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Re: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph

To: Gertjan van de Klashorst <klokhuis67@t-online.de>
Subject: Re: [Fot] What makes a Triumph a Triumph
From: robert bownes <bownes@seiri.com>
Date: Wed, 9 Dec 2015 12:20:23 -0500
Cc: J Roenigk <rroenigk@aol.com>, Triumph 'Friends of Triumph <fot@autox.team.net>
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Many a Formula Ford in the 60's generation used Spitfire uprights in the
front suspension. I'm pretty sure Crossle used them.

http://www.crossle.co.uk/Parts/ED11620.htm



On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:23 AM, Gertjan van de Klashorst <
klokhuis67@t-online.de> wrote:

> Good question. Saab used engines produced by Triumph, Morgan used Triumph
> engines as did some Peerless and Warwick and Doretti, also Italia. Now th=
e
> last four are seen at the TR International in Malvern and seen as Triumph
> derivatives. I have never heard anybody calling Saab and Morgan Triumph
> derivatives.
>
>
>
> There must be more that have used Triumph parts for their cars. Formula
> One Lotus was using a Triumph suspension part, they called the
> triumph-link. A South African single seater, called Protea,  is using
> Triumph engine and gear box. The Devin could be equipped with TR engine,
> but with many others as well.
>
> So anybody can define where it starts and ends?
>
>
>
> Gert
>
>
>
> *Van:* Bob Bownes -Seiri [mailto:bownes@seiri.com]
> *Verzonden:* 09 December 2015 16:04
> *Aan:* John Styduhar
> *CC:* John Hasty; J Roenigk; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph; klokhuis67
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
>
>
>
> When it is a TVR? ;)
>
>
> On Nov 30, 2015, at 13:44, John Styduhar <johnstydo@gmail.com> wrote:
>
> That's interesting information John. I wonder how many other TR-sourced
> cars were built.  When is a Triumph a Triumph??
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 1:28 PM, John Hasty <jhasty@mhc-law.com> wrote:
>
> John=E2=80=A6..I may be wrong, but I think Triumph only sold mechanicals =
to
> Vignale who built and sold the Italia=E2=80=A6.
>
>
>
> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net] *On Behalf Of *Pierce,
> Russell
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 1:22 PM
> *To:* John Styduhar; klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
>
>
> *Cc:* J Roenigk
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
>
>
>
> He parker it next to my car at the car show during the K cup. Can=E2=80=
=99t
> remember his name but he is good friends with Ronnie Babbitt. I=E2=80=99m=
 sure he
> told me he actually has two and this was not the better one.
>
>
>
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> *From:* Fot [mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net
> <fot-bounces@autox.team.net>] *On Behalf Of *John Styduhar
> *Sent:* Monday, November 30, 2015 11:12 AM
> *To:* klokhuis67; Triumph 'Friends of Triumph
> *Cc:* J Roenigk
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
>
>
>
> I saw a beautiful red Italia at the Kastner Cup this year at Summit Point=
.
> Can't remember who the owner was. I think it is the most beautiful car th=
at
> Triumph made.
>
>
>
> On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:56 AM, klokhuis67 <klokhuis67@t-online.de>
> wrote:
>
> Certainly interested in the info. From what I know is that the last 30
> TRFs, 501-530 were used for Italia's.
>
>
>
> I also have a link to the Italia Registrar of the UK TR Register.
>
>
>
> Thanks
>
>
>
>
>
> Best regards,
>
> Gertjan van de Klashorst
>
> Sent from my Samsung tablet
>
>
> Rich Roenigk <rroenigk@aol.com> wrote:
>
> Kurt=E2=80=A6.not aware that happened=E2=80=A6.let=E2=80=99s see what Ger=
t says.
>
>
>
> Thx
>
>
>
> Rich
>
>
>
> *From:* Kurt Oblinger [mailto:koblinger@verizon.net]
> *Sent:* Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:51 PM
> *To:* John Styduhar; gertjan van de klashorst; J Roenigk
> *Subject:* Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining TR3Bs
>
>
>
> I have an Italia 2000 built on a TR3B (TSF) chassis. Would you like that
> info?
