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My first thought when I read =E2=80=9CI have to drive onto the =
trailer=E2=80=9D. I never drive onto the trailer. Learned that the hard =
way. A toasted rally clutch equals five or more winches from Harbor =
Freight, and when the crap hits the fan you don=E2=80=99t have to find =
thirty friends to get your dead lump onto the trailer.=20
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Scott Janzen <sjanzen@me.com> wrote:
>=20
> Agree with the winch. Especially useful for hauling broken cars on. =
One of the best things I did for my trailer.
>=20
> Sent from my mobile device=20
>=20
> On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Spitfire Racing =
wrote:
>=20
> Putting a car on and off a trailer is what winches are made for. =
That=E2=80=99s the stuff that buggers clutches also.=20
> Russ
> =20
> From: Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net =
> Sent: Saturday, October 31, 2015 6:45 PM
> To: Duncan Charlton
> Cc: Mike Piggot (new); FOT list
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Six cylinder cams
> =20
> I can tell you that I already have a GT6 with a good flexible power =
band and good reliability. It lacks quickness however, due in part to =
the TR6 engine which is not highly tuned and I'm sure the gearing could =
be better (3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the highway.) My =
old car is pretty much to the point where I don't want to do anything =
more to it so I want to move on to another project. This time I want to =
build a car that snorts . I do however need to put it on and off the =
trailer and I'm not thrilled about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I =
can't afford to go all out. I'm looking for quickness through the gears =
and good handling.=20
> P.J.=20
> =20
> On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan Charlton =
wrote:
> Larry=E2=80=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose =
of the engine mentioned by the original poster. =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=
=9D might mean different things to different people. Does P. J. want a =
good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower =
figure? Does the motor have the gear set to be able to take advantage =
of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high among his =
priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the =
trailer at the end of every track weekend? Lack of sponsorship and cash =
prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost =
ratio.
>=20
> Duncan
>=20
>=20
> > On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young <cartravel@pobox.com =
> >
> > That is an interesting article, but only speaks to one side of the =
issue. I always say that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM =
range that you're willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to =
a stock TR4 crank which sees >6,000 on a regular basis. Some guys want =
a cam good beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it that =
far. Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have =
power. I don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go all =
the way to race specs. =46rom 1968 on Triumphs were severely detuned to =
pass emissions. Compression ratio and duration and hence cam overlap at =
TDC were reduced. For example, the early TR250/6 had 193 degrees =
duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was about 215 and the early =
PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a street car of this era to =
the original specs. Bumping the compression ratio by a point and =
increasing the duration to something like 210-215 will make the engine =
the way it would have been without emission restrictions. I would not =
feel guilty about polluting the planet, since most of these cars see few =
miles annually and most of the other pollution controls (e.g. ignition =
retard) probably quit working years ago.
> > - Larry
> >
> > On 10/29/2015 7:25 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote:
> >> Cam specs and static CR are interactive. This will give you a =
rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this subject:
> >>
> >> =
http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compatib=
ility =
<http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_compati=
bility>
> >>
> >> Duncan
> >> (Texas)
> >>
> >>
> >
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charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">My first thought when I read =E2=80=9CI have to drive onto =
the trailer=E2=80=9D. I never drive onto the trailer. Learned that the =
hard way. A toasted rally clutch equals five or more winches from Harbor =
Freight, and when the crap hits the fan you don=E2=80=99t have to find =
thirty friends to get your dead lump onto the trailer. <div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Oct 31, 2015, at 4:59 PM, Scott Janzen <<a =
href=3D"mailto:sjanzen@me.com"; class=3D"">sjanzen@me.com</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: =
none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D"">Agree with the winch. =
Especially useful for hauling broken cars on. One of the best things I =
did for my trailer.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my mobile =
device </div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">On Oct 31, 2015, at 7:24 PM, Spitfire Racing <<a =
href=3D"mailto:spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">spitfire_racing@twcny.rr.com</a>> wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div style=3D"font-family: Helvetica; font-size: 18px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; orphans: auto; text-align: start; text-indent: =
0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; widows: auto; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"WordSection1" style=3D"page: WordSection1;"><div style=3D"margin:=
0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', =
serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, =
sans-serif; color: rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Putting a car on and =
off a trailer is what winches are made for. That=E2=80=99s the stuff =
