old tire/tyre date codes. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: Bill; Look closely: It might be there in Roman Numerals!! Hah! Dave On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 4:54 PM bill beecher wrote: > I have a couple spare Michelin ?X? tires, made on France, that I know are > at least from around 1990. Is there a date code for these older tires? > Thx, > Bill B > Serenity Now...... > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/forzion7 at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From fishplate at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 15:51:53 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 17:51:53 -0400 Subject: [TR] Old tire/tyre date codes. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: If it wAs legal for sale in the US, there is a code. It's a little different from the modern code, though. Google should help you out. My 1985 Redlines had a code. On Fri, Jun 26, 2020, 16:54 bill beecher wrote: > I have a couple spare Michelin ?X? tires, made on France, that I know are > at least from around 1990. Is there a date code for these older tires? > Thx, > Bill B > Serenity Now...... > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Fri Jun 26 16:59:06 2020 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 15:59:06 -0700 Subject: [TR] Old tire/tyre date codes. In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I believe a tire date code from the HW Bush era will only have a single digit year. We finally realized the 'odometer' was going to roll over and went to a 2 digit year in 2000. Geo On Fri, Jun 26, 2020 at 1:54 PM bill beecher wrote: > I have a couple spare Michelin ?X? tires, made on France, that I know are > at least from around 1990. Is there a date code for these older tires? > Thx, > Bill B > Serenity Now...... > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com Fri Jun 26 19:59:51 2020 From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer) Date: Fri, 26 Jun 2020 18:59:51 -0700 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem References: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> Hi Listers, I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn't actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss - aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn't actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn't actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small "bounceback resistor" on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles. Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? It seems like there would be plenty of electrical continuity from the transmission to the engine and chassis, so that shouldn't be it. Thanks in advance, -Bill Brewer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sat Jun 27 06:06:06 2020 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 08:06:06 -0400 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem In-Reply-To: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> References: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$.ref@yahoo.com> <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <004901d64c7b$56ee6240$04cb26c0$@uprichard.net> I recently went through FOUR aftermarket voltage regulators on a TR4. They came from different vendors and lasted anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks. I sourced an original from Marv Gruber and it has worked fine ever since. What are the chances you could get your hands on a nice original solenoid? Randall Young is in a rehab hospital (Kindred hospital in Pasadena) following a stroke. I have spoken to him several times and encouraged him to comply with the physical therapy as there were so many TRs waiting for his advice! It has been a bad year for him - his father died just a few months ago. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, michigan From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Bill Brewer Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:00 PM To: Triumphs List Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Hi Listers, I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn't actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss - aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn't actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn't actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small "bounceback resistor" on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles. Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? It seems like there would be plenty of electrical continuity from the transmission to the engine and chassis, so that shouldn't be it. Thanks in advance, -Bill Brewer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sat Jun 27 06:31:29 2020 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 08:31:29 -0400 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem References: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$.ref@yahoo.com> <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000001d64c7e$e2e188b0$a8a49a10$@uprichard.net> Sorry - Randall is in Kindred hospital, Paramount, CA From: andrew uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:06 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' ; 'Triumphs List' Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem I recently went through FOUR aftermarket voltage regulators on a TR4. They came from different vendors and lasted anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks. I sourced an original from Marv Gruber and it has worked fine ever since. What are the chances you could get your hands on a nice original solenoid? Randall Young is in a rehab hospital (Kindred hospital in Pasadena) following a stroke. I have spoken to him several times and encouraged him to comply with the physical therapy as there were so many TRs waiting for his advice! It has been a bad year for him - his father died just a few months ago. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, michigan From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Bill Brewer Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:00 PM To: Triumphs List > Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Hi Listers, I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn't actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss - aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn't actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn't actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small "bounceback resistor" on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles. Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? It seems like there would be plenty of electrical continuity from the transmission to the engine and chassis, so that shouldn't be it. Thanks in advance, -Bill Brewer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sat Jun 27 07:23:26 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 08:23:26 -0500 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem In-Reply-To: <000001d64c7e$e2e188b0$a8a49a10$@uprichard.net> References: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$.ref@yahoo.com> <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> <000001d64c7e$e2e188b0$a8a49a10$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <002601d64c86$251dd8d0$6f598a70$@ranteer.com> Were any of those failures digital or were they all analog? From: Triumphs On Behalf Of andrew uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:31 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' ; 'Triumphs List' Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Sorry - Randall is in Kindred hospital, Paramount, CA From: andrew uprichard > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:06 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem I recently went through FOUR aftermarket voltage regulators on a TR4. They came from different vendors and lasted anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks. I sourced an original from Marv Gruber and it has worked fine ever since. What are the chances you could get your hands on a nice original solenoid? Randall Young is in a rehab hospital (Kindred hospital in Pasadena) following a stroke. I have spoken to him several times and encouraged him to comply with the physical therapy as there were so many TRs waiting for his advice! It has been a bad year for him - his father died just a few months ago. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, michigan From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Bill Brewer Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:00 PM To: Triumphs List > Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Hi Listers, I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn't actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss - aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn't actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn't actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small "bounceback resistor" on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles. Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? 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From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of andrew uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:31 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Sorry - Randall is in Kindred hospital, Paramount, CA From: andrew uprichard > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:06 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem I recently went through FOUR aftermarket voltage regulators on a TR4. They came from different vendors and lasted anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks. I sourced an original from Marv Gruber and it has worked fine ever since. What are the chances you could get your hands on a nice original solenoid? Randall Young is in a rehab hospital (Kindred hospital in Pasadena) following a stroke. I have spoken to him several times and encouraged him to comply with the physical therapy as there were so many TRs waiting for his advice! It has been a bad year for him - his father died just a few months ago. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, michigan From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Bill Brewer Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:00 PM To: Triumphs List > Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Hi Listers, I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn't actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss - aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn't actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn't actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small "bounceback resistor" on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles. Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? It seems like there would be plenty of electrical continuity from the transmission to the engine and chassis, so that shouldn't be it. Thanks in advance, -Bill Brewer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave at ranteer.com Sat Jun 27 08:17:38 2020 From: dave at ranteer.com (dave) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 09:17:38 -0500 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem In-Reply-To: <006701d64c88$41035910$c30a0b30$@uprichard.net> References: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$.ref@yahoo.com> <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> <000001d64c7e$e2e188b0$a8a49a10$@uprichard.net> <002601d64c86$251dd8d0$6f598a70$@ranteer.com> <006701d64c88$41035910$c30a0b30$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <000901d64c8d$b72fc830$258f5890$@ranteer.com> That would suggest to me that you have a power issue. From: andrew uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:39 AM To: 'dave' ; 'Triumphs List' Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem They were all digital. From: Triumphs On Behalf Of dave Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:23 AM To: 'Triumphs List' Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Were any of those failures digital or were they all analog? From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of andrew uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:31 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Sorry - Randall is in Kindred hospital, Paramount, CA From: andrew uprichard > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:06 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem I recently went through FOUR aftermarket voltage regulators on a TR4. They came from different vendors and lasted anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks. I sourced an original from Marv Gruber and it has worked fine ever since. What are the chances you could get your hands on a nice original solenoid? Randall Young is in a rehab hospital (Kindred hospital in Pasadena) following a stroke. I have spoken to him several times and encouraged him to comply with the physical therapy as there were so many TRs waiting for his advice! It has been a bad year for him - his father died just a few months ago. