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Re: [Fot] Endurance TR6 at COTA

To: riverside@southslope.net
Subject: Re: [Fot] Endurance TR6 at COTA
From: Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 8 Aug 2016 14:05:44 -0700
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The bosses are very hefty, the entire cover is a really well-designed =
chunk of aluminum. I was considering a cooler and pump, or trying to get =
natural circulation from gear action when I found this. I haven=E2=80=99t =
done any real endurance events, but in one hour enduros the outer =
surface temperature never rose above 160F (accorting to my Tempil =
label).=20

> On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:09 PM, riverside@southslope.net wrote:
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> might also be a handy place to mount Watts linkage center
> pivot.
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> art de armond
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> Sent: Sunday, August 07, 2016 10:00 PM
> Subject: Re: [Fot] Endurance TR6 at COTA
> =20
> I'm guessing the four bosses will take a TR4A style IRS bracket. This =
looks like a worthy upgrade. We are going to add a pump and cooler for =
sure.
> =20
> This time I think we had a more traditional pinion failure rather than =
heat related.  I felt it chunk something in the first hour of the event =
when it was still pretty cool. It later calmed down to the point other =
drivers said they didn't hear it.
> =20
> I'll pull it and find out soon.
>=20
> Sent from my iPhone
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> On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Bill Babcock <ponobill@gmail.com =
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>> See if you can find one of these diff covers. About three times the =
oil capacity and a heck of a lot more cooling. Fitting it might be a =
challenge, but it solved my frying diff problem completely. That and =
RedLine diff oil.  No, I don=E2=80=99t remember where I got it. sorry. =
Maybe someone else knows where they come from. As you can see by the =
empty bracket, I didtched my panhard rod to run this thing. Subbed in =
the solid brass spring eyes and big washers from Joe (I think, great =
memory) which keeps the axle centered almost as well. .=20
>> =20
>> <IMG_0453.jpg>
>> =20
>> =20
>> =20
>>> On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com =
>>> =20
>>> Just a quick update. We were beaten by equipment at approximately =
1:30 yesterday afternoon. Although certainly disappointed not to take =
the flag, we were all pretty proud of the old girl. She put in a solid 8 =
hours Friday and another 5.5 on Saturday.=20
>>>=20
>>> We were racing cars from the past two decades with a few exceptions. =
Out of 100+ cars, there was a pair of 60s mustangs, an Opel with a LS =
motor and us. Friday we finished 47th with 114 laps and yesterday 73 =
with 81 laps.  We were averaging 3:10s around the full F1 course. As a =
point of reference, the leaders were running consistent 2:50s. A certain =
pair of drivers on our team were clipping close to 2 minute laps and =
both swore they weren't pushing too hard, maybe.
>>>=20
>>> We were running with 18 month old 200 tried wear tires that had been =
flat spotted at the last race. This became very noticeable at 100+ down =
the straights. We again limited RPMs to save the motor.  With a 3.7 rear =
end and no OD we were full speed about 1/2 into the straights.  This is =
where the leaders would pass us.
>>>=20
>>> Some of you recall last summer we raced this car with WRL in the =
June Texas heat and had some issues with lower than desirable oil =
pressures and a diff that boiling its juice.=20
>>>=20
>>> For the engine side of things:  This time around we installed an oil =
cooler and used VR1 full synthetic. Oil pressure at full tilt was 90+ =
all weekend and 40-50 at idle at pit stops.  Problem solved. I am very =
impressed with synthetic motor oil. The oil still looks brand new after =
13+ hours of racing. I know from past endurance races with Dino oil, it =
would be pitch black and stinky at this point.=20
>>>=20
>>> On the diff side (not so good):  after boiling the Dino based =
lubricant last summer, we opted to simply switch to synthetic. This =
seemed to be working on Friday as our diff catch can stayed dry. We had =
some terrible noises coming from the rear end on Friday that we thought =
were hub bearings going out.  The hub bearings are still suspect and =
will require attention. But our more serious problem was heat in the =
diff. The diff puked at about 1:30 and our day was done.=20
>>>=20
>>> Last summer Keith mention his solution was a diff cooler and I think =
we will be heading down that path for the next endurance race. Who =
knows, we may end up with a triumph that can go the distance, =
eventually.=20
>>>=20
>>> We were so close this time.
>>>=20
>>> Sent from my iPhone
>>>=20
>>>> On Aug 5, 2016, at 5:53 PM, Greg Blake <gblake58tr3@icloud.com =
>>>>=20
>>>> We finished the day strong. Only a brief stint in the garage to =
check some bearings. Other than that, ran all day long in the Texas =
heat. Right now 47th out 100+
>>>>=20
>>>> Notice the only hood down in the pic?
>>>>=20
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>>>> <IMG_0793.JPG>
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class=3D"">The bosses are very hefty, the entire cover is a really =
well-designed chunk of aluminum. I was considering a cooler and pump, or =
trying to get natural circulation from gear action when I found this. I =
haven=E2=80=99t done any real endurance events, but in one hour enduros =
the outer surface temperature never rose above 160F (accorting to my =
Tempil label).&nbsp;<div class=3D""><br class=3D""><div><blockquote =
type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div class=3D"">On Aug 8, 2016, at 12:09 PM, <a =
href=3D"mailto:riverside@southslope.net"; =
class=3D"">riverside@southslope.net</a> wrote:</div><br =
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<div class=3D"">might also be a handy place to mount Watts linkage =
center</div>
<div class=3D"">pivot.</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">art de armond</div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">
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<div style=3D"font-color: black" class=3D""><b class=3D"">From:</b> <a =
title=3D"rkramer3@austin.rr.com" href=3D"mailto:rkramer3@austin.rr.com"; =
class=3D"">Bob Kramer</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Sent:</b> Sunday, August 07, 2016 10:00 =
PM</div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">To:</b> <a title=3D"ponobill@gmail.com" =
href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; class=3D"">Bill Babcock</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Cc:</b> <a title=3D"fot@autox.team.net" =
href=3D"mailto:fot@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">Fot</a> </div>
<div class=3D""><b class=3D"">Subject:</b> Re: [Fot] Endurance TR6 at =
COTA</div></div></div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div></div>
<div style=3D"font-size: small; text-decoration: none; font-family: =
Calibri; font-weight: normal; font-style: normal; display: inline;" =
class=3D"">
<div class=3D"">I'm guessing the four bosses will take a TR4A style IRS =
bracket. This looks=20
like a worthy upgrade. We are going to add a pump and cooler for sure. =
</div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">This time I think we had a more traditional pinion=20
failure rather than heat related.&nbsp; I felt it chunk something in the =
first=20
hour of the event when it was still pretty cool. It later calmed down to =
the=20
point other drivers said they didn't hear it. </div>
<div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
<div class=3D"">I'll pull it and find out soon.<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">Sent from my=20
iPhone</div>
<div class=3D""><br class=3D"">On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:10 PM, Bill Babcock =
&lt;<a href=3D"mailto:ponobill@gmail.com"; =
class=3D"">ponobill@gmail.com</a>&gt; wrote:<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div>
<blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">See if you can find one of these diff covers. About =
three times the oil=20
  capacity and a heck of a lot more cooling. Fitting it might be a =
challenge,=20
  but it solved my frying diff problem completely. That and RedLine diff=20=

