[Zmagnette] Paint

Sun Dec 29 12:29:29 MST 2013

I think I can Decipher the sequence. I do not have any Valspar dealers in the area I checked Friday. So I'm going with the PPG even though it's a little more expensive. My basecoat is acrylic urethane primer K 36. Does that sound right to you

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On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Steve Kirby" <skirby210 at cox.net> wrote:

> well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any other bonehead mistakes like the one John caught.  The thing w/painting is, there are many products and many choices.  Starting with basic decisions like "single stage" or "clear coat".  Marinara or Alfredo?  Then, I realize I live in Calif. where things that others or you might have are not allowed here.  For instance, if you clear coat, then you elimiante the color sanding and buff/polish stage.  Spaghetti or Linguini?  I already stated my preference when doing a vintage car:  single stage, color sanded and buffed.  Others will vehemently disagree, and that's fine.
>  
> I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out like what?  +/- 32 cars???  You, or someone!, obviously knows what the heck they are doing.  Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a model to which the rest of us can aspire.
>  
> #2SteveK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Park
> To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North    America'
> Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:44    AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
> 
> Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your original discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have the complete and accurate version so I’m/we’re not open to mis-interpretation.  I really like when you “experienced” guys give a full detailed account of how to do things. I’m trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. Regards, John
>  
> From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North    America
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
>  
> ooooops, John is absolutely right.  I should have looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a treatise.  I now realize how I made that mistake.  I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior to that (a yellow/greenie looking product).   Somewhere along there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.
>  
> Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy sealer.  My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP (which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni line).  Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the remnants of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became "self-etching epoxy sealer".  John is 100% correct, ain't no such animal.  
>  
> What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step.  Have not had one problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier person.  Guess that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been invented yet!) product:  self-etching epoxy sealer!  Throw in the self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous mental route.
>  
> The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about. 
>  
> #2SteveK
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: John Elwood
> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
> Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM
> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
>  
> I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ".  Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a epoxy, not both...  What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer "?  Google gives me nothing.
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