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Re: [Land-speed] Buckeye Bullet

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Subject: Re: [Land-speed] Buckeye Bullet
From: David Dymaxion <david_dymaxion@yahoo.com>
Date: Tue, 29 Sep 2009 10:13:51 -0700 (PDT)
This is a good question. A good standard might be what is the ultimate energy 
source carried on board the vehicle? This eliminates the nuke/coal/diesel 
generator part of the equation. If you pump hydrogen into the vehicle, who 
cares if it is burned, fuel celled, or fused? May the best hydrogen system win. 
This would also make a hybrid vehicle a gasoline vehicle.

It is because of debates like this that the electric car crowd clarifies by 
saying "Battery Electric Vehicle."

----- Original Message ----- 
From: "drmayf" <drmayf@mayfco.com>
To: "LSR" <land-speed@autox.team.net>
Sent: Tuesday, September 29, 2009 9:29 AM
Subject: [Land-speed] Buckeye Bullet

> Dale Pulju sent me a note about the Buckeye Bullet setting a record of 300 
> + mph with Hydrogen.  Now this brings an interesting question or two. But 
> first, I say well done to that effort!  Now the questions: they  had 
> previously set a record using batteries. Batteries are electric storage 
> devices. So the record was listed as an electrical record. Good enough I 
> say. But now another record is claimed as a hydrogen record. Yet the car's 
> drive system was electrical.  Hydrogen (actually hydrogen and oxygen mix) 
> was used to produce electricity which powered the car.  So was the 
> original record using batteries really a gasoline record because the 
> batteries that supplied the power were charged via some generator? Or Nuke 
> because the electrons came from that?  With the H2O2 and the fuel cells 
> generating electrons I believe that the record is really an electrical 
> one.  Think hard about this. Do the rule making authorities need new 
> definitions of what actually powers a vehicle?  Take  a hybrid vehicle. 
> Doesn't the gasoline motor provide most of the power? If so, why is it 
> called a hybrid?  If I could put a gasoline powered generator in a car and 
> use the gen power to run the electric motor that drives the wheels, would 
> that be electrical or fossil fuel powered?  It cannot run without gasoline 
> so is it defined as a petroleum powered car or electrical. Isn't that what 
> a hybrid is?  Me, I think that the drive mechanism has to be primarily 
> fueled by something directly and that should be the definition. for 
> instance the car that Jesse James used had a true hydrogen motor. The fuel 
> was directly powering the vehicle.  The Ford Fusion and the Buckeye Bullet 
> used electric drive to move the vehicle and I think that is electrical. 
> Not hydrogen.
>
>
> Any thoughtful comments out there? I am sitting here waiting for parts....
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