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To: Tony Sheach <tony.sheach@live.co.uk>
Subject: Re: [Fot] TR4 TR6 quick rack
From: Keith Files <keithfiles@btinternet.com>
Date: Wed, 11 Nov 2015 21:17:09 +0000
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Hi All,

Just to let to know that TR Enterprises rebuilt the rack for my Sebring TR4 (=
lhd) to their specification but this is not the same rack as Tony has.=20

Just spoke to Tom and he told me that TR Enterprises will commission a batch=
 of 10 lhd racks to the same specification as Tony=E2=80=99s but would need 5=
 confirmed orders before he pressed the button on them. The racks have a 6 m=
onth lead time and would cost c. USD $750 each paid up front.

Hope this helps,

Keith
> On 11 Nov 2015, at 15:32, Tony Sheach <tony.sheach@live.co.uk> wrote:
>=20
> Chuck=20
>=20
> You need to talk to Steve and Simon as I'm sure if there were a batch of o=
rders they would get some done. They have already done all the development w=
ork for RHD.
>=20
> Regards
>=20
> Tony=20
>=20
> Sent from my iPad
>=20
> On 11 Nov 2015, at 15:17, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <triosan@gma=
il.com> wrote:
>=20
> Unfortunately for us in US, it appears the TR Enterprises rack is for righ=
t hand drive only.
>=20
>> On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Tony Sheach <tony.sheach@live.co.uk> wro=
te:
>> All the racks sold by MOSS are made in Argentina - the only rack produced=
 in the UK for the TR is made for TR Enterprises and has a solid billet casi=
ng, so instantly recognisable.
>>=20
>> Putting the Argentinian rack in a bag with a sticker that says 'product o=
f the U.K.' Is surely just a dodge to mask the source and to hoodwink people=
 into thinking that it's a different product. That's simply scandalous.=20
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>> On 10 Nov 2015, at 21:26, Jack Mc <LimeyV8@aol.com> wrote:
>>=20
>> The quick rack I bought had a sticker on the bag that said "product of th=
e U.K."=20
>> AND
>> a sticker on the rack that said "Made in Argentina"
>>=20
>> Sent from my iPad
>>=20
>>> On Nov 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley <triosan=
@gmail.com> wrote:
>>>=20
>>> Tony,
>>> Who si the source for the UK made rack?
>>>=20
>>>> On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Tony Sheach <tony.sheach@live.co.uk> w=
rote:
>>>> Charly
>>>>=20
>>>> There were a large number of failures of these racks in the UK on both r=
oad and competition cars. For MOSS to say that there was only one is simply u=
ntrue.
>>>>=20
>>>> I personally had TWO failures of brand new racks about 18 months apart.=
 Both of these failures involved the pinion housing separating from the rack=
 tube at high speed in very dangerous circumstances.
>>>>=20
>>>> I would NOT recommend the use of a MOSS rack to anyone, whether for roa=
d or competition use because the manufacturing quality is poor and the mater=
ial quality is similarly inadequate. The information that I was given at a m=
eeting face to face with MOSS in london have me the impression that some tes=
ting had been done, but the solution to the problem really had not been foun=
d (ie do the job properly).
>>>>=20
>>>> I now use a custom made rack which has a single piece pinion housing an=
d rack tube made from billet aluminium. These are being made in the UK. I wi=
ll never use a steering rack supplied by MOSS again.
>>>>=20
>>>> Regards
>>>>=20
>>>> Tony
>>>>=20
>>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>>=20
>>>> > On 9 Nov 2015, at 07:04, Charly <charly@mitchelplumbing.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> > Friends,
>>>> >
>>>> > I have a friend wanting to buy a quick steering rack for his TR4A.  I=
 told him there was a problem with them, but I thought it was resolved.  I s=
earched the archives
>>>> > and could find anything about it.  Does someone in the group know the=
 outcome of the problems that were brought to Moss on these quick racks?
>>>> > Thanks,
>>>> > Charly Mitchel
>>>> > Tr6 #44
>>>> >
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D"text/html; charset=3D=
utf-8"></head><body dir=3D"auto"><div><span></span></div><div><meta http-equ=
iv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html charset=3Dutf-8">Hi All,<div class=3D=
""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Just to let to know that TR Enterpri=
ses rebuilt the rack for my Sebring TR4 (lhd) to their specification but thi=
s is not the same rack as Tony has.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"=
"></div><div class=3D"">Just spoke to Tom and he told me that TR Enterprises=
 will commission a batch of 10 lhd racks to the same specification as Tony=E2=
=80=99s but would need 5 confirmed orders before he pressed the button on th=
em. The racks have a 6 month lead time and would cost c. USD $750 each paid u=
p front.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Hope this=
 helps,</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Keith<br c=
lass=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On 11 No=
v 2015, at 15:32, Tony Sheach &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tony.sheach@live.co.uk"; c=
lass=3D"">tony.sheach@live.co.uk</a>&gt; wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-inte=
rchange-newline"><div class=3D""><meta http-equiv=3D"content-type" content=3D=
"text/html; charset=3Dutf-8" class=3D""><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div cl=
ass=3D"">Chuck&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D=
"">You need to talk to Steve and Simon as I'm sure if there were a batch of o=
