From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Mar  1 06:34:45 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 13:34:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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 Wouldn't stiffer springs give you less advance at idle and, hence, more advance at speed?
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Peter Arakelian <peterara at msn.com>
To: Tony Drews <tony at tonydrews.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Feb 29, 2020 2:02 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] distributor advance

#yiv4781498517 #yiv4781498517 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv4781498517 #yiv4781498517 p.yiv4781498517MsoNormal, #yiv4781498517 li.yiv4781498517MsoNormal, #yiv4781498517 div.yiv4781498517MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv4781498517 a:link, #yiv4781498517 span.yiv4781498517MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv4781498517 .yiv4781498517MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {} #yiv4781498517 div.yiv4781498517WordSection1 {} #yiv4781498517 I should have done this from the start.? checked the Bentley manual.? Lists my distributor and the advance specs.? Shows centrifugal advance at idle of 0-2 degrees on the crank.? So my stiffer springs are advancing too much initially, which will reduce the amount of extra advance I get at speed..? Will change back. ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10  ? From: Tony Drews
Sent: Saturday, February 29, 2020 10:16 AM
Subject: Re: distributor advance ? I'm not saying all advance is used at idle, but what I'm saying is that when all the mechanical advance is used, you're at a different advance setting than before (you had to change the timing after changing the springs, so when you do that the full advance amount changes correspondingly).? I'm unclear which direction it changed.? Your "at 3200 RPM" observation would almost always be at full advance regardless of which springs you're using.Stiffer springs should equate to less advance at idle than before I'd think.Regards, Tony DrewsOn 2/28/2020 8:09 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote: 
Tony, if I follow you correctly, you are saying that by changing the springs I may have made it so that all?the mechanical advance is used up at idle and?I?may have no more at speed.? Where with the older springs I would get mechanical advance later in the rpms and so have more advance at speed. Would the marking on the weight of 13 degrees indicate its maxium advance?? If so, I suspect I may in fact be using all the mechanical at idle since my idle timing jumped?past the pully markings and I can only estimate a 10-15 degree jump.?Maybe I should go back to the old springs. ? 
>>The springs should just change what RPM it takes to get to full advance 
but the full advance should be the same (weights against the stops).? 
I'm a little unclear on how much you changed the timing, it sounds like 
you had to retard the timing after the spring replacement - this would 
also retard the "all in" timing, which would be what you're running at 
3200 RPM.? It's possible it's worse at 3200 now than it was before 
because the full advance timing is now less.<<  ? ** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From PeterAra at msn.com  Sun Mar  1 12:39:36 2020
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 19:39:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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> Wouldn't stiffer springs give you less advance at idle and, hence, more advance at speed?<

That was my initial thought, too.  However, the way the system appears to work is that the weights pull out no matter which spring is used.  The springs determine how much of that pull is transferred to the distributor?s advance.   A stiffer spring will follow the pull of the weight more closely giving you advance sooner.  This was also borne out by what actually occurred. When I put the stiffer springs in the idle timing advanced by 10-15 degrees.


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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Mar  1 18:37:30 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 1 Mar 2020 20:37:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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you've got some other issue going on.

A stiffer spring would have not allowed the weights to swing out as far 
at lower rpms. It would NOT ADD idle advance over the original 
settings.?????? If anything...your original timing setting might have been 
now retarded as the new springs would have held the weights in longer up 
the rpm band, and possible at idle??? (new springs= no/less centripetal 
advance at idle).

If your timing is bouncing around or erractic...have to bothered to 
check the end float of your cam driven dist drive gear???? IIRC, something 
like 0.04" of uncontrolled float can create +/- 5 degrees of timing 
jitter.??? You stack (or remove) shims under the dist pedistal to correct 
the end float.

ptegler


On 3/1/2020 2:39 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
>
> > Wouldn't stiffer springs give you less advance at idle and, hence, 
> more advance at speed?<
>
> That was my initial thought, too.??? However, the way the system appears 
> to work is that the weights pull out no matter which spring is used.??? 
> The springs determine how much of that pull is transferred to the 
> distributor???s advance.?????? A stiffer spring will follow the pull of the 
> weight more closely giving you advance sooner.??? This was also borne 
> out by what actually occurred. When I put the stiffer springs in the 
> idle timing advanced by 10-15 degrees.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Mar  2 05:19:00 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 12:19:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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 I may be wrong here but I thought the springs resisted the pull from the weights and stiffer springs would make the advance come on more slowly.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 1, 2020 1:39 pm
Subject: [TR] distributor advance

 &lt;!-- #yiv3074945309 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv3074945309 #yiv3074945309 p.yiv3074945309MsoNormal, #yiv3074945309 li.yiv3074945309MsoNormal, #yiv3074945309 div.yiv3074945309MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv3074945309 a:link, #yiv3074945309 span.yiv3074945309MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3074945309 .yiv3074945309MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {} #yiv3074945309 div.yiv3074945309WordSection1 {} --&gt;> Wouldn't stiffer springs give you less advance at idle and, hence, more advance at speed?<  ? That was my initial thought, too.? However, the way the system appears to work is that the weights pull out no matter which spring is used.? The springs determine how much of that pull is transferred to the distributor?s advance.?? A stiffer spring will follow the pull of the weight more closely giving you advance sooner.? This was also borne out by what actually occurred. When I put the stiffer springs in the idle timing advanced by 10-15 degrees.

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From L1j1s at aol.com  Mon Mar  2 05:52:10 2020
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 07:52:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr-Tr3 ashtray face cover
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List, i have only a few remaining TR3 face covers for the ashtray plus other ashtray parts. If interested please contact me off list- l1j1s at aol.com.    Larry Schwartz
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From PeterAra at msn.com  Mon Mar  2 12:15:31 2020
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 19:15:31 +0000
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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>> A stiffer spring would have not allowed the weights to swing out as far
at lower rpms. It would NOT ADD idle advance over the original
settings.<<

I admit that I believed the stronger springs would reduce centripetal advance at idle .  But the empirical evidence shows otherwise.  When I put the
stiffer springs in the timing at idle ADVANCED 10-15 degrees.  It is very stable.

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Mar  2 12:26:02 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 19:26:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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 Most interesting.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 1:15 pm
Subject: [TR] distributor advance

 &lt;!-- #yiv4937071352 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv4937071352 #yiv4937071352 p.yiv4937071352MsoNormal, #yiv4937071352 li.yiv4937071352MsoNormal, #yiv4937071352 div.yiv4937071352MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv4937071352 a:link, #yiv4937071352 span.yiv4937071352MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv4937071352 .yiv4937071352MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {} #yiv4937071352 div.yiv4937071352WordSection1 {} --&gt;>> A stiffer spring would have not allowed the weights to swing out as far
at lower rpms. It would NOT ADD idle advance over the original 
settings.<< ? I admit that I believed the stronger springs would reduce centripetal advance at idle .? But the empirical evidence shows otherwise.? When I put thestiffer springs in the timing at idle ADVANCED 10-15 degrees.? It is very stable. ? Sent from Mail for Windows 10 ? ** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 13:45:07 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 15:45:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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Having studied this over and over again, even have gone as far as 
redesigning the whole timing system (during a F.I and full wasted spark 
conversion)??? ... and with simple physics behind me I can comfortably say 
your empirical data has to be flawed....no nice way to say it.

simple physics.... a tighter (stronger) spring will not extend as far as 
a lighter spring under the same weight applied.

Either you jostled something in the initial setup/study, or your post 
spring work setup shifted something, throwing one of the two data sets 
out as a valid data reference.

Either way,,,,this is possibly a mute point if it is now all working for 
you as expected.??? :-)

ptegler


On 3/2/2020 2:15 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:

> >> A stiffer spring would have not allowed the weights to swing out as 
> far
> at lower rpms. It would NOT ADD idle advance over the original
> settings.<<
>
> I admit that I believed the stronger springs would reduce centripetal 
> advance at idle .??? But the empirical evidence shows otherwise.??? When I 
> put the
>
> stiffer springs in the timing at idle ADVANCED 10-15 degrees.??? It is 
> very stable.
>
> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
> Windows 10
>
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From mdporter at dfn.com  Mon Mar  2 13:59:35 2020
From: mdporter at dfn.com (Michael Porter)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 13:59:35 -0700
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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On 3/2/2020 1:45 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>
> Having studied this over and over again, even have gone as far as 
> redesigning the whole timing system (during a F.I and full wasted 
> spark conversion)??? ... and with simple physics behind me I can 
> comfortably say your empirical data has to be flawed....no nice way to 
> say it.
>
> simple physics.... a tighter (stronger) spring will not extend as far 
> as a lighter spring under the same weight applied.
>
Wasn't it Randall who said early on that the main spring, though 
stiffer, was loose in its connection, which would account for the quick 
advance off idle?? In the case of the advance/idle retard mechanisms, 
the object was to get the engine at idle to burn off residual fuel in 
the exhaust manifold by retarding timing, but there was also a need for 
getting the advance up quickly since that was essential for off-idle 
performance, and slack in the spring mounting would accomplish that.? 
Only when that slack was taken up would the stiffer spring come into 
play and slow the rate of advance with rpm.


Cheers.

-- 


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Roswell, NM


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From tr3driver at ca.rr.com  Mon Mar  2 14:06:03 2020
From: tr3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Mon, 02 Mar 2020 15:06:03 -0600
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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Actually there is a reasonable explanation.
The heavier springs are also longer than the old ones, so the tension as installed is lower.

-- Randall

On 2 March 2020 14:45:07 GMT-06:00, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>Having studied this over and over again, even have gone as far as 
>redesigning the whole timing system (during a F.I and full wasted spark
>
>conversion)??? ... and with simple physics behind me I can comfortably
>say 
>your empirical data has to be flawed....no nice way to say it.
>
>simple physics.... a tighter (stronger) spring will not extend as far
>as 
>a lighter spring under the same weight applied.
>
>Either you jostled something in the initial setup/study, or your post 
>spring work setup shifted something, throwing one of the two data sets 
>out as a valid data reference.
>
>Either way,,,,this is possibly a mute point if it is now all working
>for 
>you as expected.??? :-)
>
>ptegler
>
>
>On 3/2/2020 2:15 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
>
>> >> A stiffer spring would have not allowed the weights to swing out
>as 
>> far
>> at lower rpms. It would NOT ADD idle advance over the original
>> settings.<<
>>
>> I admit that I believed the stronger springs would reduce centripetal
>
>> advance at idle .??? But the empirical evidence shows otherwise.???
>When I 
>> put the
>>
>> stiffer springs in the timing at idle ADVANCED 10-15 degrees.??? It
>is 
>> very stable.
>>
>> Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for 
>> Windows 10
>>
>-- 
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>ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Mon Mar  2 15:11:32 2020
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 15:11:32 -0700
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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ah, wouldn't the longer spring cause the weights to be moved 
outward...giving too much initial...

On 3/2/2020 2:06 PM, Randall wrote:
> Actually there is a reasonable explanation.
> The heavier springs are also longer than the old ones, so the tension 
> as installed is lower.
>
> -- Randall
>
> On 2 March 2020 14:45:07 GMT-06:00, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> 
> wrote:
>
>     Having studied this over and over again, even have gone as far as
>     redesigning the whole timing system (during a F.I and full wasted
>     spark conversion)??? ... and with simple physics behind me I can
>     comfortably say your empirical data has to be flawed....no nice
>     way to say it.
>
>     simple physics.... a tighter (stronger) spring will not extend as
>     far as a lighter spring under the same weight applied.
>
>     Either you jostled something in the initial setup/study, or your
>     post spring work setup shifted something, throwing one of the two
>     data sets out as a valid data reference.
>
>     Either way,,,,this is possibly a mute point if it is now all
>     working for you as expected.??? :-)
>
>     ptegler
>
>
>     On 3/2/2020 2:15 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
>
>>     >> A stiffer spring would have not allowed the weights to swing
>>     out as far
>>     at lower rpms. It would NOT ADD idle advance over the original
>>     settings.<<
>>
>>     ???
>>
>>     I admit that I believed the stronger springs would reduce
>>     centripetal advance at idle .??? But the empirical evidence shows
>>     otherwise.??? When I put the
>>
>>     stiffer springs in the timing at idle ADVANCED 10-15 degrees.???
>>     It is very stable.
>>
>>     ???
>>
>>     Sent from Mail <https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986>
>>     for Windows 10
>>
>>     ???
>>
>     -- 
>     Paul Tegler
>     ptegler at verizon.net   www.teglerizer.com
>
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Mar  2 18:34:00 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 01:34:00 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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 Two things determine how a spring behaves; the spring rate and the free length.? When swapping in a longer and stiffer spring will give you more movement initially and less change as the speed increases.
So, yes, a longer spring will give you more initial advance at idle but max advance would be achieved at a higher speed.
But the answer is: It depends.? How do the two springs compare in both length and spring rate.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: David P <frogeye at porterscustom.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 4:11 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] distributor advance

 ah, wouldn't the longer spring cause the weights to be moved outward...giving too much initial...
  On 3/2/2020 2:06 PM, Randall wrote:
  
 
 Actually there is a reasonable explanation.
 The heavier springs are also longer than the old ones, so the tension as installed is lower.
 
 -- Randall
 
 On 2 March 2020 14:45:07 GMT-06:00, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote: 
 Having studied this over and over again, even have gone as far as redesigning the whole timing system (during a F.I and full wasted spark conversion)??? ... and with simple physics behind me I can comfortably say your empirical data has to be flawed....no nice way to say it. simple physics.... a tighter (stronger) spring will not extend as far as a lighter spring under the same weight applied. 
  Either you jostled something in the initial setup/study, or your post spring work setup shifted something, throwing one of the two data sets out as a valid data reference. Either way,,,,this is possibly a mute point if it is now all working for you as expected.??? :-) ptegler
  
  On 3/2/2020 2:15 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
  
 

#yiv9183878647 #yiv9183878647 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv9183878647 #yiv9183878647 p.yiv9183878647MsoNormal, #yiv9183878647 li.yiv9183878647MsoNormal, #yiv9183878647 div.yiv9183878647MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv9183878647 a:link, #yiv9183878647 span.yiv9183878647MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv9183878647 MsoChpDefault {} _filtered {} #yiv9183878647 div.yiv9183878647WordSection1 {} #yiv9183878647  >> A stiffer spring would have not allowed the weights to swing out as far 
 at lower rpms. It would NOT ADD idle advance over the original 
 settings.<<  ??? I admit that I believed the stronger springs would reduce centripetal advance at idle .??? But the empirical evidence shows otherwise.??? When I put the  stiffer springs in the timing at idle ADVANCED 10-15 degrees.??? It is very stable.   ??? Sent from  Mail for Windows 10  ???  -- 
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From PeterAra at msn.com  Mon Mar  2 20:05:31 2020
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 03:05:31 +0000
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
Message-ID: <DM5PR06MB356417983314D354A28B76F5C1E40@DM5PR06MB3564.namprd06.prod.outlook.com>

>>your empirical data has to be flawed<<

Gee, really hard to mess up reading a timing light before and after changing springs.  Only been doing it for 50 years or so, but even if I do it incorrectly, as long as I do it the same each time the TRUTH is the timing advanced 10-15 degrees with the newer springs.
Perhaps we are looking at this backwards.   Let's say the weights move out the same amount no matter what springs are used.  the springs pull upon a part of the distributor and advance the timing.  How strong is the resistance of the part on the distributor that advances?  I suspect not very, in which case the stronger springs will pull the distributor part sooner advancing the timing sooner.
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Mar  2 21:16:23 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 2 Mar 2020 23:16:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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now THAT makes more sense...perhaps I missed a previous comment 
regarding the fact that the spring was not the right (same) physical length.

tnx

ptegler

On 3/2/2020 3:59 PM, Michael Porter wrote:
> On 3/2/2020 1:45 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
>>
>> Having studied this over and over again, even have gone as far as 
>> redesigning the whole timing system (during a F.I and full wasted 
>> spark conversion)??? ... and with simple physics behind me I can 
>> comfortably say your empirical data has to be flawed....no nice way 
>> to say it.
>>
>> simple physics.... a tighter (stronger) spring will not extend as far 
>> as a lighter spring under the same weight applied.
>>
> Wasn't it Randall who said early on that the main spring, though 
> stiffer, was loose in its connection, which would account for the 
> quick advance off idle???? In the case of the advance/idle retard 
> mechanisms, the object was to get the engine at idle to burn off 
> residual fuel in the exhaust manifold by retarding timing, but there 
> was also a need for getting the advance up quickly since that was 
> essential for off-idle performance, and slack in the spring mounting 
> would accomplish that.??? Only when that slack was taken up would the 
> stiffer spring come into play and slow the rate of advance with rpm.
>
>
> Cheers.
>
-- 
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ptegler at verizon.net  www.teglerizer.com


From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Mar  3 05:16:07 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 3 Mar 2020 12:16:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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 I think it is much more likely that the newer, stiffer springs are a little bit longer resulting in the 10 - 15 degree advance.? It would not take much extra length to do that and it may not even be perceptible with the naked eye.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Mon, Mar 2, 2020 9:05 pm
Subject: [TR] distributor advance

 >>your empirical data has to be flawed<<?Gee, really hard to mess up reading a timing light before and after changing springs.? Only been doing it for 50 years or so, but even if I do it incorrectly, as long as I do it the same each time the TRUTH is the timing advanced 10-15 degrees with the newer springs.Perhaps we are looking at this backwards.?? Let's say the weights move out the same amount no matter what springs are used.? the springs pull upon a part of the distributor and advance the timing.? How strong is the resistance of the part on the distributor that advances?? I suspect not very, in which case the stronger springs will pull the distributor part sooner advancing the timing sooner.** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Thu Mar  5 06:14:39 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Thu, 5 Mar 2020 08:14:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] distributor advance
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As I understand it, you are correct.  As the weight swings outward, the
advance increases.  Heavier springs or lighter weights delays the advance;
lighter springs or heavier weights speeds up the advance.

But...

The springs are sometimes loosely mounted (especially in emission-control
distributors?) such that the weight can swing out a tiny bit without being
affected by the spring at all.  Thus, a distributor that holds timing after
TDC at idle can quickly jump ahead a few degrees when the throttle is
cracked open, advancing to before TDC.  The advance curve can then operate
"normally" as the throttle opening (and RPM) increase.  Sometimes you see
two different weights and/or two different springs to cause specific
effects on timing throughout the RPM range.

Jeff Scarbrough
Corrosion Acres, Ga.

On Thu, Mar 5, 2020 at 1:56 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> I may be wrong here but I thought the springs resisted the pull from the
> weights and stiffer springs would make the advance come on more slowly.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Peter Arakelian <PeterAra at msn.com>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sun, Mar 1, 2020 1:39 pm
> Subject: [TR] distributor advance
>
> > Wouldn't stiffer springs give you less advance at idle and, hence, more
> advance at speed?<
>
> That was my initial thought, too.  However, the way the system appears to
> work is that the weights pull out no matter which spring is used.  The
> springs determine how much of that pull is transferred to the distributor?s
> advance.   A stiffer spring will follow the pull of the weight more closely
> giving you advance sooner.  This was also borne out by what actually
> occurred. When I put the stiffer springs in the idle timing advanced by
> 10-15 degrees.
>
>
> Sent from Mail for Windows 10
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From ryel at mac.com  Mon Mar  9 20:00:54 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 02:00:54 -0000
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
References: <f993d25f-a700-4df3-9502-b695b3a2bf3e@me.com>
Message-ID: <856bcee7-c625-4f95-a0a2-e01b4796f50c@me.com>

John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.

