From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Fri Jan  1 17:26:41 2021
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 16:26:41 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4 Windshield Install
Message-ID: <CAJaD1DOoHyT4JT6od6dD1_KFW8aMDPf1neYxMuFsrpqo4rcn3Q@mail.gmail.com>

It's been a while since I've come to the list for help, but this has me
almost beaten.

I purchased a new windshield and gasket from VB on their final pre-Moss day
as I had a gift card that would have become useless the day after
I've spent the last few hours trying to fit the gasket on the glass,
supposedly the easiest part of the job. Not for me!   I'm 99% sure I have
the gasket oriented correctly and the thing simply does not rest snugly in
place, but rather is loose at both ends.  The last time I did this job was
on the Stag, and the rubber settled in very nicely around the glass. (
Setting the windshield back in place was another story. )

Has anyone had this problem with VB windshield kits?  Should I call it
another bad buy and try anew with one from TRF?

Thanks for your input, and Happy New Year.

John Howard


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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Fri Jan  1 18:35:36 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Fri, 1 Jan 2021 19:35:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4 Windshield Install
In-Reply-To: <CAJaD1DOoHyT4JT6od6dD1_KFW8aMDPf1neYxMuFsrpqo4rcn3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJaD1DOoHyT4JT6od6dD1_KFW8aMDPf1neYxMuFsrpqo4rcn3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <FB662EF6-E55B-4288-9C4C-921324E236C9@yahoo.com>

I remember my TR3 windscreen giving me fits, I carried it to a local auto glass shop they did the install for a minimal amount.  
Bill B
TS30800L 

#dontkillgrandma

On Jan 1, 2021, at 6:27 PM, Lee&John Howard <leejohn7 at gmail.com> wrote:

?
It's been a while since I've come to the list for help, but this has me almost beaten.

I purchased a new windshield and gasket from VB on their final pre-Moss day as I had a gift card that would have become useless the day after
I've spent the last few hours trying to fit the gasket on the glass, supposedly the easiest part of the job. Not for me!   I'm 99% sure I have the gasket oriented correctly and the thing simply does not rest snugly in place, but rather is loose at both ends.  The last time I did this job was on the Stag, and the rubber settled in very nicely around the glass. ( Setting the windshield back in place was another story. )

Has anyone had this problem with VB windshield kits?  Should I call it another bad buy and try anew with one from TRF?

Thanks for your input, and Happy New Year.

John Howard


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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Jan  2 06:37:51 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 08:37:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4 Windshield Install
In-Reply-To: <CAJaD1DOoHyT4JT6od6dD1_KFW8aMDPf1neYxMuFsrpqo4rcn3Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJaD1DOoHyT4JT6od6dD1_KFW8aMDPf1neYxMuFsrpqo4rcn3Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2e09be88-259b-330e-6578-4ac2219c3d65@adelphia.net>

John,

When it came time for my 4 glass mount, I mounted the frame on a 2x4 and 
took it, the glass, gasket and the chrome piece down to my local auto 
glass shop. 2 hours later I had the unit completed and ready to remount 
to the body. I did the same thing with the 6 years later. Cost will 
depend on the hourly labor charge but worth it in my opinion.

My as well replace the lower gasket while the frame is off as well.

Bob

On 1/1/21 7:26 PM, Lee&John Howard wrote:
> It's been a while since I've come to the list for help, but this has 
> me almost beaten.
>
> I purchased a new windshield and gasket from VB on their final 
> pre-Moss day as I had a gift card that would have become useless the 
> day after
> I've spent the last few hours trying to fit the gasket on the glass, 
> supposedly the easiest part of the job. Not for me!?? I'm 99% sure I 
> have the gasket oriented correctly and the thing simply does not rest 
> snugly in place, but rather is loose at both ends.? The last time I 
> did this job was on the Stag, and the rubber settled in very nicely 
> around the glass. ( Setting the windshield back in place was another 
> story. )
>
> Has anyone had this problem with VB windshield kits? Should I call it 
> another bad buy and try anew with one from TRF?
>
> Thanks for your input, and Happy New Year.
>
> John Howard
>
>
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sat Jan  2 17:15:25 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sat, 2 Jan 2021 16:15:25 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4 Windshield Install
References: <01cd1efb-afe4-d2fb-cd38-262440b1d9c0.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <01cd1efb-afe4-d2fb-cd38-262440b1d9c0@att.net>

All the TR4 windshield mounting rubbers I have used required a bit of 
stretching to get over the corners of the glass.? That did not stop the 
seal from being a bit bowed along the vertical edges.? I would say that 
if the corners are loose then you have the incorrect mounting rubber.

A Herald uses the same type of seal but the windshield is about two 
inches taller so the seal is about four inches longer.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 16:47:31 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 18:47:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr4a parts need
Message-ID: <4DB7D601-7270-41A3-B982-67EB2D1A8E74@gmail.com>

Looking for good used rear fenders, trunk lid, for TR4 or 4a.  Hoping in the southeast as I am in Florida and really don?t want to ship.  But open to offers.  Thanks.
Jim Henningsen 
Ocala, FL


From leejohn7 at gmail.com  Sun Jan  3 17:18:42 2021
From: leejohn7 at gmail.com (Lee&John Howard)
Date: Sun, 3 Jan 2021 16:18:42 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 2
In-Reply-To: <mailman.4.1609700402.16624.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.4.1609700402.16624.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAJaD1DPZYaW42wg32mFP3nfJL6GJ5m48tofrBaSSmzCky8oSAw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all who responded to my windshield question.

Ed - my seal is stretched around the corners but very slack top and bottom,
as well as being bowed at the ends. I don't see how I can set it down on
the pinch with it flopping that way.
The packaging for the seal says Uroparts 913442, which comes up on Amazon
as meant for a TR4, but is no longer available on the Europarts site itself.
I'll talk to Moss tomorrow and see where they source their seals.
john

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> Subject: [TR] TR4 Windshield Install
> All the TR4 windshield mounting rubbers I have used required a bit of
> stretching to get over the corners of the glass.  That did not stop the
> seal from being a bit bowed along the vertical edges.  I would say that
> if the corners are loose then you have the incorrect mounting rubber.
>
> A Herald uses the same type of seal but the windshield is about two
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From timipurdy at citlink.net  Sun Jan  3 17:22:08 2021
From: timipurdy at citlink.net (EMAIL VALIDATION)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 00:22:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4 Part (1964)
References: <1130852597.1280633.1609719728924.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1130852597.1280633.1609719728924@mail.yahoo.com>

I am looking for an original cover for the fuse box. I just need the cover.I bought a complete replacement from Moss,?but it does not function like the old one.
Any suggestions?
Tim PurdySusanville, CA

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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan  4 14:24:59 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 15:24:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 1:43 scale on ebay
Message-ID: <000501d6e2e0$0e707110$2b515330$@ranteer.com>

https://www.ebay.com/itm/284136455120

 

just noticed this

 

 

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From HDRider570 at att.net  Mon Jan  4 14:34:46 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 13:34:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] ref: TR4 Windshield Install
References: <077b9188-7601-c954-f561-a09f6d2ae4ef.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <077b9188-7601-c954-f561-a09f6d2ae4ef@att.net>

If it was snug to get the corners on then it sounds like the correct one.

Once the rubber is on the glass you place the installation cord (I use 
clothes line string) into the slot the the body flange goes into.? Place 
the chrome surround into it's slot, lube the seal (do not use 
dish-washing soap as it has a high salt content)and place the bottom 
edge onto the body flange.? Make sure it is pushed well down onto the 
flange.? Use the cord to work the two lower corners on and the work your 
way up.? I like to finish in the middle of the top.

If you are having difficulty getting the upper corners in check that the 
lower flange is all the way down.? The rubber seal should not be too 
difficult to install if placed correctly.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Jan  4 19:09:28 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:09:28 -0600
Subject: [TR] part needed - please broadcast
Message-ID: <!&!GAAAAAAAAABTklLwuZJERZiayTJHodx1woAAABgAAAAAAAAAU5JS8LmSREWYmskyR6HcdQQ7RAAAAAAAEAAAAMM41CwWK0xBue/R7gLfmcUfAAAAcGFydCBuZWVkZWQgLSBwbGVhc2UgYnJvYWRjYXN0AA==@ranteer.com>

 

 

I need Front Suspension TR2-4 - Suspension - Triumph TR2, 3, 4 | Moss Motors
<https://mossmotors.com/front-suspension-tr2-4>   part #42 caliper mounting
plate right hand for an early TR4 CT9XXX.  Also enclosed is a picture

 

TR4a and later are different

 

 

 

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Mon Jan  4 21:22:31 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (DAVE HOGYE)
Date: Mon, 4 Jan 2021 20:22:31 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] part needed - please broadcast
In-Reply-To: <!&!GAAAAAAAAABTklLwuZJERZiayTJHodx1woAAABgAAAAAAAAAU5JS8LmSREWYmskyR6HcdQQ7RAAAAAAAEAAAAMM41CwWK0xBue/R7gLfmcUfAAAAcGFydCBuZWVkZWQgLSBwbGVhc2UgYnJvYWRjYXN0AA==@ranteer.com>
References: <!&!GAAAAAAAAABTklLwuZJERZiayTJHodx1woAAABgAAAAAAAAAU5JS8LmSREWYmskyR6HcdQQ7RAAAAAAAEAAAAMM41CwWK0xBue/R7gLfmcUfAAAAcGFydCBuZWVkZWQgLSBwbGVhc2UgYnJvYWRjYXN0AA==@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <2014847658.203340.1609820551761@connect.xfinity.com>

Hello Dave,
I'm sure that I have one of those, if your request hasn't already been met.   
I'm in Santa Cruz, CA.
Dave H. 
831-234-4928


>     On 01/04/2021 6:09 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
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>      
> 
>      
> 
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> 
>     I need Front Suspension TR2-4 - Suspension - Triumph TR2, 3, 4 | Moss Motors https://mossmotors.com/front-suspension-tr2-4   part #42 caliper mounting plate right hand for an early TR4 CT9XXX.  Also enclosed is a picture
> 
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> 
>     TR4a and later are different
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> 
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From ahwahneetr at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 07:10:21 2021
From: ahwahneetr at gmail.com (Geo Hahn)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 07:10:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR2 1:43 scale on ebay
In-Reply-To: <000501d6e2e0$0e707110$2b515330$@ranteer.com>
References: <000501d6e2e0$0e707110$2b515330$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CANzE1bGtHEZEJ=bmVzV9FvU9dk9o1NpGqN0iUG-QV7xqnO5PoA@mail.gmail.com>

Looks like Lou Metelko's car (only smaller).

Geo

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> https://www.ebay.com/itm/284136455120
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> just noticed this
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Tue Jan  5 12:28:09 2021
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Tue, 5 Jan 2021 14:28:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Pertronix
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwj3O8ZMeRZj+=M=YwJjrRHHYiTwadYHoMYCq=MfGg5VyA@mail.gmail.com>

Hey all ~

I have a DM2 distributor on my 1959 TR3A and am considering going
with a Pertronix setup.

I just had an interesting call with Paul in Customer Service at Pertronix,
who tells me I can use:

their standard Flamethrower system with a 40501 (chrome) *3.0 ohm* coil and
their
LU149 Ignitor

or,

If I upgrade to their Flamethrower II, I'd use their 45001 *0.6 ohm*
coil with their 9LU149 Ignitor II (having adaptive dwell control).

But Flamethrower II technology requires a 0.6 ohm coil as that system
won't work at 3 ohms.

Cheers, all....

Dave
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jan  6 10:52:55 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 11:52:55 -0600
Subject: [TR] electric fan
Message-ID: <000501d6e454$c322ec80$4968c580$@ranteer.com>

Who uses an electric fan as an auxiliary to the mechanical fan?  What
temperature does it kick in?

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From islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 11:54:23 2021
From: islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com (Frank Burkhart)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 10:54:23 -0800
Subject: [TR] electric fan
In-Reply-To: <000501d6e454$c322ec80$4968c580$@ranteer.com>
References: <000501d6e454$c322ec80$4968c580$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <3540283F-CB21-4CC0-BBE8-2FBFDE229B35@gmail.com>

Dave,
Removed the mechanical on my TR6 and replaced with electric.  The thermostat starts the fan at 185 degrees.  This has worked well the radiator thermostat opening at 182 degrees.

Frank
75 TR6
Sausalito, CA

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From ryel at mac.com  Wed Jan  6 12:18:30 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 11:18:30 -0800
Subject: [TR] electric fan
In-Reply-To: <000501d6e454$c322ec80$4968c580$@ranteer.com>
References: <000501d6e454$c322ec80$4968c580$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <95807096-6312-4618-8543-9BCB6B1AD181@mac.com>

On my 1960 TR3, I removed the stock fan altogether and the wide fan belt, upgrading to a skinny belt with billet pulleys, and harmonic balancer pulley on the crankshaft.  I also upgraded to a Wizard aluminum radiator with a built in fan and bung for the temperature sending unit.  It turns on at 185 degrees.

Rye




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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 13:51:20 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 20:51:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] electric fan
In-Reply-To: <000501d6e454$c322ec80$4968c580$@ranteer.com>
References: <000501d6e454$c322ec80$4968c580$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1092406250.4245747.1609966280108@mail.yahoo.com>

 i use an electric fan as primary singular fan.use an adjustable thermostat and have it kick in around 170
    On Wednesday, January 6, 2021, 10:04:35 AM PST, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 
Who uses an electric fan as an auxiliary to the mechanical fan?? What temperature does it kick in?
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 14:20:51 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 16:20:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Tr4a brake drum
Message-ID: <D3E00935-6618-401C-A295-D38284C42EE6@gmail.com>

Anyone know minimum drake drum spec for 67 tr4a?  Didn?t see it cast on outside drum.
Thanks, 
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl 

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Wed Jan  6 15:04:22 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 17:04:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] TRF
Message-ID: <008c01d6e477$e4330b80$ac992280$@uprichard.net>

I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning
that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all
been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is
the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as
normal.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 16:41:26 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 17:41:26 -0600
Subject: [TR] electric fan
In-Reply-To: <3540283F-CB21-4CC0-BBE8-2FBFDE229B35@gmail.com>
References: <3540283F-CB21-4CC0-BBE8-2FBFDE229B35@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <99D77EDA-A1EF-44E1-A0BC-A368D75D667F@yahoo.com>

I have one in the old Land Rover and the TR powered Morgan(just sold).  I set them to kick on just ahead of when the needle shows normal operating temp.  

The TR3 came to me with a six-blade aftermarket job, no problems.  

Bill B
TS30800L


#dontkillgrandma

On Jan 6, 2021, at 1:11 PM, Frank Burkhart <islandgirl.sausalito at gmail.com> wrote:

?Dave,
Removed the mechanical on my TR6 and replaced with electric.  The thermostat starts the fan at 185 degrees.  This has worked well the radiator thermostat opening at 182 degrees.

Frank
75 TR6
Sausalito, CA

> On Jan 6, 2021, at 9:52 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Who uses an electric fan as an auxiliary to the mechanical fan?  What temperature does it kick in?
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Wed Jan  6 17:04:40 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:04:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] TRF
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That?s good news.

Mike

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On Jan 6, 2021, at 16:05, auprichard at uprichard.net wrote:

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I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as normal.

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 17:28:18 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 16:28:18 -0800
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
Message-ID: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>

I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic hoses
for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares.
I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in USA.
UK have some but shipping costs add up.
I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.
If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your fittings?I
bought a cu / nickel line kit that came with fittings I can use.
Regards, Sujit

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jan  6 17:30:57 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 19:30:57 -0500
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>
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At least in my area, NAPA carries a complete line of just the fittings 
both 'merican and metric

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On 1/6/2021 7:28 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic 
> hoses for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares.
> I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in 
> USA. UK have some but shipping costs add up.
> I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.
> If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your 
> fittings?I bought a cu /?nickel line kit that came with fittings I can 
> use.
> Regards, Sujit
>
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From fredzampa at yahoo.com  Wed Jan  6 18:30:08 2021
From: fredzampa at yahoo.com (fred zampa)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 01:30:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, fenders
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 jim? :? ? i live in macon ga -not far from ocala.
? ? ? ? ? ? i have tr4a fenders (and most? of the rest of the car )? for sale.? i also have tr3 and a few tr6 body parts.? ?contact me if you are interested and i will check the condition --which i remember as being good.
fred? ? ? ?478 785 0275.? ? ? ? fredzampa at yahoo.com
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Looking for good used rear fenders, trunk lid, for TR4 or 4a.? Hoping in the southeast as I am in Florida and really don?t want to ship.? But open to offers.? Thanks.
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Thanks all who responded to my windshield question.
Ed - my seal is stretched around the corners but very slack top and bottom, as well as being bowed at the ends. I don't see how I can set it down on the pinch with it flopping that way. 
The packaging for the seal says Uroparts 913442, which comes up on Amazon as meant for a TR4, but is no longer available on the Europarts site itself.I'll talk to Moss tomorrow and see where they source their seals.john

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Date:?Sat, 2 Jan 2021 16:15:25 -0800
Subject:?[TR] TR4 Windshield Install
All the TR4 windshield mounting rubbers I have used required a bit of 
stretching to get over the corners of the glass.? That did not stop the 
seal from being a bit bowed along the vertical edges.? I would say that 
if the corners are loose then you have the incorrect mounting rubber.

A Herald uses the same type of seal but the windshield is about two 
inches taller so the seal is about four inches longer.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Jan  6 18:47:49 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 01:47:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
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References: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>,
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Fedhill brake line - Where to buy brake line, fuel line, brake line flaring tools, brake line nuts and brake line fittings (fedhillusa.com)<http://fedhillusa.com/> has fittings, including some unique to British-Girling brake and fuel systems such as the long ?-20 tube nut for the 5/16 inlet for TR4-4A fuel pump.

Cliff


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Subject: Re: [TR] Making brake pipes


At least in my area, NAPA carries a complete line of just the fittings both 'merican and metric

ptegler
On 1/6/2021 7:28 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic hoses for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares.
I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in USA. UK have some but shipping costs add up.
I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.
If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your fittings?I bought a cu / nickel line kit that came with fittings I can use.
Regards, Sujit

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From tr3a58dean at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 18:54:29 2021
From: tr3a58dean at gmail.com (Dean)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 20:54:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
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From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Wed Jan  6 20:44:03 2021
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 20:44:03 -0700
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>
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First, American and British standard brake fittings are incompatible, 
The British standard uses long noses before the threaded part and 
American standard fittings do not, which means a male British fitting 
will only screw in a couple threads before it bottoms out and an 
American male fitting will run out of threads before the end can make a 
seal when used with a British standard female fitting. That said. Rovers 
North sells bare fittings Other US companies may as well.

Second, good auto parts stores sells ready made brake lines on different 
lengths with American fittings. What I did was cut off one flare, 
replace the US fittings with UK fittings then after bending to shape 
made a new flare on the end that was cut off. If I needed longer lines 
than the store had I just joined two together using a US union fitting. 
I did this with both cars. The Land Rover has used my replacement lines 
for about 40 years now and the TR3 for about 30 years. I purchased my 
flare making kit from Eastwood.

TeriAnn

On 1/6/21 5:28 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic 
> hoses for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares.
> I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in 
> USA. UK have some but shipping costs add up.
> I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.?
> If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your 
> fittings?I bought a cu /??nickel line kit that came with fittings I 
> can use.?
> Regards, Sujit
>
> -- 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Jan  6 20:49:01 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 21:49:01 -0600
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TRF
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Just keep in mind that they are totally screwing all the investors who
helped keep the business afloat all these years

 

From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of
auprichard at uprichard.net
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:04 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
Subject: [6pack] TRF

 

I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning
that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all
been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is
the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as
normal.

 

Andrew Uprichard

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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Wed Jan  6 21:01:54 2021
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey)
Date: Wed, 6 Jan 2021 23:01:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TRF
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So the current employees and TRF owner are screwing people who knowingly made unsecured personal loans to Charles Runyon?

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:56 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just keep in mind that they are totally screwing all the investors who helped keep the business afloat all these years
>  
> From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net
> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:04 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: [6pack] TRF
>  
> I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as normal.
>  
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jan  6 22:33:19 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 00:33:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
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Half a dozen companies are now making the hand powered hydraulic 
flangers.? I finally broke down and bought the Mastercool version a 
decade back, when they were still dirt cheap ( < $160)
that set will do single and double flares, bubbles (for brit style)? and 
T flanges for snap on flex line fittings. doing a flange in-situ is a 
B----!? so this tool made it super single.... but yes pricey if you only 
need to do oncies and twocise.

uumm....?? ok a link to see what we're talking about

https://www.tooldiscounter.com/product/mastercool-universal-hydraulic-flaring-tool-set-mas72475?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3NX_BRDQARIsALA3fIK2pSJmXzGuinAOo_wMYKEWYKEzURhna5d7_QuptuKlIMvwm3K9qYwaAubNEALw_wcB 
<https://www.tooldiscounter.com/product/mastercool-universal-hydraulic-flaring-tool-set-mas72475?gclid=Cj0KCQiA3NX_BRDQARIsALA3fIK2pSJmXzGuinAOo_wMYKEWYKEzURhna5d7_QuptuKlIMvwm3K9qYwaAubNEALw_wcB>


ptegler


On 1/6/2021 10:44 PM, TeriAnn J. Wakeman wrote:
> First, American and British standard brake fittings are incompatible, 
> The British standard uses long noses before the threaded part and 
> American standard fittings do not, which means a male British fitting 
> will only screw in a couple threads before it bottoms out and an 
> American male fitting will run out of threads before the end can make 
> a seal when used with a British standard female fitting. That said. 
> Rovers North sells bare fittings Other US companies may as well.
>
> Second, good auto parts stores sells ready made brake lines on 
> different lengths with American fittings. What I did was cut off one 
> flare, replace the US fittings with UK fittings then after bending to 
> shape made a new flare on the end that was cut off. If I needed longer 
> lines than the store had I just joined two together using a US union 
> fitting. I did this with both cars. The Land Rover has used my 
> replacement lines for about 40 years now and the TR3 for about 30 
> years. I purchased my flare making kit from Eastwood.
>
> TeriAnn
>
> On 1/6/21 5:28 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>> I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic 
>> hoses for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares.
>> I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in 
>> USA. UK have some but shipping costs add up.
>> I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.?
>> If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your 
>> fittings?I bought a cu /??nickel line kit that came with fittings I 
>> can use.?
>> Regards, Sujit
>>
>> -- 
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>
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From billyb62 at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 04:38:14 2021
From: billyb62 at gmail.com (Bill Hall)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 06:38:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
In-Reply-To: <d78fa73a-9bc9-f250-273a-23c1b2fe3868@gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d78fa73a-9bc9-f250-273a-23c1b2fe3868@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAKQUVBKDhKJxbG5y+NkJWFNUL9uCJUnOcLiuwArMQRAaa69ASg@mail.gmail.com>

A very wise and respected Triumph guru, Randall Young, once told me when I
was planning on making my own brake lines instead of buying professionally
re-made lines to save a little money that ?maybe they can use the money you
save to help pay for the funeral?.....I bought pre-made lines!  Just sayin?