  oil.&nbsp; No, I don=E2=80=99t remember where I got it. sorry. Maybe =
someone else=20
  knows where they come from. As you can see by the empty bracket, I =
didtched my=20
  panhard rod to run this thing. Subbed in the solid brass spring eyes =
and big=20
  washers from Joe (I think, great memory) which keeps the axle centered =
almost=20
  as well. .&nbsp;=20
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"">&lt;IMG_0453.jpg&gt;<br class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"">
  <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
  <div class=3D"">
  <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"">On Aug 7, 2016, at 6:52 AM, Greg Blake &lt;<a =
href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com"; =
class=3D"">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>&gt;=20
    wrote:</div>
    <div class=3D"">&nbsp;</div>
    <div class=3D"">
    <div class=3D"">Just a quick update. We were beaten by equipment at =
approximately 1:30=20
    yesterday afternoon. Although certainly disappointed not to take the =
flag,=20
    we were all pretty proud of the old girl. She put in a solid 8 hours =
Friday=20
    and another 5.5 on Saturday. <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">We were =
racing cars from the past two=20
    decades with a few exceptions. Out of 100+ cars, there was a pair of =
60s=20
    mustangs, an Opel with a LS motor and us. Friday we finished 47th =
with 114=20
    laps and yesterday 73 with 81 laps.&nbsp; We were averaging 3:10s =
around the=20
    full F1 course. As a point of reference, the leaders were running =
consistent=20
    2:50s. A certain pair of drivers on our team were clipping close to =
2 minute=20
    laps and both swore they weren't pushing too hard, maybe.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">We were=20
    running with 18 month old 200 tried wear tires that had been flat =
spotted at=20
    the last race. This became very noticeable at 100+ down the =
straights. We=20
    again limited RPMs to save the motor.&nbsp; With a 3.7 rear end and =
no OD we=20
    were full speed about 1/2 into the straights.&nbsp; This is where =
the=20
    leaders would pass us.<br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Some of you =
recall last summer we raced this=20
    car with WRL in the June Texas heat and had some issues with lower =
than=20
    desirable oil pressures and a diff that boiling its juice. <br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">For the=20
    engine side of things:&nbsp; This time around we installed an oil =
cooler and=20
    used VR1 full synthetic. Oil pressure at full tilt was 90+ all =
weekend and=20
    40-50 at idle at pit stops.&nbsp; Problem solved. I am very =
impressed with=20
    synthetic motor oil. The oil still looks brand new after 13+ hours =
of=20
    racing. I know from past endurance races with Dino oil, it would be =
pitch=20
    black and stinky at this point. <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">On the =
diff side (not so=20
    good):&nbsp; after boiling the Dino based lubricant last summer, we =
opted to=20
    simply switch to synthetic. This seemed to be working on Friday as =
our diff=20
    catch can stayed dry. We had some terrible noises coming from the =
rear end=20
    on Friday that we thought were hub bearings going out.&nbsp; The hub=20=

    bearings are still suspect and will require attention. But our more =
serious=20
    problem was heat in the diff. The diff puked at about 1:30 and our =
day was=20
    done. <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">Last summer Keith mention his =
solution was a diff cooler and I=20
    think we will be heading down that path for the next endurance race. =
Who=20
    knows, we may end up with a triumph that can go the distance, =
eventually.=20
    <br class=3D""><br class=3D"">We were so close this time.<br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my iPhone<br class=3D""><br =
class=3D"">
    <blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D"">On Aug 5, 2016, at 5:53 PM, =
Greg Blake &lt;<a href=3D"mailto:gblake58tr3@icloud.com"; =
class=3D"">gblake58tr3@icloud.com</a>&gt;=20
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Only a brief stint in the garage=20
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Texas=20
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the only hood down in the=20
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class=3D"">&lt;IMG_0793.JPG&gt;<br class=3D""><br class=3D""><br =
class=3D""><br class=3D"">Sent from my=20
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