[Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens

Sat Dec 7 09:29:01 MST 2013

Hi Steve,

I like your idea.  Put me in for one.

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From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Hanegan
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 8:58 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens

I Concur with Mr. Kirby! Even $5 makes this an outstanding deal... (MUCH cheaper than therapy!)

This is what I did with mine:
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The actual size of the paper is 16" x 24". I first made a clear (tweaking the contrast & brightness a wee bit) B/W copy on my home printer/copier then taped a copy of the wiring key to the top, then off to FedEx Office/Kinko's (I wish...) to enlarge 150% and laminate both sides. This whole process cost about $11 as I recall. It is clear enough to read easily yet small enough to be taped to one door of my wall cabinets. The advantages are that A) it is big enough to see, B) you can easily trace each circuit as you are working on it with a dry erase marker of your choice, then wipe it right off as you have completed the circuit, and C) the wire color codes are right up from the schematic and it is very easy to just shift your eyes a bit to see which wire color you are working with. For the one I did on my  GT also has the numerical key of components/diagram numbers attached to the bottom and it is 3' x 4', attached to the inside of my garage door. The one for the GT cost about $20 all in.

As an ex-draughtsman (with schematic experience), I would caution anyone trying to re-draw this schematic to make sure that ALL information (such as terminal designations) are caught and transferred accurately. We used to have this thing called "draftsman's humor" that would cause us to put some sneaky bit of detail into the drawing that would identify us (as artists) to those with enough savvy to catch and appreciate the included quirks. And these drawings are of an age and origin that would absolutely guarantee that they were the product of one man on a drafting table with ink pen on mylar for durability... and thus created by talented hand by an unsung artist - with a sense of humor (we would hope)!

That being said, I would be more than happy to take my drawing, update the wiring of the wiper motor (as seen correctly in the MGA 1600 Mk II schematic) and include both the red (#41) wire that feeds the light on the clock and the (#40) Brown with black trace wire that controls the interior light from the front door switches, and supply them to anyone on request for cost. Both of these details (though sadly not the correction of the wiring for the self parking wiper motor) are shown correctly on page N.20 of the Magnette Issue 2 (8324-5/57) copy of AKD573 WSM as being for LHD (With flashing indicators - commencing car ZB18577)

Steve H.

On Dec 6, 2013, at 3:36 PM, "Steve Kirby" <skirby210 at cox.net<mailto:skirby210 at cox.net>> wrote:

I won't pay $2.00.  That is ridiculous!  I would gladly pay $5.00 however, as the joy of having it in color is PRICELESS!  My choice would be 11 x 17 or 12 x 18 . . . in that range.  Bigger OK, smaller no.  I've done the wiring on a couple of cars, and can't 'splain strongly enuf how very helpful a good, readable, color-coded schematic is.  Maybe its cuz I'm not the electronic genius that some of you are, but a good, readable schematic has gotten me through a couple of times, with no fires or shorts.

#2SteveK
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From: John Perkins<mailto:wrench at attglobal.net>
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America<mailto:zmagnette at autox.team.net>
Sent: Friday, December 06, 2013 1:24 PM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Wiring diagrams and windscreens

Allen:
    The longest time for me to build the wiring diagram in Visio is the time to build the icons for the various components to look as much like the original diagram as possible.  Would $2.00 a copy for PDFs be too much?  That way people who want to print it can take the PDF to their nearest Kinko's and those who like to use a PC or tablet could use it electronically.  Also, I will need some input about what size most folks would want it to be for printing and the corrections that need to made.  I know about the wiper motor, and I'll check about the clock when I get home tonight, are there any more problems?
    Perkins

On 12/6/2013 1:30 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:
Perkins,

I think your idea sounds like a plan, but I also think you should be paid for your time and effort.  If you could hang a price tag on the completed item, perhaps we could price it out and have folks receive the PDF file once they're paid, or maybe there are a handful of us on the list who just want to kick in enough that you would be comfortable distributing it to all.  What works for you?

Thanks!
Allen
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On Dec 6, 2013, at 12:51 PM, John Perkins wrote:

Rick and Allen:
    As I'm sitting in hotel rooms, I could reproduce the wiring diagram in Visio and color the wires in as correct a color as Visio will allow.  Then output it as a PDF file that anyone could print on either 8.5 by 11 or 11 by 17 paper.  We could even use this to fix the problem with the wiper motor wiring that is in the factory shop manual.
    Perkins

On 12/6/2013 11:07 AM, Richard Greenberg wrote:
Allen et al.,

Regarding (1):  I would be happy to scan the wiring diagrams from the shop manual.  My scanner is a cheap hp printer, but it could produce a workable digital image.  Then anyone could print and laminate their own from the digital file.

If you want an artistic version, suitable for framing, you might want to use a better scanner though.

Let me know if you want a digital scan.

--Rick

On Dec 5, 2013, at 11:28 PM, Allen Bachelder wrote:

In a recent phone conversation with one of our own, two concerns arose which I promised to address about a week ago.  I apologize for the delay, but my past week has been memorable for its interruptions.

Two questions:
1.)  Is there somebody in our noble band who either could or would be interested in making up enlarged wiring diagrams for the Magnette. I know there are at least four of them, and maybe some choices would have to be made, but did somebody volunteer that they could provide an 11 X 17 wiring diagram copy either laminated or suitable for lamination? If you are not such a person but have access to equipment that could produce same, for a PRICE of course, I can guaranty you sales of two of these from the get-go.  I know we discussed this at some time but cannot recall how we left it.

2.) We also focused on a windscreen thread a year or two ago, and somebody found that Pilkington (?name?) had a US distribution center (somewhere in Ohio?) from which we might be able to expect a supply of new windscreens.  Is there a follow-up story here? There are those of us who either need one or would buy one as a spare should they become available.  Once again, any new information about this would certainly be welcome.  I know the nightmare Steve Hanegan went through to land a shipment of windscreens and rear Varitone glasses here in the US of A.  I suspect a good many of those of us of the Varitone persuasion would be cheered to find a stash of these bits available in North America, but I wouldn't wish this task on Steve again for anything.  So... can anybody report anything new on this concern?

Many thanks to anybody who can contribute to this conversation!

Holiday Cheers,
Allen
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