Bill
TR3A
TS63273L

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:54 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> First, American and British standard brake fittings are incompatible, The
> British standard uses long noses before the threaded part and American
> standard fittings do not, which means a male British fitting will only
> screw in a couple threads before it bottoms out and an American male
> fitting will run out of threads before the end can make a seal when used
> with a British standard female fitting. That said. Rovers North sells bare
> fittings Other US companies may as well.
>
> Second, good auto parts stores sells ready made brake lines on different
> lengths with American fittings. What I did was cut off one flare, replace
> the US fittings with UK fittings then after bending to shape made a new
> flare on the end that was cut off. If I needed longer lines than the store
> had I just joined two together using a US union fitting. I did this with
> both cars. The Land Rover has used my replacement lines for about 40 years
> now and the TR3 for about 30 years. I purchased my flare making kit from
> Eastwood.
>
> TeriAnn
>
> On 1/6/21 5:28 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>
> I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic
> hoses for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares.
> I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in USA.
> UK have some but shipping costs add up.
> I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.?
> If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your fittings?I
> bought a cu /? nickel line kit that came with fittings I can use.?
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jan  7 05:07:02 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 07 Jan 2021 06:07:02 -0600
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TRF
In-Reply-To: <8906434B-D9FF-473E-988B-B55E6B169F69@aol.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.9.1610021227.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

We were told the loans were secured by a life insurance policy.? That was a lie
-------- Original message --------From: Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx at aol.com> Date: 1/6/21  10:02 PM  (GMT-06:00) To: dave <dave at ranteer.com> Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TRF So the current employees and TRF owner are screwing people who knowingly made unsecured personal loans to Charles Runyon?Sent from my iPadOn Jan 6, 2021, at 10:56 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:?<!--
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jan  7 05:40:08 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 12:40:08 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
In-Reply-To: <CAKQUVBKDhKJxbG5y+NkJWFNUL9uCJUnOcLiuwArMQRAaa69ASg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>
 <d78fa73a-9bc9-f250-273a-23c1b2fe3868@gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <2023200185.4960753.1610023208599@mail.yahoo.com>

 And I always say that before you go make sure you can stop.
However, Sujit is working on his power steering hoses and there is a contingency plan for a failed hydraulic hose.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bill Hall <billyb62 at gmail.com>
To: TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 5:38 am
Subject: Re: [TR] Making brake pipes

A very wise and respected Triumph guru, Randall Young, once told me when I was planning on making my own brake lines instead of buying professionally re-made lines to save a little money that ?maybe they can use the money you save to help pay for the funeral?.....I bought pre-made lines!? Just sayin?
Bill?TR3ATS63273L
On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 10:54 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com> wrote:

  First, American and British standard brake fittings are incompatible, The British standard uses long noses before the threaded part and American standard fittings do not, which means a male British fitting will only screw in a couple threads before it bottoms out and an American male fitting will run out of threads before the end can make a seal when used with a British standard female fitting. That said. Rovers North sells bare fittings Other US companies may as well. 
  Second, good auto parts stores sells ready made brake lines on different lengths with American fittings. What I did was cut off one flare, replace the US fittings with UK fittings then after bending to shape made a new flare on the end that was cut off. If I needed longer lines than the store had I just joined two together using a US union fitting. I did this with both cars. The Land Rover has used my replacement lines for about 40 years now and the TR3 for about 30 years. I purchased my flare making kit from Eastwood. 
  TeriAnn
  
  On 1/6/21 5:28 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
  
 I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic hoses for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares. I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in USA. UK have some but shipping costs add up. I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.?? If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your fittings?I bought a cu /??nickel line kit that came with fittings I can use.?? Regards, Sujit
 
  -- 
   Sujit Roy
 Cupertino, California     
 
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Jan  7 07:35:54 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 09:35:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 bonnet cable
Message-ID: <005601d6e502$68246800$386d3800$@uprichard.net>

I have (finally) aligned the bonnet so that the cable system now operates -
what a job!

 

But the cable is a little frayed and I am worried it may not be long for
this life.  The original cable has an attractive, bone-colored knob, but is
no longer available.  Does anyone have suggestions on how to secure a new
cable while keeping the knob?

 

Or does anyone have a cable they would sell?

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From McGaheyRx at aol.com  Thu Jan  7 07:38:48 2021
From: McGaheyRx at aol.com (Jack McGahey)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 09:38:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack]   TRF
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR13MB43835FEDE099E63DA254334AC6AF0@MN2PR13MB4383.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR13MB43835FEDE099E63DA254334AC6AF0@MN2PR13MB4383.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
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Understood. I wouldn?t be just unhappy, I?d be really angry - mostly at myself for making an unsecured personal loan to a man who poured way too much money into his dream pub/restaurant in Indiana, PA. I wouldn?t blame or take it out on the people trying to earn a living at TRF - none of whom had anything to do with the unsecured personal loans to a dead man who didn?t do what he said he would do.

Sent from my iPad

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Alan Atkinson <alanatkinson at hotmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ? They never scrubbed the text so it?s here: http://trf.zeni.net/weeklongb/5.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200
> 
> While it is clearly an unsecured loan, there?s specific verbiage in the offer to say there is a mechanism to ensure that a participant will be repaid in the event of his death. 
> He is dead. It was untimely. 
> I understand that the insurance was insufficient so the note holders weren?t made whole at that time. 
> I?d be quite unhappy if I were one of them too. 
> 
> 
> 
>> On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:07 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> We were told the loans were secured by a life insurance policy.  That was a lie
>> 
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx at aol.com> 
>> Date: 1/6/21 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00) 
>> To: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
>> Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net
>> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TRF 
>> 
>> So the current employees and TRF owner are screwing people who knowingly made unsecured personal loans to Charles Runyon?
>> 
>> Sent from my iPad
>> 
>>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:56 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>>> Just keep in mind that they are totally screwing all the investors who helped keep the business afloat all these years
>>>  
>>> From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net
>>> Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:04 PM
>>> To: triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
>>> Subject: [6pack] TRF
>>>  
>>> I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as normal.
>>>  
>>> Andrew Uprichard
>>> Jackson, Michigan
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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 09:34:33 2021
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck White)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 11:34:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TRF
In-Reply-To: <20210107120813.7BD8BA13E8@autox.team.net>
References: <20210107120813.7BD8BA13E8@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <63652a94-d231-047a-582a-852e459382cc@gmail.com>

And how do you propose Albert correct the wrongs of his father? 58% is 
better than 0%.? At least Albert seems to be trying to make a bad 
situation better.

Chuck

On 1/7/2021 7:07 AM, dave wrote:
> We were told the loans were secured by a life insurance policy. That 
> was a lie
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx at aol.com>
> Date: 1/6/21 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TRF
>
> So the current employees and TRF owner are screwing people who 
> knowingly made unsecured personal loans to Charles Runyon?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
>> On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:56 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> Just keep in mind that they are totally screwing all the investors 
>> who helped keep the business afloat all these years
>>
>> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of 
>> *auprichard at uprichard.net
>> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:04 PM
>> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* [6pack] TRF
>>
>> I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.? I had read this 
>> morning that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the 
>> restaurant had all been sold to settle outstanding debts.? It turns 
>> out that Albert Runyan is the new owner and (according to the people 
>> I spoke to) it is business as normal.
>>
>> Andrew Uprichard
>>
>> Jackson, Michigan
>>
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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Thu Jan  7 10:28:13 2021
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 17:28:13 +0000
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TRF
In-Reply-To: <63652a94-d231-047a-582a-852e459382cc@gmail.com>
References: <20210107120813.7BD8BA13E8@autox.team.net>,
 <63652a94-d231-047a-582a-852e459382cc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <7E6B77EE-098F-4759-B71B-2926A6914103@stevethorntonlaw.com>

This is a complex business transaction.

Simply put, Charles promised to purchase a life insurance policy to insure our investments, which turned out to not be true. I believe Charles thought the assets of his business and personal holdings would adequately cover our investments. Unfortunately, that turned out to be wrong.

Like most entrepreneurs, Charles was a dreamer. His dreams allowed many of us to further enjoy our spare time with our cars. I invested in TRF fully aware that my investment might not ever be repaid. Others may not have gone in with the same understanding.

We are much better off with two providers, TRF and Moss, rather than one. Don?t lose sight of that.

So, you can chose to be bitter over money lost, or rejoice that you are receiving 58 percent of your initial investment. I know this has been difficult for Albert, Deb and others. They need encouragement. I, for one, intend to give it to them.

Happy New Year.



Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
Attorney at Law
Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
Bowling Green, KY. 42103
270-781-6630


On Jan 7, 2021, at 10:41 AM, Chuck White <triumph.driver at gmail.com> wrote:

?

And how do you propose Albert correct the wrongs of his father?  58% is better than 0%.  At least Albert seems to be trying to make a bad situation better.

Chuck

On 1/7/2021 7:07 AM, dave wrote:
We were told the loans were secured by a life insurance policy.  That was a lie

-------- Original message --------
From: Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx at aol.com><mailto:McGaheyRx at aol.com>
Date: 1/6/21 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com><mailto:dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net>, 6pack at autox.team.net<mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TRF

So the current employees and TRF owner are screwing people who knowingly made unsecured personal loans to Charles Runyon?

Sent from my iPad

On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:56 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com><mailto:dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Just keep in mind that they are totally screwing all the investors who helped keep the business afloat all these years

From: 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net><mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net<mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net>
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:04 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>; 6pack at autox.team.net<mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>
Subject: [6pack] TRF

I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as normal.

Andrew Uprichard
Jackson, Michigan
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Jan  7 11:52:00 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 12:52:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TRF
In-Reply-To: <63652a94-d231-047a-582a-852e459382cc@gmail.com>
References: <20210107120813.7BD8BA13E8@autox.team.net>
 <63652a94-d231-047a-582a-852e459382cc@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <000c01d6e526$2efcdd90$8cf698b0$@ranteer.com>

I am very fortunate that I did not invest large sums of money.  I will be grateful for the 58%

 

I am also reminded of the phrase: if it seems to good to be true, it probably is.  His return was, in retrospect, too good to be true.

 

There are actually many, many more suppliers than just Moss and TRF.  My personal favorites are  British Parts Northwest (www.bpnorthwest.com <http://www.bpnorthwest.com> ) and Little British Car Company (https://www.lbcarco.com/)

 

And before  you say they just resell Moss parts, that is not true.  In fact, and please correct me if I am wrong, lbcarco is the only place where  you can get a TR4 or MGA convertible top with a zip out window.  If you are lucky, you might find the company that supplies parts to Moss.  I know of several and deal with them directly.

 

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Chuck White
Sent: Thursday, January 7, 2021 10:35 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TRF

 

And how do you propose Albert correct the wrongs of his father?  58% is better than 0%.  At least Albert seems to be trying to make a bad situation better.

Chuck

On 1/7/2021 7:07 AM, dave wrote:

We were told the loans were secured by a life insurance policy.  That was a lie 

 

-------- Original message --------

From: Jack McGahey  <mailto:McGaheyRx at aol.com> <McGaheyRx at aol.com> 

Date: 1/6/21 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00) 

To: dave  <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> <dave at ranteer.com> 

Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:Triumphs at autox.team.net> , 6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net>  

Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TRF 

 

So the current employees and TRF owner are screwing people who knowingly made unsecured personal loans to Charles Runyon?

Sent from my iPad





On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:56 PM, dave  <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

? 

Just keep in mind that they are totally screwing all the investors who helped keep the business afloat all these years

 

From: 6pack  <mailto:6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of auprichard at uprichard.net <mailto:auprichard at uprichard.net> 
Sent: Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:04 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> ; 6pack at autox.team.net <mailto:6pack at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [6pack] TRF

 

I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as normal.

 

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan

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From HDRider570 at att.net  Thu Jan  7 12:34:57 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 11:34:57 -0800
Subject: [TR] Tr4a brake drum
References: <8089227c-1433-62c8-d4a5-dbb6ad98669c.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <8089227c-1433-62c8-d4a5-dbb6ad98669c@att.net>

If you look at the back edge of the drum it is chamfered at 45 degrees.? 
When the chamfer is gone the drum is turned too far.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 15:43:10 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:43:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>

Did the TR7 and TR8 use power steering and if so, did they use a Saginaw
pump? I have a Stag.
If it cross references to a US car, does anyone have a reference?
Sujit

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From triumph.driver at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 15:47:36 2021
From: triumph.driver at gmail.com (Chuck)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 17:47:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] [6pack] TRF
In-Reply-To: <4DE93A85-2D8E-404F-9671-9C9FD2CA5A98@aol.com>
References: <MN2PR13MB43835FEDE099E63DA254334AC6AF0@MN2PR13MB4383.namprd13.prod.outlook.com>
 <4DE93A85-2D8E-404F-9671-9C9FD2CA5A98@aol.com>
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Apparently, "they" have taken down the referenced page.  The link no longer
works.
Chuck White

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 9:39 AM Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx at aol.com> wrote:

> Understood. I wouldn?t be just unhappy, I?d be really angry - mostly at
> myself for making an unsecured personal loan to a man who poured way too
> much money into his dream pub/restaurant in Indiana, PA. I wouldn?t blame
> or take it out on the people trying to earn a living at TRF - none of whom
> had anything to do with the unsecured personal loans to a dead man who
> didn?t do what he said he would do.
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:15 AM, Alan Atkinson <alanatkinson at hotmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> ? They never scrubbed the text so it?s here:
> http://trf.zeni.net/weeklongb/5.php?s_wt=1920&s_ht=1200
>
> While it is clearly an unsecured loan, there?s specific verbiage in the
> offer to say there is a mechanism to ensure that a participant will be
> repaid in the event of his death.
> He is dead. It was untimely.
> I understand that the insurance was insufficient so the note holders
> weren?t made whole at that time.
> I?d be quite unhappy if I were one of them too.
>
>
>
> On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:07 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> We were told the loans were secured by a life insurance policy.  That was
> a lie
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Jack McGahey <McGaheyRx at aol.com>
> Date: 1/6/21 10:02 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: Triumphs at autox.team.net, 6pack at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] [6pack] TRF
>
> So the current employees and TRF owner are screwing people who knowingly
> made unsecured personal loans to Charles Runyon?
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On Jan 6, 2021, at 10:56 PM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> ?
> Just keep in mind that they are totally screwing all the investors who
> helped keep the business afloat all these years
>
>
> *From:* 6pack <6pack-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *
> auprichard at uprichard.net
> *Sent:* Wednesday, January 6, 2021 4:04 PM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net; 6pack at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* [6pack] TRF
>
>
> I just put an order in with The Roadster Factory.  I had read this morning
> that the business, the cars, the farm, the house and the restaurant had all
> been sold to settle outstanding debts.  It turns out that Albert Runyan is
> the new owner and (according to the people I spoke to) it is business as
> normal.
>
>
> Andrew Uprichard
> Jackson, Michigan
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From darrellw360 at mac.com  Thu Jan  7 15:48:13 2021
From: darrellw360 at mac.com (Darrell Walker)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:48:13 -0800
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>
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The TR8 did.

Some info from the Wedge X-ref list (http://wedgelist.triumphwedgeowners.org/crossref/ <http://wedgelist.triumphwedgeowners.org/crossref/>)  :

Application:                          TR8
Triumph Part #:                   RKC971 ,  ( ERC2312  ??)
Other Part #?s:                     Checkers  20-840,  AutoZone 7253, 7250,  Powercraft 18811,  MPN #SP17253, Everco 2315
Other Vehicles:
References:                          WWWedge e-mail list, TR8CCA newsletter, jclaythompson?s web site, ebay
 
Comments:  
Fluid reservoir may need to be swapped from the original, as does the pressure relief spring.
 
See: TR8CCA newsletter: issue 44 (pg 4)  Powercraft 18811 available from Kragen, Schucks, Checker.
See: TR8CCA newsletter: issue 45 (pg 3), Automotive Parts Associated Part # 20-840.
See: TR8CCA newsletter: issue 53 (pg 6)  Everco 2315 replacement part.
 
?You might save yourself some trouble by replacing the pump with a fairly easily sourced replacement. The pump appears to be your basic Saginaw SAE pump. Part number cross at Checkers is 20840,   Autozone PN 7253,  Powercraft #18811.  You will have to swap out reservoir but you are half way there.?  
 ? Dave Massey (August, 2015)

-Darrell

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 2:43 PM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Did the TR7 and TR8 use power steering and if so, did they use a Saginaw pump? I have a Stag.
> If it cross references to a US car, does anyone have a reference? 
> Sujit 
> 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jan  7 15:59:10 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 14:59:10 -0800
Subject: [TR] Making brake pipes
In-Reply-To: <d78fa73a-9bc9-f250-273a-23c1b2fe3868@gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaG=WM4vV0b+fDukCfhKwiypz0CdKtDGtzHz0LUCpUeBgw@mail.gmail.com>
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TeriAnn
Thanks I did see the difference. I was meant to say I can't use the
ones which came with the kit. I have the following tool. I think it is the
same that Eastwood sells.
https://www.amazon.com/gp/product/B01HOXH242/ref=ppx_yo_dt_b_asin_title_o03_s00?ie=UTF8&psc=1
$4 each and 12$ to ship to CA. i only wanted to try 2.

Sujit

On Wed, Jan 6, 2021 at 7:55 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> First, American and British standard brake fittings are incompatible, The
> British standard uses long noses before the threaded part and American
> standard fittings do not, which means a male British fitting will only
> screw in a couple threads before it bottoms out and an American male
> fitting will run out of threads before the end can make a seal when used
> with a British standard female fitting. That said. Rovers North sells bare
> fittings Other US companies may as well.
>
> Second, good auto parts stores sells ready made brake lines on different
> lengths with American fittings. What I did was cut off one flare, replace
> the US fittings with UK fittings then after bending to shape made a new
> flare on the end that was cut off. If I needed longer lines than the store
> had I just joined two together using a US union fitting. I did this with
> both cars. The Land Rover has used my replacement lines for about 40 years
> now and the TR3 for about 30 years. I purchased my flare making kit from
> Eastwood.
>
> TeriAnn
>
> On 1/6/21 5:28 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>
> I bought a good brake pipe flaring tool for rebuilding some hydraulic
> hoses for my Stag's rack. So far I have managed to reuse some flares.
> I may need some new flares but am finding them very expensive here in USA.
> UK have some but shipping costs add up.
> I need 7/16 x 20 for 1/4" tubing to make bubble flares.?
> If you make your own brake lines where do you go to get your fittings?I
> bought a cu /? nickel line kit that came with fittings I can use.?
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
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From tochilds at bellsouth.net  Thu Jan  7 16:50:37 2021
From: tochilds at bellsouth.net (James Childs)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 23:50:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <753006086.13843.1610063437268@mail.yahoo.com>

 Sujit,
I know that the TR8 had Power Steering while the TR7 did not.? Not sure about the actual pump used with the TR8.
Tony Childs1972 Triumph Spitfire MKIV1973 Triumph Stag
    On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 05:45:48 PM EST, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Did the TR7 and TR8 use power steering?and if so, did they use a Saginaw pump? I have a Stag.If it cross references?to a US car, does anyone?have a reference??Sujit?

-- 
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Cupertino, California
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Jan  7 17:15:21 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 00:15:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <898686840.5136023.1610064921084@mail.yahoo.com>

 The TR7 had a manual rack but the TR8 had power steering and uses the Saginaw pump (probably out of the same parts bin).? I don't know how similar the other parts are.? The rack may be the same or it may have different mounts and the hoses may be configured differently depending on where the pump is mounted on the engine.? Attached is a picture of a TR8 engine.? Note that the pump is mounted on the lower-right.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 4:43 pm
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions

Did the TR7 and TR8 use power steering?and if so, did they use a Saginaw pump? I have a Stag.If it cross references?to a US car, does anyone?have a reference??Sujit?

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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 18:53:41 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 17:53:41 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
Message-ID: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>

Hello TR listers,
I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share? 
Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl.
Dave H. 
Sent from my iPad

From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 20:35:29 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 21:35:29 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <8BC7489C-D8D5-4978-BF65-AD74490ADAD7@yahoo.com>

Dave,
Try this site, gives a couple of paint codes for Pearl White, depending on the year. 

http://www.trregisterfrance.com/meca/paint.htm

Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

?Hello TR listers,
I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share? 
Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl.
Dave H. 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 20:53:03 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 19:53:03 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <8BC7489C-D8D5-4978-BF65-AD74490ADAD7@yahoo.com>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
 <8BC7489C-D8D5-4978-BF65-AD74490ADAD7@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1230886696.221066.1610077984323@connect.xfinity.com>

Thanks Bill,
This chart looks like good information. 
While trying to match Primrose/Pale Yellow on my '59 TR3, the numbers didn't translate to available modern paint.  I settled on using the later '68 Jasmine to get a code.  A computer read on the Primrose listed a VW Beetle convertible color named, if I remember correctly, Mello Yellow, which looks right on, when I see one of these cars on the road.
I'm just wondering if there was really any pearlescent in the original white.  
Is it obvious and or look very pearlescent?  
Dave H.


>     On 01/07/2021 7:35 PM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>      
>      
>     Dave,
>     Try this site, gives a couple of paint codes for Pearl White, depending on the year. 
>      
>     http://www.trregisterfrance.com/meca/paint.htm
> 
>     Bill
> 
>     #dontkillgrandma
> 
>     On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
>     Hello TR listers,
>     I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share?
>     Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl.
>     Dave H.
>     Sent from my iPad
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Jan  7 21:38:18 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (W Beecher)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 04:38:18 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <1230886696.221066.1610077984323@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
 <8BC7489C-D8D5-4978-BF65-AD74490ADAD7@yahoo.com>
 <1230886696.221066.1610077984323@connect.xfinity.com>
Message-ID: <669298151.3433728.1610080698336@mail.yahoo.com>

I don?t know but I would doubt TR was using any metallics or pearlescent paints back then. ?It may turn out to be their version of Old English White.?
Bill


Sent from Yahoo for iPhone


On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:53 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

  Thanks Bill,   This chart looks like good information.?   While trying to match Primrose/Pale Yellow on my '59 TR3, the numbers didn't translate to available modern paint.? I settled on using the later '68 Jasmine to get a code.? A computer read on the Primrose listed a VW Beetle convertible color named, if I remember correctly, Mello Yellow, which looks right on, when I see one of these cars on the road.   I'm just wondering if there was really any pearlescent in the original white.??   Is it obvious and or look very pearlescent???   Dave H.   ?  
  On 01/07/2021 7:35 PM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:   ?   ?  Dave,  Try this site, gives a couple of paint codes for Pearl White, depending on the year.?   ?   http://www.trregisterfrance.com/meca/paint.htm 
 
Bill   
  #dontkillgrandma   
On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote: 
 
   Hello TR listers, 
I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior. ??I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint. ?Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share? 
Was it just a bright white? ?It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl. 
Dave H. 
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Thu Jan  7 21:58:08 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Thu, 7 Jan 2021 20:58:08 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <669298151.3433728.1610080698336@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
 <8BC7489C-D8D5-4978-BF65-AD74490ADAD7@yahoo.com>
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 <669298151.3433728.1610080698336@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <EB9B9193-CBEB-41A6-A541-CAB268A30E2B@comcast.net>

That?s exactly what I was thinking. Not really a pearl white.  It would still be interesting to know if someone has determined the correct color besides what it?s called by Triumph. 
Dave H. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:38 PM, W Beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> I don?t know but I would doubt TR was using any metallics or pearlescent paints back then.  It may turn out to be their version of Old English White. 
> 
> Bill
> 
> 
> Sent from Yahoo for iPhone
> 
> On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:53 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> Thanks Bill,
> This chart looks like good information.    
> While trying to match Primrose/Pale Yellow on my '59 TR3, the numbers didn't translate to available modern paint.  I settled on using the later '68 Jasmine to get a code.  A computer read on the Primrose listed a VW Beetle convertible color named, if I remember correctly, Mello Yellow, which looks right on, when I see one of these cars on the road.
> I'm just wondering if there was really any pearlescent in the original white.  
> Is it obvious and or look very pearlescent?  
> Dave H.
>  
>> On 01/07/2021 7:35 PM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
>>  
>>  
>> Dave,
>> Try this site, gives a couple of paint codes for Pearl White, depending on the year. 
>>  
>> http://www.trregisterfrance.com/meca/paint.htm 
>> 
>> Bill
>> 
>> #dontkillgrandma
>> 
>> On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote: 
>> 
>> Hello TR listers, 
>> I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share? 
>> Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl. 
>> Dave H. 
>> Sent from my iPad 
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Fri Jan  8 09:13:46 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 08:13:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
References: <3e16c87d-46b9-85b1-d34c-e32f99085c87.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <3e16c87d-46b9-85b1-d34c-e32f99085c87@att.net>

I used a power steering pump for a 1967 Corvette to replace the one in 
my Stag.? The basic pump is the same but I did have to swap the 
reservoir tank.