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, michigan From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Bill Brewer Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:00 PM To: Triumphs List > Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Hi Listers, I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn't actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss - aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn't actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn't actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small "bounceback resistor" on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles. Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? It seems like there would be plenty of electrical continuity from the transmission to the engine and chassis, so that shouldn't be it. Thanks in advance, -Bill Brewer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From auprichard at uprichard.net Sat Jun 27 10:31:35 2020 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 12:31:35 -0400 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem In-Reply-To: <000901d64c8d$b72fc830$258f5890$@ranteer.com> References: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$.ref@yahoo.com> <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> <000001d64c7e$e2e188b0$a8a49a10$@uprichard.net> <002601d64c86$251dd8d0$6f598a70$@ranteer.com> <006701d64c88$41035910$c30a0b30$@uprichard.net> <000901d64c8d$b72fc830$258f5890$@ranteer.com> Message-ID: <002f01d64ca0$6db9f4b0$492dde10$@uprichard.net> What kind of a power issue? 12 volts in, 10 volts out. Andrew From: Triumphs On Behalf Of dave Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 10:18 AM To: 'Triumphs List' Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem That would suggest to me that you have a power issue. From: andrew uprichard > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:39 AM To: 'dave' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem They were all digital. From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of dave Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 9:23 AM To: 'Triumphs List' > Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Were any of those failures digital or were they all analog? From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of andrew uprichard Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 7:31 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Sorry - Randall is in Kindred hospital, Paramount, CA From: andrew uprichard > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:06 AM To: 'Bill Brewer' >; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem I recently went through FOUR aftermarket voltage regulators on a TR4. They came from different vendors and lasted anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks. I sourced an original from Marv Gruber and it has worked fine ever since. What are the chances you could get your hands on a nice original solenoid? Randall Young is in a rehab hospital (Kindred hospital in Pasadena) following a stroke. I have spoken to him several times and encouraged him to comply with the physical therapy as there were so many TRs waiting for his advice! It has been a bad year for him - his father died just a few months ago. Andrew Uprichard Jackson, michigan From: Triumphs > On Behalf Of Bill Brewer Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:00 PM To: Triumphs List > Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Hi Listers, I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn't actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss - aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn't actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn't actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small "bounceback resistor" on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles. Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? It seems like there would be plenty of electrical continuity from the transmission to the engine and chassis, so that shouldn't be it. Thanks in advance, -Bill Brewer -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From spamiam at comcast.net Sat Jun 27 12:51:51 2020 From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 14:51:51 -0400 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Message-ID: When you say ?digital?. Do you really mean microprocessor-controlled or just generally ?solid-state? I certainly agree that four failures in a row suggests something is funky with your power, and you may have high voltage spikes coming from somewhere that is damaging the electronics in the regulator. True digital, microprocessor-controlled, is very very sensitive to voltage spikes. Analog solid-state regulators are substantially more durable, but they still need really good spike protection with some BIG fat components to handle the spike power. When I had a really bad sparkplug wire (or several) it must have been making some seriously high voltage spikes which took out the old original voltage stabilizer and in old original coil. -Tony > > On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:04 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Message: 13 > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 09:17:38 -0500 > From: "dave" > To: "'Triumphs List'" > Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem > Message-ID: <000901d64c8d$b72fc830$258f5890$@ranteer.com> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > That would suggest to me that you have a power issue. > > > > From: andrew uprichard > Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 8:39 AM > To: 'dave' ; 'Triumphs List' > Subject: RE: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem > > > > They were all digital. > From spamiam at comcast.net Sat Jun 27 13:04:45 2020 From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 15:04:45 -0400 Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem Message-ID: <454B32A5-A07F-46FB-8AE2-BE2284B793E0@comcast.net> Ooooohhhhh, you mean your voltage ?stabilizer?!!! I always think of the ?voltage regulator??as the device that controls the generator! The transistor voltage stabilizers I have seen use a simple diode plus transistor to do the work. This is not ideal. It is only approximately 10 volts and it varies with current load. Bad spikes can definitely damage those components and there is no spike ?protection? as such in these stabilizers. I made my own stabilizer with a 10 volt automotive-rated regulator LM-2940-10. I didn?t use any extra spike protection, just the recommended capacitors. And it has been perfect for about 16 years! -Tony Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine > On Jun 27, 2020, at 2:04 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote: > > Message: 14 > Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 12:31:35 -0400 > From: "andrew uprichard" > To: "'dave'" , "'Triumphs List'" > > Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem > Message-ID: <002f01d64ca0$6db9f4b0$492dde10$@uprichard.net> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii" > > What kind of a power issue? 