From yellowtr at roadrunner.com  Tue Apr  1 15:16:35 2025
From: yellowtr at roadrunner.com (Bob)
Date: Tue, 1 Apr 2025 17:16:35 -0400
Subject: [TR] Anyone know someone to work on a TR3A in North Jersey?
Message-ID: <c3063996-059e-4fd1-9ed5-1206e7b11316@roadrunner.com>

Hello,

There is a real good shop in Bally PA. I know it is not NJ but you can 
flat bed your car there. I had a TR3 engine rebuilt there and I was very 
satisfied.

All info is on their website: https://triumphrescue.com/

Bob


From jeffn at msystech.com  Wed Apr  2 08:05:33 2025
From: jeffn at msystech.com (Jeffn@msystech.com)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 10:05:33 -0400
Subject: [TR] Anyone know someone to work on a TR3A in North Jersey?
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I have used Triumph Rescue several times and completely satisfied. The owner, Matt Bakes is an honest person. He has picked my TR6 in a closed trailer and delivered back to me the same way.

Jeff N.

> On Apr 1, 2025, at 5:18?PM, Bob <yellowtr at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> There is a real good shop in Bally PA. I know it is not NJ but you can flat bed your car there. I had a TR3 engine rebuilt there and I was very satisfied.
> 
> All info is on their website: https://triumphrescue.com/
> 
> Bob
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Apr  2 08:37:09 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 14:37:09 +0000
Subject: [TR] Anyone know someone to work on a TR3A in North Jersey?
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+1

-----Original Message-----
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Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 9:06 AM
To: Bob <yellowtr at roadrunner.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Anyone know someone to work on a TR3A in North Jersey?

I have used Triumph Rescue several times and completely satisfied. The owner, Matt Bakes is an honest person. He has picked my TR6 in a closed trailer and delivered back to me the same way.

Jeff N.

> On Apr 1, 2025, at 5:18?PM, Bob <yellowtr at roadrunner.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Hello,
> 
> There is a real good shop in Bally PA. I know it is not NJ but you can flat bed your car there. I had a TR3 engine rebuilt there and I was very satisfied.
> 
> All info is on their website: https://triumphrescue.com/
> 
> Bob
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From burtec at gmail.com  Wed Apr  2 13:17:35 2025
From: burtec at gmail.com (Burt Gearhart)
Date: Wed, 2 Apr 2025 14:17:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] 61 TR-3 Restoration in Iowa.
Message-ID: <CA+=14w58nNF+smMJ1JZYX91wGO-PRxGd-ZgGjKyyDFy+AE=Ohg@mail.gmail.com>

I have a 1961 TR-3 and need restoration work done on it, Suggestions?
I am in eastern Iowa on Mississippi river.


*Burt Gearhart*
Le Claire, IA     *Eloquent Photography*
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Thu Apr  3 15:10:57 2025
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Thu, 3 Apr 2025 21:10:57 +0000
Subject: [TR] 61 TR-3 Restoration in Iowa.
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Are you asking for names of shops near you who would help you restore your car or suggestions for how to go about restoring it?

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Burt Gearhart
Sent: Wednesday, April 2, 2025 3:18 PM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc: Burt Gearhart <burtec at gmail.com>
Subject: [TR] 61 TR-3 Restoration in Iowa.

I have a 1961 TR-3 and need restoration work done on it, Suggestions?
I am in eastern Iowa on Mississippi river.


Burt Gearhart
Le Claire, IA     Eloquent Photography
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Tue Apr  8 14:07:44 2025
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Thomas Fansher)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 16:07:44 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 4 washer bottle
Message-ID: <D104EF5E-A372-436A-A872-10C39F2169EF@comcast.net>

In search of an early Washer bottle and cap with the outlet in a verticle orientation. Any hints?  As always, thanks in advance.
Tom Fansher
61 TR 3A
62 TR 4 getting close
Sent from my iPad

From trguy75 at gmail.com  Tue Apr  8 15:28:11 2025
From: trguy75 at gmail.com (Jim Henningsen)
Date: Tue, 8 Apr 2025 17:28:11 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 4 washer bottle
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On eBay right now  
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> On Apr 8, 2025, at 4:28?PM, Thomas Fansher <tfansher at comcast.net> wrote:
> 
> ?In search of an early Washer bottle and cap with the outlet in a verticle orientation. Any hints?  As always, thanks in advance.
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR 3A
> 62 TR 4 getting close
> Sent from my iPad
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Wed Apr  9 16:27:29 2025
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (Notakitcar)
Date: Wed, 9 Apr 2025 17:27:29 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR 4 washer bottle
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Message-ID: <005f01dba99e$94dcd930$be968b90$@yahoo.com>

Tom,
Got one from TRF, RFK185, you can have it for the freight.
Bottle p/n 137632
Cap p/n 137743
Bill B
TS30800L

-----Original Message-----
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Fansher
Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 3:08 PM
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Subject: [TR] TR 4 washer bottle

In search of an early Washer bottle and cap with the outlet in a vertical
orientation. Any hints?  As always, thanks in advance.
Tom Fansher
61 TR 3A
62 TR 4 getting close
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From tfansher at comcast.net  Thu Apr 10 06:46:41 2025
From: tfansher at comcast.net (Thomas Fansher)
Date: Thu, 10 Apr 2025 08:46:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR 4 washer bottle
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Thanks to the list about the TR. washer bottle. I sourced one and a new cap. 
The list is still awesome. 
Tom
61 TR 3A
62 TR4 very close to being done. 
Sent from my iPad

> On Apr 9, 2025, at 6:27?PM, Notakitcar <notakitcar at yahoo.com> wrote:
> 
> ?Tom,
> Got one from TRF, RFK185, you can have it for the freight.
> Bottle p/n 137632
> Cap p/n 137743
> Bill B
> TS30800L
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Triumphs [mailto:triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Thomas
> Fansher
> Sent: Tuesday, April 8, 2025 3:08 PM
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] TR 4 washer bottle
> 
> In search of an early Washer bottle and cap with the outlet in a vertical
> orientation. Any hints?  As always, thanks in advance.
> Tom Fansher
> 61 TR 3A
> 62 TR 4 getting close
> Sent from my iPad
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Apr 10 19:13:11 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 01:13:11 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 top R&R
Message-ID: <9fdd92fb7b904b94a5614439327a4a09@ranteer.com>

Have a new top (Robbins cloth); the old one is pretty rough.

Looking for instructions on how to do it
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From rrochlin at comcast.net  Fri Apr 11 04:59:31 2025
From: rrochlin at comcast.net (Robert Rochlin)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 06:59:31 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 top R&R
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Hi Dave,
	I had a Robbins cloth top installed on my TR6 after starting the job myself.  In my opinion, the top is too expensive and chance of doing a good job too small that I took it to a Robbins certified top installer. The top looks great, but is a bear to get up when the weather is cool. I spoke to a very experienced top installer years later about how tight the top was going up and he told me that that the rear section of the Robbins cloth top is cut too small and it make sit hard to get the top perfect.  He said that vinyl tops were more forgiving.  
	I love the look and feel of the top, but, as I said it is sometimes difficult to put up.
	Best,
	Bob
	?72 TR6
> On Apr 10, 2025, at 9:13?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
> 
> Have a new top (Robbins cloth); the old one is pretty rough.
>  
> Looking for instructions on how to do it
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Apr 11 07:40:58 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 13:40:58 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 top R&R
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Ditto.? For the same reasons.? Unless you are looking at doing several, there is too much learning curve.? I installed the snaps in a tonneau and that was tough enough.
I also think that if installers like a tight fitting top to avoid areas that are loose.? Stretching keeps the tops looking snug.? If you have the top installed during the cold season they will not stretch the top as much as it will not be as warm as during the normal driving season and this should make top erection easier.? Also, leave it up as much as possible for the first year or so.? This means putting the top up after each drive while it is still warm.? Vinyl and the rubber layer on canvas tops all have a chemical called an elastomer.? This makes the plastic flexible (stretchable) but this chemical will dissipate (evaporate) over time and the material will not stretch as before.? If the top is in the erected position when this happens the top will assume the shape as erected and will be easier to put up going forward.? This has worked for me on both vinyl and canvas tops.
Dave 


 

    On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 06:06:18 AM CDT, Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:   

 Hi Dave, I had a Robbins cloth top installed on my TR6 after starting the job myself. ?In my opinion, the top is too expensive and chance of doing a good job too small that I took it to a Robbins certified top installer. The top looks great, but is a bear to get up when the weather is cool. I spoke to a very experienced top installer years later about how tight the top was going up and he told me that that the rear section of the Robbins cloth top is cut too small and it make sit hard to get the top perfect. ?He said that vinyl tops were more forgiving. ? I love the look and feel of the top, but, as I said it is sometimes difficult to put up. Best, Bob ?72 TR6

On Apr 10, 2025, at 9:13?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

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From dave1massey at cs.com  Fri Apr 11 08:41:48 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 14:41:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 top R&R
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Correction.? I used the term "elastomer" when I should have said "plasticizer."
Another example:? Many years ago I was given a TR6 top by an acquaintance who bought it 20 years previously but wrecked his car before he had a chance to have it installed.? In other words, this top sat in his basement for 20 years before I had it installed.? This was the easiest top to put up and down in all my experience.? I believe it is because the plasticizers had all dissipated and the top did not stretch when the installer got his hands on it.? So it didn't "shrink" after installation.? It went up easily in any weather.??
So I guess this suggests one should buy a top now and put it away for several years before installing it.? ;-)
Dave 


 

    On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 08:40:58 AM CDT, DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:   

 Ditto.? For the same reasons.? Unless you are looking at doing several, there is too much learning curve.? I installed the snaps in a tonneau and that was tough enough.
I also think that if installers like a tight fitting top to avoid areas that are loose.? Stretching keeps the tops looking snug.? If you have the top installed during the cold season they will not stretch the top as much as it will not be as warm as during the normal driving season and this should make top erection easier.? Also, leave it up as much as possible for the first year or so.? This means putting the top up after each drive while it is still warm.? Vinyl and the rubber layer on canvas tops all have a chemical called an elastomer.? This makes the plastic flexible (stretchable) but this chemical will dissipate (evaporate) over time and the material will not stretch as before.? If the top is in the erected position when this happens the top will assume the shape as erected and will be easier to put up going forward.? This has worked for me on both vinyl and canvas tops.
Dave 


 

    On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 06:06:18 AM CDT, Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:   

 Hi Dave, I had a Robbins cloth top installed on my TR6 after starting the job myself. ?In my opinion, the top is too expensive and chance of doing a good job too small that I took it to a Robbins certified top installer. The top looks great, but is a bear to get up when the weather is cool. I spoke to a very experienced top installer years later about how tight the top was going up and he told me that that the rear section of the Robbins cloth top is cut too small and it make sit hard to get the top perfect. ?He said that vinyl tops were more forgiving. ? I love the look and feel of the top, but, as I said it is sometimes difficult to put up. Best, Bob ?72 TR6

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From peterara at msn.com  Fri Apr 11 09:48:43 2025
From: peterara at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 15:48:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 top R&R
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I have had a cloth top on my 1971 TR6 for maybe 25 years.  No problem with excess shrinkage.  It did tighten some from initial install, but it goes up the same every time now, even though I rarely put it up.  How tight it is depends on the installer.  Two things though:  First it should be left up for a week after first install, this "sets" its size and fit; second any top should be put up every couple of months, at least, for a day or two to keep it pliable.  Those tips from a couple of installers Robbins uses around their location for testing.

________________________________
From: Triumphs on behalf of DAVID MASSEY
Sent: Friday, April 11, 2025 6:40 AM
To: dave northrup; triumphs at autox.team.net; Robert Rochlin
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 top R&R

Ditto.  For the same reasons.  Unless you are looking at doing several, there is too much learning curve.  I installed the snaps in a tonneau and that was tough enough.

I also think that if installers like a tight fitting top to avoid areas that are loose.  Stretching keeps the tops looking snug.  If you have the top installed during the cold season they will not stretch the top as much as it will not be as warm as during the normal driving season and this should make top erection easier.  Also, leave it up as much as possible for the first year or so.  This means putting the top up after each drive while it is still warm.  Vinyl and the rubber layer on canvas tops all have a chemical called an elastomer.  This makes the plastic flexible (stretchable) but this chemical will dissipate (evaporate) over time and the material will not stretch as before.  If the top is in the erected position when this happens the top will assume the shape as erected and will be easier to put up going forward.  This has worked for me on both vinyl and canvas tops.

Dave




On Friday, April 11, 2025 at 06:06:18 AM CDT, Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net> wrote:


Hi Dave,
I had a Robbins cloth top installed on my TR6 after starting the job myself.  In my opinion, the top is too expensive and chance of doing a good job too small that I took it to a Robbins certified top installer. The top looks great, but is a bear to get up when the weather is cool. I spoke to a very experienced top installer years later about how tight the top was going up and he told me that that the rear section of the Robbins cloth top is cut too small and it make sit hard to get the top perfect.  He said that vinyl tops were more forgiving.
I love the look and feel of the top, but, as I said it is sometimes difficult to put up.
Best,
Bob
?72 TR6
On Apr 10, 2025, at 9:13?PM, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

Have a new top (Robbins cloth); the old one is pretty rough.

