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The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of reliable o=
peration. =20
My 1972 =E2=80=98British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was t=
aken to a repair shop Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics sm=
ell and gone silent a week before. Some research found that Motorola made r=
adios for US dealers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. This seems to=
be one, and the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-qu=
ality sound.
Bob
> On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> <h.duinhoven@planet.n=
l> wrote:
>=20
> Here=E2=80=99s the latest update.
> A local workshop has overhauled the starter.
> New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe etc. new bearings and Bendix.=
> Placed the starter back in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts well=
again!
> A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.
> As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freezing nights, t=
he GT remains inside till spring.
> Battery on the tender=E2=80=A6
> =20
> Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventies).
> =20
> Thank you for all good advices.
> =20
> Cheers,
> Hans
> =20
> 71 BGT
> =20
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens h.duinhoven@planet.nl
> Verzonden: donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12
> Aan: 'Richard Lindsay' <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
> CC: 'mglist' <mgs@autox.team.net>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
> =20
> I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works well, but motor=
runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes.
> So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair shop. They=E2=80=99=
ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to do a repair, or a=
new starter is better.
> =20
> Cheers,
> Hans
> =20
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens Richard Lindsay
> Verzonden: zondag 15 november 2020 14:57
> Aan: Hans Duinhoven <h.duinhoven@planet.nl>
> CC: mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
> =20
> My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commutator on t=
he lathe and replace the brushes.
> =20
> On Sun, Nov 15, 2020, 7:48 AM <h.duinhoven@planet.nl> wrote:
> =20
> I measured the voltage on the posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is o=
n a digital meter, so I wonder if that=E2=80=99s a good value.
> The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.
> So no tension loss on the electrical circuits.
>=20
> Now there is a discussion:
> Repair the starter or buy a new one.
> High torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy
> Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 200,00
> New starter Powerlite =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00
> New starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00
> =20
> https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-=
system-mgb-electrical-mgb/
> =20
> https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024
> =20
> There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where the alternator ha=
s been repaired +/- 10 years ago.
> They did a good job.
> I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is better =E2=80=93 a n=
ew one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at octagonparts) or=
have the original repaired=E2=80=A6
> =20
> Cheers,
> Hans
> =20
> Van: PaulHunt73 <paulhunt73@virginmedia.com>=20
> Verzonden: dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41
> Aan: h.duinhoven@planet.nl
> CC: 'mglist' <mgs@autox.team.net>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas
> =20
> Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the two voltag=
es together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that with the v=
oltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter body when crank=
ing. The difference between the two is what is being lost in the connection=
s, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more than that.
> =20
> If you get much less than 10v at the battery posts then that is the proble=
m.
> =20
> PaulH.
> =20
> ----- Original Message -----
> =20
> Next job is the slow starter motor.
> I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery to c=
hassis cable.
> Also cleaned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable.
> Nothing helped so far.
> So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I assume it w=
ill be o.k. as the battery is new.
> Following step will be measuring the voltage over the starter motor +12V t=
o the engine.
> When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this is log=
ical.
> Nice winter job.
> =20
> Van: Mgs <mgs-bounces@autox.team.net> Namens Dan DiBiase
> Verzonden: donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26
> Aan: Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com>
> CC: mglist <mgs@autox.team.net>; MGB-Yahoo <mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com>
> Onderwerp: Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas
> =20
> OMG, duh! Thanks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now=
!) advice..............................
> =20
> Dan D
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
> =20
> =20
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <richardolindsay@gmail.com=
> wrote:
> I had the same problem. I disconnected the fuel hose, added a a long bit o=
f hose and with the coil disconnected, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel i=
nto jugs.
> =20
> On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan DiBiase <dan.dibiase@gmail.com> wrote:
> Hi all.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently retur=
ned to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5=
year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car=
is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fi=
ll it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallon=
s or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy).=20
> =20
> I was able to pump out about 2 gallons but am wondering if the interior of=
the tank is baffled, as I can't seem to move the hose beyond a certain area=
and it's not sucking up any additional gas. Would really like to remove a c=
ouple more gallons before I fill it up.
