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They way I saw it:
After short cutting a corner you have to actively let the other pass.
Hamilton was ON throttle all the time and Raikonen had to active =
overtake
him which took time and way to La Source.
>From my point of view the punishment was okay.
If Hamilton wouldn=92t have shortcut and stayed behind Raikonen then =
the
Ferrari would never had give up lead to the next corner.
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Cheers
Chris
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Von: fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] Im
Auftrag von Bill Babcock
Gesendet: Donnerstag, 11. September 2008 18:19
An: David W. Riddle
Cc: fot@autox.team.net
Betreff: Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online petition
=20
I wouldn't be too happy about having FIA stewards on my side, unless I =
was
the recipient of their fines. There just isn't enough differential speed
between these cars, especially in that corner, for that argument to =
hold
water. My hero Kimi squeezed Hamilton off the corner--very clear in the
video. That's OK, nice tactical move. Hamilton lifts, Kimi goes by, then
Hamilton crosses behind him (no inertia remaining there) and passes on =
the
other side.=20
=20
There isn't a racing organization in existence that would consistently =
call
that an illegal pass--especially the FIA. It's one of those decisions =
where
the stewards insert their authority into the results. Despicable.=20
=20
Not that I'm passionate about F1 or anything...
=20
On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:07 AM, David W. Riddle wrote:
I watched the race too. How does someone have "inertia" to overtake=20
a faster vehicle doesn't that defy the laws of physics?
Approaching La Source Kimi had more speed and better position. The=20
issue is not one of inertia but rather the argument that if Lewis had=20
not shortcut the chicane would he have been that close to Kimi for=20
the run to La Source to try and outbrake him.
Try watching the videos then you won't have to rely on your faulty :)
memory.
You may agree with the stewards but three time world champs Lauda and=20
Stewart don't. I bet the FIA overturns the stewards.
At 08:51 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote:
I didn't ignore it, I didn't even watch it. I did however watch the =
race
and recall quite clearly that Hamilton lifted only enough to let Kimi =
creep
back in front of him without giving up the inertia that got him in front =
in
the first place. It was that inertia that allowed him to immediately =
regain
the lead and that in my opinion was why the move was illegal. Clearly =
the
Stewards agree with my assessment.
=20
Joe
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
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color:#1F497D'>They way I saw it:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>After short cutting a corner you have to actively let the =
other
pass.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>Hamilton was ON throttle all the time and Raikonen had to =
active
overtake him which took time and way to La Source.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>From my point of view the punishment was =
okay.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal><span lang=3DEN-US =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";
color:#1F497D'>If Hamilton =A0wouldn’t have shortcut and stayed =
behind
Raikonen then the Ferrari would never had give up lead to the next =
corner.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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color:#1F497D'>Cheers<o:p></o:p></span></p>
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fot-bounces@autox.team.net [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>Im =
Auftrag
von </b>Bill Babcock<br>
<b>Gesendet:</b> Donnerstag, 11. September 2008 18:19<br>
<b>An:</b> David W. Riddle<br>
<b>Cc:</b> fot@autox.team.net<br>
<b>Betreff:</b> Re: [Fot] OT- F1 at Spa online =
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>I wouldn't be too happy about having FIA stewards =
on my
side, unless I was the recipient of their fines. There just =
isn't
enough differential speed between these cars, especially in that corner,
for that argument to hold water. My hero Kimi
squeezed Hamilton off the corner--very clear in the video. =
That's OK,
nice tactical move. Hamilton lifts, Kimi goes by, then Hamilton crosses =
behind
him (no inertia remaining there) and passes on the other =
side. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>There isn't a racing organization in existence that =
would
consistently call that an illegal pass--especially the FIA. It's one of =
those
decisions where the stewards insert their authority into the results.
Despicable. <o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Not that I'm passionate about F1 or =
anything...<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><o:p> </o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>On Sep 11, 2008, at 9:07 AM, David W. Riddle =
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal><br>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>I watched the race too. How does someone have
"inertia" to overtake <br>
a faster vehicle doesn't that defy the laws of physics?<br>
<br>
Approaching La Source Kimi had more speed and better position. The <br>
issue is not one of inertia but rather the argument that if Lewis had =
<br>
not shortcut the chicane would he have been that close to Kimi for <br>
the run to La Source to try and outbrake him.<br>
<br>
Try watching the videos then you won't have to rely on your faulty :) =
memory.<br>
<br>
You may agree with the stewards but three time world champs Lauda and =
<br>
Stewart don't. I bet the FIA overturns the stewards.<br>
<br>
At 08:51 AM 9/11/2008, you wrote:<br>
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<o:p></o:p></p>
<p class=3DMsoNormal>I didn't ignore it, I didn't even watch it. I =
did
however watch the race<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>and recall quite clearly that Hamilton lifted only =
enough to
let Kimi creep<o:p></o:p></p>
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that got
him in front in<o:p></o:p></p>
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allowed him
to immediately regain<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>the lead and that in my opinion was why the move =
was
illegal. Clearly the<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3DMsoNormal>Stewards agree with my assessment.<o:p></o:p></p>
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