He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my?roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it.?Amazing technology.

Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Tue Mar 10 07:07:32 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:07:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
In-Reply-To: <856bcee7-c625-4f95-a0a2-e01b4796f50c@me.com>
References: <f993d25f-a700-4df3-9502-b695b3a2bf3e@me.com>
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Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog

 

John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down. 

 

He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology. 

 

Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU





Regards,





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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Mar 10 07:59:57 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:59:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
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Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him.   What is the name of this camera?
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 

?
Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
 
John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
 
He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology.
 
Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU


Regards,


Rye
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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Mar 10 07:59:57 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:59:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
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Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him.   What is the name of this camera?
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 

?
Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
 
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
 
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
 
John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
 
He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology.
 
Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU


Regards,


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From stan at redtr6.com  Tue Mar 10 08:16:35 2020
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 14:16:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
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The camera is an Insta360 ONE R According to the description from Rye.

Rye, is that a special pole designed for use with the camera or just a broom handle ?. I?m wondering how does the software take out the pole unless it is a special pole (color ?) that the software can recognize.

Stan

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Wbeech at flash.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:00 AM
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog

Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him.   What is the name of this camera?
Bill
?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy


On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
?
Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog

John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.

He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology.

Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU



Regards,



Rye
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Tue Mar 10 08:20:07 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 07:20:07 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
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Their website talks about their ?Invisible Selfie Stick?, though it just looks like a black stick:

https://store.insta360.com/product/one_r_selfie_stick?_ga=2.185275369.1751593797.1583805929-1840693755.1583805929&_gac=1.208913702.1583805929.EAIaIQobChMIrZCr6OiO6AIVhNlkCh1IMgJ5EAQYASABEgJvRPD_BwE <https://store.insta360.com/product/one_r_selfie_stick?_ga=2.185275369.1751593797.1583805929-1840693755.1583805929&_gac=1.208913702.1583805929.EAIaIQobChMIrZCr6OiO6AIVhNlkCh1IMgJ5EAQYASABEgJvRPD_BwE>

-Darrell

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 7:16 AM, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
> 
> The camera is an Insta360 ONE R According to the description from Rye.
>  
> Rye, is that a special pole designed for use with the camera or just a broom handle ?. I?m wondering how does the software take out the pole unless it is a special pole (color ?) that the software can recognize.
>  
> Stan
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Wbeech at flash.net <mailto:Wbeech at flash.net>
> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:00 AM
> To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>>
> Cc: triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
>  
> Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him.   What is the name of this camera?
> Bill
> 
> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
> 
> 
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
>  
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
> To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
> Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
>  
> John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
>  
> He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology.
>  
> Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU <https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU>
> 
> 
> 
> Regards,
> 
> 
> 
> Rye
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Mar 10 08:27:01 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:27:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4
Message-ID: <000001d5f6e7$f6eaa9f0$e4bffdd0$@ranteer.com>

Recently the starter switch seemed to fail.  I got in it and no power
nothing.  I put my hand under the switch and pushed on the wires, then it
started up and ran.

 

Yesterday again no power.  We pushed the car across the alley and over a few
bumps into my driveway.  Then it had power.

 

Does it sound like the switch is bad?  Likely it's the original switch.  The
car did sit for 25 years in a warehouse before I got it about 10 years ago.

 

Should I get another switch?  Try to repair the existing?  Maybe take it
apart (can I do that?) and clean it?

 

Anyone run into this?

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From wbeech at flash.net  Tue Mar 10 08:41:48 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:41:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001d5f6e7$f6eaa9f0$e4bffdd0$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d5f6e7$f6eaa9f0$e4bffdd0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <003c01d5f6ea$087ede50$197c9af0$@flash.net>

That's where I would start, take apart and clean to see of that makes the
difference.  Of course, double check the wiring connections first for any
looseness. 

 

Just an observation, the TR3 style solenoid had the remote-start button so
you would not have to run-and-bump should the switch fail.  Real handy when
working under the bonnet as well.

 

Bill B.

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 9:27 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4

 

Recently the starter switch seemed to fail.  I got in it and no power
nothing.  I put my hand under the switch and pushed on the wires, then it
started up and ran.

 

Yesterday again no power.  We pushed the car across the alley and over a few
bumps into my driveway.  Then it had power.

 

Does it sound like the switch is bad?  Likely it's the original switch.  The
car did sit for 25 years in a warehouse before I got it about 10 years ago.

 

Should I get another switch?  Try to repair the existing?  Maybe take it
apart (can I do that?) and clean it?

 

Anyone run into this?

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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Mar 10 08:47:01 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 09:47:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4
In-Reply-To: <003c01d5f6ea$087ede50$197c9af0$@flash.net>
References: <000001d5f6e7$f6eaa9f0$e4bffdd0$@ranteer.com>
 <003c01d5f6ea$087ede50$197c9af0$@flash.net>
Message-ID: <006301d5f6ea$c273d950$475b8bf0$@ranteer.com>

The starter solenoid is on the car.  It works fine but since the switch
disconnects power to the car, the electric fuel pump, and the ignition coil,
that's not going to get the car started.

 

From: wbeech <wbeech at flash.net> 
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 9:42 AM
To: 'dave' <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] 62 TR4

 

That's where I would start, take apart and clean to see of that makes the
difference.  Of course, double check the wiring connections first for any
looseness. 

 

Just an observation, the TR3 style solenoid had the remote-start button so
you would not have to run-and-bump should the switch fail.  Real handy when
working under the bonnet as well.

 

Bill B.

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 9:27 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4

 

Recently the starter switch seemed to fail.  I got in it and no power
nothing.  I put my hand under the switch and pushed on the wires, then it
started up and ran.

 

Yesterday again no power.  We pushed the car across the alley and over a few
bumps into my driveway.  Then it had power.

 

Does it sound like the switch is bad?  Likely it's the original switch.  The
car did sit for 25 years in a warehouse before I got it about 10 years ago.

 

Should I get another switch?  Try to repair the existing?  Maybe take it
apart (can I do that?) and clean it?

 

Anyone run into this?

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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Mar 10 09:11:18 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:11:18 -0000
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
Message-ID: <e06fa463-67bd-4198-af18-a99722b45e8f@me.com>

 Insta360 ONE R

I believe GoPro has a similar camera.


On March 10, 2020 at 7:00 AM, "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:

Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him. ? What is the name of this camera?
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?
Now that was a treat ? really good.? Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
?
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
?
John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
?
He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my?roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it.?Amazing technology.
?
Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU


Regards,


Rye
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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Mar 10 09:22:19 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:22:19 -0000
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
Message-ID: <3a869412-3039-4715-bacb-3f0d81e1ef68@me.com>

I'm just the driver. ?John Linney is the guy with the camera, and the editing system, who posted the video and added the comments below it on YouTube.

While I don't think it's anything special, that long boom arm which was about 5 feet long with mounting attachments, basic black, I do think he bought it with the camera but I'm not sure. ?

One thing that was interesting about it, the brackets were staggered length, so it made sure the camera wasn't straight up. It was out to the side of the car allowing for that shot straight down and you could see the whole car. ?I'm guessing, but I think the pole was at about a 15 degree angle out to the side of the car.

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On March 10, 2020 at 7:16 AM, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:

The camera is an Insta360 ONE R According to the description from Rye.
?
Rye, is that a special pole designed for use with the camera or just a broom handle ?. I?m wondering how does the software take out the pole unless it is a special pole (color ?) that the software can recognize.
?
Stan
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Wbeech at flash.net
Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:00 AM
To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Cc: triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
?
Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him. ? What is the name of this camera?
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy


On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:

?
Now that was a treat ? really good.? Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
?
Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
?
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
?
John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
?
He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my?roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it.?Amazing technology.
?
Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU



Regards,



Rye
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 10 09:22:27 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 11:22:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
In-Reply-To: <e06fa463-67bd-4198-af18-a99722b45e8f@me.com>
References: <e06fa463-67bd-4198-af18-a99722b45e8f@me.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwhxAcgmtB-c-y8gCRk9QNjcOZbHqfFJrh8ptKJwrAKsKg@mail.gmail.com>

There are many on the market....

Dave

[image: image.png]

On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:11 AM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:

> Insta360 ONE R
>
> I believe GoPro has a similar camera.
>
>
> On March 10, 2020 at 7:00 AM, "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>
> Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him.   What is the
> name of this camera?
> Bill
>
> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
>
> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
> wrote:
>
> Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
>
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
>
> Jackson, Michigan
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Rye
> Livingston
> *Sent:* Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
> *To:* triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
>
>
>
> John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club,
> wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all
> directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight
> down.
>
>
>
> He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on
> top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos
> together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on
> the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology.
>
>
>
> Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music
> that goes with this video.
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU
>
>
>
> Regards,
>
>
>
> Rye
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Mar 10 09:37:30 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:37:30 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
In-Reply-To: <856bcee7-c625-4f95-a0a2-e01b4796f50c@me.com>
References: <f993d25f-a700-4df3-9502-b695b3a2bf3e@me.com>
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Message-ID: <130957211.1732622.1583854650084@mail.yahoo.com>

 OK.? I see Dixie Dog but who is that in the footwell?? Looks like a black cat but can't tell since the video doesn't focus in on it well enough.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2020 9:01 pm
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog

John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down. 
He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my?roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it.?Amazing technology. 
 Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU
Regards,
Rye

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Mar 10 09:40:57 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:40:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4
In-Reply-To: <000001d5f6e7$f6eaa9f0$e4bffdd0$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d5f6e7$f6eaa9f0$e4bffdd0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1391897927.1786794.1583854857309@mail.yahoo.com>

 Are you referring to the ignition switch?? I had to replace the switch on my TR6.? It would cut out at speed on the highway and I had to wiggle it to restore power to the coil and make it go again.? Meantime the exhaust would fill with unburned air/fuel mixture and when the power was restored "BANG."
Oh, and the overdrive would drop out making matters all the worse.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2020 9:27 am
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4

&lt;!-- #yiv2297283237 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv2297283237 #yiv2297283237 p.yiv2297283237MsoNormal, #yiv2297283237 li.yiv2297283237MsoNormal, #yiv2297283237 div.yiv2297283237MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv2297283237 span.yiv2297283237EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv2297283237 .yiv2297283237MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv2297283237 div.yiv2297283237WordSection1 {} --&gt;Recently the starter switch seemed to fail.? I got in it and no power nothing.? I put my hand under the switch and pushed on the wires, then it started up and ran. ?Yesterday again no power.? We pushed the car across the alley and over a few bumps into my driveway.? Then it had power. ?Does it sound like the switch is bad?? Likely it?s the original switch.? The car did sit for 25 years in a warehouse before I got it about 10 years ago. ?Should I get another switch?? Try to repair the existing?? Maybe take it apart (can I do that?) and clean it? ?Anyone run into this?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Mar 10 09:44:39 2020
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 15:44:39 -0000
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
Message-ID: <f204e2c5-8c0c-4c71-9954-106c807cecb0@me.com>

I had to go look to see what you were talking about. ?That's my Nikon camera

Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE

On March 10, 2020 at 8:37 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

OK.? I see Dixie Dog but who is that in the footwell?? Looks like a black cat but can't tell since the video doesn't focus in on it well enough.

Dave 



-----Original Message-----
From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2020 9:01 pm
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog

John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.

He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my?roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it.?Amazing technology.

Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU

 
Regards,

 
Rye

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From john at linneyweb.com  Tue Mar 10 09:53:20 2020
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:53:20 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
In-Reply-To: <3a869412-3039-4715-bacb-3f0d81e1ef68@me.com>
References: <3a869412-3039-4715-bacb-3f0d81e1ef68@me.com>
Message-ID: <52944299-160C-4315-84D7-6C1F8A02B9AD@linneyweb.com>

It actually doesn?t matter what make of stick you use or the angle at which it is mounted. You just have to know that the software will try to stitch the images together along the plane of the the two sensors. The longer the stick, the better the stitch and the wider the angle of the subject. 

You do need quite a powerful computer to edit the final product. Mine is a fairly new top of the range iMac and I had to be quite patient. 

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:22 AM, Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I'm just the driver.  John Linney is the guy with the camera, and the editing system, who posted the video and added the comments below it on YouTube.
> 
> While I don't think it's anything special, that long boom arm which was about 5 feet long with mounting attachments, basic black, I do think he bought it with the camera but I'm not sure.  
> 
> One thing that was interesting about it, the brackets were staggered length, so it made sure the camera wasn't straight up. It was out to the side of the car allowing for that shot straight down and you could see the whole car.  I'm guessing, but I think the pole was at about a 15 degree angle out to the side of the car.
> 
> Rye
> PH: 530-FIND-RYE
> 
>> On March 10, 2020 at 7:16 AM, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
>> 
> 
>> The camera is an Insta360 ONE R According to the description from Rye.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Rye, is that a special pole designed for use with the camera or just a broom handle ?. I?m wondering how does the software take out the pole unless it is a special pole (color ?) that the software can recognize.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Stan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Wbeech at flash.net
>> Sent: Tuesday, March 10, 2020 10:00 AM
>> To: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
>> Cc: triumphs <Triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him.   What is the name of this camera?
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>> 
>> Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Andrew Uprichard
>> 
>> Jackson, Michigan
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
>> To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Regards,
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> Rye
>> 
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From john at linneyweb.com  Tue Mar 10 09:58:21 2020
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:58:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
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Things move fast. That list is quite old (3 months?). GoPro have a new version but it has a lower bit rate and resolution, and the Insta360 seems to have slightly better image quality and is cheaper. The Insta360 ONE R is also modular so you get a regular 4K action camera with it as a bonus. For a proper job I would mount 2 GoPros plus a 360 to get a real choice of angles for a film. 

> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:23 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> There are many on the market....
> 
> Dave
> 
> <image.png>
> 
> 
>> On Tue, Mar 10, 2020 at 11:11 AM Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com> wrote:
>>  Insta360 ONE R
>> 
>> I believe GoPro has a similar camera.
>> 
>> 
>>> On March 10, 2020 at 7:00 AM, "Wbeech at flash.net" <wbeech at flash.net> wrote:
>>> 
>> 
>>> Very nifty, looks like a drone is flying along with him.   What is the name of this camera?
>>> Bill
>>> 
>>> ?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 10, 2020, at 8:07 AM, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
>>>> 
>>> 
>>> Now that was a treat ? really good.  Thank you for sharing with us, Rye !
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Andrew Uprichard
>>> 
>>> Jackson, Michigan
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
>>> Sent: Monday, March 9, 2020 10:01 PM
>>> To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it. Amazing technology.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Regards,
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> 
>>> Rye
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Tue Mar 10 09:52:14 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 08:52:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] 62 TR4
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Several times now, I've had similar behavior caused by the 'Lucar' quick
connects.  They get into a state where they seem tight (won't come off with
a light tug) but don't always make good contact.

You might try crimping the female quick connects a bit tighter and see if
that solves the problem.

If it is the switch, it's probably not worth trying to clean/repair it.  I'm
not familiar with the TR4 switch, but on the TR3 switch it's easy to drill
out the rivets so you can get the switch apart, then use 10-32 bolts & nuts
to put it back together.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> Recently the starter switch seemed to fail.  I got in it and 
> no power nothing.  I put my hand under the switch and pushed 
> on the wires, then it started up and ran.


From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Mar 10 11:20:20 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 10 Mar 2020 17:20:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
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References: <f204e2c5-8c0c-4c71-9954-106c807cecb0@me.com>
Message-ID: <2020443195.1833049.1583860820213@mail.yahoo.com>

 Like I said, I couldn't really tell.
Too many cat videos, I guess.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
To: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Cc: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Tue, Mar 10, 2020 10:44 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog

I had to go look to see what you were talking about. ?That's my Nikon camera
Rye
PH: 530-FIND-RYE
On March 10, 2020 at 8:37 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:


OK.? I see Dixie Dog but who is that in the footwell?? Looks like a black cat but can't tell since the video doesn't focus in on it well enough.

Dave 
 


-----Original Message-----
 From: Rye Livingston <ryel at mac.com>
 To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
 Sent: Mon, Mar 9, 2020 9:01 pm
 Subject: [TR] Cool TR3 video with Dixie Dog
 
John Linney, one of the guys in the Triumph Travelers Sports Car Club, wanted to try out a new camera last week which records 360 degrees in all directions, meaning not only front to back, but to the sky and straight down.
He mounted a 5-6 foot pole to the side of my?roll bar with the camera on top, and somehow the software stitches the front and back facing videos together, it erases the pole! If you look closely you can see the mount on the side the roll bar, but that's it.?Amazing technology. 
Ideally watch this on your laptop, with the speakers up loud for the music that goes with this video.https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xs4XzYfXavU
 Regards,
 Rye


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From robinwmgb at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 05:35:12 2020
From: robinwmgb at gmail.com (Robin Watson)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 07:35:12 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
Message-ID: <CABF+gKE66b0gToJjk6p3j-tiKtowzfCO=UmYZCvsK30x42DuOA@mail.gmail.com>

I have just finished re building the Overdrive on my1960 TR3A, in this
modern day of oils what is recommended for the gearbox with a overdrive.
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From rbtr3a at cox.net  Wed Mar 11 05:56:21 2020
From: rbtr3a at cox.net (Ronnie Babbitt)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 07:56:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
In-Reply-To: <CABF+gKE66b0gToJjk6p3j-tiKtowzfCO=UmYZCvsK30x42DuOA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CABF+gKE66b0gToJjk6p3j-tiKtowzfCO=UmYZCvsK30x42DuOA@mail.gmail.com>
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Robin I?ve rebuilt a couple of these units. What I and several of my mentors recommend was using Valvoline 50wt  Racing oil. 


Ronnie Babbitt 

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 7:35 AM, Robin Watson <robinwmgb at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I have just finished re building the Overdrive on my1960 TR3A, in this modern day of oils what is recommended for the gearbox with a overdrive.
> Robin
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar 11 10:19:41 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 09:19:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
In-Reply-To: <CABF+gKE66b0gToJjk6p3j-tiKtowzfCO=UmYZCvsK30x42DuOA@mail.gmail.com>
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My favorite (what I use) is Redline MT-90 gear oil.  It meets the original
GL4 specification, and is specifically designed for use in synchronized
manual transmissions.

I can't say I noticed any change in overdrive operation (over the Valvoline
20W50 racing oil I used to use), but it made a noticeable improvement in
synchro operation.

Not cheap, and prices vary widely, so shop around.  I found a case on Amazon
for a good price, so I've got a lifetime supply :)

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> I have just finished re building the Overdrive on my1960 
> TR3A, in this modern day of oils what is recommended for the 
> gearbox with a overdrive.
> Robin
> 


From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Mar 11 10:54:02 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 09:54:02 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
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Message-ID: <e1242de6-a9fd-9a98-67e8-af30972b53c0@gmail.com>

On 3/11/20 9:19 AM, Randall wrote:
> My favorite (what I use) is Redline MT-90 gear oil.  It meets the original
> GL4 specification, and is specifically designed for use in synchronized
> manual transmissions.


