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Re: Fire system plumbing

To: "Keith Turk" <kturk@ala.net>, "Chuck Rothfuss" <crothfuss@coastalnet.com>,
Subject: Re: Fire system plumbing
From: John Beckett <johnbeck@blueridge.cc.nc.us>
Date: Fri, 12 Mar 1999 10:11:30 -0500
        Anybody try 'Russell' to see if they have their anodized aluminum line 
in
1/4" size. The 3/8" is only $24. for 25 feet. And you don't have to paint it. 
        Undercoat, wash and trade. Best way to handle the tow vehicle.

        JB

At 01:31 AM 3/12/99 -0800, Keith Turk wrote:
>wonderful point... I am painting the hell out of everything on this rag of
>a car.. hey Wal-Mart had a special.. it is every color in the Rainbow...
>J/K but seriously the aircraft I flew had lots of special requirements...
>but mostly they had to have paint on parts to be protected... the car when
>I bought it had very little paint on the bottom... and one trip to the salt
>tells me that a fells couldn't make a worse mistake.... so now everything
>is getting a really good coat of paint.. I am sure it will rust all the
>same... but at least I gave it a good try...
>
>I am really worried about my new truck and the effects of a week on the
>salt with it... anyone out there done anything that worked on a new
>vehicle?.... I really didn't want to undercoat it... if it comes back to
>bad I will simply trade it in on another.... and let it go down the Road
>only to destroy the next new one in 2000
>
>Keith Turk 
>Austin Healey 100  /  Bugeye / Box Sprite / Bonneville Land Speed Racer
>Camaro ( D Gas Altered )
>
>----------
>> From: Chuck Rothfuss <crothfuss@coastalnet.com>
>> To: land-speed@autox.team.net
>> Subject: Fire system plumbing
>> Date: Thursday, March 11, 1999 8:02 PM
>> 
>> List,
>> 
>>   How about -4 AN braided stainless hose?  Speedway has it for $4.25 a
>foot,
>> and I think Jeg's was slightly cheaper.  My system came with it, and it
>was
>> sure easy to install.  That oughto solve the salt problems.  If you don't
>> like braided hose, how about a good coat of paint.  We do something
>that's
>> similar to the mess at Bonneville when we drive military vehicles onto
>the
>> beach from landing craft.  A good fresh water wash and a salt water check
>of
>> the fluids and they're good as new.  I wouldn't try that with my Jeep,
>but
>> with the CARC (Chemical Agent Resistant Coating) paint and heavy
>> undercoating that these trucks get we really don't have too much trouble.
>> Just a thought.
>> 
>> Chuck Rothfuss
>> ECTA 
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> At 07:56 AM 3/11/99 -0500, you wrote:
>> >Only problem with steel is it's reaction to salt. Not that alumium
>doesn't
>> >too, but it's not as bad as that rust.
>> >
>> >JB
>> >
>> >At 07:53 PM 3/10/99 -0500, Chuck Rothfuss wrote:
>> >>Gents,
>> >>
>> >>  I've gotto make a couple observations about the use of aluminum tube
>for
>> >>fire system plumbing.  Aluminum may be light and easy to work with, but
>it's
>> >>also prone to being squashed.  How many times have you been working on
>the
>> >>car when you bang things around inside your car?  Helmets, tools, heavy
>fuel
>> >>cans, the occasional lawn chair.  Doesn't take much to smash an
>aluminum
>> >>tube enough that it wouldn't allow free halon flow. 
>> >>
>> >>  I know you can't be that concerned about weight to not go with 1/4"
>steel
>> >>tubing, or even -4 braided steel.  Both of these are a lot better
>suited to
>> >>the real world inside our cars.  1/4" steel tubing is cheap too at
>under $20
>> >>for 25 feet.  
>> >>
>> >>  If you really must have 1/4" aluminum tubing I can probably find you
>an
>> >>aircraft supplier at work tomorrow, but it will be a bit more than $20
>for a
>> >>25' roll.  Pegasus (800-688-6946) should have all the fittings you
>need.
>> >>
>> >>  Hope this helps.
>> >>
>> >>Chuck "What was that noise?" Rothfuss
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>
