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The oil cooler failure was most likely caused by incorrect routing of =
the oil flow caused by an oil cooler line adaptor that routes the oil =
through the oil cooler before it goes past the oil pressure relief =
valve. It must go past the oil pressure relief valve first so that the =
valve will open and reduce the pressure when the engine & oil is very =
cold & thick. When it goes through the cooler first, the cold oil =
pressure has "surges" that travel through the lines & pressurze the =
cooler to levels most likely exceeding 200 psi! A number or years ago =
we blew up 3 coolers in a row in similar circumstances before we figured =
out what the problem was!. =20
We now have proper oil cooler adaptor blocks available that route =
the oil correctly so this will not happen. They are tapped for 1/2 pipe =
threads so adaptors for whatever lines you are using can be fitted. The =
plates are machines from billets of 7075-T6 aluminum. They sell for =
$90.00 without fittings. The oil lines exit the block to the top and =
rear. The cleanest installation is done using one 90 degree hose end and =
one 120 degree hose end, then running the hoses forward along the oil =
pan rail on the left side of the engine.=20
=
Greg Solow =20
=
The Engine Room
=
Santa Cruz, Ca.
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831 429-1800
----- Original Message -----=20
From: Greg - Lunker Hilyer=20
To: BillDentin@aol.com ; Friends of Triumph=20
Sent: Monday, September 15, 2008 10:28 PM
Subject: Re: [Fot] Beaten by equipment
Oddly, turn 1 is the same as before [so I've ben told - never been =
there before] as is 2- 7 I think. Logical place to call turn one is =
currently called turn 12. It was more than a bit confusing as they gave =
the green at 1 and the checkered before 12 of 13. And on different sides =
of the track, apparently depending on if the person with the flag was =
right or left handed I guess. Still flat-out thru 1-3 if I ignored the =
vibration. Turn 7 [I think] is a 300 degree right that looks great on =
paper but is actually a bit of a bore. Still a very fast track but not =
particularly challenging in my opinion - 2 sessions and I knew it as =
well as the first 2 years on my home track of Sandia.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM=20
On Sep 15, 2008, at 7:27 PM, BillDentin@aol.com wrote:
Greg...
Had you ever raced BRAINERD before? They just re-configured that =
track, and (in my opinion) lost their signature corner (old Turn ONE, =
advertised as wide open in ANY car). I've not raced the new track yet, =
and I am interested in comments concerning the new foot print.
Bill Dentinger
In a message dated 9/15/2008 7:57:35 P.M. Central Daylight Time, =
lunkercars@earthlink.net writes:
Hello all,
Beaten by equipment...
My previous posting from Brainard quoted the common wisdom "you =20
gotta' finish to win". Well, I was reminded that you gotta' start =
to =20
finish. Sunday at Brainard shaped up to be what I would call =
"ideal =20
conditions"... cold, wet and basically miserable enough that only =
fools/idiots/& the die-hards like me [3 in 1] would dare go out - =
perfect. Not sure if excessive oil pressure from the 40ish temp on =
my =20
20W50 caused it [doubtful] or if it was just it's time, but upon =20
startup for the sunday race the oil cooler chose to rupture in the =
=20
pits and that was the end of that. Could have by-passed it for the =
=20
next race but it was canceled due to conditions too perfect for me =
to =20
even imagine. Oh well - finding out that the top 4 finishers =
behind =20
me on saturday are all ice racers boosted my ego enough and =
knowing =20
that they were all gunning for me might not have made sunday quite =
as =20
enjoyable as saturday.
Interesting to note that that although I do buy better that 50% of =
my =20
perts from Moss, 100% of my failures have been from parts they =
have =20
supplied. Once again, my cheepo nature has proven to be false =20
economy and bitten me in the butt.
Now on to good vibrations and bad vibrations. The Beach Boys told =
us =20
about the good ones but some aren't and never will be. First time =
I =20
ever felt the bad one was at Watkins Glen. It may well have =
existed =20
before but my car has never been on a track that fast. So far as =
my =20
butt and brain can tell, it doesn't come on until somewhere beyond =
=20
100mph. After getting the driveshaft straightened last week I =
thought =20
I had surely got to the problem. First couple sessions at Brainard =
=20
felt good but that proved to be a combination of wishful thinking =
and =20
not going fast enough. It's still there. For a time at The Glen =
and =20
again at Brainard I almost convinced myself that it was 4th gear =
only =20
but I am now pretty sure that it is only dependent on road speed - =
=20
i.e., it's felt near redline in 3rd and only gets worse as 4th =20
progresses. Scared the speed right out of me the first time I felt =
it =20
come on, but after many teeth grinding laps with nothing coming =
thru =20
the block [convinced it's not engine related], the trans. case, or =
=20
thru the floor, I've lived with it thru the last two races. =
Doesn't =20
mean I like it and that combined with a bum oil cooler, moody =
starter =20
[thanks again Moss Motors] and exorbitant entry fees, will likely =
keep me from going to Road America.
