[WPTA] Dzus meeting

Mon Jan 28 14:44:42 MST 2019

A call to PENNDOT today said they same as your first paragraph below….they stated that if you modified the lighting,  (example,  LED, halogen )  no longer qualifies for Antique plates.

OK, if you improve lighting on Antique tagged vehicle…..then can insurance company deny claim based on your violation of States regs ???

Rich R

From: JIM UNDERWOOD [mailto:hjunderwood at comcast.net] 
Sent: Monday, January 28, 2019 9:40 AM
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Subject: Re: [WPTA] Dzus meeting

Bill is correct.

"Classic vehicles are subject to an annual vehicle safety inspection. Antique vehicles operated exclusively
between sunrise and sunset are exempt from the normal lighting requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle
Code, but must have their original lighting equipment. Antique vehicles are not subject to the annual vehicle
safety inspection. Antique and classic vehicles are not subject to emissions inspection."

This sentence is put in so that people don't drive their Model T with gas lamps and no turn signals after dark. It is saying you can drive your originally equipped Model T during daylight hours only. Bottom line is that if the lighting is DOT approved and would pass a safety inspection, you can drive it any time of the day or night regardless of which plate is on it. I hear this can't drive after dark all the time because of misinterpretation of this one sentence.
Jim

On January 28, 2019 at 8:16 AM xj61975--- via Wpta <wpta at autox.team.net> wrote: 

Believe what you want, Rich. 

Penndot is so random that you are likely to get any answer on any given day depending on who you talk to. 

Back when photos were required, I had applications bounced because of: 

-a person sitting in the car 

-front window was down 

-license plate visible and "was not original to the car" 

I actually resubmitted the photos with the person in the car to see what would happen, and a week later I got my plate. Go figure. 

If you can find in writing within the vehicle code that antique plates are not valid after dark, please let us know what section. 

I did up a 1941 Ford in the mid 1980's. I had a good friend who was a State Trooper at the time who ran it up his chain of command.  "If you want to drive legally after dark, make sure you have two taillights, turn signals, and sealed beam headlights". That was good enough for me. 

Or just go with Classic and keep going in for inspections each year. 

Thanks, 

Bill 

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Bill.  I had a friend went to PENNDOT last week 

The lady on desk told her that was difference between plates 

And insurance company may not insure you  

You would think they know  

Would like to get in writing from PENNDOT 

Thx 

Rich R 

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On Sunday, January 27, 2019, xj61975 at aol.com <xj61975 at aol.com> wrote: 

Even before any recent changes, there is no restriction to drive an antique registered car in PA after dark as long as you lighting meets current standards. This has been true for at least the last 25 years if not longer. Many people do not understand this and stick with Classic plates. 

Bill Cooper 

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I looked into the after dark driving in PA in the past, and this statement "used" to be there.... 

Antique vehicles operated exclusively between sunrise and sunset are exempt from the normal lighting  

requirements of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, but must have their original lighting equipment.   

It looks that that statement has now even been removed from the code, as I am unable to find 

it anyplace on PennDot documents... 

Here is what I think is the current document that mentions nothing about driving after dark.. 

  USE OF ANTIQUE, CLASSIC AND VINTAGE REGISTRATION PLATES The use of antique, classic and vintage registration plates is governed by Section 1340 of the Pennsylvania Vehicle Code, which states: “It is unlawful for any person to operate a motorcycle or vehicle with antique, classic or vintage registration plates for general daily transportation. Permitted use shall be limited to participation in club activities, exhibits, tours, parades, occasional transportation and similar uses.” Occasional transportation and similar uses are defined as no more than one day a week. Although buses and trucks are eligible for antique, classic and vintage registration plates, buses MAY NOT be used to transport passengers and trucks MAY NOT haul cargo. Antique, classic and vintage registration plates are not available for motorized pedalcycles or motor homes.  

http://www.dot.state.pa.us/public/dvspubsforms/BMV/BMV%20Fact%20Sheets/fs-ant.pdf 

My Thoughts... 

Happy Sunday :-) 

Joe 

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On Sun, Jan 27, 2019 at 7:17 PM rroenigk--- via Wpta < wpta at autox.team.net> wrote: 

Subject for discussion  

Antique Tags 

If PA law says can’t drive after dark, does your insurance company still cover you if you do ? 

Mine is American Modern and they say they go by each States restrictions / guidelines  

I would not be covered when driving in dark hours in PA 

Appreciate any feedback  

Thx 

Rich R 

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