Same here. I've switched over to Redline including for the limited slip.

TeriAnn


From j_bar_j at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 11 13:34:17 2020
From: j_bar_j at hotmail.com (Joel E. Justin)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 19:34:17 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
In-Reply-To: <CABF+gKE66b0gToJjk6p3j-tiKtowzfCO=UmYZCvsK30x42DuOA@mail.gmail.com>
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I've used Valvoline 30wt non-detergent in all 4 of my OD gearboxes and have had zero problems. John Esposito from Quantum Mechanics recommends it. He also says Redline is good too.

Joel...

________________________________
From: Robin Watson <robinwmgb at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:35 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE

I have just finished re building the Overdrive on my1960 TR3A, in this modern day of oils what is recommended for the gearbox with a overdrive.
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From zoboherald at aol.com  Wed Mar 11 13:52:34 2020
From: zoboherald at aol.com (Andrew S. Mace)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 19:52:34 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
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 TeriAnn, what am I missing? Redline's website specifically states "MT-LV, MTL, MT-85 & MT-90 are not for use in differentials with hypoid gears"!
<https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil>
--Andy Mace
 
 
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To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 11, 2020 12:54 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE

On 3/11/20 9:19 AM, Randall wrote:
> My favorite (what I use) is Redline MT-90 gear oil.? It meets the original
> GL4 specification, and is specifically designed for use in synchronized
> manual transmissions.


Same here. I've switched over to Redline including for the limited slip.

TeriAnn
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From terryrs at comcast.net  Wed Mar 11 15:13:28 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:13:28 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
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Yes.  John also put NAPA 30 ND in mine when he rebuilt it.  I can't really tell the difference, though am decidedly not the expert others here are.  

> On March 11, 2020 at 3:34 PM "Joel E. Justin" <j_bar_j at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
>     I've used Valvoline 30wt non-detergent in all 4 of my OD gearboxes and have had zero problems. John Esposito from Quantum Mechanics recommends it. He also says Redline is good too.
> 
>     Joel...
>      
> 
> 
>     ---------------------------------------------
>     From: Robin Watson <robinwmgb at gmail.com>
>     Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 4:35 AM
>     To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
>      
>     I have just finished re building the Overdrive on my1960 TR3A, in this modern day of oils what is recommended for the gearbox with a overdrive.
>     Robin
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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Mar 11 15:17:29 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 15:17:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
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On 3/11/20 1:52 PM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
> TeriAnn, what am I missing? Redline's website specifically states 
> "MT-LV, MTL, MT-85 & MT-90 are not for use in differentials with 
> hypoid gears"!
>
> <https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil>
>
Missing?? Distinction between differential and transmission?

mjb.



From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Mar 11 16:22:37 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:22:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
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Not the diff, the trans & OD.  I run MT-90 in the trans and 90w GL4 in the diff. 
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 

?On 3/11/20 1:52 PM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
> TeriAnn, what am I missing? Redline's website specifically states "MT-LV, MTL, MT-85 & MT-90 are not for use in differentials with hypoid gears"!
> 
> <https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil>
> 
Missing?  Distinction between differential and transmission?

mjb.


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From wbeech at flash.net  Wed Mar 11 16:22:37 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 17:22:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
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Not the diff, the trans & OD.  I run MT-90 in the trans and 90w GL4 in the diff. 
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 4:17 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 

?On 3/11/20 1:52 PM, Andrew S. Mace wrote:
> TeriAnn, what am I missing? Redline's website specifically states "MT-LV, MTL, MT-85 & MT-90 are not for use in differentials with hypoid gears"!
> 
> <https://www.redlineoil.com/mt-90-75w90-gl-4-gear-oil>
> 
Missing?  Distinction between differential and transmission?

mjb.


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From mark at bradakis.com  Wed Mar 11 16:36:24 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 16:36:24 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
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Missing?? Distinction between differential and transmission?
>
> mjb.


My mistake, Teriann did say limited slip.

mjb.



From L1j1s at aol.com  Wed Mar 11 18:01:47 2020
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Wed, 11 Mar 2020 20:01:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tr3 in Craigs
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List , There is a Tr3 listed on NYC craigslist . Larry Schwartz
Sent from my iPhone

From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Mar 12 15:55:47 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:55:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] FW:  Tr3 in Craigs
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https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/d/jamaica-triumph-tr3a/7091625658.htm
l

got some tasty rust!!!

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Subject: [TR] Tr3 in Craigs


List , There is a Tr3 listed on NYC craigslist . Larry Schwartz Sent from my
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Thu Mar 12 15:56:55 2020
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 14:56:55 -0700
Subject: [TR] Tr3 in Craigs
In-Reply-To: <001601d5f8b8$fd74f870$f85ee950$@ranteer.com>
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> On Mar 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> got some tasty rust!!!

Patina!
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Fri Mar 13 06:11:26 2020
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 08:11:26 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3A OVERDRIVE
In-Reply-To: <831d3c5a-1b5d-31ce-01ea-9de9a7301cca@bradakis.com>
References: <CABF+gKE66b0gToJjk6p3j-tiKtowzfCO=UmYZCvsK30x42DuOA@mail.gmail.com>
 <9438F27B92854E6787EA9D2118C801F9@RYPC>
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I?ve used both Redline MT 90 and 30wt. non detergent oil my overdrive transmission, and about the only difference I can see (feel) is that the transmission shifts much better cold with MT 90.  After warm up the two are indistinguishable to my mind.  It make is easier to do a transmission oil change when the cost of 30 wt is comparatively so much less.  30 wt non detergent oil isn?t as readily available or as cheap as it used to be.
Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6

> On Mar 11, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> Missing?  Distinction between differential and transmission?
>> 
>> mjb.
> 
> 
> My mistake, Teriann did say limited slip.
> 
> mjb.
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From actionsl at att.net  Fri Mar 13 13:21:37 2020
From: actionsl at att.net (Carl Carlson)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 12:21:37 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 63
In-Reply-To: <mailman.11.1584122402.6901.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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I pulled out both of my overdrives and went with Toyota 5 speeds

Carl

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> Message: 1
> Date: Thu, 12 Mar 2020 16:55:47 -0500
> From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
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> Subject: [TR] FW:  Tr3 in Craigs
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> https://newyork.craigslist.org/que/cto/d/jamaica-triumph-tr3a/7091625658.htm
> l
> 
> got some tasty rust!!!
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Lawarence
> Schwartz
> Sent: Wednesday, March 11, 2020 7:02 PM
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> Subject: [TR] Tr3 in Craigs
> 
> 
> List , There is a Tr3 listed on NYC craigslist . Larry Schwartz Sent from my
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>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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>> got some tasty rust!!!
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> I?ve used both Redline MT 90 and 30wt. non detergent oil my overdrive transmission, and about the only difference I can see (feel) is that the transmission shifts much better cold with MT 90.  After warm up the two are indistinguishable to my mind.  It make is easier to do a transmission oil change when the cost of 30 wt is comparatively so much less.  30 wt non detergent oil isn?t as readily available or as cheap as it used to be.
> Best,
>    Bob
>    ?72 TR6
> 
>> On Mar 11, 2020, at 6:36 PM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Missing?  Distinction between differential and transmission?
>>> 
>>> mjb.
>> 
>> 
>> My mistake, Teriann did say limited slip.
>> 
>> mjb.
>> 
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From L1j1s at aol.com  Fri Mar 13 17:26:42 2020
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:26:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tr3 in Craigs
In-Reply-To: <9F794973-AE24-435D-A87B-B81E1B4EFAAF@mac.com>
References: <9F794973-AE24-435D-A87B-B81E1B4EFAAF@mac.com>
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Luv the sarcasms 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> got some tasty rust!!!
> 
> Patina!
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From L1j1s at aol.com  Fri Mar 13 17:26:42 2020
From: L1j1s at aol.com (Lawarence Schwartz)
Date: Fri, 13 Mar 2020 19:26:42 -0400
Subject: [TR] Tr3 in Craigs
In-Reply-To: <9F794973-AE24-435D-A87B-B81E1B4EFAAF@mac.com>
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Luv the sarcasms 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 12, 2020, at 5:57 PM, Darrell Walker <darrellw360 at mac.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> 
>> On Mar 12, 2020, at 2:55 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> got some tasty rust!!!
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Mar 14 18:30:16 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 19:30:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumph Italia
Message-ID: <000501d5fa60$e68c81b0$b3a58510$@ranteer.com>

https://bringatrailer.com/2017/02/03/restored-w-tr4-chassis-upgrade-1961-tri
umph-italia/

 

this ad claims an Italia restored/upgraded to a TR4 chassis.

 

Am I right in thinking either they widened the sheet metal or cut down the
TR4 chassis?

 

Or maybe they are flat out lying. 

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From wbeech at flash.net  Sat Mar 14 19:40:31 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (wbeech)
Date: Sat, 14 Mar 2020 20:40:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] Triumph Italia
In-Reply-To: <000501d5fa60$e68c81b0$b3a58510$@ranteer.com>
References: <000501d5fa60$e68c81b0$b3a58510$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <004b01d5fa6a$b6f64d50$24e2e7f0$@flash.net>

An early TR4 chassis would simply be a widened TR3 chassis with extended
outriggers.  Cutting is down would be simple.   Car looks nice, surely they
did not widen it by 4"?

Bill

TS30800L

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Saturday, March 14, 2020 7:30 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Triumph Italia

 

https://bringatrailer.com/2017/02/03/restored-w-tr4-chassis-upgrade-1961-tri
umph-italia/

 

this ad claims an Italia restored/upgraded to a TR4 chassis.

 

Am I right in thinking either they widened the sheet metal or cut down the
TR4 chassis?

 

Or maybe they are flat out lying. 

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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Mar 16 05:27:14 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 07:27:14 -0400
Subject: [TR] Test Message
Message-ID: <000401d5fb85$d7c064f0$87412ed0$@charter.net>

I haven't seen much, if any, traffic recently.

 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Mar 16 05:35:54 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 11:35:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Test Message
In-Reply-To: <000401d5fb85$d7c064f0$87412ed0$@charter.net>
References: <000401d5fb85$d7c064f0$87412ed0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <239281845.3685699.1584358554179@mail.yahoo.com>

 Really?? Did you see all the traffic about transmission lubricant last week?? Lots of good stuff there.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Mon, Mar 16, 2020 6:27 am
Subject: [TR] Test Message

&lt;!-- #yiv3426537435 _filtered {} #yiv3426537435 #yiv3426537435 p.yiv3426537435MsoNormal, #yiv3426537435 li.yiv3426537435MsoNormal, #yiv3426537435 div.yiv3426537435MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} #yiv3426537435 a:link, #yiv3426537435 span.yiv3426537435MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3426537435 a:visited, #yiv3426537435 span.yiv3426537435MsoHyperlinkFollowed {color:purple;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv3426537435 span.yiv3426537435EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";color:windowtext;} #yiv3426537435 .yiv3426537435MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", "sans-serif";} _filtered {} #yiv3426537435 div.yiv3426537435WordSection1 {} --&gt;I haven?t seen much, if any, traffic recently. ?Alex Thomson** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Mar 16 07:41:23 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:41:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] Test Message
In-Reply-To: <000401d5fb85$d7c064f0$87412ed0$@charter.net>
References: <000401d5fb85$d7c064f0$87412ed0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <F2DB9A07-1606-472F-9D8C-C122585B1557@flash.net>

Messages received, we?re alive & well in Texarkana, Texas. 

Bill B


?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
> 

?
I haven?t seen much, if any, traffic recently.
 
Alex Thomson
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From wbeech at flash.net  Mon Mar 16 07:41:23 2020
From: wbeech at flash.net (Wbeech@flash.net)
Date: Mon, 16 Mar 2020 08:41:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] Test Message
In-Reply-To: <000401d5fb85$d7c064f0$87412ed0$@charter.net>
References: <000401d5fb85$d7c064f0$87412ed0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <F2DB9A07-1606-472F-9D8C-C122585B1557@flash.net>

Messages received, we?re alive & well in Texarkana, Texas. 

Bill B


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> On Mar 16, 2020, at 6:27 AM, Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net> wrote:
> 

?
I haven?t seen much, if any, traffic recently.
 
Alex Thomson
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Mar 17 14:43:45 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:43:45 -0500
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
Message-ID: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>

Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box
getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get
the folds out, are there any other recommendations?

 

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 17 14:59:27 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:59:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
In-Reply-To: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
References: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <814D7B09-504E-4617-A3F4-79A76A9897B2@yahoo.com>

I would define vote for the sunny day.  But I did have to get my top out last November, I pointed my small propane redi-heater into the window and it did the job after about 5-10 minutes. 

Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:45 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 

?
Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 17 14:59:27 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:59:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
In-Reply-To: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
References: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <814D7B09-504E-4617-A3F4-79A76A9897B2@yahoo.com>

I would define vote for the sunny day.  But I did have to get my top out last November, I pointed my small propane redi-heater into the window and it did the job after about 5-10 minutes. 

Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:45 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 

?
Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Mar 17 17:32:32 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:32:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
In-Reply-To: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
References: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <8350c549-bd79-a7fe-c983-96c730ed9c83@verizon.net>

DO NOT put the top on when it's hot!.??? come cooler weather you'll never 
get it back up!

Granted perhaps not your specific vehile, but technique and tips are all 
the same....
http://www.teglerizer.com/triumphstuff/67t_ragtop.htm

ptegler


On 3/17/2020 4:43 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of 
> the box getting ready to install.??? Other than using a hair dryer or 
> sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
>
>
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From mtgaines at presby.edu  Wed Mar 18 07:12:43 2020
From: mtgaines at presby.edu (Tim Gaines)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:12:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] timing light recommendation?
Message-ID: <em84f8051a-1f0d-45a8-88fd-50cc73f6ca51@laptop-lkrq9kmj>

My old Penske timing light that I've had for decades finally gave out 
yesterday, so I'm looking for recommendations for a reliable but not too 
expensive replacement. What has worked for you? I do have a few bucks 
worth of Speed Perks credit at Advance Auto; anything there?

Thanks,
Tim Gaines
1974 TR6
1980 Spitfire
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Wed Mar 18 08:33:03 2020
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 10:33:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
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Hi Doug,
	If it?s a Robbins top be really sure the top still fits before going to all the trouble to install it. I put a Robbins Sunfast top on my TR6 years ago, and although, it looks great when up or down, it is a lot of work to puit up under cool conditions.  About a year ago I spoke to a well respected installer who told me that the rear window section of the  Robbins tops are short and thus Robbins tops are always a  tight fit. I found that my previous vinyl top  was difficult to get up unless is was either very warm - it was also a Robbins top. In spite of what Robbins said when I contacted them, their tops don?t stretch after they have been installed and left in the sun?
	I?d be curious to know if anyone has had better luck with their top installations.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
>  
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 18 09:57:27 2020
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 15:57:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] timing light recommendation?
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Innova 5568.  Great tool.

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Subject: [TR] timing light recommendation?

My old Penske timing light that I've had for decades finally gave out yesterday, so I'm looking for recommendations for a reliable but not too expensive replacement. What has worked for you? I do have a few bucks worth of Speed Perks credit at Advance Auto; anything there?

Thanks,
Tim Gaines
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Wed Mar 18 11:29:18 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:29:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
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Robert, although I wasn't aware it was the rear window area that was short,
mine (self installed) takes a bit of effort to get up on all but the
hottest of days.  My first top install, I put it on in the sun.  It looks
very good, but is tight.

If I had this to do over I would probably install on a warm day out of the
sun.

I always store for the my winter or extended periods of time with the top
up, my theory is it can't shrink with the top up, or at least is less
likely to.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 9:33 AM Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> If it?s a Robbins top be really sure the top still fits before going to
> all the trouble to install it. I put a Robbins Sunfast top on my TR6 years
> ago, and although, it looks great when up or down, it is a lot of work to
> puit up under cool conditions.  About a year ago I spoke to a well
> respected installer who told me that the rear window section of the
>  Robbins tops are short and thus Robbins tops are always a  tight fit. I
> found that my previous vinyl top  was difficult to get up unless is was
> either very warm - it was also a Robbins top. In spite of what Robbins said
> when I contacted them, their tops don?t stretch after they have been
> installed and left in the sun?
> I?d be curious to know if anyone has had better luck with their top
> installations.
> Best,
> Bob
> ?72 TR6
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the
> box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day
> to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
>
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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Wed Mar 18 12:33:18 2020
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:33:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 67
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Listers,

 Regarding timing lights I have used a Snap-On dial back light for decades. I also have a Sears dial back unit and the readings are the same.


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Today's Topics:

   1. old new convertible top (dave)
   2. Re: old new convertible top (bill beecher)
   3. Re: old new convertible top (bill beecher)
   4. Re: old new convertible top (Paul Tegler)
   5. timing light recommendation? (Tim Gaines)
   6. Re: old new convertible top (Rochlin Robert)
   7. Re: timing light recommendation? (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
   8. Re: old new convertible top (Greg Lemon)


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Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:43:45 -0500
From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
Message-ID: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
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Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box
getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get
the folds out, are there any other recommendations?



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Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:59:27 -0500
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] old new convertible top
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I would define vote for the sunny day.  But I did have to get my top out last November, I pointed my small propane redi-heater into the window and it did the job after about 5-10 minutes.

Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:45 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>

?
Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?

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Message: 3
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:59:27 -0500
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] old new convertible top
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I would define vote for the sunny day.  But I did have to get my top out last November, I pointed my small propane redi-heater into the window and it did the job after about 5-10 minutes.

Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 17, 2020, at 3:45 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>

?
Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?

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Message: 4
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 19:32:32 -0400
From: Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] old new convertible top
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DO NOT put the top on when it's hot!.??? come cooler weather you'll never
get it back up!

Granted perhaps not your specific vehile, but technique and tips are all
the same....
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On 3/17/2020 4:43 PM, dave wrote:
>
> Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of
> the box getting ready to install.??? Other than using a hair dryer or
> sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
>
>
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Message: 5
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 13:12:43 +0000
From: "Tim Gaines" <mtgaines at presby.edu>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] timing light recommendation?
Message-ID: <em84f8051a-1f0d-45a8-88fd-50cc73f6ca51 at laptop-lkrq9kmj>
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My old Penske timing light that I've had for decades finally gave out
yesterday, so I'm looking for recommendations for a reliable but not too
expensive replacement. What has worked for you? I do have a few bucks
worth of Speed Perks credit at Advance Auto; anything there?

Thanks,
Tim Gaines
1974 TR6
1980 Spitfire
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 10:33:03 -0400
From: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
Cc: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] old new convertible top
Message-ID: <70231EB6-205C-437F-9F82-D198D13959B5 at comcast.net>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"

Hi Doug,
        If it?s a Robbins top be really sure the top still fits before going to all the trouble to install it. I put a Robbins Sunfast top on my TR6 years ago, and although, it looks great when up or down, it is a lot of work to puit up under cool conditions.  About a year ago I spoke to a well respected installer who told me that the rear window section of the  Robbins tops are short and thus Robbins tops are always a  tight fit. I found that my previous vinyl top  was difficult to get up unless is was either very warm - it was also a Robbins top. In spite of what Robbins said when I contacted them, their tops don?t stretch after they have been installed and left in the sun?
        I?d be curious to know if anyone has had better luck with their top installations.
        Best,
        Bob
        ?72 TR6
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
>
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Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 15:57:27 +0000
From: Randy and Valerie DeRuiter <deruiterville at hotmail.com>
To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>, Tim Gaines
        <mtgaines at presby.edu>
Subject: Re: [TR] timing light recommendation?
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Innova 5568.  Great tool.

