From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Mon Mar  1 13:48:04 2021
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 20:48:04 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4A Mounts
References: <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042@mail.yahoo.com>

Hi Jim,
I have been using round mounts in my TR4A for years, but they're from some year BMW. ?Taller and bigger in diameter, if I recall correctly. ?Seem to hold up well.
Maybe someone on the list will know what BMW they are from.
George Haynes1965 TR4A
CTC55423LO
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  1 13:58:54 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 15:58:54 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Mounts
In-Reply-To: <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <025601d70edd$b1597470$140c5d50$@gmail.com>

Much appreciated.  I would be curious as the round TR4 ones seem to be a bit short.  At least the two I got.

Jim

 

From: George Haynes <ghaynestr4 at aol.com> 
Sent: Monday, March 01, 2021 3:48 PM
To: trguy75 at gmail.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: TR4A Mounts

 

Hi Jim, 

 

I have been using round mounts in my TR4A for years, but they're from some year BMW.  

Taller and bigger in diameter, if I recall correctly.  Seem to hold up well.

 

Maybe someone on the list will know what BMW they are from.

 

George Haynes

1965 TR4A

CTC55423LO

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From keithstewart at bell.net  Mon Mar  1 15:00:17 2021
From: keithstewart at bell.net (keithstewart at bell.net)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:00:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Engine Mounts - Which One
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References: <008c01d70e16$c027c460$40774d20$@gmail.com>
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I had the round ones on my early TR4s, but the later 4s and the 4A had the
trapezoidal ones. If you take a look at the illustration for the bonnet
catch in the TR4 SPC, it will probably not look familiar to you unless you
have an early TR4. I was always surprised at that illustration until I got
CT1218LO, and lo and behold, there it was. I think the same illustration was
used in the TR4A SPC but that is not how the TR4A catch looks either. I
didn't check them, but I am guessing the parts numbers in the TR4 and TR4A
SPC are different even if the illustration is the same.


Keith Stewart
keithstewart at bell.net



-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> 
Sent: February 28, 2021 4:15 PM
To: 'TR3 Triumphs' <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4A Engine Mounts - Which One

Ok, was just looking at my TRA TR4/4A judging book and they show that the 4A
should have a trapezoidal engine mount and not the round one for TR4.  My
factory TR4A parts catalog has a picture of a round engine mount like the
TR4 (part number 130985).  The Roadster factory lists the round one under
that part number which is what I ordered and installed. I had to install a
thick round shim on the new round mounts to lift engine front fan extension
tube off the steering rack (it was rubbing).  Moss lists a rectangular mount
(810-015) with picture.  Which is the correct for a TR4A?  Any pearls of
wisdom out there?
Many thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8




From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Mon Mar  1 15:25:06 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:25:06 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Mounts
In-Reply-To: <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1C12CC05D3764C318FD7F1DB42980CA6@VlackTK121647>

I believe they are from a Rover rather than a BMW at least that?s what I bought after a discussion with Tony Sheach who has been a wonderful resource for me.

Tony perhaps you can again provide the specifics. I also believe the Heavy Duty ones Moss sells are the same but not sure. I bought mine from a dealer in England. They are well made and will hold up. I?m pretty sure they are taller too.

JVV

From: George Haynes 
Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 3:48 PM
To: trguy75 at gmail.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] TR4A Mounts

Hi Jim, 

I have been using round mounts in my TR4A for years, but they're from some year BMW.  
Taller and bigger in diameter, if I recall correctly.  Seem to hold up well.

Maybe someone on the list will know what BMW they are from.

George Haynes
1965 TR4A

CTC55423LO


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From john at linneyweb.com  Mon Mar  1 18:31:52 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Mon, 1 Mar 2021 17:31:52 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4A Mounts
In-Reply-To: <1C12CC05D3764C318FD7F1DB42980CA6@VlackTK121647>
References: <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1135228856.1762680.1614631684042@mail.yahoo.com>
 <1C12CC05D3764C318FD7F1DB42980CA6@VlackTK121647>
Message-ID: <72CD53BA-C11D-43F8-B14F-17D0C27E7DB3@linneyweb.com>

When I replaced mine in the TR4 I ended up ordering Land Rover mounts (round) from Rimmers.

> On Mar 1, 2021, at 2:25 PM, Jerry Van Vlack <jerryvv at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> I believe they are from a Rover rather than a BMW at least that?s what I bought after a discussion with Tony Sheach who has been a wonderful resource for me.
>  
> Tony perhaps you can again provide the specifics. I also believe the Heavy Duty ones Moss sells are the same but not sure. I bought mine from a dealer in England. They are well made and will hold up. I?m pretty sure they are taller too.
>  
> JVV
>  
> From: George Haynes <>
> Sent: Monday, March 1, 2021 3:48 PM
> To: trguy75 at gmail.com <> ; triumphs at autox.team.net <>
> Subject: [TR] TR4A Mounts
>  
> Hi Jim,
>  
> I have been using round mounts in my TR4A for years, but they're from some year BMW. 
> Taller and bigger in diameter, if I recall correctly.  Seem to hold up well.
>  
> Maybe someone on the list will know what BMW they are from.
>  
> George Haynes
> 1965 TR4A
> CTC55423LO
> 
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From carlsereda at aol.com  Tue Mar  2 14:37:14 2021
From: carlsereda at aol.com (Carl Sereda)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 21:37:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4-4A motor mounts
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1614711602.17613.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7.1614711602.17613.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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 The TR4A square motor mounts are the 'fail-safe' style so when rubber gives way at least the motor is a little more locked into frame (versus round style).. in any case I would not hesitate to add shims (big round or square washers) to get good fan extension clearance to steering rack.
Also, some 60's Volvos use slightly more robust round mounts..Regards,Carl 
'63 TR4 since '74


I have been using round mounts in my TR4A for years, but they're from some year BMW.? 

Taller and bigger in diameter, if I recall correctly.? Seem to hold up well.

Maybe someone on the list will know what BMW they are from.

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From john at linneyweb.com  Tue Mar  2 14:40:14 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 13:40:14 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR4-4A motor mounts
In-Reply-To: <958725364.2265040.1614721034588@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <mailman.7.1614711602.17613.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <958725364.2265040.1614721034588@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <34C35B4B-F842-4757-B49D-9810E881899D@linneyweb.com>

Good advice. Also - try not to bend the accelerator linkage when you raise the front of the engine. Don?t ask how I know this.

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> The TR4A square motor mounts are the 'fail-safe' style so when rubber gives way at least the motor is a little more locked into frame (versus round style).. in any case I would not hesitate to add shims (big round or square washers) to get good fan extension clearance to steering rack.
> Also, some 60's Volvos use slightly more robust round mounts..
> Regards,
> Carl 
> '63 TR4 since '74
> 
> I have been using round mounts in my TR4A for years, but they're from some year BMW.  
> 
> Taller and bigger in diameter, if I recall correctly.  Seem to hold up well.
> 
> Maybe someone on the list will know what BMW they are from.
> 
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Mar  2 15:02:07 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 2 Mar 2021 17:02:07 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4-4A motor mounts
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Isn?t that the truth.  I was able to just barely squeeze them in without bending it.  Great tip! 
Ji 

> On Mar 2, 2021, at 4:40 PM, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Good advice. Also - try not to bend the accelerator linkage when you raise the front of the engine. Don?t ask how I know this.
> 
>> On Mar 2, 2021, at 1:37 PM, Carl Sereda <carlsereda at aol.com> wrote:
>> 
>> The TR4A square motor mounts are the 'fail-safe' style so when rubber gives way at least the motor is a little more locked into frame (versus round style).. in any case I would not hesitate to add shims (big round or square washers) to get good fan extension clearance to steering rack.
>> Also, some 60's Volvos use slightly more robust round mounts..
>> Regards,
>> Carl 
>> '63 TR4 since '74
>> 
>> I have been using round mounts in my TR4A for years, but they're from some year BMW.  
>> 
>> Taller and bigger in diameter, if I recall correctly.  Seem to hold up well.
>> 
>> Maybe someone on the list will know what BMW they are from.
>> 
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From ghaynestr4 at aol.com  Thu Mar  4 15:08:01 2021
From: ghaynestr4 at aol.com (George Haynes)
Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 22:08:01 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Pertronix Ignitor
References: <373185144.802323.1614895681493.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <373185144.802323.1614895681493@mail.yahoo.com>

A friend with a 1968 Spitfire is wondering if the 1146A Ignitor his the correct one?for his car with a Delco distributor.Does anyone know for sure?
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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Fri Mar  5 06:19:32 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 08:19:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
Message-ID: <fe29706e-ca0d-be48-6077-23f54cd15e68@adelphia.net>

We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.

So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp 
speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd 
was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just 
parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a 
TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.

There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character 
drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?

Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.

It is a good show and the acting is very good.

Cheers!

Bob


From triumphstag at gmail.com  Fri Mar  5 18:22:54 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Fri, 5 Mar 2021 17:22:54 -0800
Subject: [TR] Angle drive for speedo
Message-ID: <CANLCLaH2oF6HNCnj-2DfGVZbggi49N=5pnyiQ3hWVNfHxFdWAA@mail.gmail.com>

I recall going to a junkyard and pulling a speedo angle drive off of a TR7.
The angle drive was in the engine bay. The Stag uses a similar angle drive
but is at the gearbox end and is part no.120694. When I do a search on this
part no., it does not cross reference to a TR7.
Was I smoking something at the time or if the TR7 has a speedo angle drive
in the engine bay, what is the part no?

My speedo is way off on my Stag and I'm wondering if the speed angle drive
has a different ratio that that used on a Stag. The Stag's one cross
references to a TR4 and TR6.


Regards, Sujit

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Fri Mar  5 20:32:41 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 03:32:41 +0000
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
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The black Jag that Endeavour drives is actually a Mk I.  

Mike

Michael Marr

Mobile:  630-202-0065

Sent from my iPad

> On Mar 5, 2021, at 21:28, Bob <yellowtr at adelphia.net> wrote:
> 
> We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.
> 
> So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.
> 
> There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?
> 
> Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.
> 
> It is a good show and the acting is very good.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Bob
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Mar  6 06:04:20 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 13:04:20 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Angle drive for speedo
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaH2oF6HNCnj-2DfGVZbggi49N=5pnyiQ3hWVNfHxFdWAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CANLCLaH2oF6HNCnj-2DfGVZbggi49N=5pnyiQ3hWVNfHxFdWAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <894072241.85407.1615035860384@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have never worked on a 4-speed wedge but I hear the transmissions share a number of components with the Spitfire.? But that doesn't mean the speedometer connection is the same.? If it is then perhaps you saw a 4-speed car. 

The 5-speed transmission will definitely not support the angle drive. 
 
Dave 

 
 
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Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2021 7:22 pm
Subject: [TR] Angle drive for speedo

I recall going?to a junkyard?and pulling?a speedo angle drive off of a TR7. The angle drive was in the?engine bay. The Stag uses a similar angle drive but is at the gearbox end and is part no.120694. When I do a search on this part no., it does not cross reference to a TR7.Was I smoking something at the time or if the TR7 has a speedo angle drive in the engine bay, what is the part no?
My speedo?is way off on my Stag and I'm wondering?if the speed?angle drive has a different ratio that that used on a Stag. The Stag's one cross references to a TR4 and TR6.

Regards, Sujit

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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Sat Mar  6 11:18:01 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 10:18:01 -0800
Subject: [TR] Angle drive for speedo
In-Reply-To: <894072241.85407.1615035860384@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CANLCLaH2oF6HNCnj-2DfGVZbggi49N=5pnyiQ3hWVNfHxFdWAA@mail.gmail.com>
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Message-ID: <CANLCLaFOvBK09naUOsK-5GbF5gb4v-U6BBjvV23jU=Ee9K4Pqg@mail.gmail.com>

Michael Hart's explanation seems the most plausible. The drive is at 90
degrees. It has one male end and one female end. The counter was replaced.

On Sat, Mar 6, 2021, 5:04 AM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> I have never worked on a 4-speed wedge but I hear the transmissions share
> a number of components with the Spitfire.  But that doesn't mean the
> speedometer connection is the same.  If it is then perhaps you saw a
> 4-speed car.
>
> The 5-speed transmission will definitely not support the angle drive.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; TTSCC at googlegroups.com;
> tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu List <tr8 at mercury.lcs.mit.edu>
> Sent: Fri, Mar 5, 2021 7:22 pm
> Subject: [TR] Angle drive for speedo
>
> I recall going to a junkyard and pulling a speedo angle drive off of a
> TR7. The angle drive was in the engine bay. The Stag uses a similar angle
> drive but is at the gearbox end and is part no.120694. When I do a search
> on this part no., it does not cross reference to a TR7.
> Was I smoking something at the time or if the TR7 has a speedo angle drive
> in the engine bay, what is the part no?
>
> My speedo is way off on my Stag and I'm wondering if the speed angle drive
> has a different ratio that that used on a Stag. The Stag's one cross
> references to a TR4 and TR6.
>
>
> Regards, Sujit
>
> --
> Sujit Roy
> Cupertino, California
>
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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sat Mar  6 12:36:15 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 11:36:15 -0800
Subject: [TR] Angle drive for speedo
References: <8ed9148f-1cf7-3cb5-bf49-3217bbfee00c.ref@att.net>
Message-ID: <8ed9148f-1cf7-3cb5-bf49-3217bbfee00c@att.net>

If memory serves me it is used at the age counter which triggers a light 
on the dash when it is time to replace the O2 sensor.? It is still a one 
to one ratio unit.

The speedo cable is two piece unit.? The first section ends at the 
counter which is basically an odometer but shows percentage till 
replacement rather than mileage.? When it rolls over it triggers the 
dash light.? There is a special key to reset the counter thus turning 
the dash light out.? I think that it measures 40,000 miles which is the 
estimate life of the O2 sensor.