that buggers clutches also.<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; =
font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-size: 11pt; font-family: Calibri, sans-serif; color: =
rgb(31, 73, 125);" class=3D"">Russ<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div><div =
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New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: 11pt; =
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223); border-top-width: 1pt; padding: 3pt 0in 0in;" class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D""><b class=3D""><span style=3D"font-size: =
10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" class=3D"">From:</span></b><span =
style=3D"font-size: 10pt; font-family: Tahoma, sans-serif;" =
class=3D""><span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Fot [<a =
href=3D"mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>]<span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><b class=3D"">On Behalf =
Of<span class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span></b>McKearn =
McKearn<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Saturday, October 31, 2015 =
6:45 PM<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Duncan Charlton<br =
class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Mike Piggot (new); FOT =
list<br class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span>Re: [Fot] Six cylinder =
cams<o:p class=3D""></o:p></span></div></div><div style=3D"margin: 0in =
0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""><o:p class=3D""> </o:p></div><div class=3D""><div =
class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; =
font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">I can tell you that I =
already have a GT6 with a good flexible power band and good reliability. =
It lacks quickness however, due in part to the TR6 =
engine which is not highly tuned and I'm sure the =
gearing could be better (3.27 rearend-Toyota T50 trans.)( Good for the =
highway.) My old car is pretty much to the point where I don't =
want to do anything more to it so I want to move on to another =
project. This time I want to build a car that snorts . I =
do however need to put it on and off the trailer and I'm not thrilled =
about breaking parts with max. RPMs so I can't afford to go all =
out. I'm looking for quickness through the gears and good =
handling. <o:p class=3D""></o:p></div></div><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" =
class=3D""> &nb=
sp;  =
; &=
nbsp; &nb=
sp; P.J. <o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div></div></div><div class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: =
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style=3D"margin: 0in 0in 0.0001pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times =
New Roman', serif;" class=3D"">On Sat, Oct 31, 2015 at 3:43 PM, Duncan =
Charlton <<a href=3D"mailto:duncan.charlton54@gmail.com"; =
target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">duncan.charlton54@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p =
class=3D""></o:p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin: 0in 0in =
12pt; font-size: 12pt; font-family: 'Times New Roman', serif;">Larry=E2=80=
=99s comments make me wonder the precise intended purpose of the engine =
mentioned by the original poster. =E2=80=9CTrack days=E2=80=9D =
might mean different things to different people. Does P. J. want a =
good flexible power band, or does he need an ultimate dyno horsepower =
figure? Does the motor have the gear set to be able to take =
advantage of an engine with very little low-end torque? How high among =
his priorities is the ability to be able to drive the car back on the =
trailer at the end of every track weekend? Lack of sponsorship and =
cash prizes mean that I must find the setup that maximizes the fun/cost =
ratio.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Duncan<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">> On Oct 31, 2015, at 1:34 PM, Larry Young =
<<a href=3D"mailto:cartravel@pobox.com"; style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" class=3D"">cartravel@pobox.com</a>> =
wrote:<br class=3D"">><br class=3D"">> That is an interesting =
article, but only speaks to one side of the issue. I always say =
that you want to pick an intake duration for an RPM range that you're =
willing and able to turn. We all know what happens to a stock TR4 crank =
which sees >6,000 on a regular basis. Some guys want a cam good =
beyond 7,000, but they are just not willing to push it that far. =
Nowadays I'm more of a street car guy, but still like to have =
power. I don't believe the choices should be to do nothing or go =
all the way to race specs. =46rom 1968 on Triumphs were severely =
detuned to pass emissions. Compression ratio and duration and =
hence cam overlap at TDC were reduced. For example, the early =
TR250/6 had 193 degrees duration (measured at 0.050), while the TR4 was =
about 215 and the early PI TR5/6 was 226. It seems crazy to rebuild a =
street car of this era to the original specs. Bumping the =
compression ratio by a point and increasing the duration to something =
like 210-215 will make the engine the way it would have been without =
emission restrictions. I would not feel guilty about polluting the =
planet, since most of these cars see few miles annually and most of the =
other pollution controls (e.g. ignition retard) probably quit working =
years ago.<br class=3D"">> - Larry<br class=3D"">><br =
class=3D"">> On 10/29/2015 7:25 AM, Duncan Charlton wrote:<br =
class=3D"">>> Cam specs and static CR are interactive. This =
will give you a rundown if you are not already knowledgeable about this =
subject:<br class=3D"">>><br class=3D"">>><span =
class=3D"Apple-converted-space"> </span><a =
href=3D"http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_ratio_=
compatibility" target=3D"_blank" style=3D"color: purple; =
text-decoration: underline;" =
class=3D"">http://www.crankshaftcoalition.com/wiki/Cam_and_compression_rat=
io_compatibility</a><br class=3D"">>><br class=3D"">>> =
Duncan<br class=3D"">>> (Texas)<br class=3D"">>><br =
class=3D"">>><br class=3D"">><br class=3D"">> =
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