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Re: checking cubes

To: Phyllis Fields <fields.p@worldnet.att.net>
Subject: Re: checking cubes
From: tschoen <j82244@fuse.net>
Date: Wed, 16 Feb 2000 05:59:53 -0500
Bill, incredibly insightfull-feel like I just got out of a college 
course-thanks.
                                                              Tim Schoeny

Phyllis Fields wrote:

> Group,
>     The P & G Company made the first cylinder displacement testers. The 
>tester measures the volume of air displaced by a cylinder.
>      Since the air entering the engine being tested is at ambient 
>temperature, it will expand when it comes into contact with a hot cylinder, 
>head
> piston or valve. Thus the volume of air pushed back into the tester will be 
>greater then it was when it was inducted into the cylinder. In order
> to get a reasonable measurement it is necessary to know both the ambient air 
>temperature and the temperature of the heated air when it is
> pushed back into the tester. Fuel residue in a cylinder may also cause the 
>reading to be inaccurate because the vapor pressure of the sample
> is different than a plain air sample.Cold motors can also present problems. 
>Cold engines tend to have more ring leakage. Valve leakage can
> also cause errors in the measurement. Normally an inspector should take the 
>measurement several times to insure that he is getting the right
> measurement. The condition of the tester is also important. As a matter of 
>fact I just purchased a new tester for use at Maxton this year. I
> have played with it a little at the shop and find that it usually repeats 
>values within 1/2 %. Due to the variations in engine condition and
> temperature & pressure measurement as well as a slight variation in inertia 
>of the air, due to varied cranking speeds of the motor, the tester is
> not used to certify measurements within 3%.
>     Most engine builders do not take special precautions to make displacement 
>calculations at a specific temperature. I usually measure bore
> in a race motor at 175 degrees. My hone is equipped with an oil heater and 
>the block and torque plates are allowed to temperature stabalize
> prior to the honing operation, but most of the other measurements are taken 
>at shop temperature. Measuring the bore at 175 degrees
> requires good gloves and a lon handle on the bore gauge.
>     If the engine has to be subjected to a physical measurement then that 
>measurement should be made at the ambient temperature. Unbolting
> the head from a hot motor can cause a lot of unnecessary warpage, and it is 
>not exactly comfortable for a mechanic to disassemble a hot
> motor.
>      Many racers chose to have the engine sealed and torn down at a later 
>time. Since these engines are usually measured cold, then in all
> fairness all engines should be measured cold. Also if you have inspected 
>engines you know that everybody wants to run all day and have the
> inspection done at 6 PM. Since the inspector can't do every engine at once 
>some engines will again have to be measured cold. If you want to
> get really close in inspections we could set a temperature standard and 
>factor in the thermal expansion rate of the material being measured,
> but is that really necessary.
>      Many round de round racers use cylinders of different sizes. Some short 
>track engines are build with larger right side cylinders since
> centrifical force tends to throw the fuel mixture to the outside of the motor 
>when cornering. Other long track motors are build with larger
> center cylinders since the four barrel manifold usually feeds those cylinders 
>better. Other builders make 5 & 7 smaller since they are next to
> each other in the firing order and draw from the same area of the manifold. 
>But the inspector gets to choose the cylinders he wants to
> inspect.
>     As far as the point in the cylinder that is measured for bore, I think 
>that it should be at the top above the ring wear area. This portion of
> the cylinder is the same size as it was when the engine was assembled. If the 
>rest of the cylinder has worn more than several thousands of an
> inch the motor probably won't be in the impound area anyhow!
>      Lastly I would like to mention Dan Warner, I have been present when he 
>measured engines. Dan used good equipment in a very
> professional mannner. I only hope to do as good a job as Dan does.
>     Bill Mackey


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