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Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

To: "'Scott Janzen'" <sjanzen@me.com>, "'Jason Ostrowski'" <jason@multivintage.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure
From: "Peter Vucinic" <pvucinic@netspace.net.au>
Date: Tue, 14 Jul 2015 04:32:27 +1000
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Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.

I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at highway
speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. 

With the diff 'tucked up' and limited air flow. You are starting with a
problem before you start!

 

 

"You can Make a Small Fortune From Motor Racing. As long as You Started With
A Lage Fortune!"

Kind Regards

Peter Vucinic

TR4 - TR7 V8 - Spitfire MkII

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From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] On Behalf Of Scott Janzen
Sent: Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM
To: Jason Ostrowski
Cc: 'Friends of Triumph' Triumph
Subject: Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential failure

 

thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through the gears, and there's now a
steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill turn, where I was in second gear
at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then letting it slow me down as I
approached the sharp right to the uphill climb.  I'm sure that did not do
the diff any good.

 

Somehow the idea of putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very
"vintage".

 

Question - has anyone checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a
difference?  I do run Redline 75-85 gear oil.

 

I will report back and send carnage photos when I get it out.

 

On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:

 

I agree that it is consumable. 

A change to something different would seem to lead to a redesign of all the
parts that mate to it and that could turn into a whole new set of other
related projects. 

Likely a costly and complex endeavor to say the least.

Knowing you, I assume you are using a quality oil already as Steve
recommends.

I notice you are racing faster lately and seem to be doing great with the
car.

 

Begin Public Service announcement to all FoT...

 

That being said, (especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind
yourself regularly about how you need to treat the drivetrain.

Perhaps most importantly on this issue is careful driving with a constant
focus to smooth transition between the gears.

And really important is super smooth take-offs.

I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer of all time) at the track with
me most of the time.

He is never afraid to remind me of this.

And does so on a regular basis when I'm leaving the grid.

Even after all these years of coaching he will still often yell at me
through my helmet prior to taking off.

something like....

 "Ride that F$#&%ng clutch baby!!"

or "Easy take off". 

Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be reminded of in a tense moment
taking off to hit the track.

One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all it takes to do damage to the
differential.

I can trace most of my differential failures back to sketchy shift
transitions or abrupt starts...

We all hate to admit that an equipment failure is our own fault but,
speaking for myself, I know it often is.

This was an FoT Public Service Announcement...

Brought to you by Friendly Ghost Racing.

 

Jason Ostrowski

Friendly Ghost Racing 

1969 Triumph GT6+ Racecars   

 

 

On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at 7:01 AM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:

Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race yesterday at Pitt Race.
Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years ago.
Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to something
stronger?  What are other vintage racers doing?

Sent from my mobile device
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D'>Get the oil temp down and use full synthetic.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>I did much testing on my road going TR4 diff. Even a road car, at =
highway speed cruising, the oil temp is 180-200F. =
<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3DMsoNormal><span =
style=3D'font-size:11.0pt;font-family:"Calibri","sans-serif";color:#1F497=
D'>With the diff &#8216;tucked up&#8217; and limited air flow. You are =
starting with a problem before you start!<o:p></o:p></span></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal><span =
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Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] <b>On Behalf Of </b>Scott =
Janzen<br><b>Sent:</b> Tuesday, 14 July 2015 12:20 AM<br><b>To:</b> =
Jason Ostrowski<br><b>Cc:</b> 'Friends of Triumph' =
Triumph<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Gt6 differential =
failure<o:p></o:p></span></p></div></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>thanks, Jason - yes, I was banging through =
the gears, and there's now a steep 150' +/- DROP at this track, downhill =
turn, where I was in second gear at 7,000 RPM, first accelerating, then =
letting it slow me down as I approached the sharp right to the uphill =
climb. &nbsp;I'm sure that did not do the diff any =
good.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Somehow the idea of =
putting a Subaru diff in this car does not feel very =
&quot;vintage&quot;.<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Question - has anyone =
checked the oil temp, and would cooling make a difference? &nbsp;I do =
run Redline 75-85 gear oil.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I will report back and =
send carnage photos when I get it out.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Jul 13, 2015, at 10:12 =
AM, Jason Ostrowski wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I agree that it is =
consumable. <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>A change to something different would seem =
to lead to a redesign of all the parts that mate to it and that could =
turn into a whole new set of other related projects. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Likely a costly and complex =
endeavor&nbsp;to say the least.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Knowing you, I assume you =
are using a quality oil already as Steve =
recommends.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I notice you are racing faster lately and =
seem to be doing great with the car.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Begin Public Service =
announcement to all FoT...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>That being said, =
(especially the faster you go) don't forget to remind yourself regularly =
about how you need to treat the drivetrain.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Perhaps most importantly =
on this issue&nbsp;is careful driving&nbsp;with a constant focus =
to&nbsp;smooth transition between the gears.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>And really important is =
super smooth take-offs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I'm lucky to have John Reed (best GT6 racer =
of all time) at the track with me most of the =
time.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>He&nbsp;is never afraid to remind me of =
this.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>And does so&nbsp;on a regular basis when =
I'm leaving the grid.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Even after all these years of coaching he =
will still often&nbsp;yell at me through my helmet prior to taking =
off.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>something =
like....<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;&quot;Ride that F$#&amp;%ng clutch =
baby!!&quot;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>or &quot;Easy take off&quot;. =
<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Wisdom I'm not afraid to admit I need to be =
reminded of in a tense moment&nbsp;taking off to hit the =
track.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>One slip of the foot or abrupt start is all =
it takes to do damage to the differential.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>I can trace most of my =
differential failures back to&nbsp;sketchy shift transitions or abrupt =
starts...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>We all hate to admit that an equipment =
failure is our own fault but, speaking for myself, I know it often =
is.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>This was an FoT&nbsp;Public Service =
Announcement...<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Brought to you by Friendly Ghost =
Racing.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Jason =
Ostrowski<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>Friendly Ghost =
Racing&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>1969 Triumph GT6+ =
Racecars&nbsp;&nbsp;&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>&nbsp;<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'><o:p>&nbsp;</o:p></p><div><p =
class=3DMsoNormal style=3D'margin-left:36.0pt'>On Sun, Jul 12, 2015 at =
7:01 AM, Scott Janzen &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com"; =
target=3D"_blank">sjanzen@me.com</a>&gt; wrote:<o:p></o:p></p><p =
class=3DMsoNormal =
style=3D'mso-margin-top-alt:0cm;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:12.0pt;mar=
gin-left:36.0pt'>Mine disintegrated in a big way in the last race =
yesterday at Pitt Race. Last one did the same thing about 3-4 years =
ago.<br>Should I just consider this a consumable item, or swap to =
something stronger?&nbsp; What are other vintage racers =
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