We made 225 EASY, then up to 235 - 240 and that was the end for a long time,
then I got to 252 but it was almost useless, it was so peaky. But there is a
lot of power there as long as you are ready to pay the price.
I suppose now with a custom crank and carillo's we could take a few more
chances and get to some power up around 270 but I wouldn't want to bet the
rancho on it. With a few other things I've learned over the years I think a
lot more could be done. But that was 35 years ago and hopefully I've become a
bit smarter since then.
----- Original Message -----
From: Terry and Cindy
To: 'kas kastner' ; greg ; Charly Mitchel
Cc: FOT LIST
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 7:36 PM
Subject: RE: re:TR6PI
I would have to concur with kas. This must have been a very optimistic
dyno.
From my tests, the TR6 heads do not flow sufficiently to make that sort
of power under any set of rules that resembles "production", ie factory
carbs and manifolds
Even when we downdrafted a late spec 2500 head, we could only just flow
sufficient air to make that power with special valves in place.
In any case, one needs to see the revs and torque curve to make sense of
the dyno output.
Terry O'Beirne
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-----Original Message-----
From: kas kastner [mailto:kaskas@cox.net]
Sent: Friday, 10 June 2005 11:54 AM
To: greg; Charly Mitchel
Cc: FOT LIST
Subject: Re: re:TR6PI
I seriously question 235 BHP from a 6 Tr engine with just a pair of
1.75"
Strombergs.
----- Original Message -----
From: greg
To: Charly Mitchel
Cc: FOT LIST
Sent: Thursday, June 09, 2005 5:28 PM
Subject: re:TR6PI
Sovern should note that some time after '69 the carbureted cars
were
put into D prod where they ran with the likes of 2 liter 911s, Datsun
SU
carbed roadsters, etc. The PI cars were C prod and ran with 914-6s,
and
Solex carbed Datsuns, and in '70 the 240 Z. I am sure Kas could shed
some light on the time line. There is some logic to allowing TR6s to
run
Webers if they are going to have to compete with C Prod type cars as
the
PI system was never widely available in the States. Unfortunately, the
Webers are visible. I am sure that all of those early 911s never run
the
2.7 - 3.2 liter motors and the Zs never run the 3 liter diesel crank.
Just for the record, back in 1983 I saw the Andial dyno sheets for
a
front running 911 2 liter at Riverside. It made 217 hp new and 214 hp
after 2 seasons. A Stromberg carbed TR6 of the time made 225-230 hp.
The
911 weighed 1980 and the 6 weighed 2180 as I recall. 1983 production
rules were pretty much the same as the '69 rules regarding engine
mods.
Interestingly a modern 240Z E prod Rebello engine will make 245hp
under
the limited prep rules with 2 SUs. These rules are more restrictive
than
the '69 rules.
Road race sanctioning bodies seem to always try to equalize
competition by adjusting for the same hp to weight figures within a
given class. This approach ALWAYS leaves the advantage to the light
car
because of slower braking and corner speeds of the heavier car. It
gets
even worse if everybody is on the same rubber. Current SCCA EP is a
glaring example. Almost everybody is on the same 15x7 rim with weights
ranging from 1530# for the 1622cc Elva to 2390# for the 260Z.
Enough ranting. I've had too much caffeine.
Greg Lund
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