Looking for instructions on how to do it
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Fri Apr 11 14:37:41 2025
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:37:41 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR6 top R&R
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I experienced the same with a vinyl tonneau I got from Robbins for my
TR3A.

I had a professional install it. The installer complained that it was too
small. When we compared it to the previous tonneau we could see that it
was noticeably smaller. I sent it back to Robbins and they replaced it
with a slightly larger version. Even that was VERY tight. Eventually we
got it fitted but it was a bear. It wasn't a job I'd want to tackle
myself.

My convertible top is so tight that it's almost impossible to erect unless
the car and top have been sitting in the sunshine on a hot day (which is
exactly when I don't need it).

I always contended that the darn things shrink. Dave's explanation of why
that happens fits with my experience.

Dave MacKay
10960 TR3A s/n 68639L
near Toronto, Canada

>From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net>
>To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
>Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 top R&R
>
>The top looks great, but is a bear to get up when the weather is cool. I
spoke to a very experienced >top installer years later about how tight the
top was going up and he told me that that the rear >section of the Robbins
cloth top is cut too small and it make sit hard to get the top perfect.
He >said that vinyl tops were more forgiving.

>From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
>To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>,  "triumphs at autox.team.net"
>Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 top R&R
>
>Ditto.? For the same reasons.? Unless you are looking at doing several,
there is too much learning >curve.
>
>Vinyl and the rubber layer on canvas tops all have a chemical called an
elastomer.? This makes >the plastic flexible (stretchable) but this
chemical will dissipate (evaporate) over time and the >material will not
stretch as before.?
>
>This has worked for me on both vinyl and canvas tops.
>
>Correction.? I used the term "elastomer" when I should have said
"plasticizer."
>Another example:? Many years ago I was given a TR6 top by an acquaintance
who bought it 20 >years previously but wrecked his car before he had a
chance to have it installed.? In other words, >this top sat in his
basement for 20 years before I had it installed.? This was the easiest top
to put >up and down in all my experience.? I believe it is because the
plasticizers had all dissipated and >the top did not stretch when the
installer got his hands on it.? So it didn't "shrink" after
>installation.? It went up easily in any weather.??

From grglmn at gmail.com  Fri Apr 11 15:33:50 2025
From: grglmn at gmail.com (Greg Lemon)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:33:50 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 top R&R
In-Reply-To: <f9a01cf2a5a3b251c6f857ded6da9496@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.7.1744394402.19494.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <f9a01cf2a5a3b251c6f857ded6da9496@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <CAFtw3aYLdRW1DguU1AwB68GoUa-RiZoOciJCqSa0axwF22bsUA@mail.gmail.com>

Same issues with a Robbins vinyl top fitted on my TR250.  It is very tight,
there was not really a lot of extra material to make it less tight.

Installed myself, it looks good because no wrinkles, but best erected warm
and in the sun.

I make a point to store it with the top up every winter, if it shrank at
all I would never get it back on.

Greg Lemon
TR250

On Fri, Apr 11, 2025, 3:49?PM Dave MacKay <dave at mdmackay.ca> wrote:

> I experienced the same with a vinyl tonneau I got from Robbins for my
> TR3A.
>
> I had a professional install it. The installer complained that it was too
> small. When we compared it to the previous tonneau we could see that it
> was noticeably smaller. I sent it back to Robbins and they replaced it
> with a slightly larger version. Even that was VERY tight. Eventually we
> got it fitted but it was a bear. It wasn't a job I'd want to tackle
> myself.
>
> My convertible top is so tight that it's almost impossible to erect unless
> the car and top have been sitting in the sunshine on a hot day (which is
> exactly when I don't need it).
>
> I always contended that the darn things shrink. Dave's explanation of why
> that happens fits with my experience.
>
> Dave MacKay
> 10960 TR3A s/n 68639L
> near Toronto, Canada
>
> >From: Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net>
> >To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, triumphs at autox.team.net
> >Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 top R&R
> >
> >The top looks great, but is a bear to get up when the weather is cool. I
> spoke to a very experienced >top installer years later about how tight the
> top was going up and he told me that that the rear >section of the Robbins
> cloth top is cut too small and it make sit hard to get the top perfect.
> He >said that vinyl tops were more forgiving.
>
> >From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> >To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>,  "triumphs at autox.team.net"
> >Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 top R&R
> >
> >Ditto.? For the same reasons.? Unless you are looking at doing several,
> there is too much learning >curve.
> >
> >Vinyl and the rubber layer on canvas tops all have a chemical called an
> elastomer.? This makes >the plastic flexible (stretchable) but this
> chemical will dissipate (evaporate) over time and the >material will not
> stretch as before.?
> >
> >This has worked for me on both vinyl and canvas tops.
> >
> >Correction.? I used the term "elastomer" when I should have said
> "plasticizer."
> >Another example:? Many years ago I was given a TR6 top by an acquaintance
> who bought it 20 >years previously but wrecked his car before he had a
> chance to have it installed.? In other words, >this top sat in his
> basement for 20 years before I had it installed.? This was the easiest top
> to put >up and down in all my experience.? I believe it is because the
> plasticizers had all dissipated and >the top did not stretch when the
> installer got his hands on it.? So it didn't "shrink" after
> >installation.? It went up easily in any weather.??
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
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From mark at bradakis.com  Fri Apr 11 16:13:58 2025
From: mark at bradakis.com (Mark Bradakis)
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:13:58 -0600
Subject: [TR] Happy Birthday!
Message-ID: <dbdfc0bd-60d7-4e3b-9987-38d98a7d5732@bradakis.com>

On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain.  34 years ago, how 
time flies!  Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars. 
My, things have changed.  At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think, 
stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey, 
etc lists.  And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and 
Bricklin and ... you get the idea.

While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the 
early days, there are still just over 30 lists.  About half a dozen of 
these see daily, or almost daily, traffic.  Some see hardly any use at 
all.  Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand 
messages in August, leading up to the Nationals.  I think the one and 
only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team 
Net.  Lost track of how many stickers I sold.  Still have a few 
somewhere in my office.

As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line, 
with a 120 MHz processor.  Attached is the label for that box.  Cost me 
$2,500.  See the photo for the specs :-)    Actually, it didn't cost ME 
much money.  Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser.  Back then, 
having an internet connection at home was not cheap.  I think I raised 
like $3,000 which got us started down this trail.

Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a 
thing of the past.  When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, 
they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often!

Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort. 
  Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing 
with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on. 
All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of 
Fame.  That was nice.

And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able.

Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net!

mjb.
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From larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com  Sat Apr 12 10:51:18 2025
From: larrygriffin.nc at gmail.com (Larry Griffin)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 12:51:18 -0400
Subject: [TR] Happy Birthday!
In-Reply-To: <dbdfc0bd-60d7-4e3b-9987-38d98a7d5732@bradakis.com>
References: <dbdfc0bd-60d7-4e3b-9987-38d98a7d5732@bradakis.com>
Message-ID: <CAONC1_7PkqCn+8s6EtWt+UZNa3=iTEsSsM_EvfX3RPJ=ad9Wvw@mail.gmail.com>

Mark,

Wow, 34 years! I  was so excited when I discovered Team.Net in September
1994 and subscribed to the British.cars list. Through it and the triumph
list I found a new world of support for my Spitfire and later my TR6. I
learned of the Triumph Club of the Carolinas. The best part was finding so
many wonderful online LBC enthusiasts.

So thanks for all you have done over the years. You so richly deserved the
election to the British Sports Car Hall of Fame.

Now I've got to go find my SOL sticker from my departed Spitfire. ?

Cheers,
Larry Griffin

On Fri, Apr 11, 2025 at 7:53?PM Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com> wrote:

> On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain.  34 years ago, how
> time flies!  Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars.
> My, things have changed.  At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think,
> stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey,
> etc lists.  And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and
> Bricklin and ... you get the idea.
>
> While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the
> early days, there are still just over 30 lists.  About half a dozen of
> these see daily, or almost daily, traffic.  Some see hardly any use at
> all.  Back in the mid nineties, the autox list would see like a thousand
> messages in August, leading up to the Nationals.  I think the one and
> only year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team
> Net.  Lost track of how many stickers I sold.  Still have a few
> somewhere in my office.
>
> As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line,
> with a 120 MHz processor.  Attached is the label for that box.  Cost me
> $2,500.  See the photo for the specs :-)    Actually, it didn't cost ME
> much money.  Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser.  Back then,
> having an internet connection at home was not cheap.  I think I raised
> like $3,000 which got us started down this trail.
>
> Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a
> thing of the past.  When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare,
> they visit http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often!
>
> Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort.
>   Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing
> with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on.
> All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of
> Fame.  That was nice.
>
> And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able.
>
> Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net!
>
> mjb.
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>
> Donate: http://www.team.net/donate.html
> Archive: http://www.team.net/pipermail/triumphs
> http://www.team.net/archive
>
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From dave at mdmackay.ca  Sat Apr 12 16:41:48 2025
From: dave at mdmackay.ca (Dave MacKay)
Date: Sat, 12 Apr 2025 18:41:48 -0400
Subject: [TR] Happy Birthday!
In-Reply-To: <mailman.13.1744480804.19531.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.13.1744480804.19531.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <ceb970628369156f0d6ab2041b774e37@mail.gmail.com>

Congratulations Mark! Thank you for providing us with Team.Net for 34
years! I've been a member for at least 25 of those years (maybe more, I
can't recall when I signed up).

You have been a stupendous asset to the community and have done us all a
great service.

Thanks also for the reminder about donations. I had neglected that for too
long. Donation made.

Dave MacKay
1960 Triumph TR3A s/n 68639
near Toronto, Canada

>Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 16:13:58 -0600
>From: Mark Bradakis <mark at bradakis.com>
>Subject: [TR] Happy Birthday!
>
>On April 11th, 1991, team.net became a new domain.  34 years ago, how
time flies!  Back then it was just two lists, autox and british-cars.
>My, things have changed.  At its peak, there were 77 lists, I think,
stemming from splitting the british-cars list into Triumph, MG, Healey,
etc lists.  And shop-talk and the-local and Datsun roadsters and Bricklin
and ... you get the idea.
>
>While Team Net is no longer the only show in town as it was back in the
early days, there are still just over 30 lists.  About half a dozen of
these see daily, or almost daily, traffic.  Some see hardly any use at
all.  Back in the mid nineties, the autox list >would see like a thousand
messages in August, leading up to the Nationals.  I think the one and only
year I attended, '97, about 2/3rds of the entrants were on Team Net.  Lost
track of how many stickers I sold.  Still have a few somewhere in my
>office.
>
>As I recall, the very first server I set up at home was top of the line,
with a 120 MHz processor.  Attached is the label for that box.  Cost me
>$2,500.  See the photo for the specs :-)    Actually, it didn't cost ME
>much money.  Before Team Net came about, I had a fundraiser.  Back then,
having an internet connection at home was not cheap.  I think I raised
like $3,000 which got us started down this trail.
>
>Still accepting donations, though the semi-annual fund drives are a thing
of the past.  When folks see fit and have a few bucks to spare, they visit
http://www.team.net/donate.html - donate early, donate often!
>
>Yep, it has been over 3 decades I have been doing this, a lot of effort.
>Back in the day it would take me at least 10 - 15 hours a week dealing
with errors, bounced mail, maintaining some of the web pages and so on.
>All that effort did land me a berth in the British Sports Car Hall of
Fame.  That was nice.
>
>And I plan on keeping it going as long as I am physically able.
>
>Anyway, happy birthday Team.Net!

From aribertn at gmail.com  Sun Apr 13 15:25:01 2025
From: aribertn at gmail.com (aribert neumann)
Date: Sun, 13 Apr 2025 17:25:01 -0400
Subject: [TR] Shrunk top fitting
Message-ID: <CAGkVM29jC0Np5j6ERtuiHrpCao81NxD1uqfX3Oe5iJegOYZ4fA@mail.gmail.com>

I strongly suspect the better fitting top mentioned below was either an
original OEM top purchased as a service part or the top pattern was based
on an OEM newish top that had not shrunk.    Twenty years + many years ago
gets us back to roughly when one might be able to buy an OEM top from the
dealer (either to use as a service part or to deconstruct and use as a
pattern by an aftermarket supplier).

I have a custom made Haartz Twill 3 fabric top on my Spit6.  I was employed
by ASC at the time and had one of the prototype trimmers deconstruct my
original (shrunken) vinyl top as a starting point for a pattern.  My fabric
top has not shrunk in the past 32+ yrs (though the vinyl windows have been
replaced several times).



From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, "triumphs at autox.team.net" <
triumphs at autox.team.net>, Robert Rochlin <rrochlin at comcast.net>
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Fri, 11 Apr 2025 14:41:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: Re: [TR] TR6 top R&R
Correction.  I used the term "elastomer" when I should have said
"plasticizer."