I swapped the relief valve tension spring as well but I honestly could 
not see a difference between them. I was just being careful as US cars 
generally run higher line pressure which can damage the rack seals.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 10:44:24 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 09:44:24 -0800
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
In-Reply-To: <898686840.5136023.1610064921084@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaEqa-wQMFZY9B_X6Hfr7TLVMEvu7zsLHdO4ZYzG+CohfA@mail.gmail.com>
 <898686840.5136023.1610064921084@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHdNJRp_8YPwmx2NRvFFpXJwAS5_iVQ5FKj1XbgZ50zCg@mail.gmail.com>

The part no. mentioned for the TR8  is similar to what I've been told the
Stag uses. But you have to swap out the reservoir. The Stag's pump has 1
inlet and 1 outlet. What I'm seeing from some Google searches is that
there are many pumps which  look similar but have 3 ports. I'm not sure
what that is about. I rebuilt my Stag's one for about $12 with a kit.
it's simple enough and there are so many YouTube videos out there. Im
trying to look for another cheap one to make a test rig.

Sujit

On Thu, Jan 7, 2021 at 4:15 PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> The TR7 had a manual rack but the TR8 had power steering and uses the
> Saginaw pump (probably out of the same parts bin).  I don't know how
> similar the other parts are.  The rack may be the same or it may have
> different mounts and the hoses may be configured differently depending on
> where the pump is mounted on the engine.  Attached is a picture of a TR8
> engine.  Note that the pump is mounted on the lower-right.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Thu, Jan 7, 2021 4:43 pm
> Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
>
> Did the TR7 and TR8 use power steering and if so, did they use a Saginaw
> pump? I have a Stag.
> If it cross references to a US car, does anyone have a reference?
> Sujit
>
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 11:17:57 2021
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 10:17:57 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <EB9B9193-CBEB-41A6-A541-CAB268A30E2B@comcast.net>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
 <8BC7489C-D8D5-4978-BF65-AD74490ADAD7@yahoo.com>
 <1230886696.221066.1610077984323@connect.xfinity.com>
 <669298151.3433728.1610080698336@mail.yahoo.com>
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Hi Dave,

Actually, Triumph was using metallic colors at least as early as 1949. >From the Roadster Club archives, the ?49 color choices included:

 

 

 

COLOUR SCHEMES FOR THE 2000 ROADSTER: From 1949 Sales Brochure. 

Lumina Green, LuminaChampagne, Grey, Lumina Grey, Black 

 

>From the same article:

TheTriumph "Lumina" colours were among the first metallic finishes offered on a production car. The actual colours were darker than onmany current Roadster resprays. Some originalspecimens survive to support this view although it is possible that they may have darkened with age. Nevertheless, many consider that the lighter shades now being chosen are more attractive

 

I also came across some color charts from back in the day, I don?t know what good they are, but they are attached.

 

Bob

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Hogye
Sent: Thursday, January 07, 2021 8:58 PM
To: W Beecher
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR2 pearl white

 

That?s exactly what I was thinking. Not really a pearl white.  It would still be interesting to know if someone has determined the correct color besides what it?s called by Triumph. 

Dave H. 

Sent from my iPhone


On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:38 PM, W Beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:

I don?t know but I would doubt TR was using any metallics or pearlescent paints back then.  It may turn out to be their version of Old English White. 

 

Bill


Sent from Yahoo for iPhone <https://apps.apple.com/us/app/aol-news-email-weather-video/id646100661> 

On Thursday, January 7, 2021, 9:53 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:

Thanks Bill, 

This chart looks like good information.  

While trying to match Primrose/Pale Yellow on my '59 TR3, the numbers didn't translate to available modern paint.  I settled on using the later '68 Jasmine to get a code.  A computer read on the Primrose listed a VW Beetle convertible color named, if I remember correctly, Mello Yellow, which looks right on, when I see one of these cars on the road. 

I'm just wondering if there was really any pearlescent in the original white.   

Is it obvious and or look very pearlescent?   

Dave H. 

  

On 01/07/2021 7:35 PM bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote: 

  

  

Dave, 

Try this site, gives a couple of paint codes for Pearl White, depending on the year.  

  

http://www.trregisterfrance.com/meca/paint.htm 

Bill 

 

#dontkillgrandma 


On Jan 7, 2021, at 7:54 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote: 

Hello TR listers, 
I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share? 
Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl. 
Dave H. 
Sent from my iPad 
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From stevensoslo at aol.com  Fri Jan  8 12:31:50 2021
From: stevensoslo at aol.com (Jim Stevens)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 14:31:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <A0506A1F-6CBC-4526-B1E1-2C57DA929854@aol.com>

 Nah, there?s no metallic nor pearlescence in it.  I just did completed a restoration in that color.  Closest modern color code my painter could find was a Toyota color from the 70?s, which others on our list have used.  

> On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:53 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello TR listers,
> I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share? 
> Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl.
> Dave H. 
> Sent from my iPad
> 


From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Jan  8 18:22:15 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 20:22:15 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <A0506A1F-6CBC-4526-B1E1-2C57DA929854@aol.com>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
 <A0506A1F-6CBC-4526-B1E1-2C57DA929854@aol.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CPZwFU9R93JsXbBPNxJHi3ZkpuBBJ-czQTOH2o8oov-rA@mail.gmail.com>

Volkswagen in the 60s had a color called Pearl White That was just a cream
white color - no swirly pearly like modern paint.

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021, 14:32 Jim Stevens <stevensoslo at aol.com> wrote:

>  Nah, there?s no metallic nor pearlescence in it.  I just did completed a
> restoration in that color.  Closest modern color code my painter could find
> was a Toyota color from the 70?s, which others on our list have used.
>
> > On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:53 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> >
> > ?Hello TR listers,
> > I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue
> interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the
> remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular
> Triumph color that they can share?
> > Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of
> any pearl.
> > Dave H.
> > Sent from my iPad
> >
>
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jan  8 20:03:46 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave)
Date: Fri, 8 Jan 2021 19:03:46 -0800 (PST)
Subject: [TR] TR2 pearl white
In-Reply-To: <A0506A1F-6CBC-4526-B1E1-2C57DA929854@aol.com>
References: <204D534F-6748-4CCA-9D64-8FF072A6AE35@comcast.net>
 <A0506A1F-6CBC-4526-B1E1-2C57DA929854@aol.com>
Message-ID: <1604817163.108786.1610161427167@connect.xfinity.com>

Thanks Jim.
Good to know.
Dave H.

> On 01/08/2021 11:31 AM Jim Stevens <stevensoslo at aol.com> wrote:
> 
>  
> Nah, there?s no metallic nor pearlescence in it.  I just did completed a restoration in that color.  Closest modern color code my painter could find was a Toyota color from the 70?s, which others on our list have used.  
> 
> > On Jan 7, 2021, at 8:53 PM, Dave <dlhogye at comcast.net> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Hello TR listers,
> > I have a TR2 long door that was originally pearl white with blue interior.   I haven't found any pearl or hint of any metallic in any of the remaining original paint.  Does anyone have knowledge of this particular Triumph color that they can share? 
> > Was it just a bright white?  It sure looks bright, but no evidence of any pearl.
> > Dave H. 
> > Sent from my iPad
> >

From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 00:39:35 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 9 Jan 2021 23:39:35 -0800
Subject: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEDSTNbmfPyG6sdb1R7K9U2-JWYVOjiRA=VE+TRyTtgCA@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone got any experience using this cheaper cylinder from BPNW? I need it
for a Stag and it shares the same part no.

https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html

Regards, Sujit
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Jan 10 06:59:08 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 08:59:08 -0500
Subject: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEDSTNbmfPyG6sdb1R7K9U2-JWYVOjiRA=VE+TRyTtgCA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEDSTNbmfPyG6sdb1R7K9U2-JWYVOjiRA=VE+TRyTtgCA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <1c64a323-9bbe-e1e8-2dea-8ee27569b1d9@verizon.net>

...personally I've found BPNW seems to carry better quality parts than 
many of the better known suppliers these days.
Example... last Spit resto... the outer door window seals from them 
actually had the felt on the back (against the glass) not just plain rubber.
And the furflex door seals actually were large enough to properly clip 
over the seam and capture the edge of the carpet properly with a seal
flexible enough to not impede the door closure....

ptegler

On 1/10/2021 2:39 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> Anyone got any experience using this cheaper cylinder from BPNW? I 
> need it for a Stag and it shares the same part no.
>
> https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html 
> <https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html>
>
> Regards, Sujit
> -- 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jan 10 10:29:00 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:29:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
In-Reply-To: <1c64a323-9bbe-e1e8-2dea-8ee27569b1d9@verizon.net>
References: <CANLCLaEDSTNbmfPyG6sdb1R7K9U2-JWYVOjiRA=VE+TRyTtgCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1c64a323-9bbe-e1e8-2dea-8ee27569b1d9@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <001d01d6e776$1604f870$420ee950$@ranteer.com>

+1 on BPNW

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:59 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677

 

...personally I've found BPNW seems to carry better quality parts than many of the better known suppliers these days.
Example... last Spit resto... the outer door window seals from them actually had the felt on the back (against the glass) not just plain rubber.
And the furflex door seals actually were large enough to properly clip over the seam and capture the edge of the carpet properly with a seal
flexible enough to not impede the door closure....

ptegler

On 1/10/2021 2:39 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:

Anyone got any experience using this cheaper cylinder from BPNW? I need it for a Stag and it shares the same part no. 

 

https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html


 

Regards, Sujit

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sun Jan 10 11:07:45 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:07:45 -0800
Subject: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
In-Reply-To: <001d01d6e776$1604f870$420ee950$@ranteer.com>
References: <CANLCLaEDSTNbmfPyG6sdb1R7K9U2-JWYVOjiRA=VE+TRyTtgCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1c64a323-9bbe-e1e8-2dea-8ee27569b1d9@verizon.net>
 <001d01d6e776$1604f870$420ee950$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaG+Db_yCc2L4fb=9fPnTcj0QWjU8oEgy-v2x-XfEagnJw@mail.gmail.com>

I have bought from BPNW before. Just wondering about the cheaper unit
compared to the more expensive ones he carries. But should be ok else he
probably wouldn't carry it.

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:33 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> +1 on BPNW
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Tegler
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:59 AM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
>
>
>
> ...personally I've found BPNW seems to carry better quality parts than
> many of the better known suppliers these days.
> Example... last Spit resto... the outer door window seals from them
> actually had the felt on the back (against the glass) not just plain rubber.
> And the furflex door seals actually were large enough to properly clip
> over the seam and capture the edge of the carpet properly with a seal
> flexible enough to not impede the door closure....
>
> ptegler
>
> On 1/10/2021 2:39 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>
> Anyone got any experience using this cheaper cylinder from BPNW? I need it
> for a Stag and it shares the same part no.
>
>
>
> https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html
>
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
>
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Sun Jan 10 11:16:57 2021
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 10:16:57 -0800
Subject: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaG+Db_yCc2L4fb=9fPnTcj0QWjU8oEgy-v2x-XfEagnJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEDSTNbmfPyG6sdb1R7K9U2-JWYVOjiRA=VE+TRyTtgCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1c64a323-9bbe-e1e8-2dea-8ee27569b1d9@verizon.net>
 <001d01d6e776$1604f870$420ee950$@ranteer.com>
 <CANLCLaG+Db_yCc2L4fb=9fPnTcj0QWjU8oEgy-v2x-XfEagnJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <002a01d6e77c$c8c36d60$5a4a4820$@net>

I have always found them to be very knowledgeable and helpful when asked. If you have doubts or questions ,call and ask. 

Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 10:08 AM
To: dave
Cc: Triumphs
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677

 

I have bought from BPNW before. Just wondering about the cheaper unit compared to the more expensive ones he carries. But should be ok else he probably wouldn't carry it.

 

On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:33 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

+1 on BPNW

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
Sent: Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:59 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677

 

...personally I've found BPNW seems to carry better quality parts than many of the better known suppliers these days.
Example... last Spit resto... the outer door window seals from them actually had the felt on the back (against the glass) not just plain rubber.
And the furflex door seals actually were large enough to properly clip over the seam and capture the edge of the carpet properly with a seal
flexible enough to not impede the door closure....

ptegler

On 1/10/2021 2:39 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:

Anyone got any experience using this cheaper cylinder from BPNW? I need it for a Stag and it shares the same part no. 

 

https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html


 

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Sun Jan 10 11:42:43 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Sun, 10 Jan 2021 11:42:43 -0700
Subject: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaG+Db_yCc2L4fb=9fPnTcj0QWjU8oEgy-v2x-XfEagnJw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEDSTNbmfPyG6sdb1R7K9U2-JWYVOjiRA=VE+TRyTtgCA@mail.gmail.com>
 <1c64a323-9bbe-e1e8-2dea-8ee27569b1d9@verizon.net>
 <001d01d6e776$1604f870$420ee950$@ranteer.com>
 <CANLCLaG+Db_yCc2L4fb=9fPnTcj0QWjU8oEgy-v2x-XfEagnJw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <5b09203b-dd27-1163-caae-31ac0648db37@porterscustom.com>

"aftermarket parts generally work ok, but usual and frequent re-pipping 
necessary. be prepared... DaveP

On 1/10/2021 11:07 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> I have bought from BPNW before. Just wondering about the cheaper unit 
> compared to the more expensive?ones he carries. But should be ok else 
> he probably wouldn't carry it.
>
> On Sun, Jan 10, 2021, 9:33 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com 
> <mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
>
>     +1 on BPNW
>
>     *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
>     <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *Paul Tegler
>     *Sent:* Sunday, January 10, 2021 7:59 AM
>     *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     *Subject:* Re: [TR] clutch salve cylinder on TR6 and TR250 UKC8677
>
>     ...personally I've found BPNW seems to carry better quality parts
>     than many of the better known suppliers these days.
>     Example... last Spit resto... the outer door window seals from
>     them actually had the felt on the back (against the glass) not
>     just plain rubber.
>     And the furflex door seals actually were large enough to properly
>     clip over the seam and capture the edge of the carpet properly
>     with a seal
>     flexible enough to not impede the door closure....
>
>     ptegler
>
>     On 1/10/2021 2:39 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:
>
>         Anyone got any experience using this cheaper cylinder from
>         BPNW? I need it for a Stag and it shares the same part no.
>
>         https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html
>         <https://www.bpnorthwest.com/clutch-slave-cylinder-tr250-tr6.html>
>
>         Regards, Sujit
>
>         -- 
>
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>         Cupertino, California
>
>
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 11:33:26 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 11:33:26 -0700
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
Message-ID: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>

Listerati,

I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds (65-70mph) with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at higher speeds but then immediately cools off when idling.

I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my Spitfire?s delco remy (friggin spell check made me type that over and over) distributor. I tested the vacuum line from the carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line connects to the vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.

The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing that I can see by watching the vernier advance knob, it does not move at 2500-3000 rpm.

Two questions:

Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work properly?  I couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.

If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance not working or the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?

Thanks
Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 12:03:58 2021
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:03:58 -0600
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
In-Reply-To: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
References: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YBPOKAAx98J7muiHeGF5KSBgZaAKiUyM9rJR=yUsss_Dw@mail.gmail.com>

What carb are you using and where on the carb is the vacuum line
connected?  DGV's are notorious for this, because carb vacuum line is NOT a
manifold vacuum source, it is a venturi vacuum source.

On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:34 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> Listerati,
>
> I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds (65-70mph)
> with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at higher speeds but then
> immediately cools off when idling.
>
> I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my Spitfire?s delco
> remy (friggin spell check made me type that over and over) distributor. I
> tested the vacuum line from the carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line
> connects to the vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.
>
> The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing that I can see
> by watching the vernier advance knob, it does not move at 2500-3000 rpm.
>
> Two questions:
>
> Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work properly?  I
> couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.
>
> If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance not working or
> the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?
>
> Thanks
> Bud
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 13:03:28 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:03:28 -0700
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YBPOKAAx98J7muiHeGF5KSBgZaAKiUyM9rJR=yUsss_Dw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
 <CANuE7YBPOKAAx98J7muiHeGF5KSBgZaAKiUyM9rJR=yUsss_Dw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <825F511D-1ECA-4671-A207-9488D75BBBB7@comcast.net>

I?m using dual 1 1/4? SU carbs. The front carb has a vacuum connection right at the butterfly that pulls no vacuum at idle but 9 psi at > 2000 rpm when the butterfly opens.


> On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:03 PM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What carb are you using and where on the carb is the vacuum line connected?  DGV's are notorious for this, because carb vacuum line is NOT a manifold vacuum source, it is a venturi vacuum source.  
> 
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:34 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net <mailto:levilevi at comcast.net>> wrote:
> Listerati,
> 
> I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds (65-70mph) with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at higher speeds but then immediately cools off when idling.
> 
> I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my Spitfire?s delco remy (friggin spell check made me type that over and over) distributor. I tested the vacuum line from the carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line connects to the vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.
> 
> The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing that I can see by watching the vernier advance knob, it does not move at 2500-3000 rpm.
> 
> Two questions:
> 
> Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work properly?  I couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.
> 
> If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance not working or the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?
> 
> Thanks
> Bud 
> 
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
> 
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Mon Jan 11 14:13:26 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 13:13:26 -0800
Subject: [TR] ref: Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
References: <abfaf45f-0919-e7ac-6cd3-f332d1973712.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <abfaf45f-0919-e7ac-6cd3-f332d1973712@att.net>

The vernier knob is the adjustment knob and does not move under normal 
circumstance.? Vacuum is usually measured in inches of mercury not PSI 
and yes negative 9 PSI at the diaphragm should move the vacuum advance 
plate.? If you remove the cap and apply the vacuum you should see the 
points plate move.? You should check that the rotor arm moves as well by 
turning it by hand.


With a timing light installed you should see the mechanical advance move 
as you go from idle to higher RPM's.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 15:21:12 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 17:21:12 -0500
Subject: [TR] Paint code
Message-ID: <41D508D1-6E16-474F-B3E0-10E0F48CEC19@gmail.com>

Anyone have a paint code for
Modern paints for 1967 TR4aNew White?
Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala do 

From aljlthomson at charter.net  Mon Jan 11 17:36:36 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:36:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
In-Reply-To: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
References: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <00b201d6e87a$fc718300$f5548900$@charter.net>

Any chance that you have a collapsing lower radiator hose that only becomes evident at high RPM? Many lower hoses are equipped with a spring inside to prevent that from happening.

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bud Rolofson
Sent: Monday, January 11, 2021 1:33 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy

Listerati,

I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds (65-70mph) with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at higher speeds but then immediately cools off when idling.

I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my Spitfire?s delco remy (friggin spell check made me type that over and over) distributor. I tested the vacuum line from the carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line connects to the vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.

The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing that I can see by watching the vernier advance knob, it does not move at 2500-3000 rpm.

Two questions:

Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work properly?  I couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.

If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance not working or the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?

Thanks
Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

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From jdinnis at gmail.com  Mon Jan 11 18:01:11 2021
From: jdinnis at gmail.com (John Innis)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 19:01:11 -0600
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
In-Reply-To: <825F511D-1ECA-4671-A207-9488D75BBBB7@comcast.net>
References: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
 <CANuE7YBPOKAAx98J7muiHeGF5KSBgZaAKiUyM9rJR=yUsss_Dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <825F511D-1ECA-4671-A207-9488D75BBBB7@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <CANuE7YBhT-fu4MgR-oi4BRMFeJctxkUhuu9s7Lv8eVefF+tTTg@mail.gmail.com>

That does not sound right to me, normally you expect vacuum to be HIGHEST
at idle and fall off as RPM's increase.  Do you know which model of the
Delco distributor you have?  IIRC there was one that had a vacuum retard,
instead of advance.
WRT your overheating, check your fan clutch.  That sounds like it is not
getting enough air.


On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 2:03 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:

> I?m using dual 1 1/4? SU carbs. The front carb has a vacuum connection
> right at the butterfly that pulls no vacuum at idle but 9 psi at > 2000 rpm
> when the butterfly opens.
>
>
> On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:03 PM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> What carb are you using and where on the carb is the vacuum line
> connected?  DGV's are notorious for this, because carb vacuum line is NOT a
> manifold vacuum source, it is a venturi vacuum source.
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:34 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> wrote:
>
>> Listerati,
>>
>> I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds (65-70mph)
>> with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at higher speeds but then
>> immediately cools off when idling.
>>
>> I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my Spitfire?s delco
>> remy (friggin spell check made me type that over and over) distributor. I
>> tested the vacuum line from the carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line
>> connects to the vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.
>>
>> The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing that I can see
>> by watching the vernier advance knob, it does not move at 2500-3000 rpm.
>>
>> Two questions:
>>
>> Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work properly?  I
>> couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.
>>
>> If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance not working
>> or the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?
>>
>> Thanks
>> Bud
>>
>> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>>
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
>> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
>> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Mon Jan 11 18:07:57 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 01:07:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
In-Reply-To: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
References: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
Message-ID: <1896599852.550904.1610413677595@mail.yahoo.com>

 Are you sure it is the temperature and not just the voltage stabilizer?? Does the fuel gauge stay steady or does it go up at the same time?
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Jan 11, 2021 12:33 pm
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy

Listerati,

I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds (65-70mph) with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at higher speeds but then immediately cools off when idling.

I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my Spitfire?s delco remy (friggin spell check made me type that over and over) distributor. I tested the vacuum line from the carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line connects to the vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.

The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing that I can see by watching the vernier advance knob, it does not move at 2500-3000 rpm.

Two questions:

Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work properly?? I couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.

If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance not working or the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?

Thanks
Bud 

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Jan 11 20:31:19 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:31:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YBhT-fu4MgR-oi4BRMFeJctxkUhuu9s7Lv8eVefF+tTTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
 <CANuE7YBPOKAAx98J7muiHeGF5KSBgZaAKiUyM9rJR=yUsss_Dw@mail.gmail.com>
 <825F511D-1ECA-4671-A207-9488D75BBBB7@comcast.net>
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ditto on the vac description sounding bass-ackwards.
you want little to no vac adv when accelerating (low manifold vacuum) 
and lot on very high manifold vac (cruising/idling)
Vac Adv the vac port is pointing away from the dist body. Vac retard the 
port is on the dist side of the vac assy.

On the heat... VERY common for Spit engines to end up with an air bubble 
trapped in the head.? Sounds odd... but park your car on a very (VERY) 
steep hill or up on high ramps.
check the rad fluid level. Put the cap back on and let it warm up. 
(thermostat opens) Let it cool enough to recheck your rad fluid level.
...betting you'll see the level is lower as the air in the head moves to 
the higher rad upper tank.