The second section of speedo cable runs to the speedometer from the 
counter.? The counter sits just below the brake master cylinder in a 
tight spot thus the need for the right angle drive.

Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA


From PeterAra at msn.com  Sat Mar  6 13:18:38 2021
From: PeterAra at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 20:18:38 +0000
Subject: [TR] Pertronix Ignitor
Message-ID: <SJ0PR05MB76267F5AAB9418E7255D516BC1959@SJ0PR05MB7626.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

> A friend with a 1968 Spitfire is wondering if the 1146A Ignitor his the correct one?for his car with a Delco distributor.Does anyone know for sure?



I show it should be be an 1149.  You can call Pertronix to verify.



Peter Arakelian

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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Mar  6 15:49:13 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 17:49:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] Angle drive for speedo
In-Reply-To: <8ed9148f-1cf7-3cb5-bf49-3217bbfee00c@att.net>
References: <8ed9148f-1cf7-3cb5-bf49-3217bbfee00c.ref@att.net>
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Message-ID: <6a5b039e-0f6a-e171-34dc-1eff4965ec42@verizon.net>

those same counters were used on mid series 1500 squaretails on the 
speedo cable as well.
no O2 sensors on those cars (or carbe'd 6, 7's or Stags either)
On Spits it was to check the catalytic converter, EGR. air pump etc.

ptegler

On 3/6/2021 2:36 PM, Q wrote:
> If memory serves me it is used at the age counter which triggers a 
> light on the dash when it is time to replace the O2 sensor.? It is 
> still a one to one ratio unit.
>
> The speedo cable is two piece unit.? The first section ends at the 
> counter which is basically an odometer but shows percentage till 
> replacement rather than mileage.? When it rolls over it triggers the 
> dash light.? There is a special key to reset the counter thus turning 
> the dash light out.? I think that it measures 40,000 miles which is 
> the estimate life of the O2 sensor.
>
> The second section of speedo cable runs to the speedometer from the 
> counter.? The counter sits just below the brake master cylinder in a 
> tight spot thus the need for the right angle drive.
>
> Edward Hamer
>
> Petaluma CA
>
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Sat Mar  6 15:53:56 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 17:53:56 -0500
Subject: [TR] Pertronix Ignitor
In-Reply-To: <SJ0PR05MB76267F5AAB9418E7255D516BC1959@SJ0PR05MB7626.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <SJ0PR05MB76267F5AAB9418E7255D516BC1959@SJ0PR05MB7626.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <e37a52e3-d1f7-395b-df60-aee5597498b7@verizon.net>

https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/triumph.htm 
<https://vintageperformance.com/retrorockets/triumph.htm>

NFI?????? just a satisfied customer

agreed??? ...1149 for the Delco, Lucas was the 142 or that series...not 
sure what the 1146 is too lazy to look)

ptegler



On 3/6/2021 3:18 PM, Peter Arakelian wrote:
>
> > A friend with a 1968 Spitfire is wondering if the 1146A Ignitor his 
> the correct one?for his car with a Delco distributor.Does anyone know 
> for sure?
>
> I show it should be be an 1149.??? You can call Pertronix to verify.
>
> Peter Arakelian
>
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From stan at redtr6.com  Sat Mar  6 17:10:28 2021
From: stan at redtr6.com (Stan Foster)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 00:10:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
In-Reply-To: <fe29706e-ca0d-be48-6077-23f54cd15e68@adelphia.net>
References: <fe29706e-ca0d-be48-6077-23f54cd15e68@adelphia.net>
Message-ID: <MN2PR05MB6575983CCE99E032250BC7CCFE949@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>

Endeavour was great. We also loved Detectorists (features a yellow TR7) and currently watching New Tricks where one of the main characters (played by Dennis Waterman) drives a green Stag. Acorn and Britbox have some excellent quirky British TV.

Stan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:20 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series

We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.

So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.

There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?

Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.

It is a good show and the acting is very good.

Cheers!

Bob

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Mar  6 19:26:04 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 6 Mar 2021 20:26:04 -0600
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB6575983CCE99E032250BC7CCFE949@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <MN2PR05MB6575983CCE99E032250BC7CCFE949@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <08EE9596-A468-4100-AE53-FC8CBE4CC1F6@yahoo.com>

Then there?s Father Brown, features a lovely Alpine.  One episode shows a very nice red TR3A, however the show is set in 1953.....oops. 
Bill B

#dontkillgrandma

On Mar 6, 2021, at 6:10 PM, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:

?Endeavour was great. We also loved Detectorists (features a yellow TR7) and currently watching New Tricks where one of the main characters (played by Dennis Waterman) drives a green Stag. Acorn and Britbox have some excellent quirky British TV.

Stan 

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:20 AM
To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series

We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.

So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.

There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?

Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.

It is a good show and the acting is very good.

Cheers!

Bob

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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sun Mar  7 05:09:52 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 12:09:52 +0000
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
In-Reply-To: <MN2PR05MB6575983CCE99E032250BC7CCFE949@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
References: <fe29706e-ca0d-be48-6077-23f54cd15e68@adelphia.net>
 <MN2PR05MB6575983CCE99E032250BC7CCFE949@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <3C43991D-9435-453E-8D05-18F9167F4381@Ukpips.org.uk>

Just had a look at the sort of stuff served up from Acorn and Britbox. Most of the Acorn stuff is unknown to us Brits in Britland, unless the programmes have been re-titled. Britbox however, has far better material both for drama and comedy. As for the cars, it?s nice to see anything of any make that isn?t Eurobox or Jap***p. For the record, most Triumph owners over here, prefer not to rent their cars to TV companies for the ?period? look. There have been a few too many claims for damage on set or mistreatment by TV crews. Owners are not usually allowed to drive them unless it?s a ?distant? shot. Not that you get paid much anyway.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 7 Mar 2021, at 00:10, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
> 
> Endeavour was great. We also loved Detectorists (features a yellow TR7) and currently watching New Tricks where one of the main characters (played by Dennis Waterman) drives a green Stag. Acorn and Britbox have some excellent quirky British TV.
> 
> Stan 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:20 AM
> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
> 
> We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.
> 
> So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.
> 
> There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?
> 
> Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.
> 
> It is a good show and the acting is very good.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Bob
> 
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From sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com  Sun Mar  7 06:38:48 2021
From: sothornton at stevethorntonlaw.com (Steve Thornton)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 13:38:48 +0000
Subject: [TR] Hello
Message-ID: <29ED8C5D-C1FA-44A3-AE85-EC908619D67C@stevethorntonlaw.com>

TR Friends-


How do I subscribe to the Morgan list? Is it still operating?

Thanks in advance.



Sent from my iPhone


Steven O. Thornton
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Thornton Law Office
1011 Lehman Avenue
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From mark at bradakis.com  Sun Mar  7 06:54:29 2021
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark J Bradakis)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 06:54:29 -0700
Subject: [TR] Hello
In-Reply-To: <29ED8C5D-C1FA-44A3-AE85-EC908619D67C@stevethorntonlaw.com>
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http://autox.team.net/mailman/listinfo


mjb.


From rjones at wfeca.net  Sun Mar  7 14:41:12 2021
From: rjones at wfeca.net (Robert Jones)
Date: Sun, 7 Mar 2021 15:41:12 -0600
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
In-Reply-To: <3C43991D-9435-453E-8D05-18F9167F4381@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <fe29706e-ca0d-be48-6077-23f54cd15e68@adelphia.net>
 <MN2PR05MB6575983CCE99E032250BC7CCFE949@MN2PR05MB6575.namprd05.prod.outlook.com>
 <3C43991D-9435-453E-8D05-18F9167F4381@Ukpips.org.uk>
Message-ID: <ED0A496D-C5E9-46BA-9A46-5E8E8134FCFA@wfeca.net>

Come on John.  Don?t tell me that Midsomer Murders, Poirot, Miss Marple and Doc Martin aren?t British.  All on Acorn.


Bob

> On Mar 7, 2021, at 6:09 AM, John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> Just had a look at the sort of stuff served up from Acorn and Britbox. Most of the Acorn stuff is unknown to us Brits in Britland, unless the programmes have been re-titled. Britbox however, has far better material both for drama and comedy. As for the cars, it?s nice to see anything of any make that isn?t Eurobox or Jap***p. For the record, most Triumph owners over here, prefer not to rent their cars to TV companies for the ?period? look. There have been a few too many claims for damage on set or mistreatment by TV crews. Owners are not usually allowed to drive them unless it?s a ?distant? shot. Not that you get paid much anyway.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
> 
>> On 7 Mar 2021, at 00:10, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Endeavour was great. We also loved Detectorists (features a yellow TR7) and currently watching New Tricks where one of the main characters (played by Dennis Waterman) drives a green Stag. Acorn and Britbox have some excellent quirky British TV.
>> 
>> Stan 
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
>> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:20 AM
>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
>> 
>> We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.
>> 
>> So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.
>> 
>> There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?
>> 
>> Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.
>> 
>> It is a good show and the acting is very good.
>> 
>> Cheers!
>> 
>> Bob
>> 
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Sun Mar  7 17:10:09 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 00:10:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
In-Reply-To: <ED0A496D-C5E9-46BA-9A46-5E8E8134FCFA@wfeca.net>
References: <fe29706e-ca0d-be48-6077-23f54cd15e68@adelphia.net>
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Indeed they are! They just failed to appear on the Acorn website I looked at. Maybe I failed to spend time studying it or the version that Google offered was different to mainstream? Don?t watch much TV anyway as my hearing aids pick up the high pitches and not the low ones, the adverts bore me witless and the dramas are just repeats. There?s a much better choice for me on the radio - especially short wave current affairs progs which I?ve long enjoyed.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 7 Mar 2021, at 21:41, Robert Jones <rjones at wfeca.net> wrote:
> 
> Come on John.  Don?t tell me that Midsomer Murders, Poirot, Miss Marple and Doc Martin aren?t British.  All on Acorn.
> 
> 
> Bob
> 
>> On Mar 7, 2021, at 6:09 AM, John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
>> Just had a look at the sort of stuff served up from Acorn and Britbox. Most of the Acorn stuff is unknown to us Brits in Britland, unless the programmes have been re-titled. Britbox however, has far better material both for drama and comedy. As for the cars, it?s nice to see anything of any make that isn?t Eurobox or Jap***p. For the record, most Triumph owners over here, prefer not to rent their cars to TV companies for the ?period? look. There have been a few too many claims for damage on set or mistreatment by TV crews. Owners are not usually allowed to drive them unless it?s a ?distant? shot. Not that you get paid much anyway.
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
>> 
>>> On 7 Mar 2021, at 00:10, Stan Foster <stan at redtr6.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Endeavour was great. We also loved Detectorists (features a yellow TR7) and currently watching New Tricks where one of the main characters (played by Dennis Waterman) drives a green Stag. Acorn and Britbox have some excellent quirky British TV.
>>> 
>>> Stan 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Bob
>>> Sent: Friday, March 5, 2021 8:20 AM
>>> To: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [TR] Endeavour TV series
>>> 
>>> We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.
>>> 
>>> So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.
>>> 
>>> There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?
>>> 
>>> Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.
>>> 
>>> It is a good show and the acting is very good.
>>> 
>>> Cheers!
>>> 
>>> Bob
>>> 
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 10:27:59 2021
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 11:27:59 -0600
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
In-Reply-To: <14DEDF84-7121-4112-BB70-C6B6B89A511D@gmail.com>
References: <14DEDF84-7121-4112-BB70-C6B6B89A511D@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFC5SfVpQFbDGmbv9C-c48z7vUiLVWX7XeOvTDrBXgCmwQ@mail.gmail.com>

Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD
car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA
and is now in the midwest.

Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd
probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my
budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I
still had it!

Here?s the sales ad:
https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5

Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the
stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your
efforts in this area back in the day.
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From john at linneyweb.com  Mon Mar  8 11:21:29 2021
From: john at linneyweb.com (John Linney)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 10:21:29 -0800
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
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Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.

> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
> 
> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it!
> 
> Here?s the sales ad:
> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5 <https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5>
> 
> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Mon Mar  8 12:05:18 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 19:05:18 +0000
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
In-Reply-To: <641214F0-C01D-49FA-AC29-82C73F39CDFB@linneyweb.com>
References: <14DEDF84-7121-4112-BB70-C6B6B89A511D@gmail.com>
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I remember that car well. I wanted one then, I?d be very pleased to have one now. 
There?s a fault in the write up. 
Someone has written the fuel pump was mounted in the engine bay. Wrong. Fuel pump, primary fuel filter and pressure relief valve were mounted in the boot. The fuel metering unit was in the engine bay and driven off the back of the distributor and perhaps someone has mistaken the FMU for the old style diesel injection pumps commonly found on older normally aspirated diesels.

Jonmac

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> On 8 Mar 2021, at 18:21, John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
> 
> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.
> 
>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
>> 
>> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it!
>> 
>> Here?s the sales ad:
>> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5
>> 
>> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
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From grglmn at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 12:07:13 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 13:07:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
In-Reply-To: <641214F0-C01D-49FA-AC29-82C73F39CDFB@linneyweb.com>
References: <14DEDF84-7121-4112-BB70-C6B6B89A511D@gmail.com>
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I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5
tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs
riding a little high.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:

> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a
> little high.
>
> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD
> car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA
> and is now in the midwest.
>
> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd
> probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my
> budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I
> still had it!
>
> Here?s the sales ad:
> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5
>
> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the
> stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your
> efforts in this area back in the day.
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Mon Mar  8 15:06:35 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 22:06:35 +0000
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
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What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very different in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to give the paint a ?deeper? appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there?s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car ?ride heights? were often raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of ?give? found in a car that was conventionally sprung.

Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The truth was, it wasn?t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Standard Triumph?s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I?ve yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I?m still amazed how much I can still recall.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a little high.
> 
> Greg Lemon
> TR250
> 
>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
>> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.
>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
>>> 
>>> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it!
>>> 
>>> Here?s the sales ad:
>>> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5
>>> 
>>> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>> 
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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Mon Mar  8 15:19:23 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 22:19:23 +0000
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
In-Reply-To: <A42515CF-6D47-49DA-928F-F9A1EA1CE92D@Ukpips.org.uk>
References: <14DEDF84-7121-4112-BB70-C6B6B89A511D@gmail.com>
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 <641214F0-C01D-49FA-AC29-82C73F39CDFB@linneyweb.com>
 <CAFtw3aZJkBGdSY2Zt1X67Lct56s2SgRKqNJ4gfpZvJvFejmh0g@mail.gmail.com>
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Jonmac,

What a wonderful recollection of those Motor Show glory days!  I hope you don?t mind if I share this with a few friends.

Steve Kirby
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of John Macartney
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 2:07 PM
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?

What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very different in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to give the paint a ?deeper? appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there?s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car ?ride heights? were often raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of ?give? found in a car that was conventionally sprung.

Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The truth was, it wasn?t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Standard Triumph?s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I?ve yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I?m still amazed how much I can still recall.

Jonmac
Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com<mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>> wrote:
I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a little high.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john at linneyweb.com<mailto:john at linneyweb.com>> wrote:
Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com<mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:

Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.

Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it!

Here?s the sales ad:
https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5

Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Mon Mar  8 18:05:27 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Mon, 8 Mar 2021 20:05:27 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A Timing Cover
Message-ID: <06b801d71480$4c291850$e47b48f0$@gmail.com>

List:
Suspension refresh all done on the 67 4A.  Hurray!  Now onto various engine
oil leaks on the 72k origi motor.  Good size leak coming from the timing
cover and oil pan. Regarding timing cover, what should be replaced after
opening it up?  Any tips on replacing front oil seal without mucking it all
up as they say.  Planning on a cover gasket and oil seal.  Manual says
probably need new tensioner.  I'm not a motor internals guy.  Doable for do
it yourselfer?  I would like to learn how to do it.  
Thanks in advance
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8



From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Mon Mar  8 18:45:27 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 01:45:27 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A Timing Cover
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This is a DIY job. Just don?t rotate anything if you remove the timing chain. Chain and tensioner are relatively inexpensive.

I would inspect the fan pulley hub surface for any wear. That?s where the oil seal rides. There is a speedi-sleeve available for that. I used one, solved my oil leak.

There is a pedestal that supports the timing cover that is not shown in the factory parts diagram (Moss number is 328-995). When reassembling, don?t forget to put a fibre washer of some sort between the pedestal and the timing cover, since the washer and nut won?t seal from the outside.

Cliff


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From: Jim Henningsen<mailto:trguy75 at gmail.com>
Sent: Monday, March 8, 2021 6:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] TR4A Timing Cover

List:
Suspension refresh all done on the 67 4A.  Hurray!  Now onto various engine
oil leaks on the 72k origi motor.  Good size leak coming from the timing
cover and oil pan. Regarding timing cover, what should be replaced after
opening it up?  Any tips on replacing front oil seal without mucking it all
up as they say.  Planning on a cover gasket and oil seal.  Manual says
probably need new tensioner.  I'm not a motor internals guy.  Doable for do
it yourselfer?  I would like to learn how to do it.
Thanks in advance
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8


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From anabil007 at comcast.net  Tue Mar  9 09:02:32 2021
From: anabil007 at comcast.net (WILLIAM PUGH)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 08:02:32 -0800
Subject: [TR] Favor To Ask!
Message-ID: <mailman.43.1615305756.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

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Hello,
Need a favor from you, Do you have an Account withAmazon.
Thanks.
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  9 09:37:56 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 10:37:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] Favor To Ask!
In-Reply-To: <20210309160255.4D23CA0CDE@autox.team.net>
References: <20210309160255.4D23CA0CDE@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <000001d71502$907bf680$b173e380$@yahoo.com>

Yes, why?

 

From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WILLIAM
PUGH
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 10:03 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] Favor To Ask!

 

Hello,

Need a favor from you, Do you have an Account withAmazon.

Thanks.

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From spitlist at cox.net  Tue Mar  9 10:03:34 2021
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 12:03:34 -0500 (EST)
Subject: [TR] Favor To Ask!
In-Reply-To: <000001d71502$907bf680$b173e380$@yahoo.com>
References: <20210309160255.4D23CA0CDE@autox.team.net>
 <000001d71502$907bf680$b173e380$@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <1852730746.640869.1615309414963@myemail.cox.net>

Looks like a SCAM!


> On March 9, 2021 at 11:37 AM Notakitcar <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> 
>     Yes, why?
> 
>      
> 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  9 10:37:41 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 11:37:41 -0600
Subject: [TR] Favor To Ask!
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Yep, just send $150 and we?ll be good!

#dontkillgrandma

On Mar 9, 2021, at 11:03 AM, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:

? Looks like a SCAM! 

> On March 9, 2021 at 11:37 AM Notakitcar <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote: 
> 
> Yes, why?
>  
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PUGH
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Mar  9 10:52:56 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Tue, 09 Mar 2021 11:52:56 -0600
Subject: [TR] Favor To Ask!
In-Reply-To: <A4AE0154-E535-4F80-AAC5-602C82FAAAAD@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <mailman.44.1615312380.2736.triumphs@autox.team.net>

Wait.? ?Send it to me!? Paypal or zelle!
-------- Original message --------From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com> Date: 3/9/21  11:38 AM  (GMT-06:00) To: JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net Subject: Re: [TR] Favor To Ask! Yep, just send $150 and we?ll be good!#dontkillgrandmaOn Mar 9, 2021, at 11:03 AM, JOE CURRY <spitlist at cox.net> wrote:?

  
   
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  Looks like a SCAM!
  
  
   On March 9, 2021 at 11:37 AM Notakitcar <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
   
   
   
    Yes, why?
    ?
    
     
      From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of WILLIAM PUGHSent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 10:03 AMTo: triumphs at autox.team.netSubject: [TR] Favor To Ask!
     
    
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From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Tue Mar  9 12:06:01 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:06:01 +0000
Subject: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
Message-ID: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>

I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.

Thanks,

Cliff


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From grglmn at gmail.com  Tue Mar  9 12:14:46 2021
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 13:14:46 -0600
Subject: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and
never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midget,
MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.

Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, if
stretched it will bind.

Greg Lemon, TR250

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 1:06 PM Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:

> I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the
> machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the
> head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even
> if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on
> this, but am interested in yours.
>
>
>
> Thanks,
>
>
>
> Cliff
>
>
>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  9 12:17:35 2021
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 13:17:35 -0600
Subject: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
References: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
Message-ID: <A591EC93-F2A8-418B-8909-1095D2F3BCA4@yahoo.com>

I have re-used TR3 head studs. One failure that shot the stud into the bonnet with enough force to create a 1/2? dimple.  
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

On Mar 9, 2021, at 1:06 PM, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:

?
I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.
 
Thanks,
 
Cliff
 
 
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From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Tue Mar  9 12:25:23 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:25:23 +0000
Subject: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
In-Reply-To: <CAFtw3aaAUb3S93St1LnOJGXrvcK0WN1LTJ5j3WiDg6RYnctzHg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <CAFtw3aaAUb3S93St1LnOJGXrvcK0WN1LTJ5j3WiDg6RYnctzHg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a65c5e9a513447af9d772fd37c4858db@chinaautogroup.com>

Modern engines use a ?stretch to clamp? type of head stud which maintains the torque.  These are a ?one and done? part and cannot be reused, which has given rise to the myth that head studs should always be replaced.  Our old cars were not that technically sophisticated.  As long as the old studs show no signs of corrosion or other physical damage, there is no reason not to reuse them.  I would chase the threads on both the studs and nuts to be sure there is no binding which would give you a false torque reading.  I use the blue thread locker on the end that goes into the block and anti-seize on the nut end (though that is a subject of some debate).

Steve Kirby
President
China Auto Group
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From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Greg Lemon
Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 11:15 AM
To: Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com>
Cc: list Triumph <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?

I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midget, MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.

Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, if stretched it will bind.

Greg Lemon, TR250

On Tue, Mar 9, 2021, 1:06 PM Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com<mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com>> wrote:
I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.

Thanks,

Cliff


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Tue Mar  9 12:59:59 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:59:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
In-Reply-To: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
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 i have never replaced head studs.they have considerable redundancy in their design i cant imagine them ever giving way.some people differ.
Frank



    On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 11:06:40 AM PST, Cliff Hansen <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:  
 
  
I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.

 ?
 
Thanks,

 ?
 
Cliff

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From yellowtr at adelphia.net  Tue Mar  9 13:50:32 2021
From: yellowtr at adelphia.net (Bob)
Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 15:50:32 -0500
Subject: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
In-Reply-To: <189907259.766787.1615319999046@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CY4PR14MB1461C6567EC28686DAF0E2E9FA929@CY4PR14MB1461.namprd14.prod.outlook.com>
 <189907259.766787.1615319999046@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <40a8d7ac-0627-fa7d-5540-98ee5da95f04@adelphia.net>

Same here. I have never experienced a failure. I did strip a nut years 
back but I am guessing it was my fault.

Bob

On 3/9/21 2:59 PM, Frank Fisher wrote:
> i have never replaced head studs.
> they have considerable redundancy in their design i cant imagine them 
> ever giving way.
> some people differ.
>
> Frank
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, March 9, 2021, 11:06:40 AM PST, Cliff Hansen 
> <cliff_hansen at outlook.com> wrote:
>
>
> I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at 
> the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you 
> re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely 
> original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I 
> have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.
>
> Thanks,
>
> Cliff
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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 13:52:58 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 12:52:58 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 63
In-Reply-To: <mailman.10.1615402802.668.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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     I check them for stretching by cleaning them up, oiling lightly and
then running a nut down. If it doesn't thread down easily then it is
stretched. I also replace studs showing corrosion damage. Never had a head
gasket failure yet in 30 years of ownership.

     Bill Brewer
     Morro Bay, CA


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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 14:28:08 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:28:08 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR Head Studs
References: <00ce01d715f4$452adf00$cf809d00$.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00ce01d715f4$452adf00$cf809d00$@yahoo.com>

     I replace them. Never chase the threads. New studs are available. I
bought a box of 50 studs years ago off of Ebay. I threw out most of them as
corroded and stretched. I ended up with a lot of good spares. I would offer
you one, but they are packed away in storage.

     Whenever I rebuild a TR engine I usually end up replacing about about 3
studs each rebuild. Usually because of rust, but sometimes because of
stretching.

 

     -Bill

 

 

From: Cliff Hansen [mailto:cliff_hansen at outlook.com] 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:18 PM
To: Bill Brewer
Subject: RE: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 63

 

Bill,

 

Thanks for this. Do you replace stretched studs, or chase the threads and
reuse them?

 

This is the first time in 30 years I've been into the engine.

 

Cliff

 

 

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From: Bill Brewer <mailto:billbrewer59 at yahoo.com> 
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 1:54 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 63

 

     I check them for stretching by cleaning them up, oiling lightly and
then running a nut down. If it doesn't thread down easily then it is
stretched. I also replace studs showing corrosion damage. Never had a head
gasket failure yet in 30 years of ownership.

     Bill Brewer
     Morro Bay, CA


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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 10 14:40:23 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 13:40:23 -0800
Subject: [TR] TR Head Studs - Humor
References: <00db01d715f5$fb06b2d0$f1141870$.ref@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <00db01d715f5$fb06b2d0$f1141870$@yahoo.com>

     So I have a 1953 Morgan and a 1960 TR3A. The Morgan has the original
Standard Vanguard engine, which is the precursor to the TR2 engine. It uses
the same short block internals as a TR3, but has a different head, manifolds
and uses 7/16ths head studs while the TR3 uses ?? head studs. When
rebuilding the Morgan engine, the head studs were stretched, corroded and
bent, so I had to source new ones. 

     I called ARP to ask them. The conversation went something like this:

                Me: I need head studs for a very uncommon engine.

                ARP: Man, I?ve heard them all. What da ya got?

                Me: A 1953 Morgan with the original Standard Vanguard
engine.

                ARP: (Crickets)

 

                Me: Are you still there?

                ARP: Yah. I have never heard of any of those things. Let me
put you through to custom fabrication.

 

                Me: Wait, wait, wait. I need 7/16ths studs, 10 and a half
inches long, coarse on one end and fine on the other.

                ARP: Why didn?t you say so? That?s a head stud for a 302
Ford.

     

     They worked great. About $77 delivered from ARP.

 

     Bill Brewer

     Morro Bay, CA

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Mar 10 15:00:51 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:00:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
Message-ID: <4a3c139e-af04-c57b-29fc-50070bb31a4f@porterscustom.com>

Anyone with recent experience?? Are they just seriously glued down from 
the factory? All fasteners removed or loose and it still won't budge... 
anyone?

DaveP

-- 
Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/


From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Mar 10 15:19:11 2021
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 17:19:11 -0500
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
In-Reply-To: <4a3c139e-af04-c57b-29fc-50070bb31a4f@porterscustom.com>
References: <4a3c139e-af04-c57b-29fc-50070bb31a4f@porterscustom.com>
Message-ID: <0MYhG8-1lGFXZ3tqM-00VNTF@mrelay.perfora.net>

If you?re referring to the covering on the top of the dash, you have to also remove the windshield in addition to the wood dash and loosen the metal dash

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: David P
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:06 PM
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6

Anyone with recent experience?? Are they just seriously glued down from 
the factory? All fasteners removed or loose and it still won't budge... 
anyone?