rders they would get some done. They have already done all the development w=
ork for RHD.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Regar=
ds</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">Tony&nbsp;<br c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPad</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D=
"">On 11 Nov 2015, at 15:17, Chuck Arnold and/or Kathleen Kelley &lt;<a href=
=3D"mailto:triosan@gmail.com"; class=3D"">triosan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br=
 class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""=
><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,serif;font-size:s=
mall">Unfortunately for us in US, it appears the TR Enterprises rack is for r=
ight hand drive only.</div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><=
div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Nov 11, 2015 at 1:11 AM, Tony Sheach <span=
 dir=3D"ltr" class=3D"">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tony.sheach@live.co.uk"; target=
=3D"_blank" class=3D"">tony.sheach@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br class=
=3D""><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-le=
ft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div dir=3D"auto" class=3D""><div class=3D=
"">All the racks sold by MOSS are made in Argentina - the only rack produced=
 in the UK for the TR is made for TR Enterprises and has a solid billet casi=
ng, so instantly recognisable.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><di=
v class=3D"">Putting the Argentinian rack in a bag with a sticker that says '=
product of the U.K.' Is surely just a dodge to mask the source and to hoodwi=
nk people into thinking that it's a different product. That's simply scandal=
ous.&nbsp;</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPad</div><div c=
lass=3D""><br class=3D"">On 10 Nov 2015, at 21:26, Jack Mc &lt;<a href=3D"ma=
ilto:LimeyV8@aol.com" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">LimeyV8@aol.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D""><div class=3D"">The=
 quick rack I bought had a sticker on the bag that said "product of the U.K.=
"&nbsp;</div><div class=3D"">AND</div><div class=3D"">a sticker on the rack t=
hat said "Made in Argentina"<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPad<=
/div><div class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Nov 9, 2015, at 3:24 PM, Chuck Arnold=
 and/or Kathleen Kelley &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:triosan@gmail.com"; target=3D"_=
blank" class=3D"">triosan@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br class=3D=
""></div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D""><div dir=3D"lt=
r" class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:georgia,seri=
f;font-size:small">Tony,</div><div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-fam=
ily:georgia,serif;font-size:small">Who si the source for the UK made rack?</=
div></div><div class=3D"gmail_extra"><br class=3D""><div class=3D"gmail_quot=
e">On Mon, Nov 9, 2015 at 11:49 AM, Tony Sheach <span dir=3D"ltr" class=3D""=
>&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:tony.sheach@live.co.uk"; target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">=
tony.sheach@live.co.uk</a>&gt;</span> wrote:<br class=3D""><blockquote class=
=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-left:1px #ccc solid;paddi=
ng-left:1ex">Charly<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
There were a large number of failures of these racks in the UK on both road a=
nd competition cars. For MOSS to say that there was only one is simply untru=
e.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I personally had TWO failures of brand new racks about 18 months apart. Both=
 of these failures involved the pinion housing separating from the rack tube=
 at high speed in very dangerous circumstances.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I would NOT recommend the use of a MOSS rack to anyone, whether for road or c=
ompetition use because the manufacturing quality is poor and the material qu=
ality is similarly inadequate. The information that I was given at a meeting=
 face to face with MOSS in london have me the impression that some testing h=
ad been done, but the solution to the problem really had not been found (ie d=
o the job properly).<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
I now use a custom made rack which has a single piece pinion housing and rac=
k tube made from billet aluminium. These are being made in the UK. I will ne=
ver use a steering rack supplied by MOSS again.<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Regards<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Tony<br class=3D"">
<br class=3D"">
Sent from my iPhone<br class=3D"">
<span class=3D""><br class=3D"">
&gt; On 9 Nov 2015, at 07:04, Charly &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:charly@mitchelplu=
mbing.com" target=3D"_blank" class=3D"">charly@mitchelplumbing.com</a>&gt; w=
rote:<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt; Friends,<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
&gt; I have a friend wanting to buy a quick steering rack for his TR4A.&nbsp=
; I told him there was a problem with them, but I thought it was resolved.&n=
bsp; I searched the archives<br class=3D"">
&gt; and could find anything about it.&nbsp; Does someone in the group know t=
he outcome of the problems that were brought to Moss on these quick racks?<b=
r class=3D"">
&gt; Thanks,<br class=3D"">
&gt; Charly Mitchel<br class=3D"">
&gt; Tr6 #44<br class=3D"">
&gt;<br class=3D"">
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