12 volts in, 10 volts out. > > > > Andrew From dbh97530 at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 14:55:12 2020 From: dbh97530 at gmail.com (David B Hammond) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 13:55:12 -0700 Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <002401d64cc5$40f98150$c2ec83f0$@com> I just stumbled across this car. A 49 triumph razorback. Been sitting for years. Can anyone tell me about value? This one needs restoration. Value now and finished? David in Oregon -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From ahwahneetr at gmail.com Sat Jun 27 16:58:07 2020 From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 15:58:07 -0700 Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback In-Reply-To: <002401d64cc5$40f98150$c2ec83f0$@com> References: <002401d64cc5$40f98150$c2ec83f0$@com> Message-ID: There is a (UK) club site: http://www.trocltd.com/ BTW - it's Razoredge, not Razorback (the latter being an Arkansas thing). If you're looking for a quick profit this may not be the one. If you're looking for the style and grace of Pre-War motorcars in a more recent edition then this is almost the last of that breed. Geo On Sat, Jun 27, 2020 at 1:55 PM David B Hammond wrote: > I just stumbled across this car. A 49 triumph razorback. Been sitting for > years. Can anyone tell me about value? This one needs restoration. Value > now and finished? > David in Oregon > > > > > -- > This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. > https://www.avast.com/antivirus > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ahwahneetr at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Sat Jun 27 17:00:36 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Sat, 27 Jun 2020 23:00:36 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem In-Reply-To: <004901d64c7b$56ee6240$04cb26c0$@uprichard.net> References: <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$.ref@yahoo.com> <042801d64c26$a5cc0d90$f16428b0$@yahoo.com> <004901d64c7b$56ee6240$04cb26c0$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <438400117.3326523.1593298836303@mail.yahoo.com> I wish Randall a quick recovery as much as it can be.? I am also saddened to hear about his father.? John Young was a fine gentleman and I had the pleasure of meeting him on several occasions.? I guess that's the penalty of a long life, you loose so many good friends. Thanks for the update. Dave -----Original Message----- From: andrew uprichard To: 'Bill Brewer' ; 'Triumphs List' Sent: Sat, Jun 27, 2020 7:06 am Subject: Re: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem I recently went through FOUR aftermarket voltage regulators on a TR4.? They came from different vendors and lasted anywhere from a few minutes to a few weeks.? I sourced an original from Marv Gruber and it has worked fine ever since.? What are the chances you could get your hands on a nice original solenoid? ?Randall Young is in a rehab hospital (Kindred hospital in Pasadena) following a stroke.? I have spoken to him several times and encouraged him to comply with the physical therapy as there were so many TRs waiting for his advice!? It has been a bad year for him ? his father died just a few months ago. ?Andrew UprichardJackson, michigan ?From: Triumphs On Behalf Of Bill Brewer Sent: Friday, June 26, 2020 10:00 PM To: Triumphs List Subject: [TR] Perplexing A-Type OD Problem ?Hi Listers,???? I was on a trip driving my TR3 that has a TR4 overdrive trans in it. The OD had been working fine and then suddenly nothing would happen when I threw the switch. I checked the relay with a test lamp and the C2 output terminal (yellow/purple wire) lights up fine but the solenoid wouldn?t actuate. I tested the solenoid (Moss ? aftermarket) on my workbench and it seems to pull in fine. It probably only has 5,000 miles on it and looks almost new. I put it back in the car and it doesn?t actuate. I ran a new wire straight from the C2 terminal on the relay to the installed solenoid and it still doesn?t actuate, although I can move the actuation lever by hand. Evidently the solenoid is bad again. It seems like I go through OD solenoids fairly regularly. Randall (does anyone know how he is doing???) had me install a small ?bounceback resistor? on the from the C2 output terminal on the relay to ground to eliminate bounceback voltage spikes. Any idea why I would be going through solenoids so regularly? I seem to change them out about every 10,000 miles.???? Could it be a grounding issue for the solenoid? It seems like there would be plenty of electrical continuity from the transmission to the engine and chassis, so that shouldn?t be it.???? Thanks in advance, ????? -Bill Brewer** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/dave1massey at cs.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 29 06:57:52 2020 From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 05:57:52 -0700 Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback In-Reply-To: <002401d64cc5$40f98150$c2ec83f0$@com> References: <002401d64cc5$40f98150$c2ec83f0$@com> Message-ID: <055d01d64e14$e6b9ff70$b42dfe50$@yahoo.com> I had a 1952 Triumph Renown for 7 years and just sold it about 3 or 4 months ago. I had to sell it quickly as I was relocating and had no place to keep it. Mine was complete, running and driving. I loved it. The car looked great, but needed a lot of love. They all do. Mine had a crack in the engine block and leaked about a quart of oil every 10 miles, mostly blowing past the rear seal. They sure are cute. The car felt terrifying about 60 mph. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmEkHD8RpE&t=5s There is an active club in UK, but a Razoredge owner in the states is a lonely guy. The Triumph Razoredge Owners Club website is http://www.trocltd.com/. There is also a Renown group on Facebook. Spare body panels and trim are essentially non-existent. Same with proprietary rubber parts. Usually Triumph Razoredge projects go in the $5,000 range if they are complete and not basket cases. Restored Razoredges command a lot less money that a TR3, usually around $10,000 or $12,000. There just isn't the demand for them. I sold my Renown to a friend in Utah who will love it and keep it on the road. You will not make money with the car. You'll love it though. -Bill Brewer -----Original Message----- From: David B Hammond [mailto:dbh97530 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:55 PM To: 'Anthony Rhodes'; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback I just stumbled across this car. A 49 triumph razorback. Been sitting for years. Can anyone tell me about value? This one needs restoration. Value now and finished? David in Oregon -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus From notakitcar at yahoo.com Mon Jun 29 14:53:15 2020 From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 15:53:15 -0500 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?b?Q29wcGVyIHYgU3RlZWwgRmlnIOKAnDjigJ0=?= References: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709.ref@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> Just received my 87mm pistons and liners from TRF, the package included steel figure eight gaskets, my gasket kit from TRF included copper ones. Is there any consensus as to which is preferred? Thanks, Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jun 29 15:08:17 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 17:08:17 -0400 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?b?Q29wcGVyIHYgU3RlZWwgRmlnIOKAnDjigJ0=?= In-Reply-To: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> References: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709.ref@yahoo.com> <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <491BDF3913DC4F958B22962CEFD267F7@VlackTK121647> You should measure the liner protrusion with one or the other installed. In my case I found the figure 8's were different thickness. Use the figure 8's that result in your liner protrusion being within spec. JVV -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 4:53 PM To: Dave Ranteer Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig ?8? Just received my 87mm pistons and liners from TRF, the package included steel figure eight gaskets, my gasket kit from TRF included copper ones. Is there any consensus as to which is preferred? Thanks, Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From auprichard at uprichard.net Mon Jun 29 16:01:52 2020 From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:01:52 -0400 Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" In-Reply-To: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> References: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709.ref@yahoo.com> <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <000a01d64e60$e682ff60$b388fe20$@uprichard.net> Since these gaskets have to make a seal, I have always preferred the copper ones. I know some people use sealer with the steel ones, but I have no experience with them. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs On Behalf Of bill beecher Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 4:53 PM To: Dave Ranteer Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" Just received my 87mm pistons and liners from TRF, the package included steel figure eight gaskets, my gasket kit from TRF included copper ones. Is there any consensus as to which is preferred? Thanks, Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net From jerryvv at roadrunner.com Mon Jun 29 17:02:36 2020 From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 19:02:36 -0400 Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" In-Reply-To: <000a01d64e60$e682ff60$b388fe20$@uprichard.net> References: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709.ref@yahoo.com> <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> <000a01d64e60$e682ff60$b388fe20$@uprichard.net> Message-ID: <30350EDF0FF5479BABC0A75D591D3473@VlackTK121647> I've used both , never had an issue with either material. I do put a very light smear of sealer on them. -----Original Message----- From: andrew uprichard Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 6:01 PM To: 'bill beecher' ; 'Dave Ranteer' Subject: Re: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" Since these gaskets have to make a seal, I have always preferred the copper ones. I know some people use sealer with the steel ones, but I have no experience with them. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs On Behalf Of bill beecher Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 4:53 PM To: Dave Ranteer Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" Just received my 87mm pistons and liners from TRF, the package included steel figure eight gaskets, my gasket kit from TRF included copper ones. Is there any consensus as to which is preferred? Thanks, Bill B TS30800L Serenity Now...... ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/auprichard at uprichard.net ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv at roadrunner.com From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Mon Jun 29 17:10:31 2020 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 23:10:31 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" In-Reply-To: <30350EDF0FF5479BABC0A75D591D3473@VlackTK121647> References: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709.ref@yahoo.com> <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> <000a01d64e60$e682ff60$b388fe20$@uprichard.net> <30350EDF0FF5479BABC0A75D591D3473@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: <1180008653.3624786.1593472231971@mail.yahoo.com> i always give a good coat of hylomar frank On Monday, June 29, 2020, 04:03:02 PM PDT, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: I've used both , never had an issue with either material. I do put a very light smear of sealer on them. -----Original Message----- From: andrew uprichard Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 6:01 PM To: 'bill beecher' ; 'Dave Ranteer' Subject: Re: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" Since these gaskets have to make a seal, I have always preferred the copper ones.? I know some people use sealer with the steel ones, but I have no experience with them. Andrew -----Original Message----- From: Triumphs On Behalf Of bill beecher Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 4:53 PM To: Dave Ranteer Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig "8" Just received my 87mm pistons and liners from TRF, the package included steel figure eight gaskets, my gasket kit from TRF included copper ones.? Is there any consensus as to which is preferred? 