DaveP

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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Mar 10 15:43:55 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 15:43:55 -0700
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
In-Reply-To: <0MYhG8-1lGFXZ3tqM-00VNTF@mrelay.perfora.net>
References: <4a3c139e-af04-c57b-29fc-50070bb31a4f@porterscustom.com>
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Message-ID: <8a26f550-16c1-96a4-ae64-a31beb5a72e5@porterscustom.com>

I have the windshield very loose..all the way off???? It must just be? 
sun welded to the frame ..dp

On 3/10/2021 3:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote:
>
> If you?re referring to the covering on the top of the dash, you have 
> to also remove the windshield in addition to the wood dash and loosen 
> the metal dash
>
> Bob Danielson
> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>
> *From: *David P <mailto:frogeye at porterscustom.com>
> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:06 PM
> *To: *Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> *Subject: *[TR] dash cap removal TR6
>
> Anyone with recent experience?? Are they just seriously glued down from
>
> the factory? All fasteners removed or loose and it still won't budge...
>
> anyone?
>
> DaveP
>
> -- 
>
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> My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Mar 10 16:44:39 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 16:44:39 -0700
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
In-Reply-To: <8a26f550-16c1-96a4-ae64-a31beb5a72e5@porterscustom.com>
References: <4a3c139e-af04-c57b-29fc-50070bb31a4f@porterscustom.com>
 <0MYhG8-1lGFXZ3tqM-00VNTF@mrelay.perfora.net>
 <8a26f550-16c1-96a4-ae64-a31beb5a72e5@porterscustom.com>
Message-ID: <9994f633-e6d2-ee5b-d9a1-29c75a350279@porterscustom.com>

Thanks Bob,? a tiny bit of heat from a heat gun got it coming loose..

On 3/10/2021 3:43 PM, David P wrote:
>
> I have the windshield very loose..all the way off???? It must just be? 
> sun welded to the frame ..dp
>
> On 3/10/2021 3:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote:
>>
>> If you?re referring to the covering on the top of the dash, you have 
>> to also remove the windshield in addition to the wood dash and loosen 
>> the metal dash
>>
>> Bob Danielson
>> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
>> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>>
>> *From: *David P <mailto:frogeye at porterscustom.com>
>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:06 PM
>> *To: *Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> *Subject: *[TR] dash cap removal TR6
>>
>> Anyone with recent experience?? Are they just seriously glued down from
>>
>> the factory? All fasteners removed or loose and it still won't budge...
>>
>> anyone?
>>
>> DaveP
>>
>> -- 
>>
>> Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 505-352-1378 
>> My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/
>>
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Mar 10 17:00:21 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David P)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 17:00:21 -0700
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
In-Reply-To: <9994f633-e6d2-ee5b-d9a1-29c75a350279@porterscustom.com>
References: <4a3c139e-af04-c57b-29fc-50070bb31a4f@porterscustom.com>
 <0MYhG8-1lGFXZ3tqM-00VNTF@mrelay.perfora.net>
 <8a26f550-16c1-96a4-ae64-a31beb5a72e5@porterscustom.com>
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Message-ID: <9afec49d-4693-53f9-4a37-b45ee5dedcaa@porterscustom.com>


On 3/10/2021 4:44 PM, David P wrote:
>
> Thanks Bob,? a tiny bit of heat from a heat gun got it coming loose..
>
> On 3/10/2021 3:43 PM, David P wrote:
>>
>> I have the windshield very loose..all the way off???? It must just 
>> be? sun welded to the frame ..dp
>>
>> On 3/10/2021 3:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote:
>>>
>>> If you?re referring to the covering on the top of the dash, you have 
>>> to also remove the windshield in addition to the wood dash and 
>>> loosen the metal dash
>>>
>>> Bob Danielson
>>> TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
>>> http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
>>>
>>> *From: *David P <mailto:frogeye at porterscustom.com>
>>> *Sent: *Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:06 PM
>>> *To: *Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net) 
>>> <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
>>> *Subject: *[TR] dash cap removal TR6
>>>
>>> Anyone with recent experience?? Are they just seriously glued down from
>>>
>>> the factory? All fasteners removed or loose and it still won't budge...
>>>
>>> anyone?
>>>
>>> DaveP
>>>
>>> -- 
>>>
>>> Porter Custom Bicycles 2909 Arno St. NE Albuquerque, NM. 
>>> 505-352-1378 My World go here: WWW.PORTERBIKES.COM/
>>>
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From frogeye at porterscustom.com  Wed Mar 10 18:07:49 2021
From: frogeye at porterscustom.com (David Porter)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 18:07:49 -0700
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
Message-ID: <yytofkoq6qsnw7h0jyyt3nhw.1615424869218@email.android.com>

The car has been repainted in a non factory metallic green. Not my car so, vents and hoses to be replaced. I'll inform the owner. Thanks again.

On March 10, 2021, at 5:54 PM, Bob Danielson <75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org> wrote:

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I like the color?.. looks familiar to me ?

?

I notice the eyeball and demister hoses lying in the footwell. If you haven?t bought replacement hoses yet, get them from McMaster? https://www.mcmaster.com/duct-hose ?. Way cheaper than buying the Triumph ones. I also did away with the eyeball vents that are behind the dash to minimize clutter. They never did anything anyway!

And think of me when it?s time for a new interior panel kit and boot cover http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm 

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

?

From: David P
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] dash cap removal TR6

?

?

On 3/10/2021 4:44 PM, David P wrote:

Thanks Bob,? a tiny bit of heat from a heat gun got it coming loose.. 

On 3/10/2021 3:43 PM, David P wrote:

I have the windshield very loose..all the way off???? It must just be? sun welded to the frame ..dp

On 3/10/2021 3:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote:

If you?re referring to the covering on the top of the dash, you have to also remove the windshield in addition to the wood dash and loosen the metal dash

?

Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

?

From: David P
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:06 PM
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6

?

Anyone with recent experience?? Are they just seriously glued down from 

the factory? All fasteners removed or loose and it still won't budge... 

anyone?

?

DaveP

?

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From 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org  Wed Mar 10 17:54:13 2021
From: 75tr6 at tr6.danielsonfamily.org (Bob Danielson)
Date: Wed, 10 Mar 2021 19:54:13 -0500
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
In-Reply-To: <9afec49d-4693-53f9-4a37-b45ee5dedcaa@porterscustom.com>
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I like the color?.. looks familiar to me ?

I notice the eyeball and demister hoses lying in the footwell. If you haven?t bought replacement hoses yet, get them from McMaster  https://www.mcmaster.com/duct-hose ?. Way cheaper than buying the Triumph ones. I also did away with the eyeball vents that are behind the dash to minimize clutter. They never did anything anyway!
 And think of me when it?s time for a new interior panel kit and boot cover http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm 
Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm

From: David P
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 7:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] dash cap removal TR6


On 3/10/2021 4:44 PM, David P wrote:
Thanks Bob,? a tiny bit of heat from a heat gun got it coming loose.. 
On 3/10/2021 3:43 PM, David P wrote:
I have the windshield very loose..all the way off???? It must just be? sun welded to the frame ..dp
On 3/10/2021 3:19 PM, Bob Danielson wrote:
If you?re referring to the covering on the top of the dash, you have to also remove the windshield in addition to the wood dash and loosen the metal dash
?
Bob Danielson
TR6 Interior Panels, Boot Covers and Fender Blankets
http://tr6.danielsonfamily.org/PanelBootSales1.htm
?
From: David P
Sent: Wednesday, March 10, 2021 5:06 PM
To: Triumphs (triumphs at autox.team.net)
Subject: [TR] dash cap removal TR6
?
Anyone with recent experience?? Are they just seriously glued down from 
the factory? All fasteners removed or loose and it still won't budge... 
anyone?
?
DaveP
?
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From coefront at shaw.ca  Thu Mar 11 16:48:49 2021
From: coefront at shaw.ca (Michael Coe)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 16:48:49 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 58
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Bob:

I always found the British Police polite and exceptional at their job when I was growing up in Britain. Learning this whilst riding / driving my AJS Motor Cycle as my first motorized transport. Mind you I guess problems are always present in any occupation! Perhaps they never stopped me because I was too good a rider {no !!}. Certainly the AJS more than prepared me for North American driving immigrating to Canada the late age of 18! 

T.V. was a bit rudimentary my young days those days, but the cop shows were good even then.

Currently I have a 1982 TR8. A whiz of a car. Lovely exhaust note I never tire of.

Cheers
Mike




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> Date: Thu, 4 Mar 2021 22:08:01 +0000 (UTC)
> From: George Haynes <ghaynestr4 at aol.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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> We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.
> 
> So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp 
> speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd 
> was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just 
> parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a 
> TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.
> 
> There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character 
> drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?
> 
> Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.
> 
> It is a good show and the acting is very good.
> 
> Cheers!
> 
> Bob
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Mar 11 18:14:11 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 11 Mar 2021 17:14:11 -0800
Subject: [TR] Looking for a turn signal part
Message-ID: <CANLCLaHRK4_UN+RAZYjYoyREMpgmZbq7JAp-2wb71abkz8+JWQ@mail.gmail.com>

My LHD Triumph was fitted with a RHD turn signal. The turn signal is
fitted  on the left of the column.  If you notice, the handle of the
trumpet is upside down.
Does any have a broken turn signal from a LHD car they would like to
part with? I'm thinking I can swap this piece out.
I have a Stag, but TR7s and later Spitfires have a similar looking turn
signal . The alternative is to take the end cap of and rotate the bit it's
attached too by 180 degrees
Regards, Sujit

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From trhouse at columbus.rr.com  Fri Mar 12 08:05:29 2021
From: trhouse at columbus.rr.com (trhouse at columbus.rr.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 15:05:29 +0000
Subject: [TR] FW: Dan and Livie  sympathies  re Mid Ohio 2002
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Thanks to Dan for this pic . Wife and Best friend for over 50 years..
She was a strong supporter of the Triumph Marque. Great Navigator in
our early years. Membership Chairperson for Triumph Register of
America for many years. 
Mid Ohio and Kas 2002.....
Search "Susie Wood Householder Facebook" for a tribute to her 

	-----------------------------------------From: "Styduhar, Daniel Lee"

To: "Tom Householder"
Cc: 
Sent: Thursday March 11 2021 10:05:50PM
Subject: Dan and Livie want to extent to you our sincerest sympatyhies

  Tom,  
  I am so saddened to hear of Suzie's passing. My wife and I wish to
extend
  to you our sincerest condolences. I attended only a few of the TRA 
National meets but the ones we did attend, my wife and I enjoyed being
  in the company of the Register members and of course you and Suzie
and  the famous auctions. I was going through some pictures to upload
to  the FOT website and came across the attached picture.  
  Yours in Sympathy  Dan and Olivia Styduhar

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From Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com  Fri Mar 12 10:37:33 2021
From: Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com (Gregmogdoc at surfnetusa.com)
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 2021 09:37:33 -0800
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 63
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WE have reused TR-4 cylinder head stud over and over many times with no failures.  We inspect them for thread distortion and discard them if the threads are damaged. We will also discard studs that have excessive rust damage & pitting.  We torque the head nuts to 85 lbs. ft or torque using permatex "never sieze" on the threads and under the nut where it presses on the flat washer. we make sure to use good, hard, flat, & undamaged washers.  "MR. Gasket" 1/2 head washers work well a couple of times, thenm need to be replaced. They are inexpensive.  I believe that they are made to fit a Poniac v-8.  
    We torque the head cold, warm up the engine and then retorque the nuts again with the engine at full operating temp.  It is not necessary to torque the head to 105 lbs. ft!  We have used stock Payan gaskets, the genuine Payan steel shim gaskets, & other aftermarket gaskets and thay all work well with this proceedure.  We have not had success with solid copper sheet gaskets.  We like the liner projection to be around .005" with no more than .001" variation between adjacent cylinders.
                                                      Greg Solow



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   3. Re: would any of you re-use head studs? (bill beecher)
   4. Re: would any of you re-use head studs? (Steve Kirby)
   5. Re: would any of you re-use head studs? (Frank Fisher)
   6. Re: would any of you re-use head studs? (Bob)


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I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.

Thanks,

Cliff


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I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and
never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midget,
MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.

Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, if
stretched it will bind.

Greg Lemon, TR250

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> I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the
> machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the
> head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even
> if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on
> this, but am interested in yours.
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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 13:17:35 -0600


I have re-used TR3 head studs. One failure that shot the stud into the bonnet with enough force to create a 1/2? dimple.  
Bill

#dontkillgrandma

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I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.
 
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Modern engines use a ?stretch to clamp? type of head stud which maintains the torque.  These are a ?one and done? part and cannot be reused, which has given rise to the myth that head studs should always be replaced.  Our old cars were not that technically sophisticated.  As long as the old studs show no signs of corrosion or other physical damage, there is no reason not to reuse them.  I would chase the threads on both the studs and nuts to be sure there is no binding which would give you a false torque reading.  I use the blue thread locker on the end that goes into the block and anti-seize on the nut end (though that is a subject of some debate).

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I know some people always replace them, I have never replaced them and never had a problem with head gaskets or heads--the includes Sprite/Midget, MGB, 4 and 6 cylinder TR, and big Healey.

Somebody, maybe Randall, said run a good nut up and down the thread, if stretched it will bind.

Greg Lemon, TR250

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I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.

Thanks,

Cliff


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Date: Tue, 9 Mar 2021 19:59:59 +0000 (UTC)


 i have never replaced head studs.they have considerable redundancy in their design i cant imagine them ever giving way.some people differ.
Frank



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I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.

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Same here. I have never experienced a failure. I did strip a nut years 
back but I am guessing it was my fault.

