[TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 16, Issue 161
Mike Coe
coefront at shaw.ca
Mon Sep 18 14:55:30 MDT 2023
As a young boy living quite close to Biggin Hill Airdrome my pals and I were subject to a lot of fighter plane activity. As high up in the sky RAF / Nazi fighting. Even some low down Nazi chases my Father was subject to as being chased whilst on Air Warden ground duty.
Hope Battle.of Britain was noted.
Cheers......Mike. Calgary. Alberta.
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1. Rover V8 engine (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
2. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (CFM-TR)
3. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (Q)
4. Re: Rover V8 engine (bill beecher)
5. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (TeriAnn J. Wakeman)
6. Re: TR tran tunnel heat (Greg Lemon)
7. Re: Rover V8 engine (johnbmacartney at gmx.com)
8. 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels (Rochlin Robert)
9. Re: Rover V8 engine (Notakitcar)
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Message: 1
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 21:20:47 +0100
From: <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
To: <dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my
last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?
The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2
hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved
in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the
north end has long been converted into a private house.
Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it
used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and
Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used
for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres
with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked
by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group - always
assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free
carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle
movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used
for vehicle parking.
If you've ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you're
now looking at the location!
Jonmac
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 19:47:45 -0400
From: "CFM-TR" <cfmtr3a at verizon.net>
To: "'Dave Connitt'" <dconnitt at fuse.net>, "'dave northrup'"
<dave at ranteer.com>
Cc: "'Triumphs'" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
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I have foil backed insulation under the carpet pad & carpet and the heat shield material under the car. The tunnel still gets toasty but not nearly as bad as without either.
The idea of a vent may be worth thinking about but you would need to pull air from somewhere other than below the engine area. That heat is already flowing back through the tunnel to ?escape?. Ideally, from somewhere in front of the engine, with the tube not getting close to the engine area &/or exhaust.
Good luck.
Carl
1960 Triumph TR3
TS81802LO
Tampa, FL
From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Dave Connitt
Sent: Sunday, September 17, 2023 11:06 AM
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
Hi Dave,
I have the same heat issue with my TR4A. I also have reflective insulation on the inside of the tunnel and there still is a lot of radiated heat on the passenger side which was repeatedly brought to my attention by my wife on our 6,400 mile trip out west last June. I just purchased some aluminum heat shield material off Amazon that I will try and install between the exhaust and the tunnel/ floor pan this winter. If it works, I will post some pictures.
Dave Connitt
Sent from my iPhone
On Sep 17, 2023, at 10:48 AM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> > wrote:
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Was out in the TR6 yesterday. Last time we took the tunnel out we added more insulation. We have dynamat on the tunnel itself, and a couple layers of carpet insulation, including one large piece we just set over the tunnel and the floor in a continuous piece.
Its much better than before but there?s still a lot of heat if you put your hand on the tunnel.
Thought about other ways of cooling, like vents directly air up into the tunnel etc.
What have people done to mitigate this?
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Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 17:48:33 -0700
From: Q <HDRider570 at att.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
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I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with
good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped
in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both
sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years
ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware
store would have it.
It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission
side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission
tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and
clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the
various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place
over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.
I also under-felt beneath the carpet throughout the interior.? It is a
good quality carpet as well.
Edward Hamer
Petaluma CA
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Message: 4
Date: Sun, 17 Sep 2023 22:15:56 -0500
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: dave at ranteer.com, triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history.
Bill
?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills
On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com wrote:
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Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?
The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house.
Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.
If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!
Jonmac
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 05:30:35 -0700
From: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
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I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3
layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat.
That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in
decent condition.
On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote:
> I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with
> good results.? It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped
> in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds.? It is bright silver on both
> sides.? I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years
> ago.? Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware
> store would have it.
>
> It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission
> side of the tunnel).? I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission
> tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and
> clean.? I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the
> various contours of the tunnel.? The foil on my TR4 has been in place
> over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 08:14:02 -0500
From: Greg Lemon <grglmn at gmail.com>
To: "TeriAnn J. Wakeman" <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] TR tran tunnel heat
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I have used the bubble insulation on my TR250 tunnel and floors and have no
noticeable cockpit heat coming in.
I will note I also did this to my old Healey 100, and it worked there to,
and the big Healeys have a much bigger cockpit heat problem than the old
TRs. A roll at the big box hardware store should be $20 dollars or so.