It's not so much that the head is above the rad as it is the passage 
ways for the air to escape are below where air can get trapped.

btdt.

ptegler

On 1/11/2021 8:01 PM, John Innis wrote:
> That does not sound right to me, normally you expect vacuum to be 
> HIGHEST at idle and fall off as RPM's increase.? Do you know which 
> model of the Delco distributor you have?? IIRC there was one that had 
> a vacuum retard, instead of advance.
> WRT your overheating, check your fan clutch.? That sounds like it is 
> not getting enough air.
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 2:03 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net 
> <mailto:levilevi at comcast.net>> wrote:
>
>     I?m using dual 1 1/4? SU carbs. The front carb has a vacuum
>     connection right at the butterfly that pulls no vacuum at idle but
>     9 psi at > 2000 rpm when the butterfly opens.
>
>
>>     On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:03 PM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com
>>     <mailto:jdinnis at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     What carb are you using and where on the carb is the vacuum line
>>     connected?? DGV's are notorious for this, because carb vacuum
>>     line is NOT a manifold vacuum source, it is a venturi vacuum source.
>>
>>     On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:34 PM Bud Rolofson
>>     <levilevi at comcast.net <mailto:levilevi at comcast.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         Listerati,
>>
>>         I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds
>>         (65-70mph) with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at
>>         higher speeds but then immediately cools off when idling.
>>
>>         I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my
>>         Spitfire?s delco remy (friggin spell check made me type that
>>         over and over) distributor. I tested the vacuum line from the
>>         carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line connects to the
>>         vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.
>>
>>         The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing
>>         that I can see by watching the vernier advance knob, it does
>>         not move at 2500-3000 rpm.
>>
>>         Two questions:
>>
>>         Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work
>>         properly?? I couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.
>>
>>         If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance
>>         not working or the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?
>>
>>         Thanks
>>         Bud
>>
>>         Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>>
>>         71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>>         71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>>         69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
>>         93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
>>         77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>
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>
>     Bud Rolofson
>
>     Extreme Parts Racing?(more than just a haircut)
>
>     71TR6 CC57365 (Good?6)
>     71 Spitfire MK IV Race?Car #3
>     69 Spitfire MK III (back?up FE engine/dinghy car)
>     93 Minnie Winnie Race?Support Vehicle
>     77 Z-50A Hardly?Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit?Bike)
>
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Jan 11 22:41:04 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 11 Jan 2021 22:41:04 -0700
Subject: [TR] Vacuum Advance of a delco remy
In-Reply-To: <CANuE7YBhT-fu4MgR-oi4BRMFeJctxkUhuu9s7Lv8eVefF+tTTg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <F41FCACC-5844-450E-B016-4FE6692CB92E@comcast.net>
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 <825F511D-1ECA-4671-A207-9488D75BBBB7@comcast.net>
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Message-ID: <E69FB26B-3797-4E8A-B237-992BE370D694@comcast.net>

Thanks,
It's 1969 stock deco remy distributor with a vacuum advance with ported vacuum so there's no vacuum until the throttle plate opens.  When it opens it makes the distributor timing advance via the vac unit.
It's a 69 so no clutch fan.
Thanks
Bud
Sent from my Commodore 64

> On Jan 11, 2021, at 6:01 PM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> That does not sound right to me, normally you expect vacuum to be HIGHEST at idle and fall off as RPM's increase.  Do you know which model of the Delco distributor you have?  IIRC there was one that had a vacuum retard, instead of advance.  
> WRT your overheating, check your fan clutch.  That sounds like it is not getting enough air.  
> 
> 
>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 2:03 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
>> I?m using dual 1 1/4? SU carbs. The front carb has a vacuum connection right at the butterfly that pulls no vacuum at idle but 9 psi at > 2000 rpm when the butterfly opens.
>> 
>> 
>>> On Jan 11, 2021, at 12:03 PM, John Innis <jdinnis at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> What carb are you using and where on the carb is the vacuum line connected?  DGV's are notorious for this, because carb vacuum line is NOT a manifold vacuum source, it is a venturi vacuum source.  
>>> 
>>>> On Mon, Jan 11, 2021 at 12:34 PM Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net> wrote:
>>>> Listerati,
>>>> 
>>>> I?m trouble shooting a overheating problem at highway speeds (65-70mph) with my 69 Spitfire. Temp gage goes to red at higher speeds but then immediately cools off when idling.
>>>> 
>>>> I suspect I have a bad or weaken vacuum advance on my Spitfire?s delco remy (friggin spell check made me type that over and over) distributor. I tested the vacuum line from the carb and it gets to 9 psi where the line connects to the vacuum advance when the engine is at 2500-3000 RPM.
>>>> 
>>>> The problem is there is no movement to advance the timing that I can see by watching the vernier advance knob, it does not move at 2500-3000 rpm.
>>>> 
>>>> Two questions:
>>>> 
>>>> Should 9 psi be enough for the vacuum advance to work properly?  I couldn?t find specs for vacuum advances.
>>>> 
>>>> If the vernier knob isn?t moving then is the vacuum advance not working or the centrifugal weights not moving? Or maybe both?
>>>> 
>>>> Thanks
>>>> Bud 
>>>> 
>>>> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>>>> 
>>>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>>>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>>>> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
>>>> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
>>>> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>>>> 
>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>> 
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>>> =================================
>>> = Never offend people with style when you   =
>>> = can offend with substance --- Sam Brown  =
>>> =================================
>> 
>> Bud Rolofson
>> 
>> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>> 
>> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
>> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
>> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
>> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
>> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
> 
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Jan 12 15:23:45 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 16:23:45 -0600
Subject: [TR] close ratio steering
Message-ID: <000001d6e931$97dd9980$c798cc80$@ranteer.com>

British Parts Northwest sells a close ratio (2.5 turns lock to lock)
steering rack for the TR4a - TR6

 

Moss Motors sells a close ratio (2.5 turns lock to lock) steering rack for
the TR4 - TR6

 

I'm not sure that they are different.  I tend to buy from BPNW if I can.

 

Has anyone installed either product on a TR4?  Mine is CT9683; I'm wondering
if it will fit.  FYI it is very TR3 in so many ways; I refer to it as a TR3
with roll up windows

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From jbmills at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 12 16:00:04 2021
From: jbmills at roadrunner.com (Jim Mills)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 15:00:04 -0800
Subject: [TR] close ratio steering
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I got one from Moss for my TR4, but have not installed it.  Good luck.

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of dave
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 2:24 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] close ratio steering

 

British Parts Northwest sells a close ratio (2.5 turns lock to lock)
steering rack for the TR4a - TR6

 

Moss Motors sells a close ratio (2.5 turns lock to lock) steering rack for
the TR4 - TR6

 

I'm not sure that they are different.  I tend to buy from BPNW if I can.

 

Has anyone installed either product on a TR4?  Mine is CT9683; I'm wondering
if it will fit.  FYI it is very TR3 in so many ways; I refer to it as a TR3
with roll up windows

 

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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Tue Jan 12 16:07:19 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 18:07:19 -0500
Subject: [TR] close ratio steering
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Dave, You should ask Moss and BPNW your question but I believe it will not. The answer might be yes if you can confirm an early TR4 rack is the same PN as a late TR4 and a TR4A. I do recall hearing of failure of the close ratio racks as they were not ?pinned? and the tube would loosen. I also seem to recall if the racks were made in Argentina that those were the ones which failed. You might try Googling TR4 Steering rack failures too.
JVV 


From: dave 
Sent: Tuesday, January 12, 2021 5:23 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] close ratio steering

British Parts Northwest sells a close ratio (2.5 turns lock to lock) steering rack for the TR4a ? TR6

 

Moss Motors sells a close ratio (2.5 turns lock to lock) steering rack for the TR4 ? TR6

 

I?m not sure that they are different.  I tend to buy from BPNW if I can.

 

Has anyone installed either product on a TR4?  Mine is CT9683; I?m wondering if it will fit.  FYI it is very TR3 in so many ways; I refer to it as a TR3 with roll up windows



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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Jan 12 18:00:13 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 12 Jan 2021 17:00:13 -0800
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
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hello Ed.
The corvette ones seem to have 3 ports at the back of the reservoir whereas
the Stag pump only has two. Do you know what that third one is for?
Sujit

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 8:21 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

> I used a power steering pump for a 1967 Corvette to replace the one in
> my Stag.  The basic pump is the same but I did have to swap the
> reservoir tank.
>
> I swapped the relief valve tension spring as well but I honestly could
> not see a difference between them. I was just being careful as US cars
> generally run higher line pressure which can damage the rack seals.
>
>
> Edward Hamer
>
> Petaluma CA
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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Wed Jan 13 12:38:27 2021
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:38:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] {TR} HIgh ratio steering racks
Message-ID: <00af01d6e9e3$aaedd690$00c983b0$@optonline.net>

"dave" <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > Wrote:

 

>Has anyone installed either product on a TR4?  Mine is CT9683; I'm
wondering if it will fit.  

Dave - 

    FWIW, information published with Moss's quick rack says it's for "TR4
from CT20064" and also happens to say it is "not suitable for racing of any
kind". YMMV. 

 

Dennis Culligan, Highland, NY 

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From dctr6 at optonline.net  Wed Jan 13 12:46:44 2021
From: dctr6 at optonline.net (dctr6 at optonline.net)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:46:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] [TR} High ratio steering racks - correction
Message-ID: <00c401d6e9e4$d31d81f0$795885d0$@optonline.net>

Oops - The instructions have been revised since the copy I have. The revised
directions for the Moss rack now simply states "Please note: all our Triumph
racks are for street use, not racing."

Dennis Culligan

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From koblinger at verizon.net  Wed Jan 13 15:29:08 2021
From: koblinger at verizon.net (Kurt Oblinger)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 14:29:08 -0800
Subject: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
References: <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C.ref@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C@verizon.net>

I am after the mounting plate that bolts to the chassis that the rear gearbox mount then bolts to for a GT6 with overdrive. Anyone have one they may want to part with? I believe the part number is 147629.

Cheers,
Kurt Oblinger

Sent from my iPad

From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Jan 13 16:59:23 2021
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 13 Jan 2021 17:59:23 -0600
Subject: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
In-Reply-To: <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C@verizon.net>
References: <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C.ref@verizon.net>
 <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <fc0c33d3-a34a-df2f-28a4-c2fbc9374117@rmi.net>

If you don't find it elsewhere, SpitBits carries them.
https://www.spitbits.com/store/Search.aspx?k=147629

Roger

On 1/13/21 4:29 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote:
> I am after the mounting plate that bolts to the chassis that the rear gearbox mount then bolts to for a GT6 with overdrive. Anyone have one they may want to part with? I believe the part number is 147629.
>
> Cheers,
> Kurt Oblinger
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Thu Jan 14 06:12:21 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 08:12:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
In-Reply-To: <fc0c33d3-a34a-df2f-28a4-c2fbc9374117@rmi.net>
References: <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C.ref@verizon.net>
 <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C@verizon.net>
 <fc0c33d3-a34a-df2f-28a4-c2fbc9374117@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <001a01d6ea76$e4f06a90$aed13fb0$@charter.net>

What a great commentary on the Triumph community - a specialty part for a 50
year old car is still available for what I think is a small cost.

Best to all.

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger
Elliott
Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 6:59 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate

If you don't find it elsewhere, SpitBits carries them.
https://www.spitbits.com/store/Search.aspx?k=147629

Roger

On 1/13/21 4:29 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote:
> I am after the mounting plate that bolts to the chassis that the rear
gearbox mount then bolts to for a GT6 with overdrive. Anyone have one they
may want to part with? I believe the part number is 147629.
>
> Cheers,
> Kurt Oblinger
>
> Sent from my iPad
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 11:33:01 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 10:33:01 -0800
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
In-Reply-To: <YQXPR0101MB0789383F4D7EB05604EFCAC5D4A80@YQXPR0101MB0789.CANPRD01.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>
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Here are images of pumps I see

https://www.google.com/search?q=saginaw+pump&rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS886US886&sxsrf=ALeKk01EVtrEEWdynYkG9jXEqKKpas1bbA:1610648643142&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFwu3hhZzuAhVNbKwKHdb8C9QQ_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1481&bih=715#imgrc=NaekECcKK-2cUM

Here' what I am trying to do. I am looking for a cheap complete power
steering pump for a Stag including reservoir. Since the Saginaw pump was
used all over the palace, I'm hoping to get one for pennies. The ones I see
seem to have three ports at the back of the reservoir. The Stag only has
two ports HT out in reguler in. Which looks similar to the one
mentioned for the Corvette. I doubt I can get one for a Corvette on the
cheap.

For the pumps with three ports, is the guts of the pump different?

Sujit

On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:49 PM Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca> wrote:

> Hi Sujit,
>
>
>
> Seeing your note I immediately thought of my friend Brad who has a ?67
> Corvette which currently has all components out of the engine bay.  I asked
> him about the 3 ports.  Here?s his response:
>
>
>
> Brian,
>
>
>
> Not sure what he's on about with that pump.
>
> Mine is an original 67 engine and correct PS pump.
>
> There are clearly only two hose (HP & Return)
>
> A couple threaded mounting studs and that's it.
>
> Also, the pump and reservoir are integral.  See pic following:
>
>
>
>
>
> - Brad
>
>
>
> Maybe Ed doesn?t have a ?67 Corvette pump?  Does the Stag?s look like this
> one?
>
>
>
> Cheers,
>
>
>
> Brian
>
> _____________________________________________________
>
> Brian Thomas                            E-Mail:  Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca
>
> 92 Wyona Lane                          Phone:  613-385-1947
>
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>
> Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR,  75 John Deere
> 920
>
>
>
>
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Sujit
> Roy
> *Sent:* January 12, 2021 8:00 PM
> *To:* Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
> *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] Power steering rack questions
>
>
>
> hello Ed.
>
> The corvette ones seem to have 3 ports at the back of the reservoir
> whereas the Stag pump only has two. Do you know what that third one is for?
>
> Sujit
>
>
>
> On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 8:21 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:
>
> I used a power steering pump for a 1967 Corvette to replace the one in
> my Stag.  The basic pump is the same but I did have to swap the
> reservoir tank.
>
> I swapped the relief valve tension spring as well but I honestly could
> not see a difference between them. I was just being careful as US cars
> generally run higher line pressure which can damage the rack seals.
>
>
> Edward Hamer
>
> Petaluma CA
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Jan 14 14:18:09 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 13:18:09 -0800
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
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Someone on another forum mentioned that this 3rd port is a "spare return
port is used for a power steering cooling line or a return line from a
hydro booster.
it can be capped.

Sujit

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021 at 11:12 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:

> These pictures are showing two ports and two mounting devices.  The
> return port is the one with the curved tube and the pressure port is
> just to the left.  The Hex is a bolt head for the reservoir and the stud
> is the other reservoir mount with a provision for part of the pump
> mounting bracket.
>
> Edward Hamer
>
> Petaluma CA
>
> On 1/14/2021 10:33 AM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> >
> > Here are images of pumps I see
> >
> >
> https://www.google.com/search?q=saginaw+pump&rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS886US886&sxsrf=ALeKk01EVtrEEWdynYkG9jXEqKKpas1bbA:1610648643142&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFwu3hhZzuAhVNbKwKHdb8C9QQ_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1481&bih=715#imgrc=NaekECcKK-2cUM
> > <
> https://www.google.com/search?q=saginaw+pump&rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS886US886&sxsrf=ALeKk01EVtrEEWdynYkG9jXEqKKpas1bbA:1610648643142&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFwu3hhZzuAhVNbKwKHdb8C9QQ_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1481&bih=715#imgrc=NaekECcKK-2cUM
> >
> >
> > Here' what I am trying to do. I am looking for a cheap complete power
> > steering pump for a Stag including reservoir. Since the Saginaw pump
> > was used all over the palace, I'm hoping to get one for pennies. The
> > ones I see seem to have three ports at the back of the reservoir. The
> > Stag only has two ports HT out in reguler in. Which looks similar to
> > the one mentioned for the Corvette. I doubt I can get one for
> > a Corvette on the cheap.
> >
> > For the pumps with three ports, is the guts of the pump different?
> >
> > Sujit
> >
> > On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:49 PM Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca
> > <mailto:thomasb at queensu.ca>> wrote:
> >
> >     Hi Sujit,
> >
> >     Seeing your note I immediately thought of my friend Brad who has a
> >     ?67 Corvette which currently has all components out of the engine
> >     bay.  I asked him about the 3 ports.  Here?s his response:
> >
> >     Brian,
> >
> >     Not sure what he's on about with that pump.
> >
> >     Mine is an original 67 engine and correct PS pump.
> >
> >     There are clearly only two hose (HP & Return)
> >
> >     A couple threaded mounting studs and that's it.
> >
> >     Also, the pump and reservoir are integral.  See pic following:
> >
> >     - Brad
> >
> >     Maybe Ed doesn?t have a ?67 Corvette pump?  Does the Stag?s look
> >     like this one?
> >
> >     Cheers,
> >
> >     Brian
> >
> >     _____________________________________________________
> >
> >     Brian Thomas E-Mail: Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca
> >     <mailto:Brian.Thomas at QueensU.Ca>
> >
> >     92 Wyona Lane Phone:  613-385-1947
> >
> >     Wolfe Island, Ontario Toys:  54 TR2,  56 TR3,  67 TR4A,
> >
> >     Canada  K0H 2Y0                                   01 XKR, 75 John
> >     Deere 920
> >
> >     *From:*Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
> >     <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>> *On Behalf Of *Sujit Roy
> >     *Sent:* January 12, 2021 8:00 PM
> >     *To:* Q <HDRider570 at att.net <mailto:HDRider570 at att.net>>
> >     *Cc:* Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net
> >     <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
> >     *Subject:* Re: [TR] Power steering rack questions
> >
> >     hello Ed.
> >
> >     The corvette ones seem to have 3 ports at the back of the
> >     reservoir whereas the Stag pump only has two. Do you know what
> >     that third one is for?
> >
> >     Sujit
> >
> >     On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 8:21 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net
> >     <mailto:HDRider570 at att.net>> wrote:
> >
> >         I used a power steering pump for a 1967 Corvette to replace
> >         the one in
> >         my Stag.  The basic pump is the same but I did have to swap the
> >         reservoir tank.
> >
> >         I swapped the relief valve tension spring as well but I
> >         honestly could
> >         not see a difference between them. I was just being careful as
> >         US cars
> >         generally run higher line pressure which can damage the rack
> >         seals.
> >
> >
> >         Edward Hamer
> >
> >         Petaluma CA
> >
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Fri Jan 15 03:58:23 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 05:58:23 -0500
Subject: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
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Looks like it makes a difference which type of overdrive you have ,..

On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 08:12 Alex & Janet Thomson <aljlthomson at charter.net>
wrote:

> What a great commentary on the Triumph community - a specialty part for a
> 50
> year old car is still available for what I think is a small cost.
>
> Best to all.
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Roger
> Elliott
> Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 6:59 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
>
> If you don't find it elsewhere, SpitBits carries them.
> https://www.spitbits.com/store/Search.aspx?k=147629
>
> Roger
>
> On 1/13/21 4:29 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote:
> > I am after the mounting plate that bolts to the chassis that the rear
> gearbox mount then bolts to for a GT6 with overdrive. Anyone have one they
> may want to part with? I believe the part number is 147629.
> >
> > Cheers,
> > Kurt Oblinger
> >
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Jan 15 06:27:18 2021
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 06:27:18 -0700
Subject: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
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On 1/14/21 6:12 AM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> What a great commentary on the Triumph community - a specialty part for a 50
> year old car is still available for what I think is a small cost.


I had more trouble getting parts for a 2000 Chevy S10 than any of my 
Triumphs.

mjb.



From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Thu Jan 14 11:58:05 2021
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Thu, 14 Jan 2021 18:58:05 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Power steering rack questions
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 The one on my '72 Corvette has 2 ports.? Think is was under $40 from Rockauto.com??
Chad in Tulsa
    On Thursday, January 14, 2021, 12:54:13 PM CST, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 
Here are images of pumps I see
https://www.google.com/search?q=saginaw+pump&rlz=1C1EJFA_enUS886US886&sxsrf=ALeKk01EVtrEEWdynYkG9jXEqKKpas1bbA:1610648643142&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiFwu3hhZzuAhVNbKwKHdb8C9QQ_AUoAnoECBIQBA&biw=1481&bih=715#imgrc=NaekECcKK-2cUM

Here' what I am trying?to do. I am looking for a cheap complete power steering?pump for a Stag including?reservoir. Since the Saginaw pump was used all over the palace, I'm hoping?to get one for pennies. The ones I see seem to have three ports at the back of the reservoir. The Stag only has two ports HT out in reguler in. Which looks similar to the one mentioned?for the Corvette. I doubt I can get one for a?Corvette on the cheap.
For the pumps with three ports, is the guts of the pump different?
Sujit
On Wed, Jan 13, 2021 at 8:49 PM Brian Thomas <thomasb at queensu.ca> wrote:


Hi Sujit,

?

Seeing your note I immediately thought of my friend Brad who has a ?67 Corvette which currently has all components out of the engine bay.? I asked him about the 3 ports.? Here?s his response:

?

Brian,

?

Not sure what he's on about with that pump.

Mine is an original 67 engine and correct PS pump.

There are clearly only two hose (HP & Return)

A couple threaded mounting studs and that's it.

Also, the pump and reservoir are integral.? See pic following:

?



?

- Brad

?

Maybe Ed doesn?t have a ?67 Corvette pump?? Does the Stag?s look like this one?

?

Cheers,

?

Brian

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?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net>On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: January 12, 2021 8:00 PM
To: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Power steering rack questions

?

hello Ed.

The corvette?ones seem to have 3 ports at the?back of the reservoir whereas the Stag pump only has two. Do you know?what that third?one is for?

Sujit

?

On Fri, Jan 8, 2021 at 8:21 AM Q <HDRider570 at att.net> wrote:


I used a power steering pump for a 1967 Corvette to replace the one in
my Stag.? The basic pump is the same but I did have to swap the 
reservoir tank.

I swapped the relief valve tension spring as well but I honestly could 
not see a difference between them. I was just being careful as US cars 
generally run higher line pressure which can damage the rack seals.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri Jan 15 11:59:31 2021
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 18:59:31 +0000
Subject: [TR] Dale Bates
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Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California .
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Fri Jan 15 12:58:36 2021
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 13:58:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
In-Reply-To: <CAO8Q7CNqsOqtnmCAM1icTo5QFVUzna4s9Hvv32qPY3CUiAmuDw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C.ref@verizon.net>
 <77DE7E82-8DCE-4FED-BE22-D108A71BEA2C@verizon.net>
 <fc0c33d3-a34a-df2f-28a4-c2fbc9374117@rmi.net>
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I think all of the overdrive mounts for factory installed ODs are 
available for the Spitfire and GT6.
D and J mounts are available for Spitfires.
D mounts are available for GT6 - which is all that was installed by the 
factory.

Roger

On 1/15/21 4:58 AM, Jeff Scarbrough wrote:
> Looks like it makes a difference which type of overdrive you have ,..
>
> On Thu, Jan 14, 2021, 08:12 Alex & Janet Thomson 
> <aljlthomson at charter.net <mailto:aljlthomson at charter.net>> wrote:
>
>     What a great commentary on the Triumph community - a specialty
>     part for a 50
>     year old car is still available for what I think is a small cost.
>
>     Best to all.
>
>     Alex Thomson
>
>     -----Original Message-----
>     From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net
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>     Elliott
>     Sent: Wednesday, January 13, 2021 6:59 PM
>     To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>     Subject: Re: [TR] Wanted: GT6 O/D mounting plate
>
>     If you don't find it elsewhere, SpitBits carries them.
>     https://www.spitbits.com/store/Search.aspx?k=147629
>     <https://www.spitbits.com/store/Search.aspx?k=147629>
>
>     Roger
>
>     On 1/13/21 4:29 PM, Kurt Oblinger wrote:
>     > I am after the mounting plate that bolts to the chassis that the
>     rear
>     gearbox mount then bolts to for a GT6 with overdrive. Anyone have
>     one they
>     may want to part with? I believe the part number is 147629.
>     >
>     > Cheers,
>     > Kurt Oblinger
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From dlhogye at comcast.net  Fri Jan 15 13:02:32 2021
From: dlhogye at comcast.net (Dave Hogye)
Date: Fri, 15 Jan 2021 12:02:32 -0800
Subject: [TR] [Fot] Dale Bates
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Dale passed away 3 years ago.  
I bought my cars from him and later acquired most of his parts collection. 
Dave H. 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 15, 2021, at 10:59 AM, T. R. Householder via Fot <fot at autox.team.net> wrote:
> 
> Dale Bates a Triumph guy had a shop north of Santa Cruz California . Anyone know if he is still around?
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sat Jan 16 08:47:18 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 09:47:18 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4
Message-ID: <000a01d6ec1e$deea7650$9cbf62f0$@ranteer.com>

Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it
that quickly!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY

 

it look like an early car - it has the round engine mounts, but it also has
ZS carbs.

