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Re: [Mgs] Jaeger Dual Gauge Modern Replacement Accuracy & Calibration

from [Robert J. Guinness] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: mgs@autox.team.net
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Jaeger Dual Gauge Modern Replacement Accuracy & Calibration
From: "Robert J. Guinness" <guinness@stclegal.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 10:54:29 -0500
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
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Thanks Paul, helpful as always.=C2=A0 The Vendor did offer a refund if I=20
shipped it back.

On 7/20/2020 10:28 AM, PaulHunt73 wrote:
> =EF=BB=BF e-mail signature
> No you aren't, and they would say that as it's obviously their gauge=20
> that is faulty.=C2=A0 Installed I can't see cooling system pressure=20
> squeezing the bulb enough to boost the gas pressure and hence the=20
> gauge reading anywhere near 20 degrees.=C2=A0 I don't know the correlat=
ion=20
> between pressure and reading, but it may be similar to the oil section.
> I have often wondered whether the long (in an MGB at any rate)=20
> capillary tube being alongside the head in the engine compartment does=20
> add a little to the reading, as all the tube there could be at=20
> 100-plus degrees F=C2=A0in hot weather compared to less than 30 degrees=
 in=20
> very cold weather, with the bulb - presumably with a correctly working=20
> stat - being at 180F in both cases.
> If you were in the UK I'd say demand your money back as it's not fit=20
> for purpose,=C2=A0there are consumer protection rules, less easy if you=
 are=20
> in another country.=C2=A0 So many people these days just moan and don't=
=20
> demand corrective action, so there is little incentive for suppliers=20
> to up their game.=C2=A0 The simplest thing is to be aware of it, and=C2=
=A0take=20
> the same action when it reads 190 that you would at 212.=C2=A0 Moving t=
he=20
> needle could cause damage, but there may well be some negative reading=20
> that the stop prevents that would mean it wouldn't be 20 degrees off=20
> the stop when cold.=C2=A0 To me though, it would be more irritating to =
see=20
> that, than taking account of known under-reading, as I find in both my=20
> cars there can be significant differences in 'normal' running winter=20
> and summer'.=C2=A0 Unlike modern cars which I believe are computer=20
> controlled to prevent owner paranoia with 'normal' variations.
> PaulH.
>
>     ----- Original Message -----
>
>     I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA=C2=A0 from a vendor i=
n
>     England.=C2=A0=C2=A0...=C2=A0 The new gauge never got over a hairs =
width beyond 190.
>
>     I called the vendor and they intimated that I was crazy to test it
>     the way I did.=C2=A0 Am I?=C2=A0 Is there a better way to test it w=
ithout
>     installing it?=C2=A0 Or is installation and an infrared thermometer=
 a
>     preferable way to test it.
>
--=20
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Robert Guinness


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    <p>Thanks Paul, helpful as always.=C2=A0 The Vendor did offer a refun=
d if
      I shipped it back.<br>
    </p>
    <div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">On 7/20/2020 10:28 AM, PaulHunt73
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      <div><font size=3D"2">No you aren't, and they would say that as it'=
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          obviously their gauge that is faulty.=C2=A0 Installed I can't s=
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          cooling system pressure squeezing the bulb enough to boost the
          gas pressure and hence the gauge reading anywhere near 20
          degrees.=C2=A0 I don't know the correlation between pressure an=
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      <div><font size=3D"2">I have often wondered whether the long (in an
          MGB at any rate) capillary tube being alongside the head in
          the engine compartment does add a little to the reading, as
          all the tube there could be at 100-plus degrees F=C2=A0in hot
          weather compared to less than 30 degrees in very cold weather,
          with the bulb - presumably with a correctly working stat -
          being at 180F in both cases.</font></div>
      <div>=C2=A0</div>
      <div><font size=3D"2">If you were in the UK I'd say demand your
          money back as it's not fit for purpose,=C2=A0there are consumer
          protection rules, less easy if you are in another country.=C2=A0=
 So
          many people these days just moan and don't demand corrective
          action, so there is little incentive for suppliers to up their
          game.=C2=A0 The simplest thing is to be aware of it, and=C2=A0t=
ake the
          same action when it reads 190 that you would at 212.=C2=A0 Movi=
ng
          the needle could cause damage, but there may well be some
          negative reading that the stop prevents that would mean it
          wouldn't be 20 degrees off the stop when cold.=C2=A0 To me thou=
gh,
          it would be more irritating to see that, than taking account
          of known under-reading, as I find in both my cars there can be
          significant differences in 'normal' running winter and
          summer'.=C2=A0 Unlike modern cars which I believe are computer
          controlled to prevent owner paranoia with 'normal' variations.<=
/font></div>
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      <div><font size=3D"2">PaulH.</font></div>
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        <div style=3D"FONT: 10pt arial">----- Original Message ----- </di=
v>
        <p>I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA=C2=A0 from a ven=
dor
          in England.=C2=A0=C2=A0...=C2=A0 The new gauge never got over a=
 hairs width
          beyond 190.<br>
          <br>
          I called the vendor and they intimated that I was crazy to
          test it the way I did.=C2=A0 Am I?=C2=A0 Is there a better way =
to test
          it without installing it?=C2=A0 Or is installation and an infra=
red
          thermometer a preferable way to test it.</p>
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