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URL: From tony at tonydrews.com Mon Jun 29 17:50:41 2020 From: tony at tonydrews.com (Tony Drews) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 18:50:41 -0500 Subject: [TR] =?utf-8?b?Q29wcGVyIHYgU3RlZWwgRmlnIOKAnDjigJ0=?= In-Reply-To: <491BDF3913DC4F958B22962CEFD267F7@VlackTK121647> References: <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709.ref@yahoo.com> <16496552-226F-4AE4-BE44-AAF386C78709@yahoo.com> <491BDF3913DC4F958B22962CEFD267F7@VlackTK121647> Message-ID: What Jerry said.? I've had the same experience - different thicknesses. - Tony Drews On 6/29/2020 4:08 PM, Jerry Van Vlack wrote: > You should measure the liner protrusion with one or the other > installed. In my case I found the figure 8's were different thickness. > Use the figure 8's that result in your liner protrusion being within > spec. > JVV > > -----Original Message----- From: bill beecher > Sent: Monday, June 29, 2020 4:53 PM > To: Dave Ranteer > Subject: [TR] Copper v Steel Fig ?8? > > Just received my 87mm pistons and liners from TRF, the package > included steel figure eight gaskets, my gasket kit from TRF included > copper ones.? Is there any consensus as to which is preferred? > Thanks, > Bill B > TS30800L > > Serenity Now...... > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/jerryvv at roadrunner.com > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/tony at tonydrews.com From fishplate at gmail.com Mon Jun 29 19:03:53 2020 From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough) Date: Mon, 29 Jun 2020 21:03:53 -0400 Subject: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: I don't know that it's tilted to the right (I never noticed) but I do know that there are two close-fitting pins to use to get the gearbox properly aligned to the backplate on the engine. When all the other bolts are tight, you push the pins out and slide the last two bolts in those holes. On Mon, Jun 29, 2020 at 7:53 PM Sujit Roy wrote: > > > While installing the gearbox this weekend on a Stag, I noticed the gearbox is very slightly tilted to the right. I'm wondering if the TR6 which shares a similar looking box is also tilted? > If it is does anyone know why? > Sujit > > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/fishplate at gmail.com From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk Tue Jun 30 05:19:24 2020 From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 12:19:24 +0100 Subject: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD In-Reply-To: References: Message-ID: <69354F56-C6F0-48D1-B06D-AE67CEE86B55@Ukpips.org.uk> The in line six engine was tilted by six degrees on the Triumph 2000 and 2500 to achieve a low bonnet line. As the Stag was originally planned to have two engines - the 2500 six and the V8, the position of the engine mounts was clearly never changed. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 30 Jun 2020, at 00:50, Sujit Roy wrote: > > > While installing the gearbox this weekend on a Stag, I noticed the gearbox is very slightly tilted to the right. I'm wondering if the TR6 which shares a similar looking box is also tilted? > If it is does anyone know why? > Sujit > > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From triumphstag at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 10:27:20 2020 From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 09:27:20 -0700 Subject: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD In-Reply-To: <69354F56-C6F0-48D1-B06D-AE67CEE86B55@Ukpips.org.uk> References: <69354F56-C6F0-48D1-B06D-AE67CEE86B55@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: Hello Jonmac, Thanks for your email. On the Stag, the engine appears level. The offset is taken up by the engine plate. I dont have my parts book with me but was that engine plate repurposed from a Triumph 2000, 2.5 as there are some oddities on it which don't match up with the bell housing on the Stag. Regards, Sujit On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:19 AM John Macartney wrote: > The in line six engine was tilted by six degrees on the Triumph 2000 and > 2500 to achieve a low bonnet line. As the Stag was originally planned to > have two engines - the 2500 six and the V8, the position of the engine > mounts was clearly never changed. > > Jonmac > > At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: > Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? > Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > > > On 30 Jun 2020, at 00:50, Sujit Roy wrote: > > > While installing the gearbox this weekend on a Stag, I noticed the gearbox > is very slightly tilted to the right. I'm wondering if the TR6 which shares > a similar looking box is also tilted? > If it is does anyone know why? > Sujit > > Sujit Roy > Cupertino, California > > https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk > > -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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Trouble is, I can?t > > remember what it was now. > > My first guess would be zinc chromate, which, even here in the U.S., has > been declared to be rather environmentally unfriendly. > > > Cheers, John. > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking > distance.... > > > ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** > > Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html > Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs > http://www.team.net/archive > > Unsubscribe/Manage: > http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/don.hiscock at gmail.com > -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From mdporter at dfn.com Wed Jun 24 22:32:00 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Wed, 24 Jun 2020 22:32:00 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> <933f36d8-2f91-ba76-19ba-10d23ae96a75@dfn.com> Message-ID: On 6/24/2020 10:25 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: > I might have thought cadmium too, Michael. > A better guess than mine, actually, since cad plate was in very common use and produces toxic fumes when heated.? And while zinc chromate was available, it was more expensive, so, cadmium plating would be a prime candidate. Good catch. Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk Thu Jun 25 00:33:41 2020 From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 07:33:41 +0100 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> <933f36d8-2f91-ba76-19ba-10d23ae96a75@dfn.com> Message-ID: <6F27BA95-BE76-4207-A08D-BE2B06446C3B@Ukpips.org.uk> That?s it, cadmium was banned. But what did they use as an alternative? Sorry, memory banks voided! Don?s query about whether the different looms applied to sidescreen TR? Possibly. Sweden changed its rule of the road from rhs to LHD in about 1963. However, several years before that change, vehicles to meet the new standard were being shipped there and their specifications often included future planned features effective from a future date. As an example, hazard warning flashers were mandatory as Federal spec from 1968 or 69 for the US. Several other countries were planning to make these a legal requirement at later dates but it made sense to line fit them to all cars regardless. Perhaps if Bror Hultgren Triumph Club of Sweden is still on this list he can provide an answer? Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? > On 25 Jun 2020, at 05:32, Michael Porter wrote: > >> On 6/24/2020 10:25 PM, Don Hiscock wrote: >> I might have thought cadmium too, Michael. >> > A better guess than mine, actually, since cad plate was in very common use and produces toxic fumes when heated. And while zinc chromate was available, it was more expensive, so, cadmium plating would be a prime candidate. > > Good catch. > > > Cheers. > > > -- > > > Michael Porter > Roswell, NM > > > Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... > > From mdporter at dfn.com Thu Jun 25 06:33:58 2020 From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 06:33:58 -0600 Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: <860449053.2478819.1593084933425@mail.yahoo.com> References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> <860449053.2478819.1593084933425@mail.yahoo.com> Message-ID: <14e9077b-728e-eee0-1c51-ee55f40532f3@dfn.com> On 6/25/2020 5:35 AM, DAVID MASSEY wrote: > > > But then, I wasn't ham-strung by an accounting department.? My hat's > off to the clever designers who did as well as they did given the > budget they were given. > Cost is always an issue, but reliability should count, especially for those driving the cars regularly.? Those desperate to maintain originality, well, yeah, I understand that motive, but, really, the improvements over the decades for just connectors and terminals is dramatic.? Deutsch connectors are advertised as resisting moisture intrusion even when submerged in four feet of water for an hour.? One of the weak spots in the original harnesses were the bulkhead fittings.? Eventually those will leak in very wet conditions, but, waterproof bulkhead connectors are now available from a variety of manufacturers, and make an excellent modification everywhere that the harness passes through a panel fitted with a grommet. Tradition is fine, but old methods encourage old problems.? I still recall Jaguar proudly announcing that its pre-prototype XJ220 had been completely wired to (older) aircraft standards, only to watch an electrical fire burn the car to the ground in the pits. It doesn't take much for an electrical problem to reduce a vehicle to junk.? At the bus company, we contracted someone to make a flasher for us that met the specs of the infamous Chicago Transit Authority, and the goddamned thing overheated and burned I don't how many buses to the ground.? The one I had to strip and repair after an interior fire was gutted right down to the floorboards, and the only thing that protected the floorboards from catching fire was melted linoleum flooring.... Cheers. -- Michael Porter Roswell, NM Never let anyone drive you crazy when you know it's within walking distance.... -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... 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URL: From dave1massey at cs.com Thu Jun 25 15:23:06 2020 From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY) Date: Thu, 25 Jun 2020 21:23:06 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs In-Reply-To: <029a01d64b1d$c891c720$59b55560$@bell.net> References: <35829924.2130934.1593009476585@mail.yahoo.com> <860449053.2478819.1593084933425@mail.yahoo.com> <029a01d64b1d$c891c720$59b55560$@bell.net> Message-ID: <1566552695.2714814.1593120186758@mail.yahoo.com> It's magic. Also, the car apparently? runs fine without spark plugs. Dave -----Original Message----- From: Keith Stewart To: 'DAVID MASSEY' ; John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk; notakitcar at yahoo.com Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net; fot at autox.team.net Sent: Thu, Jun 25, 2020 1:23 pm Subject: RE: [TR] TR2-3 electrical melt downs #yiv9636592377 #yiv9636592377 -- _filtered {} _filtered {}#yiv9636592377 #yiv9636592377 p.yiv9636592377MsoNormal, #yiv9636592377 li.yiv9636592377MsoNormal, #yiv9636592377 div.yiv9636592377MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;}#yiv9636592377 span.yiv9636592377EmailStyle19 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;}#yiv9636592377 .yiv9636592377MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {}#yiv9636592377 div.yiv9636592377WordSection1 {}#yiv9636592377 DAVID MASSEY ?wrote: ?I also know the bane of service people everywhere is undocumented changes.? Especially wiring changes.? So, I have also provided a wiring diagram of what I have done (attached).++++++++++Does that Crane XR700 connect by Bluetooth or is it just attached to the inner fender with no electrical connections? ? ? ?