> =20
> Thx,=20
> =20
> Dan D
> '76B- Getting There
> '65B - Waiting It's Turn
> Central NJ USA
> http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/
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sp; The rebuilt starter should be on its way to another 40 years of re=
liable operation. </div><div dir=3D"ltr"> My 1972 =E2=80=98=
British Leyland=E2=80=99 radio, AM/FM, monophonic, was taken to a repair sho=
p Saturday for help. It had emitted a hot-electronics smell and gone silent a=
week before. Some research found that Motorola made radios for US dea=
lers to install in Jaguars, Triumphs and MGs. This seems to be one, an=
d the shop may be able to restore this one to its original low-quality sound=
.</div><div dir=3D"ltr">Bob</div><div dir=3D"ltr"><br></div><div dir=3D"ltr"=
><br>On Nov 30, 2020, at 8:10 AM, <<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.n=
l">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> <<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl=
">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>> wrote:<br><br></div><blockquote type=3D"cite=
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oNormal"><span style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Here=E2=80=99s the lates=
t update.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" s=
tyle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">A local workshop has overhauled the star=
ter. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=
=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">New brushes, commutator flattened on a lathe=
etc. new bearings and Bendix.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><=
span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Placed the starter b=
ack in the GT and it runs as new =E2=80=93 starts well again!<o:p></o:p></sp=
an></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-lang=
uage:EN-US">A nice tour in the late November sun was the reward.<o:p></o:p><=
/span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-l=
anguage:EN-US">As salt has been sprayed over the roads after the first freez=
ing nights, the GT remains inside till spring.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Bat=
tery on the tender=E2=80=A6<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><spa=
n lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></spa=
n></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-langu=
age:EN-US">Time for the other classics (3 Puch mopeds from the early seventi=
es).<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D=
"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Thank you for a=
ll good advices. <o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><p c=
lass=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"=
>Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" st=
yle=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hans<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> =
;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-f=
areast-language:EN-US">71 BGT<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><s=
pan lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></s=
pan></p><div><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;paddin=
g:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a href=3D"m=
ailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Name=
ns </b><a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br=
><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 19 november 2020 20:12<br><b>Aan:</b> 'Richard L=
indsay' <<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com";>richardolindsay@gma=
il.com</a>><br><b>CC:</b> 'mglist' <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.n=
et">mgs@autox.team.net</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking,=
was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareas=
t-language:EN-US">I have tested the starter outside of the car. Bendix works=
well, but motor runs poorly with lots of sparking over the brushes. <o:p></=
o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fare=
ast-language:EN-US">So I took your advice and it is now at the local repair s=
hop. They=E2=80=99ll disassemble it first, in order to see it is feasible to=
do a repair, or a new starter is better.<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US"><o:p>&nb=
sp;</o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso=
-fareast-language:EN-US">Cheers,<o:p></o:p></span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-language:EN-US">Hans<o:p></o:p></=
span></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><span lang=3D"EN-GB" style=3D"mso-fareast-la=
nguage:EN-US"><o:p> </o:p></span></p><div style=3D"border:none;border-t=
op:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><b>=
Van:</b> Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.team.net";>mgs-bounces@a=
utox.team.net</a>> <b>Namens </b>Richard Lindsay<br><b>Verzonden:</b> zon=
dag 15 november 2020 14:57<br><b>Aan:</b> Hans Duinhoven <<a href=3D"mail=
to:h.duinhoven@planet.nl">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a>><br><b>CC:</b> mglist=
<<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net";>mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; MGB-Y=
ahoo <<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com";>mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a=
>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></=
o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal">My vote is to have your local shop do the rebuild. Turn the commut=
ator on the lathe and replace the brushes.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"M=
soNormal"><o:p> </o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal">On Sun, Nov 1=
5, 2020, 7:48 AM <<a href=3D"mailto:h.duinhoven@planet.nl";>h.duinhoven@pl=
anet.nl</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;=
border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;=
margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">&nb=
