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10.5 V seems okay to me.
Well, I would first take the defective starter motor apart,
then determine what is wrong and then decide what to do.
Yes, there are better options now, but IMHO the original design was
quite adequate.
Bert.
Op 15-11-2020 om 14:47 schreef h.duinhoven@planet.nl:
>
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is
> on a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
>
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
>
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>
>
> Now there is a discussion:
>
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
>
> High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
>
> Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
>
> New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
>
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
>
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/startin=
g-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
> <https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starti=
ng-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/>
>
>
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
> <https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024>
>
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the
> alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
>
> They did a good job.
>
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 =
a new
> one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) o=
r have the
> original repaired=E2=80=A6
>
> Cheers,
>
> Hans
>
> *Van:* PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>
> *Verzonden:* dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> *Aan:* h.duinhoven@planet.nl
> *CC:* 'mglist' <mgs@autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com=
>
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
>
> Yes,=C2=A0measure the voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (adding th=
e two
> voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare
> that with the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid=C2=A0and
> starter body when cranking. The difference between the two is what is
> being lost in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
> be much more than that.
>
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=C2=A0i=
s the
> problem.
>
> PaulH.
>
> ----- Original Message -----
>
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
>
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the
> battery to chassis cable.
>
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
>
> Nothing helped so far.
>
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I
> assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.
>
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter
> motor +12V to the engine.
>
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled,
> this is logical.
>
> Nice winter job.
>
> *Van:* Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net
> *Verzonden:* donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> *Aan:* Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com
> *Onderwerp:* Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
>
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and
> obvious, now!) advice..............................
>
> Dan D
>
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/ <http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/>
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay
:
>
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a
> a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected, used the
> fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.
>
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase
>
> Hi all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0was off the road for 5 years,
> was recently returned to me from the shop. They added some
> new gas but did not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which
> was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
> running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the
> gas before I fill it up. It is currently showing as just
> under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallons or a little less
> (assuming gauge accuracy).
>
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if
> the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to
> move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
> up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a
> couple more gallons before I fill it up.
>
> Thx,
>
> Dan D
>
> '76B-=C2=A0 Getting There
>
> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
>
> Central NJ USA
>
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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<p>10.5 V seems okay to me.<br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Well, I would first take the defective starter motor apart, <br>
</p>
<p>then determine what is wrong and then decide what to do.</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>Yes, there are better options now, but IMHO the original design
was quite adequate. <br>
</p>
<p><br>
</p>
<p>=C2=A0</p>
Bert.<br>
<p><br>
</p>
<p><br>
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<div class=3D"moz-cite-prefix">Op 15-11-2020 om 14:47 schreef
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the posts while
cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder
if that=E2=80=99s a good value.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">The same value is measured on the starter
ingoing post.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.<=
o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>
Now there is a discussion:<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the starter or buy a new one.<o:p></o:p>=
</span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which=
is pricy<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC=
200,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00<o:p>=
</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter looking like a Lucas (white
labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/s=
tarting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product=
-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><a
href=3D"https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/=
082.024"
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">https://www.angloparts.com/en/catal=
ogues/part/26883/082.024</a>
<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair
shop, where the alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years
ago.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but
what is better =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 1=
52 or =E2=82=AC 135,00
at octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6<o:p></=
o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<div>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73
<a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73=
@virginmedia.com"><paulhunt73@virginmedia.com></a> <br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br>
<b>Aan:</b> <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-abbreviated" href=3D"ma=
ilto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br>
<b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=
=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";><mgs@autox.team.net></a>;
'MGB-Yahoo' <a class=3D"moz-txt-link-rfc2396E" href=3D"mailt=
o:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"><mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com></a><br>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning
Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">Yes,=
=C2=A0measure
the voltage=C2=A0right on the battery posts (adding the tw=
o
voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking,
then compare that with the voltage at the battery cable
stud on the solenoid=C2=A0and starter body when cranking.=
=C2=A0
The difference between the two is what is being lost in
the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't
be much more than that.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you
get much less than 10v at the battery posts then=C2=A0that=
=C2=A0is
the problem.</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.=
</span><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sa=
ns-serif">-----
Original Message ----- <o:p></o:p></span></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"background:#E4E4E4"><span
style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;mso-far=
east-language:EN-US"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Next job is the slow starter motor. <o:p></o:=
p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps
and the post of the battery to chassis cable.<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine
cable. <o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage
when cranking. I assume it will be o.k. as the battery is
new.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage
over the starter motor +12V to the engine.<o:p></o:p></span>=
</p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it
never was overhauled, this is logical.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job.<o:p></o:p></span></p>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US=
"
lang=3D"EN-GB"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></span></p>
<div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1
1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm">
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a
href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>>=
;
<b>Namens </b>Dan DiBiase<br>
<b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br>
<b>Aan:</b> Richard Lindsay <<a
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>>=
<br>
<b>CC:</b> mglist <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>;
MGB-Yahoo <<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br=
>
<b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied
with this excellent (and obvious, now!)
advice..............................<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<br clear=3D"all">
<o:p></o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><a
href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">http://=
dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
</div>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM
Richard Lindsay <<a
href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";
moz-do-not-send=3D"true">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>&g=
t;
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
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0pt">
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I had the same problem. I
disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose
and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to
pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p>
</div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>=C2=A0</o:p></p>
<div>
<div>
<p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan
DiBiase <<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com";
target=3D"_blank" moz-do-not-send=3D"true">dan.dibia=
se@gmail.com</a>>
wrote:<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Hi all.... My '76B, which=C2=A0=
was
off the road for 5 years, was recently returned to
me from the shop. They added some new gas but did
not siphon out the 5 year old gas (which was just
under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car is
running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most
of the gas before I fill it up. It is currently
showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6
gallons or a little less (assuming gauge
accuracy).=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">I was able to pump out about
2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the
hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking
up any additional gas. Would really like to
remove a couple more gallons before I fill it
up.<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Thx,=C2=A0<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p>
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">'76B-=C2=A0 Getting There<o:p=
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<p class=3D"MsoNormal">'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p>=
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