Another example:  Many years ago I was given a TR6 top by an acquaintance
who bought it 20 years previously but wrecked his car before he had a
chance to have it installed.  In other words, this top sat in his basement
for 20 years before I had it installed.  This was the easiest top to put up
and down in all my experience.  I believe it is because the plasticizers
had all dissipated and the top did not stretch when the installer got his
hands on it.  So it didn't "shrink" after installation.  It went up easily
in any weather.

So I guess this suggests one should buy a top now and put it away for
several years before installing it.  ;-)

Dave
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From lee at automate-it.com  Mon Apr 14 10:27:59 2025
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 11:27:59 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim
Message-ID: <857f8113c78ee77221bc12b88a60943d@automate-it.com>

I have several of the plastic TR6 wheel trim pieces in good physical 
condition but poor surface condition. Has anyone successfully prepped 
and repainted these? Color? Type of paint? See attached photo.

I do have new chromed logo center caps for the wheel trim.
thanks!
  Lee
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Apr 14 16:27:20 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 22:27:20 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim
In-Reply-To: <857f8113c78ee77221bc12b88a60943d@automate-it.com>
References: <857f8113c78ee77221bc12b88a60943d@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <0df3ba28dedd46cd9446d594e6638b8b@ranteer.com>

its a lot of work to polish and redo those hubs.  they are very cheap and i don't think its worth it


________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of lee at automate-it.com <lee at automate-it.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 11:27:59 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim

I have several of the plastic TR6 wheel trim pieces in good physical
condition but poor surface condition. Has anyone successfully prepped
and repainted these? Color? Type of paint? See attached photo.

I do have new chromed logo center caps for the wheel trim.
thanks!
  Lee
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From spitlist at cox.net  Mon Apr 14 17:06:55 2025
From: spitlist at cox.net (JOE CURRY)
Date: Mon, 14 Apr 2025 23:06:55 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim
In-Reply-To: <0df3ba28dedd46cd9446d594e6638b8b@ranteer.com>
References: <857f8113c78ee77221bc12b88a60943d@automate-it.com>
 <0df3ba28dedd46cd9446d594e6638b8b@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <1426401141.967316.1744672015945@mail.yahoo.com>

 I have vinyl decals for the stock wheelcaps and can do them for the after-market ones as well.
http://www.spitlist.info/centercaps.html
Cheers,Joe Curry
    On Monday, April 14, 2025 at 04:00:51 PM MST, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:  
 
 
its a lot of work to polish and redo those hubs.? they are very cheap and i don't think its worth it



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of lee at automate-it.com <lee at automate-it.com>
Sent: Monday, April 14, 2025 11:27:59 AM
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim?I have several of the plastic TR6 wheel trim pieces in good physical
condition but poor surface condition. Has anyone successfully prepped 
and repainted these? Color? Type of paint? See attached photo.

I do have new chromed logo center caps for the wheel trim.
thanks!
? Lee** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com  Mon Apr 14 18:30:44 2025
From: triumph74tr6 at yahoo.com (Chad)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 00:30:44 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim
In-Reply-To: <857f8113c78ee77221bc12b88a60943d@automate-it.com>
References: <857f8113c78ee77221bc12b88a60943d@automate-it.com>
Message-ID: <488547760.1798424.1744677044043@mail.yahoo.com>

 It's easy.? Just get a red scotch-brite pad and scuff them up.? Maybe some fine sandpaper if needed.? Prime with some gray spray-bomb rustoleum then top coat with some argent silver spray-bomb.? You can get the wheel paint at O'Reilly's.
    On Monday, April 14, 2025 at 11:49:22 AM CDT, <lee at automate-it.com> wrote:  
 
 I have several of the plastic TR6 wheel trim pieces in good physical 
condition but poor surface condition. Has anyone successfully prepped 
and repainted these? Color? Type of paint? See attached photo.

I do have new chromed logo center caps for the wheel trim.
thanks!
? Lee** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Tue Apr 15 08:44:47 2025
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 09:44:47 -0500
Subject: [TR] Happy Birthday!
In-Reply-To: <CAONC1_7PkqCn+8s6EtWt+UZNa3=iTEsSsM_EvfX3RPJ=ad9Wvw@mail.gmail.com>
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From lee at automate-it.com  Tue Apr 15 10:18:14 2025
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Tue, 15 Apr 2025 11:18:14 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim
In-Reply-To: <488547760.1798424.1744677044043@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <857f8113c78ee77221bc12b88a60943d@automate-it.com>
 <488547760.1798424.1744677044043@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <c5b31c087b046ba2854bf5b8aab974ca@automate-it.com>

Thanks everyone. These things do clean up easily, and easy to paint. I 
already had the new chromed logo center caps (bought from TRF on sale, 
not long before the fire).

The paint that seems to get the best marks on 
british-car-wheel-discussion forums is this one, easy to get at the 
local FLAPS

  - Lee

On 2025-04-14 19:30, Chad wrote:

> It's easy.  Just get a red scotch-brite pad and scuff them up.  Maybe 
> some fine sandpaper if needed.  Prime with some gray spray-bomb 
> rustoleum then top coat with some argent silver spray-bomb.  You can 
> get the wheel paint at O'Reilly's.
> 
> On Monday, April 14, 2025 at 11:49:22 AM CDT, <lee at automate-it.com> 
> wrote:
> 
> I have several of the plastic TR6 wheel trim pieces in good physical
> condition but poor surface condition. Has anyone successfully prepped
> and repainted these? Color? Type of paint? See attached photo.
> 
> I do have new chromed logo center caps for the wheel trim.
> thanks!
> Lee ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> 
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Thu Apr 17 15:46:17 2025
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Thu, 17 Apr 2025 16:46:17 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR6 wheel center trim
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From dave at ranteer.com  Sun Apr 20 08:58:42 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Sun, 20 Apr 2025 14:58:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] Kix on Route 66
Message-ID: <a598b7ee2f9f4629ba2298594f0c59e4@ranteer.com>

We have eaten here several times; it was an iconic restaurant in Tucumcari

If you are feeling generous and want to support:  https://www.gofundme.com/f/support-kix-on-66-after-devastating-fire


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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Wed Apr 23 11:44:51 2025
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:44:51 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>

Greetings, all!

I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter
is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult
to maneuver.

If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?

Thanks, folks!

Dave
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From vfracing at aol.com  Wed Apr 23 12:31:53 2025
From: vfracing at aol.com (Philip Gott)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 14:31:53 -0400
Subject: [TR] [Net] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2D9EF9B9-D941-4F8F-9A11-F278F20DA6CA@aol.com>

Dave;
A remote bleed screw on the slave cylinder would make life easier all around?!

Phil

Sent from my iPhone

> On Apr 23, 2025, at 1:45?PM, David Friedlander via Net <net at netriumphs.org> wrote:
> 
> ?
> Greetings, all! 
> 
> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult to maneuver.
> 
> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
> 
> Thanks, folks!
> 
> Dave
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From daveg at online.no  Wed Apr 23 14:45:54 2025
From: daveg at online.no (David)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 22:45:54 +0200
Subject: [TR] Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth tr3
Message-ID: <7C4E7C68-5ED4-4058-A3B4-121DF255DB5D@online.no>

Hello all,

15005 1957 TR3

The screw that inserts into the door socket that holds the widescreen is broken. I?m sending a gyazo of the good one so you will know exactly what screw I 
mean: https://gyazo.com/e1b5e321e1a31489b0d0735651d8b783

Does anyone know of a place where I might get this, or an equivalent? If I can get the lower thread out it might be possible to weld it, but the retaining pin holding it in place is in no hurry to pop out, plus it seems rusted in. 

Grateful for any tips or info. 
Thanks 
Dave
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From anncarletta at yahoo.com  Wed Apr 23 17:06:54 2025
From: anncarletta at yahoo.com (Ann Carletta)
Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 23:06:54 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] 1. Anyone know someone to work on a TR3A in North Jersey?
In-Reply-To: <mailman.7.1743271203.28028.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.7.1743271203.28028.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <8603463.602589.1745449614108@mail.yahoo.com>

 
Thank you, Ron and John for recommendations on where to get my TR3A looked at.? It's good to know there's at least a few places left to take her.? This is the first time I had her trailered instead of driving her to be worked on.? Waiting for the diagnosis/recommendations.? Looking to keep her on the road for a bit longer.
Ann   

Message: 1
Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 20:01:49 -0400
From: "Ron L\"Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 18, Issue 23
Message-ID: <002b01dba03d$c5958000$50c08000$@verizon.net>
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Maybe these guys can help:

https://njtriumphs.org/


  
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From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Apr 24 08:00:53 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 14:00:53 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <64300138a8a64e138ba660ed2a72096c@ranteer.com>

Makes no difference


-------- Original message --------
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <net at netriumphs.org>
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter

Greetings, all!

I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult to maneuver.

If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?

Thanks, folks!

Dave
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From lee at automate-it.com  Thu Apr 24 08:26:22 2025
From: lee at automate-it.com (lee at automate-it.com)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:26:22 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <f000f1ea88f1798f11ff667ac6807bd4@automate-it.com>

Dave,

Most of the setups like this I've seen (including mine) have the filter 
turned slightly clockwise from vertical. This is not a gravity-fed 
filter system, so orientation of the filter shouldn't matter. (But I 
also admit that I could be dangerously wrong.) Most of my modern cars 
have the spin-on filter horizontal. And the Subaru Outback w/ turbo 
engine has it upside down! (see attached).

Lee

On 2025-04-23 12:44, David Friedlander wrote:

> Greetings, all!
> 
> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the 
> filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave 
> difficult to maneuver.
> 
> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit 
> to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far 
> from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
> 
> Thanks, folks!
> 
> Dave
> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Thu Apr 24 09:14:27 2025
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 11:14:27 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <64300138a8a64e138ba660ed2a72096c@ranteer.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <64300138a8a64e138ba660ed2a72096c@ranteer.com>
Message-ID: <CAJ1eQwixMChwos=nxf7+SkhJCqVE2iQ05RCxBJHB++KDNuYW2A@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, everyone for your responses.. I?ve now rotated the adapter/filter
about 20 degrees from vertical and there?s now plenty of access space to
the clutch slave bleed screw. ?

Dave

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 10:00?AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Makes no difference
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
> net at netriumphs.org>
> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>
> Greetings, all!
>
> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter
> is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult
> to maneuver.
>
> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
> rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
> from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>
> Thanks, folks!
>
> Dave
>
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From peterara at msn.com  Thu Apr 24 09:44:49 2025
From: peterara at msn.com (Peter Arakelian)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 15:44:49 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <SJ5PPFD91589D79C099FB226C737F1F8FFFC1852@SJ5PPFD91589D79.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM>

You can move it quite a lot.  The recommeded filters have anti-drain back provisions so the oil will not drain out of the filter.  But that really is not an issue.  You can move it sufficiently off vertical to get as much clearance as required.  I have.  Next club meeting or TR gathering you go to just look at the various angles .

Peter Arakelian
1971 TR6
________________________________
From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2025 10:44 AM
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <net at netriumphs.org>
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter

Greetings, all!

I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult to maneuver.

If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?

Thanks, folks!

Dave
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Thu Apr 24 10:04:04 2025
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 17:04:04 +0100
Subject: [TR] Filter position oil
Message-ID: <CE74C840-ABC6-42CD-A352-20823CEDF78A@gmx.com>

Dave,

I had a similar problem on my injected engine with the Lucas system. I tried a variety of different size filters and my problem was the fuel metering unit being in the way as it was driven off the distributor shaft. In the end I used a fairly stubby filter positioned at about 9 o?clock and everything was fine. As long as you ensure you use a filter with an anti drain valve, it?ll stay full when the engine isn?t running and none of the ?death rattle? on a cold start. At least it worked for me without issues but I?m sure you?ll get plenty of ?variable? advice :)

Jonmac

From dave at ranteer.com  Thu Apr 24 18:30:46 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 00:30:46 +0000
Subject: [TR] TR6 fuel pump
Message-ID: <b53a9f3012ef4ea1991e84d7a97a3da7@ranteer.com>

Is there a reliable rebuilder?
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Thu Apr 24 20:09:06 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 02:09:06 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <113261061.1618631.1745546946646@mail.yahoo.com>

I've had one on my 71 TR6 for 20+ years.? It is tilted forward about 5 degrees and I've had no issues with it.? Works fine, lasts a long time.
Dave 


 

    On Thursday, April 24, 2025 at 08:12:59 AM CDT, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:   

 Greetings, all!?
I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult to maneuver.
If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise? a bit to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from?vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?