________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of Tim Gaines <mtgaines at presby.edu>
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 8:12 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] timing light recommendation?

My old Penske timing light that I've had for decades finally gave out yesterday, so I'm looking for recommendations for a reliable but not too expensive replacement. What has worked for you? I do have a few bucks worth of Speed Perks credit at Advance Auto; anything there?

Thanks,
Tim Gaines
1974 TR6
1980 Spitfire

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Message: 8
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 12:29:18 -0500
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
Cc: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] old new convertible top
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Robert, although I wasn't aware it was the rear window area that was short,
mine (self installed) takes a bit of effort to get up on all but the
hottest of days.  My first top install, I put it on in the sun.  It looks
very good, but is tight.

If I had this to do over I would probably install on a warm day out of the
sun.

I always store for the my winter or extended periods of time with the top
up, my theory is it can't shrink with the top up, or at least is less
likely to.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020, 9:33 AM Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:

> Hi Doug,
> If it?s a Robbins top be really sure the top still fits before going to
> all the trouble to install it. I put a Robbins Sunfast top on my TR6 years
> ago, and although, it looks great when up or down, it is a lot of work to
> puit up under cool conditions.  About a year ago I spoke to a well
> respected installer who told me that the rear window section of the
>  Robbins tops are short and thus Robbins tops are always a  tight fit. I
> found that my previous vinyl top  was difficult to get up unless is was
> either very warm - it was also a Robbins top. In spite of what Robbins said
> when I contacted them, their tops don?t stretch after they have been
> installed and left in the sun?
> I?d be curious to know if anyone has had better luck with their top
> installations.
> Best,
> Bob
> ?72 TR6
>
> On Mar 17, 2020, at 4:43 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the
> box getting ready to install.  Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day
> to get the folds out, are there any other recommendations?
>
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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 18 12:59:35 2020
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:59:35 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
References: <1274156011.264118.1584557975156.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1274156011.264118.1584557975156@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Dave,
Be careful how hard you pull to get the top on.? I broke a strap the connects the frame that holds the top to the body of the car.
My top did stretch out when left on the car in the sun.
Enjoy the drive.
Ann Carletta1960 Triumph TR3A1965 Daimler, V82012 Jaguar XF


Message: 1
Date: Tue, 17 Mar 2020 15:43:45 -0500
From: "dave" <dave at ranteer.com>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] old new convertible top
Message-ID: <001401d5fc9c$c104e980$430ebc80$@ranteer.com>
Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"

Finally, after a decade +, I pulled the vinyl convertible top out of the box
getting ready to install.? Other than using a hair dryer or sunny day to get
the folds out, are there any other recommendations?


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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Mar 18 17:11:58 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 18:11:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan
Message-ID: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>

Does anyone have a link to a magnetic plug for the transmission and oil pan
for a TR4/TR6?  Or know what size it is?  Looks like standard pipe thread to
me.

 

I'm thinking it would be good to replace the standard plugs I have in there
with a set of those.

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Mar 18 17:54:21 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 19:54:21 -0400
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan
In-Reply-To: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <0D76D6A276FA451A9F3D0B434888741B@VlackTK121647>

It is a standard pipe thread. TR 6 transmissions have a small magnet on them, I use one on a 4A transmission. I suppose you could also use on in the oil pan too as it?s the same size.
JVV

From: dave 
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:11 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan

Does anyone have a link to a magnetic plug for the transmission and oil pan for a TR4/TR6?  Or know what size it is?  Looks like standard pipe thread to me.

 

I?m thinking it would be good to replace the standard plugs I have in there with a set of those.



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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Wed Mar 18 18:48:27 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 17:48:27 -0700
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan
In-Reply-To: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
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I like to use hex socket plugs, magnetic for drain plugs.  The hex socket
installs nearly flush with the surface, so less chance of banging it on a
rock or whatever.
https://www.mcmaster.com/1072a22

Here's a photo of one being installed
https://imgur.com/0Tj96Uh

These also work for later TR3-A-B.  Change point for the engine drain plug
is supposed to be TS18902E, but the oil pans interchange so YMMV.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> Does anyone have a link to a magnetic plug for the 
> transmission and oil pan for a TR4/TR6?  Or know what size it 
> is?  Looks like standard pipe thread to me.


From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Mar 18 19:05:22 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:05:22 -0400
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan
In-Reply-To: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <007601d5fd8a$77b62e80$67228b80$@charter.net>

I bought a dozen or two high-strength circular magnets at the hardware store
and I?ve placed those in the engine, hydraulic and transmission drain plugs
of many of my older tractors. Most of those machines use a ?? NPT pipe plug
and the magnet fits very snugly in the recess of the plug. I?m not worried
about the magnet ?escaping? and getting tangled up with moving parts. I?ve
also JB welded a few of those magnets onto the 1? flat drain plugs that
newer machines use. They definitely capture a lot of ?swarf?, especially in
the transmission area.

 

I went to an Ace hardware store who had them but I don?t think they stock
them anymore. This might be another source.

 

 
<https://www.surpluscenter.com/Miscellaneous/Magnets/3-4-x-1-8-Neodymium-N52
-Magnet-Set-of-20-1-5341-20.axd>
https://www.surpluscenter.com/Miscellaneous/Magnets/3-4-x-1-8-Neodymium-N52-
Magnet-Set-of-20-1-5341-20.axd   Unfortunately, these magnets might be too
big for a ?? pipe plug or whatever the size may be. A local hardware store
may be able to special order them.

 

Maybe NAPA stores can order magnetic drain plugs in a NPT size.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Wednesday, March 18, 2020 7:12 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan

 

Does anyone have a link to a magnetic plug for the transmission and oil pan
for a TR4/TR6?  Or know what size it is?  Looks like standard pipe thread to
me.

 

I?m thinking it would be good to replace the standard plugs I have in there
with a set of those.

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 18 22:31:16 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Wed, 18 Mar 2020 21:31:16 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 17:41:38 2020
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 16:41:38 -0700
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan
In-Reply-To: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d5fd7a$a077a250$e166e6f0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bE=08ctCHOx++aLUocnrehhyrX_bkYfTsUVFgfwtZjA-g@mail.gmail.com>

I tried the magnetic plugs offered by Moss but thought the magnet used was
rather lame so, like Alex, I made my own by JBWelding a rare-earth magnet
into the recess of a standard plug.

Geo

On Wed, Mar 18, 2020 at 4:12 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Does anyone have a link to a magnetic plug for the transmission and oil
> pan for a TR4/TR6?  Or know what size it is?  Looks like standard pipe
> thread to me.
>
>
>
> I?m thinking it would be good to replace the standard plugs I have in
> there with a set of those.
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From ccsimonsen at gmail.com  Thu Mar 19 18:00:55 2020
From: ccsimonsen at gmail.com (Chris Simo)
Date: Thu, 19 Mar 2020 20:00:55 -0400
Subject: [TR] transmission and oil pan
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When I rebuilt the motor in the TR2, I put a really strong rare earth
magnet on the bottom of the pan. There was a magnet in the trans pan of my
pickup, so I figured it couldn't hurt.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Mar 20 19:27:42 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:27:42 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
Message-ID: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>

I'm not at all surprised - the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly
stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the
connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic
component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction
clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is
attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening - every now and then the car will get power when
you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected
battery.  No power to anything.  So I'm thinking it's the switch.  I would
prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the
original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock
stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse
European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65
pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Mar 20 19:30:11 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:30:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] FW: TR4 ignition switch
Message-ID: <004201d5ff20$43f7b040$cbe710c0$@ranteer.com>

Addendum: he obviously mated the front of a jaguar/mg switch to something .
. . .  that FP 674 is Lucas.  I don't think the back half is.  Anyone???

 

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 8:28 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: TR4 ignition switch

 

I'm not at all surprised - the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly
stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the
connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic
component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction
clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is
attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening - every now and then the car will get power when
you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected
battery.  No power to anything.  So I'm thinking it's the switch.  I would
prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the
original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock
stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse
European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65
pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Fri Mar 20 20:44:29 2020
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 02:44:29 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB04402CC0F3527115B826F369FAF20@CY4PR22MB0440.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

https://www.ebay.com/itm/Vintage-Lucas-Ignition-Switch-31873-Model-47SA-/273644960952

If that?s the same part, for a GT6 and probably a bunch of other applications.



Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 7:27:42 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch


I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????



Anyone recognize this switch?



I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?



Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Fri Mar 20 21:08:14 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Fri, 20 Mar 2020 20:08:14 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <999300B320094F0D99B2627FBD89043B@RYPC>

The number on the front (31873D) appears to be correct for TR4 (listed in my
1963 Lucas catalog).  The illustration in the catalog doesn't clearly show
the back of the switch, but from what I can see, it's pretty close.  The
wiring diagram shows 7 wires going to the switch (when overdrive fitted), so
I'd expect roughly that many terminals.

I've not found a good way to clean those old Lucar terminals; but you can
usually coax them back into service by spraying with Deoxit (or similar),
pinching the ears tighter with needle nose pliers, then sliding on and off
the terminal a couple of times to break up any oxide on the contact areas. 
https://amzn.com/B07YZPB8RV

The other solution is to replace them.  Here's a little slide show on how to
replace them
https://imgur.com/a/yETAubD

Lots of other things can cause that problem, so I would want to do some
checking before replacing the switch.  If you can duplicate the problem with
the switch out, use a test light between the terminals with white wires and
the brown/blue wires.  If the light lights with the switch in the 'On'
position, the switch is bad.  Otherwise, the problem is somewhere else.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


> Anyone recognize this switch?


From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 02:04:16 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 01:04:16 -0700
Subject: [TR] looking for self tapping pozi drive screw no. 518403
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEycLLpCcZ+ewonsZX-2GpdWj3XcPpacSw4wit6Vz=3Sg@mail.gmail.com>

Used on my Triumph. Does not come up at TRF.

this screw holds some carpet to the wall of a car. It is self taping and
drilling.

Any help appreciated.

Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 02:44:34 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 01:44:34 -0700
Subject: [TR] FW: TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <004201d5ff20$43f7b040$cbe710c0$@ranteer.com>
References: <004201d5ff20$43f7b040$cbe710c0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaE_fm5tUvwT7d=4cjxoeRjTYAoztY9hJBSxZqNq5bYOEg@mail.gmail.com>

classic mini ignition switch perhaps where the key was in the dash I think

https://www.minispares.com/product/classic/13H337.aspx

Sujit

On Fri, Mar 20, 2020 at 6:39 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Addendum: he obviously mated the front of a jaguar/mg switch to something
> . . . .  that FP 674 is Lucas.  I don?t think the back half is.  Anyone???
>
>
>
> *From:* dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> *Sent:* Friday, March 20, 2020 8:28 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* TR4 ignition switch
>
>
>
> I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly
> stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????
>
>
>
> Anyone recognize this switch?
>
>
>
> I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the
> connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic
> component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those
> junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female
> version that is attached to the wires?
>
>
>
> Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when
> you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected
> battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would
> prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the
> original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock
> stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse
> European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65
> pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sat Mar 21 05:00:02 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 07:00:02 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>

Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with keys.
The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.
JVV

From: dave 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!



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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Sat Mar 21 05:37:27 2020
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 07:37:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
 <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <BD172A3FD9D9455E844A38579CECA1EB@VlackTK121647>

Another thought. Clean your battery terminals your symptoms sound like what happens when the battery terminals get corroded. Cables can hid the corrosion too.
JVV

From: Jerry Van Vlack 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 7:00 AM
To: dave ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with keys.
The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.
JVV

From: dave 
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!



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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Mar 21 06:22:08 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:22:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] looking for self tapping pozi drive screw no. 518403
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEycLLpCcZ+ewonsZX-2GpdWj3XcPpacSw4wit6Vz=3Sg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEycLLpCcZ+ewonsZX-2GpdWj3XcPpacSw4wit6Vz=3Sg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1663811472.60447.1584793328804@mail.yahoo.com>

 Have a look here:
https://www.mcmaster.com/self-tapping-screws

 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Mar 21, 2020 3:07 am
Subject: [TR] looking for self tapping pozi drive screw no. 518403

Used on my Triumph. Does not come up at TRF.?
this screw holds some carpet to the wall of a car. It is self taping and drilling.
Any help appreciated.
Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California
https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Mar 21 08:53:44 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 10:53:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
Message-ID: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>

I don't normally browse through BAT, but with all my many social activities
(!) now on hold, I did take a look today.

 

Is anyone familiar with the 1957 small-mouth TR3 currently listed (lot
29535) ?  None of my business, I know, but it always bugs me when I see a
"1957 small-mouth" with door handles.  No Vin listed but a "chassis number"
of 14421 would be a 1957 if it were a vin, but then the car wouldn't have
the rear turn lights.

 

I'm not accusing anyone of nefarious dealing, but an explanation might be
nice.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sat Mar 21 09:11:45 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 11:11:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
In-Reply-To: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
References: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <019101d5ff93$09960640$1cc212c0$@uprichard.net>

Actually, if the vin was 14000, I think it would be late 1956.  Like I said,
too much time on my hands...

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of andrew
uprichard
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer

 

I don't normally browse through BAT, but with all my many social activities
(!) now on hold, I did take a look today.

 

Is anyone familiar with the 1957 small-mouth TR3 currently listed (lot
29535) ?  None of my business, I know, but it always bugs me when I see a
"1957 small-mouth" with door handles.  No Vin listed but a "chassis number"
of 14421 would be a 1957 if it were a vin, but then the car wouldn't have
the rear turn lights.

 

I'm not accusing anyone of nefarious dealing, but an explanation might be
nice.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, MI

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Mar 21 09:26:32 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:26:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
References: <109989633.93271.1584804392053.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <109989633.93271.1584804392053@mail.yahoo.com>

 The doors are easy enough to swap and the later doors are more readily available.? My 57 came with later doors with the holes patched over.? The swap over to four rear lights occurred mid-year that your.? But this car has both the center brake and the two brake lights on either end.? ???
Other than that it looks like a nice resto.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Mar 21, 2020 9:53 am
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer

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From pryner at outlook.com  Sat Mar 21 09:27:05 2020
From: pryner at outlook.com (Peter Ryner)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:27:05 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
In-Reply-To: <019101d5ff93$09960640$1cc212c0$@uprichard.net>
References: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
 <019101d5ff93$09960640$1cc212c0$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <BN3PR04MB2244D66C862BCC4EF642500EDEF20@BN3PR04MB2244.namprd04.prod.outlook.com>

Remember that in the past the year on the title was when the car was sold, not when it was manufactured.  Many titles do not match the actual year of manufacture as many sat waiting for transportation to the US, then transport to a deal and on the lot for a while waiting to be sold.
Pete

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of andrew uprichard
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 11:12 AM
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer

Actually, if the vin was 14000, I think it would be late 1956.  Like I said, too much time on my hands.....

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> On Behalf Of andrew uprichard
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:54 AM
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer

I don't normally browse through BAT, but with all my many social activities (!) now on hold, I did take a look today.

Is anyone familiar with the 1957 small-mouth TR3 currently listed (lot 29535) ?  None of my business, I know, but it always bugs me when I see a "1957 small-mouth" with door handles.  No Vin listed but a "chassis number" of 14421 would be a 1957 if it were a vin, but then the car wouldn't have the rear turn lights.

I'm not accusing anyone of nefarious dealing, but an explanation might be nice...

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, MI
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From COCHRAN at uthscsa.edu  Sat Mar 21 09:30:04 2020
From: COCHRAN at uthscsa.edu (Cochran, David L)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:30:04 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <BD172A3FD9D9455E844A38579CECA1EB@VlackTK121647>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
 <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>,
 <BD172A3FD9D9455E844A38579CECA1EB@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <C551903D-E58E-4D4D-8BDD-D00CDD81B5CB@uthscsa.edu>

I had that same problem and it was the battery cables.

On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:

?
Another thought. Clean your battery terminals your symptoms sound like what happens when the battery terminals get corroded. Cables can hid the corrosion too.
JVV

From: Jerry Van Vlack
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 7:00 AM
To: dave ; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with keys.
The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.
JVV

From: dave
Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

Anyone recognize this switch?

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?

Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Mar 21 12:06:04 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:06:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <C551903D-E58E-4D4D-8BDD-D00CDD81B5CB@uthscsa.edu>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
 <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>,
 <BD172A3FD9D9455E844A38579CECA1EB@VlackTK121647>
 <C551903D-E58E-4D4D-8BDD-D00CDD81B5CB@uthscsa.edu>
Message-ID: <004901d5ffab$63902820$2ab07860$@ranteer.com>

Good thought, and I would look there but since the starter button in the engine compartment works with no issue, I?m thinking it?s the switch.  And, if it weren?t for the electric fuel pump located under the gas tank, I would run a wire to the coil and start it right up!

 

From: Cochran, David L <COCHRAN at uthscsa.edu> 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 10:30 AM
To: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com>
Cc: dave <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

I had that same problem and it was the battery cables.





On Mar 21, 2020, at 6:39 AM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com <mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com> > wrote:

? 

Another thought. Clean your battery terminals your symptoms sound like what happens when the battery terminals get corroded. Cables can hid the corrosion too.

JVV

 

From: Jerry Van Vlack 

Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 7:00 AM

To: dave ; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with keys.

The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.

JVV

 

From: dave 

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM

To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!


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From artfournier4 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 12:12:03 2020
From: artfournier4 at gmail.com (Arthur Fournier)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:12:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] Britain on the Green - Cancelled
Message-ID: <CAF2RLw4qq7M5wmkPLBirbDz5fTd4C4-2u4zJFGSMAyViN4dyxQ@mail.gmail.com>

*Britain on the Green update:*  Britain on the Green had been scheduled for
April 26, 2020 at Gunston Hall in Lorton, VA.  However, Gunston Hall is
closed to all events through April 2020 to comply with the Governor's
instructions which means that venue is no longer available for BOG. Britain
on the Green is therefore cancelled for this year and will return in 2021.



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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Mar 21 12:23:57 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 13:23:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
 <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <004f01d5ffad$e35e4990$aa1adcb0$@ranteer.com>

Scott Harper had one for $14 plus shipping, including keys.  It?s on the way.  In the mean time I?ll test the connectivity with the switch on the bench.  It was also suggested that I clean the terminals and use deoxit.  Did that no joy.  If the test show it is in fact good I?ll replace the female tangs.  But I doubt it!

 

From: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:00 AM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with keys.

The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.