Any Ideas? The drive-shaft straightening didn't seem to do =
anything. =20
I've run it on 3 different sets of tires and wheels, so that's not =
=20
it. U-joints are fine [by all appearances], can't find any slop in =
=20
the trans. output shaft or the diff, input [pinion] shaft nor any =
run-=20
out on the input shaft flange or axles. Defiantly not coming from =
=20
the front as it is not transmitted thru the steering wheel. Rear =
axle =20
bearings seem to be in fine shape.
The engine is fresh and in good balance. The trans. is new to me =20
[close ratio in a TR6 case] but no recognized problems from the =20
previous FoT owner. I have given the original, stock, open. 3.70 =20
differential a hard life since it's early retirement but I still =20
can't see how that would figure in. The only unknown is my frozen =
axle shafts... As part of my recent "freshening", I sent the crank =
=20
shaft [more on that later], stub axles, front hubs, rear hubs and =
half shafts to Controlled Thermal Processing =
[http://metal-wear.com] =20
to be cryogenically frozen [-300f/+300f in a 68 hour process]. =
Being =20
unknown voodoo, I'm creating a scenario where the axle[s] have a =
bow =20
in it [them] causing a imbalance, causing the vibration but not =20
detectable from the flange end - not very likely but I'm grasping =
at =20
straws here [oh yea, I'm still in the mid-west so it must be =
corn].
Please believe me, at this point I am willing to consider any =
ideas =20
regardless how far fetched. And maybe one [some] of you know what =
I'm =20
feeling and have the spot-on answer.
Greg "Lunker" Hilyer
TR4 #314
Albuquerque NM=20
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href=3D"mailto:lunkercars@earthlink.net";>Greg=20
- Lunker Hilyer</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>To:</B> <A =
title=3DBillDentin@aol.com=20
href=3D"mailto:BillDentin@aol.com";>BillDentin@aol.com</A> ; <A=20
title=3Dfot@autox.team.net href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net";>Friends =
of=20
Triumph</A> </DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Sent:</B> Monday, September 15, =
2008 10:28=20
PM</DIV>
<DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial"><B>Subject:</B> Re: [Fot] Beaten by=20
equipment</DIV>
<DIV><BR></DIV>Oddly, turn 1 is the same as before [so I've ben told - =
never=20
been there before] as is 2- 7 I think. Logical place to call turn one =
is=20
currently called turn 12. It was more than a bit confusing as they =
gave the=20
green at 1 and the checkered before 12 of 13. And on different sides =
of the=20
track, apparently depending on if the person with the flag was right =
or left=20
handed I guess. Still flat-out thru 1-3 if I ignored the vibration. =
Turn 7 [I=20
think] is a 300 degree right that looks great on paper but is actually =
a bit=20
of a bore. Still a very fast track but not particularly =
challenging in my=20
opinion - 2 sessions and I knew it as well as the first 2 years =
on my=20
home track of Sandia.
