[Zmagnette] Thermostat housing
charles durning
durningcharles at gmail.com
Sun May 18 16:39:37 MDT 2014
Arch,
No problems that I recall.
Charlie Durning
If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 2:18 PM, Arch Boston <arch.boston at twc.com> wrote:
> Clever way to solve the problem! It has been a long time since I owned a
> B, and, as I said, never a rubber bumper. We're there any problems with
> this setup? Arch
>
> Sent from my iPad
>
> On May 18, 2014, at 1:48 PM, charles durning <durningcharles at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> Arch,
>
> On the late rubber bumper B's the radiator is lower than the thermostat
> housing. Since the T'stat is the highest point in the cooling system that
> plug is the filler for the cooling system
>
>
> Charlie Durning
>
> If you are using Google or Gmail, Big Brother is watching.
>
>
>
> On Sun, May 18, 2014 at 10:47 AM, Arch Boston <arch.boston at twc.com> wrote:
>
>> I have owned MGs since 1956, a VERY long time.... That being said --- I
>> never owned a rubber bumper B. So, this photo is showing something I never
>> noticed before. What is the plug for in the thermostat housing? Arch
>> Sent from my iPad
>>
>> On May 17, 2014, at 9:55 PM, charles durning <durningcharles at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> FYI on a replacement therm housing. The ones that I have found for the
>> Magnette direct the outlet slightly towards the radiator making the hose
>> bend at awkward angles to get around the cross bar. What I used was a
>> therm housing for a '77 through '80 MGB. I just cut off the bracket. Now
>> the outlet points slightly rearward making an easy fit for the top
>> hose. Here are some pics the upper hose is a Dayco 71325. The dayco hose
>> has all of the right bends for a kink free upper hose.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>> Charlie Durning
>>
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>>
>>
>> On Sat, May 17, 2014 at 6:24 PM, Jon Marino <jonnyprecious at comcast.net>wrote:
>>
>>> Thanks FRM,
>>>
>>> It took me about an hour, but I basically had to chisel off the housing
>>> carefully, piece by piece. After I soaked it all in penetrating
>>> lubricant, I
>>> removed the studs (carefully...and I mean carefully, using a vise grip)
>>> after I got that particular piece of the housing off. There was no
>>> thermostat in there, which surprised me, so now I am wondering how to
>>> flush
>>> this baby out. Any suggestions would be awesome.
>>>
>>> Jon M.
>>>
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>>> 2. Oops - sorry. Was: Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive, now: Stator
>>> Tube Wiring (Allen Bachelder)
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>>> Message: 1
>>> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 15:53:38 -0400
>>> From: Fletcher Millmore <gofanu at cust.usachoice.net>
>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Zmagnette Digest, Vol 8, Issue 57
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>>>
>>> Jon-
>>> The problem arises because water has seeped past the gasket and into the
>>> stud holes, causing corrosion. The corrosion products are bigger than the
>>> metal they start as, so form an expanding wedge against the studs - it
>>> has
>>> been known to split the housing.
>>> Remove all 3 nuts/washers.
>>> Penetrant into holes, which you will see are full of white stuff, if you
>>> are
>>> lucky not all 3!
>>> It is worth trying some heat from a propane torch on the housing, and
>>> tapping on the housing with a soft hammer.
>>> You will see if any of the studs are not in this condition.
>>> You can put nuts on the studs and tap sideways on them, to move each stud
>>> individually in the hole.
>>> You can double nut the studs and remove them, if they move, BUT:
>>> Do not remove more than one until you can move all 3; people sometimes
>>> get
>>> two out, with it still seized on the third, which is when they break the
>>> stud off in the head, or break the housing.
>>> If you get one out,. clean the stud and the hole, them put it back in
>>> until
>>> you work the others free.
>>> It sometimes takes quite a bit of this fiddling in bad cases.
>>> Patience and repetition are good - brute force is a disaster.
>>>
>>> (I did have one epic case of a cast iron Spridget housing that had to be
>>> carved off with a chisel!)
>>>
>>> Once you get it off, you will see that there is a very narrow edge that
>>> seals between the stud holes and the thermostat bore, and the housing is
>>> usually corroded here.
>>> All this is the result of poor gaskets, poorly fitted over the years.
