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Re: [Land-speed] OT: Green House Gases.. and an Electrolysis

To: <Jimwprice@aol.com>, "DR MAYF" <drmayf@mayfco.com>
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Green House Gases.. and an Electrolysis
From: "joseph lance" <jolylance@earthlink.net>
Date: Mon, 9 Jul 2007 01:16:22 -0400
Gentlemen (and Ladies);

Mayf just asked some interesting technical questions, maybe "off-topic" but
certainly not political

Water-fueled cars are either outright frauds or attempts to create perpetual
motion machines. For some good descriptions go to the Wikipedia (free
encyclopedia) web site and look up "Water fuel cell" and "Water-fuelled
car".  During my long years in the advanced energy business at Westinghouse
numerous people approached us and wanted us to invest in such "inventions",
but they always either refused to let us examine their devices or would not
explain them in terms of technical principles.

My version of the greenhouse/global warming effect is as follows:

--the earth is warmed by solar radiation which is visible light, full
spectrum radiation

--the earth must reflect some of the radiation back into space to stay in
constant temperature equilibrium.

--the reflected thermal radiation consists solely of longer wave length
infrared radiation--this is the key point.

--some of the infrared radiation interacts with, and heats, the so-called
greenhouse gases (CO2, Methane) which is good because it maintains the earth
at a liveable temperature.

--increasing (or decreasing) amounts of greenhouse gas in the atmosphere
increases ( or decreases) the earth's equilibrium temperature.

--the process is naturally cyclic which is why we have periodic ice ages.

--the solar output of the sun is also cyclic and presently in one of it's
peak output periods

--proponents of the "global warming" issue claim that human activities are
adding enough greenhouse gases to cause an increase in the equilibrium
temperature that will be higher than that of previous natural temperature
peaks--belief in this senario is not universal among scientists.

Mayf's question helped me think thru the above---it's not political (unless
a reader wants to make it so)

Lance




----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf@mayfco.com>
To: <Jimwprice@aol.com>
Cc: <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Sunday, July 08, 2007 10:37 PM
Subject: Re: [Land-speed] OT: Green House Gases.. and an Electrolysis
Question or 2..


> Hmmm, I wan't aware of any particualy odius political content to either
> of the 2 technical questions I asked. What part was political? Was it
> the part where I asked how the greenhouse gases work? Or the one that
> asked how to figure out electrolysis? Seems neither of those is
> particularly political.  The green house gases intrigue me and so why
> would I not ask a list that has a zillion people who might have some
> experience in these matters?  Ditto with electrolysis since I saw a TV
> clip where a guy claims he can drive his car on water. Has some kind of
> electrolysis doohickey that seems to be able to make enough h2 and o2 to
> assist in the operation of the motor in his car. Where's the politics in
> that?
> So, I will keep asking technical questions and prefacing them with "OT"
> which stands for off topic and for you to hit the delete key before
> engaging the message.
>
> mayf
>
> Jimwprice@aol.com wrote:
>
>>Please, please, please.  Keep the politics somewhere else. This is
>>supposed
>>to be an LSR site.
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