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net ? ? -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk Tue Jun 30 12:04:32 2020 From: john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 19:04:32 +0100 Subject: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD In-Reply-To: References: <69354F56-C6F0-48D1-B06D-AE67CEE86B55@Ukpips.org.uk> Message-ID: <009e01d64f08$e8d53d70$ba7fb850$@ukpips.org.uk> Hi, Sujit In answer to your query, very likely. I never got really close to engineering variances because I was in Export Sales but part of the job was to study and remember all the Engineering Change Bulletins and Service campaign changes. It makes sense to have an engine plate that would cover both engines and especially for Stag. What many people don?t know is that the Stag was originally going to have the TR6 2498cc engine as standard for all markets except North America where the V8 was to be a standard fitting with the V8 also being optional for all other markets. The decision to fit the V8 for all markets was taken very late in the day. I doubt there would be different engine mounts for the in-line or V8 because quite a large number of Stags in the UK have been retro fitted with the 2498cc engine, suitably tuned with twin SU carbs, a. TR5 cylinder head and camshaft and they are just a quick as the V8. The only thing missing is the V8 noise. Upgrading the axle ratio from the original 3.7:1 unit in favour of one from the fuel injected saloon of 3.45:1 is another improvement, especially with a four speed Borg Warner or ZF slush box from a Volvo or BMW. As you may know, the Stag body was a shorter version of the larger saloon car whose monocoque body was exceptionally rigid. I do clearly recall the torsional rigidity of the saloon was exceptional for its day, requiring 6,500 lbs/ft of torque to twist it one degree. By Michelotti revamping the saloon into an open top tourer, much of that rigidity would be lost and that is why the ?T? bar was fitted. It wasn?t quite as twist resistant as the saloon, but good enough. At least you didn?t have to call on brute strength to line up the soft or hard top to engage the locking pegs on the screen rail. Hope this helps. Jonmac From: Sujit Roy Sent: 30 June 2020 17:27 To: John Macartney Cc: Triumphs Subject: Re: [TR] Manual gearbox with J type OD Hello Jonmac, Thanks for your email. On the Stag, the engine appears level. The offset is taken up by the engine plate. I dont have my parts book with me but was that engine plate repurposed from a Triumph 2000, 2.5 as there are some oddities on it which don't match up with the bell housing on the Stag. Regards, Sujit On Tue, Jun 30, 2020 at 4:19 AM John Macartney > wrote: The in line six engine was tilted by six degrees on the Triumph 2000 and 2500 to achieve a low bonnet line. As the Stag was originally planned to have two engines - the 2500 six and the V8, the position of the engine mounts was clearly never changed. Jonmac At the Battle of Waterloo, 1815: Lord Uxbridge: ?By God, Sir - I?ve lost my leg? Duke of Wellington: ?By God, Sir - so you have!? On 30 Jun 2020, at 00:50, Sujit Roy > wrote: While installing the gearbox this weekend on a Stag, I noticed the gearbox is very slightly tilted to the right. I'm wondering if the TR6 which shares a similar looking box is also tilted? If it is does anyone know why? Sujit Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/john.macartney at ukpips.org.uk -- Sujit Roy Cupertino, California https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/ -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From forzion7 at gmail.com Tue Jun 30 13:01:13 2020 From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 15:01:13 -0400 Subject: [TR] Original side curtain frames needed Message-ID: Hey all ~ I'm looking to get my side curtains rebuilt at TRF and find that they won't rebuild my aftermarket curtains (Amco?). Anyone have a Dzus- mounting set of side curtains that are in rebuildable condition that they could be persuaded to sell? If so, please contact me off-list.... Thank you!! Dave Friedlander -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com Tue Jun 30 16:04:27 2020 From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher) Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2020 22:04:27 +0000 (UTC) Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback In-Reply-To: <055d01d64e14$e6b9ff70$b42dfe50$@yahoo.com> References: <002401d64cc5$40f98150$c2ec83f0$@com> <055d01d64e14$e6b9ff70$b42dfe50$@yahoo.com> Message-ID: <812088030.409561.1593554667317@mail.yahoo.com> but if anyone is interested, i know of a mayflower that is in great shape body wise, but needs finishing as a project.for sale at a bargain of a price.no financial interest on my part. frank On Tuesday, June 30, 2020, 11:16:41 AM PDT, Bill Brewer wrote: ? ? I had a 1952 Triumph Renown for 7 years and just sold it about 3 or 4 months ago. I had to sell it quickly as I was relocating and had no place to keep it. Mine was complete, running and driving. I loved it. The car looked great, but needed a lot of love. They all do. Mine had a crack in the engine block and leaked about a quart of oil every 10 miles, mostly blowing past the rear seal. They sure are cute. The car felt terrifying about 60 mph. ??? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=shmEkHD8RpE&t=5s ? ? There is an active club in UK, but a Razoredge owner in the states is a lonely guy. The Triumph Razoredge Owners Club website is http://www.trocltd.com/. There is also a Renown group on Facebook. ? ? Spare body panels and trim are essentially non-existent. Same with proprietary rubber parts. ? ? Usually Triumph Razoredge projects go in the $5,000 range if they are complete and not basket cases. Restored Razoredges command a lot less money that a TR3, usually around $10,000 or $12,000. There just isn't the demand for them. I sold my Renown to a friend in Utah who will love it and keep it on the road. ? ? You will not make money with the car. You'll love it though. ? ? -Bill Brewer -----Original Message----- From: David B Hammond [mailto:dbh97530 at gmail.com] Sent: Saturday, June 27, 2020 1:55 PM To: 'Anthony Rhodes'; triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: [TR] 49 triumph razorback I just stumbled across this car. A 49 triumph razorback. Been sitting for years. Can anyone tell me about value? This one needs restoration. Value now and finished? David in Oregon -- This email has been checked for viruses by Avast antivirus software. https://www.avast.com/antivirus ** triumphs at autox.team.net ** Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs http://www.team.net/archive Unsubscribe/Manage: http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/yellowtr3 at yahoo.com -------------- next part -------------- An HTML attachment was scrubbed... URL: