For now, here's some details about addressing errors, content errors will be covered next. And these days there are more and more folks somehow managing to get on the lists who have no idea how email, computer networking and such all work. Some of the restrictions and policies may seem to cumbersome and odd to the novice, but trust me, I've been doing this for decades, there is a good reason somewhere behind it all.
You didn't send it to the list.
So, to begin with, make sure you are sending the message to the right
place, something like list-name@autox.team.net. A simple reply may not
work, depending on your mailer. The reply address may not be the list
posting address. This is done as a preventive measure. Suppose that
Ichabod Burris Kloolys gets a break from his kumquat bleaching job down
at the plant, and heads off to bake in the desert sun for a week. He
sets up a program to respond to incoming mails with a canned reply. Now,
suppose that the mail headers from the list set the reply address to the
list. List member Orville Oversteer sends a message to the list about
his new teflon lined muffler trunnions. The message gets sent to the
list. The vacation responder set up by our hero ibkloolys@kumquat.com
sends back to the list a quick note about him being out of the office.
So then the mail server at autox.team.net gets the reply, addressed to
the list, so it sends it to the list. The vacation responder that
ibkloolys@kumquat.com set up sends back to the list a quick note about
him being out of the office. The mail server at autox.team.net gets the
reply, and sends it to the list. The vacation responder that
ibkloolys@kumquat.com set up sends back to the list a quick note about
him being out of the office. The mail server at autox.team.net gets the
reply, and sends it to the list. The vacation responder .... I'm sure
that most of you get the idea by now. So make sure you are replying to
the proper address if you'd like folks to see your note.
You aren't on the list.
Another major reason your mail does not get sent out is because you aren't on the list. As an anti-spam measure, only list members are allowed to post to the lists here. Sure, you may be getting the messages, but majordomo has no idea who you are. Usually this is the result of sending in a subscribe command from one place, and then posting a submission from another place. Often this situation occurs because people send majordomo commands like
subscribe mtm maybe_I_am@this.domain
which is not quite right, because their mailer says they are ax456-ooZ@td.com, the maybe_I_am@this.domain is just shorthand that only sort of works. Things would be slick if they would have just sent in the command
subscribe mtm
and let the majordomo program figure out their address. This
address mismatch can also cause troubles in
trying to unsubscribe from lists. If you try to unsubscribe and
keep getting the "you are not a member" reply, chances are you need to
send majordomo
the command 'unsubscribe name_of_list your_old_address'
which end
You can also try to use the which command to try to find out what address majordomo has for you if it isn't obvious by doing a search for some portion of your address. If you think you might be subscribed as frobble@froggle.com, you might try
which frob end
and see what majordomo sends back.
This members-only policy also comes into play when various
vociferous posters send a message to each and every list they think
might have some interest in their missive. Poster-1 sends a message to
Team.Net lists A,B,C,D and some others on various commercial servers.
Poster-2, who reads it on lists B and C, sends a reply, which only goes
to lists B and C. Poster-1 responds, his mail goes to lists A,B, C and
D. Lists B and C see the original message, Poster-2's reply and
Poster-1's response. Folks on lists A or D scratch their heads in
wonder, since they saw the original message and the response from
Poster-1, but never did see non-member Poster-2's message in between.
Think before typing in all those list addresses on the 'To: ' line, or
at least look at it and see if your mail is going
to the right place.
You didn't edit your reply.
When replying to a message, a fair number of mail programs stupidly include the entire original automatically as part of the reply. And most folks are quite happy to let it be so, rather than just quoting the relevant sentence or two in their reply. So instead of a simple, straightforward response like this:
From: aware@smart.host To: list@server.net Subject: Re: What color is your car? Mine is redWe see things like
From: klooless@diploma.mill.edu To: list@server.net Subject: Re: What color is your car? Mine is red >>>>> Mine is yellow >>>>> blah blah blah >>>> Mine is black >>>> blah blah blah >>> Mine is green >>> blah blah blah >> Mine is orange >> blah blah blah > Mine is blue > blah blah blahA ton of stuff that has no need to be in the reply is included, simply because the responder has no idea how to work their email.
The "death trailer" was added to most of the autox.team.net lists due
to the fact that some lists had over 80% of the bits they were pushing
along the wire being stuff people had already seen, and had no need to
see again. The analogy I used was it was like buying a 6 pack of your
favorite beverage, and getting one can of fresh, 5 cans of, uh, used
beverage. So some simple filters were put in place to reduce the waste.
There are lots of lists, and about 4 to 5 millions messages go out
every month to around 15,000 addresses all over the world. All that
useless quoting really adds up in congestion on the network line in and
out of the server, archive sizes being much larger than they need to be,
the indexing prgrams for the searchable web search having to do a lot
extra work both in the initial indexing of repetitive paragraphs and
performing searches for the user. I mean, how useful is it to return
the default limit of 50 matches if 49 of them are the same paragraph?
There is no real reason to include the complete text below one's
message. Quite often the subject line alone is sufficient context,
sometimes you may need to include a sentence or two to provide proper
references to your reply. I really doubt there are cases where one
needs to include full headers, signatures, and complete texts of the
original in replies.
Even with the death trailer, you still get people who for some reason
think that 'Edit your replies' means "send as much extra useless stuff
as you wish to bog down the server, the network and overfill peoples'
mailboxes so mjb has more admin work to do and just take out the few
added lines."
If for some reason you are using Microsoft's Virus Spreading Wizard,
aka Outlook, in the Tools -> Options menu you can change the setting
to NOT include the entire orginal message in your reply. Other mail
programs should have similar settings, check your documentation.
I know you can't legislate common sense and the courtesy to show some
respect for the thousands of other subscribers on the many team.net
lists, but being an optimist at heart, I try anyway.
The message was too long.
An additional attempt to cut down on the strain caused by useless
quoting, as well as to block various virus files and such that manage to
sneak past other filters is the limit on message size. Messages
which exceed this size limit are shuffled off to the administrator mail,
and eventually I get around to forwarding them on.
Mailman Interface for some other lists