Greg Lemon
TR250
On Mon, Sep 18, 2023, 7:40 AM TeriAnn J. Wakeman <tjwakeman at gmail.com>
wrote:
> I have done the exact same thing as Edward in my 1960 Land Rover. 3
> layers under the tunnel, one above to cut down sound and excess heat.
> That was over 30 years ago. The bubble insulation is still there and in
> decent condition.
>
> On 9/17/23 5:48 PM, Q wrote:
> > I have used a silvered Mylar "quilted" material on several cars with
> > good results. It is two layers of Mylar that have air trapped
> > in-between them in about 1/4 diamonds. It is bright silver on both
> > sides. I bought it at the local Orchard Supply Store several years
> > ago. Orchard is out of business but I expect that any "Real" hardware
> > store would have it.
> >
> > It is nice as it will not absorb oil (I install it on the transmission
> > side of the tunnel). I usually fit it to a new plastic transmission
> > tunnel prior to installation on the car so the surface is dry and
> > clean. I use contact cement and cut a couple of pieces to fit the
> > various contours of the tunnel. The foil on my TR4 has been in place
> > over 20 years now with no issues including no complaints from my wife.
>
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 14:55:22 +0100
From: <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
To: "'bill beecher'" <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well.
FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating.
So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence!
Jonmac
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com
Cc: dave at ranteer.com; triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine
Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history.
Bill
?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills
On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
?
Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?
The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house.
Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.
If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!
Jonmac
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Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:17:11 -0400
From: Rochlin Robert <rrochlin at comcast.net>
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Subject: [TR] 2 Piece Transmission Tunnels
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Speaking of transmission tunnels. Has anyone tried the 2 pice tunnels that are available?
Bob
?72 TR 6
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Message: 9
Date: Mon, 18 Sep 2023 10:29:03 -0500
From: "Notakitcar" <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
To: <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
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Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine
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Love the cover, have never uploaded to Amazon but I bet they would be happy to help.
All the best,
Bill
NB-Almost finished with ?In The Shadow Of My Father? very enjoyable.
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com [mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com]
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 8:55 AM
To: 'bill beecher' <notakitcar at yahoo.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: RE: [TR] Rover V8 engine
My pleasure, Bill. Glad you enjoyed it. Actually, I got the vehicle parking details wrong as I?ve just found an article I wrote some years ago which clearly shows how it really was. THREE parallel lines of cars (not ONE) working outwards from the runway centrelines, with two single lines on each runway edge. A lot more pictures as well.
FWIW I?m currently occupied in compiling all these later stories into another book as a sequel to the one I published in 1998 called ?In The Shadow of my Father?. When it?s all done, it?ll appear (hopefully) via Amazon self-publishing as a print on demand. I might also re-publish the 1998 book in the same way at the same time. Originally, I did 1,000 copies and they sold out within a month. As the printer was still in business, he ran off another 7,000 copies of which only about 10 are still left. Can?t do that now as the guy who did the original 8,000 later sold his business, retired to live in Spain and died about two months after relocating.
So if anyone out there can tell me the ins and outs of uploading a book manuscript to Amazon I?ll be eternally grateful as that sort of cyber-tech is usually way outside my pay grade and competence!
Jonmac
From: bill beecher <notakitcar at yahoo.com <mailto:notakitcar at yahoo.com> >
Sent: Monday, September 18, 2023 4:16 AM
To: johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Cc: dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com> ; triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Rover V8 engine
Thank you John for a great bit of S-TR history.
Bill
?Shoot low sheriff, she?s riding a shetland? ?B.Wills
On Sep 17, 2023, at 9:25?PM, johnbmacartney at gmx.com <mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
?
Dave Northrup wanted to know if the former WW2 airfield I mentioned in my last post was still in existence and if so, does it have any particular use?
The answer is Yes to both queries, but not as an airfield. The original WW2 hangars are still there and very much in use by various companies involved in distribution logistics. The former Royal Air Force Control Tower at the north end has long been converted into a private house.
Attached (? Hopefully) is an aerial picture of the airfield layout as it used to be. When in use as a storage park for newly built Standard and Triumph cars, all three runways (still just visible in the pic) were used for storage with cars parked in two parallel lines down the runway centres with two further single lines on each runway edge. Mostly, they were parked by model and wherever possible by colour within each model group ? always assuming there was available space. This overall layout gave two free carriageways the full length of each runway for unobstructed vehicle movements in each direction. The runway intersects were obviously not used for vehicle parking.
If you?ve ever wondered where the rust on your Triumph first started, you?re now looking at the location!
Jonmac
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