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Re: [Fot] Racing rod design

To: Christian Marx <tr4racing@googlemail.com>, "Triumph 'Friends of Triumph" <fot@autox.team.net>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Racing rod design
From: John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com>
Date: Thu, 23 Jul 2015 09:58:39 -0400
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Pauter has been making this design for almost 30 years with zero cold
failures.  If it were a poor design they would have changed it out of
necessity.  According to a Pauter rep., the main reason they started
manufacturing their own rods in the first place was due to the fact that
the H beam and I beam rods they were using couldn=E2=80=99t put up with wha=
t they
were throwing at them with their turbo charged 4cylinder engines.

If you spin a rod bearing, eventually you will break anything.



On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Christian Marx <tr4racing@googlemail.com>
wrote:

> I saw the pictures of Pauter.
> This type has no material were it needs and too much were it doesn't make
> sense.  Maybe for very short rods usable.
> Am 23.07.2015 14:46 schrieb "John Styduhar" <johnstydo@gmail.com>:
>
>> The Pauter design is a cross-beam (an inside-out H beam) not an x-beam
>> and shares H-beam design properties because of this.
>>
>> On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:34 AM, MadMarx <tr4racing@googlemail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>>> Today I had a look to a book called race car design.
>>>
>>> It also contains engines, and as detail rods and their designs. I, H,
>>> blade =E2=80=93 no x-beam (seems they never got the idea that someone c=
ould get the
>>> idea of an x-beam rod)
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> They said that F1 uses I-beam rods because they have the best stiffness
>>> to weight ratio.
>>>
>>> Also German DTM-cars use I-beam rods.
>>>
>>> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Tourenwagen_Masters
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> Cheers
>>>
>>> Chris
>>>
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>>

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<div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><p =
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fa=
mily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-fa=
mily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">Pauter has been making this d=
esign for almost 30 years with zero cold failures.=C2=A0 If it were a poor =
design they would have changed it out of necessity.=C2=A0 According to a Pa=
uter rep., the main reason they started manufacturing their own rods in the=
 first place was due to the fact that the H beam and I beam rods they were =
using couldn=E2=80=99t put up with what they were throwing at them with the=
ir turbo charged 4cylinder engines. =C2=A0=C2=A0</span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-family:&#39;Tim=
es New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-family:Calibri,=
sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">If you spin a rod bearing,=C2=A0</span><sp=
an style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);font-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:1=
4.6666669845581px">eventually you will break anything.=C2=A0</span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-fam=
ily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"color:rgb(31,73,125);fo=
nt-family:Calibri,sans-serif;font-size:14.6666669845581px"><br></span></p><=
/div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu=
, Jul 23, 2015 at 9:49 AM, Christian Marx <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"=
mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googlemail.com=
</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin=
:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><p dir=3D"ltr">I s=
aw the pictures of Pauter.<br>
This type has no material were it needs and too much were it doesn&#39;t ma=
ke sense.=C2=A0 Maybe for very short rods usable. </p><div class=3D"HOEnZb"=
><div class=3D"h5">
<div class=3D"gmail_quote">Am 23.07.2015 14:46 schrieb &quot;John Styduhar&=
quot; &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:johnstydo@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">johnstyd=
o@gmail.com</a>&gt;:<br type=3D"attribution"><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quo=
te" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"=
><div dir=3D"ltr"><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-size:small"><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin:0in 0in 0.0001pt;font-size:12pt;font-f=
amily:&#39;Times New Roman&#39;,serif"><span style=3D"font-size:11pt;font-f=
amily:Calibri,sans-serif;color:rgb(31,73,125)">The Pauter design is a cross=
-beam (an inside-out H beam) not an x-beam and shares H-beam design propert=
ies because of this.=C2=A0<br></span></p></div></div><div class=3D"gmail_ex=
tra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Thu, Jul 23, 2015 at 3:34 AM, MadMar=
x <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tr4racing@googlemail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">tr4racing@googlemail.com</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br><blockquote c=
lass=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;=
padding-left:1ex"><div lang=3D"DE" link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple"><div><div=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Today I h=
ad a look to a book called race car design.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">It also contains =
engines, and as detail rods and their designs. I, H, blade =E2=80=93 no x-b=
eam (seems they never got the idea that someone could get the idea of an x-=
beam rod)<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-U=
S" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-ser=
if&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">They said that F1 uses I-beam =
rods because they have the best stiffness to weight ratio.<u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Al=
so German DTM-cars use I-beam rods.<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Ve=
rdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><a href=3D"https://en.wik=
ipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Tourenwagen_Masters" target=3D"_blank">https://en.=
wikipedia.org/wiki/Deutsche_Tourenwagen_Masters</a><u></u><u></u></span></p=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font=
-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=
=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=
=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1f497d"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span=
 lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Verdana&quot;,&=
quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Cheers<u></u><u></u></span></p><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:=
&quot;Verdana&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d">Chris<u></u><u></=
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