sp;<o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;ms=
o-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">I measured the voltage on the=
posts while cranking =3D 10,5 volts. It is on a digital meter, so I wonder i=
f that=E2=80=99s a good value.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB">The same value is measured on the starter ingoing post.</span><o:p></o:=
p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">So no tension loss on the electrical circ=
uits.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><br>Now there is a d=
iscussion:</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Repair the star=
ter or buy a new one.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"m=
so-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">High=
torque starter =3D =E2=82=AC 325,00, which is pricy</span><o:p></o:p></p><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Original starter on exchange base =3D =E2=82=AC 2=
00,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-al=
t:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">New starter Powerlit=
e =3D =E2=82=AC 239,00</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">New=
starter looking like a Lucas (white labelled) =3D =E2=82=AC 135,00</span><o=
:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-mar=
gin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-catego=
rie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-system-mgb-electrical-mgb/" target=3D"_blank=
">https://www.octagonparts.nl/product-categorie/mgb/electrical-mgb/starting-=
system-mgb-electrical-mgb/</a> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"><a href=3D"htt=
ps://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024" target=3D"_blank">=
https://www.angloparts.com/en/catalogues/part/26883/082.024</a> </span><o:p>=
</o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin=
-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">There is a local electrical car parts repair shop, where t=
he alternator has been repaired +/- 10 years ago.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:aut=
o"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">They did a good job.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">I assume they can fix the starter as well, but what is bet=
ter =E2=80=93 a new one (Angloparts =3D =E2=82=AC 152 or =E2=82=AC 135,00 at=
octagonparts) or have the original repaired=E2=80=A6</span><o:p></o:p></p><=
p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt=
:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNorma=
l" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D=
"EN-GB">Cheers,</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-mar=
gin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Hans </spa=
n><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso=
-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p></p><d=
iv><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0c=
m 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margi=
n-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b> PaulHunt73 <<a href=3D"mailto:paulhunt73@v=
irginmedia.com" target=3D"_blank">paulhunt73@virginmedia.com</a>> <br><b>=
Verzonden:</b> dinsdag 10 november 2020 11:41<br><b>Aan:</b> <a href=3D"mail=
to:h.duinhoven@planet.nl" target=3D"_blank">h.duinhoven@planet.nl</a><br><b>=
CC:</b> 'mglist' <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank"=
>mgs@autox.team.net</a>>; 'MGB-Yahoo' <<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoog=
roups.com" target=3D"_blank">mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:=
</b> Re: [Mgs] Slow cranking, was Siphoning Gas<o:p></o:p></p></div></div><p=
class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:=
auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-mar=
gin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt=
">Yes, measure the voltage right on the battery posts (adding the t=
wo voltages together if twin 6v batteries) when cranking, then compare that w=
ith the voltage at the battery cable stud on the solenoid and starter b=
ody when cranking. The difference between the two is what is being los=
t in the connections, a volt or so is normal but it shouldn't be much more t=
han that.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"ms=
o-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0pt">If you get much less than 10v=
at the battery posts then that is the problem.</span><o:p></o:p><=
/p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-ma=
rgin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D=
"font-size:10.0pt">PaulH.</span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNor=
mal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p=
></o:p></p></div></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid bl=
ack 1.5pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 4.0pt;margin-left:3.75pt;margin-top:5.0pt;marg=
in-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-m=
argin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span style=3D"font-size:10.0=
pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif">----- Original Message ----- </=
span><o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-to=
p-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto;background:#E4E4E4"><span lang=3D"EN-G=
B" style=3D"font-size:10.0pt;font-family:"Arial",sans-serif;color:=
black"> </span><o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Next j=
ob is the slow starter motor. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" s=
tyle=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN=
-GB">I already cleaned the battery posts clamps and the post of the battery t=
o chassis cable.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Also clea=
ned thoroughly the chassis to engine cable. </span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><sp=
an lang=3D"EN-GB">Nothing helped so far.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"Ms=
oNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span l=
ang=3D"EN-GB">So next will be verifying the battery voltage when cranking. I=
assume it will be o.k. as the battery is new.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=
=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">=
<span lang=3D"EN-GB">Following step will be measuring the voltage over the s=
tarter motor +12V to the engine.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal"=
style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"=
EN-GB">When o.k., the starter is suspect. As it never was overhauled, this i=
s logical.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB">Nice winter job=
.</span><o:p></o:p></p><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:au=
to;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"><span lang=3D"EN-GB"> </span><o:p></o:p>=
</p><div style=3D"border:none;border-top:solid #E1E1E1 1.0pt;padding:3.0pt 0=
cm 0cm 0cm"><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-marg=
in-bottom-alt:auto"><b>Van:</b> Mgs <<a href=3D"mailto:mgs-bounces@autox.=
team.net" target=3D"_blank">mgs-bounces@autox.team.net</a>> <b>Namens </b=
>Dan DiBiase<br><b>Verzonden:</b> donderdag 22 oktober 2020 22:26<br><b>Aan:=
</b> Richard Lindsay <<a href=3D"mailto:richardolindsay@gmail.com"; target=
=3D"_blank">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>><br><b>CC:</b> mglist <<a hr=
ef=3D"mailto:mgs@autox.team.net"; target=3D"_blank">mgs@autox.team.net</a>>=
;; MGB-Yahoo <<a href=3D"mailto:mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com"; target=3D"_blank"=
>mg-mgb@yahoogroups.com</a>><br><b>Onderwerp:</b> Re: [Mgs] Siphoning Gas=
<o:p></o:p></p></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto=
;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal=
" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">OMG, duh! Tha=
nks to all that replied with this excellent (and obvious, now!) advice......=
........................<o:p></o:p></p><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"=
mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></d=
iv><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-b=
ottom-alt:auto">Dan D<br clear=3D"all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"=
><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; target=3D"_blank">http://dandi=
biase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNorm=
al" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p>=
</o:p></p></div></div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:aut=
o;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"Mso=
Normal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu,=
Oct 22, 2020 at 4:13 PM Richard Lindsay <<a href=3D"mailto:richardolinds=
ay@gmail.com" target=3D"_blank">richardolindsay@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p=
></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"border:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1=
.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-rig=
ht:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-=
top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I had the same problem. I disconnec=
ted the fuel hose, added a a long bit of hose and with the coil disconnected=
, used the fuel pump to pump old fuel into jugs.<o:p></o:p></p></div><p clas=
s=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"=
> <o:p></o:p></p><div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-t=
op-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">On Thu, Oct 22, 2020, 3:02 PM Dan Di=
Biase <<a href=3D"mailto:dan.dibiase@gmail.com"; target=3D"_blank">dan.dib=
iase@gmail.com</a>> wrote:<o:p></o:p></p></div><blockquote style=3D"borde=
r:none;border-left:solid #CCCCCC 1.0pt;padding:0cm 0cm 0cm 6.0pt;margin-left=
:4.8pt;margin-top:5.0pt;margin-right:0cm;margin-bottom:5.0pt"><div><p class=3D=
"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">Hi a=
ll.... My '76B, which was off the road for 5 years, was recently return=
ed to me from the shop. They added some new gas but did not siphon out the 5=
year old gas (which was just under 1/2 tank when I had it towed in. The car=
is running pretty rough so I want to siphon out most of the gas before I fi=
ll it up. It is currently showing as just under 1/2 tank, so around 6 gallon=
s or a little less (assuming gauge accuracy). <o:p></o:p></p><div><p cl=
ass=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:aut=
o"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margi=
n-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">I was able to pump out about 2 ga=
llons but am wondering if the interior of the tank is baffled, as I can't se=
em to move the hose beyond a certain area and it's not sucking up any additi=
onal gas. Would really like to remove a couple more gallons before I fill it=
up.<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top=
-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p cla=
ss=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto=
">Thx, <o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-ma=
rgin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto"> <o:p></o:p></p></div><di=
v><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-=
alt:auto">Dan D<o:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso=
-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">'76B- Getting There<o=
:p></o:p></p></div><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:a=
uto;mso-margin-bottom-alt:auto">'65B - Waiting It's Turn<o:p></o:p></p></div=
><div><p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bot=
tom-alt:auto">Central NJ USA<br clear=3D"all"><o:p></o:p></p><div><div><div>=
<p class=3D"MsoNormal" style=3D"mso-margin-top-alt:auto;mso-margin-bottom-al=
t:auto"><a href=3D"http://dandibiase.cbintouch.com/"; target=3D"_blank">http:=
//dandibiase.cbintouch.com/</a><o:p></o:p></p></div></div></div></div></div>=
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