>
> Thanks,
> Kurt O.
>
> On 11/29/2015 5:37 PM, John Styduhar wrote:
>
> Amici,
>
> If any owner of a TR3B is interested in including their car in a register
> of remaining TR3Bs and receive a numbered certificate of confirmation,
> please forward the following information to Gert J. van de Klashorst,
> registrar:
>
>
>
> Titled Date-
>
> Commission Number-
>
> Body Serial Number-
>
> Engine Number-
>
> Rear Axle Serial Number-
>
> Gearbox Serial Number-
>
> Current owner's name, address, and contact information-
>
> Owned since date-
>
> Car history if known-
>
> Current photo-
>
>
>
> Gert's email address is       klokhuis67@t-online.de
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<div dir=3D"ltr"><br><br>Many a Formula Ford in the 60&#39;s generation use=
d Spitfire uprights in the front suspension. I&#39;m pretty sure Crossle us=
ed them.<br><br><a href=3D"http://www.crossle.co.uk/Parts/ED11620.htm";>http=
://www.crossle.co.uk/Parts/ED11620.htm</a><br><br><br></div><div class=3D"g=
mail_extra"><br><div class=3D"gmail_quote">On Wed, Dec 9, 2015 at 11:23 AM,=
 Gertjan van de Klashorst <span dir=3D"ltr">&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:klokhuis6=
7@t-online.de" target=3D"_blank">klokhuis67@t-online.de</a>&gt;</span> wrot=
e:<br><blockquote class=3D"gmail_quote" style=3D"margin:0 0 0 .8ex;border-l=
eft:1px #ccc solid;padding-left:1ex"><div link=3D"blue" vlink=3D"purple" la=
ng=3D"NL"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN=
-GB">Good question. Saab used engines produced by Triumph, Morgan used Triu=
mph engines as did some Peerless and Warwick and Doretti, also Italia. Now =
the last four are seen at the TR International in Malvern and seen as Trium=
ph derivatives. I have never heard anybody calling Saab and Morgan Triumph =
derivatives. <u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D=
"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;co=
lor:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quo=
t;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-GB">There must be more that ha=
ve used Triumph parts for their cars. Formula One Lotus was using a Triumph=
 suspension part, they called the triumph-link. A South African single seat=
er, called Protea, =C2=A0is using Triumph engine and gear box. The Devin co=
uld be equipped with TR engine, but with many others as well.<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-fami=
ly:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-GB"=
>So anybody can define where it starts and ends?<u></u><u></u></span></p><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Cali=
bri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=
=A0<u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt=
;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=
=3D"EN-GB">Gert<u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=
=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;=
;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-GB"><u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></span></p><div><div sty=
le=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"=
><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quo=
t;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;">Van:</span></b><span style=3D"font-s=
ize:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;"> Bob Bown=
es -Seiri [mailto:<a href=3D"mailto:bownes@seiri.com"; target=3D"_blank">bow=
nes@seiri.com</a>] <br><b>Verzonden:</b> 09 December 2015 16:04<br><b>Aan:<=
/b> John Styduhar<br><b>CC:</b> John Hasty; J Roenigk; Triumph &#39;Friends=
 of Triumph; klokhuis67<br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Fot] TR3B register of rem=
aining TR3Bs<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><u>=
</u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">When it is a TVR? ;)<u></u=
><u></u></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"margin-bottom:12.0pt=
"><br>On Nov 30, 2015, at 13:44, John Styduhar &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:johnst=
ydo@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">johnstydo@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin-bottom:5.0pt">=
<div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">That&#39;s interesting information Jo=
hn. I wonder how many other TR-sourced cars were built.=C2=A0 When is a Tri=
umph a Triumph??<u></u><u></u></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
u></u>=C2=A0<u></u></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at =
1:28 PM, John Hasty &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:jhasty@mhc-law.com"; target=3D"_bl=
ank">jhasty@mhc-law.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><u></u></p><div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">John=E2=80=A6..I m=
ay be wrong, but I think Triumph only sold mechanicals to Vignale who built=
 and sold the Italia=E2=80=A6.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></s=
pan></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:=
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From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&qu=
ot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> Fot [<a href=3D"mailto:fot-boun=
ces@autox.team.net" target=3D"_blank">mailto:fot-bounces@autox.team.net</a>=
] <b>On Behalf Of </b>John Styduhar<br><b>Sent:</b> Monday, November 30, 20=
15 11:12 AM<br><b>To:</b> klokhuis67; Triumph &#39;Friends of Triumph<br><b=
>Cc:</b> J Roenigk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] TR3B register of remaining =