 

Clearly I was wrong - I thought the ZS didn't appear until the TR4a

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From salty1249y at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 09:27:55 2021
From: salty1249y at gmail.com (Michael Burdick)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 10:27:55 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4
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FWIW, I have 2 '64 TR4s (CT28xxx and CT35xxx) and both have ZS carbs with
the same crankcase vent system (valve cover vent into "flame trap"
branching into the air filter housings).  My assumption was that this set
up was implemented for the 1964 model year only...

Cheers,
Mike

On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:47 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it
> that quickly!!!
>
>
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY
>
>
>
> it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also
> has ZS carbs.
>
>
>
> Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
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From john at linneyweb.com  Sat Jan 16 09:40:37 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 08:40:37 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4
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Mine is a December 1963 built TR4 with crank breather tube, twin ZS and valve cover vent to the carbs. I researched this some time ago and it seemed the ZS carbs were introduced late summer of ?63. 

> On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Michael Burdick <salty1249y at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> FWIW, I have 2 '64 TR4s (CT28xxx and CT35xxx) and both have ZS carbs with the same crankcase vent system (valve cover vent into "flame trap" branching into the air filter housings).  My assumption was that this set up was implemented for the 1964 model year only...
> 
> Cheers,
> Mike
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:47 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.
>> 
>>  
>> 
>> Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
>> 
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From deruiterville at hotmail.com  Sat Jan 16 10:35:14 2021
From: deruiterville at hotmail.com (Randy and Valerie DeRuiter)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 17:35:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4
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Thanks for the link - I?ve not been able to see the full episode on cable so this was entertaining.

It?s fun too to spot some technical bloopers that I?m sure happen in all of these shows -  when he installs the lightened flywheel you can still see the stock rear oil seal instead of the blue anodized newer seal.  Plus I sure hope they cut out the part of bearing shell renewal or at least inspection intentionally - anyone pulling a whole engine, dropping the sump and adding an expensive lightened flywheel shouldn?t ignore those bits.

Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2021, at 9:48 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

?
Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY

it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.

Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sat Jan 16 10:42:08 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 17:42:08 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <9153E4F7-C901-40D8-BA9E-4BAE29A7C537@linneyweb.com>
References: <CAOp9YTJYWNhhoF16qcMbODb6RdgmoZ6-BB-q7sNbnyeenoTFyQ@mail.gmail.com>
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The Stromberg carb was designed jointly by my old friend Dennis Barbet of Standard Triumph and Harry Cartwright of Zenith UK to break the patents held by SU and also to break the monopoly SU held at the time across the U.K. motor industry. You?ll find further info on this if you put Dennis Barbet into Google and then click on the Wikipedia link.

Jonmac

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> On 16 Jan 2021, at 16:40, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
> 
> Mine is a December 1963 built TR4 with crank breather tube, twin ZS and valve cover vent to the carbs. I researched this some time ago and it seemed the ZS carbs were introduced late summer of ?63. 
> 
>> On Jan 16, 2021, at 8:28 AM, Michael Burdick <salty1249y at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> FWIW, I have 2 '64 TR4s (CT28xxx and CT35xxx) and both have ZS carbs with the same crankcase vent system (valve cover vent into "flame trap" branching into the air filter housings).  My assumption was that this set up was implemented for the 1964 model year only...
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> Mike
>> 
>>> On Sat, Jan 16, 2021 at 9:47 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.
>>> 
>>>  
>>> 
>>> Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
>>> 
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sat Jan 16 11:05:30 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 13:05:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <000a01d6ec1e$deea7650$9cbf62f0$@ranteer.com>
References: <000a01d6ec1e$deea7650$9cbf62f0$@ranteer.com>
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Hello,

When I restored my 63 4 I installed SU HS6 carbs. It came with regular 
H6s but I decided it was easier to get a set off of ebay than to send 
them out for rebuild. No problems for well over 15 years. Crankcase vent 
system same as my 3.

Bob

On 1/16/21 10:47 AM, dave wrote:
>
> Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.? Wish I could do 
> it that quickly!!!
>
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY
>
> it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it 
> also has ZS carbs.
>
> Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
>
>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 11:55:27 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 12:55:27 -0600
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <f947cb70-682c-304e-0bff-de852f73216a@adelphia.net>
References: <f947cb70-682c-304e-0bff-de852f73216a@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <B44AEA38-B37C-4AFF-9491-8DABB47724DF@yahoo.com>

Pretty clean assembly when you don?t use any sealers.  Good video, shows there really is nothing to be afraid of as long as you are careful.  
Bill B
TS30800L


#dontkillgrandma

On Jan 16, 2021, at 12:06 PM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

?
Hello,

When I restored my 63 4 I installed SU HS6 carbs. It came with regular H6s but I decided it was easier to get a set off of ebay than to send them out for rebuild. No problems for well over 15 years. Crankcase vent system same as my 3. 

Bob

On 1/16/21 10:47 AM, dave wrote:
> Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY
>  
> it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.
>  
> Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
> 
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sat Jan 16 12:35:31 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:35:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4
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TR4s started with SU H6 carbs, did a trial run of ZS carbs (1000 I think), then went back to H6s before they switched to ZS for a longer run. Eventually the ZS carbs were replaced by the SU HS6 carb for the rest of the TR4A run. Somewhere in my notes I have the dates and the VIN numbers. I am happy to dig them out if anyone really cares ? I have the H6 carbs on my 57 TR3 (John Swauger?s uncle?s car) and HS6 carbs on my 62 TR4 and 67 TR4A. Obviously the HS6 carbs are not original to this early TR4.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: January 16, 2021 10:47 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4

 

Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY

 

it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.

 

Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a

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From ryel at mac.com  Sat Jan 16 12:44:39 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 11:44:39 -0800
Subject: [TR] Wheeler Dealers - TR4 Episode
References: <6A07A217-D70D-4444-98EE-C84F21B6E676@mac.com>
Message-ID: <52AB1710-6A30-4792-AC39-A82441E97523@mac.com>

OK all you TR4 owners, and TR3 owners as well since it?s the same engine, I just watched season 16, episode 11, of Wheeler Dealers where they find a rust free one owner 1964 TR4 that was stored for 20+ years in southern California, and go through it.  

Having rebuilt my engine it was a kick to see Ants dismantle and assemble all the parts I did.  Upgrading to a lightened flywheel, water pump, alternator, Viton main seal and more.  Mike even flew to England and to a factory to get a new door skin that Ants then replaced on the drivers door.  It was left with other paint chips and patina to make it a "perfect imperfect car?, a driver.

If you have Xfinity you can probably watch it on demand on the Motor Trend Channel.  If you go to the Motor Trend website there is a 30 day free trail.

Great car which they sold for $16K

Rye
1960 TR3A

From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 16 14:50:10 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 16:50:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] Wheeler Dealers - TR4 Episode
In-Reply-To: <52AB1710-6A30-4792-AC39-A82441E97523@mac.com>
References: <6A07A217-D70D-4444-98EE-C84F21B6E676@mac.com>
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I saw that one too. Door gaps looked great. Very original car down to the original Triumph convertible top with Triumph logo etching.  Surprised they could find a door in California, but enjoyed watching the British Motor Heritage group make a new door skin from the original Triumph tooling.  I'm saving that episode!  I get it on Hulu.
Cheers,
Jim henningsen

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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 2:45 PM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Wheeler Dealers - TR4 Episode

OK all you TR4 owners, and TR3 owners as well since it?s the same engine, I just watched season 16, episode 11, of Wheeler Dealers where they find a rust free one owner 1964 TR4 that was stored for 20+ years in southern California, and go through it.  

Having rebuilt my engine it was a kick to see Ants dismantle and assemble all the parts I did.  Upgrading to a lightened flywheel, water pump, alternator, Viton main seal and more.  Mike even flew to England and to a factory to get a new door skin that Ants then replaced on the drivers door.  It was left with other paint chips and patina to make it a "perfect imperfect car?, a driver.

If you have Xfinity you can probably watch it on demand on the Motor Trend Channel.  If you go to the Motor Trend website there is a 30 day free trail.

Great car which they sold for $16K

Rye
1960 TR3A
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From jbmills at roadrunner.com  Sat Jan 16 15:14:08 2021
From: jbmills at roadrunner.com (James B Mills)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:14:08 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <06ac01d6ec3e$c0e997b0$42bcc710$@bell.net>
References: <06ac01d6ec3e$c0e997b0$42bcc710$@bell.net>
Message-ID: <60419322-F04C-421D-8B44-009FE891525B@roadrunner.com>

I enjoyed the video, but feel it lacked a real disassembly/reassembly description.  My ?63 TR4 is in my garage - in pieces, including the engine.  I took it completely apart with the intention of a complete restoration (not to the level of competing at shows - want to drive it again, like I did when I was 26 [am 76 now].  The reassembly task is very intimidating for fear I?ll screw it up.  Are there other videos out there that that show a complete reassembly?  Also, for you folks that have the valve cover vent to carb filters:  there are no filters to accommodate that.  How have others handled this?  My car is a SoCal TR4, and model was listed by the DMV as a 1965 because that was the year it was 1st registered (CA law).  CT37815 L

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, keithstewart at bell.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> TR4s started with SU H6 carbs, did a trial run of ZS carbs (1000 I think), then went back to H6s before they switched to ZS for a longer run. Eventually the ZS carbs were replaced by the SU HS6 carb for the rest of the TR4A run. Somewhere in my notes I have the dates and the VIN numbers. I am happy to dig them out if anyone really cares ? I have the H6 carbs on my 57 TR3 (John Swauger?s uncle?s car) and HS6 carbs on my 62 TR4 and 67 TR4A. Obviously the HS6 carbs are not original to this early TR4.
>  
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net
>  
>  
>  
> From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
> Sent: January 16, 2021 10:47 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR4
>  
> Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY
>  
> it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.
>  
> Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Sat Jan 16 15:49:28 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 22:49:28 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <60419322-F04C-421D-8B44-009FE891525B@roadrunner.com>
References: <06ac01d6ec3e$c0e997b0$42bcc710$@bell.net>
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 Jameswhere are you located?putting a motor back together is no great task. its just bolting parts together.google assembling motors. and just take it head on


    On Saturday, January 16, 2021, 02:14:47 PM PST, James B Mills <jbmills at roadrunner.com> wrote:  
 
 I enjoyed the video, but feel it lacked a real disassembly/reassembly description. ?My ?63 TR4 is in my garage - in pieces, including the engine. ?I took it completely apart with the intention of a complete restoration (not to the level of competing at shows - want to drive it again, like I did when I was 26 [am 76 now]. ?The reassembly task is very intimidating for fear I?ll screw it up. ?Are there other videos out there that that show a complete reassembly? ?Also, for you folks that have the valve cover vent to carb filters: ?there are no filters to accommodate that. ?How have others handled this? ?My car is a SoCal TR4, and model was listed by the DMV as a 1965 because that was the year it was 1st registered (CA law). ?CT37815 L
Sent from my iPhone

On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, keithstewart at bell.net wrote:



?

TR4s started with SU H6 carbs, did a trial run of ZS carbs (1000 I think), then went back to H6s before they switched to ZS for a longer run. Eventually the ZS carbs were replaced by the SU HS6 carb for the rest of the TR4A run. Somewhere in my notes I have the dates and the VIN numbers. I am happy to dig them out if anyone really cares ? I have the H6 carbs on my 57 TR3 (John Swauger?s uncle?s car) and HS6 carbs on my 62 TR4 and 67 TR4A. Obviously the HS6 carbs are not original to this early TR4.

 ?

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 ?

 ?

 ?

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
Sent: January 16, 2021 10:47 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4

 ?

Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.? Wish I could do it that quickly!!!

 ?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY

 ?

it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.

 ?

Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
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From tr3abobm77 at frontier.com  Sun Jan 17 10:35:30 2021
From: tr3abobm77 at frontier.com (Triumph)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 12:35:30 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <60419322-F04C-421D-8B44-009FE891525B@roadrunner.com>
References: <06ac01d6ec3e$c0e997b0$42bcc710$@bell.net>
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Just found a guy named Elin Yakov that has series of 6 20 minute or so YouTube videos that speak to your concerns. 

The engine starts already disassembled so the videos only concern reassembly and afterwards.

It looks pretty thorough. Here is the link to the first.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2ntv1dJP0

 

As for the Wheeler Dealers TR4 episode, I have seen the whole show twice now and was glad they did something of direct interest to me. 

However I noticed a couple of points that I took issue with. First, I have the same Marx rear seal and per the instructions the aluminum halves are supposed to be centered with the supplied tool without the crank being in the way and Ant didn?t do it that way.  Second, Ant should really learn the difference between an alternator and a generator. Entertaining either way. LOL

 

Bob Maassel

59 TR3A Megasquirt Fuel Injected plus numerous other upgrades.

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James B Mills
Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 5:14 PM
To: keithstewart at bell.net
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4

 

I enjoyed the video, but feel it lacked a real disassembly/reassembly description.  My ?63 TR4 is in my garage - in pieces, including the engine.  I took it completely apart with the intention of a complete restoration (not to the level of competing at shows - want to drive it again, like I did when I was 26 [am 76 now].  The reassembly task is very intimidating for fear I?ll screw it up.  Are there other videos out there that that show a complete reassembly?  Also, for you folks that have the valve cover vent to carb filters:  there are no filters to accommodate that.  How have others handled this?  My car is a SoCal TR4, and model was listed by the DMV as a 1965 because that was the year it was 1st registered (CA law).  CT37815 L

 

Sent from my iPhone





On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net>  wrote:

?

TR4s started with SU H6 carbs, did a trial run of ZS carbs (1000 I think), then went back to H6s before they switched to ZS for a longer run. Eventually the ZS carbs were replaced by the SU HS6 carb for the rest of the TR4A run. Somewhere in my notes I have the dates and the VIN numbers. I am happy to dig them out if anyone really cares ? I have the H6 carbs on my 57 TR3 (John Swauger?s uncle?s car) and HS6 carbs on my 62 TR4 and 67 TR4A. Obviously the HS6 carbs are not original to this early TR4.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net <mailto:keithstewart at bell.net> 

 

 

 

From: dave <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > 
Sent: January 16, 2021 10:47 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net> 
Subject: [TR] TR4

 

Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!

 

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY

 

it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.

 

Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Sun Jan 17 13:37:54 2021
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Sun, 17 Jan 2021 15:37:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4
Message-ID: <5264683d24318a0297d0c5ed02cdeed1@mail.gmail.com>

>Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:14:08 -0800

>From: James B Mills <jbmills at roadrunner.com>

>Subject: Re: [TR] TR4

>

>I enjoyed the video, but feel it lacked a real disassembly/reassembly
description.  My ?63 TR4 is in my garage - in pieces, including the
engine.  I took it completely apart with the intention of a complete
restoration (not to the level of competing at shows - want >to drive it
again, like I did when I was 26 [am 76 now].  The reassembly task is very
intimidating for fear I?ll screw it up.  Are there other videos out there
that that show a complete reassembly?



Dave ?Tush? Tushingham has an extensive range of videos on YouTube. Tush is
a past President of the Toronto Triumph Club and has documented several
restorations in great detail: a TR6, 2 x TR3A, and a TR4 among others.
Currently, he?s working on a TR250. As an example, each TR3A restoration
has over 100 videos! You can find him on YouTube by searching for
?cheftush?. Here?s a link: https://www.youtube.com/c/cheftush/featured



Elin Yakov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8MBWMaGHLbGwDrrzbddevA) was
also mentioned. He and Dave are good friends and often appear in each
other?s videos. Elin has a playlist documenting a TR4 engine rebuild.



Good luck!



Dave MacKay

1960 TR3A s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada
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From jbmills at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 18 02:10:51 2021
From: jbmills at roadrunner.com (James B Mills)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:10:51 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <5264683d24318a0297d0c5ed02cdeed1@mail.gmail.com>
References: <5264683d24318a0297d0c5ed02cdeed1@mail.gmail.com>
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Thanks Dave !

Jim Mills

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2021, at 12:37 PM, Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:
> 
> ?
> >Date: Sat, 16 Jan 2021 14:14:08 -0800
> >From: James B Mills <jbmills at roadrunner.com>
> >Subject: Re: [TR] TR4
> > 
> >I enjoyed the video, but feel it lacked a real disassembly/reassembly description.  My ?63 TR4 is in my garage - in pieces, including the engine.  I took it completely apart with the intention of a complete restoration (not to the level of competing at shows - want >to drive it again, like I did when I was 26 [am 76 now].  The reassembly task is very intimidating for fear I?ll screw it up.  Are there other videos out there that that show a complete reassembly? 
>  
> Dave ?Tush? Tushingham has an extensive range of videos on YouTube. Tush is a past President of the Toronto Triumph Club and has documented several restorations in great detail: a TR6, 2 x TR3A, and a TR4 among others. Currently, he?s working on a TR250. As an example, each TR3A restoration has over 100 videos! You can find him on YouTube by searching for ?cheftush?. Here?s a link: https://www.youtube.com/c/cheftush/featured
>  
> Elin Yakov (https://www.youtube.com/channel/UC8MBWMaGHLbGwDrrzbddevA) was also mentioned. He and Dave are good friends and often appear in each other?s videos. Elin has a playlist documenting a TR4 engine rebuild.
>  
> Good luck!
>  
> Dave MacKay
> 1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
> near Toronto, Canada
>  
>  
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From jbmills at roadrunner.com  Mon Jan 18 02:12:46 2021
From: jbmills at roadrunner.com (James B Mills)
Date: Mon, 18 Jan 2021 01:12:46 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4
In-Reply-To: <000401d6ecf7$27391d20$75ab5760$@frontier.com>
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Thanks Bob.

Jim Mills

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 17, 2021, at 9:35 AM, Triumph <tr3abobm77 at frontier.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Just found a guy named Elin Yakov that has series of 6 20 minute or so YouTube videos that speak to your concerns.
> The engine starts already disassembled so the videos only concern reassembly and afterwards.
> It looks pretty thorough. Here is the link to the first.   https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0O2ntv1dJP0
>  
> As for the Wheeler Dealers TR4 episode, I have seen the whole show twice now and was glad they did something of direct interest to me.
> However I noticed a couple of points that I took issue with. First, I have the same Marx rear seal and per the instructions the aluminum halves are supposed to be centered with the supplied tool without the crank being in the way and Ant didn?t do it that way.  Second, Ant should really learn the difference between an alternator and a generator. Entertaining either way. LOL
>  
> Bob Maassel
> 59 TR3A Megasquirt Fuel Injected plus numerous other upgrades.
>  
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of James B Mills
> Sent: Saturday, January 16, 2021 5:14 PM
> To: keithstewart at bell.net
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4
>  
> I enjoyed the video, but feel it lacked a real disassembly/reassembly description.  My ?63 TR4 is in my garage - in pieces, including the engine.  I took it completely apart with the intention of a complete restoration (not to the level of competing at shows - want to drive it again, like I did when I was 26 [am 76 now].  The reassembly task is very intimidating for fear I?ll screw it up.  Are there other videos out there that that show a complete reassembly?  Also, for you folks that have the valve cover vent to carb filters:  there are no filters to accommodate that.  How have others handled this?  My car is a SoCal TR4, and model was listed by the DMV as a 1965 because that was the year it was 1st registered (CA law).  CT37815 L
>  
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
> 
> On Jan 16, 2021, at 11:39 AM, keithstewart at bell.net wrote:
> 
> ?
> TR4s started with SU H6 carbs, did a trial run of ZS carbs (1000 I think), then went back to H6s before they switched to ZS for a longer run. Eventually the ZS carbs were replaced by the SU HS6 carb for the rest of the TR4A run. Somewhere in my notes I have the dates and the VIN numbers. I am happy to dig them out if anyone really cares ? I have the H6 carbs on my 57 TR3 (John Swauger?s uncle?s car) and HS6 carbs on my 62 TR4 and 67 TR4A. Obviously the HS6 carbs are not original to this early TR4.
>  
> Keith Stewart
> keithstewart at bell.net
>  
>  
>  
> From: dave <dave at ranteer.com> 
> Sent: January 16, 2021 10:47 AM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR4
>  
> Here is an interesting video of a TR4 engine refresh.  Wish I could do it that quickly!!!
>  
> https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GAl_ScYOOY
>  
> it look like an early car ? it has the round engine mounts, but it also has ZS carbs.
>  
> Clearly I was wrong ? I thought the ZS didn?t appear until the TR4a
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Tue Jan 19 14:53:39 2021
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 21:53:39 +0000
Subject: [TR] Old Triumph Dealer
Message-ID: <3ab4f87e8deba0f2c2c96c2411da2b10816a7f7f@webmail>

Who would have been the Triumph Dealer around Ontario California era
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Jan 19 18:47:44 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 20:47:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A badge bar
Message-ID: <8651896F-2AF5-4DE4-AD09-2AC4F3EAC280@gmail.com>

Anyone have an original Amco badge bar for TR4A they would be willing to sell or trade?  I have a really really nice Amco TR4 badge bar and other TR bits.
Many thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

From HDRider570 at att.net  Wed Jan 20 12:34:19 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 11:34:19 -0800
Subject: [TR] Sports Six Carpet installation
References: <1192bac0-b1ce-d34b-f156-6d61878b8356.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <1192bac0-b1ce-d34b-f156-6d61878b8356@att.net>

I recently replaced the carpets in my 1963 Sports Six with a Newton 
Commercial molded carpet set purchased through Rimmer Brothers in the 
UK.? The same carpet set is used in Vitesses and Heralds.

I made a video so if anyone is interested you can find it on YouTube at;

https://youtu.be/zPYeDd8zAA8 <https://youtu.be/zPYeDd8zAA8>

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From dave at mdmackay.ca  Wed Jan 20 13:14:00 2021
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Wed, 20 Jan 2021 15:14:00 -0500
Subject: [TR] Old Triumph Dealer
Message-ID: <cde3adb49b33d40e173bcf1af80774c9@mail.gmail.com>

>Date: Tue, 19 Jan 2021 21:53:39 +0000
>From: mailto:trhouse at columbus.rr.com
>Subject: [TR] Old Triumph Dealer
>
> Who would have been the Triumph Dealer around Ontario California era 60s?

Cal Sales was the Triumph distributor for the Western United States (more
than just California). It was owned by Walter G. Danielson, Dorothy Deen,
and Paul Bernhardt. They were located in Gardena, California. Here are two
articles about Dorothy Deen and Cal Sales:
https://www.hagerty.com/media/archived/dorothy-deen/ and
http://www.doretti.co.uk/page9.htm

Kas Kastner worked for Cal Sales.

Cal Sales was the basis of a dealer network set up to handle the
distribution of Standard-Triumph and Doretti (and Peerless, for a while)
cars in the American states west of the Mississippi. I came across a court
case from a dealer disgruntled with Cal Sales for not renewing his fanchise
(see https://casetext.com/case/barney-motor-sales-v-cal-sales).

According to the Wikipedia entry on Kas, ?The Cal Sales distributorship was
purchased by the Triumph parent company in October 1960.?

There is a Facebook page devoted to Triumph Car dealers. See:
https://www.facebook.com/TriumphCarDealers/. I have copied this information
from a blog referenced there.
      	Triumph Car Main Distributor List for USA in 1962
	The Triumph Herald owners handbooks for the USA market included a list of
the main distributors.  I have extracted this information from the USA
Triumph Herald Coupe and Convertible 	Owners Handbook for 1959-62.

