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Re: Re[2]: Morgan LPG Power

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Subject: Re: Re[2]: Morgan LPG Power
From: "Gerry Willburn" <Gerry_Willburn@qmail4.nba.TRW.COM>
Date: 20 Dec 1996 12:17:45 -0700
To further the discussion on propane (LPG) powered MORGANs, Steve is close to 
the truth on the history.  It was never a question of whether a gasoline 
powered Rover V8 with Catalytic Converters could pass the EPA standards.  One 
has only to look at the numbers of privately imported (Gray Market) MORGANs of 
the period to verify this.

It was, as Steve said, the amount of testing necessary to certify the gasoline 
powered car which drove the conversion to LPG.  A secondary consideration was 
the fuel tank placement.  It was doubted that the fuel tank placement behind 
the rear axle would pass the DOT requirements.  For various reasons (including 
the life expectancy of 1970s fuel cells) a fuel cell was not considered a 
viable option at that time.

Bill Fink / ISIS Imports worked closely with the MORGAN Works to develop the 
necessary under scuttle roll hoops and the door beams with reinforced hinges 
and latches as well as the other DOT requirements.  In fact, most of these 
modifications have become either standard on new MORGANs or are now options.

It is interesting to note that when CANTAB was formed in the mid 1980s, their 
stated purpose was to provide gasoline MORGANs in the U.S.A.  They soon became 
bogged down in the bureaucracy and also went to LPG conversion.

In the late 1980s California, one of Bill's largest markets refused to accept 
the EPA exemptions for LPG and required just about the same testing as for 
gasoline.  At this time Bill "bit the bullet" and conducted the necessary tests 
(including crash tests to certify the fuel tank placement) and has had MORGANs 
certified for gasoline for several years now.  I believe CANTAB has as well, 
but I do not know for sure.

So the bottom line is as Steve said. The LPG issue was never to do with 
cleanliness, but was all to do with bureaucracy.

Gerry Willburn

P.S. My son's wife Lynn has had a propane 4/4 since new in 1978 and is quite 
pleased with it other than the need for a bit of discipline in planning fuel 
stops.

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Date: 12/17/96 3:14 PM
To: Willburn, Gerry
From: Steve Manwell

     .............................................................  The whole 
point (as I 
     understand it) of setting up Morgans imported to the US to run on 
     propane in the late '70's and early '80's was that EPA required very 
     extensive testing on gasoline powered engines with catalytic 
     converters before they would approve an engine for sale here.  

     Under EPA rules at the time, a car could be run on propane with out 
     adding the catalyst and associated controls and testing requirements 
     were less extensive. 

     Whatever one may think about emissions from propane engines, I have 
     heard from reliable sources at the Morgan factory that they are happy 
     that Bill Fink/Isis Imports kept them in the US market with the 
     propane conversion before Rover re-entered the market with an approved 
     gasoline engine.

     --Steve Manwell
     smanwell@xenergy.com
     '54 +4, '64 Rover 3 litre, '68 2000TC


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