[Zmagnette] Paint
Steve Kirby
skirby210 at cox.net
Sun Dec 29 13:59:51 MST 2013
you'll never go wrong w/PPG. ValSpar seems to be a new player, or "bigger" player recently in the car field. They are buying up a lot of others.
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From: Scott Woolman
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 11:29 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
I think I can Decipher the sequence. I do not have any Valspar dealers in the area I checked Friday. So I'm going with the PPG even though it's a little more expensive. My basecoat is acrylic urethane primer K 36. Does that sound right to you
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On Dec 29, 2013, at 11:01 AM, "Steve Kirby" <skirby210 at cox.net> wrote:
well gosh, I think so, BUT . . . . I hope I haven't made any other bonehead mistakes like the one John caught. The thing w/painting is, there are many products and many choices. Starting with basic decisions like "single stage" or "clear coat". Marinara or Alfredo? Then, I realize I live in Calif. where things that others or you might have are not allowed here. For instance, if you clear coat, then you elimiante the color sanding and buff/polish stage. Spaghetti or Linguini? I already stated my preference when doing a vintage car: single stage, color sanded and buffed. Others will vehemently disagree, and that's fine.
I do distinctly your fantastic car at Delavan . . . beating out like what? +/- 32 cars??? You, or someone!, obviously knows what the heck they are doing. Your car is drop dead gorgeous, and a model to which the rest of us can aspire.
#2SteveK
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From: John Park
To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
Sent: Sunday, December 29, 2013 10:44 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
Hi Steve, Does this latest missive mean more adjustments to your original discourse on painting? Being an amateur it would be nice to have the complete and accurate version so I’m/we’re not open to mis-interpretation. I really like when you “experienced” guys give a full detailed account of how to do things. I’m trying to keep some semblance of fix it history like Wray Lemke did for us back at GT35. Regards, John
From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve Kirby
Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 11:23 PM
To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
ooooops, John is absolutely right. I should have looked at my "cans" of junk before writing such a treatise. I now realize how I made that mistake. I use to use PPG DP40 epoxy sealer, and an etching stuff prior to that (a yellow/greenie looking product). Somewhere along there, the guy I work with said you really didn't need to use the etching stuff anymore, as as the DP40 would be fine without it.
Then, to make matters worse "in my mind", I started using SEM and UPol "self etching primer" in spray cans, again on the advice of the same guy, when I would occassionaly sand through, or whatever, the epoxy sealer. My "guy" said that would be fine, and totally compatible with the DP40 type products (I now use a similar type product,made by TCP (which I believe is made by ValSpar, rather than the $$$$ PPG DP40, or even the PPG Omni line). Thus, somehow in the back recesses of the remnants of my withering brain, the two products somewhat merged and became "self-etching epoxy sealer". John is 100% correct, ain't no such animal.
What I will say, is that on the last 3 cars (well, 2 cars, one large truck) I have skipped the etching stage completely, and gone completely with the epoxy sealer, as the first step. Have not had one problem . . . again, on the advice of a respected auto body supplier person. Guess that is partially how I derived the "new (so new, it hasn't been invented yet!) product: self-etching epoxy sealer! Throw in the self-etching spray cans of primer, which was recommended to use on whatever bare metal areas might occur, and that completed my erroneous mental route.
The next time I attempt such a discourse, I think I best mosey up to my shop, and check the cans of stuff I'm talking about.
#2SteveK
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From: John Elwood
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Sent: Saturday, December 28, 2013 6:18 AM
Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Paint
I've never heard of " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer ". Always thought it was one or the other... Either an etch primer, or a epoxy, not both... What product is " self-etching, epoxy - catalytic sealer "? Google gives me nothing.
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