JVV

 

From: dave 

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM

To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Mar 21 13:16:53 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 15:16:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <00d201d5ffb5$482c8ba0$d885a2e0$@bell.net>

Looks like a TR4 switch to me. The switch may be Lucas, but the lock is
Wilmot Breedon and the FP674 identifies the key/lock combination. There
should be a little spring post toward the bottom of the lock, that when
depressed will allow the lock to slide out of the switch body. Comments that
I might make on the problem have already been made by others so I will not
repeat them.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: March 20, 2020 9:28 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

I'm not at all surprised - the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly
stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Mar 21 13:24:23 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:24:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
 <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647> 
Message-ID: <000001d5ffb6$5423f0f0$fc6bd2d0$@ranteer.com>

Finally was able to sit down and test the switch with my multi meter.  Looks like the ignition wire (i.e., power to the system) is where the problem is.

 

Fortunately that extra ignition switch was not expensive.  I don?t mind having a spare!

 

Now to track that wire and the problem!!

 

Thanks so much for everyone?s help.

 

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'triumphs at autox.team.net' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Scott Harper had one for $14 plus shipping, including keys.  It?s on the way.  In the mean time I?ll test the connectivity with the switch on the bench.  It was also suggested that I clean the terminals and use deoxit.  Did that no joy.  If the test show it is in fact good I?ll replace the female tangs.  But I doubt it!

 

From: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com <mailto:jerryvv at roadrunner.com> > 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:00 AM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> >; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with keys.

The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.

JVV

 

From: dave 

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM

To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  

Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Mar 21 13:28:03 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 14:28:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <00d201d5ffb5$482c8ba0$d885a2e0$@bell.net>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
 <00d201d5ffb5$482c8ba0$d885a2e0$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <001801d5ffb6$d7878010$86968030$@ranteer.com>

Yes, thank you.  I was quite fooled - I looked at the wiring diagram which
had 4 terminals, but there were clearly 6 wires coming off it.  I assumed
there were 6 separate terminals.  When I got it off I saw that there really
are just 4; that several of the terminals are dual.   Good to know I don't
have a FrankenSwitch!

 

From: Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net> 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 2:17 PM
To: 'dave' <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Looks like a TR4 switch to me. The switch may be Lucas, but the lock is
Wilmot Breedon and the FP674 identifies the key/lock combination. There
should be a little spring post toward the bottom of the lock, that when
depressed will allow the lock to slide out of the switch body. Comments that
I might make on the problem have already been made by others so I will not
repeat them.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

 

 

 

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > 
Sent: March 20, 2020 9:28 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

I'm not at all surprised - the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly
stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Sat Mar 21 13:43:05 2020
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:43:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch
In-Reply-To: <000001d5ffb6$5423f0f0$fc6bd2d0$@ranteer.com>
References: <003c01d5ff1f$eb6cc1e0$c24645a0$@ranteer.com>
 <4F8B0F87B0534517A40C400FF268EC77@VlackTK121647>
 <000001d5ffb6$5423f0f0$fc6bd2d0$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <00e601d5ffb8$f1f29550$d5d7bff0$@net>

Dave, if you have an ammeter, try taking it out of the circuit ? put both leads on the same stud or use a jumper. Seems strange that it would fail intermittently, but they have been known to fail.

Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 12:24 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Finally was able to sit down and test the switch with my multi meter.  Looks like the ignition wire (i.e., power to the system) is where the problem is.

 

Fortunately that extra ignition switch was not expensive.  I don?t mind having a spare!

 

Now to track that wire and the problem!!

 

Thanks so much for everyone?s help.

 

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 1:24 PM
To: 'triumphs at autox.team.net' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: RE: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Scott Harper had one for $14 plus shipping, including keys.  It?s on the way.  In the mean time I?ll test the connectivity with the switch on the bench.  It was also suggested that I clean the terminals and use deoxit.  Did that no joy.  If the test show it is in fact good I?ll replace the female tangs.  But I doubt it!

 

From: Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> 
Sent: Saturday, March 21, 2020 6:00 AM
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

Contact Scott Harper @  Team Triumph 330-392-7176 Warren, Ohio. Best to call after 11 am. He may well have a good used switch and maybe the correct key number and or with keys.

The switch looks identical to the switch in my 4A.

JVV

 

From: dave 

Sent: Friday, March 20, 2020 9:27 PM

To: triumphs at autox.team.net 

Subject: [TR] TR4 ignition switch

 

I?m not at all surprised ? the ignition switch in my TR4 is not exactly stock.  It might be a TR switch but ?????

 

Anyone recognize this switch?

 

I took it out of the mounting today, and individually pulled off the connectors, cleaning what I could and spraying it with an electronic component cleaner.  Anyone seen a tool to clean the inside of those junction clips?  I can clean the tab but how to you clean the female version that is attached to the wires?

 

Here is what is happening ? every now and then the car will get power when you turn the key, and start.  Mostly you get nothing, like a disconnected battery.  No power to anything.  So I?m thinking it?s the switch.  I would prefer to replace it with what ever the heck is in there now.  Note: the original owner had a parts store (FLAPS) and the car is full of non stock stuff, from the alternator to the electric fan, electric fuel pump, 10 fuse European fuse box, etc., etc., etc.  he installed backup lights out of a 65 pontiac, drilling holes in the trunk lid.  Yikes!

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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Mar 21 13:47:51 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 12:47:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
In-Reply-To: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
References: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <DF6BA611C27246419623A0F84E72FC97@RYPC>

I owned a 56 for awhile that had door handles.  Was never absolutely certain
(door handles were part of the GT option on early cars), but my assumption
was that someone had replaced the doors.

That wouldn't explain the separate turn signals on the back of course.
However, lots of forward details are correct, so I'm guessing the rear apron
has either been replaced with a later one, or someone has added the turn
signals.  The factory did use separate plinths on a few cars; I even found a
part number for the plinth once (although I don't have it handy).  If you
could find (or reproduce) a pair of those, then adding the turn signals
wouldn't be all that difficult.

Or, FWIW, I once looked at a TR3A for sale that was literally two different
cars, split through the middle and welded together.  The owner admitted as
much, said one car had been wrecked in the back so they bought a second car
that had been wrecked in the front (or maybe it was the other way round) and
grafted them together.  Unfortunately, one was pre-TS60K and the other was
not.  Some other little touches (like the chrome plated dashboard and all
pipes painted in contrasting colors to indicate contents) convinced my
friend to keep looking :)

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 


From artfournier4 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 07:10:08 2020
From: artfournier4 at gmail.com (Arthur Fournier)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 09:10:08 -0400
Subject: [TR] Britain on the Green - Cancelled for 2020
Message-ID: <CAF2RLw74e_Saiicp23__WJRcu0sWszyFC657S2ZvFijEcsFa8Q@mail.gmail.com>

*Britain on the Green update:*  Britain on the Green had been scheduled for
April 26, 2020 at Gunston Hall in Lorton, VA.  However, Gunston Hall is
closed to all events through April 2020 to comply with the Governor's
instructions which means that venue is no longer available for BOG. Britain
on the Green is therefore cancelled for this year and will return in 2021.



Arthur Fournier

Newsletter Editor

Capital Triumph Register
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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Sat Mar 21 18:59:05 2020
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (William Pugh)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 17:59:05 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
In-Reply-To: <DF6BA611C27246419623A0F84E72FC97@RYPC>
References: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
 <DF6BA611C27246419623A0F84E72FC97@RYPC>
Message-ID: <77C798D6-2898-436A-94E8-3834AD4E15A4@comcast.net>

The alpine rally winners were 1957 Small Mouth and definitely had out side door handles, there was an ?Eruopean Accessory Kit? that included locking doors, they did not Trust  the French.




> On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
> 
> I owned a 56 for awhile that had door handles.  Was never absolutely certain
> (door handles were part of the GT option on early cars), but my assumption
> was that someone had replaced the doors.
> 
> That wouldn't explain the separate turn signals on the back of course.
> However, lots of forward details are correct, so I'm guessing the rear apron
> has either been replaced with a later one, or someone has added the turn
> signals.  The factory did use separate plinths on a few cars; I even found a
> part number for the plinth once (although I don't have it handy).  If you
> could find (or reproduce) a pair of those, then adding the turn signals
> wouldn't be all that difficult.
> 
> Or, FWIW, I once looked at a TR3A for sale that was literally two different
> cars, split through the middle and welded together.  The owner admitted as
> much, said one car had been wrecked in the back so they bought a second car
> that had been wrecked in the front (or maybe it was the other way round) and
> grafted them together.  Unfortunately, one was pre-TS60K and the other was
> not.  Some other little touches (like the chrome plated dashboard and all
> pipes painted in contrasting colors to indicate contents) convinced my
> friend to keep looking :)
> 
> -- Randall 
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 
> 
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> 
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 19:08:46 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 20:08:46 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
In-Reply-To: <77C798D6-2898-436A-94E8-3834AD4E15A4@comcast.net>
References: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
 <DF6BA611C27246419623A0F84E72FC97@RYPC>
 <77C798D6-2898-436A-94E8-3834AD4E15A4@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFDyv86wkF3UVvGBYMQUyavGTuL_1MbW7opXpiXmjKt=bw@mail.gmail.com>

The image from the 1957 Alpine Rally shows the GT kit Randall mentioned on
that TR3 -- note the chrome molding strip on the lower edge of the fixed
side curtains, which with the hardtop let the TR3 compete in a different
rally class.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 8:00 PM William Pugh <anabil007 at comcast.net> wrote:

> The alpine rally winners were 1957 Small Mouth and definitely had out side
> door handles, there was an ?Eruopean Accessory Kit? that included locking
> doors, they did not Trust  the French.
>
>
> [image: See the source image]
>
> On Mar 21, 2020, at 12:47 PM, Randall <tr3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:
>
> I owned a 56 for awhile that had door handles.  Was never absolutely
> certain
> (door handles were part of the GT option on early cars), but my assumption
> was that someone had replaced the doors.
>
> That wouldn't explain the separate turn signals on the back of course.
> However, lots of forward details are correct, so I'm guessing the rear
> apron
> has either been replaced with a later one, or someone has added the turn
> signals.  The factory did use separate plinths on a few cars; I even found
> a
> part number for the plinth once (although I don't have it handy).  If you
> could find (or reproduce) a pair of those, then adding the turn signals
> wouldn't be all that difficult.
>
> Or, FWIW, I once looked at a TR3A for sale that was literally two different
> cars, split through the middle and welded together.  The owner admitted as
> much, said one car had been wrecked in the back so they bought a second car
> that had been wrecked in the front (or maybe it was the other way round)
> and
> grafted them together.  Unfortunately, one was pre-TS60K and the other was
> not.  Some other little touches (like the chrome plated dashboard and all
> pipes painted in contrasting colors to indicate contents) convinced my
> friend to keep looking :)
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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>
> Life is too short
> to drive Boring Cars
>
>
>
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>
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Sat Mar 21 20:26:26 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 19:26:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFDyv86wkF3UVvGBYMQUyavGTuL_1MbW7opXpiXmjKt=bw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
 <DF6BA611C27246419623A0F84E72FC97@RYPC>
 <77C798D6-2898-436A-94E8-3834AD4E15A4@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <63D1CC3E03F24E5EA105A00520173C72@RYPC>

Here's a shot of another car with the GT kit.  Makes the strip look more
vinyl covered to me, but might have been chrome.

ISTR Piggott wrote that the outside handles in the GT kit were different
than the TR3A handles.  For one thing (again IIRC), the 3A doors had a
raised plinth for the handle base, but the GT handles just bolted to the
door surface.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> The image from the 1957 Alpine Rally shows the GT kit Randall 
> mentioned on that TR3 -- note the chrome molding strip on the 
> lower edge of the fixed side curtains, which with the hardtop 
> let the TR3 compete in a different rally class.
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Mar 21 20:50:02 2020
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 21 Mar 2020 21:50:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR3 on Bring a Trailer
In-Reply-To: <63D1CC3E03F24E5EA105A00520173C72@RYPC>
References: <016701d5ff90$85969730$90c3c590$@uprichard.net>
 <DF6BA611C27246419623A0F84E72FC97@RYPC>
 <77C798D6-2898-436A-94E8-3834AD4E15A4@comcast.net>
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Randall, you might be right about the molding being vinyl covered -- my
statement about chrome isn't authoritative.  Somehow I have a memory of
holding one of those molding strips in my hand once upon a time, somewhere,
someone's....  In my mind's eye I see a chrome-plated metal strip with
threaded studs on the backside, arched to fit the door sill where the side
curtain would have been fixed.  But I can't think where I got that memory,
or even if it was here in the US or in the UK.

On Sat, Mar 21, 2020 at 9:34 PM Randall <TR3driver at ca.rr.com> wrote:

> Here's a shot of another car with the GT kit.  Makes the strip look more
> vinyl covered to me, but might have been chrome.
>
> ISTR Piggott wrote that the outside handles in the GT kit were different
> than the TR3A handles.  For one thing (again IIRC), the 3A doors had a
> raised plinth for the handle base, but the GT handles just bolted to the
> door surface.
>
> -- Randall
> 56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
> 71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
> 71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild
>
> > The image from the 1957 Alpine Rally shows the GT kit Randall
> > mentioned on that TR3 -- note the chrome molding strip on the
> > lower edge of the fixed side curtains, which with the hardtop
> > let the TR3 compete in a different rally class.
> >
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Mar 22 07:03:20 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 08:03:20 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 switch
Message-ID: <000001d6004a$435c2320$ca146960$@ranteer.com>

I have found that the voltage to the switch is about 7.5.  is that right?
(the generator has been replaced with an alternator and it has a digital
voltage regulator if that matters)

 

And when I jump the connection to the starter nothing happens, so clearly
there is a problem with that 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Mar 22 08:10:12 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 14:10:12 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 switch
References: <1932111208.101455.1584886212782.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1932111208.101455.1584886212782@mail.yahoo.com>

 Are you saying the brown wire has 7.5 volts?? If si the problem is in the brown wire or (more likely) it's connection at the solenoid.? Does the TR4 have the 3/8 quick connect terminal on it?? Try cleaning that up.? It has no effect on the starter but will break everything else.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 22, 2020 8:05 am
Subject: [TR] TR4 switch

&lt;!-- #yiv0400084264 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv0400084264 #yiv0400084264 p.yiv0400084264MsoNormal, #yiv0400084264 li.yiv0400084264MsoNormal, #yiv0400084264 div.yiv0400084264MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv0400084264 span.yiv0400084264EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv0400084264 .yiv0400084264MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv0400084264 div.yiv0400084264WordSection1 {} --&gt;I have found that the voltage to the switch is about 7.5.? is that right?? (the generator has been replaced with an alternator and it has a digital voltage regulator if that matters) ?And when I jump the connection to the starter nothing happens, so clearly there is a problem with that 
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sun Mar 22 09:03:56 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 11:03:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4 switch
In-Reply-To: <000001d6004a$435c2320$ca146960$@ranteer.com>
References: <000001d6004a$435c2320$ca146960$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <002701d6005b$1c4c3a70$54e4af50$@charter.net>

Sounds like that's your problem right there. You should have full battery
voltage coming into the ignition switch. Remember, the battery ground
circuit is just as important as the battery insulated circuit. Make sure
that ground straps that connect the body to the engine/battery are in good
shape. Under a load, each complete circuit (insulated and ground) should not
have more than 0.2 to 0.4 volt drop from the battery post to its final
destination.

 

Alex Thomson

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 9:03 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4 switch

 

I have found that the voltage to the switch is about 7.5.  is that right?
(the generator has been replaced with an alternator and it has a digital
voltage regulator if that matters)

 

And when I jump the connection to the starter nothing happens, so clearly
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Mar 22 14:09:38 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 15:09:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 switch
Message-ID: <000d01d60085$d10def10$7329cd30$@ranteer.com>

For those interested, here's a shot of the internals of the digital VR:
https://www.ranteer.com/davescars/tr4/P1020419.JPG

 

I actually have a replacement unit on there now installed after this picture
was taken.  Its identical to the one that came on the car when I bought it.

 

As it turned out, I removed the VR because it was in the way of getting to
the wires.  I noticed that it was pretty loose.

 

Some testing and directly grounding the VR to the negative terminal of the
battery while it was off and I was getting 12 volts to the switch.

 

VR is bolted SECURELY back on, complete with ground and the engine is
starting right up and purring right along.

 

Thanks to everyone who contributed to this discussion and helped and
encouraged me to work through it.  Its been an interesting, and maybe fun,
experience.

 

Off and driving!!!!!

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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sun Mar 22 16:08:36 2020
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:08:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] Anyone near Tampa FL?
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0440A67D0952F12966ABD717FAF30@CY4PR22MB0440.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

I?m looking at a white TR7 on ebay. If someone nearby is willing to look at it, there?s a beverage delivery in your future.

TIA,

Cliff


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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 16:16:38 2020
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:16:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] Anyone near Tampa FL?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR22MB0440A67D0952F12966ABD717FAF30@CY4PR22MB0440.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB0440A67D0952F12966ABD717FAF30@CY4PR22MB0440.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <4F81A608-2A96-4E25-98F7-6E563D132A8B@gmail.com>

And a free box of disinfectant wipes.  I?m 90 minutes away but not many Venturing out down here right now. Jim Henningsen
ocala fl

Sent from my iPhone

> On Mar 22, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> I?m looking at a white TR7 on ebay. If someone nearby is willing to look at it, there?s a beverage delivery in your future.
>  
> TIA,
> 
> Cliff
>  
>  
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Sun Mar 22 16:35:13 2020
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 16:35:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Gas tank seal or not seal?
Message-ID: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>

Listerati

I'm refurbishing a Spitfire gas tank and trying to decide to seal it (or not) once all the prep work is done to de-grease and de-rust it.
What say you, seal or not.
If I seal it what sealer have folks had good luck with? I'm looking at, Caswell, Por-15, Kreem, and Eastwood sealers.
I've read good and bad things about sealers.

Thanks
Bud



Sent from my Commodore 64

From jdinnis at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 16:49:29 2020
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 17:49:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Gas tank seal or not seal?
In-Reply-To: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>
References: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YBMTBaCLA0AzbA7K_gRncRaN2MdqFMe9FfwtDAB0Tbf7A@mail.gmail.com>

The previous owner had the tank in my Spitfire sealed with Kreem.  That was
at least 15 years ago, and I have had no issue whatsoever with the tank.
The work was done by a local radiator shop, so I suspect they did a good
job of prepping and installing the product since it is still working
great.  About 10 years ago I installed Kreem in a motorcycle tank that had
minor rust issues.  I did the whole process outlined in the instructions.
Including the rinse with distilled water and MEK.  I only owned the bike
about 4 years after installing the Kreem, but I never had any issues with
it.  Installation was a bit of a pain, getting the product evenly
distributed and keeping it moving until it was time to drain off the
excess.

