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I bought this 66 MGB roadster as a rolling shell in 2014, from a friend =
that works at the auction and was just flipping it. The story was it had =
been stored indoors along with a complete 1965 roadster since possibly =
the late 1970s (last registration on the =E2=80=9Cran when parked" car =
was 1978). No paperwork of any kind, and no plates, but it had a VIN in =
the 137XXX range, which made it a mid-67.
But the car had no reverse lamps, which made me dubious, and after it =
was trailered to the paint shop, they uncovered the chassis stamp, which =
was 97XXX, making it a very late 1966, which made more sense (this =
matched the instrument panel layout, as well). Looking at the VIN plate, =
the numbers were rather wobbly, like it had been hand stamped (well, =
they were all hand-stamped, but presumably by persons that were =
experienced at doing it).
After some contemplation, I decided my easiest way forward was to order =
a blank plate and stamp it with the correct numbers, so when it did go =
to DMV they would match. I did this after a web search to confirm that =
the numbers were not in use. As it turned out, the VIN inspection was =
carried out by a 20-something that had never worked with a pre-1969 =
vehicle of any kind, and didn=E2=80=99t even look at the chassis number =
(he would have had to go underneath with a flashlight and a mirror to =
see it, anyway).
I have no idea what the PO (presumably deceased) had been thinking of. =
Maybe he had several disassembled cars and just mixed up the tags. Or he =
acquired this shell with no VIN plate and just made one up, which seems =
rather negligent (also, it had a BMC 1967 secondary tag on it, which =
would have to have been transferred from a real 1967, I would think). =
Who knows? Doesn=E2=80=99t matter, now. It could hardly have been some =
kind of deception scheme or fraud, since an unrestored MGB shell, unlike =
your Maseratis or Ferraris, is not only practically valueless, the =
particular VIN digits have no significance whatsoever.
The discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and =
application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=9Cwrong" number, and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=
=9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number were smoothed out by using an =
independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not =
only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably =
helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just =
appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were =
correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low.
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Max Heim
'66 MGB
> On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs =
<mgs@autox.team.net> wrote:
>=20
> > I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99s attempted VIN swap.
>=20
> Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought my Maserati Biturbo E with a =
lost California title...and then a dead PO! It took me over a year to =
get that one straightened out! I ended up with a bond title, but the car =
is mine now and licensed as such.
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<html><head><meta http-equiv=3D"Content-Type" content=3D"text/html =
charset=3Dutf-8"></head><body style=3D"word-wrap: break-word; =
-webkit-nbsp-mode: space; -webkit-line-break: after-white-space;" =
class=3D"">I bought this 66 MGB roadster as a rolling shell in 2014, =
from a friend that works at the auction and was just flipping it. The =
story was it had been stored indoors along with a complete 1965 roadster =
since possibly the late 1970s (last registration on the =E2=80=9Cran =
when parked" car was 1978). No paperwork of any kind, and no plates, but =
it had a VIN in the 137XXX range, which made it a mid-67.<div =
class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">But the car had no =
reverse lamps, which made me dubious, and after it was trailered to the =
paint shop, they uncovered the chassis stamp, which was 97XXX, making it =
a very late 1966, which made more sense (this matched the instrument =
panel layout, as well). Looking at the VIN plate, the numbers were =
rather wobbly, like it had been hand stamped (well, they were all =
hand-stamped, but presumably by persons that were experienced at doing =
it).</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">After =
some contemplation, I decided my easiest way forward was to order a =
blank plate and stamp it with the correct numbers, so when it did go to =
DMV they would match. I did this after a web search to confirm that the =
numbers were not in use. As it turned out, the VIN inspection was =
carried out by a 20-something that had never worked with a pre-1969 =
vehicle of any kind, and didn=E2=80=99t even look at the chassis number =
(he would have had to go underneath with a flashlight and a mirror to =
see it, anyway).<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div =
class=3D"">I have no idea what the PO (presumably deceased) had been =
thinking of. Maybe he had several disassembled cars and just mixed up =
the tags. Or he acquired this shell with no VIN plate and just made one =
up, which seems rather negligent (also, it had a BMC 1967 secondary tag =
on it, which would have to have been transferred from a real 1967, I =
would think). Who knows? Doesn=E2=80=99t matter, now. It could hardly =
have been some kind of deception scheme or fraud, since an unrestored =
MGB shell, unlike your Maseratis or Ferraris, is not only practically =
valueless, the particular VIN digits have no significance =
whatsoever.</div><div class=3D""><br class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">The =
discrepancies in paperwork between the transfer of ownership and =
application for title, which were filed with the =E2=80=9Cold=E2=80=9D =
=E2=80=9Cwrong" number, and the VIN verification of the =E2=80=9Cnew=E2=80=
=9D =E2=80=9Ccorrect=E2=80=9D number were smoothed out by using an =
independent registration agent. Her services were invaluable. She not =
only saved me 3 or 4 trips to DMV purgatory, her credibility probably =
helped this peculiarity sail on through unquestioned. Basically, I just =
appended an affidavit saying we were mistaken about the number, and were =
correcting it. And her fee was ridiculously low.</div><div class=3D""><br =
class=3D""></div><div class=3D"">--<br class=3D""><div class=3D""><div =
style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
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after-white-space;" class=3D""><div style=3D"color: rgb(0, 0, 0); =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
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class=3D""><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: 13px; min-height: =
16px;" class=3D"">Max Heim</div><div style=3D"margin: 0px; font-size: =
13px;" class=3D"">'66 MGB</div></div></div>
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class=3D""><br class=3D""></div>
<br class=3D""><div><blockquote type=3D"cite" class=3D""><div =
class=3D"">On Apr 23, 2019, at 11:33 AM, Richard Lindsay via Mgs <<a =
href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; class=3D"">mgs@autox.team.net</a>> =
wrote:</div><br class=3D"Apple-interchange-newline"><div class=3D""><span =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; =
display: inline !important;" class=3D"">> I...sorted out the PO=E2=80=99=
s attempted VIN swap.</span><br style=3D"font-family: Verdana; =
font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; =
font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; =
text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: normal; =
word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" class=3D""><br =
style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; font-style: normal; =
font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; letter-spacing: normal; =
text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; text-transform: none; white-space: =
normal; word-spacing: 0px; -webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px;" =
class=3D""><span style=3D"font-family: Verdana; font-size: 12px; =
font-style: normal; font-variant-caps: normal; font-weight: normal; =
letter-spacing: normal; text-align: start; text-indent: 0px; =
text-transform: none; white-space: normal; word-spacing: 0px; =
-webkit-text-stroke-width: 0px; float: none; display: inline =
!important;" class=3D""> Gulp! Glad that's sorted. I bought =
my Maserati Biturbo E with a lost California title...and then a dead PO! =
It took me over a year to get that one straightened out! I ended up with =
a bond title, but the car is mine now and licensed as =
such.</span></div></blockquote></div><br =
class=3D""></div></div></body></html>=
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