	Arizona, California, Colorado, Idaho, Montana, Nevada, Oregon, Utah,
Washington, Wyoming
	CAL SALES, INC., 1957 West 144th Street, Gardena, California
	Telephone: Davis 9-7575
Perhaps that Facebook site can help with more information about the dealers
carrying Triumph in the Los Angeles area in the 60s.

My TR3A was sold by Cal Sales. Although my car is a 1960, it wasn?t
registered until 1962.

Regards,

Dave MacKay
1960 TR3A s/n 68639L
Near Toronto, Canada

From auprichard at uprichard.net  Fri Jan 22 13:39:36 2021
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard at uprichard.net)
Date: Fri, 22 Jan 2021 15:39:36 -0500
Subject: [TR] Looking for a bonnet pull cable for an early TR2
Message-ID: <00a601d6f0fe$b3412a00$19c37e00$@uprichard.net>

I am looking for a NOS (or excellent condition) bonnet release cable with
the bone-colored pull knob for an early TR2. Please let me know if you have
one you'd be willing to part with.  Thanks!

Andrew Uprichard

Jackson, Michigan 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 10:23:55 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 09:23:55 -0800
Subject: [TR] Is the Roadster factory sending out their bi- weekly email?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaEW6btg4ybTnwCdd4WzaF677o3LqQ7CSwekN2en3f_=vw@mail.gmail.com>

I don't seem to recall seeing any emails. Usually they have some promotion
or discount in shipping.
Sujit

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From levilevi at comcast.net  Mon Jan 25 11:30:01 2021
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 11:30:01 -0700
Subject: [TR] Two good vender experiences.
Message-ID: <0DFDD6B2-C187-49CA-808D-79F868412F62@comcast.net>

Listerati,

I wanted to share two good experiences I had just lately with a British Car business here in Colorado and one in the UK.

I recently queried the list about my Spitfire overheating at highway speeds, I got a lot of suggestions (thanks to all) and it turned out to be a bad vacuum advance unit on the stock and original delco remy distributor. I visited Sportswear Craftsman in Arvada CO and Paul Dierschow the owner pulled a box of distributors from his vast collection (and organized in huge storage containers) of British car parts with the type of advance unit I needed. He let me chose one I tested as good, unscrewed it from the distributor and then gave it to me for free. No charge for his time in digging out a dozen dizzies or for the part. I have been a long time customer but still I thought it worth a shout out.

The other vender is ClassicCarbs in the UK. I had bought a set of mesh/gauze air filters for my weber carbs but there was some confusion as to the definition of what a gauze filter means. They meant gauze metal screen and I was thinking cloth/paper type gauze filtering material. Although I was outside the return time they graciously let me return them. I had to pay half the return shipping but I got a full refund. They were very open to discussing the issue and deserve credit for meeting me half way.

I complain plenty when I?ve felt unfair treatment by a vendor so I wanted to make mention when things go right too.

Thanks
Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)


From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Mon Jan 25 12:22:42 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 13:22:42 -0600
Subject: [TR] Is the Roadster factory sending out their bi- weekly email?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEW6btg4ybTnwCdd4WzaF677o3LqQ7CSwekN2en3f_=vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEW6btg4ybTnwCdd4WzaF677o3LqQ7CSwekN2en3f_=vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <71CFD850-F1AB-47FE-8E35-16D18F660A7F@yahoo.com>

Haven?t seen anything for a few weeks now. 
B

#dontkillgrandma

On Jan 25, 2021, at 11:24 AM, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

?
I don't seem to recall seeing any emails. Usually they have some promotion or discount in shipping. 
Sujit

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Mon Jan 25 12:29:51 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 14:29:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Is the Roadster factory sending out their bi- weekly email?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEW6btg4ybTnwCdd4WzaF677o3LqQ7CSwekN2en3f_=vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEW6btg4ybTnwCdd4WzaF677o3LqQ7CSwekN2en3f_=vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <031a01d6f350$73bf2bd0$5b3d8370$@bell.net>

Yes, they are but they have become very brief of late.

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> 
Sent: January 25, 2021 12:24 PM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Is the Roadster factory sending out their bi- weekly email?

 

I don't seem to recall seeing any emails. Usually they have some promotion or discount in shipping. 

Sujit

 

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From lee at automate-it.com  Mon Jan 25 16:43:51 2021
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 17:43:51 -0600
Subject: [TR] Is the Roadster factory sending out their bi- weekly email?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaEW6btg4ybTnwCdd4WzaF677o3LqQ7CSwekN2en3f_=vw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaEW6btg4ybTnwCdd4WzaF677o3LqQ7CSwekN2en3f_=vw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <b04e947b52a8e7581c886967b3883207@automate-it.com>

> I don't seem to recall seeing any emails. Usually they have some
> promotion or discount in shipping. 

Here's the last one I received - Jan. 5 

 - Lee 

---------- Forwarded message ---------
From: The Roadster Factory <newsletter at trfmail.com>
Date: Tue, Jan 5, 2021 at 11:46 AM
Subject: Trim Sale Ends Today

Sale on Tops, Tonneaus, Seat Upholstery, Trim Panels, and Carpet Sets
ends today!  

 		View this email in your browser [1]

 		 [2]

 THE ROADSTER FACTORY.    EMAIL FROM ALBERT.   
JANUARY 5, 2021. 

Sale On Tops, Tonneaus and Hoodstick Covers--Sale Prices Valid through
January 5th--Click Here For Details [3] 

Sale On Seat Upholstery--Sale Prices Valid through January 5th--Click
Here For Details [4] 

Sale On Trim Panel Sets--Sale Prices Valid through January 5th--Click
Here For Details [5] 

Sale On Carpet Sets--Sale Prices Valid through January 5th--Click Here
For Details [6] 

Online Catalogs For Your Car--TR2/3/3A, TR4/4A, TR250/TR6, Spitfire,
MGB--CLICK HERE [7] 

TRF Car Club Benefit for January--Half-Price Shipping--CLICK HERE FOR
DETAILS [8] 

Looking for a car?  Have a car to sell?  Check out the TRF Classified
Section [9]--Listings are Free! 

Dear TRF Customer-

I hope you had some nice holidays and 2021 is off to a good start for
you.  I just wanted to remind you the trim sale officially ends today,
but we'll apply the pricing to any orders we process on Wednesday. 
Also, if you are still waiting for samples due to the delays with the
mail, we'll work with you once you do receive them.

I hope you have a great week.

best,
Albert
TRF 

 		 [10]

 		 [11]

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 		 [13]

 _Copyright (c) 2021 The Roadster Factory, All rights reserved._ 
You are receiving this email because you opted in via our website. 

Our mailing address is: 
The Roadster Factory 

328 Killen Rd Armagh, PA 15920-9242 
Add us to your address book [14] 

  

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 16:53:25 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 15:53:25 -0800
Subject: [TR] Diff seals
Message-ID: <CANLCLaE1go2QYuAMFQOzZ+OBqevAtL6iOj8HB0jzhB91PFCqVA@mail.gmail.com>

Hoping to source this part locally at Napa or similar It's a diff seal for
a triumph. Used on many Triumphs including Stag


138523

Sujit


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From salty1249y at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 17:08:27 2021
From: salty1249y at gmail.com (Michael Burdick)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 18:08:27 -0600
Subject: [TR] Diff seals
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaE1go2QYuAMFQOzZ+OBqevAtL6iOj8HB0jzhB91PFCqVA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaE1go2QYuAMFQOzZ+OBqevAtL6iOj8HB0jzhB91PFCqVA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAOp9YTLZQz7+VdGfuNeT3OGrPtvm4sc4CBEK2QUyuyFjkvm02w@mail.gmail.com>

According to Rockauto, Timken p/n 470487N fits the Stag.

Hope this helps!

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 5:54 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hoping to source this part locally at Napa or similar It's a diff seal for
> a triumph. Used on many Triumphs including Stag
>
>
> 138523
>
> Sujit
>
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 17:28:35 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 16:28:35 -0800
Subject: [TR] Diff seals
In-Reply-To: <CAOp9YTLZQz7+VdGfuNeT3OGrPtvm4sc4CBEK2QUyuyFjkvm02w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaE1go2QYuAMFQOzZ+OBqevAtL6iOj8HB0jzhB91PFCqVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOp9YTLZQz7+VdGfuNeT3OGrPtvm4sc4CBEK2QUyuyFjkvm02w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaG4C2hwjyZz4Oc4o+3A2VdAvo8exQr7ZfGJqFatuWvCBg@mail.gmail.com>

Hello Michael,
Thanks. regular ones from the usual places are about $1.50 but shipping it
usually 3x that.

Sujit



On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 4:08 PM Michael Burdick <salty1249y at gmail.com>
wrote:

> According to Rockauto, Timken p/n 470487N fits the Stag.
>
> Hope this helps!
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 5:54 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hoping to source this part locally at Napa or similar It's a diff seal
>> for a triumph. Used on many Triumphs including Stag
>>
>>
>> 138523
>>
>> Sujit
>>
>>
>> --
>> Sujit Roy
>> Cupertino, California
>>
>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Jan 25 21:31:32 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 25 Jan 2021 22:31:32 -0600
Subject: [TR] Diff seals
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaG4C2hwjyZz4Oc4o+3A2VdAvo8exQr7ZfGJqFatuWvCBg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaE1go2QYuAMFQOzZ+OBqevAtL6iOj8HB0jzhB91PFCqVA@mail.gmail.com>
 <CAOp9YTLZQz7+VdGfuNeT3OGrPtvm4sc4CBEK2QUyuyFjkvm02w@mail.gmail.com>
 <CANLCLaG4C2hwjyZz4Oc4o+3A2VdAvo8exQr7ZfGJqFatuWvCBg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aZwPH2qJwhvj6pu1xii_HssM=0ow34yCSBqphhrkGDVRA@mail.gmail.com>

Rock Auto usually offers first class USPS on small stuff, you can choose
the option on checkout, wish more vendors would do that, LBCarco will do
that too.

Greg Lemon

On Mon, Jan 25, 2021, 6:29 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:

> Hello Michael,
> Thanks. regular ones from the usual places are about $1.50 but shipping it
> usually 3x that.
>
> Sujit
>
>
>
> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 4:08 PM Michael Burdick <salty1249y at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>> According to Rockauto, Timken p/n 470487N fits the Stag.
>>
>> Hope this helps!
>>
>> On Mon, Jan 25, 2021 at 5:54 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Hoping to source this part locally at Napa or similar It's a diff seal
>>> for a triumph. Used on many Triumphs including Stag
>>>
>>>
>>> 138523
>>>
>>> Sujit
>>>
>>>
>>> --
>>> Sujit Roy
>>> Cupertino, California
>>>
>>> https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
>>>
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>>
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From joemato at sbcglobal.net  Tue Jan 26 05:33:43 2021
From: joemato at sbcglobal.net (JOSEPH MATO)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 12:33:43 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Sir John Black
References: <918503653.161115.1611664423119.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <918503653.161115.1611664423119@mail.yahoo.com>

https://fliphtml5.com/wqfc/lhby

He was born Feb 10,1895. His son Nick wrote a book on his life which you can read before we start up and drive the cars he inspired. Joe Mato
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Tue Jan 26 15:18:36 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:18:36 +0000
Subject: [TR] Sir John Black
In-Reply-To: <918503653.161115.1611664423119@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <918503653.161115.1611664423119.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <918503653.161115.1611664423119@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <E0AB7E65-1902-4C6C-B414-53F6910C3CEC@Ukpips.org.uk>

I?d like to know if Nick Black sanctioned or is at ease with the fact that his book is replicated on the internet for anyone to access for zero cost? 
If he is, well and good. 
It?s worth mentioning that several people in the U.K. spent a lot of time with Nick in giving him material and photographs to illustrate his tribute to his Dad - and i was one of them. It then took him one helluva long time to write it and then publish his finished work which takes the reader a long way into the enigmatic persona of Sir John and his massive contribution to British industry over several decades.
IF - and it?s a big if, that book has been uploaded to the internet without Nicks knowledge or approval, then whoever did it is guilty of the heinous crime of serious copyright infringement and deserves to have themselves dragged through crushed glass!
My two pennyworth fwiw.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 26 Jan 2021, at 12:33, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:
> 
> https://fliphtml5.com/wqfc/lhby
> 
> He was born Feb 10,1895. His son Nick wrote a book on his life which you can read before we start up and drive the cars he inspired. Joe Mato
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Tue Jan 26 15:27:11 2021
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:27:11 -0800
Subject: [TR] Sir John Black
In-Reply-To: <E0AB7E65-1902-4C6C-B414-53F6910C3CEC@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <918503653.161115.1611664423119.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <918503653.161115.1611664423119@mail.yahoo.com>
 <E0AB7E65-1902-4C6C-B414-53F6910C3CEC@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <00ad01d6f432$646ee660$2d4cb320$@net>

John,

I don?t know about that particular posting, but Nick?s book is on the Triumph Travelers web site https://triumphtravelers.org/ with his permission. Look in the Quick Links box on the right side of the home page.

Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 2:19 PM
To: JOSEPH MATO
Cc: TR List
Subject: Re: [TR] Sir John Black

 

I?d like to know if Nick Black sanctioned or is at ease with the fact that his book is replicated on the internet for anyone to access for zero cost? 

If he is, well and good. 

It?s worth mentioning that several people in the U.K. spent a lot of time with Nick in giving him material and photographs to illustrate his tribute to his Dad - and i was one of them. It then took him one helluva long time to write it and then publish his finished work which takes the reader a long way into the enigmatic persona of Sir John and his massive contribution to British industry over several decades.

IF - and it?s a big if, that book has been uploaded to the internet without Nicks knowledge or approval, then whoever did it is guilty of the heinous crime of serious copyright infringement and deserves to have themselves dragged through crushed glass!

My two pennyworth fwiw.

 

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.


On 26 Jan 2021, at 12:33, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net> wrote:

https://fliphtml5.com/wqfc/lhby

 

He was born Feb 10,1895. His son Nick wrote a book on his life which you can read before we start up and drive the cars he inspired. Joe Mato

 

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From HDRider570 at att.net  Tue Jan 26 15:31:33 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:31:33 -0800
Subject: [TR] Ref: Diff seals (Sujit Roy)
References: <412abdf4-5d52-7a22-5654-91287244ef28.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <412abdf4-5d52-7a22-5654-91287244ef28@att.net>

Take the old seal to NAPA Auto or any decent bearing and Seal shop.? 
They should be able to match it from the numbers on the seal.? The 
Triumph part number will mean nothing to them but seal numbers are 
standardized so no matter which seal manufacturer it is from they should 
be able too ID it.

I have done this with several different Triumph and Rover seals with 
great success.? I have not gotten a Stag diff seal yet though.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Tue Jan 26 15:34:34 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 22:34:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] Ref: Diff seals (Sujit Roy)
In-Reply-To: <412abdf4-5d52-7a22-5654-91287244ef28@att.net>
References: <412abdf4-5d52-7a22-5654-91287244ef28.ref@att.net>,
 <412abdf4-5d52-7a22-5654-91287244ef28@att.net>
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB14617F40D84D9EC75C8B2660FABC9@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I?m confused by the original question ? the NapaOnline catalog lists both pinion and output seals for the Triumph Stag.


Sent from Mail<https://go.microsoft.com/fwlink/?LinkId=550986> for Windows 10

From: Q<mailto:HDRider570 at att.net>
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 3:32 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Ref: Diff seals (Sujit Roy)

Take the old seal to NAPA Auto or any decent bearing and Seal shop.
They should be able to match it from the numbers on the seal.  The
Triumph part number will mean nothing to them but seal numbers are
standardized so no matter which seal manufacturer it is from they should
be able too ID it.

I have done this with several different Triumph and Rover seals with
great success.  I have not gotten a Stag diff seal yet though.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA

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From ryel at mac.com  Tue Jan 26 15:40:04 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 14:40:04 -0800
Subject: [TR] Sir John Black
In-Reply-To: <E0AB7E65-1902-4C6C-B414-53F6910C3CEC@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <918503653.161115.1611664423119.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <918503653.161115.1611664423119@mail.yahoo.com>
 <E0AB7E65-1902-4C6C-B414-53F6910C3CEC@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <66108760-995C-4893-B10F-6D7D5A684387@mac.com>

John,

That is a very smart and wise question, and I can attest to saying yes, he?s fully aware and gave consent for the book to be out on the internet for free.  

I?ve been in contact with Nick Black for several years now since I started Drive Your Triumph Day.  He sent me the book in PDF with the OK to distribute it and post it to our club website, https://triumphtravelers.org <https://triumphtravelers.org/>.  Shortly after that he sent me a DVD with some home movies of his father when he was just an infant.

June of last year I sent him a copy of the Vintage Triumph Register with several pages of photos I?d received for DYTD.  This is the email he sent me:

Rye
Just read through the VTR magazine. Your article is very interesting and seeing all those Triumphs and Standards represented is truly amazing. The thought of a 99 year old driving a Spitfire is inspirational, I must say.
Greetings to you and your family with thanks too for your kindness.
Nick

He also included a photo.

Let me know of any questions you may have and I?d be happy to forward them to Nick.

Regards,

Rye





> On Jan 26, 2021, at 2:18 PM, John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> I?d like to know if Nick Black sanctioned or is at ease with the fact that his book is replicated on the internet for anyone to access for zero cost? 
> If he is, well and good. 
> It?s worth mentioning that several people in the U.K. spent a lot of time with Nick in giving him material and photographs to illustrate his tribute to his Dad - and i was one of them. It then took him one helluva long time to write it and then publish his finished work which takes the reader a long way into the enigmatic persona of Sir John and his massive contribution to British industry over several decades.
> IF - and it?s a big if, that book has been uploaded to the internet without Nicks knowledge or approval, then whoever did it is guilty of the heinous crime of serious copyright infringement and deserves to have themselves dragged through crushed glass!
> My two pennyworth fwiw.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
> 
> On 26 Jan 2021, at 12:33, JOSEPH MATO <joemato at sbcglobal.net <mailto:joemato at sbcglobal.net>> wrote:
> 
>> https://fliphtml5.com/wqfc/lhby <https://fliphtml5.com/wqfc/lhby>
>> 
>> He was born Feb 10,1895. His son Nick wrote a book on his life which you can read before we start up and drive the cars he inspired. Joe Mato
>> 
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Tue Jan 26 17:02:08 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 16:02:08 -0800
Subject: [TR] Did any Triumph use this leather lined seal?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGGJcRKh+DFjC53s6r__XoROShREgKrLHiWfXma66tF6w@mail.gmail.com>

I have a leather lined seal part no. 963061A.Made in UK  I got it with a
Stag and I had thought it was for the differential. However, It is too big.
Did any other Triump use this type of seal and what car used it?


Regards, Sujit


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https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Tue Jan 26 19:25:09 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Tue, 26 Jan 2021 21:25:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Did any Triumph use this leather lined seal?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGGJcRKh+DFjC53s6r__XoROShREgKrLHiWfXma66tF6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGGJcRKh+DFjC53s6r__XoROShREgKrLHiWfXma66tF6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <36c00ac0-2d0e-c442-a70c-a6f94dc9ae25@verizon.net>

sure...many older models did. OEM or not, they were avail. I've found 
them? in 60's and 70's vintage GT6's and Spit trannies I rebuilt over 
the decades

ptegler

On 1/26/2021 7:02 PM, Sujit Roy wrote:
> I have a leather lined seal part no. 963061A.Made in UK? I got it with 
> a Stag and I had thought it was for the differential. However, It is 
> too big.
> Did any other Triump?use this type of seal and what car used it?
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
> -- 
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
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> <https://triumphstagblog.wordpress.com/>
>
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jan 27 02:39:32 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 04:39:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] Did any Triumph use this leather lined seal?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGGJcRKh+DFjC53s6r__XoROShREgKrLHiWfXma66tF6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGGJcRKh+DFjC53s6r__XoROShREgKrLHiWfXma66tF6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <001501d6f490$50f91f20$f2eb5d60$@charter.net>

Leather was used extensively for a seal material years ago. Although they were bought out by SKF some ten years ago or so, the Chicago Rawhide company was probably the biggest or second biggest manufacturer of shaft seals in the U.S. Any seal that had a C/R stamped in it next to the part number was one of their products. National is the other big manufacturer and I think they might be part of Timken now.

 

Alex Thomson

 

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Sujit Roy
Sent: Tuesday, January 26, 2021 7:02 PM
To: Triumphs
Subject: [TR] Did any Triumph use this leather lined seal?

 

I have a leather lined seal part no. 963061A.Made in UK  I got it with a Stag and I had thought it was for the differential. However, It is too big.

Did any other Triump use this type of seal and what car used it?

 

 

Regards, Sujit




 

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 09:47:39 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 11:47:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] Did any Triumph use this leather lined seal?
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaGGJcRKh+DFjC53s6r__XoROShREgKrLHiWfXma66tF6w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaGGJcRKh+DFjC53s6r__XoROShREgKrLHiWfXma66tF6w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CNfdwU-LDQCPubCju+jYPOGjbvdEj6tWv25MJ=B0YPSkQ@mail.gmail.com>

I've found them a lot on various cars as grease seals on front hubs.

On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 7:03 PM Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I have a leather lined seal part no. 963061A.Made in UK  I got it with a Stag and I had thought it was for the differential. However, It is too big.
> Did any other Triump use this type of seal and what car used it?
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Wed Jan 27 09:55:40 2021
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 16:55:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] Did any Triumph use this leather lined seal?
Message-ID: <1ce9e5d06d25bc07d056060e00bf1e560876ab15@webmail>

TR2 rear axel seals were leather I believe

	-----------------------------------------From: "Jeff Scarbrough" 
To: "Sujit Roy"
Cc: "Triumphs"
Sent: Wednesday January 27 2021 11:48:23AM
Subject: Re: [TR] Did any Triumph use this leather lined seal?

 I've found them a lot on various cars as grease seals on front hubs.

 On Tue, Jan 26, 2021 at 7:03 PM Sujit Roy  wrote:
 >
 > I have a leather lined seal part no. 963061A.Made in UK I got it
with a Stag and I had thought it was for the differential. However, It
is too big.
 > Did any other Triump use this type of seal and what car used it?
 >
 >
 > Regards, Sujit
 >
 >
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 > Cupertino, California
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Jan 27 13:50:04 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 15:50:04 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
Message-ID: <36CC69B4-5834-4AB0-A006-1B5F03F2CFA2@fuse.net>

Hi All,
One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing. 
I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
Thanks in advance,
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 14:35:16 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 16:35:16 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <36CC69B4-5834-4AB0-A006-1B5F03F2CFA2@fuse.net>
References: <36CC69B4-5834-4AB0-A006-1B5F03F2CFA2@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <41088454-62ac-cce0-0b5f-5467f2b4c7ff@verizon.net>

...not sure of the coil spec...but just for a reference....
a normal buss style fuse marked 'rating' is the spec holding current. 
(should not blow) It can take 10+ minutes to blow at 25% over the spec
The 'voltage' rating is the guaranteed 'disconnect blocking' voltage 
after the fuse blows.

So your horns must be spiking higher than the fuse rating to blow it quickly

ptegler


On 1/27/2021 3:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> Hi All,
> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing.
> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave Connitt
>
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Jan 27 14:43:38 2021
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 16:43:38 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <36CC69B4-5834-4AB0-A006-1B5F03F2CFA2@fuse.net>
References: <36CC69B4-5834-4AB0-A006-1B5F03F2CFA2@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwhzw4A-f3ctT8xzkH8yzBQYxek8HWjB1As3Aq=CqSZdwg@mail.gmail.com>

Dave;

I assume you've checked the ground wires for each horn....