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:35 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Listerati
>
> I'm refurbishing a Spitfire gas tank and trying to decide to seal it (or
> not) once all the prep work is done to de-grease and de-rust it.
> What say you, seal or not.
> If I seal it what sealer have folks had good luck with? I'm looking at,
> Caswell, Por-15, Kreem, and Eastwood sealers.
> I've read good and bad things about sealers.
>
> Thanks
> Bud
>
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Mar 22 16:50:38 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:50:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gas tank seal or not seal?
In-Reply-To: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>
References: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <bb6b18bb-688b-5280-3854-0b9eeeb578c3@verizon.net>

...was it rusty inside??
why seal it if not? A good primer and poly on the outside is all that 
would be needed.

ptegler

On 3/22/2020 6:35 PM, Bud Rolofson wrote:
> Listerati
>
> I'm refurbishing a Spitfire gas tank and trying to decide to seal it (or not) once all the prep work is done to de-grease and de-rust it.
> What say you, seal or not.
> If I seal it what sealer have folks had good luck with? I'm looking at, Caswell, Por-15, Kreem, and Eastwood sealers.
> I've read good and bad things about sealers.
>
> Thanks
> Bud
>
>
>
> Sent from my Commodore 64
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sun Mar 22 16:57:41 2020
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 22:57:41 +0000
Subject: [TR] Anyone near Tampa FL?
In-Reply-To: <4F81A608-2A96-4E25-98F7-6E563D132A8B@gmail.com>
References: <CY4PR22MB0440A67D0952F12966ABD717FAF30@CY4PR22MB0440.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>,
 <4F81A608-2A96-4E25-98F7-6E563D132A8B@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0440202896A8D7AA70D56484FAF30@CY4PR22MB0440.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

Right? feeling silly now for even asking.

Cliff


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From: James Henningsen<mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 4:16 PM
To: Cliff Hansen<mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
Cc: list Triumph<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Anyone near Tampa FL?

And a free box of disinfectant wipes.  I?m 90 minutes away but not many Venturing out down here right now. Jim Henningsen
ocala fl
Sent from my iPhone


On Mar 22, 2020, at 6:08 PM, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:
?
I?m looking at a white TR7 on ebay. If someone nearby is willing to look at it, there?s a beverage delivery in your future.

TIA,

Cliff


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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Mar 22 17:00:02 2020
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 22 Mar 2020 18:00:02 -0500
Subject: [TR] Gas tank seal or not seal?
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YBMTBaCLA0AzbA7K_gRncRaN2MdqFMe9FfwtDAB0Tbf7A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>
 <CANuE7YBMTBaCLA0AzbA7K_gRncRaN2MdqFMe9FfwtDAB0Tbf7A@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZkcJndeoy1J=EOucmnmNuWPs+hWziN2Q2uBSws2Fkm+w@mail.gmail.com>

My feelings about sealer have changed a little over the years.  But to
start, I will say I have used the Bill Hirsch kit with good results.  I
sealed an Austin Healey many years ago with good results, when I tried my
Triumph not so good, and ended up getting another tank.  If it is not too
bad I think sealer works pretty well if the tank isn't too bad, but if
really rusted it may just bind the rust up and cause it to break off in
bigger pieces.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Mar 22, 2020, 5:49 PM John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:

> The previous owner had the tank in my Spitfire sealed with Kreem.  That
> was at least 15 years ago, and I have had no issue whatsoever with the
> tank.  The work was done by a local radiator shop, so I suspect they did a
> good job of prepping and installing the product since it is still working
> great.  About 10 years ago I installed Kreem in a motorcycle tank that had
> minor rust issues.  I did the whole process outlined in the instructions.
> Including the rinse with distilled water and MEK.  I only owned the bike
> about 4 years after installing the Kreem, but I never had any issues with
> it.  Installation was a bit of a pain, getting the product evenly
> distributed and keeping it moving until it was time to drain off the
> excess.
>
> On Sun, Mar 22, 2020 at 5:35 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
>
>> Listerati
>>
>> I'm refurbishing a Spitfire gas tank and trying to decide to seal it (or
>> not) once all the prep work is done to de-grease and de-rust it.
>> What say you, seal or not.
>> If I seal it what sealer have folks had good luck with? I'm looking at,
>> Caswell, Por-15, Kreem, and Eastwood sealers.
>> I've read good and bad things about sealers.
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bud
>>
>>
>>
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Mar 23 06:59:58 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 08:59:58 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gas tank seal or not seal?
In-Reply-To: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>
References: <7BA7CE3F-5831-4CDE-96E0-B4CCBFA0FC55@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <001c01d60112$f5773e00$e065ba00$@charter.net>

I've sealed a couple of tractor tanks with a product from "The Shop"
http://theshopproducts.com/products_gastank-sealer.html  and had great
results. I'm not sure if they still sell their tank sealer, though. To get
rid of the loose scale and rust, I dump a box or two of 1/2 inch nuts into
the tank and shake as long as I can. All of the nuts can be retrieved with a
magnet. I tried the same thing with some driveway stone once and that was a
mistake! I had a heck of a job to get all of the stone and stone dust out of
the tank! I won't do that again.

The only downside of sealing a tank is the repeat labor of removing the tank
and all that goes with it if the sealing job doesn't work out. Getting
stranded somewhere because of clogged fuel lines might make a replacement
tank seem quite inexpensive! 

Alex Thomson


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud
Rolofson
Sent: Sunday, March 22, 2020 6:35 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gas tank seal or not seal?

Listerati

I'm refurbishing a Spitfire gas tank and trying to decide to seal it (or
not) once all the prep work is done to de-grease and de-rust it.
What say you, seal or not.
If I seal it what sealer have folks had good luck with? I'm looking at,
Caswell, Por-15, Kreem, and Eastwood sealers.
I've read good and bad things about sealers.

Thanks
Bud



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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Mar 23 12:05:59 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 11:05:59 -0700
Subject: [TR] glove box check strap for Triumps
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGpEL81s_gZzppwU6pwWdXPfusC60MmYMNEKiUDMtKojg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a few glove box check straps. One is completely metal the other is
metal and plastic. As can be seen in the photo the plastic part is broken.
I got my high-schooler son, who is an ace at Solid Works, to draft one of
these. His friend 3D printed it
Its made of two parts. The pin is pressed on. I can share the file, that is
once he give it to me.

Sujit
[image: 20200322_160047.jpg]
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Mar 23 13:32:11 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 15:32:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] glove box check strap for Triumps
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGpEL81s_gZzppwU6pwWdXPfusC60MmYMNEKiUDMtKojg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGpEL81s_gZzppwU6pwWdXPfusC60MmYMNEKiUDMtKojg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <004301d60149$c020e530$4062af90$@charter.net>

That?s neat! Thanks for sharing.

 

Alex Thomson

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 2:06 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] glove box check strap for Triumps

 


I have a few glove box check straps. One is completely metal the other is metal and plastic. As can be seen in the photo the plastic part is broken.
I got my high-schooler son, who is an ace at Solid Works, to draft one of these. His friend 3D printed it
Its made of two parts. The pin is pressed on. I can share the file, that is once he give it to me.

Sujit 


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Cupertino, California


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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Mon Mar 23 14:18:22 2020
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 20:18:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Aftermarket Headlights
References: <845243440.839012.1584994702151.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <845243440.839012.1584994702151@mail.yahoo.com>

A friend asked me which aftermarket headlights he should buy for his British car. ?My reply was that I've been using Hellas with H-4 bulbs in my TR4A for many years,?but that may not be the preferred choice today. ?What's the group's opinion?TIA!George Haynes
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Mar 23 17:59:01 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 23 Mar 2020 18:59:01 -0500
Subject: [TR] Aftermarket Headlights
In-Reply-To: <845243440.839012.1584994702151@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <845243440.839012.1584994702151.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <845243440.839012.1584994702151@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <001601d6016f$0723e980$156bbc80$@ranteer.com>

https://litezupp.com/  makes amazing headlights.  Totally get those.  And they are LED so the electrical demand is well within any LBC.

 

They are British car people and totally get it.

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of George Haynes
Sent: Monday, March 23, 2020 3:18 PM
To: Triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Aftermarket Headlights

 

A friend asked me which aftermarket headlights he should buy for his British car.   

My reply was that I've been using Hellas with H-4 bulbs in my TR4A for many years, 

but that may not be the preferred choice today.  What's the group's opinion? 

TIA!

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From terryrs at comcast.net  Tue Mar 24 08:55:33 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:55:33 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Sandblasting Valve
Message-ID: <209889171.1386410.1585061734020@connect.xfinity.com>

Hi, Everyone.  I'm making my second sandblaster gun.  First one used a brass 3/8ths on/off valve that worked great but wore out rather quickly.  

Anyone have a recommendation for a steel valve?  McMaster-Carr has a valve of stainless steel, which I assume means the ball as well, but then states the "seal" is made of PTFE plastic.  What does that mean?  

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Tue Mar 24 09:09:53 2020
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 08:09:53 -0700
Subject: [TR] Sandblasting Valve
In-Reply-To: <209889171.1386410.1585061734020@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <209889171.1386410.1585061734020@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <d5fc1e39-058a-1e55-3b41-db606c5b6558@gmail.com>

On 3/24/20 7:55 AM, TERRY SMITH wrote:
> Hi, Everyone.? I'm making my second sandblaster gun.? First one used a 
> brass 3/8ths on/off valve that worked great but wore out rather quickly.

If it were me I would look at sand blasters to find one similar to what 
I wanted to build then contact the company with the model number and 
order a replacement valve.

TeriAnn


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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 24 09:39:56 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:39:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sandblasting Valve
In-Reply-To: <209889171.1386410.1585061734020@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <209889171.1386410.1585061734020@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <9489D20C-4977-4F2E-98DF-C0B1AB716E74@yahoo.com>

IIRC, PTFE is Teflon. 
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 9:56 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 

?
Hi, Everyone.  I'm making my second sandblaster gun.  First one used a brass 3/8ths on/off valve that worked great but wore out rather quickly.  

Anyone have a recommendation for a steel valve?  McMaster-Carr has a valve of stainless steel, which I assume means the ball as well, but then states the "seal" is made of PTFE plastic.  What does that mean?  

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar 24 09:39:56 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 24 Mar 2020 10:39:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Sandblasting Valve
In-Reply-To: <209889171.1386410.1585061734020@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <209889171.1386410.1585061734020@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <9489D20C-4977-4F2E-98DF-C0B1AB716E74@yahoo.com>

IIRC, PTFE is Teflon. 
Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

> On Mar 24, 2020, at 9:56 AM, TERRY SMITH <terryrs at comcast.net> wrote:
> 

?
Hi, Everyone.  I'm making my second sandblaster gun.  First one used a brass 3/8ths on/off valve that worked great but wore out rather quickly.  

Anyone have a recommendation for a steel valve?  McMaster-Carr has a valve of stainless steel, which I assume means the ball as well, but then states the "seal" is made of PTFE plastic.  What does that mean?  

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire
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From asg123 at centurylink.net  Wed Mar 25 10:16:26 2020
From: asg123 at centurylink.net (asg123 at centurylink.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] TR4A Shifter forks
Message-ID: <682675077.71124205.1585152986265.JavaMail.zimbra@centurylink.net>

Good day all. I am in need of Shifter Forks. Especially for the third-fourth fork. Of course they need to be in good condition, not real worn like my current forks. 
Has anyone had experience with rw_auto_classics? May go with one they have unless I hear from any other source. Thanks, stay safe all! Arnold S Gilmour 


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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Mar 25 15:05:43 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:05:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
Message-ID: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>

I don't have Coronavirus, in fact I'm feeling quite good,

But I'm doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.

If I didn't have all of those Triumphs, I'd be bored right out of my brain,

But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain. 

 

Leaks and squeaks and rattles - now is the time to fix

Oh - and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?

The lights that don't work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the
floor,

Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires  - need I list any more?

 

The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,

For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.

So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,

We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!

 

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From bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com  Wed Mar 25 17:23:51 2020
From: bdischer.lists at blakedischer.com (Blake J. Discher)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:23:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <0febd309-258f-0476-2609-656a1c0e7f25@blakedischer.com>

Excellent!
Wishing you well Andrew from a bit down the road in Detroit.

Blake Discher


On 3/25/20 5:05 PM, andrew uprichard wrote:
>
> I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,
>
> But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.
>
> If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my 
> brain,
>
> But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain.
>
> Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix
>
> Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?
>
> The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over 
> the floor,
>
> Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires ?- need I list any more?
>
> The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,
>
> For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.
>
> So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,
>
> We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!
>
>
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Mar 25 17:37:38 2020
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 23:37:38 +0000
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <37E9C57C-2E73-4796-ADA9-640DFDE23DB0@albiontechnical.com>

Brilliant!

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

On Mar 25, 2020, at 16:06, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>> wrote:

I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,
But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.
If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,
But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain.

Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix
Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?
The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,
Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires  - need I list any more?

The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,
For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.
So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,
We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 25 18:01:29 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:01:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <37E9C57C-2E73-4796-ADA9-640DFDE23DB0@albiontechnical.com>
References: <37E9C57C-2E73-4796-ADA9-640DFDE23DB0@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <EE6153D9-E3BC-405A-9FD2-381542B569E1@yahoo.com>

Never a dull moment for a real TR owner.   I was putting off front end bushings till next year, but now, maybe. 

Gave up on the charge light working with my 3-wire alternator.   

Heck, it?s a beautiful day, I?ll go for a drive in the country!

Bill B
TS30800L

On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:

? Brilliant!

Mike

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> On Mar 25, 2020, at 16:06, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,
> But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.
> If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,
> But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain.
>  
> Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix
> Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?
> The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,
> Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires  - need I list any more?
>  
> The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,
> For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.
> So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,
> We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!
>  
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 25 18:01:29 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:01:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <37E9C57C-2E73-4796-ADA9-640DFDE23DB0@albiontechnical.com>
References: <37E9C57C-2E73-4796-ADA9-640DFDE23DB0@albiontechnical.com>
Message-ID: <EE6153D9-E3BC-405A-9FD2-381542B569E1@yahoo.com>

Never a dull moment for a real TR owner.   I was putting off front end bushings till next year, but now, maybe. 

Gave up on the charge light working with my 3-wire alternator.   

Heck, it?s a beautiful day, I?ll go for a drive in the country!

Bill B
TS30800L

On Mar 25, 2020, at 6:37 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:

? Brilliant!

Mike

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Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 25, 2020, at 16:06, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:
> 
> I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,
> But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.
> If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,
> But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain.
>  
> Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix
> Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?
> The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,
> Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires  - need I list any more?
>  
> The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,
> For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.
> So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,
> We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!
>  
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 25 18:15:21 2020
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 00:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1343513678.1424519.1585181721730@mail.yahoo.com>

 very nicefrank
    On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 02:05:58 PM PDT, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net> wrote:  
 
 
I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,

But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.

If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,

But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain. 

 ?

Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix

Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?

The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,

Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires ?- need I list any more?

 ?

The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,

For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.

So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,

We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!

 ?
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From john at linneyweb.com  Wed Mar 25 18:21:55 2020
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:21:55 -0700
Subject: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor
Message-ID: <589E11F2-2216-4F23-ADC4-6D7B6E2557D0@linneyweb.com>

I was inspired to create this video when my son decided that ?home-schooling' meant that I would be instantly on-tap for every little thing, and I could do with some social distancing of my own?

https://youtu.be/FGkFV7SRI24 <https://youtu.be/FGkFV7SRI24>

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From jpaynepbr at cox.net  Wed Mar 25 18:22:55 2020
From: jpaynepbr at cox.net (jpaynepbr at cox.net)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:22:55 -0700
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <1343513678.1424519.1585181721730@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
 <1343513678.1424519.1585181721730@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <000001d60304$b39b72f0$1ad258d0$@cox.net>

Outstanding!

 

Jonas

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Frank Fisher
Sent: Wednesday, March 25, 2020 5:15 PM
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>; andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] I must be bored.....

 

very nice

frank

 

On Wednesday, March 25, 2020, 02:05:58 PM PDT, andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> > wrote: 

 

 

I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,

But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.

If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,

But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain. 

 

Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix

Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?

The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,

Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires  - need I list any more?

 

The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,

For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.

So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,

We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!

 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Mar 25 18:24:42 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 17:24:42 -0700
Subject: [TR] did the TR7 / TR8 use a Saginaw power steering pump?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHSeBg40w0B0BxpQnhNMuryy0nqUmDU=FcrYZrHdCrA5g@mail.gmail.com>

If so, can I bench test one with a drill? rotating the shaft?

Sujit

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From pbaize at satx.rr.com  Wed Mar 25 18:55:39 2020
From: pbaize at satx.rr.com (Patrick Baize)
Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 19:55:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor
In-Reply-To: <589E11F2-2216-4F23-ADC4-6D7B6E2557D0@linneyweb.com>
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Message-ID: <b68abf66-d555-f4dd-c68b-6498b5deb66d@satx.rr.com>

Excellent

 ??? I will have my wife send it to all her students

Patrick

On 3/25/2020 7:21 PM, John Linney wrote:
> I was inspired to create this video when my son decided that 
> ?home-schooling' meant that I would be instantly on-tap for every 
> little thing, and I could do with some social distancing of my own?
>
> https://youtu.be/FGkFV7SRI24
>
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> videos.
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Mar 26 05:45:20 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:45:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor
In-Reply-To: <589E11F2-2216-4F23-ADC4-6D7B6E2557D0@linneyweb.com>
References: <589E11F2-2216-4F23-ADC4-6D7B6E2557D0@linneyweb.com>
Message-ID: <1746559918.2378409.1585223120741@mail.yahoo.com>

 If only.
;-)
Brilliant.
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 7:22 pm
Subject: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor

I was inspired to create this video when my son decided that ?home-schooling' meant that I would be instantly on-tap for every little thing, and I could do with some social distancing of my own?
https://youtu.be/FGkFV7SRI24
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Mar 26 05:48:32 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 11:48:32 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] did the TR7 / TR8 use a Saginaw power steering pump?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaHSeBg40w0B0BxpQnhNMuryy0nqUmDU=FcrYZrHdCrA5g@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaHSeBg40w0B0BxpQnhNMuryy0nqUmDU=FcrYZrHdCrA5g@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1578057005.2389988.1585223312039@mail.yahoo.com>

 1) Yes, the TR8 used the Saginaw pump.2) I dunno, never tried but I don't see why not, if you have a drill that is big enough.? Let us what happens.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 7:25 pm
Subject: [TR] did the TR7 / TR8 use a Saginaw power steering pump?

If so, can I bench test one with a drill? rotating the shaft?
Sujit

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Mar 26 06:31:11 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:31:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor
In-Reply-To: <1746559918.2378409.1585223120741@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <589E11F2-2216-4F23-ADC4-6D7B6E2557D0@linneyweb.com>
 <1746559918.2378409.1585223120741@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00e001d6036a$7029e9a0$507dbce0$@uprichard.net>

Great stuff!

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 7:45 AM
To: john at linneyweb.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor

 

If only.

 

;-)

 

Brilliant.

 

Dave 

 

 

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To: triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 7:22 pm
Subject: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor

I was inspired to create this video when my son decided that ?home-schooling' meant that I would be instantly on-tap for every little thing, and I could do with some social distancing of my own? 

 

https://youtu.be/FGkFV7SRI24

 

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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Thu Mar 26 06:35:19 2020
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 08:35:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] A little (Triumph) social distancing humor
In-Reply-To: <589E11F2-2216-4F23-ADC4-6D7B6E2557D0@linneyweb.com>
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John,

That could be my 4 but with a black vinyl top.

