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Subject: Re: [Healeys] Vapor lock gas
From: Bob Spidell via Healeys <healeys@autox.team.net>
Date: Tue, 11 May 2021 20:12:41 -0700
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... and the vacuum advance is supposed to be disconnected and the port 
on the carb plugged though, in practice I haven't seen it make much 
difference.

FWIW, my BJ8 has a fresh rebuilt to stock specs and has 170psi +/- on 
all 6 and doesn't ping on 91-octane gasahol (pretty much all you can get 
in California).

bs

On 5/11/2021 12:55 PM, David P via Healeys wrote:
>
> ...which begs the question of how many owners run their engines with 
> too much ignition advance. Do you know and when was the last time the 
> distributor was lubed? Asking for a friend... Note: Most Lucas 
> distributors start advancing at 750 RPM, so if the initial is not set 
> there or is above your total may exceed the allowable ... dp
>
> On 5/11/2021 1:00 PM, BJ8Healeys wrote:
>> Nathan, I'm a little bit late with my response, so I'll just direct 
>> it to you.
>> My two cents' worth:
>>
>> When I and my traveling companions were returning from Conclave 2008 
>> in San Diego and we got to Missouri, we discovered that the highest 
>> octane available there was 91.  After filling up with that, both BJ8s 
>> missed and knocked and chugged until we got into Tennessee and 
>> refilled with 93 octane.
>>
>> Recently, a BJ8 owner called me to say he was in the area (300 miles 
>> from home) and his engine had begun to "click" under acceleration.  
>> He thought it was a timing problem and wanted me to check that.  He 
>> mentioned that he had fueled up with non-ethanol.  Around here, some 
>> stations advertise "non-ethanol" but they neglect to say the octane 
>> was dropped from 93 (with ethanol) to 91 (without). I suggested that 
>> he forget about non-ethanol and go with 93.  After that, during his 
>> return home, he had no more "clicking" problems.
>>
>> Ethanol-laced gas has its own issues (as you might remember from my 
>> Black Hills narrative, I had some aggravating stumbling and missing 
>> as I left home, due to the bad ethanol that had been in the tank too 
>> long), especially if the car isn't used much; but as long as I stick 
>> with 93 octane, at least the engine runs as it should.
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Steve
>>
>>
>>
>> -----------------------------------------
>>
>> From: "N.S. Bennett"
>> To: healeys@autox.team.net
>> Cc:
>> Sent: Sunday May 9 2021 2:39:24PM
>> Subject: Re: [Healeys] Vapor lock gas
>>
>> Thanks for the link to the MV article on ethanol and vapor lock. It 
>> was a good read.
>>
>> Although I'm certain this has been debated (many times) before, 
>> what's the general consensus on octane rating when refueling our cars?
>>
>> I've always used the highest.i can get. But reading that article has 
>> once again made me question my practice.
>>
>> Interested in the list's thoughts...
>>
>> Cheers!
>> Nathan
>> '66 BJ8
>>
>>
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    ... and the vacuum advance is supposed to be disconnected and the
    port on the carb plugged though, in practice I haven't seen it make
    much difference.<br>
    <br>
    FWIW, my BJ8 has a fresh rebuilt to stock specs and has 170psi +/-
    on all 6 and doesn't ping on 91-octane gasahol (pretty much all you
    can get in California).<br>
    <br>
    bs<br>
    <br>
    <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2021 12:55 PM, David P via
      Healeys wrote:<br>
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      <p>...which begs the question of how many owners run their engines
        with too much ignition advance. Do you know and when was the
        last time the distributor was lubed? Asking for a friend... 
        Note: Most Lucas distributors start advancing at 750 RPM, so if
        the initial is not set there or is above your total may exceed
        the allowable ... dp<br>
      </p>
      <div class="moz-cite-prefix">On 5/11/2021 1:00 PM, BJ8Healeys
        wrote:<br>
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        <div>Nathan, I'm a little bit late with my response, so I'll
          just direct it to you.</div>
        <div><span style="font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;,
            serif; font-size: 13.5pt;">My two cents' worth:</span></div>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:normal"><span
            style="font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;
            font-size: 13.5pt;">When I and my traveling companions were
            returning from Conclave 2008 in San Diego and we got to
            Missouri, we discovered that the highest octane available
            there was 91.  After filling up with that, both BJ8s missed
            and knocked and chugged until we got into Tennessee and
            refilled with 93 octane.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:normal"><span
            style="font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;
            font-size: 13.5pt;">Recently, a BJ8 owner called me to say
            he was in the area (300 miles from home) and his engine had
            begun to "click" under acceleration.  He thought it was a
            timing problem and wanted me to check that.  He mentioned
            that he had fueled up with non-ethanol.  Around here, some
            stations advertise "non-ethanol" but they neglect to say the
            octane was dropped from 93 (with ethanol) to 91 (without). 
            I suggested that he forget about non-ethanol and go with
            93.  After that, during his return home, he had no more
            "clicking" problems.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:normal"><span
            style="font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;
            font-size: 13.5pt;">Ethanol-laced gas has its own issues (as
            you might remember from my Black Hills narrative, I had some
            aggravating stumbling and missing as I left home, due to the
            bad ethanol that had been in the tank too long), especially
            if the car isn't used much; but as long as I stick with 93
            octane, at least the engine runs as it should.</span></p>
        <p class="MsoNormal"
          style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:normal"><span
            style="font-family: &quot;Times New Roman&quot;, serif;
            font-size: 13.5pt;">Cheers!<br>
            Steve</span></p>
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          style="margin-bottom:0in;line-height:normal"><br>
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        <br>
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        From: "N.S. Bennett"<br>
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        Sent: Sunday May 9 2021 2:39:24PM<br>
        Subject: Re: [Healeys] Vapor lock gas<br>
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        <div>Thanks for the link to the MV article on ethanol and vapor
          lock. It was a good read.
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Although I'm certain this has been debated (many times)
            before, what's the general consensus on octane rating when
            refueling our cars?</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>I've always used the highest.i can get. But reading that
            article has once again made me question my practice.</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Interested in the list's thoughts...</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
          <div>Cheers!</div>
          <div>Nathan</div>
          <div>'66 BJ8</div>
          <div><br>
          </div>
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