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RE: Jap=Ripoff?

To: "Phil Bates" <jello@dns.ida.net>, "doug russell" <dr-doug@classic.msn.com>
Subject: RE: Jap=Ripoff?
From: Larry Macy <macy@bblmail.psycha.upenn.edu>
Date: Fri, 22 Aug 97 11:00:07 -0400
The Yugo is an exact replica of the FIAT BRAVO. I worked for a Fiat 
dealer when that hunka junk came out. Yes they bought the plans but also 
the dies and tooling direct from Fiat.

Larry Macy
78 Midget

>Your message below about the Yugo is totally and 100% incorrect!  The Yugo 
>was a direct rip off of a lousy Fiat that had failed in all markets several 
>years before 1980 (when the Yugo was introduced).  I believe Yugo even 
>bought the plans and rights on it, but I would have to check a lot of things 
>to be sure of that.
>
>><< I defy you to find a single car that was developed in a vacuum.  
>>
>><snip>
>>
>>Ever hear of the Yugo?  Apparently it was designed by a communist Smurf in a 
>>vacuum left in some closet with no light!
>>
>>Sorry, I promised myself I wouldn't, but couldn't resist, so consider 
yourself 
>
>>defied!
>>
>>Dr. Doug 
>>
>>Three complete assemblages of British car parts - 69 vintage.
>> 
>><end snip>
>> Elements of any car can be found in earlier cars, the only 
>> difference is how public the automaker is about admitting it.  Not 
>> that I think it's necessarily a bad thing.  I dont' want to deal 
>> with an automaker that tries to totally re-invent the automobile with 
>> every new model they build.
>>      I think that the Japanese have given us a lot of improvements in 
>> terms of safety, reliability and fuel efficiency.  And for the rest 
>> of the sour grapes, you have to ask yourself who's still selling cars 
>> in LARGE numbers, and who isn't?     
>>   It's kind of like Bill Gates.  Everybody likes to bash him, but 
>> with $35 billion, he must be doing something right.  With the sales 
>> figures Japanese car companies have, they might be somewhere on the 
>> right track.  As for the Miata being an MG knockoff (Not that you 
>> said it, Ray, but others have.)  Where was the MGB when Mazda 
>> released the Miata?  I think that a Miata is about as close to the 
>> essence of an MGB as you're going to get, while still keeping in all 
>> the federally-mandated bells and whistles, as well as the level of 
>> reliability most people have come to expect.  I think the fact that 
>> they're still selling so well after nine years with the same body 
>> should tell you something.   
>>      Don't get me wrong, I love my MGB, but I don't think automotive 
>> design had its birth in England, nor do I think it ended in 1980. 
>> Scott
>> Scott Gardner
>> gardner@lwcomm.com
>> www.lwcomm.com/~gardner
>> 
>> 
>> -  >>
>>Scott,
>> You are correct in the statement that no car has been developed in a vacuum.
>> But my observation still stands: the Miata is nothing more than  a
>>replica/repro of the Lotus Elan.  Yes, it's updated (it couldn't be sold
>>otherwise), and yes, it's a neat little car.  BUT.....MG's tried hard to make
>>large improvements throughout the companies' existence; in short, no looking
>>back.  The Miata is a redo of a 60's car.
>>As for the grapes.... I enjoy mine and drive it often (well, before the B
>>kneecapped me....)  It does most things well, but it's not a ground breaker.
>>The Japanese auto makers are generally very conservative in their design
>>changes.  This has served them well for the most part.  The fact that the
>>Miata is selling well with the same body says a lot about the original
>>Lotus......
>>Don't know Bill Gates...like his house, though.
>>I don't say that auto design began and ended in GB.  By 1980, you must
>>remember that the B design was 20 years old.....unheard of as far as sports
>>cars are concerned.
>>Time passed the B by because of short sightedness on the part of several
>>people....now the F is here, and the F IS the spirit of the MG. 
>>Safety Fast!
>>
>>Regards,         Ray
>>
>>
>>
>Phil Bates
>58 MGA
>67 MGB
>75 Jaguar XJ12C
>66 Land Rover
>52 MG TD replicar (VW)
>86 Peugeot 505 Turbo Gle
>86 Honda Accord LX-i

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