That is a link I will save.

Bob

On 3/25/20 8:21 PM, John Linney wrote:
> I was inspired to create this video when my son decided that 
> ?home-schooling' meant that I would be instantly on-tap for every 
> little thing, and I could do with some social distancing of my own?
>
> https://youtu.be/FGkFV7SRI24
>
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From jat1127 at hotmail.com  Thu Mar 26 06:54:20 2020
From: jat1127 at hotmail.com (j t)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 12:54:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 13, Issue 74
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Regarding TR shifter forks has anyone tried to weld them and then resurface?


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Date: Wed, 25 Mar 2020 12:16:26 -0400 (EDT)
From: asg123 at centurylink.net
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A Shifter forks
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Good day all. I am in need of Shifter Forks. Especially for the third-fourth fork. Of course they need to be in good condition, not real worn like my current forks.
Has anyone had experience with rw_auto_classics? May go with one they have unless I hear from any other source. Thanks, stay safe all! Arnold S Gilmour


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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Mar 26 11:34:47 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:34:47 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <1938541202.2614525.1585244087290@mail.yahoo.com>

 There once was a young man from MichiganWho does all the thinks that I wish I kin (can?).Though I didn't know itHe is also a poetAnd can rhyme all the words that will make us grin.
 
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....

&lt;!-- #yiv6585638041 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv6585638041 #yiv6585638041 p.yiv6585638041MsoNormal, #yiv6585638041 li.yiv6585638041MsoNormal, #yiv6585638041 div.yiv6585638041MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv6585638041 span.yiv6585638041EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} #yiv6585638041 .yiv6585638041MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv6585638041 div.yiv6585638041WordSection1 {} --&gt;I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain.  ?Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fixOh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires ?- need I list any more? ?The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !! ?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Mar 26 11:39:02 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 17:39:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <84815471.2606122.1585244342288@mail.yahoo.com>

 My Triumph don't runOh what can the problem be?I guess I don't know 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....

&lt;!-- #yiv6585638041 _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv6585638041 #yiv6585638041 p.yiv6585638041MsoNormal, #yiv6585638041 li.yiv6585638041MsoNormal, #yiv6585638041 div.yiv6585638041MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} #yiv6585638041 span.yiv6585638041EmailStyle17 {font-family:"Times New Roman", serif;color:windowtext;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} #yiv6585638041 .yiv6585638041MsoChpDefault {font-family:"Calibri", sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv6585638041 div.yiv6585638041WordSection1 {} --&gt;I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain.  ?Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fixOh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires ?- need I list any more? ?The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !! ?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Mar 26 11:49:51 2020
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (andrew uprichard)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:49:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <1938541202.2614525.1585244087290@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
 <1938541202.2614525.1585244087290@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <023101d60396$f4f76500$dee62f00$@uprichard.net>

And people think we are just a bunch of old coots who work on our cars?  If only they knew the talents just percolating under the surface???

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:35 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] I must be bored.....

 

There once was a young man from Michigan

Who does all the thinks that I wish I kin (can?).

Though I didn't know it

He is also a poet

And can rhyme all the words that will make us grin.

 

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> >
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....

I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,

But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.

If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,

But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain. 

 

Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix

Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?

The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,

Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires  - need I list any more?

 

The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,

For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.

So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,

We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!

 

** triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>  **

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Mar 26 13:01:07 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 19:01:07 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <023101d60396$f4f76500$dee62f00$@uprichard.net>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
 <1938541202.2614525.1585244087290@mail.yahoo.com>
 <023101d60396$f4f76500$dee62f00$@uprichard.net>
Message-ID: <518477173.2675692.1585249267115@mail.yahoo.com>

 You should venture out to the VTR event in September.? There's some crazy guy who plays bagpipes there.
 
Dave 

 
 
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From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 26, 2020 12:49 pm
Subject: RE: [TR] I must be bored.....

#yiv0230523735 #yiv0230523735 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv0230523735 #yiv0230523735 p.yiv0230523735MsoNormal, #yiv0230523735 li.yiv0230523735MsoNormal, #yiv0230523735 div.yiv0230523735MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv0230523735 a:link, #yiv0230523735 span.yiv0230523735MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv0230523735 span.yiv0230523735EmailStyle26 {font-family:New serif;color:#1F497D;font-weight:normal;font-style:normal;text-decoration:none none;} #yiv0230523735 .yiv0230523735MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv0230523735 div.yiv0230523735WordSection1 {} #yiv0230523735 And people think we are just a bunch of old coots who work on our cars?? If only they knew the talents just percolating under the surface??? ?From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:35 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] I must be bored..... ?There once was a young man from MichiganWho does all the thinks that I wish I kin (can?).Though I didn't know itHe is also a poetAnd can rhyme all the words that will make us grin. ? ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain. ?Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fixOh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires ?- need I list any more??The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Mar 26 14:33:10 2020
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 13:33:10 -0700
Subject: [TR] Castrol Red Rubber Grease
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGxMYhTsKkwZh25DCSMZGmwKN=U8dtzLT70r8dKy=gEhQ@mail.gmail.com>

With the shelter in place order in California, my second Stag rebuild order
is getting screwed up.
So, now I planning to work on brakes and clutch.
First the brakes.
I am planning to rebuild some rear brake cylinders and some front calipers
but don't plan to bleeding the system for some time. Can I coat the metal
part of the cylinders and rubber parts with his stuff, Castrol Red Rubber
Grease,  so rust doesn't settle in?

Are there other products worth recommending?

I'm assuming if I can use it on brakes I should be able to use it on the
clutch. Is this right?

Sujit

-- 
Sujit Roy
Cupertino, California

https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From TR3driver at ca.rr.com  Thu Mar 26 17:36:31 2020
From: TR3driver at ca.rr.com (Randall)
Date: Thu, 26 Mar 2020 16:36:31 -0700
Subject: [TR] Castrol Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGxMYhTsKkwZh25DCSMZGmwKN=U8dtzLT70r8dKy=gEhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGxMYhTsKkwZh25DCSMZGmwKN=U8dtzLT70r8dKy=gEhQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7C77A04333624D62AEDE643F85B28F6B@RYPC>

My understanding is that the red grease is only for use outside the areas
that touch brake fluid.  But you probably could use it, as long as you clean
it off thoroughly (brake cleaner solvent) before putting the parts into
service.

If you're planning on using DOT 5 silicone in the system, then I'd just coat
the parts with DOT 5.  Store where dirt and dust can't get attracted, then
clean before installation anyway.

The other alternative is to just leave them dry.  Don't make the mistake I
did (a long time ago) and try to use conventional brake fluid.  That stuff
actually promotes corrosion, rather than protecting from it!

AFAIK, should be able to use the same thing on the clutch components; on a
Triumph anyway.

-- Randall 
56 TR3 TS13571L once and future daily driver
71 Stag LE1473 - awaiting engine rebuild
71-2-3 Stag - awaiting gearbox rebuild 

> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On 
> Behalf Of Sujit Roy
> Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:33 PM
> To: Triumphs
> Subject: [TR] Castrol Red Rubber Grease
> 
> With the shelter in place order in California, my second Stag 
> rebuild order is getting screwed up. 
> So, now I planning to work on brakes and clutch. 
> First the brakes. 
> I am planning to rebuild some rear brake cylinders and some 
> front calipers but don't plan to bleeding the system for some 
> time. Can I coat the metal part of the cylinders and rubber 
> parts with his stuff, Castrol Red Rubber Grease,  so rust 
> doesn't settle in?
> 
> Are there other products worth recommending?
> 
> I'm assuming if I can use it on brakes I should be able to 
> use it on the clutch. Is this right?
> 
> Sujit
> 
> 
> -- 
> 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
> 
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
> 
> 
> 


From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Mar 27 09:08:41 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 10:08:41 -0500
Subject: [TR] totally off topic
Message-ID: <005001d60449$9a5a2110$cf0e6330$@ranteer.com>

There is a grave in Paris, TX, with this marker.  Its known locally as
"Cowboy Jesus" for obvious reasons

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 09:14:39 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:14:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] totally off topic
In-Reply-To: <005001d60449$9a5a2110$cf0e6330$@ranteer.com>
References: <005001d60449$9a5a2110$cf0e6330$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwhsjrKEeJjb=ih1hsipaRKzbN6s0GdU7x4zSS=0NWmhjg@mail.gmail.com>

Dave;

The artist, apparently, doesn't know what sandals of the ancient world
looked like!

David


On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:10 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> There is a grave in Paris, TX, with this marker.  Its known locally as
> ?Cowboy Jesus? for obvious reasons
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From lherault at verizon.net  Fri Mar 27 09:44:47 2020
From: lherault at verizon.net (Ron L'Herault)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:44:47 -0400
Subject: [TR] History of repairs
References: <002b01d6044e$a5a4f5e0$f0eee1a0$.ref@net>
Message-ID: <002b01d6044e$a5a4f5e0$f0eee1a0$@net>

I was going through some stuff in my basement when I came across a pile of
repair receipts from when I bought a 1971 TR-6, brand new off the lot. In
January of '72 it went in for its 1000 mile service/check up.  It cost me
$16.70.   They fixed a non-functioning courtesy light and replaced a snap
that was missing from the passenger side door, adjusted the hard to pull
hood latch and addressed a noise in the speedometer I described as a buzzing
sound.   

 

In June of '72 it was back to the dealer for the 9K mile service.  They
aligned the front end ($26.00), checked white deposit on battery, did oil
and filter, balanced wheels and sanded and adjusted the brakes.  Total was
$51.74.  In September of 1972 they replaced the battery.

 

Want more tales of new Triumph dealer maintenance?

 

Ron L

 

 

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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Mar 27 09:54:56 2020
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 11:54:56 -0400
Subject: [TR] History of repairs
In-Reply-To: <002b01d6044e$a5a4f5e0$f0eee1a0$@net>
References: <002b01d6044e$a5a4f5e0$f0eee1a0$.ref@net>
 <002b01d6044e$a5a4f5e0$f0eee1a0$@net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwjQqJvgp-3afsNe-1j07GL23b2BBBmEJ+nKBktjYYBmkA@mail.gmail.com>

Wow! Here we are, about 50 years later.... move the decimal point
over one place, please....  :- )

David

On Fri, Mar 27, 2020 at 11:45 AM Ron L'Herault <lherault at verizon.net> wrote:

> I was going through some stuff in my basement when I came across a pile of
> repair receipts from when I bought a 1971 TR-6, brand new off the lot. In
> January of ?72 it went in for its 1000 mile service/check up.  It cost me
> $16.70.   They fixed a non-functioning courtesy light and replaced a snap
> that was missing from the passenger side door, adjusted the hard to pull
> hood latch and addressed a noise in the speedometer I described as a
> buzzing sound.
>
>
>
> In June of ?72 it was back to the dealer for the 9K mile service.  They
> aligned the front end ($26.00), checked white deposit on battery, did oil
> and filter, balanced wheels and sanded and adjusted the brakes.  Total was
> $51.74.  In September of 1972 they replaced the battery.
>
>
>
> Want more tales of new Triumph dealer maintenance?
>
>
>
> Ron L
>
>
>
>
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Mar 27 17:58:25 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 19:58:25 -0400
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <518477173.2675692.1585249267115@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
 <1938541202.2614525.1585244087290@mail.yahoo.com>
 <023101d60396$f4f76500$dee62f00$@uprichard.net>
 <518477173.2675692.1585249267115@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00a401d60493$9b227a80$d1676f80$@bell.net>

Yeah, you are right, he does seem a bit crazy ? but harmless ? But, the most important part, he plays a mean set of bagpipes. I have heard him at TRF?s Summer Party and he rocks the show car display. Be sure to get his autograph between sets, and don?t check under his skirt ?

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: March 26, 2020 3:01 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] I must be bored.....

 

You should venture out to the VTR event in September.  There's some crazy guy who plays bagpipes there.

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> >
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> >; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Thu, Mar 26, 2020 12:49 pm
Subject: RE: [TR] I must be bored.....

And people think we are just a bunch of old coots who work on our cars?  If only they knew the talents just percolating under the surface???

 

From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com <mailto:dave1massey at cs.com> > 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:35 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> ; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: Re: [TR] I must be bored.....

 

There once was a young man from Michigan

Who does all the thinks that I wish I kin (can?).

Though I didn't know it

He is also a poet

And can rhyme all the words that will make us grin.

 

 

Dave 

 

 

-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> >
To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> >
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....

I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,

But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.

If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,

But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain. 

 

Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fix

Oh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?

The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,

Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires  - need I list any more?

 

The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,

For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.

So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,

We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!

 

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Fri Mar 27 18:03:46 2020
From: keithstewart at bell.net (Keith Stewart)
Date: Fri, 27 Mar 2020 20:03:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] Castrol Red Rubber Grease
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGxMYhTsKkwZh25DCSMZGmwKN=U8dtzLT70r8dKy=gEhQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGxMYhTsKkwZh25DCSMZGmwKN=U8dtzLT70r8dKy=gEhQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Can you get them from Moss? east coast depot? I know some of the Canadian vendors have switched from the CA depot to the east coast one in order to keep their supplies coming.

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> 
Sent: March 26, 2020 4:33 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Castrol Red Rubber Grease

 

With the shelter in place order in California, my second Stag rebuild order is getting screwed up. 

So, now I planning to work on brakes and clutch. 

First the brakes. 

I am planning to rebuild some rear brake cylinders and some front calipers but don't plan to bleeding the system for some time. Can I coat the metal part of the cylinders and rubber parts with his stuff, Castrol Red Rubber Grease,  so rust doesn't settle in?

 

Are there other products worth recommending?

 

I'm assuming if I can use it on brakes I should be able to use it on the clutch. Is this right?

 

Sujit


 

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Mar 27 19:07:46 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 01:07:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....
In-Reply-To: <00a401d60493$9b227a80$d1676f80$@bell.net>
References: <01fe01d602e9$260fe620$722fb260$@uprichard.net>
 <1938541202.2614525.1585244087290@mail.yahoo.com>
 <023101d60396$f4f76500$dee62f00$@uprichard.net>
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 Um, thanks.
 
Dave 


 

Wait a minute!? What do you mean harmless?
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Keith Stewart <keithstewart at bell.net>
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com>; auprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Fri, Mar 27, 2020 6:58 pm
Subject: RE: [TR] I must be bored.....

#yiv7275314665 #yiv7275314665 -- _filtered {} _filtered {} _filtered {} #yiv7275314665 #yiv7275314665 p.yiv7275314665MsoNormal, #yiv7275314665 li.yiv7275314665MsoNormal, #yiv7275314665 div.yiv7275314665MsoNormal {margin:0in;margin-bottom:.0001pt;font-size:11.0pt;font-family:sans-serif;} #yiv7275314665 a:link, #yiv7275314665 span.yiv7275314665MsoHyperlink {color:blue;text-decoration:underline;} #yiv7275314665 span.yiv7275314665EmailStyle28 {font-family:sans-serif;color:windowtext;} #yiv7275314665 .yiv7275314665MsoChpDefault {font-family:sans-serif;} _filtered {} #yiv7275314665 div.yiv7275314665WordSection1 {} #yiv7275314665 Yeah, you are right, he does seem a bit crazy ? but harmless ? But, the most important part, he plays a mean set of bagpipes. I have heard him at TRF?s Summer Party and he rocks the show car display. Be sure to get his autograph between sets, and don?t check under his skirt ? ? ?Keith Stewartkeithstewart at bell.net ? ? ?From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: March 26, 2020 3:01 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] I must be bored..... ?You should venture out to the VTR event in September.? There's some crazy guy who plays bagpipes there. ?Dave  ? ?-----Original Message-----
From: andrew uprichard <auprichard at uprichard.net>
To: 'DAVID MASSEY' <dave1massey at cs.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Mar 26, 2020 12:49 pm
Subject: RE: [TR] I must be bored.....And people think we are just a bunch of old coots who work on our cars?? If only they knew the talents just percolating under the surface????From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> 
Sent: Thursday, March 26, 2020 1:35 PM
To: auprichard at uprichard.net; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] I must be bored.....?There once was a young man from MichiganWho does all the thinks that I wish I kin (can?).Though I didn't know itHe is also a poetAnd can rhyme all the words that will make us grin.??Dave ??-----Original Message-----
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To: 'triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 25, 2020 4:05 pm
Subject: [TR] I must be bored.....I don?t have Coronavirus, in fact I?m feeling quite good,But I?m doing what Governor Whitmer said, like any citizen should.If I didn?t have all of those Triumphs, I?d be bored right out of my brain,But as any TR owner will tell you, there are always things to maintain. ?Leaks and squeaks and rattles ? now is the time to fixOh ? and while you are at it - what about the knocks and the clicks?The lights that don?t work, the fuses that blew and the oil all over the floor,Broken cables and wires, rough idles, misfires ?- need I list any more??The joys of owning a Triumph go way beyond the drive,For it takes just so many hours to keep our cars alive.So while others are fighting with loved ones, cooped up in self-isolation,We are out in our garages working to maintain the TR sensation !!?** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From tedtsimx at bright.net  Sat Mar 28 08:58:49 2020
From: tedtsimx at bright.net (Ted Schumacher)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 10:58:49 -0400
Subject: [TR] WE ARE OPEN
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 ?? ??? ??? ??? ??? ? We're open and shipping!?

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about new wheel bearing kits. Time to replace or upgrade suspension 
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Keep the family and yourself well. Then improve your car's "health". Get 
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From dmericas at gmail.com  Sat Mar 28 18:22:33 2020
From: dmericas at gmail.com (Dean Mericas)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 19:22:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
Message-ID: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>

I?m resealing the engine and transmission on my TR4 after 20 years of reliable service. 

Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts. 

Plan B is to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces and use Permatex Ultra Gray, which I?ve generally had good luck with on my Alfa Romeos. 

Before I do that, I wanted to see if any of you can recommend other sealants for this purpose. I only want to do it one more time. 

Thanks. 

Dean
1965 TR-4
Sent from my iPad

From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Mar 28 21:01:35 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 28 Mar 2020 23:01:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
References: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <edf3b2d4-580b-4002-ec78-821e596a21fd@verizon.net>

personally I don't even use a gasket anymore.

Layout a piece of wax paper stretched tight and flat, preferably on a 
glass top surface (super flat)

After a REALLY good cleaning of (and flattening etc) of the gasket surface.

Apply a wide, thick bead of silicone to the pan.

Place the pan bead side down on the wax paper. Do not press it down, 
other than to get the bead the fill the width of the pan lip.
I place tooth picks at a tangent across the outer corners to stop the 
weight of the pan from completely squishing out (thinning) the silicon 
bead.? Let it dry. Let it dry WELL!? You can trim off any 'blowout' 
after it dries.

The wax paper will readily peel away, leaving a super flat surface to 
mate to the bottom of the engine block, leaving a semi-permanent 
silicone gasket attached to the pan. Cleanup your bolt holes as needed. 
You won't need to torque down the pan much either to get a good seal.