>>> The Magnette housing is not common to many other cars in the US, so
>>> getting
>>> another is hard, and impossible for a new one.
>>> AND, the replacement gaskets are nowhere near the quality the OE were -
>>> and
>>> the OE were nearly always installed incorrectly and overtightened to
>>> failure
>>> point.
>>> SO, this is one of very few places I use LocTite Gasket eliminator or RTV
>>> silicon instead of a gasket. Use it sparingly, but pay attention to that
>>> narrow edge.
>>> Coat the studs with Anti-Seize compound before assembly.
>>>
>>> FRM
>>>
>>> On 5/17/2014 11:08 AM, Jon Marino wrote:
>>> > Hi folks,
>>> >
>>> > Is there a trick to removing the elbow water outlet (thermostat
>>> > housing, I
>>> > think) that's part of the cooling system? It just seems like it's
>>> > stuck on the engine permanently.
>>> >
>>> > Thanks,
>>> >
>>> > Jon M.
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>>> > Message: 1
>>> > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 09:40:22 -0400
>>> > From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>>> > To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>> > <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>> > Message-ID: <5CEFFE0C-5F01-4F84-BB5C-319BBBAE4AB5 at comcast.net>
>>> > Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>> >
>>> > Welcome Peter! We've now welcomed two consecutive "Peters" to our
>>> > membership (which is now up to 115, BTW). At any rate, for all the
>>> "Steves"
>>> > who own Magnettes, there is now some competition.
>>> > *********************************************
>>> > Allen & Florrie Bachelder
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>>> >
>>> >
>>> > On May 17, 2014, at 12:12 AM, Steve wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> Please welcome Peter Ferrer to our Merry Magnettic Band. Peter has a
>>> >> 58
>>> > ZB Varitone (that?s redundant, eh). We been working together trying
>>> > to solve some wiring harness issues.
>>> >>
>>> >> So, Chris K and Allen B . . . . is he in! or, is there something else
>>> >> I
>>> > need to do, like pay his lifetime membership fee in vintage headlight
>>> > bezels?
>>> >>
>>> >> Welcome Peter,
>>> >>
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>>> > Message: 2
>>> > Date: Fri, 16 May 2014 22:15:20 -0700
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>>> > To: zmagnette at autox.team.net
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>>> > Hi Chris,
>>> > What ever you did, I can now open pictures and I don't see any
>>> > scrubbed html's. I actually opened the note from Allen and it opened
>>> > with the picture. The only change I see is that I don't have the
>>> > address to reply to the digest but otherwise 99% better. Thank, you
>>> > for what you did. What did you do? I am curious.
>>> > Buckey
>>> > webuck1 at cox.net
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > ------------------------------
>>> >
>>> > Message: 3
>>> > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 09:50:59 -0400
>>> > From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>>> > To: "'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'"
>>> > <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>> > Message-ID: <C4C0FECF-3827-4E2F-AB76-97DB463C0484 at comcast.net>
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>>> >
>>> > I'm resending this from John Park as it was sent before Peter actually
>>> > got added.
>>> >
>>> > - Allen
>>> >
>>> > HI Peter,
>>> > Welcome to our wonderfully knowledgeable and fun group!
>>> > Regards,
>>> > John 59 zbv
>>> >
>>> > From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> > [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve
>>> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 12:13 AM
>>> > To: zmagnette at autox.team.net; Peter Ferrer
>>> > Subject: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>> >
>>> > Please welcome Peter Ferrer to our Merry Magnettic Band. Peter has a
>>> > 58 ZB Varitone (that?s redundant, eh). We been working together
>>> > trying to solve some wiring harness issues.
>>> >
>>> > So, Chris K and Allen B . . . . is he in! or, is there something else
>>> > I need to do, like pay his lifetime membership fee in vintage headlight
>>> bezels?
>>> >
>>> > Welcome Peter,
>>> >
>>> > #2SteveK
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>>> > Message: 4
>>> > Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 09:52:06 -0400
>>> > From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
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>>> > I'm resending this from Ed Sass as it was sent before Peter actually
>>> > got added to the list.
>>> >
>>> > Welcome Peter!