Bob

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> i have never replaced head studs.
> they have considerable redundancy in their design i cant imagine them 
> ever giving way.
> some people differ.
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> I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at 
> the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you 
> re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely 
> original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I 
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From robertrudolphi at yahoo.com  Sat Mar 13 09:14:19 2021
From: robertrudolphi at yahoo.com (robert rudolphi)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 16:14:19 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Powdercoating top frame
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Hi List,

I am replacing the top on my 74 TR6. I am considering have the frame powder coated and some firms are telling me no problem, others are saying they can not because?"These are too intricate and the coating could reduce the mobility of the top". Looking for any feedback as to been there done that.

Thanks,

Robert

From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Mar 13 15:04:46 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 22:04:46 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 14, Issue 58
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 I second that TR8 sentiment.? I just got my new acquisition started for the first time today.? I bought it in boxes and some assembly was required.? The fine wine of success! 
 
Dave 

 
 
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Bob:

I always found the British Police polite and exceptional at their job when I was growing up in Britain. Learning this whilst riding / driving my AJS Motor Cycle as my first motorized transport. Mind you I guess problems are always present in any occupation! Perhaps they never stopped me because I was too good a rider {no !!}. Certainly the AJS more than prepared me for North American driving immigrating to Canada the late age of 18! 

T.V. was a bit rudimentary my young days those days, but the cop shows were good even then.

Currently I have a 1982 TR8. A whiz of a car. Lovely exhaust note I never tire of.

Cheers
Mike




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> We have been watching this British TV cop show for a few weeks now.
> 
> So far there has been 2 TR3As shown, one quick car chase where the perp 
> speeds through the country trying to get away from the coppers. The 2nd 
> was what looked like a club outing of some sort where the 3 was just 
> parked next to an AH 3000. One of the last episodes we watched had a 
> TR4A being driven by one of the suspects. Car was parked.
> 
> There have also been a few more views of the AH 3000. Main character 
> drives an older Jaguar maybe a Mark IV?
> 
> Have also seen many Austins but no original Minis.
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> It is a good show and the acting is very good.
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> Cheers!
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From dblambert at cox.net  Sat Mar 13 18:51:51 2021
From: dblambert at cox.net (Dennis and Bridget)
Date: Sat, 13 Mar 2021 17:51:51 -0800
Subject: [TR] Powdercoating top frame
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I had my ?71 TR6 top frame powdered coated in semi-gloss black about two years ago.  The frame looks and works fine.  A single drop of 3-in-1 oil on each joint and voila, no issues.  Just my single experience of course...
Dennis

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> I am replacing the top on my 74 TR6. I am considering have the frame powder coated and some firms are telling me no problem, others are saying they can not because "These are too intricate and the coating could reduce the mobility of the top". Looking for any feedback as to been there done that.
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> 
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Mon Mar 15 11:33:30 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:33:30 +0000
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
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I?ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. From the info on the certificate, it?s clear it was built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified very clearly on the build record and sales invoice as ?motor show car? and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. It?s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn?t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that category.

Jonmac 



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> On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
> 
> What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very different in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to give the paint a ?deeper? appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there?s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car ?ride heights? were often raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of ?give? found in a car that was conventionally sprung.
> 
> Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The truth was, it wasn?t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Standard Triumph?s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I?ve yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I?m still amazed how much I can still recall.
> 
> Jonmac
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> 
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a little high.
>> 
>> Greg Lemon
>> TR250
>> 
>>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
>>> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.
>>> 
>>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> 
>>>> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
>>>> 
>>>> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it!
>>>> 
>>>> Here?s the sales ad:
>>>> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5
>>>> 
>>>> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
>>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From: ptegler at verizon.net (ptegler at verizon.net)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:44:57 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
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I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve a cert with invalid info.
As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for it!rubbish.Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$
ptegler


-----Original Message-----
From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?

I?ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. From the info on the certificate, it?s clear it was built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified very clearly on the build record and sales invoice as ?motor show car? and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. It?s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn?t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that category.
Jonmac?


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On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:



What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very different in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to give the paint a ?deeper? appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there?s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car ?ride heights? were often raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of ?give? found in a car that was conventionally sprung.
Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The truth was, it wasn?t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Standard Triumph?s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I?ve yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I?m still amazed how much I can still recall.
Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:


I don't believe the suspension was raised.? Might appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a little high.
Greg LemonTR250
On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:

Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.


On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
Anybody know the car?? It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.? My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.? But today -- I wish I still had it!
Here?s the sales ad:
https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5

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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Mon Mar 15 14:38:51 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 20:38:51 +0000
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
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Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is either a ?ringer? or the seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, ptegler at verizon.net wrote:
> 
> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve a cert with invalid info.
> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for it!
> rubbish.
> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$
> 
> ptegler
> 
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>
> To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm
> Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
> 
> I?ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. From the info on the certificate, it?s clear it was built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified very clearly on the build record and sales invoice as ?motor show car? and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. It?s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn?t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that category.
> 
> Jonmac 
> 
> 
> 
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
> 
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk> wrote:
>> 
> 
> What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very different in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, the paint finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed several times to give the paint a ?deeper? appearance. Engine blocks were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as well and there?s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move on the stand because of the crowds. Car ?ride heights? were often raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount of ?give? found in a car that was conventionally sprung.
> 
> Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking to people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than polite, eating the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The truth was, it wasn?t. We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece suits (bought at our cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs and a detachable stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like a guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will admit we, Standard Triumph?s public face, looked good and perhaps we had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I?ve yet to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about his/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and model of car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty years later, I?m still amazed how much I can still recall.
> 
> Jonmac
> 
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
> 
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I don't believe the suspension was raised.  Might appear taller as TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new springs riding a little high.
>> 
>> Greg Lemon
>> TR250
>> 
>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john at linneyweb.com> wrote:
>> Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It looks a little high.
>> 
>>> On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>> Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere, has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
>>> 
>>> Anybody know the car?  It's said to be a pretty special TR, and I'd probably agree.  My first car in life was a TR250, unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the time.  But today -- I wish I still had it!
>>> 
>>> Here?s the sales ad:
>>> https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5
>>> 
>>> Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications and the stuff around engines.  Jonmac, this makes us smile to think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
>>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>>> 
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From ptegler at verizon.net  Mon Mar 15 15:45:40 2021
From: ptegler at verizon.net (Paul Tegler)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 17:45:40 -0400
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
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..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better now, 
never know

ptegler

On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney wrote:
> Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who 
> used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates and 
> although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that 
> work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slightest 
> doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not 
> be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have 
> no idea (or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I 
> still incline to the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is 
> either a ?ringer? or the seller is making a claim that cannot be 
> substantiated.
>
> Jonmac
>
> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest 
> intentions.
>
> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, ptegler at verizon.net 
> <mailto:ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>
>> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance 
>> recieve a cert with invalid info.
>> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a 
>> cert for it!
>> rubbish.
>> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a 
>> particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different 
>> lineages of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown 
>> on paper for the $$
>>
>> ptegler
>>
>>
>> -----Original Message-----
>> From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk 
>> <mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>>
>> To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>>
>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
>>
>> I?ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. 
>> From the info on the certificate, it?s clear it was built for a named 
>> customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal 
>> Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for 
>> display at any international motor show were identified very clearly 
>> on the build record and sales invoice as ?motor show car? and this 
>> would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the 
>> microfilmed records. It?s also worth mentioning the company would 
>> never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show 
>> such as those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, 
>> Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person 
>> whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have been in England 
>> FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? 
>> No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me 
>> wrong. I wouldn?t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but 
>> no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and 
>> pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often 
>> in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car 
>> fits that category.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>>
>>
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest 
>> intentions.
>>
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 22:06, John Macartney <John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk 
>> <mailto:John.Macartney at ukpips.org.uk>> wrote:
>>
>> What many people fail to realise is that motor show cars are very 
>> different in many ways to the normal production version. For a start, 
>> the paint finish received detailed attention and were often resprayed 
>> several times to give the paint a ?deeper? appearance. Engine blocks 
>> were a shiny black, as were hoses. Body and door shut lines underwent 
>> considerable work and door shuts themselves were silky smooth in 
>> operation and quiet to operate. This was always difficult to achieve 
>> on the Herald, GT6 and Spitfire as closing most doors on those models 
>> mostly sounded like putting the lid on an empty trash can. Every 
>> night after show closure, the carpets, seats and door cards in all 
>> cars were exchanged for new ones and any faults or problems reported 
>> to the Stand Manager during the day were rectified. Knobs, switches, 
>> lenses that had been stolen or damaged through clumsy removal were 
>> also replaced. Leaking or non functional hydraulics were replaced as 
>> well and there?s a moral here. NEVER buy a car that has done a stint 
>> as a display vehicle at a ten day motor show. It will have gone 
>> through hell in that time and Engineering always studied reports of 
>> how the cars had held up during the show. Theft, attempted or actual 
>> was by no means unknown and one day a man wearing a pair of white 
>> overalls was actually caught trying to remove a Herald 
>> differential!!! It happened on a Saturday when you could hardly move 
>> on the stand because of the crowds. Car ?ride heights? were often 
>> raised a little to allow for the daily punishment of people of 
>> various weights collapsing into cars on a crowded stand. This did 
>> little to give seats a gentle life! Mostly, this was achieved by 
>> temporarily fitting all cars with heavy duty tropical suspension for 
>> the show duration. Doing this meant there was nothing like the amount 
>> of ?give? found in a car that was conventionally sprung.
>>
>> Was the motor show experience enjoyable? If you like standing on your 
>> feet from 09.00 to 22.00 without somewhere to sit down, for ten days 
>> solid in an unhealthy atmosphere that gave everyone flu and talking 
>> to people who mostly bored you witless and were often less than 
>> polite, eating the same outside catered lunch and no chance of a 
>> quick beer, I suppose it might have been. The truth was, it wasn?t. 
>> We all had to wear dark, tailored three piece suits (bought at our 
>> cost), starched cotton shirts with turned back cuffs and a detachable 
>> stiff shirt collar and sober tie. Shoes had to be polished like a 
>> guardsmans boots, clean finger nails, immaculately clean and parted 
>> hair and heaven help you after a day attired like that if the Stand 
>> Manager detected even a tiny whiff of halitosis or sweat. Yes, I will 
>> admit we, Standard Triumph?s public face, looked good and perhaps we 
>> had a little virtuous pride in ourselves - but to this day, I?ve yet 
>> to meet any car company employee or salesman who knew as much about 
>> his/her product AND the same level of detail of every other make and 
>> model of car that competed with us. To this day and well over fifty 
>> years later, I?m still amazed how much I can still recall.
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest 
>> intentions.
>>
>> On 8 Mar 2021, at 19:07, Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com 
>> <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>
>>> I don't believe the suspension was raised.? Might appear taller as 
>>> TR5 tires were skinnier 165, vs. 250 on wider 185/70, or just new 
>>> springs riding a little high.
>>>
>>> Greg Lemon
>>> TR250
>>>
>>> On Mon, Mar 8, 2021, 12:29 PM John Linney <john at linneyweb.com 
>>> <mailto:john at linneyweb.com>> wrote:
>>>
>>>     Lovely car. Did they raise the ride height from the TR4 / 4A? It
>>>     looks a little high.
>>>
>>>>     On Mar 8, 2021, at 9:27 AM, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com
>>>>     <mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:
>>>>
>>>>     Friends in NL have reported that a superbly-restored TR5, the
>>>>     original LHD car from the 1967 Earls Court Motor Show premiere,
>>>>     has been sold to the USA and is now in the midwest.
>>>>
>>>>     Anybody know the car?? It's said to be a pretty special TR, and
>>>>     I'd probably agree.? My first car in life was a TR250,
>>>>     unrestorable given my budget, skills, and marque support at the
>>>>     time. But today -- I wish I still had it!
>>>>
>>>>     Here?s the sales ad:
>>>>     https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5
>>>>     <https://www.jbclassiccars.com/?portfolio=triumph-tr5>
>>>>
>>>>     Note the comments about the car's original Swiss-specifications
>>>>     and the stuff around engines.? Jonmac, this makes us smile to
>>>>     think about your efforts in this area back in the day.
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From dblambert at cox.net  Mon Mar 15 16:15:09 2021
From: dblambert at cox.net (Dennis and Bridget)
Date: Mon, 15 Mar 2021 15:15:09 -0700
Subject: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
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FWIW, when we visited the British Motor Museum quite some time ago (I think in 2004), I paid a visit to the Heritage Certificate folks there.  They were at that time located in a kind of out-of-the-way room in the corner, (perhaps upstairs?).  There were several people working the room; they seemed knowledgeable from the brief conversation I had with them, seemed like nice lads, and I ordered a Certificate on the spot for my 1961 TR3A.  It arrived some weeks later, and was quite accurate as to dispatch dates, numbers, etc.  I was quite pleased with it.  Just my experience - YMMV of course.
Dennis

