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Re: [Mgs] Jaeger Dual Gauge Modern Replacement Accuracy & Calibration

from [Robert's New iPad] [Permanent Link][Original]
To: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>
Subject: Re: [Mgs] Jaeger Dual Gauge Modern Replacement Accuracy & Calibration
From: Robert's New iPad <mgbobh@gmail.com>
Date: Mon, 20 Jul 2020 12:07:50 -0400
Cc: "Robert J. Guinness" <guinness@stclegal.com>, mgs@autox.team.net
Delivered-to: mharc@autox.team.net
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   I did not read this thread from its beginning, thus my comments may be of=
f target.
   My assumption is that Bob put the bulb into a pan of boiling water, at wh=
ich time the gauge indicated 190F.  Unless he is testing about about 8500 ft=
 altitude, that 190F is low.   If he tested in boiling water near sea level,=
  Paul is spot on-it is an out-of-spec gauge.
   That is a good way to test gauges and thermostats, adjusting for altitude=
.=20
   It seems to me that contents of the tube alongside the engine=E2=80=99s h=
ead are already gaseous, thus heat added from the head would have insignific=
ant effect on the gauge reading.=20
  I infer that the vendor is not offering to replace the gauge.  If Bob want=
s to keep it and to install it, the infrared thermometer would allow him to c=
hart the difference between gauge reading and thermometer ready, hoping that=
 the error is linear.
  But then, there remains uncertainty about accuracy the oil pressure half o=
f the gauge....
Bob


> On Jul 20, 2020, at 11:28 AM, PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com> wrot=
e:
>=20
> No you aren't, and they would say that as it's obviously their gauge that i=
s faulty.  Installed I can't see cooling system pressure squeezing the bulb e=
nough to boost the gas pressure and hence the gauge reading anywhere near 20=
 degrees.  I don't know the correlation between pressure and reading, but it=
 may be similar to the oil section.=20
> =20
> I have often wondered whether the long (in an MGB at any rate) capillary t=
ube being alongside the head in the engine compartment does add a little to t=
he reading, as all the tube there could be at 100-plus degrees F in hot weat=
her compared to less than 30 degrees in very cold weather, with the bulb - p=
resumably with a correctly working stat - being at 180F in both cases.
> =20
> If you were in the UK I'd say demand your money back as it's not fit for p=
urpose, there are consumer protection rules, less easy if you are in another=
 country.  So many people these days just moan and don't demand corrective a=
ction, so there is little incentive for suppliers to up their game.  The sim=
plest thing is to be aware of it, and take the same action when it reads 190=
 that you would at 212.  Moving the needle could cause damage, but there may=
 well be some negative reading that the stop prevents that would mean it wou=
ldn't be 20 degrees off the stop when cold.  To me though, it would be more i=
rritating to see that, than taking account of known under-reading, as I find=
 in both my cars there can be significant differences in 'normal' running wi=
nter and summer'.  Unlike modern cars which I believe are computer controlle=
d to prevent owner paranoia with 'normal' variations.
> =20
> PaulH.
> =20
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> I bought a new "Jaeger" dual gauge for my MGA  from a vendor in England.  .=
..  The new gauge never got over a hairs width beyond 190.
>=20
> I called the vendor and they intimated that I was crazy to test it the way=
 I did.  Am I?  Is there a better way to test it without installing it?  Or i=
s installation and an infrared thermometer a preferable way to test it.
>=20
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