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Re: Letter from Down Under - Part 1

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Subject: Re: Letter from Down Under - Part 1
From: Damien Haas <damienh@defcen.gov.au>
Date: Fri, 12 Feb 1999 11:11:57 +1100
It always irritates me when people slam the P76, but add the rider that
'the engine was OK though'. If you compared it to the direct
competition, Valiant, Falcon and Kingswood - the P76 is ahead in every
category from engineering to handling etc. Dont just rely on 'hearsay'
and vague memories, go and DRIVE the others. The Valiant was a PIG, the
Kingswood was OK, the Falcon was OK. The P76 was a brand new design, and
did experience some early teething problems - yet it managed to win
'Wheels' magazine Car Of The Year. Because it was simply THAT GOOD. Im
not going to drone on about this - I hear P76 slams all the time - as
you do when you drive a classic car every day instead of polishing yr
collection on the weekends and driving a Nissan 6.5 days a week. 

Damien Haas




Gregory72@aol.com wrote:
> 
>         Kurt Schley of the MGB V8 Newsletter was kind enough to put me in 
>contact
> with a couple from Australia with a vast knowledge of the P76\Buick\Rover V8.
> Like it or not, this is what they have to say.  It's long, but interesting.
> I'll keep them annonymous for now.
> 
> Greg
> 
> ----------------------------------------------------------------
> Hi Greg
>         (We) are long standing car enthusiasts.  We were in fact in our late 
>twenties
> when the P38 (Oops, I mean P76, well it was only half a car) was launched.
>         I am English and as a young man I had the pleasure of seeing better 
>times for
> BMC when they still made cars of quality.  By trade, I am a motor mechanic and
> I had the good fortune to do my time on Jaguars.  Once again when Jaguar was
> Jaguar and plastic was a new word.  (My wife) is Hungarian and as cars were
> only for "Party" members in post war communist Hungary, (her) car involvement
> did not start until her family jumped the border and made it to Australia.
>         Now before we condemn Leyland, it might be best if we tell you two 
>things.
> Firstly, I have an evil sense of humor, so please do not be offended at some
> of my remarks.  Secondly, I am very old fashioned and very much against
> change.  I seriously believe we have come too far too quick and we will pay
> the price.  Computers are of course on my pet hate list.  As for the Net, well
> I believe the world governments should band together and ban it.
>         We were, therefore horrified when we saw that you had been 
>communicating with
> Kurt by e-mail instead of the correct "snail mail" as followers of the web
> call it.  We knew if we wrote to Kurt and asked for your address then he would
> have to e-mail you.  Not wishing to be a bad influence and encourage him, we
> decided to accept a friends offer and e-mailed you.  You will realize that
> this is "against the grain" for us and therefore this is twice we have e-
> mailed you.  Being the first and last time.  From now on, it's strictly snail
> mail.
>         Now to business.  Kurt has exchanged letters and information with us 
>for
> several years.  We have learnt an immense amount from both Kurt and his MG V8
> Newsletter.  In turn, we have relayed onto Kurt our limited knowledge of the
> P76 and performance engineering.  All of which he has no doubt relayed to you
> as it would fit on a postage stamp.
>         Basically, we have taken a serous look at the P76-Buick 350 combo.  
>However,
> it would, in our opinion, be a torque engine and this does not suit our
> application.  Plus we had very serious concerns with regards to reliability.
>         With regards to ourselves, we are not "one eyed" and an assortment of 
>cars
> fill our motor shed.  However, Rovers and in particular the little P6B are our
> principle love.  The P6B started life as the P6 or Rover 2000 in 1963.  In
> early 1965, Rover obtained the rights from Buick to build the all alloy 215
> and it became the Rover 3500.  Then in 1968 a reworked Rover 2000 now fitted
> with the alloy V8 was released as the 3500 or P6B.  A year earlier Rover also
> reworked their big three liter saloon, known as the P5, to become the three
> and a half liter or P5B.  The "B" as you may have guessed is for "Buick".
>         Also in 1967, Rover Cars, England's finest independent, had the 
>misfortune to
> be forced into being swallowed up by "Leyland", a British disaster second to
> none.
>         Now turning to the P76.  At the time of the Leyland take over, Rover 
>had a
> new big car (midsize in the USA) on the drawing board.  Leyland had also
> rolled Jaguar and it was felt that the new Rover would be strong competition
> for the XJ6 Series One, so Rover was forced to shelve it.
>         Rover also built a very snappy V8 mid-engined sports car, which had 
>huge
> possibilities.  Likewise, Leyland forced its abandonment to protect the Jaguar
> E-Type.  Meanwhile down under, Australia was moving to midsize cars.  The
> General had introduced an all-new big-bodied Holden to challenge Ford's new
> big Falcon, while Chrysler fought back with an all new big bulbous Valiant.
> The Leyland line up was typical of everything Leyland did, it was pathetic.  A
> new car was needed quickly, before the big three put Leyland completely out of
> business.
>         It is said that Leyland, in England, sent over the plans for the 
>proposed new
> big Rover to Leyland Australia to form the basis for a new big car for
> Australia.  There are however many different stories about the birth of the
> P76 and interestingly no one person seems to want to own up and admit
> responsibility.
>         If the original plans were the P8 Rover then in true Leyland 
>tradition the
> Australian division drained every bit of goodness out of the design to make it
> "suitable" for Australian conditions and production.  It should be said,
> however, that the P76 had possibilities and a lot of interesting features.
> Unfortunately, Leyland Australia got it wrong.  Personally, because Leyland
> had such a bad track record, I believe that if Ford, Chrysler or the General
> had built the P76 and developed it properly, it could have been a good car.
> Unfortunately, it was an absolute disaster.
>         Our concern in this letter is the P76 motor and not the car.  
>However, to
> understand the motor you need to have a basic understanding of the chaotic
> Leyland Company and the unfortunate P76.  The formation the British Leyland is
> also not a concern.  What is a concern is the fact that they had the world at
> their feet initially.  A mixed blend of misfortune and stupidity saw the whole
> thing turn into a massive disaster.  Many fine car manufacturers were either
> lost or badly crippled by it.


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