> On Mar 15, 2021, at 2:45 PM, Paul Tegler <ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
> 
> ..my previous synopsis was the early/mid 2000s. Might be better now, never know
> 
> ptegler
> 
> On 3/15/2021 4:38 PM, John Macartney wrote:
>> Thank you for that vote of confidence. I was one of the people who used to research owner provided data to issue those certificates and although I never signed the buyer copy, the three of us who did that work, never authorised any certificate if there was even the slightest doubt about authenticity of owner provided data, or the data could not be triangulated. However, I left BMIHT some twenty years ago so have no idea (or interest now) in what may have happened in later years. I still incline to the view that the early TR5 being offered for sale is either a ?ringer? or the seller is making a claim that cannot be substantiated.
>> 
>> Jonmac
>> 
>> Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.
>> 
>> On 15 Mar 2021, at 17:44, ptegler at verizon.net <mailto:ptegler at verizon.net> wrote:
>> 
>>> I have little to no faith in Heritgage Certs.... had an aquiantance recieve a cert with invalid info.
>>> As a test he submitted a flat out bogus number an they gave him a cert for it!
>>> rubbish.
>>> Now perhaps they had/have vaild records at one time, or for a particular series of vehicles...but twice now on two different lineages of cars, the info printed on the cert was just crap thrown on paper for the $$
>>> 
>>> ptegler
>>> 
>>> 
>>> -----Original Message-----
>>> From: John Macartney <John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk <mailto:John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk>>
>>> To: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com <mailto:grglmn at gmail.com>>
>>> Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>
>>> Sent: Mon, Mar 15, 2021 1:33 pm
>>> Subject: Re: [TR] Earls Court TR5 (CP20LO) now in USA?
>>> 
>>> I?ve just had a look at the Heritage Certificate for the above car. From the info on the certificate, it?s clear it was built for a named customer in Denmark and supplied under Standard Triumphs Personal Export Scheme which I worked within for several years. Cars built for display at any international motor show were identified very clearly on the build record and sales invoice as ?motor show car? and this would have been picked up by BMIHT staff when interrogating the microfilmed records. It?s also worth mentioning the company would never have used a customer car for exhibition display at any show such as those which were as prestigious as London, Paris, Frankfurt, Geneva or New York. A show car? Not in my book, though the person whose name appears on the BMIHT document might have been in England FOR the show but his car on the main or Liverpool stands AT the show? No way - unless someone can come up with documentation to prove me wrong. I wouldn?t touch it with that claimed or alleged history but no doubt someone with more money than sense will swallow the bait and pay way over the odds for a TR5 that could well be a clone. Too often in life, things are not always what they seem and in my view this car fits that category.
>>> 
>>> Jonmac 
>>> 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 06:16:16 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 08:16:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] Lead substitutes
Message-ID: <4E962ABB-CF8B-4B31-AA68-CF430B77E1EF@gmail.com>

What?s the wisdom on using lead substitute in gas for triumph four cylinder without modifications for unleaded head.  Use, don?t use?  I use the Valvoline racing oil with zinc in the engine.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl


From cliff_hansen at outlook.com  Wed Mar 17 08:50:40 2021
From: cliff_hansen at outlook.com (Cliff Hansen)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:50:40 +0000
Subject: [TR] would any of you re-use head studs?
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Thanks to all of you who replied, either on the list or privately. I appreciate your advice.

All replies say that it is fine to re-use the studs and nuts, provided the threads of both are in good shape and there is no corrosion etc. on the studs. The key is to achieve proper clamping, which requires the threads to be in good condition so as not to waste torque overcoming thread friction.

After a good cleaning, I chased the threads on both nut and stud, noting no removal of metal from any of these pieces. Nuts spin freely down to the end of the stud thread. I?ll be re-using them, just as soon as I can get one exhaust valve (out of stock where I?ve looked but expected soon, seems to be a common feature of supply chains these days.).

Best regards,

Cliff


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Sent: Tuesday, March 9, 2021 12:06 PM
To: list Triumph<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: would any of you re-use head studs?

I respect your collective advice and experience. The 4A?s head is at the machinist for a cleanup (head gasket failure). Would any of you re-use the head studs, or would you replace them? They are likely original, and even if not, have been in place for at least 25 years. I have my thoughts on this, but am interested in yours.

Thanks,

Cliff


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From yellowtr3 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 17 08:59:21 2021
From: yellowtr3 at yahoo.com (Frank Fisher)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 14:59:21 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Lead substitutes
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References: <4E962ABB-CF8B-4B31-AA68-CF430B77E1EF@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <694200547.1443317.1615993161528@mail.yahoo.com>

 i use unleaded gas in my stock TR3 head.for the miles i put on the car on occasional weekends i don't think i will have big problems.10 years of driving that way have been ok.and my other thought is, if i need to re-do the valves pulling the head is easy.
Frank
    On Wednesday, March 17, 2021, 05:18:35 AM PDT, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 What?s the wisdom on using lead substitute in gas for triumph four cylinder without modifications for unleaded head.? Use, don?t use?? I use the Valvoline racing oil with zinc in the engine.
Thanks,
Jim Henningsen
Ocala fl

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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Wed Mar 17 10:01:14 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 16:01:14 +0000
Subject: [TR] Lead substitutes
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References: <4E962ABB-CF8B-4B31-AA68-CF430B77E1EF@gmail.com>
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JIM, at the risk of being rather wordy. In 2000, when leaded fuel for cars throughout Europe became illegal to sell, the collector car fraternity over here went into headless chicken mode. I was at BMIHT at the time and spent a lot of time talking to MG Rover Engineering for guidance info that the Centre could impart to the thousands of clubs across Europe who were asking us for guidance. At the time, MGR still had cars circulating around the world whose engines were not originally designed for unleaded fuel and dealers wanted info too.
The guidance we received was:

1. Have the cylinder head reworked to have hardened exhaust valve seats fitted. This was the most expensive option but for many was too costly if the car was being used for weekend summer trips and would probably do no more than two or three thousand miles a year.
2. If new exhaust valve seats fitting was not an option, retard the ignition and use either Castrol Valvemaster or another potassium based additive. Our 95 octane unleaded is roughly the same as your 91 octane (you calculate octane values differently to Europe) and you could also consider giving the tank an octane booster at each refill. We also have a 98 octane unleaded too which was recommended over 95 but still with a potassium additive.
3. Rely on ?lead memory?. MGR maintained that previous prolonged use with a leaded gasoline left a long term lead deposit on the valve seat which would last for a long time if the engine wasn?t raced or forced to operate under heavy load, thereby indirectly saying just retard the ignition and be gentle on the accelerator. This applied very much to the old A and B series engines found in old Mini, Spridget and MGB.

Personally, I never bothered to put hardened seats in either of my two Triumphs and never noticed the valve clearances closing up over about ten years use before I sold them. I just put in Valvemaster at every refill. We?re now 21 years down the track with unleaded only and there are still thousands of ancient and venerable cars on both sides of the pond who?ve had an unleaded diet without an additive and appear none the worse for it. However, what does concern me of late is the rapid escalation of ethanol in modern fuel and the hell it can wreak on fuel lines, pumps and diaphragms in alleged short order.

In summary, just retard your ignition a bit and use a potassium based additive and I don?t think you?ll need to worry. I?m confident you?ll receive many replies with variable views so apologies in advance for any confusion caused.

Jonmac

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> On 17 Mar 2021, at 12:16, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> What?s the wisdom on using lead substitute in gas for triumph four cylinder without modifications for unleaded head.  Use, don?t use?  I use the Valvoline racing oil with zinc in the engine.
> Thanks,
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala fl
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From smithwm845 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 17 19:22:45 2021
From: smithwm845 at gmail.com (William Smith)
Date: Wed, 17 Mar 2021 21:22:45 -0400
Subject: [TR] '72 TR6 Trip Odometer Stuck
Message-ID: <CADy_YYrPAjM_c9bPZZ56F9_j2kMAoD6QQBZFq3arTp0qsZvgLQ@mail.gmail.com>

A few hundred miles (but about 2 years ago, so it's out of warranty) I had
my TR6 speedo refurbished by Nisonger.  It was working fine until I tried
resetting the trip odometer after filling the tank with gas.

After getting the gas and getting on the highway, I noticed that I had not
reset the trip odometer. Having reset it in the past while moving without
incident, I proceeded to reset it.  This time, however, I managed to move
the tenths, individual miles, and tens place digits to move. However, when
it got to the hundreds digit, the trip odometer and it's adjustment
knob/cable jammed. When I stopped the car, I tried again, but no luck. The
regular odometer seems to be working ok so far, and I haven't driven far
enough to get the hundreds digit to reset itself after driving a hundred
miles since trying to reset.

So the question of the day is: Is there anything I can do to unjam the trip
odometer without major surgery??

(Dr. Tony Rhodes, I hope you're reading this. I  skimmed your article about
repairing speedos, but I didn't notice anything that addressed this
specifically - particularly without major surgery.)

As always, any advice will be appreciated.

Bill Smith
'72 TR6
'80 TR7
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From spamiam at comcast.net  Thu Mar 18 18:16:46 2021
From: spamiam at comcast.net (Anthony Rhodes)
Date: Thu, 18 Mar 2021 20:16:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] '72 TR6 Trip Odometer Stuck
Message-ID: <7ADB544F-9B3D-4021-B2B2-7BB310E3D47E@comcast.net>

?I haven?t managed to break a speedo this way... yet.  And I think I must have set the trip odor while in motion. 

It sounds as if the trip odo is advancing properly so far but I would be wary of having the trip odo try and fail to index past the stuck 100?s wheel.  The wheels are gear driven and SOMETHING could easily strip and break if the wheel is stuck.  

I have not seen this type of failure so I don?t know for sure what is wrong.  Sorry I can?t help!

-Tony

Sent from my 1837 Babbage Analytical Engine

> On Mar 18, 2021, at 2:04 PM, triumphs-request at autox.team.net wrote:
> 
> A few hundred miles (but about 2 years ago, so it's out of warranty) I had
> my TR6 speedo refurbished by Nisonger.  It was working fine until I tried
> resetting the trip odometer after filling the tank with gas.
> 
> After getting the gas and getting on the highway, I noticed that I had not
> reset the trip odometer. Having reset it in the past while moving without
> incident, I proceeded to reset it.  This time, however, I managed to move
> the tenths, individual miles, and tens place digits to move. However, when
> it got to the hundreds digit, the trip odometer and it's adjustment
> knob/cable jammed. When I stopped the car, I tried again, but no luck. The
> regular odometer seems to be working ok so far, and I haven't driven far
> enough to get the hundreds digit to reset itself after driving a hundred
> miles since trying to reset.
> 
> So the question of the day is: Is there anything I can do to unjam the trip
> odometer without major surgery??
> 
> (Dr. Tony Rhodes, I hope you're reading this. I  skimmed your article about
> repairing speedos, but I didn't notice anything that addressed this
> specifically - particularly without major surgery.)


From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 18:06:16 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:06:16 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
Message-ID: <0a3601d72041$83f2a7c0$8bd7f740$@gmail.com>

Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends,
trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock
tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion
brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the
car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 

After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different
ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at
center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are
original from new given history of the car).  

Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will
alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on
lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to
eliminate the extra height in rear.  

Any help appreciated.   

Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
Too many TRs to maintain!
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8


From sackirby at chinaautogroup.com  Tue Mar 23 18:16:33 2021
From: sackirby at chinaautogroup.com (Steve Kirby)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 00:16:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <0a3601d72041$83f2a7c0$8bd7f740$@gmail.com>
References: <0a3601d72041$83f2a7c0$8bd7f740$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <546c80b5e4c342b7b4e31f668342baf3@chinaautogroup.com>

Jim

Others may be able to offer you more insight, but you should keep in mind that shock absorbers do no influence ride height because they bear no weight.  The "gas" in gas shocks is insufficient to raise the weight of your car (after all, you can compress the shocks by hand).  If your rear ride height changed it was due to other factors.

In a race car, the first thing that the builder would do would be to weigh all four corners.  If the LF of the car weighs more than the RF, then the car will not sit level on exactly the same suspension components.  

Steve Kirby
President
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-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 5:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 

After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).  

Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.  

Any help appreciated.   

Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
Too many TRs to maintain!
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From fishplate at gmail.com  Tue Mar 23 18:47:05 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Tue, 23 Mar 2021 20:47:05 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <546c80b5e4c342b7b4e31f668342baf3@chinaautogroup.com>
References: <0a3601d72041$83f2a7c0$8bd7f740$@gmail.com>
 <546c80b5e4c342b7b4e31f668342baf3@chinaautogroup.com>
Message-ID: <CAO8Q7CMjjC9xBG0P148DuFFX2u5zzszj5qzh3HDfnrTV2gzFAg@mail.gmail.com>

Is it also possible to measure to a different reference, like the
frame?  Could a 1/2" difference be due to factory assembly rather than
suspension?

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021 at 8:18 PM Steve Kirby <sackirby at chinaautogroup.com> wrote:
>
> Jim
>
> Others may be able to offer you more insight, but you should keep in mind that shock absorbers do no influence ride height because they bear no weight.  The "gas" in gas shocks is insufficient to raise the weight of your car (after all, you can compress the shocks by hand).  If your rear ride height changed it was due to other factors.
>
> In a race car, the first thing that the builder would do would be to weigh all four corners.  If the LF of the car weighs more than the RF, then the car will not sit level on exactly the same suspension components.
>
> Steve Kirby
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> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 5:06 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
>
> Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
> Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs.
>
> After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
> rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
> from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
> a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
> my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
> brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).
>
> Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.
>
> Any help appreciated.
>
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> Too many TRs to maintain!
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Tue Mar 23 19:02:41 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:02:41 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
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Have you driven the car?  A few road miles will help the suspension settle.  There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.

Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride height, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.

Mike

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
Albion Technical Services
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

Cell:  630-202-0065
Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 

After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).  

Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.  

Any help appreciated.   

Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
Too many TRs to maintain!
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From mmarr at albiontechnical.com  Tue Mar 23 19:17:41 2021
From: mmarr at albiontechnical.com (Michael Marr)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 01:17:41 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
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Another thought.  On my TR3A, there is a spacer on one of the rear springs that, effectively, increases the unloaded ride height on the driver's side to account for the fact that the car is driven driver-only most of the time.  Does the same situation exist with the 4A?  Is one rear spring longer than the other to provide the ride height difference?  Have you tried measuring the ride height with someone (an adult, preferably) in the driver's seat?

Mike

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
Albion Technical Services
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

Cell:  630-202-0065
Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Marr
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:03 PM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Have you driven the car?  A few road miles will help the suspension settle.  There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.

Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride height, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.

Mike

Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
Albion Technical Services
W5918 Hackbarth Rd
Fort Atkinson, WI 53538

Cell:  630-202-0065
Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 

After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).  

Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.  

Any help appreciated.   

Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
Too many TRs to maintain!
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From timipurdy at citlink.net  Tue Mar 23 20:40:17 2021
From: timipurdy at citlink.net (EMAIL VALIDATION)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 02:40:17 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Moss Motors
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Today, I placed a order with Moss via telephone. It appears they are using a third party, ie outsource.?When I finished placing the simple order, air filters, the woman wanted to know the make and modelof my car! ?Has anyone else experienced this?
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From fishplate at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 04:15:48 2021
From: fishplate at gmail.com (Jeff Scarbrough)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 06:15:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] Moss Motors
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To be fair, TRF asks the same question on their online order form.

On Tue, Mar 23, 2021, 22:41 EMAIL VALIDATION <timipurdy at citlink.net> wrote:

> Today, I placed a order with Moss via telephone. It appears they are using
> a third party, ie outsource.
> When I finished placing the simple order, air filters, the woman wanted to
> know the make and model
> of my car!  Has anyone else experienced this?
>
> Tim
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 05:37:37 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 07:37:37 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
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Great thoughts and much appreciated.  I believe the higher rear height is from the steel brackets used in the tube shock conversion kit, but I could be wrong.   Let me drive it some more and get it loosened up and then measure again and also include measuring floor to frame on each corner.  I need to do something as it doesn?t quite look right visually either and a TR has to look right when it sits.  In my opinion.  Thanks
Jim


> On Mar 23, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Another thought.  On my TR3A, there is a spacer on one of the rear springs that, effectively, increases the unloaded ride height on the driver's side to account for the fact that the car is driven driver-only most of the time.  Does the same situation exist with the 4A?  Is one rear spring longer than the other to provide the ride height difference?  Have you tried measuring the ride height with someone (an adult, preferably) in the driver's seat?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> Albion Technical Services
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> 
> Cell:  630-202-0065
> Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Marr
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:03 PM
> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> 
> Have you driven the car?  A few road miles will help the suspension settle.  There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.
> 
> Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride height, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> Albion Technical Services
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> 
> Cell:  630-202-0065
> Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> 
> Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
> Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 
> 
> After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
> rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
> from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
> a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
> my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
> brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).  
> 
> Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.  
> 
> Any help appreciated.   
> 
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> Too many TRs to maintain!
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Mar 24 09:33:03 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:33:03 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <0a3601d72041$83f2a7c0$8bd7f740$@gmail.com>
References: <0a3601d72041$83f2a7c0$8bd7f740$@gmail.com>
Message-ID: <DACFEBC480E44FC090575CFBD17A8F78@VlackTK121647>

Jim, I did the same modification (or nearly the same) on my 4A a few years 
ago. 1" lower all around but HD lever shocks and Goodparts rear trailing arm 
adjustable frame brackets.

Lowering the 1' will cause issues with your alignment shop as it relates to 
getting some negative camber for the front and perhaps the rear too since 
you did not install the adjustable brackets in the rear which are adjustable 
for camber.

The front is a bit more difficult in that you'll need the ability to adjust 
the upper A arms since (at least in my case) removing all of the shims on 
the lower A arms still did not pull the bottom in enough to get the negative 
camber I wanted. I was after 1/2 to 1 degree of negative camber. You don't 
want positive camber. There are consumer available parts to make the upper 
arms adjustable from a few of the British suppliers in England. I suspect 
you'll need to source those. Not sure why the big 3 here in the states don't 
offer something for the uppers.

As to ride height differences in the front it may take some driving to 
settle the front. The rear may or may not be affected by the tube shocks if 
they bottom out at rest (very unlikely and not wanted) The Goodparts 
brackets can adjust ride height while maintaining a good camber setting so 
I'd recommend installing those as well as some form of front upper A arm 
adjusters before spending cash with an alignment shop.

Others may have differing opinions but this was my experience and solution 
when lowering the 1" all around.

JVV

-----Original Message----- 
From: Jim Henningsen
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends,
trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock
tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion
brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the
car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs.

After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different
ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at
center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are
original from new given history of the car).

Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will
alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on
lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to
eliminate the extra height in rear.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
Too many TRs to maintain!
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Mar 24 10:26:05 2021
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:26:05 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <DACFEBC480E44FC090575CFBD17A8F78@VlackTK121647>
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+1 on the Goodparts adjustable camber brackets

-----Original Message-----
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jerry Van
Vlack
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 10:33 AM
To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Jim, I did the same modification (or nearly the same) on my 4A a few years
ago. 1" lower all around but HD lever shocks and Goodparts rear trailing arm
adjustable frame brackets.

Lowering the 1' will cause issues with your alignment shop as it relates to
getting some negative camber for the front and perhaps the rear too since
you did not install the adjustable brackets in the rear which are adjustable
for camber.

The front is a bit more difficult in that you'll need the ability to adjust
the upper A arms since (at least in my case) removing all of the shims on
the lower A arms still did not pull the bottom in enough to get the negative
camber I wanted. I was after 1/2 to 1 degree of negative camber. You don't
want positive camber. There are consumer available parts to make the upper
arms adjustable from a few of the British suppliers in England. I suspect
you'll need to source those. Not sure why the big 3 here in the states don't
offer something for the uppers.

As to ride height differences in the front it may take some driving to
settle the front. The rear may or may not be affected by the tube shocks if
they bottom out at rest (very unlikely and not wanted) The Goodparts
brackets can adjust ride height while maintaining a good camber setting so
I'd recommend installing those as well as some form of front upper A arm
adjusters before spending cash with an alignment shop.

Others may have differing opinions but this was my experience and solution
when lowering the 1" all around.

JVV

-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Henningsen
Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:06 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends,
trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock
tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion
brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the
car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs.

After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different
ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at
center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are
original from new given history of the car).

Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will
alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on
lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to
eliminate the extra height in rear.

Any help appreciated.

Thanks
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
Too many TRs to maintain!
61 3A
62 4
67 4A
75 6
81 8

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From bk13 at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 24 11:48:41 2021
From: bk13 at earthlink.net (Brian K)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 10:48:41 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
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From glewis999 at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 12:05:11 2021
From: glewis999 at aol.com (glewis999)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:05:11 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
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On some rear shocker conversions to the IRS, the shocker mounting bracket is bolted to the car?s body as well as to the mounting points for the original lever arm shocks. This might account for the ride height.Graham


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On Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 5:49 pm, Brian K <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:

Simple test on the rear shock conversion - disconnect one end of the shock and slide it out of the way. Roll the car a little with the shock out of the way then measure again. Don't drive this way.
Like other replies, I would not expect the tube shocks to provide lift.

Brian
On Mar 24, 2021 4:37 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:


Great thoughts and much appreciated.? I believe the higher rear height is from the steel brackets used in the tube shock conversion kit, but I could be wrong.?? Let me drive it some more and get it loosened up and then measure again and also include measuring floor to frame on each corner.? I need to do something as it doesn?t quite look right visually either and a TR has to look right when it sits.? In my opinion.? Thanks
Jim


> On Mar 23, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Another thought.? On my TR3A, there is a spacer on one of the rear springs that, effectively, increases the unloaded ride height on the driver's side to account for the fact that the car is driven driver-only most of the time.? Does the same situation exist with the 4A?? Is one rear spring longer than the other to provide the ride height difference?? Have you tried measuring the ride height with someone (an adult, preferably) in the driver's seat?
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> Albion Technical Services
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> 
> Cell:? 630-202-0065
> Email:? mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Marr
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:03 PM
> To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> 
> Have you driven the car?? A few road miles will help the suspension settle.? There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.
> 
> Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride height, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.
> 
> Mike
> 
> Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> Albion Technical Services
> W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> 
> Cell:? 630-202-0065
> Email:? mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> 
> Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
> Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.? New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.? Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.? Urethane packings on springs. 
> 
> After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.? Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
> rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.? I think the higher rear height is coming
> from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.??? So about
> a half inch off each side.?? I don't recall having this issue when I redid
> my TR6, but that was a while ago.?? Rears also have stock trailing arm
> brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).? 
> 
> Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.? Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.? I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.? 
> 
> Any help appreciated.?? 
> 
> Thanks
> Jim Henningsen
> Ocala FL
> Too many TRs to maintain!
> 61 3A
> 62 4
> 67 4A
> 75 6
> 81 8
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From billbrewer59 at yahoo.com  Wed Mar 24 12:07:35 2021
From: billbrewer59 at yahoo.com (Bill Brewer)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 11:07:35 -0700
Subject: [TR] Moss Motors
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     I placed an order and was having some small talk while we were waiting for something to come up on the computer. Turns out that the guy at Moss was working from home about 15 miles away from where I live. The home office is essentially shut down except for a few guys in the warehouse.

 

     -Bill in Morro Bay, CA

 

 

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Today, I placed a order with Moss via telephone. It appears they are using a third party, ie outsource. 

When I finished placing the simple order, air filters, the woman wanted to know the make and model

of my car!  Has anyone else experienced this?

 

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 12:25:17 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:25:17 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
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Great point.  This is not that kit.  Mounts to lever mounting holes and that?s it. Jim

> On Mar 24, 2021, at 2:05 PM, glewis999 <glewis999 at aol.com> wrote:
> 
> ? On some rear shocker conversions to the IRS, the shocker mounting bracket is bolted to the car?s body as well as to the mounting points for the original lever arm shocks. This might account for the ride height.
> Graham
> 
> 
> Sent from the all-new AOL app for iOS
> 
> On Wednesday, March 24, 2021, 5:49 pm, Brian K <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> Simple test on the rear shock conversion - disconnect one end of the shock and slide it out of the way. Roll the car a little with the shock out of the way then measure again. Don't drive this way.
> 
> Like other replies, I would not expect the tube shocks to provide lift.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Mar 24, 2021 4:37 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great thoughts and much appreciated.  I believe the higher rear height is from the steel brackets used in the tube shock conversion kit, but I could be wrong.   Let me drive it some more and get it loosened up and then measure again and also include measuring floor to frame on each corner.  I need to do something as it doesn?t quite look right visually either and a TR has to look right when it sits.  In my opinion.  Thanks
> Jim
> 
> > On Mar 23, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Another thought.  On my TR3A, there is a spacer on one of the rear springs that, effectively, increases the unloaded ride height on the driver's side to account for the fact that the car is driven driver-only most of the time.  Does the same situation exist with the 4A?  Is one rear spring longer than the other to provide the ride height difference?  Have you tried measuring the ride height with someone (an adult, preferably) in the driver's seat?
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> > Albion Technical Services
> > W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> > Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> > 
> > Cell:  630-202-0065
> > Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Marr
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:03 PM
> > To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> > 
> > Have you driven the car?  A few road miles will help the suspension settle.  There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.
> > 
> > Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride height, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> > Albion Technical Services
> > W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> > Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> > 
> > Cell:  630-202-0065
> > Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> > 
> > Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
> > Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 
> > 
> > After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
> > rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
> > from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
> > a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
> > my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
> > brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).  
> > 
> > Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.  
> > 
> > Any help appreciated.   
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Jim Henningsen
> > Ocala FL
> > Too many TRs to maintain!
> > 61 3A
> > 62 4
> > 67 4A
> > 75 6
> > 81 8
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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 12:25:38 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (James Henningsen)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 14:25:38 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <021133b6-959a-42f4-bf13-8fb347de673c@email.android.com>
References: <021133b6-959a-42f4-bf13-8fb347de673c@email.android.com>
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Good idea.  Thanks. 

> On Mar 24, 2021, at 1:48 PM, Brian K <bk13 at earthlink.net> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Simple test on the rear shock conversion - disconnect one end of the shock and slide it out of the way. Roll the car a little with the shock out of the way then measure again. Don't drive this way.
> 
> Like other replies, I would not expect the tube shocks to provide lift.
> 
> Brian
> 
> On Mar 24, 2021 4:37 AM, Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com> wrote:
> Great thoughts and much appreciated.  I believe the higher rear height is from the steel brackets used in the tube shock conversion kit, but I could be wrong.   Let me drive it some more and get it loosened up and then measure again and also include measuring floor to frame on each corner.  I need to do something as it doesn?t quite look right visually either and a TR has to look right when it sits.  In my opinion.  Thanks
> Jim
> 
> > On Mar 23, 2021, at 9:17 PM, Michael Marr <mmarr at albiontechnical.com> wrote:
> > 
> > ?Another thought.  On my TR3A, there is a spacer on one of the rear springs that, effectively, increases the unloaded ride height on the driver's side to account for the fact that the car is driven driver-only most of the time.  Does the same situation exist with the 4A?  Is one rear spring longer than the other to provide the ride height difference?  Have you tried measuring the ride height with someone (an adult, preferably) in the driver's seat?
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> > Albion Technical Services
> > W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> > Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> > 
> > Cell:  630-202-0065
> > Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Michael Marr
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 8:03 PM
> > To: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>; triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> > 
> > Have you driven the car?  A few road miles will help the suspension settle.  There's a lot of "stiction" in those new components.
> > 
> > Also, I agree with Jim Kirby - the new shocks will not affect ride height, unless, for some reason, they have bottomed out and are bound up.
> > 
> > Mike
> > 
> > Michael J Marr, P.E., CEng.
> > Albion Technical Services
> > W5918 Hackbarth Rd
> > Fort Atkinson, WI 53538
> > 
> > Cell:  630-202-0065
> > Email:  mmarr at albiontechnical.com
> > 
> > -----Original Message-----
> > From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Jim Henningsen
> > Sent: Tuesday, March 23, 2021 7:06 PM
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> > 
> > Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
> > Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends, trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 
> > 
> > After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
> > rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
> > from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
> > a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
> > my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
> > brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are original from new given history of the car).  
> > 
> > Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to eliminate the extra height in rear.  
> > 
> > Any help appreciated.   
> > 
> > Thanks
> > Jim Henningsen
> > Ocala FL
> > Too many TRs to maintain!
> > 61 3A
> > 62 4
> > 67 4A
> > 75 6
> > 81 8
> > 
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From davgil at aol.com  Wed Mar 24 12:59:59 2021
From: davgil at aol.com (davgil at aol.com)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 18:59:59 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
References: <2131468355.3028708.1616612399748.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <2131468355.3028708.1616612399748@mail.yahoo.com>

Jim,I am probably the least capable of any to answer your question, but I vaguely recall a response that Randall once gave to a similar question and that was that there was a planned design to have a slightly higher left side in anticipation of having a driver in a LHD vehicle because there would always be weight on the left suspension while there may not be a passenger in the right seat.? Just for fun, you may want to have someone measure the ride height with you sitting in the vehicle.? You may find that in an actual driving condition, your ride height is much closer to even.? Just trying to recall something from a true master of the craft, and my memory is not what it used to be.? Others may or may not recall a similar explanation in the past.??Best regards,David Gill1976 TR6
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From jerryvv at roadrunner.com  Wed Mar 24 15:03:13 2021
From: jerryvv at roadrunner.com (Jerry Van Vlack)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 17:03:13 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <2131468355.3028708.1616612399748@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <2131468355.3028708.1616612399748.ref@mail.yahoo.com>
 <2131468355.3028708.1616612399748@mail.yahoo.com>
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This applied to cars with leaf springs before IRS.