Dave

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 3:50 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:

> Hi All,
> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A
> keeps blowing.
> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The
> harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the
> restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue
> there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need
> your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both
> of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the
> fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the
> resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15
> amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a
> horn coil resistance on a good horn?
> Thanks in advance,
> Dave Connitt
>
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Jan 27 14:46:11 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 16:46:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <41088454-62ac-cce0-0b5f-5467f2b4c7ff@verizon.net>
References: <41088454-62ac-cce0-0b5f-5467f2b4c7ff@verizon.net>
Message-ID: <76D0E91F-5820-4859-8300-915FE2AD8849@fuse.net>

I read through my Advanced AutoWire manual just now and it specifies a horn circuit max. current of 15 amps so I will need to find some horns that have a coil resistance of about 1 ohm if I don?t change anything else. I know the relay is rated at 30 amps. 
Sigh..
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ?...not sure of the coil spec...but just for a reference....
> a normal buss style fuse marked 'rating' is the spec holding current. (should not blow) It can take 10+ minutes to blow at 25% over the spec
> The 'voltage' rating is the guaranteed 'disconnect blocking' voltage after the fuse blows.
> 
> So your horns must be spiking higher than the fuse rating to blow it quickly
> 
> ptegler
> 
> 
>> On 1/27/2021 3:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing.
>> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave Connitt
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jan 27 15:05:09 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:05:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <76D0E91F-5820-4859-8300-915FE2AD8849@fuse.net>
References: <41088454-62ac-cce0-0b5f-5467f2b4c7ff@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <00a201d6f4f8$7a6fc3a0$6f4f4ae0$@charter.net>

I thought that many electric horns had an adjustment screw on them to set the operating current. Does that seem familiar to anyone?

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:46 PM
To: Paul Tegler
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Horn Question

I read through my Advanced AutoWire manual just now and it specifies a horn circuit max. current of 15 amps so I will need to find some horns that have a coil resistance of about 1 ohm if I don?t change anything else. I know the relay is rated at 30 amps. 
Sigh..
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ?...not sure of the coil spec...but just for a reference....
> a normal buss style fuse marked 'rating' is the spec holding current. (should not blow) It can take 10+ minutes to blow at 25% over the spec
> The 'voltage' rating is the guaranteed 'disconnect blocking' voltage after the fuse blows.
> 
> So your horns must be spiking higher than the fuse rating to blow it quickly
> 
> ptegler
> 
> 
>> On 1/27/2021 3:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing.
>> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave Connitt
>> 
>> Sent from my iPhone
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From aljlthomson at charter.net  Wed Jan 27 15:10:44 2021
From: aljlthomson at charter.net (Alex & Janet Thomson)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:10:44 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <00a201d6f4f8$7a6fc3a0$6f4f4ae0$@charter.net>
References: <41088454-62ac-cce0-0b5f-5467f2b4c7ff@verizon.net>
 <76D0E91F-5820-4859-8300-915FE2AD8849@fuse.net>
 <00a201d6f4f8$7a6fc3a0$6f4f4ae0$@charter.net>
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I should have searched first - here's a link.

http://www.rjh-heritage.ch/index_htm_files/Lucas%20Workshop%20Horns%209H.pdf 

Alex Thomson

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From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Alex & Janet Thomson
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 5:05 PM
To: 'Dave Connitt'; 'Paul Tegler'
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Horn Question

I thought that many electric horns had an adjustment screw on them to set the operating current. Does that seem familiar to anyone?

Alex Thomson

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:46 PM
To: Paul Tegler
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Horn Question

I read through my Advanced AutoWire manual just now and it specifies a horn circuit max. current of 15 amps so I will need to find some horns that have a coil resistance of about 1 ohm if I don?t change anything else. I know the relay is rated at 30 amps. 
Sigh..
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ?...not sure of the coil spec...but just for a reference....
> a normal buss style fuse marked 'rating' is the spec holding current. (should not blow) It can take 10+ minutes to blow at 25% over the spec
> The 'voltage' rating is the guaranteed 'disconnect blocking' voltage after the fuse blows.
> 
> So your horns must be spiking higher than the fuse rating to blow it quickly
> 
> ptegler
> 
> 
>> On 1/27/2021 3:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing.
>> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave Connitt
>> 
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Jan 27 15:20:33 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:20:33 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhzw4A-f3ctT8xzkH8yzBQYxek8HWjB1As3Aq=CqSZdwg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhzw4A-f3ctT8xzkH8yzBQYxek8HWjB1As3Aq=CqSZdwg@mail.gmail.com>
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Yes, I have a good ground, 
Thanks,
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:44 PM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Dave;
> 
> I assume you've checked the ground wires for each horn....
> 
> Dave
> 
>> On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 3:50 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>> Hi All,
>> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing. 
>> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
>> Thanks in advance,
>> Dave Connitt 
>> 
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Wed Jan 27 15:33:59 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 17:33:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <4D9DD39F5409448784C6872C93E38D78@VlackTK121647>
References: <4D9DD39F5409448784C6872C93E38D78@VlackTK121647>
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Hi Jerry,
The horn button controls a specific ?horn? relay in this harness but it?s recommended current limit is 15 amps. The horns I have pull 17.25 amps. The horns I have are new and I bet the original ones needed less current. I am going to call Scott Harper tomorrow and see if he has some old ones. 
I thought about increasing the wire size of the horn circuit.
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 27, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Dave are you going thru a relay? If yes then which fuse is blowing? You could always increase the wire sizing from the relay to the horn and fuse it accordingly. But why am I even giving advice to an EE?
> JVV
> 
> -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:46 PM
> To: Paul Tegler
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
> 
> I read through my Advanced AutoWire manual just now and it specifies a horn circuit max. current of 15 amps so I will need to find some horns that have a coil resistance of about 1 ohm if I don?t change anything else. I know the relay is rated at 30 amps.
> Sigh..
> Dave Connitt
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>> ?...not sure of the coil spec...but just for a reference....
>> a normal buss style fuse marked 'rating' is the spec holding current. (should not blow) It can take 10+ minutes to blow at 25% over the spec
>> The 'voltage' rating is the guaranteed 'disconnect blocking' voltage after the fuse blows.
>> 
>> So your horns must be spiking higher than the fuse rating to blow it quickly
>> 
>> ptegler
>> 
>> 
>>>> On 1/27/2021 3:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing.
>>> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Dave Connitt
>>> 
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Wed Jan 27 18:10:58 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Wed, 27 Jan 2021 20:10:58 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <00a201d6f4f8$7a6fc3a0$6f4f4ae0$@charter.net>
References: <41088454-62ac-cce0-0b5f-5467f2b4c7ff@verizon.net>
 <76D0E91F-5820-4859-8300-915FE2AD8849@fuse.net>
 <00a201d6f4f8$7a6fc3a0$6f4f4ae0$@charter.net>
Message-ID: <540662a9-731f-637e-1b84-91000f8d821c@verizon.net>

not so much a current adjustment as it is a 'buzzer plate' travel 
adjustment. As they age the vibratory plate (relay contact) doesnt 
travel as far. Adjusting the screw gets the plate travel and contact in 
sync so open/close travel is also enough to vibrate and still 
connect/disconnect

Adjusting the screw WILL tweak the sound a bit between end points where 
it simply stops buzzing, either open circuit of staying closed pulling 
current

ptegler

On 1/27/2021 5:05 PM, Alex & Janet Thomson wrote:
> I thought that many electric horns had an adjustment screw on them to set the operating current. Does that seem familiar to anyone?
>
> Alex Thomson
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
> Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:46 PM
> To: Paul Tegler
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
>
> I read through my Advanced AutoWire manual just now and it specifies a horn circuit max. current of 15 amps so I will need to find some horns that have a coil resistance of about 1 ohm if I don?t change anything else. I know the relay is rated at 30 amps.
> Sigh..
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
>> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>>
>> ?...not sure of the coil spec...but just for a reference....
>> a normal buss style fuse marked 'rating' is the spec holding current. (should not blow) It can take 10+ minutes to blow at 25% over the spec
>> The 'voltage' rating is the guaranteed 'disconnect blocking' voltage after the fuse blows.
>>
>> So your horns must be spiking higher than the fuse rating to blow it quickly
>>
>> ptegler
>>
>>
>>> On 1/27/2021 3:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
>>> Hi All,
>>> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing.
>>> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
>>> Thanks in advance,
>>> Dave Connitt
>>>
>>> Sent from my iPhone
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Jan 27 18:15:37 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 01:15:37 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
In-Reply-To: <36CC69B4-5834-4AB0-A006-1B5F03F2CFA2@fuse.net>
References: <36CC69B4-5834-4AB0-A006-1B5F03F2CFA2@fuse.net>
Message-ID: <765768252.679651.1611796537111@mail.yahoo.com>

 Dave, if those are the old style Windtone horns, like the ones on my TR3, check the insulators on the relay mechanism inside the horns.? One of mine started breaking down and created a short to ground.? I made a replacement out of some modern thermoplastic and restored proper operation.
If that is a 20 amp SAE fuse 17 amps will be handled easily by the fuse.? It is rated to carry 20 amps continuously and will trip at 35 - 40 amps.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net>
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Jan 27, 2021 2:50 pm
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question

Hi All,
One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing. 
I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
Thanks in advance,
Dave Connitt 

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Thu Jan 28 05:23:26 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Thu, 28 Jan 2021 07:23:26 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
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References: <4D9DD39F5409448784C6872C93E38D78@VlackTK121647>
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Add a high-power resistor into the horn circuit?

On Wed, Jan 27, 2021 at 5:34 PM Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
>
> Hi Jerry,
> The horn button controls a specific ?horn? relay in this harness but it?s recommended current limit is 15 amps. The horns I have pull 17.25 amps. The horns I have are new and I bet the original ones needed less current. I am going to call Scott Harper tomorrow and see if he has some old ones.
> I thought about increasing the wire size of the horn circuit.
> Dave Connitt
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Jan 27, 2021, at 5:12 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> >
> > ?Dave are you going thru a relay? If yes then which fuse is blowing? You could always increase the wire sizing from the relay to the horn and fuse it accordingly. But why am I even giving advice to an EE?
> > JVV
> >
> > -----Original Message----- From: Dave Connitt
> > Sent: Wednesday, January 27, 2021 4:46 PM
> > To: Paul Tegler
> > Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A Horn Question
> >
> > I read through my Advanced AutoWire manual just now and it specifies a horn circuit max. current of 15 amps so I will need to find some horns that have a coil resistance of about 1 ohm if I don?t change anything else. I know the relay is rated at 30 amps.
> > Sigh..
> > Dave Connitt
> >
> > Sent from my iPhone
> >
> >> On Jan 27, 2021, at 4:35 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> >>
> >> ?...not sure of the coil spec...but just for a reference....
> >> a normal buss style fuse marked 'rating' is the spec holding current. (should not blow) It can take 10+ minutes to blow at 25% over the spec
> >> The 'voltage' rating is the guaranteed 'disconnect blocking' voltage after the fuse blows.
> >>
> >> So your horns must be spiking higher than the fuse rating to blow it quickly
> >>
> >> ptegler
> >>
> >>
> >>>> On 1/27/2021 3:50 PM, Dave Connitt wrote:
> >>> Hi All,
> >>> One of my winter projects is to determine why the horn fuse in my TR4A keeps blowing.
> >>> I had installed a Advanced AutoWire harness during the restoration. The harness contains a 20 amp fuse for the horn. The horns are new as of the restoration. I went through the wiring harness and could not find a issue there so now I am looking at the horns themselves and that is where I need your help. I measured the horn coil resistance and it is 0.8 ohms in both of them. If I use 13.8 VDC as my battery voltage, I get 17.25 amps at the fuse which is too close to the 20 amp fuse rating in my opinion. If the resistance was even 0.9 ohms, the fuse current would be a little over 15 amps which would make more sense. Does anyone know what I should see as a horn coil resistance on a good horn?
> >>> Thanks in advance,
> >>> Dave Connitt
> >>>
> >>> Sent from my iPhone
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 10:17:57 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 09:17:57 -0800
Subject: [TR] Should I put Redline MT-90 in my Triumph diff?
Message-ID: <CANLCLaH7dv8kPfCEVJ4NxPLpRq63Do4pGwwbC191GBC8uQOPhQ@mail.gmail.com>

Anything against putting this stuff in my diff. I have in  my manual
gearbox in my Stag

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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Fri Jan 29 12:42:03 2021
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 14:42:03 -0500
Subject: [TR] Should I put Redline MT-90 in my Triumph diff?
Message-ID: <f8d71449a5e219df76eeff4713330e3b@mail.gmail.com>

On Fri, 29 Jan 2021 Sujit Roy triumphstag at gmail.com asked:



>Anything against putting this stuff in my diff. I have in  my manual
gearbox in my Stag



I looked into this when trying to find an appropriate fluif for my TR3A?s
differential. I don?t know how relevant this would be to your Stag, but
I?ll offer it up anyway.



The contributors to his list showed a preference for:

- Redline GL-5 75W90, or

- Royal Purple Synchromax 75W90, or

- Kendall Gear Oil, 75W



With that in mine, I contacted Red Line Oil, the makers of MT90. They
replied that ?The TR3A differential originally called for an SAE 90 GL-4
and the MT-90 would be recommended?. When I asked about the caution on
their web site that ?MT-90 are not for use in differentials with hypoid
gears?, Red Line responded that ?The note on our GL-4 gear oils refers to
use in a high offset hypoid application which your Triumph doesn?t contain.
The GL-4 gear oils are suitable in zero and low offset ring and pinion
applications.?



The late (and much missed) Randall Young advised that ?MT90 has friction
additives? and felt that one would want friction in a transmission but not
in a differential.



When I asked Red Line about the friction additives, they replied that ?If
you wanted a more slippery product one of our GL-5 gear oils such as the
75W90 or 75W110 would be options, they contain a friction modifier and are
compatible with phosphor-bronze as they contain a copper deactivator?. Red
Line summed up by saying ?In your differential technically either could be
used, the 75W90 contains a friction modifier beneficial overall for
friction and temperature reduction.?



As a result of that investigation, I?m using Redline GL-5 75W90 in my
TR3A?s differential. I use the MT90 in the gearbox. I?ve had no issues and
noticed no ill effects when I examined the diff during a rebuild last year.



However, the Red Line oils are hard to come by where I live, and are quite
expensive (about $25/litre). Some of the other TR3 owners locally have been
using Sta-Lube GL4 85W90 Gear Oil which is about half the price of the Red
Line products and is readily available from NAPA.



Regards,



Dave MacKay

1960 Triumph TR3A, s/n 68639L

near Toronto, Canada
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Fri Jan 29 13:37:09 2021
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Rochlin Robert)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 15:37:09 -0500
Subject: [TR] Should I put Redline MT-90 in my Triumph diff?
Message-ID: <4CB4CC2D-D576-412B-A63F-CE3AB44B72C4@comcast.net>

	I use 30 non detergent oil in my transmission.  When I had Quantum Mechanics rebuild my transmission years ago John Esposito recommended that I run 30 ND oil. At some point I used Redline Oil fro a couple of years and it worked well, but the only difference I could really notice between the Redline and 30 ND was that in cold weather the redline shifted more easily when cold, but during the summer and in the fall when the car warmed up both worked equally well.  The advantage of to 30 Wt. is that I can change it as part of winter maintenance for about $10.00, assuring that any metal wear bits are cleaned out.  I?ve been running Mobil synthetic 90 wt. in the differential.  
	Best,
	Bob
	'72 TR6

From tjwakeman at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 13:50:47 2021
From: tjwakeman at gmail.com (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:50:47 -0700
Subject: [TR] Should I put Redline MT-90 in my Triumph diff?
In-Reply-To: <f8d71449a5e219df76eeff4713330e3b@mail.gmail.com>
References: <f8d71449a5e219df76eeff4713330e3b@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <c2736add-d206-b7a5-2322-4c12f0e25cc3@gmail.com>

Per Redline's recommendation I'm using MT90 in the gearbox (TR4 
W/overdrive) and 75W90 in the diff (limited slip W/ large capacity 
magnesium back plate). Everything's been working fine for a decade + now.

TeriAnn

-- 

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Jan 29 14:39:47 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 29 Jan 2021 13:39:47 -0800
Subject: [TR] Should I put Redline MT-90 in my Triumph diff?
In-Reply-To: <c2736add-d206-b7a5-2322-4c12f0e25cc3@gmail.com>
References: <f8d71449a5e219df76eeff4713330e3b@mail.gmail.com>
 <c2736add-d206-b7a5-2322-4c12f0e25cc3@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CANLCLaGNwCdW+VjCpgLzoR=mvm+FHh3z0AeojRhjU=-pTckDEQ@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks all. I will get 75W90 instead.
Sujit

On Fri, Jan 29, 2021 at 12:57 PM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Per Redline's recommendation I'm using MT90 in the gearbox (TR4
> W/overdrive) and 75W90 in the diff (limited slip W/ large capacity
> magnesium back plate). Everything's been working fine for a decade + now.
>
> TeriAnn
> --
>
> Book - The Essential Guide to Overland Travel in the United States and
> Canada <http://overlandtravel.us>
> 2 years to write and 38 years of travel and camping to learn what to write
>
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 13:10:56 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 15:10:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
Message-ID: <048d01d6f744$050a82a0$0f1f87e0$@gmail.com>

I know this has been covered over the years, but would like some input from
folks.  Just redid the rear suspension and driveline for my 67 TR4A IRS.
Installed driveshaft with new u joints, rebuilt diff that was in my TR6 and
did not have clunk in that car, rebuilt original 4A axles with new bearings
seals and u joints, new comp springs, urethane packings, new urethane
bushings on trailing arm, shock link, rebuilt lever shocks.  The original
diff mounts/brackets/pins looked good so didn't weld support panels in.
This is a 72k orig mile car that was owned 45 years by previous owner.  I am
still getting a noticeable clunk when I let the clutch out from a stop.  The
noise is behind me so has to be in that driveline.  Any thoughts of next
steps for identifying where it is coming from.  
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8


From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Sat Jan 30 13:21:40 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 20:21:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
In-Reply-To: <048d01d6f744$050a82a0$0f1f87e0$@gmail.com>
References: <048d01d6f744$050a82a0$0f1f87e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB14616FA024B8601F4303107FFAB89@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

In my case it was loose bolts fastening the transmission crossmember to the frame.

Cliff


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From: Jim Henningsen<mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Saturday, January 30, 2021 1:15 PM
To: 'TR3 Triumphs'<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk

I know this has been covered over the years, but would like some input from
folks.  Just redid the rear suspension and driveline for my 67 TR4A IRS.
Installed driveshaft with new u joints, rebuilt diff that was in my TR6 and
did not have clunk in that car, rebuilt original 4A axles with new bearings
seals and u joints, new comp springs, urethane packings, new urethane
bushings on trailing arm, shock link, rebuilt lever shocks.  The original
diff mounts/brackets/pins looked good so didn't weld support panels in.
This is a 72k orig mile car that was owned 45 years by previous owner.  I am
still getting a noticeable clunk when I let the clutch out from a stop.  The
noise is behind me so has to be in that driveline.  Any thoughts of next
steps for identifying where it is coming from.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 14:15:18 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 15:15:18 -0600
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
In-Reply-To: <048d01d6f744$050a82a0$0f1f87e0$@gmail.com>
References: <048d01d6f744$050a82a0$0f1f87e0$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aaRTe4=X=bZCu2NubJqD69=7=MQzNkfbyxYmuGhDu7V7w@mail.gmail.com>

Jim,

In my case as well, after checking everything in the rear end and deciding
it must be the differential I discovered one of the transmission mount
bolts was loose (gone actually).  There is a lot that can cause a clunk in
the rear, but don't rule out other possibilities.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

> I know this has been covered over the years, but would like some input from
> folks.  Just redid the rear suspension and driveline for my 67 TR4A IRS.
> Installed driveshaft with new u joints, rebuilt diff that was in my TR6 and
> did not have clunk in that car, rebuilt original 4A axles with new bearings
> seals and u joints, new comp springs, urethane packings, new urethane
> bushings on trailing arm, shock link, rebuilt lever shocks.  The original
> diff mounts/brackets/pins looked good so didn't weld support panels in.
> This is a 72k orig mile car that was owned 45 years by previous owner.  I
> am
> still getting a noticeable clunk when I let the clutch out from a stop.
> The
> noise is behind me so has to be in that driveline.  Any thoughts of next
> steps for identifying where it is coming from.
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Jan 30 14:40:40 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 21:40:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aaRTe4=X=bZCu2NubJqD69=7=MQzNkfbyxYmuGhDu7V7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <048d01d6f744$050a82a0$0f1f87e0$@gmail.com>
 <CAFtw3aaRTe4=X=bZCu2NubJqD69=7=MQzNkfbyxYmuGhDu7V7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <945157716.444112.1612042840500@mail.yahoo.com>

 Another possibility is sticky splines in the halfshafts.? Be sure those are clean and well lubricated.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2021 3:15 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk

Jim,
In my case as well, after checking everything in the rear end and deciding it must be the differential I discovered one of the transmission mount bolts was loose (gone actually).? There is a lot that can cause a clunk in the rear, but don't rule out other possibilities.
Greg LemonTR250
On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:

I know this has been covered over the years, but would like some input from
folks.? Just redid the rear suspension and driveline for my 67 TR4A IRS.
Installed driveshaft with new u joints, rebuilt diff that was in my TR6 and
did not have clunk in that car, rebuilt original 4A axles with new bearings
seals and u joints, new comp springs, urethane packings, new urethane
bushings on trailing arm, shock link, rebuilt lever shocks.? The original
diff mounts/brackets/pins looked good so didn't weld support panels in.
This is a 72k orig mile car that was owned 45 years by previous owner.? I am
still getting a noticeable clunk when I let the clutch out from a stop.? The
noise is behind me so has to be in that driveline.? Any thoughts of next
steps for identifying where it is coming from.? 
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 14:42:31 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 16:42:31 -0500
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aaRTe4=X=bZCu2NubJqD69=7=MQzNkfbyxYmuGhDu7V7w@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAFtw3aaRTe4=X=bZCu2NubJqD69=7=MQzNkfbyxYmuGhDu7V7w@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <69F17A3C-60FE-4F22-A2F8-DAC49F00E29B@gmail.com>

Great thoughts by you both on the tranny mount.  I just had the tunnel cover off so kicking myself now for not checking.  May be able to inspect and adjust underneath.  Was thinking it might be a little play in the axle splines since they are original and or possible wear on wire wheel hub splines or wires themselves.  The wires are the original to car. Have new Dayton?s and hubs to put on soon.
Jim

> On Jan 30, 2021, at 4:15 PM, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Jim,
> 
> In my case as well, after checking everything in the rear end and deciding it must be the differential I discovered one of the transmission mount bolts was loose (gone actually).  There is a lot that can cause a clunk in the rear, but don't rule out other possibilities.
> 
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
>> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
>> I know this has been covered over the years, but would like some input from
>> folks.  Just redid the rear suspension and driveline for my 67 TR4A IRS.
>> Installed driveshaft with new u joints, rebuilt diff that was in my TR6 and
>> did not have clunk in that car, rebuilt original 4A axles with new bearings
>> seals and u joints, new comp springs, urethane packings, new urethane
>> bushings on trailing arm, shock link, rebuilt lever shocks.  The original
>> diff mounts/brackets/pins looked good so didn't weld support panels in.
>> This is a 72k orig mile car that was owned 45 years by previous owner.  I am
>> still getting a noticeable clunk when I let the clutch out from a stop.  The
>> noise is behind me so has to be in that driveline.  Any thoughts of next
>> steps for identifying where it is coming from.  
>> Thanks,
>> Jim Henningsen
>> Ocala FL
>> 61 3A
>> 62 4
>> 67 4A
>> 75 6
>> 81 8
>> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 14:44:07 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 16:44:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
In-Reply-To: <945157716.444112.1612042840500@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <945157716.444112.1612042840500@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <6A26ADDE-E7A7-4307-84DB-76A62FFF2EE7@gmail.com>

Thanks Dave. I did inspect those closely after the rebuild and cleaned again and regreased.  So many places this could be coming from.  The fun of sorting a new TR.
Cheers,
Jim

> On Jan 30, 2021, at 4:40 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Another possibility is sticky splines in the halfshafts.  Be sure those are clean and well lubricated.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2021 3:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
> 
> Jim,
> 
> In my case as well, after checking everything in the rear end and deciding it must be the differential I discovered one of the transmission mount bolts was loose (gone actually).  There is a lot that can cause a clunk in the rear, but don't rule out other possibilities.
> 
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know this has been covered over the years, but would like some input from
> folks.  Just redid the rear suspension and driveline for my 67 TR4A IRS.
> Installed driveshaft with new u joints, rebuilt diff that was in my TR6 and
> did not have clunk in that car, rebuilt original 4A axles with new bearings
> seals and u joints, new comp springs, urethane packings, new urethane
> bushings on trailing arm, shock link, rebuilt lever shocks.  The original
> diff mounts/brackets/pins looked good so didn't weld support panels in.
> This is a 72k orig mile car that was owned 45 years by previous owner.  I am
> still getting a noticeable clunk when I let the clutch out from a stop.  The
> noise is behind me so has to be in that driveline.  Any thoughts of next
> steps for identifying where it is coming from.  
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Jan 30 14:44:27 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 30 Jan 2021 16:44:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
In-Reply-To: <945157716.444112.1612042840500@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <945157716.444112.1612042840500@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <84F52E68-17C1-4595-8200-434B0D9A6698@gmail.com>

Thanks Dave. I did inspect those closely after the rebuild and cleaned again and regreased.  So many places this could be coming from.  The fun of sorting a new TR.
Cheers,
Jim

> On Jan 30, 2021, at 4:40 PM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> ?
> Another possibility is sticky splines in the halfshafts.  Be sure those are clean and well lubricated.
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Sat, Jan 30, 2021 3:15 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk
> 
> Jim,
> 
> In my case as well, after checking everything in the rear end and deciding it must be the differential I discovered one of the transmission mount bolts was loose (gone actually).  There is a lot that can cause a clunk in the rear, but don't rule out other possibilities.
> 
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
> On Sat, Jan 30, 2021, 2:15 PM Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> I know this has been covered over the years, but would like some input from
> folks.  Just redid the rear suspension and driveline for my 67 TR4A IRS.
> Installed driveshaft with new u joints, rebuilt diff that was in my TR6 and
> did not have clunk in that car, rebuilt original 4A axles with new bearings
> seals and u joints, new comp springs, urethane packings, new urethane
> bushings on trailing arm, shock link, rebuilt lever shocks.  The original
> diff mounts/brackets/pins looked good so didn't weld support panels in.
> This is a 72k orig mile car that was owned 45 years by previous owner.  I am
> still getting a noticeable clunk when I let the clutch out from a stop.  The
> noise is behind me so has to be in that driveline.  Any thoughts of next
> steps for identifying where it is coming from.  
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
> 
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jan 31 03:37:00 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 04:37:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] eBay
Message-ID: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>

eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.  i'm done.