Thanks, folks!
Dave** triumphs at autox.team.net **

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From jsukey at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 09:39:19 2025
From: jsukey at gmail.com (Jason Sukey)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 11:39:19 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <mailman.1.1745517602.15822.triumphs@autox.team.net>
References: <mailman.1.1745517602.15822.triumphs@autox.team.net>
Message-ID: <CAMmo4o-8qTjOYJs6iZx==fkGzoBgV8MYK-xpeTnS7Am1SoLkNQ@mail.gmail.com>

Pardon the commercial message:

We offer a spin on adapter for the 6 cylinder engines (TR6/GT6/TR250/etc)
that places the filter horizontally, in the same location as the original
filter housing.  This permits using a larger diameter filter, with more
volume than can be used with the down hanging version.

Some have found this to be more convenient and less messy.

https://jspmparts.com/product-catalog/ols/products/jspm-spin-on-oil-filter-adapters-for-triumph-gt6tr250tr6


Jason Sukey
JS Performance Motoring

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> Message: 1
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 14:31:53 -0400
> From: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Triumphs TR3 <triumphs at autox.team.net>, Triumphs New England
>         <net at netriumphs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TR] [Net] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
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> Dave;
> A remote bleed screw on the slave cylinder would make life easier all
> around?!
>
> Phil
>
> Sent from my iPhone
>
> > On Apr 23, 2025, at 1:45?PM, David Friedlander via Net <
> net at netriumphs.org> wrote:
> >
> > ?
> > Greetings, all!
> >
> > I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
> filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
> difficult to maneuver.
> >
> > If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit
> to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from
> vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
> >
> > Thanks, folks!
> >
> > Dave
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> From: David <daveg at online.no>
> To: Triumph_send_message <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: [TR] Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth
>         tr3
> Message-ID: <7C4E7C68-5ED4-4058-A3B4-121DF255DB5D at online.no>
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> Hello all,
>
> 15005 1957 TR3
>
> The screw that inserts into the door socket that holds the widescreen is
> broken. I?m sending a gyazo of the good one so you will know exactly what
> screw I
> mean: https://gyazo.com/e1b5e321e1a31489b0d0735651d8b783
>
> Does anyone know of a place where I might get this, or an equivalent? If I
> can get the lower thread out it might be possible to weld it, but the
> retaining pin holding it in place is in no hurry to pop out, plus it seems
> rusted in.
>
> Grateful for any tips or info.
> Thanks
> Dave
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> From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
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>         Jersey?
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>
> Thank you, Ron and John for recommendations on where to get my TR3A looked
> at.? It's good to know there's at least a few places left to take her.?
> This is the first time I had her trailered instead of driving her to be
> worked on.? Waiting for the diagnosis/recommendations.? Looking to keep her
> on the road for a bit longer.
> Ann
>
> Message: 1
> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 20:01:49 -0400
> From: "Ron L\"Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 18, Issue 23
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> Makes no difference
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
> net at netriumphs.org>
> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>
> Greetings, all!
>
> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter
> is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult
> to maneuver.
>
> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
> rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from
> vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>
> Thanks, folks!
>
> Dave
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> From: lee at automate-it.com
> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, net at netriumphs.org
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> Dave,
>
> Most of the setups like this I've seen (including mine) have the filter
> turned slightly clockwise from vertical. This is not a gravity-fed
> filter system, so orientation of the filter shouldn't matter. (But I
> also admit that I could be dangerously wrong.) Most of my modern cars
> have the spin-on filter horizontal. And the Subaru Outback w/ turbo
> engine has it upside down! (see attached).
>
> Lee
>
> On 2025-04-23 12:44, David Friedlander wrote:
>
> > Greetings, all!
> >
> > I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
> > filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
> > difficult to maneuver.
> >
> > If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit
> > to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
> > from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
> >
> > Thanks, folks!
> >
> > Dave
> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
> >
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> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
> Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs
>         <net at netriumphs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
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> Thanks, everyone for your responses.. I?ve now rotated the adapter/filter
> about 20 degrees from vertical and there?s now plenty of access space to
> the clutch slave bleed screw. ?
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 10:00?AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
> > Makes no difference
> >
> >
> > -------- Original message --------
> > From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> > Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
> > To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
> > net at netriumphs.org>
> > Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
> >
> > Greetings, all!
> >
> > I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
> filter
> > is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult
> > to maneuver.
> >
> > If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
> > rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
> > from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
> >
> > Thanks, folks!
> >
> > Dave
> >
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> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 15:44:49 +0000
> From: Peter Arakelian <peterara at msn.com>
> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>, TR3 Triumphs
>         <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
> net at netriumphs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
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> You can move it quite a lot.  The recommeded filters have anti-drain back
> provisions so the oil will not drain out of the filter.  But that really is
> not an issue.  You can move it sufficiently off vertical to get as much
> clearance as required.  I have.  Next club meeting or TR gathering you go
> to just look at the various angles .
>
> Peter Arakelian
> 1971 TR6
> ________________________________
> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of David
> Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2025 10:44 AM
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <
> net at netriumphs.org>
> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>
> Greetings, all!
>
> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter
> is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult
> to maneuver.
>
> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
> rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from
> vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>
> Thanks, folks!
>
> Dave
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> Message: 8
> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 17:04:04 +0100
> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> To: forzion7 at gmail.com
> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: [TR] Filter position oil
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> Dave,
>
> I had a similar problem on my injected engine with the Lucas system. I
> tried a variety of different size filters and my problem was the fuel
> metering unit being in the way as it was driven off the distributor shaft.
> In the end I used a fairly stubby filter positioned at about 9 o?clock and
> everything was fine. As long as you ensure you use a filter with an anti
> drain valve, it?ll stay full when the engine isn?t running and none of the
> ?death rattle? on a cold start. At least it worked for me without issues
> but I?m sure you?ll get plenty of ?variable? advice :)
>
> Jonmac
>
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From aribertn at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 12:10:43 2025
From: aribertn at gmail.com (aribert neumann)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 14:10:43 -0400
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 18, Issue 37
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On my Spit6, I have the filter clocked about 45 deg to clear the steering.
This has been like that for the past 20+ years

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> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 13:44:51 -0400
> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
> Greetings, all!
>
> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter
> is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult
> to maneuver.
>
> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
> rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
> from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>
> Thanks, folks!
>
> Dave
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From levilevi at comcast.net  Fri Apr 25 13:22:50 2025
From: levilevi at comcast.net (Bud Rolofson)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 13:22:50 -0600
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAJ1eQwixMChwos=nxf7+SkhJCqVE2iQ05RCxBJHB++KDNuYW2A@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <64300138a8a64e138ba660ed2a72096c@ranteer.com>
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Message-ID: <901CB70E-F4EF-4141-B6DB-164D40FAC743@comcast.net>

Now it?s from the frying pan into the fire. Best of luck bleeding that sucker. I hate that job, but it?s worth it.

Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle 
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

> On Apr 24, 2025, at 9:14 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Thanks, everyone for your responses.. I?ve now rotated the adapter/filter about 20 degrees from vertical and there?s now plenty of access space to the clutch slave bleed screw. ?
> 
> Dave
> 
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 10:00?AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com <mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
> Makes no difference 
> 
> 
> -------- Original message --------
> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com <mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>>
> Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>, New England Triumphs <net at netriumphs.org <mailto:net at netriumphs.org>>
> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
> 
> Greetings, all! 
> 
> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult to maneuver.
> 
> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
> 
> Thanks, folks!
> 
> Dave
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From dave at ranteer.com  Fri Apr 25 15:19:42 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 21:19:42 +0000
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <901CB70E-F4EF-4141-B6DB-164D40FAC743@comcast.net>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
 <64300138a8a64e138ba660ed2a72096c@ranteer.com>
 <CAJ1eQwixMChwos=nxf7+SkhJCqVE2iQ05RCxBJHB++KDNuYW2A@mail.gmail.com>,
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Message-ID: <b144c4f0c5494697a35d8af6e6f711e1@ranteer.com>

Get speedbleeders!  Makes it easy

I think www.speedbleeder.com or
www.speedbleeders.com



-------- Original message --------
From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
Date: 4/25/25 2:22 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
Cc: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <net at netriumphs.org>
Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter

Now it?s from the frying pan into the fire. Best of luck bleeding that sucker. I hate that job, but it?s worth it.

Bud Rolofson

Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)

71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)

On Apr 24, 2025, at 9:14 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com<mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>> wrote:

Thanks, everyone for your responses.. I?ve now rotated the adapter/filter about 20 degrees from vertical and there?s now plenty of access space to the clutch slave bleed screw. ?

Dave

On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 10:00?AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com<mailto:dave at ranteer.com>> wrote:
Makes no difference


-------- Original message --------
From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com<mailto:forzion7 at gmail.com>>
Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net<mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>>, New England Triumphs <net at netriumphs.org<mailto:net at netriumphs.org>>
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter

Greetings, all!

I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave difficult to maneuver.

If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?

Thanks, folks!

Dave
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From forzion7 at gmail.com  Fri Apr 25 17:59:32 2025
From: forzion7 at gmail.com (David Friedlander)
Date: Fri, 25 Apr 2025 19:59:32 -0400
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <b144c4f0c5494697a35d8af6e6f711e1@ranteer.com>
References: <CAJ1eQwhdzjwPstpFOBL2LZPz7RqH1PL3NLenA3-7qAL0K3NN-Q@mail.gmail.com>
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Dave ~

Once a Speedbleeder is installed, can you tell by looking at it that it?s a
Speedbleeder?

Dave

On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 5:19?PM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:

> Get speedbleeders!  Makes it easy
>
> I think www.speedbleeder.com or
> www.speedbleeders.com
>
>
>
> -------- Original message --------
> From: Bud Rolofson <levilevi at comcast.net>
> Date: 4/25/25 2:22 PM (GMT-06:00)
> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
> Cc: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>, TR3 Triumphs <
> triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <net at netriumphs.org>
> Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>
> Now it?s from the frying pan into the fire. Best of luck bleeding that
> sucker. I hate that job, but it?s worth it.
>
> Bud Rolofson
>
> Extreme Parts Racing (more than just a haircut)
>
> 71TR6 CC57365 (Good 6)
> 71 Spitfire MK IV Race Car #3
> 69 Spitfire MK III (back up FE engine/dinghy car)
> 93 Minnie Winnie Race Support Vehicle
> 77 Z-50A Hardly Davidson Honda Mini-Trail Bike (Triumph Pit Bike)
>
> On Apr 24, 2025, at 9:14 AM, David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> Thanks, everyone for your responses.. I?ve now rotated the adapter/filter
> about 20 degrees from vertical and there?s now plenty of access space to
> the clutch slave bleed screw. ?
>
> Dave
>
> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 10:00?AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>
>> Makes no difference
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
>> net at netriumphs.org>
>> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>>
>> Greetings, all!
>>
>> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
>> filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
>> difficult to maneuver.
>>
>> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
>> rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
>> from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>>
>> Thanks, folks!
>>
>> Dave
>>
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sat Apr 26 09:50:37 2025
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 10:50:37 -0500
Subject: [TR] Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth tr3
In-Reply-To: <7C4E7C68-5ED4-4058-A3B4-121DF255DB5D@online.no>
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That picture doesn?t look like a TR3 sidescreen mount. 
Bill

?Obstacles are all you see when you take your eyes off the goal?  H. Ford

On Apr 24, 2025, at 4:32?PM, David <daveg at online.no> wrote:

?Hello all,

15005 1957 TR3

The screw that inserts into the door socket that holds the widescreen is broken. I?m sending a gyazo of the good one so you will know exactly what screw I 
mean: https://gyazo.com/e1b5e321e1a31489b0d0735651d8b783

Does anyone know of a place where I might get this, or an equivalent? If I can get the lower thread out it might be possible to weld it, but the retaining pin holding it in place is in no hurry to pop out, plus it seems rusted in. 

Grateful for any tips or info. 
Thanks 
Dave
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From salty1249y at gmail.com  Sat Apr 26 11:09:51 2025
From: salty1249y at gmail.com (Michael Burdick)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 12:09:51 -0500
Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
In-Reply-To: <CAMmo4o-8qTjOYJs6iZx==fkGzoBgV8MYK-xpeTnS7Am1SoLkNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1745517602.15822.triumphs@autox.team.net>
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Message-ID: <CAOp9YTJCD65cRpGvG0KozeNfvgUbOaiXKgUPiYL2wpGOyxdqOA@mail.gmail.com>

That looks like a beautiful piece of kit Jason!  That?s getting filed in
the ?dream build? folder for sure.