<DIV><BR></DIV>
<DIV>Greg "Lunker" Hilyer</DIV>
<DIV>TR4 #314</DIV>
<DIV>Albuquerque NM <BR>
<DIV>
<DIV>On Sep 15, 2008, at 7:27 PM, <A=20
href=3D"mailto:BillDentin@aol.com";>BillDentin@aol.com</A> =
wrote:</DIV><BR=20
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<DIV>Greg...</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Had you ever raced BRAINERD before? They just =
re-configured that=20
track, and (in my opinion) lost their signature corner (old Turn =
ONE,=20
advertised as wide open in ANY car). I've not raced the new =
track yet,=20
and I am interested in comments concerning the new foot print.</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>Bill Dentinger</DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV> </DIV>
<DIV>
<DIV>In a message dated 9/15/2008 7:57:35 P.M. Central Daylight =
Time, <A=20
=
href=3D"mailto:lunkercars@earthlink.net";>lunkercars@earthlink.net</A>=20
writes:</DIV>
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size=3D2>Hello all,<BR>Beaten by equipment...<BR>My previous =
posting from=20
Brainard quoted the common wisdom "you <BR>gotta' finish to =
win".=20
Well, I was reminded that you gotta' start to <BR>finish. =
Sunday at=20
Brainard shaped up to be what I would call "ideal =
<BR>conditions"...=20
cold, wet and basically miserable enough that only =20
<BR>fools/idiots/& the die-hards like me [3 in 1] would dare =
go out=20
- <BR>perfect. Not sure if excessive oil pressure from the =
40ish=20
temp on my <BR>20W50 caused it [doubtful] or if it was just =
it's=20
time, but upon <BR>startup for the sunday race the oil =
cooler chose=20
to rupture in the <BR>pits and that was the end of that. =
Could have=20
by-passed it for the <BR>next race but it was canceled due =
to=20
conditions too perfect for me to <BR>even imagine. Oh well - =
finding=20
out that the top 4 finishers behind <BR>me on saturday are =
all ice=20
racers boosted my ego enough and knowing <BR>that they were =
all=20
gunning for me might not have made sunday quite as =
<BR>enjoyable as=20
saturday.<BR>Interesting to note that that although I do buy =
better that=20
50% of my <BR>perts from Moss, 100% of my failures have been =
from=20
parts they have <BR>supplied. Once again, my cheepo nature =
has=20
proven to be false <BR>economy and bitten me in the=20
butt.<BR>Now on to good vibrations and bad vibrations. The Beach =
Boys told=20
us <BR>about the good ones but some aren't and never will =
be. First=20
time I <BR>ever felt the bad one was at Watkins Glen. It may =
well=20
have existed <BR>before but my car has never been on a track =
that=20
fast. So far as my <BR>butt and brain can tell, it doesn't =
come on=20
until somewhere beyond <BR>100mph. After getting the =
driveshaft=20
straightened last week I thought <BR>I had surely got to the =
problem. First couple sessions at Brainard <BR>felt good but =
that=20
proved to be a combination of wishful thinking and <BR>not =
going=20
fast enough. It's still there. For a time at The Glen and =
<BR>again=20
at Brainard I almost convinced myself that it was 4th gear =
only =20
<BR>but I am now pretty sure that it is only dependent on road =
speed=20
- <BR>i.e., it's felt near redline in 3rd and only gets =
worse as=20
4th <BR>progresses. Scared the speed right out of me the =
first time=20
I felt it <BR>come on, but after many teeth grinding laps =
with=20
nothing coming thru <BR>the block [convinced it's not engine =
related], the trans. case, or <BR>thru the floor, I've lived =
with it=20
thru the last two races. Doesn't <BR>mean I like it and that =
combined with a bum oil cooler, moody starter <BR>[thanks =
again Moss=20
Motors] and exorbitant entry fees, will likely <BR>keep me =
from=20
going to Road America.<BR>Any Ideas? The drive-shaft straightening =
didn't=20
seem to do anything. <BR>I've run it on 3 different sets of =
tires=20
and wheels, so that's not <BR>it. U-joints are fine [by all=20
appearances], can't find any slop in <BR>the trans. output =
shaft or=20
the diff, input [pinion] shaft nor any run- <BR>out on the =
input=20
shaft flange or axles. Defiantly not coming from <BR>the =
front as it=20
is not transmitted thru the steering wheel. Rear axle =
<BR>bearings=20
seem to be in fine shape.<BR>The engine is fresh and in good =
balance. The=20
trans. is new to me <BR>[close ratio in a TR6 case] but no=20
recognized problems from the <BR>previous FoT owner. I have =
given=20
the original, stock, open. 3.70 <BR>differential a hard life =
since=20
it's early retirement but I still <BR>can't see how that =
would=20
figure in. The only unknown is my frozen <BR>axle shafts... =
As part=20
of my recent "freshening", I sent the crank <BR>shaft [more =
on that=20
later], stub axles, front hubs, rear hubs and <BR>half =
shafts =20
to Controlled Thermal Processing [<A=20
href=3D"http://metal-wear.com";>http://metal-wear.com</A>] =
<BR>to be=20
cryogenically frozen [-300f/+300f in a 68 hour process]. =
Being =20
<BR>unknown voodoo, I'm creating a scenario where the axle[s] have =
a=20
bow <BR>in it [them] causing a imbalance, causing the =
vibration but=20
not <BR>detectable from the flange end - not very likely but =
I'm=20
grasping at <BR>straws here [oh yea, I'm still in the =
mid-west so it=20
must be corn].<BR>Please believe me, at this point I am willing to =
consider any ideas <BR>regardless how far fetched. And maybe =
one=20
[some] of you know what I'm <BR>feeling and have the spot-on =
answer.<BR><BR>Greg "Lunker" Hilyer<BR>TR4 #314<BR>Albuquerque NM=20
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