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>>> > From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> > [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Steve
>>> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 11:13 PM
>>> > To: zmagnette at autox.team.net; Peter Ferrer
>>> > Subject: [Zmagnette] Welcome to a new member
>>> >
>>> > Please welcome Peter Ferrer to our Merry Magnettic Band. Peter has a
>>> > 58 ZB Varitone (that?s redundant, eh). We been working together
>>> > trying to solve some wiring harness issues.
>>> >
>>> > So, Chris K and Allen B . . . . is he in! or, is there something else
>>> > I need to do, like pay his lifetime membership fee in vintage headlight
>>> bezels?
>>> >
>>> > Welcome Peter,
>>> >
>>> > #2SteveK
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>>> Message: 2
>>> Date: Sat, 17 May 2014 19:03:27 -0400
>>> From: Allen Bachelder <bachldrs at comcast.net>
>>> To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>> <zmagnette at autox.team.net>
>>> Subject: [Zmagnette] Oops - sorry. Was: Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive,
>>> now: Stator Tube Wiring
>>> Message-ID: <B11C70C4-598E-4485-85F4-5DC46652F182 at comcast.net>
>>> Content-Type: text/plain; charset="windows-1252"
>>>
>>> Zat better? ;-)
>>>
>>> Allen
>>>
>>> On May 17, 2014, at 3:22 PM, Steve wrote:
>>>
>>> > guys! Change the subject line : )
>>> >
>>> > From: John Park
>>> > Sent: Saturday, May 17, 2014 5:58 AM
>>> > To: 'List for the Z Magnette Group - North America'
>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive
>>> >
>>> > Another nice car!
>>> >
>>> > From: zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net
>>> > [mailto:zmagnette-bounces at autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Allen Bachelder
>>> > Sent: Friday, May 16, 2014 10:46 PM
>>> > To: List for the Z Magnette Group - North America
>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive
>>> >
>>> > Hey, it's gorgeous - and it has... (count 'em) FOUR doors! And to
>>> boot,
>>> I'm gonna guess it's a flat-head six. The famous slant-six was still a
>>> few
>>> years off - think it came out in the '60 Valiant. But the old flathead
>>> served, at least as an option, all Chrysler products from about 1932
>>> until
>>> 1960 and labored on in a number of other applications for nearly another
>>> 20
>>> years. My first car was a '37 Plymouth. At a purchase price of $70 it
>>> didn't quite look like this one, but I loved it until I seriously
>>> redlined
>>> it in first coming home from school one day. It still ran...
>>> >
>>> > Allen
>>> > ****************************************************************
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>>> >
>>> > <image001.jpg>
>>> >
>>> > On May 16, 2014, at 4:57 PM, David F. Darby wrote:
>>> >
>>> >
>>> > Hello Allen,
>>> >
>>> > >Oh man - a first-year Exner Mopar!
>>> >
>>> > >David, is your Plymouth like this one? These were really timeless
>>> > >designs. I'd love to have one,
>>> >
>>> > Close, but that?s a Belvedere hardtop; mine is a Savoy four-door post.
>>> Here it is under the locust. I suppose Virgil Exner and Gerald Palmer
>>> had a
>>> lot in common.
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
>>> > Subject: Re: [Zmagnette] Slightly OT-Carpet adhesive <image002.jpg>
>>> >
>>> > On May 16, 2014, at 3:46 PM, David F. Darby wrote:
>>> >
>>> > Not really OT, as it is generic, but I am fixing to install a new
>>> carpet
>>> kit in my dear old 1955 Plymouth Savoy (another staid old sedan/saloon).
>>> >
>>> > I?m wondering if any of you have a favoured carpet adhesive or protocol
>>> you might suggest. I?ve just had very limited experience and I don?t
>>> want to
>>> botch it up.
>>> >
>>> > I have a nice (although lightweight) loop carpet kit in two pieces
>>> (fore
>>> and aft) with bound edges and an attached pressed felt-like backing. I?m
>>> thinking I don?t want to weld it down and I?ll probably have to do a lot
>>> of
>>> fussing to get it all into place. Any suggestions as to brand or type of
>>> adhesive you?ve had good results with? Or does it need anything at all?
>>> >
>>> > Thanks for any help.
>>> >
>>> > Cheers,
>>> >
>>> > David
>>> >
>>> >
>>> >
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