>> >>At 01:35 PM 3/10/99 -0500, John Beckett wrote:
>> >>>Let us know if you find the 1/4" aluminum tube and fittings.
>> >>>
>> >>>JB
>> >>>
>> >>>At 10:58 AM 3/10/99 -0800, Keith Turk wrote:
>> >>>>well if I look real close and use my imagination.... I might be
>capable of
>> >>>>justifying a little leak in the Manifold Gasket... I hate this
>part... the
>> >>>>guessing thing .... there was so little water in the oil that none
>was
>> >>>>standing.... just came out a little milky... I was running Kendall
>which
>> >>>>may account for it not separating as easily... something about ash..
>Hell I
>> >>>>don't remember what the engine builder said... but he was going to
>pressure
>> >>>>test the block today and that should help...answer the question....
>> >>>>
>> >>>>gotta go find me some aluminum 1/4 inch tubing for the new fire
>system... 
>> >>>>
>> >>>>Keith Turk 
>> >>>>Austin Healey 100  /  Bugeye / Box Sprite / Bonneville Land Speed
>Racer
>> >>>>Camaro ( D Gas Altered )
>> >>>>
>> >>>>----------
>> >>>>> From: John Beckett <johnbeck@blueridge.cc.nc.us>
>> >>>>> To: Keith Turk <kturk@ala.net>; land-speed@autox.team.net
>> >>>>> Subject: Re: Fw: another long day
>> >>>>> Date: Wednesday, March 10, 1999 7:03 AM
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> Sorry to here about the water. The best laid plans of mice and men,
>and
>> >>>>all
>> >>>>> that stuff. At least you have another motor to step up to. Maybe
>you'll
>> >>>>get
>> >>>>> lucky and find a head problem. You were going to change those
>anyway,
>> >>>>right.
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> JB
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> 
>> >>>>> At 06:22 PM 3/9/99 -0800, Keith Turk wrote:
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >yeah.. and today wasn't one I would call a record day.... found
>some
>> >>>>water
>> >>>>> >in the oil of the C motor I was going to run in a couple of weeks
>..
>> >>>>> >pulled it out to put the new heads and cam on it... damn sam....
>> >>>>couldn't
>> >>>>> >find a gasket problem... so we are going to the Local motor shop
>to
>> >>>>check
>> >>>>> >it out... not good...
>> >>>>> >I am worried about it having froze this winter... not likely but
>> >>>>> >possible... we don't have that many cold days here but the few we
>had
>> >>>>could
>> >>>>> >have been deadly... hmmm  Oh well it doesn't really matter other
>then I
>> >>>>had
>> >>>>> >this great plan put together.... now it is all up in the air...
>You
>> >>>>gotta
>> >>>>> >love it... 
>> >>>>> >
>> >>>>> >----------
>> >>>>> >> From: V4GR@aol.com
>> >>>>> >> To: kturk@ala.net
>> >>>>> >> Subject: Re: another long day
>> >>>>> >> Date: Tuesday, March 09, 1999 9:47 AM
>> >>>>> >> 
>> >>>>> >> In '78 we were running on a 103mph record or something like
>that. I
>> >>>>had
>> >>>>> >my 32
>> >>>>> >> five window stock roof with a 270 GMC and 2 Corvair turbos.
>Didn't
>> >>>>cost
>> >>>>> >much
>> >>>>> >> and went 158 one way. My Vega has run in BGas/Alt with a fourbbl
>460
>> >>>>Ford
>> >>>>> >> (198) and a more expensive 455 Pontiac ( not mine-208 mph) and
>now
>> >>>>with a
>> >>>>> >392
>> >>>>> >> which is given parts from a boat racer who stepped up to a KB
>and swap
>> >>>>> >meet
>> >>>>> >> stuff. No new parts and I expect it might run around 200. No
>records
>> >>>>> >there.
>> >>>>> >> Jack Costallas liner is so slick that I think my Nissan V6 in
>his car
>> >>>>> >should
>> >>>>> >> be ok. We are hoping for 260 on a 220 record. We'll see. He went
>332
>> >>>>with
>> >>>>> >a
>> >>>>> >> 302 sbc using a 4bbl manifold and 4 Quadjet secondary
>butterflies for
>> >>>>his
>> >>>>> >own
>> >>>>> >> injectors.
>> >>>>> >> We all plan this so well we should be able to phone in results,
>and
>> >>>>BNI
>> >>>>> >mail
>> >>>>> >> out trophies. But no, we have to see what happens on the salt.  
>     
>> >>>> 
>> >>>>> >See
>> >>>>> >> you there              Rich Fox
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