Best,
Mike


On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 10:16?PM Jason Sukey <jsukey at gmail.com> wrote:

> Pardon the commercial message:
>
> We offer a spin on adapter for the 6 cylinder engines (TR6/GT6/TR250/etc)
> that places the filter horizontally, in the same location as the original
> filter housing.  This permits using a larger diameter filter, with more
> volume than can be used with the down hanging version.
>
> Some have found this to be more convenient and less messy.
>
>
> https://jspmparts.com/product-catalog/ols/products/jspm-spin-on-oil-filter-adapters-for-triumph-gt6tr250tr6
>
>
> Jason Sukey
> JS Performance Motoring
>
> On Fri, Apr 25, 2025 at 10:50?AM <triumphs-request at autox.team.net> wrote:
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>>    1. Re: [Net] Spin-on Filter/Adapter (Philip Gott)
>>    2. Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth tr3
>>       (David)
>>    3. 1. Anyone know someone to work on a TR3A in North Jersey?
>>       (Ann Carletta)
>>    4. Re: Spin-on Filter/Adapter (dave northrup)
>>    5. Re: Spin-on Filter/Adapter (lee at automate-it.com)
>>    6. Re: Spin-on Filter/Adapter (David Friedlander)
>>    7. Re: Spin-on Filter/Adapter (Peter Arakelian)
>>    8. Filter position oil (John Macartney)
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>> Message: 1
>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 14:31:53 -0400
>> From: Philip Gott <vfracing at aol.com>
>> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: Triumphs TR3 <triumphs at autox.team.net>, Triumphs New England
>>         <net at netriumphs.org>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] [Net] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>> Message-ID: <2D9EF9B9-D941-4F8F-9A11-F278F20DA6CA at aol.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
>>
>> Dave;
>> A remote bleed screw on the slave cylinder would make life easier all
>> around?!
>>
>> Phil
>>
>> Sent from my iPhone
>>
>> > On Apr 23, 2025, at 1:45?PM, David Friedlander via Net <
>> net at netriumphs.org> wrote:
>> >
>> > ?
>> > Greetings, all!
>> >
>> > I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
>> filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
>> difficult to maneuver.
>> >
>> > If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit
>> to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from
>> vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>> >
>> > Thanks, folks!
>> >
>> > Dave
>> > _______________________________________________
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>> Message: 2
>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 22:45:54 +0200
>> From: David <daveg at online.no>
>> To: Triumph_send_message <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth
>>         tr3
>> Message-ID: <7C4E7C68-5ED4-4058-A3B4-121DF255DB5D at online.no>
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>> Hello all,
>>
>> 15005 1957 TR3
>>
>> The screw that inserts into the door socket that holds the widescreen is
>> broken. I?m sending a gyazo of the good one so you will know exactly what
>> screw I
>> mean: https://gyazo.com/e1b5e321e1a31489b0d0735651d8b783
>>
>> Does anyone know of a place where I might get this, or an equivalent? If
>> I can get the lower thread out it might be possible to weld it, but the
>> retaining pin holding it in place is in no hurry to pop out, plus it seems
>> rusted in.
>>
>> Grateful for any tips or info.
>> Thanks
>> Dave
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>> Message: 3
>> Date: Wed, 23 Apr 2025 23:06:54 +0000 (UTC)
>> From: Ann Carletta <anncarletta at yahoo.com>
>> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: [TR] 1. Anyone know someone to work on a TR3A in North
>>         Jersey?
>> Message-ID: <8603463.602589.1745449614108 at mail.yahoo.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="utf-8"
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>>
>> Thank you, Ron and John for recommendations on where to get my TR3A
>> looked at.? It's good to know there's at least a few places left to take
>> her.? This is the first time I had her trailered instead of driving her to
>> be worked on.? Waiting for the diagnosis/recommendations.? Looking to keep
>> her on the road for a bit longer.
>> Ann
>>
>> Message: 1
>> Date: Fri, 28 Mar 2025 20:01:49 -0400
>> From: "Ron L\"Herault" <lherault at verizon.net>
>> To: <triumphs at autox.team.net>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 18, Issue 23
>> Message-ID: <002b01dba03d$c5958000$50c08000$@verizon.net>
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>> Maybe these guys can help:
>>
>> https://njtriumphs.org/
>>
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>> Message: 4
>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 14:00:53 +0000
>> From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>, TR3 Triumphs
>>         <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
>> net at netriumphs.org>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>> Message-ID: <64300138a8a64e138ba660ed2a72096c at ranteer.com>
>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="us-ascii"
>>
>> Makes no difference
>>
>>
>> -------- Original message --------
>> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
>> net at netriumphs.org>
>> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>>
>> Greetings, all!
>>
>> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
>> filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
>> difficult to maneuver.
>>
>> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
>> rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from
>> vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>>
>> Thanks, folks!
>>
>> Dave
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>> Message: 5
>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 09:26:22 -0500
>> From: lee at automate-it.com
>> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net, net at netriumphs.org
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>> Message-ID: <f000f1ea88f1798f11ff667ac6807bd4 at automate-it.com>
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>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> Most of the setups like this I've seen (including mine) have the filter
>> turned slightly clockwise from vertical. This is not a gravity-fed
>> filter system, so orientation of the filter shouldn't matter. (But I
>> also admit that I could be dangerously wrong.) Most of my modern cars
>> have the spin-on filter horizontal. And the Subaru Outback w/ turbo
>> engine has it upside down! (see attached).
>>
>> Lee
>>
>> On 2025-04-23 12:44, David Friedlander wrote:
>>
>> > Greetings, all!
>> >
>> > I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
>> > filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
>> > difficult to maneuver.
>> >
>> > If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit
>> > to rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
>> > from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>> >
>> > Thanks, folks!
>> >
>> > Dave
>> > ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
>> >
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>> Message: 6
>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 11:14:27 -0400
>> From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> To: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
>> Cc: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs
>>         <net at netriumphs.org>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
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>> Thanks, everyone for your responses.. I?ve now rotated the adapter/filter
>> about 20 degrees from vertical and there?s now plenty of access space to
>> the clutch slave bleed screw. ?
>>
>> Dave
>>
>> On Thu, Apr 24, 2025 at 10:00?AM dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:
>>
>> > Makes no difference
>> >
>> >
>> > -------- Original message --------
>> > From: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> > Date: 4/24/25 8:22 AM (GMT-06:00)
>> > To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
>> > net at netriumphs.org>
>> > Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>> >
>> > Greetings, all!
>> >
>> > I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
>> filter
>> > is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
>> difficult
>> > to maneuver.
>> >
>> > If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit
>> to
>> > rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far
>> > from vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>> >
>> > Thanks, folks!
>> >
>> > Dave
>> >
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>> Message: 7
>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 15:44:49 +0000
>> From: Peter Arakelian <peterara at msn.com>
>> To: David Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>, TR3 Triumphs
>>         <triumphs at autox.team.net>, New England Triumphs <
>> net at netriumphs.org>
>> Subject: Re: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>> Message-ID:
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>> SJ5PPFD91589D79C099FB226C737F1F8FFFC1852 at SJ5PPFD91589D79.NAMP223.PROD.OUTLOOK.COM
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>> You can move it quite a lot.  The recommeded filters have anti-drain back
>> provisions so the oil will not drain out of the filter.  But that really is
>> not an issue.  You can move it sufficiently off vertical to get as much
>> clearance as required.  I have.  Next club meeting or TR gathering you go
>> to just look at the various angles .
>>
>> Peter Arakelian
>> 1971 TR6
>> ________________________________
>> From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> on behalf of David
>> Friedlander <forzion7 at gmail.com>
>> Sent: Wednesday, April 23, 2025 10:44 AM
>> To: TR3 Triumphs <triumphs at autox.team.net>; New England Triumphs <
>> net at netriumphs.org>
>> Subject: [TR] Spin-on Filter/Adapter
>>
>> Greetings, all!
>>
>> I have a spin-on filter adapter on my '74 TR6. I find that when the
>> filter is vertical, it makes using the bleed screw on the clutch slave
>> difficult to maneuver.
>>
>> If I loosen the adapter plate and rotate the assembly clockwise  a bit to
>> rotate the filter away from the clutch slave bleed screw, how far from
>> vertical can the filter be without any issues, anyone know?
>>
>> Thanks, folks!
>>
>> Dave
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>> Message: 8
>> Date: Thu, 24 Apr 2025 17:04:04 +0100
>> From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
>> To: forzion7 at gmail.com
>> Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
>> Subject: [TR] Filter position oil
>> Message-ID: <CE74C840-ABC6-42CD-A352-20823CEDF78A at gmx.com>
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>>
>> Dave,
>>
>> I had a similar problem on my injected engine with the Lucas system. I
>> tried a variety of different size filters and my problem was the fuel
>> metering unit being in the way as it was driven off the distributor shaft.
>> In the end I used a fairly stubby filter positioned at about 9 o?clock and
>> everything was fine. As long as you ensure you use a filter with an anti
>> drain valve, it?ll stay full when the engine isn?t running and none of the
>> ?death rattle? on a cold start. At least it worked for me without issues
>> but I?m sure you?ll get plenty of ?variable? advice :)
>>
>> Jonmac
>>
>>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Sat Apr 26 17:42:10 2025
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Sat, 26 Apr 2025 17:42:10 -0600
Subject: [TR] FS: TR2-3B luggage rack -- hinge mount style -- NOS
 reproduction
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFAfEznzH4TmQwtm5mm4LHqd4hqJFm5iCmPrFBKWz+_02Q@mail.gmail.com>

Doesn't it roast your rear when people use this list to sell stuff?  Kinda
does me.

But, I have a few bits that really need to find the right homes, and
figured I'd give this community the first shot.  Apologies in advance to
those who don't like this kind of thing. :)

For sale -- a NOS reproduction factory-style, no-drill, chrome-plated
TR2-3B luggage rack.  The kind that mounts to the boot lid hinges, has
suction cups where the lower section contacts the body and clamps to the
boot lid rim.  I've had this one for a decade or more, and I'm not planning
to put it on my TR3B.  It's been stored in the house all this time -- no
issues with it at all.

The original version as shown in the 1956 S-T accessories brochure:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CBrSB5R/1/LQQ4khSZL4vF5J5hw26L6Vb4TrmZsz3CdmFCtMFKX/O/i-CBrSB5R.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Pzqj8wW/1/MbHmdKffZFMZ8JhNR54n3pp9TC8QmTpnqsBbtvNzs/O/i-Pzqj8wW.jpg

These were sold by Moss once upon a time (where for all I know this one
came -- I didn't buy it new) for $540, but long backordered.  Revington
doesn't seem to have 'em anymore either.  Rimmer's appears to have them
available (but not in stock) at $389.
https://mossmotors.com/646-001-factory-style-luggage-rack-tr2-3b
https://www.revingtontr.com/product/552398ss/name/luggage-rack-s-steel-tr2-3a
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-552398

Here are a few images of the one I have.
https://4xdog.smugmug.com/Around-the-House/Stuff-for-sale/TR2-3B-luggage-rack-2022-11/n-kmbJFw

Somebody must be looking for one of these, yes?  $250 shipped to a
continental US address.

Thanks, guys.
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From auprichard at uprichard.net  Sun Apr 27 08:28:33 2025
From: auprichard at uprichard.net (auprichard uprichard.net)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 14:28:33 +0000
Subject: [TR] Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth tr3
In-Reply-To: <B1B54DDA-4562-466C-8F2F-B3F5F60387C2@yahoo.com>
References: <7C4E7C68-5ED4-4058-A3B4-121DF255DB5D@online.no>
 <B1B54DDA-4562-466C-8F2F-B3F5F60387C2@yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <DS7PR07MB76555E341755D78AEBD3014CCA862@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>

Bill:  it is the wedge-type which preceded the Dzus mounts.

Moss motors sell the mounts (part number 803-560,  803-570) and the screw (323-580)

Andrew Uprichard



From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of bill beecher
Sent: Saturday, April 26, 2025 11:51 AM
To: David <daveg at online.no>
Cc: Triumph_send_message <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth tr3

That picture doesn?t look like a TR3 sidescreen mount.
Bill

?Obstacles are all you see when you take your eyes off the goal?  H. Ford

On Apr 24, 2025, at 4:32?PM, David <daveg at online.no<mailto:daveg at online.no>> wrote:
?Hello all,

15005 1957 TR3

The screw that inserts into the door socket that holds the widescreen is broken. I?m sending a gyazo of the good one so you will know exactly what screw I
mean: https://gyazo.com/e1b5e321e1a31489b0d0735651d8b783

Does anyone know of a place where I might get this, or an equivalent? If I can get the lower thread out it might be possible to weld it, but the retaining pin holding it in place is in no hurry to pop out, plus it seems rusted in.

Grateful for any tips or info.
Thanks
Dave
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From notakitcar at yahoo.com  Sun Apr 27 12:22:35 2025
From: notakitcar at yahoo.com (bill beecher)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 13:22:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] Broken screw in the side screen socket of a small mouth tr3
In-Reply-To: <DS7PR07MB76555E341755D78AEBD3014CCA862@DS7PR07MB7655.namprd07.prod.outlook.com>
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Apr 27 16:03:21 2025
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 17:03:21 -0500
Subject: [TR] Oil flow to rocker assemble
Message-ID: <646eb551-cfaf-474c-b3ee-bc05bc9606c9@rmi.net>

With out going into detail, I have had problems with the rocker assembly 
on a rebuilt GT6 Mk1 engine with a new rocker shaft and rockers and push 
rods.

I would like to verify I have good oil flow before I go any further.? I 
know that there is not a lot of oil going through it, but I want to make 
sure I have some.