 

what other avenues are available for buying and selling?

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 05:38:39 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 07:38:39 -0500
Subject: [TR] eBay
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Agree. I don?t trust that big entity with my data.  Seems like opportunity for competitor.  Maybe wee could bring the old days and unload the truck of parts and setup tables at events.  Miss that big truck at the roadster factory summer parties from British Miles with all their stuff.  
Jim Henningsen 

> On Jan 31, 2021, at 5:40 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.  i'm done.
>  
> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sun Jan 31 05:57:21 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 07:57:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <186FA9EB-8792-4E1B-B0B4-3BF57AF416A0@gmail.com>
References: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
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FB has FB marketplace. I have sold some small stuff < 100$ with no 
problems. It is not a bidding site.

Bob

On 1/31/21 7:38 AM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Agree. I don?t trust that big entity with my data. ?Seems like 
> opportunity for competitor. ?Maybe wee could bring the old days and 
> unload the truck of parts and setup tables at events. ?Miss that big 
> truck at the roadster factory summer parties from British Miles with 
> all their stuff.
> Jim Henningsen
>
>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 5:40 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> ?
>>
>> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.? i'm done.
>>
>> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
>>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sun Jan 31 06:17:56 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 13:17:56 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <186FA9EB-8792-4E1B-B0B4-3BF57AF416A0@gmail.com>
References: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
 <186FA9EB-8792-4E1B-B0B4-3BF57AF416A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <845366622.505376.1612099076582@mail.yahoo.com>

 Well, ain't that the truth.? I remember when every car show had a serious flee market.? Guys took the opportunity to sell off excess inventory (junk parts).? Once eBay caught on that all but disappeared.
Some folks open a dedicated bank account just for eBay.? This will put up a firewall of sorts against the worst that could happen..
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 6:38 am
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay

Agree. I don?t trust that big entity with my data. ?Seems like opportunity for competitor. ?Maybe wee could bring the old days and unload the truck of parts and setup tables at events. ?Miss that big truck at the roadster factory summer parties from British Miles with all their stuff. ?Jim Henningsen?

On Jan 31, 2021, at 5:40 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:



?
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 07:58:21 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 08:58:21 -0600
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <b3bc22e6-e387-ef67-3079-b550ba9792a7@adelphia.net>
References: <b3bc22e6-e387-ef67-3079-b550ba9792a7@adelphia.net>
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Facebook Marketplace, is another venue that I have used successfully. 
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Jan 31, 2021, at 6:57 AM, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:

?
FB has FB marketplace. I have sold some small stuff < 100$ with no problems. It is not a bidding site.

Bob

On 1/31/21 7:38 AM, Jim Henningsen wrote:
> Agree. I don?t trust that big entity with my data.  Seems like opportunity for competitor.  Maybe wee could bring the old days and unload the truck of parts and setup tables at events.  Miss that big truck at the roadster factory summer parties from British Miles with all their stuff.  
> Jim Henningsen 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 5:40 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.  i'm done.
>>  
>> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Jan 31 08:06:14 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:06:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <845366622.505376.1612099076582@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <845366622.505376.1612099076582@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DA22335D-7017-4946-BFDE-D23717162FE6@fuse.net>

The SS# required is a show stopper for me. There is always Craig?s list but that can be sketchy too.
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2021, at 8:23 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Well, ain't that the truth.  I remember when every car show had a serious flee market.  Guys took the opportunity to sell off excess inventory (junk parts).  Once eBay caught on that all but disappeared.
> 
> Some folks open a dedicated bank account just for eBay.  This will put up a firewall of sorts against the worst that could happen..
> 
> Dave 
> 
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 6:38 am
> Subject: Re: [TR] eBay
> 
> Agree. I don?t trust that big entity with my data.  Seems like opportunity for competitor.  Maybe wee could bring the old days and unload the truck of parts and setup tables at events.  Miss that big truck at the roadster factory summer parties from British Miles with all their stuff.  
> Jim Henningsen 
> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 5:40 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
> 
> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.  i'm done.
>  
> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
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From dconnitt at fuse.net  Sun Jan 31 08:07:56 2021
From: dconnitt at fuse.net (Dave Connitt)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:07:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <DA22335D-7017-4946-BFDE-D23717162FE6@fuse.net>
References: <DA22335D-7017-4946-BFDE-D23717162FE6@fuse.net>
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Speaking of selling parts, does anyone have a working set of horns that will fit a TR4A?
Dave Connitt 

Sent from my iPhone

> On Jan 31, 2021, at 10:06 AM, Dave Connitt <dconnitt at fuse.net> wrote:
> 
> ?The SS# required is a show stopper for me. There is always Craig?s list but that can be sketchy too.
> Dave Connitt 
> 
> Sent from my iPhone
> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 8:23 AM, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:
>>> 
>> ?
>> Well, ain't that the truth.  I remember when every car show had a serious flee market.  Guys took the opportunity to sell off excess inventory (junk parts).  Once eBay caught on that all but disappeared.
>> 
>> Some folks open a dedicated bank account just for eBay.  This will put up a firewall of sorts against the worst that could happen..
>> 
>> Dave 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>> To: dave <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Sent: Sun, Jan 31, 2021 6:38 am
>> Subject: Re: [TR] eBay
>> 
>> Agree. I don?t trust that big entity with my data.  Seems like opportunity for competitor.  Maybe wee could bring the old days and unload the truck of parts and setup tables at events.  Miss that big truck at the roadster factory summer parties from British Miles with all their stuff.  
>> Jim Henningsen 
>> 
>>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 5:40 AM, dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> ?
>> 
>> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.  i'm done.
>>  
>> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sun Jan 31 08:13:43 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 10:13:43 -0500
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
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 ???hadn't heard that yet.

Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for 
ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt 
Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even 
changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up 
employee numbers.

ptegler


On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:
>
> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.
>
> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
>
>
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From john at linneyweb.com  Sun Jan 31 08:46:34 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 07:46:34 -0800
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
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The SSN is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can report income as required by the IRS. It?s no different to becoming an Amazon seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9 form. Any other reason or form of request may be a phishing scam.


> On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> ???hadn't heard that yet.
> 
> Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
> BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee numbers. 
> 
> ptegler
> 
> 
> 
>> On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:
>> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.
>> ???
>> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
>> 
>> 
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From ryel at mac.com  Sun Jan 31 08:59:09 2021
From: ryel at mac.com (Rye Livingston)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 07:59:09 -0800
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <915147ED-DFE7-4973-AF67-EE45598D017C@linneyweb.com>
References: <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
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Yes I agree, something isn?t right here.  eBay is not going to ask for a SSN number to buy something any more than the local grocery store.  

Rye




> On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:46 AM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
> 
> The SSN is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can report income as required by the IRS. It?s no different to becoming an Amazon seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9 form. Any other reason or form of request may be a phishing scam.
> 
> 
>> On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net <mailto:ptegler at verizon.net>> wrote:
>> 
>> ?
>> ???hadn't heard that yet.
>> 
>> Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
>> BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee numbers. 
>> 
>> ptegler
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:
>>> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.
>>> ???
>>> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
>>> 
>>> 
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From glewis999 at aol.com  Sun Jan 31 09:11:29 2021
From: glewis999 at aol.com (glewis999)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 16:11:29 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <915147ED-DFE7-4973-AF67-EE45598D017C@linneyweb.com>
References: <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
 <915147ED-DFE7-4973-AF67-EE45598D017C@linneyweb.com>
Message-ID: <1836403665.787468.1612109489360@mail.yahoo.com>

I was told the other day that EBay are moving away from PayPal to manage the payments themselves. It may be different here as I live in the UK.Graham


Sent from the all new Aol app for iOS


On Sunday, January 31, 2021, 3:56 pm, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:

The SSN is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can report income as required by the IRS. It?s no different to becoming an Amazon seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9 form. Any other reason or form of request may be a phishing scam.


On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:



? 
???hadn't heard that yet.
 
Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
 BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee numbers. 
 
 
ptegler
 

 
 On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:
  
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eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.
 
 ???
 
what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
  
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jan 31 10:35:56 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:35:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <A7F881D7-4108-404C-8EC6-12180D98BF1D@mac.com>
References: <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
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 <A7F881D7-4108-404C-8EC6-12180D98BF1D@mac.com>
Message-ID: <003b01d6f7f7$8823aaf0$986b00d0$@ranteer.com>

Its for sellers, not buyers.  But they are eliminating paypal as an option

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:59 AM
To: John Linney <john at linneyweb.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay

 

Yes I agree, something isn?t right here.  eBay is not going to ask for a SSN number to buy something any more than the local grocery store.  

 

Rye

 

 

 





On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:46 AM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com <mailto:john at linneyweb.com> > wrote:

 

The SSN is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can report income as required by the IRS. It?s no different to becoming an Amazon seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9 form. Any other reason or form of request may be a phishing scam.

 

 

On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net <mailto:ptegler at verizon.net> > wrote:

?

???hadn't heard that yet.

Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee numbers. 

ptegler

 

On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:

eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.

???

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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Jan 31 10:41:00 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:41:00 -0600
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
References: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
 <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
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Its for tax purposes, not identification

 

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:14 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay

 

???hadn't heard that yet.

Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for
ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt
Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even
changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up
employee numbers. 

ptegler

 

On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:

eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.

???

what other avenues are available for buying and selling?





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From grglmn at gmail.com  Sun Jan 31 10:53:36 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 11:53:36 -0600
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <000001d6f7f8$3d973c80$b8c5b580$@ranteer.com>
References: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <CAFtw3aYuRrHgB-Sb5+LYG00Gbk+3NZfXu4jRs3W5i-hPuc5dFA@mail.gmail.com>

Over time ebay seems to have changed from an online marketplace where
collectors and hobbyists could exchange things on a national and even
international market,to a place whose policies encourage listing 1000
steering wheel covers (Fits TR4!) as well as dealers to list things for
3-4x market price over and over again in hopes of striking gold.

Fees have gone up from 2.5-3.5% when they started to nearly 15% now, I
guess because they can.  Can't imagine their costs have gone up that much
since it is all automated.

Hard for me to understand why they are getting away from PayPal (an eBay
company) since they milked even more juice out of the deal with that.

I used to by and sell on eBay all the time.  Now I occasionally buy, and
very rarely sell, maybe once or twice a year.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Its for tax purposes, not identification
>
>
>
> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Paul
> Tegler
> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:14 AM
> *To:* triumphs at autox.team.net
> *Subject:* Re: [TR] eBay
>
>
>
> ???hadn't heard that yet.
>
> Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for
> ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
> BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt
> Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even
> changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up
> employee numbers.
>
> ptegler
>
>
>
> On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:
>
> eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.
>
> ???
>
> what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
>
>
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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 11:20:04 2021
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 18:20:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aYuRrHgB-Sb5+LYG00Gbk+3NZfXu4jRs3W5i-hPuc5dFA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
 <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
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Message-ID: <27834681.626248.1612117204766@mail.yahoo.com>

 Ebay seems intent on driving away most customers.? I think it's time for a new "basic" (like the ORIGINAL Ebay) auction site.
What they've morphed into SUCKS.
Chad in Tulsa
    On Sunday, January 31, 2021, 11:54:21 AM CST, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 Over time ebay seems to have changed from an online marketplace where collectors and hobbyists could exchange things on a national and even international market,to a place whose policies encourage listing 1000 steering wheel covers (Fits TR4!) as well as dealers to list things for 3-4x market price over and over again in hopes of striking gold.
Fees have gone up from 2.5-3.5% when they started to nearly 15% now, I guess because they can.? Can't imagine their costs have gone up that much since it is all automated.
Hard for me to understand why they are getting away from PayPal (an eBay company) since they milked even more juice out of the deal with that.
I used to by and sell on eBay all the time.? Now I occasionally buy, and very rarely sell, maybe once or twice a year.
Greg Lemon?TR250

On Sun, Jan 31, 2021, 11:41 AM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:


Its for tax purposes, not identification

?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Paul Tegler
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:14 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay

?

???hadn't heard that yet.

Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee numbers. 

ptegler

?

On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:


eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.

???

what other avenues are available for buying and selling?




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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Sun Jan 31 13:20:18 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 12:20:18 -0800
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
References: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <02db01d6f80e$7f051b40$7d0f51c0$@yahoo.com>

     Yah, Ebay screwed the pooch and this one. They locked me out of my
selling account while I still had stuff listed and couldn't log in to cancel
the listing and the listing remained until expired. Well done Ebay.

     I have some Triumph and Morgan parts for sale. I plan to post them to
the List here and also to
https://www.triumphexp.com/forum/buy-sell-and-trade-forum.5/ and
https://www.morganexperience.com/forum/buy-sell-and-trade-forum.3/  and
http://www.talkmorgan.com/ubbthreads.php/forums/9/1/for-sale-wanted .
Hopefully they will find good homes there.

 

     Does anyone else have any other places to sell used TR parts?

 

     Bill Brewer

     Morro Bay, CA & Tehachapi, CA

 

 

From: dave [mailto:dave at ranteer.com] 
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 2:37 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] eBay

 

eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.  i'm done.

 

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From fitzgibbon3 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 13:26:35 2021
From: fitzgibbon3 at comcast.net (Thomas FitzGibbon)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 15:26:35 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <003b01d6f7f7$8823aaf0$986b00d0$@ranteer.com>
References: <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
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From keithstewart at bell.net  Sun Jan 31 14:07:22 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 16:07:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <186FA9EB-8792-4E1B-B0B4-3BF57AF416A0@gmail.com>
References: <002301d6f7bd$01f632c0$05e29840$@ranteer.com>
 <186FA9EB-8792-4E1B-B0B4-3BF57AF416A0@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <00f901d6f815$12878000$37968000$@bell.net>

Now those were the days! Even TRF?s infield display was a great chance to actually see many of the products. And, in the early days, there was always that scratch-and-dent sale in the shipping bay. ?

 

 

Keith Stewart

keithstewart at bell.net

 

 

 

Jim Henningsen wrote:

 

Agree. I don?t trust that big entity with my data.  Seems like opportunity for competitor.  Maybe wee could bring the old days and unload the truck of parts and setup tables at events.  Miss that big truck at the roadster factory summer parties from British Miles with all their stuff.  

Jim Henningsen 

 

 

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From MACHINEMD at msn.com  Sun Jan 31 14:21:06 2021
From: MACHINEMD at msn.com (STEVE STERN)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:21:06 +0000
Subject: [TR] Subject: Re:  IRS Rear End clunk
Message-ID: <CY4PR22MB0696045296E1F8AA4CF788D5A9B79@CY4PR22MB0696.namprd22.prod.outlook.com>

To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>, 'TR3 Triumphs'
        <triumphs at autox.team.net>

Subject: Re: [TR] IRS Rear End clunk

Had the same on my 1974 TR6 and after checking everything I pulled the differential. I found the problem as soon as I started to disassemble it....bad self-locking pinion nut w/nylon ring lock had backed off a bit. Simple/stupid! I still broke down, cleaned and inspected diff and other than needing a shim and a new nut all has been good for past year.

Steve
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Sun Jan 31 14:32:18 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 16:32:18 -0500
Subject: [TR] eBay
In-Reply-To: <261261409.298103.1612124795329@connect.xfinity.com>
References: <4529869c-eada-d016-0e6b-97edd3cb287a@verizon.net>
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I fail to understand how you can owe taxes on something you already paid 
for with income left over after paying fed and state income taxes. For 
example: Say I have some NOS oil filters that I picked up from TRF years 
ago but decided to sell the car and I no longer need them. So I decide 
to sell them for whatever I can get. How is paying say 10$ for the 
original filter and then selling it for 5$ income?

Earlier in the Fall I sold a few tools I will never use again because my 
restoration days are over. They went for about 25% of their current value.

Also; say you sell a used car in a private deal. How can that be income? 
I sold a motor cycle and a used car a few years ago. The buyer has to 
pay sales tax when they registered them but this is not income.

Bob

On 1/31/21 3:26 PM, Thomas FitzGibbon wrote:
> "Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number 
> for ident."
> If I am not mistaken, ebay is NOT requiring SSNs as a form of 
> identification.? I believe I read an article recently that says the 
> IRS is cracking down on them and requiring them to report on 
> transactions so the IRS can assess taxes that are due (much like when 
> a company sends a form 1099 to contract workers).? That does require a 
> SSN or other TIN be provided.
>> On 01/31/2021 12:35 PM dave <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> Its for sellers, not buyers.? But they are eliminating paypal as an 
>> option
>>
>> *From:* Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> *On Behalf Of *Rye 
>> Livingston
>> *Sent:* Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:59 AM
>> *To:* John Linney <john at linneyweb.com>
>> *Cc:* triumphs at autox.team.net
>> *Subject:* Re: [TR] eBay
>>
>> Yes I agree, something isn?t right here. ?eBay is not going to ask 
>> for a SSN number to buy something any more than the local grocery store.
>>
>> Rye
>>
>>
>>
>>     On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:46 AM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com
>>     <mailto:john at linneyweb.com>> wrote:
>>
>>     The SSN is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can
>>     report income as required by the IRS. It?s no different to
>>     becoming an Amazon seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9
>>     form. Any other reason or form of request may be a phishing scam.
>>
>>         On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net
>>         <mailto:ptegler at verizon.net>> wrote:
>>
>>         ???hadn't heard that yet.
>>
>>         Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS
>>         number for ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require
>>         you supply that info.
>>         BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national
>>         ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I
>>         work for DoD and they even changed over a couple years back
>>         from using your SS to having full up employee numbers.
>>
>>         ptegler
>>
>>         On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:
>>
>>             eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security
>>             number.??? i'm done.
>>
>>             ???
>>
>>             what other avenues are available for buying and selling?
>>
>>
>>
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From kinderlehrer at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 14:58:30 2021
From: kinderlehrer at comcast.net (Kinderlehrer)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 13:58:30 -0800
Subject: [TR] eBay
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Bob, 

You get to subtract your costs from revenue to get net income, so you would not have to pay taxes in your examples. Under certain circumstances, you might even be able to claim a loss.

A different Bob

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 1:32 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay

 

I fail to understand how you can owe taxes on something you already paid for with income left over after paying fed and state income taxes. For example: Say I have some NOS oil filters that I picked up from TRF years ago but decided to sell the car and I no longer need them. So I decide to sell them for whatever I can get. How is paying say 10$ for the original filter and then selling it for 5$ income?

Earlier in the Fall I sold a few tools I will never use again because my restoration days are over. They went for about 25% of their current value. 

Also; say you sell a used car in a private deal. How can that be income? I sold a motor cycle and a used car a few years ago. The buyer has to pay sales tax when they registered them but this is not income.

Bob

On 1/31/21 3:26 PM, Thomas FitzGibbon wrote:

"Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident." 

  

If I am not mistaken, ebay is NOT requiring SSNs as a form of identification.  I believe I read an article recently that says the IRS is cracking down on them and requiring them to report on transactions so the IRS can assess taxes that are due (much like when a company sends a form 1099 to contract workers).  That does require a SSN or other TIN be provided. 

On 01/31/2021 12:35 PM dave  <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> <dave at ranteer.com> wrote: 

  

  

Its for sellers, not buyers.  But they are eliminating paypal as an option

 

From: Triumphs  <mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Rye Livingston
Sent: Sunday, January 31, 2021 9:59 AM
To: John Linney  <mailto:john at linneyweb.com> <john at linneyweb.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] eBay

 

Yes I agree, something isn?t right here.  eBay is not going to ask for a SSN number to buy something any more than the local grocery store.  

 

Rye

 

 

 

 

On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:46 AM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:

 

The SSN is only needed if you are setup as a seller so they can report income as required by the IRS. It?s no different to becoming an Amazon seller. The SSN is provided on a government W9 form. Any other reason or form of request may be a phishing scam.

 

 

On Jan 31, 2021, at 7:26 AM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:

 

???hadn't heard that yet.

Fisrt off it is ILLEGAL to have any company require your SS number for ident. Even hospitals etc can not legally require you supply that info.
BTDT??? way too many times. Your SS is NOT ana 'national ident' number. Bt Fed law it is ONLY a SS usage number.??? I work for DoD and they even changed over a couple years back from using your SS to having full up employee numbers. 

ptegler

 

On 1/31/2021 5:37 AM, dave wrote:

eBay is requiring a bank account and a social security number.??? i'm done.

???

what other avenues are available for buying and selling?

 

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From fitzgibbon3 at comcast.net  Sun Jan 31 19:03:46 2021
From: fitzgibbon3 at comcast.net (Thomas FitzGibbon)
Date: Sun, 31 Jan 2021 21:03:46 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] eBay
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