I've been doing this on my pans as well as rocker covers for years. My 
rocker cover has been off at least 15 times and I've never needed to 
attend to the embedded gasket other than to wipe it down and apply a new 
thin smear of Blue Hylomar before re-installation.

jfft?? tmmv

ptegler


On 3/28/2020 8:22 PM, Dean Mericas wrote:
> I?m resealing the engine and transmission on my TR4 after 20 years of reliable service.
>
> Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts.
>
> Plan B is to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces and use Permatex Ultra Gray, which I?ve generally had good luck with on my Alfa Romeos.
>
> Before I do that, I wanted to see if any of you can recommend other sealants for this purpose. I only want to do it one more time.
>
> Thanks.
>
> Dean
> 1965 TR-4
> Sent from my iPad
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Sun Mar 29 04:54:57 2020
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 06:54:57 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
References: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000301d605b8$7d00bcd0$77023670$@charter.net>

I have used Permatex Ultra Black on a number of occasions and have had good luck. Disassembly of items cemented together with this product can be challenging, though. Maybe I should try the "ultra-gray". I find things work best if you can insert a couple of studs into the larger half of whatever is being assembled so that the attached item goes on straight, without any sideways movement. I have found that large gaskets for tractor transmission castings have gotten really expensive ($50 plus) and then sometimes they either come damaged from shipping, crack & break when being installed, or holes don't line up properly for bolts. As a result, I tend to use the "gasket-in-a-tube" approach more than ever. Sometimes I find it challenging to decide what product to buy - there are so many.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dean Mericas
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:23 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump

I?m resealing the engine and transmission on my TR4 after 20 years of reliable service. 

Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts. 

Plan B is to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces and use Permatex Ultra Gray, which I?ve generally had good luck with on my Alfa Romeos. 

Before I do that, I wanted to see if any of you can recommend other sealants for this purpose. I only want to do it one more time. 

Thanks. 

Dean
1965 TR-4
Sent from my iPad
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Mar 29 05:49:46 2020
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:49:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <edf3b2d4-580b-4002-ec78-821e596a21fd@verizon.net>
References: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
 <edf3b2d4-580b-4002-ec78-821e596a21fd@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <d2139bf9-89cc-3de1-e894-3b18cf87cf89@verizon.net>


On 3/28/2020 11:01 PM, Paul Tegler wrote:
> personally I don't even use a gasket anymore.
>
> Layout a piece of wax paper stretched tight and flat, preferably on a 
> glass top surface (super flat)
>
> After a REALLY good cleaning of (and flattening etc) of the gasket 
> surface.
>
> Apply a wide, thick bead of silicone to the pan.
>
> Place the pan bead side down on the wax paper. Do not press it down, 
> other than to get the bead the fill the width of the pan lip.
> I place tooth picks at a tangent across the outer corners to stop the 
> weight of the pan from completely squishing out (thinning) the silicon 
> bead.?? Let it dry. Let it dry WELL!?? You can trim off any 'blowout' 
> after it dries.
>
> The wax paper will readily peel away, leaving a super flat surface to 
> mate to the bottom of the engine block, leaving a semi-permanent 
> silicone gasket attached to the pan. Cleanup your bolt holes as 
> needed. You won't need to torque down the pan much either to get a 
> good seal.
>
> I've been doing this on my pans as well as rocker covers for years. My 
> rocker cover has been off at least 15 times and I've never needed to 
> attend to the embedded gasket other than to wipe it down and apply a 
> new thin smear of Blue Hylomar before re-installation.
>
> jfft???? tmmv
>
> ptegler
>
>
> On 3/28/2020 8:22 PM, Dean Mericas wrote:
>> I???m resealing the engine and transmission on my TR4 after 20 years of 
>> reliable service.
>>
>> Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using 
>> Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the 
>> point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts.
>>
>> Plan B is to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces and use Permatex 
>> Ultra Gray, which I???ve generally had good luck with on my Alfa Romeos.
>>
>> Before I do that, I wanted to see if any of you can recommend other 
>> sealants for this purpose. I only want to do it one more time.
>>
>> Thanks.
>>
>> Dean
>> 1965 TR-4
>> Sent from my iPad
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>
>> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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>> http://autox.team.net/mailman/options/triumphs/ptegler at verizon.net
>
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Sun Mar 29 06:23:39 2020
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:23:39 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
References: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMFxouHqvGuejn_B9Jx_MKRpD-OvXStxkA_6HEa=wjjwQ@mail.gmail.com>

On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com> wrote:

>
> Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte
> Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it
> tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts.
>

This doesn't sound like a sealant problem...  It's made to be a gasket
dressing.  How could it weaken a gasket, especially a stout one like a sump
gasket?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Mar 29 06:33:22 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:33:22 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <000301d605b8$7d00bcd0$77023670$@charter.net>
References: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
 <000301d605b8$7d00bcd0$77023670$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <623472206.359988.1585485202980@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have seen applications of RTV go bad.? One was when it was used in place of a proper gasket for the fuel sender on my TR3.? When it was clamped down RTV icicles oozed out into the tank.?? One problem is that? I know of  no RTV that is rated for exposure to gasoline but the other problem is there was an RTV-cicle that softened, broke loose and found its way into the fuel system blocking the flow of fuel resulting in a tow home.? This scenario in an engine crankcase is scary.? Creating a lubrication blockage can result in bearing failure.
None-the-less, I use the Blue stuff on waterpumps and other cooling system parts as just about any RTV has no issues with water.? But I use a trick I once read many years ago where I loosely assemble the parts taking up any slack but leaving the bolts or nuts snug but not tight so as to not force the sealant to flow.? Then I wait 15 - 30 minutes to allow the RTV to start to set.? Once it is partially set it will not flow and the part can be torqued down without fear of RTV-cicles.
If you are going to use Ultra Gray, which looks like an excellent choice for this application, I recommend this technique.
?But I prefer to use Form-A-Gasket #2 on one side of the gasket to more or less permanently adhere it to once surface and , like Tim, Hylomar on the other surface to allow for easy removal down the line.
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
To: 'Dean Mericas' <dmericas at gmail.com>; triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 29, 2020 5:56 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump

I have used Permatex Ultra Black on a number of occasions and have had good luck. Disassembly of items cemented together with this product can be challenging, though. Maybe I should try the "ultra-gray". I find things work best if you can insert a couple of studs into the larger half of whatever is being assembled so that the attached item goes on straight, without any sideways movement. I have found that large gaskets for tractor transmission castings have gotten really expensive ($50 plus) and then sometimes they either come damaged from shipping, crack & break when being installed, or holes don't line up properly for bolts. As a result, I tend to use the "gasket-in-a-tube" approach more than ever. Sometimes I find it challenging to decide what product to buy - there are so many.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dean Mericas
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:23 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump

I?m resealing the engine and transmission on my TR4 after 20 years of reliable service. 

Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts. 

Plan B is to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces and use Permatex Ultra Gray, which I?ve generally had good luck with on my Alfa Romeos. 

Before I do that, I wanted to see if any of you can recommend other sealants for this purpose. I only want to do it one more time. 

Thanks. 

Dean
1965 TR-4
Sent from my iPad
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Mar 29 06:42:55 2020
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 12:42:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
References: <256848901.351749.1585485775162.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <256848901.351749.1585485775162@mail.yahoo.com>

 That's a good point.? It is likely due to over-torquing the bolts.? The stamped steel oil pans deform easily and torquing the bolts too much will pinch the gasket to the point that it will tear.? Do the Alpha's have cast sumps?? Cast sumps do a much better job of distributing the pressure across the length of the span between bolts.? They are much more tolerant of this sort of misapplication.? 

If the gasket it adhered to one surface or the other (either the block or the pan) it will be reinforced and much less likely to fail in this manner.? Using Ultra Gray and my two-step tightening procedure should do the trick as would using Form-A-Gasket #2 on one side and the two-step procedure again.
 
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sun, Mar 29, 2020 7:28 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump



On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com> wrote:


Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts. 


This doesn't sound like a sealant problem...? It's made to be a gasket dressing.? How could it weaken a gasket, especially a stout one like a sump gasket??** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 29 07:03:03 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:03:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CMFxouHqvGuejn_B9Jx_MKRpD-OvXStxkA_6HEa=wjjwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I just did this a couple months ago and asked the same question, perhaps the thread will be in the archives.  Lots of answers, almost like asking for an oil recommendation.  

After carefully checking all the holes for any bulging, assuming you have a steel sump.  I used Permatex Ultra Black RTV between the sump and the gasket and Permatex Aviation (the gooey brown stuff) between the gasket and the block.  Drop free as of this writing.  

Biil

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Mar 29, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

?


> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts. 

This doesn't sound like a sealant problem...  It's made to be a gasket dressing.  How could it weaken a gasket, especially a stout one like a sump gasket? 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 29 07:03:03 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:03:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CMFxouHqvGuejn_B9Jx_MKRpD-OvXStxkA_6HEa=wjjwQ@mail.gmail.com>
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I just did this a couple months ago and asked the same question, perhaps the thread will be in the archives.  Lots of answers, almost like asking for an oil recommendation.  

After carefully checking all the holes for any bulging, assuming you have a steel sump.  I used Permatex Ultra Black RTV between the sump and the gasket and Permatex Aviation (the gooey brown stuff) between the gasket and the block.  Drop free as of this writing.  

Biil

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Mar 29, 2020, at 7:39 AM, Jeff Scarbrough <fishplate at gmail.com> wrote:

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> On Sat, Mar 28, 2020 at 8:22 PM Dean Mericas <dmericas at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts. 

This doesn't sound like a sealant problem...  It's made to be a gasket dressing.  How could it weaken a gasket, especially a stout one like a sump gasket? 
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Mar 29 07:06:23 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:06:23 -0600
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
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I've not turned a wrench for quite some time, so not sure of the stuff I 
will recommend is still made or has been replaced by newer 
formulations.? I started using Permatex The Right Stuff as sump and 
valve cover 'gaskets' that sealed well and were reusable.

First off, spend some time making sure the block mating surface is 
FLAT.? Usually people overtighten the pan bolts, and the flange warps 
around the bolt hole, leaving little dimples like?? ___/ \___ ? I use an 
auto body hammer to tap these down, hitting against a piece of steel rod 
with a flat end. Easy enough to make one of a proper size if you have a 
lathe in your garage and know how to use it.? Otherwise a file taken to 
the end of an appropriate sized bolt will suffice as a suitable anvil.? 
An awkward and time consuming procedure, but if done right it only needs 
to be done once during the time you own the car.? And don't overtighten 
the bolts!? This is a case where more is NOT better. If it leaks and you 
tighten the bolts more it will leak even worse.

Once the mating surface is flat and clean, do as Paul T. described with 
the appropriate goo.

mjb.



From terryrs at comcast.net  Sun Mar 29 07:36:32 2020
From: terryrs at comcast.net (TERRY SMITH)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 09:36:32 -0400 (EDT)
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
In-Reply-To: <73f97559-079d-1228-9575-3ffc7e86d63f@bradakis.com>
References: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
 <73f97559-079d-1228-9575-3ffc7e86d63f@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <628302450.11580.1585488993150@connect.xfinity.com>

Ditto on Mark's cure for dimpled pan holes.  Only would add that I used a small ball peen hammer on the side with the rib and another hammer on the other side.  Tapped gently but firmly.  

Also ditto on The Right Stuff.  Used it for my TR3 rebuilds and this month for a tractor rebuild.  Works great.

Terry Smith, '59 TR3A
New Hampshire


> On March 29, 2020 at 9:06 AM Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:
> 
> 
> I've not turned a wrench for quite some time, so not sure of the stuff I 
> will recommend is still made or has been replaced by newer 
> formulations.? I started using Permatex The Right Stuff as sump and 
> valve cover 'gaskets' that sealed well and were reusable.
> 
> First off, spend some time making sure the block mating surface is 
> FLAT.? Usually people overtighten the pan bolts, and the flange warps 
> around the bolt hole, leaving little dimples like?? ___/ \___ ? I use an 
> auto body hammer to tap these down, hitting against a piece of steel rod 
> with a flat end. Easy enough to make one of a proper size if you have a 
> lathe in your garage and know how to use it.? Otherwise a file taken to 
> the end of an appropriate sized bolt will suffice as a suitable anvil.? 
> An awkward and time consuming procedure, but if done right it only needs 
> to be done once during the time you own the car.? And don't overtighten 
> the bolts!? This is a case where more is NOT better. If it leaks and you 
> tighten the bolts more it will leak even worse.
> 
> Once the mating surface is flat and clean, do as Paul T. described with 
> the appropriate goo.
> 
> mjb.
> 
> 
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From hakhutch at roadrunner.com  Sun Mar 29 05:43:23 2020
From: hakhutch at roadrunner.com (Tim Hutchisen)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 07:43:23 -0400
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump
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References: <7EC9C962-90BC-464A-A416-0179A3400CBC@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <005701d605bf$426d2570$c7477050$@roadrunner.com>

Sorry Dean,
I replied to another post by mistake. Not enough coffee yet this morning and my fingers are not up to working speed.

 I have used Hylomar M many times for oil sump gaskets. I have tried a lot of other products but found that Mylomar M is the best for a good seal and the ability to disassemble further down the road. 
Tim Hutchisen
Penn Ridge Motors
Norway, ME 


-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dean Mericas
Sent: Saturday, March 28, 2020 8:23 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Gasket sealant for sump

I?m resealing the engine and transmission on my TR4 after 20 years of reliable service. 

Today I had a massive failure installing the sump gasket using Hylotyte Red100 sealant. It seems to have weakened the gasket to the point that it tore around several bolt holes as I torqued the bolts. 

Plan B is to thoroughly clean the mating surfaces and use Permatex Ultra Gray, which I?ve generally had good luck with on my Alfa Romeos. 

Before I do that, I wanted to see if any of you can recommend other sealants for this purpose. I only want to do it one more time. 

Thanks. 

Dean
1965 TR-4
Sent from my iPad
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Mar 29 08:52:46 2020
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 08:52:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] Some list admin comments
Message-ID: <b939fc9d-c741-16a2-ca26-d63f32fc4422@bradakis.com>

The sump gasket thread brought up a couple of issues. First off, I am 
not sure why some addresses, usually AOL based, send out two copies of a 
reply to the list. Don't know if it some bogus setting, operator error, 
bad software or what. Certainly not a big deal.


Secondly:

"I just did this a couple months ago and asked the same question, 
perhaps the thread will be in the archives."

I discovered a while back there is a problem with the search function of 
the archives.? Messages are indeed getting added to the archives [ link 
below for real time, near top for digest ] but the search function 
apparently quit adding new messages to the database some years ago.? 
This is, at least to me, a serious problem.? The Team Net email archives 
are an incredible source of information collected over the decades, I 
would like them to be as useful as possible.? Broken searching is not 
useful.

Maybe when I retire in a while I'll have more time to wade through the 
twisty little maze of old. unsupported, outdated software that is behind 
the archives, figure out the problem and get things to where they should 
be.? I'll poke around some before then, not sure how long it may take.

I'm not getting any younger, will be hitting 66 years old in a couple 
weeks, Team Net will be 29 on the same day, so retirement may be just 
around the corner.? We shall see.

But at least for now I will make sure the basic list functions keep on 
keepin' on, as more folks are sitting at home looking for ways to 
entertain, amuse and educate themselves.

Stay healthy, friends.

mjb.



From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 29 09:15:29 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:15:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Some list admin comments
In-Reply-To: <b939fc9d-c741-16a2-ca26-d63f32fc4422@bradakis.com>
References: <b939fc9d-c741-16a2-ca26-d63f32fc4422@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <3FD69E63-7F8E-4A91-8745-E44338A767F7@yahoo.com>

Mark,
Thanks for the update, which reminds me it?s been while since a kicked a few bucks towards the Fat Chance Garage and Email Hosting Service.  

Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:52 AM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

?The sump gasket thread brought up a couple of issues. First off, I am not sure why some addresses, usually AOL based, send out two copies of a reply to the list. Don't know if it some bogus setting, operator error, bad software or what. Certainly not a big deal.


Secondly:

"I just did this a couple months ago and asked the same question, perhaps the thread will be in the archives."

I discovered a while back there is a problem with the search function of the archives.  Messages are indeed getting added to the archives [ link below for real time, near top for digest ] but the search function apparently quit adding new messages to the database some years ago.  This is, at least to me, a serious problem.  The Team Net email archives are an incredible source of information collected over the decades, I would like them to be as useful as possible.  Broken searching is not useful.

Maybe when I retire in a while I'll have more time to wade through the twisty little maze of old. unsupported, outdated software that is behind the archives, figure out the problem and get things to where they should be.  I'll poke around some before then, not sure how long it may take.

I'm not getting any younger, will be hitting 66 years old in a couple weeks, Team Net will be 29 on the same day, so retirement may be just around the corner.  We shall see.

But at least for now I will make sure the basic list functions keep on keepin' on, as more folks are sitting at home looking for ways to entertain, amuse and educate themselves.

Stay healthy, friends.

mjb.


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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Mar 29 09:15:29 2020
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 29 Mar 2020 10:15:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Some list admin comments
In-Reply-To: <b939fc9d-c741-16a2-ca26-d63f32fc4422@bradakis.com>
References: <b939fc9d-c741-16a2-ca26-d63f32fc4422@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <3FD69E63-7F8E-4A91-8745-E44338A767F7@yahoo.com>

Mark,
Thanks for the update, which reminds me it?s been while since a kicked a few bucks towards the Fat Chance Garage and Email Hosting Service.  

Bill

?Cactus Jack drinks coffee black......? M.Murphy

On Mar 29, 2020, at 9:52 AM, Mark J Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

?The sump gasket thread brought up a couple of issues. First off, I am not sure why some addresses, usually AOL based, send out two copies of a reply to the list. Don't know if it some bogus setting, operator error, bad software or what. Certainly not a big deal.


Secondly:

"I just did this a couple months ago and asked the same question, perhaps the thread will be in the archives."

I discovered a while back there is a problem with the search function of the archives.  Messages are indeed getting added to the archives [ link below for real time, near top for digest ] but the search function apparently quit adding new messages to the database some years ago.  This is, at least to me, a serious problem.  The Team Net email archives are an incredible source of information collected over the decades, I would like them to be as useful as possible.  Broken searching is not useful.

Maybe when I retire in a while I'll have more time to wade through the twisty little maze of old. unsupported, outdated software that is behind the archives, figure out the problem and get things to where they should be.  I'll poke around some before then, not sure how long it may take.

I'm not getting any younger, will be hitting 66 years old in a couple weeks, Team Net will be 29 on the same day, so retirement may be just around the corner.  We shall see.

But at least for now I will make sure the basic list functions keep on keepin' on, as more folks are sitting at home looking for ways to entertain, amuse and educate themselves.

Stay healthy, friends.

mjb.


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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Mar 31 19:27:07 2020
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 20:27:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 windshield to window seal
Message-ID: <000001d607c4$a90882a0$fb1987e0$@ranteer.com>

In the moss catalog #76 680-475 seal upper a post for TR 250 - is that what
I need to seal the wind up window to the windshield?

 

https://mossmotors.com/seal-a-post-short

 

 

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Tue Mar 31 22:37:30 2020
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian Kemp)
Date: Tue, 31 Mar 2020 21:37:30 -0700 (GMT-07:00)
Subject: [TR] TR4 windshield to window seal
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