From: davgil at aol.com 
Sent: Wednesday, March 24, 2021 2:59 PM
To: trguy75 at gmail.com ; triumphs at autox.team.net 
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Jim, 
I am probably the least capable of any to answer your question, but I vaguely recall a response that Randall once gave to a similar question and that was that there was a planned design to have a slightly higher left side in anticipation of having a driver in a LHD vehicle because there would always be weight on the left suspension while there may not be a passenger in the right seat.  Just for fun, you may want to have someone measure the ride height with you sitting in the vehicle.  You may find that in an actual driving condition, your ride height is much closer to even.  Just trying to recall something from a true master of the craft, and my memory is not what it used to be.  Others may or may not recall a similar explanation in the past.  Best regards,
David Gill
1976 TR6


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From dmb993 at earthlink.net  Wed Mar 24 20:14:10 2021
From: dmb993 at earthlink.net (David Brady)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 22:14:10 -0400 (GMT-04:00)
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
Message-ID: <1230221270.9166.1616638450178@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net>

When you figure this out, please let us know. I've had the same question about my TR250. In my case the steer and drive axles on the right hand side are quarter inch or so higher than the left. Correct or not, I attribute this to these cars being setup as RHD and Triumph tweaking the right side slightly higher to attribute for pilot weight. Of course, this doesn't help things on this side of the pond.

David Brady
'68 TR250
CD8124L

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2021 8:06 PM
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
>
>Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
>Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends,
>trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock
>tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion
>brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the
>car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 
>
>After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different
>ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at
>center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
>rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
>from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
>a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
>my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
>brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are
>original from new given history of the car).  
>
>Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will
>alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on
>lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to
>eliminate the extra height in rear.  
>
>Any help appreciated.   
>
>Thanks
>Jim Henningsen
>Ocala FL
>Too many TRs to maintain!
>61 3A
>62 4
>67 4A
>75 6
>81 8
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Wed Mar 24 20:22:11 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Wed, 24 Mar 2021 19:22:11 -0700
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
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Can the engine rotation cause one side to lean more. I've heard that about
Stags

On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 7:14 PM David Brady <dmb993 at earthlink.net> wrote:

> When you figure this out, please let us know. I've had the same question
> about my TR250. In my case the steer and drive axles on the right hand side
> are quarter inch or so higher than the left. Correct or not, I attribute
> this to these cars being setup as RHD and Triumph tweaking the right side
> slightly higher to attribute for pilot weight. Of course, this doesn't help
> things on this side of the pond.
>
> David Brady
> '68 TR250
> CD8124L
>
> -----Original Message-----
> >From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
> >Sent: Mar 23, 2021 8:06 PM
> >To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> >Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
> >
> >Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
> >Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends,
> >trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock
> >tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion
> >brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the
> >car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs.
> >
> >After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly
> different
> >ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at
> >center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4,
> Left
> >rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is
> coming
> >from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So
> about
> >a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
> >my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
> >brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are
> >original from new given history of the car).
> >
> >Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.
> Will
> >alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers
> on
> >lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to
> >eliminate the extra height in rear.
> >
> >Any help appreciated.
> >
> >Thanks
> >Jim Henningsen
> >Ocala FL
> >Too many TRs to maintain!
> >61 3A
> >62 4
> >67 4A
> >75 6
> >81 8
> >
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Mar 25 05:23:26 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 11:23:26 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaH-LMQ7igScYMj+yWjZG1jqHti7tu3eS2sRu96b3URBAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1230221270.9166.1616638450178@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <CANLCLaH-LMQ7igScYMj+yWjZG1jqHti7tu3eS2sRu96b3URBAA@mail.gmail.com>
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 On live rear axle cars the engine and the rear axle want to twist in opposite directions and the reaction torque will exhibit itself at the point where the front and rear axle meat the ground.? In other words the wheels on opposite side at each end of the car will want to lift.
In IRS cars the return path for the reaction torque is through the frame and the wheels are not part of the equation.? 
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com>
To: David Brady <dmb993 at earthlink.net>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Wed, Mar 24, 2021 9:22 pm
Subject: Re: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question

Can the engine rotation cause one side to lean more. I've heard that about Stags
On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 7:14 PM David Brady <dmb993 at earthlink.net> wrote:

When you figure this out, please let us know. I've had the same question about my TR250. In my case the steer and drive axles on the right hand side are quarter inch or so higher than the left. Correct or not, I attribute this to these cars being setup as RHD and Triumph tweaking the right side slightly higher to attribute for pilot weight. Of course, this doesn't help things on this side of the pond.

David Brady
'68 TR250
CD8124L

-----Original Message-----
>From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>Sent: Mar 23, 2021 8:06 PM
>To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
>
>Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
>Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends,
>trunnions, etc.? New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock
>tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion
>brackets for the IRS.? Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the
>car drove pretty straight.? Urethane packings on springs. 
>
>After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different
>ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at
>center of each wheel.? Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
>rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.? I think the higher rear height is coming
>from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.? ? So about
>a half inch off each side.? ?I don't recall having this issue when I redid
>my TR6, but that was a while ago.? ?Rears also have stock trailing arm
>brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are
>original from new given history of the car).? 
>
>Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.? Will
>alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on
>lower sides.? I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to
>eliminate the extra height in rear.? 
>
>Any help appreciated.? ?
>
>Thanks
>Jim Henningsen
>Ocala FL
>Too many TRs to maintain!
>61 3A
>62 4
>67 4A
>75 6
>81 8
>
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From John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk  Thu Mar 25 06:30:34 2021
From: John.Macartney at Ukpips.org.uk (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 12:30:34 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
In-Reply-To: <CANLCLaH-LMQ7igScYMj+yWjZG1jqHti7tu3eS2sRu96b3URBAA@mail.gmail.com>
References: <1230221270.9166.1616638450178@wamui-kitty.atl.sa.earthlink.net>
 <CANLCLaH-LMQ7igScYMj+yWjZG1jqHti7tu3eS2sRu96b3URBAA@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <6D857729-A2EA-4EBB-9717-F168195F5021@Ukpips.org.uk>

Someone speculated earlier today that suspension settings may have been adjusted when the car was in build at the factory to compensate for driver weight? Not so, I?m afraid. How do you compensate for a left or right weight bias when you don?t know in advance what that weight would be? When the cars were new and going through the water test and on the rolling road at the end of Final Finish, it was clear for everyone to see that one side of the sat lower than the other as long as someone was in it. Over time, and especially on cars of Herald or Herald derivative suspension type, the stance always adopted a marginal sag on whichever side the driver sat. That was the price you paid for such outstanding engineering:)

Jonmac

Vote for Guy Fawkes! The only man who entered Parliament with honest intentions.

> On 25 Mar 2021, at 02:22, Sujit Roy <triumphstag at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Can the engine rotation cause one side to lean more. I've heard that about Stags
> 
>> On Wed, Mar 24, 2021, 7:14 PM David Brady <dmb993 at earthlink.net> wrote:
>> When you figure this out, please let us know. I've had the same question about my TR250. In my case the steer and drive axles on the right hand side are quarter inch or so higher than the left. Correct or not, I attribute this to these cars being setup as RHD and Triumph tweaking the right side slightly higher to attribute for pilot weight. Of course, this doesn't help things on this side of the pond.
>> 
>> David Brady
>> '68 TR250
>> CD8124L
>> 
>> -----Original Message-----
>> >From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
>> >Sent: Mar 23, 2021 8:06 PM
>> >To: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> >Subject: [TR] TR4A IRS Suspension Question
>> >
>> >Ok, just finished redoing front and rear suspension on my 67 4A IRS.
>> >Complete disassembly, clean, repaint, new urethane bushings, tie rod ends,
>> >trunnions, etc.  New comp springs ( 1 inch lower) all corners, new stock
>> >tubes shocks up front and new KYB gas shocks on the tube shock conversion
>> >brackets for the IRS.  Reinstalled all alignment shims as installed as the
>> >car drove pretty straight.  Urethane packings on springs. 
>> >
>> >After completing, I noticed that all four corners have a slightly different
>> >ride height when measured from garage floor to bottom on fender lip at
>> >center of each wheel.  Left front: 26 3/4 inches, Right front: 26 1/4, Left
>> >rear: 27 3/8, right rear: 27 7/8.  I think the higher rear height is coming
>> >from the tube shock conversion as it was lower with the levers.    So about
>> >a half inch off each side.   I don't recall having this issue when I redid
>> >my TR6, but that was a while ago.   Rears also have stock trailing arm
>> >brackets (one and two notch brackets on each side - believe these are
>> >original from new given history of the car).  
>> >
>> >Looking for help on next steps before bringing it in for an alignment.  Will
>> >alignment correct height difference or do I need to add 1/2 inch spacers on
>> >lower sides.  I am going to put uprated valved levers back on rear to
>> >eliminate the extra height in rear.  
>> >
>> >Any help appreciated.   
>> >
>> >Thanks
>> >Jim Henningsen
>> >Ocala FL
>> >Too many TRs to maintain!
>> >61 3A
>> >62 4
>> >67 4A
>> >75 6
>> >81 8
>> >
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From triumphstag at gmail.com  Thu Mar 25 10:23:51 2021
From: triumphstag at gmail.com (Sujit Roy)
Date: Thu, 25 Mar 2021 09:23:51 -0700
Subject: [TR] Fan Clutch TR7 TKC101
Message-ID: <CANLCLaG1=3idzUhw0bfOPEWvkJY2Z=JzV0H3bhwEPw1o=d-ZkA@mail.gmail.com>

Anyone had bad experiences with new fan clutches? The same one is used on
the Triumph Stag and many folks have said these new one fail.

Regards, Sujit

-- 
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Cupertino, California

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From trguy75 at gmail.com  Sat Mar 27 12:45:01 2021
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Sat, 27 Mar 2021 14:45:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Update on 4a ride height
Message-ID: <2F070971-AE08-40FC-86D1-1FDC31E6FDB7@gmail.com>

Drove the car a bit more over some bounces and some slight settling on ride height measured from concrete floor to bottom fender lip at wheel center.  Still off side to side.  I did measure distance from floor to lower frame at each corner near center of wheel.  Same measurements so frame sitting correctly.  Could be some body settling issues with old body mount pads to frame etc.  the bigger issue is I found out the Dayton 15x6 wire wheels with 205/65 15 tires is a bit too wide for car.  Going over an angled incline on driveway caused the lower fender lip to cut into the tire.  I don?t think 185 tires would help.  The Dayton?s are sticking out too far.  So, I am planning on switching to the 4.5 inch wire wheels with stock 165 80 tires.  If anyone is looking for a nearly new set of Daytons. Home 72 spoke 15x6 tubeless wheel let me know.  Can work a great deal.
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3a
62 4
67 4a
75 6
81 8


From dave1massey at cs.com  Sat Mar 27 19:15:53 2021
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 01:15:53 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Update on 4a ride height
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 Did you check tire pressure?? That can effect ride height.
 
Dave 

 
 
-----Original Message-----
From: Jim Henningsen <trguy75 at gmail.com>
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Sent: Sat, Mar 27, 2021 1:45 pm
Subject: [TR] Update on 4a ride height

Drove the car a bit more over some bounces and some slight settling on ride height measured from concrete floor to bottom fender lip at wheel center.? Still off side to side.? I did measure distance from floor to lower frame at each corner near center of wheel.? Same measurements so frame sitting correctly.? Could be some body settling issues with old body mount pads to frame etc.? the bigger issue is I found out the Dayton 15x6 wire wheels with 205/65 15 tires is a bit too wide for car.? Going over an angled incline on driveway caused the lower fender lip to cut into the tire.? I don?t think 185 tires would help.? The Dayton?s are sticking out too far.? So, I am planning on switching to the 4.5 inch wire wheels with stock 165 80 tires.? If anyone is looking for a nearly new set of Daytons. Home 72 spoke 15x6 tubeless wheel let me know.? Can work a great deal.
Jim Henningsen
Ocala FL
61 3a
62 4
67 4a
75 6
81 8

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From HDRider570 at att.net  Sun Mar 28 12:37:48 2021
From: HDRider570 at att.net (Q)
Date: Sun, 28 Mar 2021 11:37:48 -0700
Subject: [TR] Update on 4a ride height
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I have 15' x 6" 72 spoke wheels on my TR4 with 195/65 x15 tires and they 
fit fine.? I have used the same size tire on 15' x 6 aluminum wheels on 
another TR4 and they were fine there as well.

They do stick out a bit but the suspension travel on the front wheels is 
so short that the tires don't hit the fender lip.? They have the same 
rolling diameter as the stock 165-15 did as well.


Edward Hamer

Petaluma CA