My question is this, if I spin the oil pump with a drill (CCW) will it 
always get oil to the rockers, or does the cam shaft have to be in a 
particular position for the oil to get the the rockers?

If the cam needs to be in a specific position, is there a way I can tell 
where that should be easily?

Thanks,
Roger


From elliottr at rmi.net  Sun Apr 27 17:20:35 2025
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
In-Reply-To: <CAMmo4o-8qTjOYJs6iZx==fkGzoBgV8MYK-xpeTnS7Am1SoLkNQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <mailman.1.1745517602.15822.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <CAMmo4o-8qTjOYJs6iZx==fkGzoBgV8MYK-xpeTnS7Am1SoLkNQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <4be1b8b3-98f5-46de-a71e-603a79ff10b1@rmi.net>

Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just 
received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.? Checked with 
drill bits.? An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily, 
but not into the new one.

Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott


From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Mon Apr 28 08:45:08 2025
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 15:45:08 +0100
Subject: [TR] FS: TR2-3B luggage rack -- hinge mount style -- NOS
 reproduction
Message-ID: <1B9723CA-B233-4FC5-8BB3-1654172D7636@gmx.com>

Well, proof if it were needed, that if you fit a luggage rack to a car, the raised hoop goes at the back - and not the front. I?ve lost count of The number of dickheads I?ve met down the years who swear blind the hoop goes at the front to keep luggage ?in place? under heavy braking.....

Jonmac

> On 27 Apr 2025, at 00:42, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> Doesn't it roast your rear when people use this list to sell stuff?  Kinda does me.
> 
> But, I have a few bits that really need to find the right homes, and figured I'd give this community the first shot.  Apologies in advance to those who don't like this kind of thing. :)
> 
> For sale -- a NOS reproduction factory-style, no-drill, chrome-plated TR2-3B luggage rack.  The kind that mounts to the boot lid hinges, has suction cups where the lower section contacts the body and clamps to the boot lid rim.  I've had this one for a decade or more, and I'm not planning to put it on my TR3B.  It's been stored in the house all this time -- no issues with it at all.
> 
> The original version as shown in the 1956 S-T accessories brochure:
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CBrSB5R/1/LQQ4khSZL4vF5J5hw26L6Vb4TrmZsz3CdmFCtMFKX/O/i-CBrSB5R.jpg
> https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Pzqj8wW/1/MbHmdKffZFMZ8JhNR54n3pp9TC8QmTpnqsBbtvNzs/O/i-Pzqj8wW.jpg
> 
> These were sold by Moss once upon a time (where for all I know this one came -- I didn't buy it new) for $540, but long backordered.  Revington doesn't seem to have 'em anymore either.  Rimmer's appears to have them available (but not in stock) at $389.
> https://mossmotors.com/646-001-factory-style-luggage-rack-tr2-3b
> https://www.revingtontr.com/product/552398ss/name/luggage-rack-s-steel-tr2-3a
> https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-552398
> 
> Here are a few images of the one I have.  
> https://4xdog.smugmug.com/Around-the-House/Stuff-for-sale/TR2-3B-luggage-rack-2022-11/n-kmbJFw
> 
> Somebody must be looking for one of these, yes?  $250 shipped to a continental US address.  
> 
> Thanks, guys.
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From dave at ranteer.com  Mon Apr 28 18:08:43 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 00:08:43 +0000
Subject: [TR] FS: TR2-3B luggage rack -- hinge mount style -- NOS
 reproduction
In-Reply-To: <1B9723CA-B233-4FC5-8BB3-1654172D7636@gmx.com>
References: <1B9723CA-B233-4FC5-8BB3-1654172D7636@gmx.com>
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That is so hilarious.   And true to home - i had my TR6 tail and trunklid repainted. The idiot not only put the luggage rack on backwards,  but did it before the paint fully dried


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From: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Date: 4/28/25 4:35 PM (GMT-06:00)
To: Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com>
Cc: Triumphs list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [TR] FS: TR2-3B luggage rack -- hinge mount style -- NOS reproduction

Well, proof if it were needed, that if you fit a luggage rack to a car, the raised hoop goes at the back - and not the front. I?ve lost count of The number of dickheads I?ve met down the years who swear blind the hoop goes at the front to keep luggage ?in place? under heavy braking.....

Jonmac

On 27 Apr 2025, at 00:42, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com<mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:

Doesn't it roast your rear when people use this list to sell stuff?  Kinda does me.

But, I have a few bits that really need to find the right homes, and figured I'd give this community the first shot.  Apologies in advance to those who don't like this kind of thing. :)

For sale -- a NOS reproduction factory-style, no-drill, chrome-plated TR2-3B luggage rack.  The kind that mounts to the boot lid hinges, has suction cups where the lower section contacts the body and clamps to the boot lid rim.  I've had this one for a decade or more, and I'm not planning to put it on my TR3B.  It's been stored in the house all this time -- no issues with it at all.

The original version as shown in the 1956 S-T accessories brochure:
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-CBrSB5R/1/LQQ4khSZL4vF5J5hw26L6Vb4TrmZsz3CdmFCtMFKX/O/i-CBrSB5R.jpg
https://photos.smugmug.com/photos/i-Pzqj8wW/1/MbHmdKffZFMZ8JhNR54n3pp9TC8QmTpnqsBbtvNzs/O/i-Pzqj8wW.jpg

These were sold by Moss once upon a time (where for all I know this one came -- I didn't buy it new) for $540, but long backordered.  Revington doesn't seem to have 'em anymore either.  Rimmer's appears to have them available (but not in stock) at $389.
https://mossmotors.com/646-001-factory-style-luggage-rack-tr2-3b
https://www.revingtontr.com/product/552398ss/name/luggage-rack-s-steel-tr2-3a
https://rimmerbros.com/Item--i-552398

Here are a few images of the one I have.
https://4xdog.smugmug.com/Around-the-House/Stuff-for-sale/TR2-3B-luggage-rack-2022-11/n-kmbJFw

Somebody must be looking for one of these, yes?  $250 shipped to a continental US address.

Thanks, guys.
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From aribertn at gmail.com  Mon Apr 28 20:28:46 2025
From: aribertn at gmail.com (aribert neumann)
Date: Mon, 28 Apr 2025 22:28:46 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
Message-ID: <CAGkVM28-3HPYpLETaY4kE__2OHqEQbsgGz-SGmQqtO33Zz3BrQ@mail.gmail.com>

The screw is 1/4 inch.  I don't remember if fine thread: 28 tpi or coarse
thread:20 tpi        For grins, I would get a known M6x1 fastener and see
if it threads in.




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Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.  Checked with
drill bits.  An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
but not into the new one.

Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.

Thanks,
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Apr 29 08:58:19 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 14:58:19 +0000
Subject: [TR] Switch
Message-ID: <fda4e8dad58c49b7896df2d1ded4dc11@ranteer.com>

I have this switch,  which is the blinker +??  My car is a 72 TR6.  My old blinker switch is wonky, and needs to be replaced.   Found this in my spares box,  but there are too many wires.   It does not move backwards and forwards, just up and down.   Anyone know what this switch is?

btw with the switch in one position i get continuity between ble and red/green.  With it in the other position i get nothing between any wires
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Apr 29 10:04:02 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:04:02 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Switch
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Those wire colors are consistent with the headlamp switch used in the CC-series cars.? The turn signal switch will have blue wires.??
Dave 


 

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  I have this switch,? which is the blinker +??? My car is a 72 TR6.? My old blinker switch is wonky, and needs to be replaced.? ?Found this in my spares box,? but there are too many wires.? ?It does not move backwards and forwards, just up and down.? ?Anyone know what this switch is???
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Apr 29 10:09:28 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:09:28 +0000
Subject: [TR] Switch
In-Reply-To: <fda4e8dad58c49b7896df2d1ded4dc11@ranteer.com>
References: <fda4e8dad58c49b7896df2d1ded4dc11@ranteer.com>
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It  is a headlight and dipper switch.   Makes sense i have a backup - lost a headlight switch on a trip once


-------- Original message --------
From: dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Date: 4/29/25 10:37 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Triumphs list <triumphs at autox.team.net>
Subject: [TR] Switch

I have this switch,  which is the blinker +??  My car is a 72 TR6.  My old blinker switch is wonky, and needs to be replaced.   Found this in my spares box,  but there are too many wires.   It does not move backwards and forwards, just up and down.   Anyone know what this switch is?

btw with the switch in one position i get continuity between ble and red/green.  With it in the other position i get nothing between any wires
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From dave at ranteer.com  Tue Apr 29 10:10:04 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 16:10:04 +0000
Subject: [TR] Switch
In-Reply-To: <1315347831.3154886.1745942642201@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <fda4e8dad58c49b7896df2d1ded4dc11@ranteer.com>,
 <1315347831.3154886.1745942642201@mail.yahoo.com>
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Thanks


-------- Original message --------
From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
Date: 4/29/25 11:04 AM (GMT-06:00)
To: Triumphs list <triumphs at autox.team.net>, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com>
Subject: Re: [TR] Switch

Those wire colors are consistent with the headlamp switch used in the CC-series cars.  The turn signal switch will have blue wires.

Dave




On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 10:39:19 AM CDT, dave northrup <dave at ranteer.com> wrote:


I have this switch,  which is the blinker +??  My car is a 72 TR6.  My old blinker switch is wonky, and needs to be replaced.   Found this in my spares box,  but there are too many wires.   It does not move backwards and forwards, just up and down.   Anyone know what this switch is?

btw with the switch in one position i get continuity between ble and red/green.  With it in the other position i get nothing between any wires
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Tue Apr 29 12:10:10 2025
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 13:10:10 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
In-Reply-To: <CAGkVM28-3HPYpLETaY4kE__2OHqEQbsgGz-SGmQqtO33Zz3BrQ@mail.gmail.com>
References: <CAGkVM28-3HPYpLETaY4kE__2OHqEQbsgGz-SGmQqtO33Zz3BrQ@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <a92baf9c-88d6-4b9d-a0ff-e9fcb1ec26dd@rmi.net>

The locating screw is smaller than 1/4 inch.? Hard to tell that in the 
picture below.? More like a #12 screw.

The locating screw seems to screw into a M6x1 sizer at the hardware 
store.? But strangely a M6x1 bolt won's screw into the hole.

It appears to be 27tpi according to my gauge.

Looks very close to m5x.8

Thanks,
Roger

On 4/28/25 21:28, aribert neumann wrote:
> The screw?is 1/4 inch.? I don't remember if fine thread: 28 tpi or 
> coarse thread:20 tpi? ? ? ? For grins, I would get a known M6x1 
> fastener and see if it threads in.
>
>
>
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:?Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date:?Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
> Subject:?[TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
> Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
> received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into. Checked with
> drill bits.? An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
> but not into the new one.
>
> Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Tue Apr 29 17:34:48 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 23:34:48 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
In-Reply-To: <a92baf9c-88d6-4b9d-a0ff-e9fcb1ec26dd@rmi.net>
References: <CAGkVM28-3HPYpLETaY4kE__2OHqEQbsgGz-SGmQqtO33Zz3BrQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <a92baf9c-88d6-4b9d-a0ff-e9fcb1ec26dd@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <1214400213.3372950.1745969688851@mail.yahoo.com>

Moss lists these as?
https://mossmotors.com/323-215-screw-shaft-locating
It may be whitworth or something.
Dave 


 

    On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 02:34:18 PM CDT, Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:   

  
The locating screw is smaller than 1/4 inch.? Hard to tell that in the picture below.? More like a #12 screw.
 
 
The locating screw seems to screw into a M6x1 sizer at the hardware store.? But strangely a M6x1 bolt won's screw into the hole.? 
 
 
It appears to be 27tpi according to my gauge.? 
 
 
Looks very close to m5x.8
 
 
Thanks,
 Roger
 
  On 4/28/25 21:28, aribert neumann wrote:
  
 
 The screw?is 1/4 inch.? I don't remember if fine thread: 28 tpi or coarse thread:20 tpi? ? ? ? For grins, I would get a known M6x1 fastener and see if it threads in. 
  
  
  
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 From:?Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
 To:?triumphs at autox.team.net
 Cc:?
 Bcc:?
 Date:?Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
 Subject:?[TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
 Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
 received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.? Checked with
 drill bits.? An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
 but not into the new one.
 
 Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.
 
 Thanks,
 Roger Elliott 
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From elliottr at rmi.net  Tue Apr 29 17:48:48 2025
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:48:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
In-Reply-To: <1214400213.3372950.1745969688851@mail.yahoo.com>
References: <CAGkVM28-3HPYpLETaY4kE__2OHqEQbsgGz-SGmQqtO33Zz3BrQ@mail.gmail.com>
 <a92baf9c-88d6-4b9d-a0ff-e9fcb1ec26dd@rmi.net>
 <1214400213.3372950.1745969688851@mail.yahoo.com>
Message-ID: <71e4b6e4-b150-42e1-bd0d-07f6dac066ac@rmi.net>

Thanks Dave,

I have a couple of the screws. (though mine have a Pozidriv head 
instead.? The problem is I have 2 rocker shafts that were tapped for the 
wrong size. So, I am trying to figure out if I could tap them to the 
right size.

