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Re: [Healeys] Negative ground SU fuel pump question

To: richard mayor <boyracer466@gmail.com>
Subject: Re: [Healeys] Negative ground SU fuel pump question
From: Kees Oudesluijs via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Mon, 10 May 2021 17:48:27 +0200 (CEST)
Cc: healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
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Richard,

Rebuilding SU-pumps is therapeutic and satisfying. I started years ago after I 
retired. I still discover new things about them and keep developing the 
technique and methods.
I always prefer to keep the 3-layer diaphragm as it is far superior to the 
later 2 or even single layer ones. As long as all three layers are intact, 
reasonably supple, not cracked and can be (very carefully) separated from each 
other without damage they are usually OK. When cleaned (brake cleaner) and 
dried I dust them with a little talcum powder to prevent them from sticking in 
the future and keep the rubber in good condition. In the past I used some 
rubber grease. I still have perfect original diaphragms from pumps that were 
fitted in the '50's. One thing which is important is to take care with the 
Bakelite bridge. Do not overtighten the fixing screws as the Bakelite is rather 
brittle and cracks easily. However the plus side is that Bakelite can be glued, 
and if bits are missing reconstructed, very well using araldite or any other 
suitable epoxy glue. Same for the cap. It will leave a very strong and lasting 
repair.
Points are usually fit for sanding the worst pitting followed by polishing them 
with flower paper. Old point may be preferable to new points, the old ones are 
probably a better quality. They hardly wear.
The main reason the SU-pumps are giving up is lack of use as electric corrosion 
between the points will stop them working. I have done more than 160.000miles 
in my first Jensen-Healey and never had one problem with the fuel pump. Even 
after I laid up the car for about 10 years it would still pump the fuel on my 
yearly start up of the engine. After that it was left to its own devices and 
when I took it out in 2008 to fit in my present J-H it failed! I took it apart, 
cleaned, inspected it, polished the points and rebuild it with all its original 
components bar the seals for fuel hose connectors. It has been working 
flawlessly ever since and that was needed was a cleaning of the points. Earlier 
I replaced the capacitor with a transil (bi-directional Zener diode), 1.5 
KE18CA. I now keep the capacitor and fit the transil in parallel with it. It 
will decrease sparking tremendously.
In very old pumps single instead of double points are fitted and often no 
capacitor is fitted at all from the factory. When rebuilding these units I 
always fit a transil with or without a capacitor to protect the points.
If you want to carry a spare fuel pump, do not use an SU-pump. The points will 
corrode in the boot after some time and it will fail you when you need it. 
Better to get one of those $15 simple Facet fuel pumps. They are crude, make a 
lot of noise but will get you home.
Cheers,
Kees

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</head><body>Richard,<br><br>Rebuilding SU-pumps is therapeutic and satisfy=
ing. I started years ago after I retired. I still discover new things about=
 them and keep developing the technique and methods.<br>I always prefer to =
keep the 3-layer diaphragm as it is far superior to the later 2 or even sin=
gle layer ones. As long as all three layers are intact, reasonably supple, =
not cracked and can be (very carefully) separated from each other without d=
amage they are usually OK. When cleaned (brake cleaner) and dried I dust th=
em with a little talcum powder to prevent them from sticking in the future =
and keep the rubber in good condition. In the past I used some rubber greas=
e. I still have perfect original diaphragms from pumps that were fitted in =
the &#39;50&#39;s. One thing which is important is to take care with the Ba=
kelite bridge. Do not overtighten the fixing screws as the Bakelite is rath=
er brittle and cracks easily. However the plus side is that Bakelite can be=
 glued, and if bits are missing reconstructed, very well using araldite or =
any other suitable epoxy glue. Same for the cap. It will leave a very stron=
g and lasting repair.<br>Points are usually fit for sanding the worst pitti=
ng followed by polishing them with flower paper. Old point may be preferabl=
e to new points, the old ones are probably a better quality. They hardly we=
ar.<br>The main reason the SU-pumps are giving up is lack of use as electri=
c corrosion between the points will stop them working. I have done more tha=
n 160.000miles in my first Jensen-Healey and never had one problem with the=
 fuel pump. Even after I laid up the car for about 10 years it would still =
pump the fuel on my yearly start up of the engine. After that it was left t=
o its own devices and when I took it out in 2008 to fit in my present J-H i=
t failed! I took it apart, cleaned, inspected it, polished the points and r=
ebuild it with all its original components bar the seals for fuel hose conn=
ectors. It has been working flawlessly ever since and that was needed was a=
 cleaning of the points. Earlier I replaced the capacitor with a transil (b=
i-directional Zener diode), 1.5 KE18CA. I now keep the capacitor and fit th=
e transil in parallel with it. It will decrease sparking tremendously.<br>I=
n very old pumps single instead of double points are fitted and often no ca=
pacitor is fitted at all from the factory. When rebuilding these units I al=
ways fit a transil with or without a capacitor to protect the points.<br>If=
 you want to carry a spare fuel pump, do not use an SU-pump. The points wil=
l corrode in the boot after some time and it will fail you when you need it=
. Better to get one of those $15 simple Facet fuel pumps. They are crude, m=
ake a lot of noise but will get you home.<br>Cheers,<br>Kees<br></body></ht=
ml>
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