TR3Bs</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNo=
rmal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I saw a beautiful red Italia at the Ka=
stner Cup this year at Summit Point. Can&#39;t remember who the owner was. =
I think it is the most beautiful car that Triumph made.=C2=A0<u></u><u></u>=
</span></p></div></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US=
">On Mon, Nov 30, 2015 at 4:56 AM, klokhuis67 &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:klokhui=
s67@t-online.de" target=3D"_blank">klokhuis67@t-online.de</a>&gt; wrote:<u>=
</u><u></u></span></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"=
>Certainly interested in the info. From what I know is that the last 30 TRF=
s, 501-530 were used for Italia&#39;s.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p><=
/div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I also have a link to=
 the Italia Registrar of the UK TR Register.<u></u><u></u></span></p></div>=
<div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span=
></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Thanks<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=
=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D=
"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Best regards,<br><br>Gertjan van de Klashorst<br><b=
r>Sent from my Samsung tablet<u></u><u></u></span></p></div></div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US"><br>Rich Roenigk &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:=
rroenigk@aol.com" target=3D"_blank">rroenigk@aol.com</a>&gt; wrote:<u></u><=
u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0p=
t;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lan=
g=3D"EN-US">Kurt=E2=80=A6.not aware that happened=E2=80=A6.let=E2=80=99s se=
e what Gert says.</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri=
&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span st=
yle=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&qu=
ot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">Thx</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u>=
</u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-=
family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN=
-US">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;=
,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;color:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">Rich</span><span lang=
=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"f=
ont-size:11.0pt;font-family:&quot;Calibri&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;;colo=
r:#1f497d" lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u><=
/span></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #b5c4df 1.0pt;pad=
ding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b><span style=3D"font-size:=
10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US=
">From:</span></b><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:&quot;Tahoma&=
quot;,&quot;sans-serif&quot;" lang=3D"EN-US"> Kurt Oblinger [mailto:<a href=
=3D"mailto:koblinger@verizon.net"; target=3D"_blank">koblinger@verizon.net</=
a>] <br><b>Sent:</b> Sunday, November 29, 2015 9:51 PM<br><b>To:</b> John S=
tyduhar; gertjan van de klashorst; J Roenigk<br><b>Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] T=
R3B register of remaining TR3Bs</span><span lang=3D"EN-US"><u></u><u></u></=
span></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u><=
/u><u></u></span></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">I hav=
e an Italia 2000 built on a TR3B (TSF) chassis. Would you like that info?<b=
r><br>Thanks,<br>Kurt O.<br><br>On 11/29/2015 5:37 PM, John Styduhar wrote:=
<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><blockquote style=3D"margin-top:5.0pt;margin=
-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Amici,=
<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN=
-US">If any owner of a TR3B is interested in including their car in a regis=
ter of remaining TR3Bs and receive a numbered certificate of confirmation, =
please forward the following information to Gert J. van de Klashorst, regis=
trar: =C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoN=
ormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Titled Date-=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></di=
v><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Commission Number-<u></u=
><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">B=
ody Serial Number-<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Engine Number-<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p=
 class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Rear Axle Serial Number-<u></u><u=
></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Gear=
box Serial Number-<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Current owner&#39;s name, address, and contact infor=
mation-<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lan=
g=3D"EN-US">Owned since date-<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Car history if known-<u></u><u></u></sp=
an></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-US">Current photo=
-<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"E=
N-US">=C2=A0<u></u><u></u></span></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-US">Gert&#39;s email address is =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0=C2=A0</sp=
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