What I said on a previous post was wrong.? I went back to a hardware 
store and the locating screw slid right into the M6x1 tester with out 
having to turn it.? So it is smaller than that. It would not go into a M5x.8

I suspect you are right about it being a Whitworth.

Thanks,
Roger

On 4/29/25 18:34, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> Moss lists these as
>
> https://mossmotors.com/323-215-screw-shaft-locating
>
> It may be whitworth or something.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 02:34:18 PM CDT, Roger Elliott 
> <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:
>
>
> The locating screw is smaller than 1/4 inch.? Hard to tell that in the 
> picture below.? More like a #12 screw.
>
> The locating screw seems to screw into a M6x1 sizer at the hardware 
> store.? But strangely a M6x1 bolt won's screw into the hole.
>
> It appears to be 27tpi according to my gauge.
>
> Looks very close to m5x.8
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
> On 4/28/25 21:28, aribert neumann wrote:
> The screw?is 1/4 inch.? I don't remember if fine thread: 28 tpi or 
> coarse thread:20 tpi ? For grins, I would get a known M6x1 fastener 
> and see if it threads in.
>
>
>
>
> --------- Forwarded message ----------
> From:?Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net <mailto:elliottr at rmi.net>>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date:?Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
> Subject:?[TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
> Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
> received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.? Checked with
> drill bits.? An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
> but not into the new one.
>
> Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
>
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Apr 30 05:58:45 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 11:58:45 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
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References: <CAGkVM28-3HPYpLETaY4kE__2OHqEQbsgGz-SGmQqtO33Zz3BrQ@mail.gmail.com>
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Wikipedia has a fairly comprehensive page on Whitworth bolts
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
It looks like it might be a 7/32 which is between M5 and M6.? Good luck finding one of those.
Moss has them and Rimmer Brothers have them (part no 104859).? I suspect there is one old bloke in the Lake District who still has the tooling and is making them in his retirement.? Such was the nature of the British Auto Industry in the early years after the war.
Seriously, I'll bet Rimmer contracted a large quantity (1,000?) be produced and sold half of them to Moss.
But these are hex head rather than Pozidrive.? I have only a passing familiarity with machine shop operations but I suspect that making the hex head version is much easier to make using an NC lathe and hexagonal feed stock.? Making a Pozidrive (or even Philips) would require a stamping operation to form the head.? If you insist on Pozidrive maybe you can arrange a swap with someone who has a Pozidrive screw and is willing to use the hex head.
Dave 


 

    On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 07:30:40 PM CDT, Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:   

  
Thanks Dave,
 
 
I have a couple of the screws. (though mine have a Pozidriv head instead.? The problem is I have 2 rocker shafts that were tapped for the wrong size. So, I am trying to figure out if I could tap them to the right size.
 
 
What I said on a previous post was wrong.? I went back to a hardware store and the locating screw slid right into the M6x1 tester with out having to turn it.? So it is smaller than that.? It would not go into a M5x.8
 
 
I suspect you are right about it being a Whitworth.
 
 
Thanks,
 Roger
 
 On 4/29/25 18:34, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
  
 
  Moss lists these as? 
  https://mossmotors.com/323-215-screw-shaft-locating 
  It may be whitworth or something. 
     Dave 
  
  
  
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From johnnybh at windstream.net  Wed Apr 30 13:12:04 2025
From: johnnybh at windstream.net (johnnybh)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 15:12:04 -0400
Subject: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw (aribert neumann)
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Hello,

An 11/64 drill bit is 0.17185" in decimal, which is approximately the 
tap drill size (0.1770") for #12-24 thread.

In this day and age I would also be tempted to try a metric screw. A 
M5x1.0 would be closest.

oldjohnny

> -------- Original message --------
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> Cc:
> Bcc:
> Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
> Subject: [TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
> Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
> received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.  Checked with
> drill bits.  An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
> but not into the new one.
>
> Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger Elliott
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed Apr 30 15:55:58 2025
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 22:55:58 +0100
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
Message-ID: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>

I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.

Jonmac

From elliottr at rmi.net  Wed Apr 30 16:33:48 2025
From: elliottr at rmi.net (Roger Elliott)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:33:48 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
In-Reply-To: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
References: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <be9f091c-705b-4a54-a9df-c3f7902871b0@rmi.net>

Thanks John.
I am trying to look at metric.? It doesn't seem to be a size that is 
commonly stocked at hardware stores around here.

Roger


On 4/30/25 16:55, John Macartney wrote:
> I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.
>
> Jonmac
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Apr 30 16:34:13 2025
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 16:34:13 -0600
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
In-Reply-To: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
References: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFCmLUWKKG1p63+9-VE7XAuh6jx5qJ741ca-DkCpyQFzCg@mail.gmail.com>

I'm not aware of any Whitworth threads installed by S-T (at least on a
sidescreen car).  There may be some Whitworth and BA threads on bought-in
components, like SU carbs, Smiths, and possibly some Lucas.  But I'll be
shocked sh*tless to learn legit Withworth threads were used in a S-T engine.

Jonmac, I'd never heard that metric and inch fasteners were used on the
line at the same time depending on the end market for the vehicle.  That's
a fascinating bit of trivia, and one of the reasons we love having you
here!  What time period are you talking about for that?  Maybe 1970s?

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 4:27?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

> I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While
> I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic
> reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a
> time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market
> specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went
> where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a
> possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.
>
> Jonmac
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From johnbmacartney at gmx.com  Wed Apr 30 17:19:52 2025
From: johnbmacartney at gmx.com (John Macartney)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 00:19:52 +0100
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFCmLUWKKG1p63+9-VE7XAuh6jx5qJ741ca-DkCpyQFzCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
 <CAPK7CFCmLUWKKG1p63+9-VE7XAuh6jx5qJ741ca-DkCpyQFzCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <27978E86-1BE1-4497-80E7-D328AE37877A@gmx.com>

Don,

It came about as I recall sometime in the late 60s when I was working for the company in London. What started it (IIRC) was when there was an engineering change bulletin brought about by Sweden requiring cadmium plated fasteners instead of zinc, or t?other way about on all cars for Sweden. That allegedly precipitated the Belgian assembly plant seeking to use metric fasteners in certain areas, though not all, in their build sequencing. Coventry still built quite a lot of components that went into the kits for Belgium and for a while, most if not all cars going to Sweden were built in Belgium. Later on, Sweden destined cars reverted to UK build and I think it all died a very quick death and we reverted to imperial standard, apart from the cadmium and zinc issue which remained in place. However, it wasn?t plain sailing all the way in the Coventry and London service departments because the fitters started moaning about not having appropriate sized sockets and spanner?s for oddball UK home market cars that found their way in with strange metric hardware. All in all, one humongous cock-up all round and I don?t think anyone was sure who had suggested it all in the first place. Probably some acne ridden long-haired lout just out of university with a Divinity degree and who wanted to make his mark and change the world. Quite likely the same person was later moved into Purchasing and decided to change the metallurgical spec for Stag cylinder heads - and that?s somewhere no-one needs to go, EVER!

Jonmac

> On 30 Apr 2025, at 23:34, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
> 
> I'm not aware of any Whitworth threads installed by S-T (at least on a sidescreen car).  There may be some Whitworth and BA threads on bought-in components, like SU carbs, Smiths, and possibly some Lucas.  But I'll be shocked sh*tless to learn legit Withworth threads were used in a S-T engine.
> 
> Jonmac, I'd never heard that metric and inch fasteners were used on the line at the same time depending on the end market for the vehicle.  That's a fascinating bit of trivia, and one of the reasons we love having you here!  What time period are you talking about for that?  Maybe 1970s?
> 
>> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 4:27?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:
>> I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.
>> 
>> Jonmac
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Apr 30 17:26:19 2025
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 17:26:19 -0600
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
In-Reply-To: <27978E86-1BE1-4497-80E7-D328AE37877A@gmx.com>
References: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
 <CAPK7CFCmLUWKKG1p63+9-VE7XAuh6jx5qJ741ca-DkCpyQFzCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <27978E86-1BE1-4497-80E7-D328AE37877A@gmx.com>
Message-ID: <CAPK7CFD9ofXdW0vpyEZkuV=u8HLra3UM13QZd+kaSYGBYYwHqw@mail.gmail.com>

Thanks, Jonmac.  Most likely Sweden mandated a move to zinc and away from
cadmium.  Cadmium plating has some health and environmental risks that are
lessened with zinc plating.

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 5:20?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
wrote:

> Don,
>
> It came about as I recall sometime in the late 60s when I was working for
> the company in London. What started it (IIRC) was when there was an
> engineering change bulletin brought about by Sweden requiring cadmium
> plated fasteners instead of zinc, or t?other way about on all cars for
> Sweden. That allegedly precipitated the Belgian assembly plant seeking to
> use metric fasteners in certain areas, though not all, in their build
> sequencing. Coventry still built quite a lot of components that went into
> the kits for Belgium and for a while, most if not all cars going to Sweden
> were built in Belgium. Later on, Sweden destined cars reverted to UK build
> and I think it all died a very quick death and we reverted to imperial
> standard, apart from the cadmium and zinc issue which remained in place.
> However, it wasn?t plain sailing all the way in the Coventry and London
> service departments because the fitters started moaning about not having
> appropriate sized sockets and spanner?s for oddball UK home market cars
> that found their way in with strange metric hardware. All in all, one
> humongous cock-up all round and I don?t think anyone was sure who had
> suggested it all in the first place. Probably some acne ridden long-haired
> lout just out of university with a Divinity degree and who wanted to make
> his mark and change the world. Quite likely the same person was later moved
> into Purchasing and decided to change the metallurgical spec for Stag
> cylinder heads - and that?s somewhere no-one needs to go, EVER!
>
> Jonmac
>
> On 30 Apr 2025, at 23:34, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
> I'm not aware of any Whitworth threads installed by S-T (at least on a
> sidescreen car).  There may be some Whitworth and BA threads on bought-in
> components, like SU carbs, Smiths, and possibly some Lucas.  But I'll be
> shocked sh*tless to learn legit Withworth threads were used in a S-T engine.
>
> Jonmac, I'd never heard that metric and inch fasteners were used on the
> line at the same time depending on the end market for the vehicle.  That's
> a fascinating bit of trivia, and one of the reasons we love having you
> here!  What time period are you talking about for that?  Maybe 1970s?
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 4:27?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
>> I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry.
>> While I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely
>> patriotic reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route.
>> There was a time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that
>> was market specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of
>> hardware went where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might
>> this be a possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch
>> threads.
>>
>> Jonmac
>> ** triumphs at autox.team.net **
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From dave at ranteer.com  Wed Apr 30 19:31:45 2025
From: dave at ranteer.com (dave northrup)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 01:31:45 +0000
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFD9ofXdW0vpyEZkuV=u8HLra3UM13QZd+kaSYGBYYwHqw@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
 <CAPK7CFCmLUWKKG1p63+9-VE7XAuh6jx5qJ741ca-DkCpyQFzCg@mail.gmail.com>
 <27978E86-1BE1-4497-80E7-D328AE37877A@gmx.com>
 <CAPK7CFD9ofXdW0vpyEZkuV=u8HLra3UM13QZd+kaSYGBYYwHqw@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <205a253e237e4e3eb0a8b70700b47899@ranteer.com>

I do believe that the float bowl top bolts and the bolt on the starter are Whitworth on the sidescreen cars

From: Triumphs <triumphs-bounces at autox.team.net> On Behalf Of Don Hiscock
Sent: Wednesday, April 30, 2025 6:26 PM
To: John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
Cc: triumphs at autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [TR] Rocker feed screw.

Thanks, Jonmac.  Most likely Sweden mandated a move to zinc and away from cadmium.  Cadmium plating has some health and environmental risks that are lessened with zinc plating.

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 5:20?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>> wrote:
Don,

It came about as I recall sometime in the late 60s when I was working for the company in London. What started it (IIRC) was when there was an engineering change bulletin brought about by Sweden requiring cadmium plated fasteners instead of zinc, or t?other way about on all cars for Sweden. That allegedly precipitated the Belgian assembly plant seeking to use metric fasteners in certain areas, though not all, in their build sequencing. Coventry still built quite a lot of components that went into the kits for Belgium and for a while, most if not all cars going to Sweden were built in Belgium. Later on, Sweden destined cars reverted to UK build and I think it all died a very quick death and we reverted to imperial standard, apart from the cadmium and zinc issue which remained in place. However, it wasn?t plain sailing all the way in the Coventry and London service departments because the fitters started moaning about not having appropriate sized sockets and spanner?s for oddball UK home market cars that found their way in with strange metric hardware. All in all, one humongous cock-up all round and I don?t think anyone was sure who had suggested it all in the first place. Probably some acne ridden long-haired lout just out of university with a Divinity degree and who wanted to make his mark and change the world. Quite likely the same person was later moved into Purchasing and decided to change the metallurgical spec for Stag cylinder heads - and that?s somewhere no-one needs to go, EVER!

