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Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar

To: "fot@autox.team.net" <fot@autox.team.net>, Mark Cook <mecook@mindspring.com>
Subject: Re: [Fot] Koni vs Gaz vs Spax - TR6 racecar
From: Robert Lang via Fot <fot@autox.team.net>
Date: Wed, 31 Jan 2024 18:40:25 +0000 (UTC)
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 Hi,
Go with the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas le=
aks out and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam wh=
ich effects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to r=
eplace the Spax every two years, plus or minus.

For the rears, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your =
shocks to your roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of p=
roblems with the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damag=
e running with those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless yo=
u can verify the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod end=
s, I will guarantee frame structural failure over time.
So - get a set of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimpo=
rt.com (worldwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable a=
nd you get both a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing=
 up your frame. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspen=
sion and break the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables =
for a long time and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid =
of the rear squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely dif=
ferently.
Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same as Nylatron. Yo=
u can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.

Regards,Bob Lang

    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark Cook via Fot <f=
ot@autox.team.net> wrote: =20
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Quick question (maybe?).=C2=A0 =C2=A0I am replacing the existing Koni front=
 adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).=C2=A0 Bushings are worn out as likely are =
the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =E2=80=9969 TR6=
 racecar.=C2=A0 I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and MCS.=C2=A0=20

 =C2=A0

Any preference?=C2=A0 Spax and Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adju=
ster is appealing compared to having to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every tim=
e I need to adjust the suspension.

 =C2=A0

Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in there=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replaci=
ng all the front/rear suspension bushings.=C2=A0 Have purchased Nylatron bu=
shings.=C2=A0 Cannot find Delrin products for TR6.

 =C2=A0

Thanks,

 =C2=A0

Mark Cook
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        <div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Hi,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" da=
ta-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Go wit=
h the Koni shocks in front. The SPAX shocks work well, but the gas leaks ou=
t and they become "just shocks" and without the gas, they can foam which ef=
fects the shock efficiency over the course of a session. Or plan to replace=
 the Spax every two years, plus or minus.<br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-se=
tdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">For the rea=
rs, unless you converted to a coil over setup and / or tie your shocks to y=
our roll cage GET RID OF THE TUBE SHOCKS. I have seen a lot of problems wit=
h the conversion shock setups out there and you risk frame damage running w=
ith those shocks. I can write a lot on this topic, but unless you can verif=
y the action of the bump stops AND secure the shocks via rod ends, I will g=
uarantee frame structural failure over time.</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-set=
dir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">So - get a s=
et of stock Armstrong lever shocks for the rear and get nosimport.com (worl=
dwide autoparts in Madison, WI) to rebuild them as adjustable and you get b=
oth a workable, reliable setup and it will work without messing up your fra=
me. Unless you do stupid things like I do and bottom the suspension and bre=
ak the frame, but I digress. I've run the Armstong adjustables for a long t=
ime and they work great. With a little tuning, you can get rid of the rear =
squat when you tromp on it, Makes the car handle completely differently.</d=
iv><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-s=
etdir=3D"false">Delrin is a trademark, I believe - the material is the same=
 as Nylatron. You can verify by looking at the durometer ratings.<br></div>=
<div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setd=
ir=3D"false">Regards,</div><div dir=3D"ltr" data-setdir=3D"false">Bob Lang<=
br></div><div><br></div>
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                    On Wednesday, January 31, 2024 at 01:24:07 PM EST, Mark=
 Cook via Fot &lt;fot@autox.team.net&gt; wrote:
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                <div><div id=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143"><div><div class=
=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143WordSection1"><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697=
143MsoNormal">Quick question (maybe?).&nbsp; &nbsp;I am replacing the exist=
ing Koni front adjustable shocks (PN 80-1784).&nbsp; Bushings are worn out =
as likely are the shocks. Same with the rear adjustable SPAX shocks on my =
=E2=80=9969 TR6 racecar.&nbsp; I am more familiar with Bilstein, Koni and M=
CS.&nbsp; </p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p =
class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Any preference?&nbsp; Spax and =
Gaz are unknown to me, but the external adjuster is appealing compared to h=
aving to remove the Koni=E2=80=99s every time I need to adjust the suspensi=
on.</p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=
=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Using the =E2=80=9Cwhile I am in the=
re=E2=80=9D approach, I will be replacing all the front/rear suspension bus=
hings.&nbsp; Have purchased Nylatron bushings.&nbsp; Cannot find Delrin pro=
ducts for TR6.</p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p=
><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal">Thanks,</p><p class=3D"ydp5=
18536d1yiv3804697143MsoNormal"> &nbsp;</p><p class=3D"ydp518536d1yiv3804697=
143MsoNormal">Mark Cook</p></div></div></div>______________________________=
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