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Re: [Mgs] FW: Overdrive Diagram

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Subject: Re: [Mgs] FW: Overdrive Diagram
From: PaulHunt73 via Mgs <mgs@autox.team.net>
Date: Thu, 24 Jan 2019 08:45:20 -0000 Jg7Os/fdjc/GEJPqsxPwglAXmMGh6/ZYTINSfwMBdaEbb504B65dITlU
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The main difference between the earlier black label on all chrome bumper =
cars and the later blue label ODs on all rubber bumper cars is speedo =
gearing - the black label is 1280 turns per mile and the blue label is =
1000 turns - a very significant different to speedo reading if you use =
the 'other' one.  This change was made on RHD cars as well and they =
always had OD on 3rd and 4th.  OD was restricted on North American spec =
cars only for the 1977 year on as part of emissions reduction, tied in =
with the 4th gear only vacuum advance system.

But never mind swapping the OD, it beggars belief that they could give =
it back with it still not working after having it all that time!  You =
could take it back, but I wouldn't based on previous experience.  You =
can check for electrical continuity by putting an ammeter in series with =
the manual switch.  With the ignition on, in 4th gear, and the manual =
switch on, you should see about an amp flowing.  If not then you will =
have to check for 12v on each side of the gearbox switch to see where =
you have 12v and where you don't.  As they had the gearbox out to change =
the OD it's quite likely they mucked up the connections there.  You can =
get at the switch by lowering the rear cross-member and going in through =
the top of the tunnel, exact method depends on which of your cars is =
involved.  But first peer up from below to check the wire from the =
solenoid cover is attached via a bullet connector to the sub-harness =
that goes over the gearbox, and both spades are on the switch, it should =
be just visible.

If you DO see an amp, then the problem is mechanical or hydraulic.  =
First thing would be to drop the solenoid and check that the plunger =
moves into the central position freely when powered, and the little ball =
bearing is present between plunger and cap =
http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/lhod.htm#5  Check all seals are sound, the =
one on the plunger is essential to develop pressure.  After that really =
it needs a high-pressure gauge to measure the pressure.  You could =
remove the pressure relief valve assembly and check it is complete and =
correctly assembled http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/goc.htm#3, ditto the =
pump, but you would still need the gauge to see if you have pressure or =
not.

PaulH.
  ----- Original Message -----=20


  The only difference is that the blue label unit only functions in 4th =
gear, not 3rd and 4th. Maybe you should try disabling the lockout switch.
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<DIV><FONT size=3D2>The main difference between the earlier black label =
on all=20
chrome bumper cars and the later blue label ODs on all rubber bumper =
cars is=20
speedo gearing - the black label is 1280 turns per mile and the blue =
label is=20
1000 turns - a very significant different to speedo reading if you use =
the=20
'other' one.&nbsp; This change was made on RHD cars as well and they =
always had=20
OD on 3rd and 4th.&nbsp; OD was restricted on North American spec cars =
only for=20
the 1977 year on as part of emissions reduction, tied in with the 4th =
gear only=20
vacuum advance system.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>But never mind swapping the OD, it beggars belief =
that they=20
could give it back with it still not working after having it all that=20
time!&nbsp; You could take it back, but I wouldn't based on previous=20
experience.&nbsp; You can check for electrical continuity by putting an =
ammeter=20
in series with the manual switch.&nbsp; With the ignition on, in 4th =
gear, and=20
the manual switch on, you should see about an amp flowing.&nbsp; If not =
then you=20
will have to check for 12v on each side of the gearbox switch to see =
where you=20
have 12v and where you don't.&nbsp; As they had the gearbox out to =
change the OD=20
it's quite likely they mucked up the connections there.&nbsp; You can =
get at the=20
switch by lowering the rear cross-member and going in through the top of =
the=20
tunnel, exact method depends on which of your cars is involved.&nbsp; =
But first=20
peer up from below to check the wire from the solenoid cover is attached =
via a=20
bullet connector to the sub-harness that goes over the gearbox, and both =
spades=20
are on the switch, it should be just visible.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>If you DO see an amp, then the problem is mechanical =
or=20
hydraulic.&nbsp; First thing would be to drop the solenoid and check =
that the=20
plunger moves into the central position freely when powered, and the =
little ball=20
bearing is present between plunger and cap <A=20
href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/lhod.htm#5";>http://www.mgb-stuff.org.=
uk/lhod.htm#5</A>&nbsp;=20
Check all seals are sound, the one on the plunger is essential to =
develop=20
pressure.&nbsp; After that really it needs a high-pressure gauge to =
measure the=20
pressure.&nbsp; You could remove the pressure relief valve assembly and =
check it=20
is complete and correctly assembled <A=20
href=3D"http://www.mgb-stuff.org.uk/goc.htm#3";>http://www.mgb-stuff.org.u=
k/goc.htm#3</A>,=20
ditto the pump, but you would still need the gauge to see if you have =
pressure=20
or not.</FONT></DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT>&nbsp;</DIV>
<DIV><FONT size=3D2>PaulH.</FONT></DIV>
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  <DIV style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </DIV>
  <DIV><FONT size=3D2></FONT><BR></DIV>The only difference is that the =
blue label=20
  unit only functions in 4th gear, not 3rd and 4th. Maybe you should try =

  disabling the lockout switch.</BLOCKQUOTE></BODY></HTML>

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