Jonmac

On 30 Apr 2025, at 23:34, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com<mailto:don.hiscock at gmail.com>> wrote:
I'm not aware of any Whitworth threads installed by S-T (at least on a sidescreen car).  There may be some Whitworth and BA threads on bought-in components, like SU carbs, Smiths, and possibly some Lucas.  But I'll be shocked sh*tless to learn legit Withworth threads were used in a S-T engine.

Jonmac, I'd never heard that metric and inch fasteners were used on the line at the same time depending on the end market for the vehicle.  That's a fascinating bit of trivia, and one of the reasons we love having you here!  What time period are you talking about for that?  Maybe 1970s?

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 4:27?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com<mailto:johnbmacartney at gmx.com>> wrote:
I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.

Jonmac
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Apr 30 19:35:14 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 01:35:14 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
In-Reply-To: <CAPK7CFCmLUWKKG1p63+9-VE7XAuh6jx5qJ741ca-DkCpyQFzCg@mail.gmail.com>
References: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
 <CAPK7CFCmLUWKKG1p63+9-VE7XAuh6jx5qJ741ca-DkCpyQFzCg@mail.gmail.com>
Message-ID: <2021169979.57554.1746063314373@mail.yahoo.com>

There are Whitworth fasteners used on the TR3 windshield.? I bought a set of Whitworth taps and dies when I restored my windscreen for that reason.? But, no, that is not the engine.
Dave 


 

    On Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 05:34:25 PM CDT, Don Hiscock <don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:   

 I'm not aware of any Whitworth threads installed by S-T (at least on a sidescreen car).? There may be some Whitworth and BA threads on bought-in components, like SU carbs, Smiths, and possibly some Lucas.? But I'll be shocked sh*tless to learn legit Withworth threads?were used in a S-T engine.
Jonmac, I'd never heard that metric and inch fasteners?were used on the line at the same time depending on the end market for the vehicle.? That's a fascinating bit of trivia, and one of the reasons we love having you here!? What time period are you talking about for that?? Maybe 1970s?
On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 4:27?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com> wrote:

I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.

Jonmac
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Apr 30 19:38:40 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 01:38:40 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
In-Reply-To: <be9f091c-705b-4a54-a9df-c3f7902871b0@rmi.net>
References: <3FA21B67-5A25-437A-ADF8-2BDE4ADCB1F6@gmx.com>
 <be9f091c-705b-4a54-a9df-c3f7902871b0@rmi.net>
Message-ID: <1121821361.58794.1746063520088@mail.yahoo.com>

I may well be metric but there are a variety of thread pitches in metric fasteners and your local hardware store will only carry the most common size.? This may be why you can't find the right one.
Dave 


 

    On Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 05:49:22 PM CDT, Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:   

 Thanks John.
I am trying to look at metric.? It doesn't seem to be a size that is 
commonly stocked at hardware stores around here.

Roger


On 4/30/25 16:55, John Macartney wrote:
> I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.
>
> Jonmac
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From dave1massey at cs.com  Wed Apr 30 19:50:10 2025
From: dave1massey at cs.com (DAVID MASSEY)
Date: Thu, 1 May 2025 01:50:10 +0000 (UTC)
Subject: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw (aribert neumann)
In-Reply-To: <27f1f3ee-9518-4820-a42f-c513af064762@windstream.net>
References: <mailman.51.1745938742.12020.triumphs@autox.team.net>
 <27f1f3ee-9518-4820-a42f-c513af064762@windstream.net>
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12-24 screws are available at McMaster-Carr.? But you gotta buy 50 of them.
Dave 


 

    On Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 02:44:52 PM CDT, johnnybh <johnnybh at windstream.net> wrote:   

   

 
 
Hello,
 
An 11/64 drill bit is 0.17185" in decimal, which is approximately the tap drill size (0.1770") for #12-24 thread.
 
In this day and age I would also be tempted to try a metric screw. A M5x1.0 would be closest.
 
oldjohnny
 
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From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
To: triumphs at autox.team.net
Cc:
Bcc:
Date: Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.  Checked with
drill bits.  An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
but not into the new one.

Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.

Thanks,
Roger Elliott
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From john_finlayson at telus.net  Wed Apr 30 20:05:03 2025
From: john_finlayson at telus.net (John Finlayson)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 19:05:03 -0700
Subject: [TR] Triumphs Digest, Vol 18, Issue 45
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Have you tried British Tools Fasteners? I have not purchased anything from
them but have reviewed their website.
This is their help page.

British Fastener Specs <https://britishfasteners.com/help.html>

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> From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
> To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
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> The locating screw is smaller than 1/4 inch.? Hard to tell that in the
> picture below.? More like a #12 screw.
>
> The locating screw seems to screw into a M6x1 sizer at the hardware
> store.? But strangely a M6x1 bolt won's screw into the hole.
>
> It appears to be 27tpi according to my gauge.
>
> Looks very close to m5x.8
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
> On 4/28/25 21:28, aribert neumann wrote:
> > The screw?is 1/4 inch.? I don't remember if fine thread: 28 tpi or
> > coarse thread:20 tpi? ? ? ? For grins, I would get a known M6x1
> > fastener and see if it threads in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
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> > From:?Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date:?Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
> > Subject:?[TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
> > Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
> > received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into. Checked with
> > drill bits.? An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
> > but not into the new one.
> >
> > Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roger Elliott
> >
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> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>,  Roger
>         Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
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> Moss lists these as?
> https://mossmotors.com/323-215-screw-shaft-locating
> It may be whitworth or something.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>     On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 02:34:18 PM CDT, Roger Elliott <
> elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:
>
>
> The locating screw is smaller than 1/4 inch.? Hard to tell that in the
> picture below.? More like a #12 screw.
>
>
> The locating screw seems to screw into a M6x1 sizer at the hardware
> store.? But strangely a M6x1 bolt won's screw into the hole.?
>
>
> It appears to be 27tpi according to my gauge.?
>
>
> Looks very close to m5x.8
>
>
> Thanks,
>  Roger
>
>   On 4/28/25 21:28, aribert neumann wrote:
>
>
>  The screw?is 1/4 inch.? I don't remember if fine thread: 28 tpi or coarse
> thread:20 tpi? ? ? ? For grins, I would get a known M6x1 fastener and see
> if it threads in.
>
>
>
>   --------- Forwarded message ----------
>  From:?Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
>  To:?triumphs at autox.team.net
>  Cc:?
>  Bcc:?
>  Date:?Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
>  Subject:?[TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
>  Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
>  received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.? Checked with
>  drill bits.? An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
>  but not into the new one.
>
>  Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.
>
>  Thanks,
>  Roger Elliott
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> Date: Tue, 29 Apr 2025 18:48:48 -0500
> From: Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
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> Thanks Dave,
>
> I have a couple of the screws. (though mine have a Pozidriv head
> instead.? The problem is I have 2 rocker shafts that were tapped for the
> wrong size. So, I am trying to figure out if I could tap them to the
> right size.
>
> What I said on a previous post was wrong.? I went back to a hardware
> store and the locating screw slid right into the M6x1 tester with out
> having to turn it.? So it is smaller than that. It would not go into a
> M5x.8
>
> I suspect you are right about it being a Whitworth.
>
> Thanks,
> Roger
>
> On 4/29/25 18:34, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
> > Moss lists these as
> >
> > https://mossmotors.com/323-215-screw-shaft-locating
> >
> > It may be whitworth or something.
> >
> > Dave
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 02:34:18 PM CDT, Roger Elliott
> > <elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:
> >
> >
> > The locating screw is smaller than 1/4 inch.? Hard to tell that in the
> > picture below.? More like a #12 screw.
> >
> > The locating screw seems to screw into a M6x1 sizer at the hardware
> > store.? But strangely a M6x1 bolt won's screw into the hole.
> >
> > It appears to be 27tpi according to my gauge.
> >
> > Looks very close to m5x.8
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roger
> >
> > On 4/28/25 21:28, aribert neumann wrote:
> > The screw?is 1/4 inch.? I don't remember if fine thread: 28 tpi or
> > coarse thread:20 tpi ? For grins, I would get a known M6x1 fastener
> > and see if it threads in.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --------- Forwarded message ----------
> > From:?Roger Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net <mailto:elliottr at rmi.net>>
> > To: triumphs at autox.team.net <mailto:triumphs at autox.team.net>
> > Cc:
> > Bcc:
> > Date:?Sun, 27 Apr 2025 18:20:35 -0500
> > Subject:?[TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
> > Anyone know what size the rocker shaft locating screw is? I just
> > received a rocker shaft that the screw will not go into.? Checked with
> > drill bits.? An 11/64 drill bit would go into old rocker shafts easily,
> > but not into the new one.
> >
> > Shouldn't make any difference, but this is for a GT6 mark 1.
> >
> > Thanks,
> > Roger Elliott
> >
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> Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 11:58:45 +0000 (UTC)
> From: DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com>
> To: "triumphs at autox.team.net" <triumphs at autox.team.net>,  Roger
>         Elliott <elliottr at rmi.net>
> Subject: Re: [TR] TR] Rocker Shaft locating screw
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> Wikipedia has a fairly comprehensive page on Whitworth bolts
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/British_Standard_Whitworth
> It looks like it might be a 7/32 which is between M5 and M6.? Good luck
> finding one of those.
> Moss has them and Rimmer Brothers have them (part no 104859).? I suspect
> there is one old bloke in the Lake District who still has the tooling and
> is making them in his retirement.? Such was the nature of the British Auto
> Industry in the early years after the war.
> Seriously, I'll bet Rimmer contracted a large quantity (1,000?) be
> produced and sold half of them to Moss.
> But these are hex head rather than Pozidrive.? I have only a passing
> familiarity with machine shop operations but I suspect that making the hex
> head version is much easier to make using an NC lathe and hexagonal feed
> stock.? Making a Pozidrive (or even Philips) would require a stamping
> operation to form the head.? If you insist on Pozidrive maybe you can
> arrange a swap with someone who has a Pozidrive screw and is willing to use
> the hex head.
> Dave
>
>
>
>
>     On Tuesday, April 29, 2025 at 07:30:40 PM CDT, Roger Elliott <
> elliottr at rmi.net> wrote:
>
>
> Thanks Dave,
>
>
> I have a couple of the screws. (though mine have a Pozidriv head instead.?
> The problem is I have 2 rocker shafts that were tapped for the wrong size.
> So, I am trying to figure out if I could tap them to the right size.
>
>
> What I said on a previous post was wrong.? I went back to a hardware store
> and the locating screw slid right into the M6x1 tester with out having to
> turn it.? So it is smaller than that.? It would not go into a M5x.8
>
>
> I suspect you are right about it being a Whitworth.
>
>
> Thanks,
>  Roger
>
>  On 4/29/25 18:34, DAVID MASSEY wrote:
>
>
>   Moss lists these as?
>   https://mossmotors.com/323-215-screw-shaft-locating
>   It may be whitworth or something.
>      Dave
>
>
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From don.hiscock at gmail.com  Wed Apr 30 22:13:52 2025
From: don.hiscock at gmail.com (Don Hiscock)
Date: Wed, 30 Apr 2025 23:13:52 -0500
Subject: [TR] Rocker feed screw.
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Are you referring to the Tenax studs on the windscreen frame, Dave?  I'd
have guessed those were BA threaded.

On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 8:35?PM DAVID MASSEY <dave1massey at cs.com> wrote:

> There are Whitworth fasteners used on the TR3 windshield.  I bought a set
> of Whitworth taps and dies when I restored my windscreen for that reason.
> But, no, that is not the engine.
>
> Dave
>
>
>
>
> On Wednesday, April 30, 2025 at 05:34:25 PM CDT, Don Hiscock <
> don.hiscock at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>
> I'm not aware of any Whitworth threads installed by S-T (at least on a
> sidescreen car).  There may be some Whitworth and BA threads on bought-in
> components, like SU carbs, Smiths, and possibly some Lucas.  But I'll be
> shocked sh*tless to learn legit Withworth threads were used in a S-T engine.
>
> Jonmac, I'd never heard that metric and inch fasteners were used on the
> line at the same time depending on the end market for the vehicle.  That's
> a fascinating bit of trivia, and one of the reasons we love having you
> here!  What time period are you talking about for that?  Maybe 1970s?
>
> On Wed, Apr 30, 2025 at 4:27?PM John Macartney <johnbmacartney at gmx.com>
> wrote:
>
> I have my doubts about the offending item having Whitworth ancestry. While
> I?ve long been a Whitworth advocate and enthusiast (for purely patriotic
> reasons) I think it might be worth going down a metric route. There was a
> time when the factory briefly reverted to metric hardware that was market
> specific for European build. Needless to say, certain bits of hardware went
> where they shouldn?t (or inadvertently wound up there). Might this be a
> possible avenue to explore? Evaluate metric fine and coarse pitch threads.
>
> Jonmac
>
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